There's always going be crazy ppl that are bad representatives for their institution or religion. I would much rather have a society that is critical, objective, and civil. A society free of lies and immorality. One where we can discuss the issues, instead of having a inflexible text or ideology that inexplicably decides what is moral. Fuck religion in the face.
How was them extermintating people nothing to do with atheism??????? The fact that they were exterminated because of their faith and religion being incompatible with their ideology shows it was Atheistic dogmatic based whether he likes it or not
@Paddy234 Do you honestly believe that only atheists were exterminated by Stalin? If so, you need to check out history. Stalin caused directly and indirectly the deaths of millions of Soviets due to his ridiculous industrial plans (led to famine) and people who just opposed him. Many opposed him for religious reasons but they weren't killed because he didn't believe in God. They were killed because Stalin was an asshole. Same with Hitler.
@paradigm71 Yes but it was his extreme secular ideolgie that was so hostile to religion. Their beliefs were pretty much illegalised as the State was God
@Paddy234 But it's not atheism that let to this. Their ideologies meant that the State was supreme but that's not part of atheist ideology because atheism doesn't have an ideology. Let me explain. Atheism is part of a communist ideology, just as North Carolina is part of the USA. But the USA isn't North Carolina just as communism does not equal atheism. Atheists can be any part of political spectrum, many are Libertarians. So the argument that atheism leads to nazism or communism is nonsensical.
@paradigm71 I never said it was but i'm stating that Marxism is an exclusively atheist based ideology in which we have seen such extreme violence against religious people. Yes it's not atheism that led to this but the same can be said for religions where power-mongers and war-mongers have misused it for their own gain
I agree with what you say now that you've put it this way. But there is nothing that says disbelieving in God will lead you to kill believers or others. Being a dictator may very well lead to that. Being a religious dictator makes it even more likely. Atheism isn't a philosophy. An atheist is simply somebody who doesn't believe in God. It alone does not have any ideology anymore than saying all people who don't believe in faeries share a philosophy.
@paradigm71 I agree but my point was to many militant atheists who say that Christianity is the cause of these tyrants is as false as saying that Atheism is the result of tyrants although i would suggest that Atheism itself produces a society of relativeism
@Paddy234 It may well be that the specific beliefs of individuals do not influence their actions, that those wishing to do harm would use any justification possible. That doesn't mean that their beliefs should be immune to criticism when they happen to be religious. If I were to deconvert an Islamic suicide bomber to atheism, and then he somehow found atheistic reasons to carry out his plan anyways, then I would just as earnestly try to stop him again.
What else are people who don't believe if not Atheists?! Theism requires you to actively believe in a god. If you aren't a Theist, you are an Atheist (without Theism). It doesn't have to necessarily imply anti-Theism.. this is the same as Amoral (without morals) and Immoral (against morals).
@marowak1337 Ah, the marvels of ethymological knowledge. I think your comment certainly points to how much society needs a complete education, it might not makes us better, but at least we wouldn't debates rooted in ignorance of the terms we speak of.
Small correction it only proves FURTHER that God is guilty of co-conspiring. Lets not forget (according to dogma), God's perpetuation of Hell/purgatory,God's hardening of pharoh;s heart, God sicking bears on children, God's ten plagues. You actually see satan doing very little compared to God in the bilbe (pretty funny if you ask me).
and also, there is one thing, look at how much more "entertaining" the atheists are than the Christians in this debate. rRichard and the other guy crack jokes, all i hear from the others is stale, boring arguments and the look of being slightly offended.
@GearsofFate101 At least with Richard Harries, I think he's just a bit annoyed at Dawkins' mischievousness in some of his answers. They are fairly close friends, so he probably thinks Dawkins isn't taking him seriously enough.
"I'm busy", f*cking love it :D
firestarr07 3 months ago 10
There's always going be crazy ppl that are bad representatives for their institution or religion. I would much rather have a society that is critical, objective, and civil. A society free of lies and immorality. One where we can discuss the issues, instead of having a inflexible text or ideology that inexplicably decides what is moral. Fuck religion in the face.
CookieWalka 5 months ago
Dr Seldon is charming man
xyoop 6 months ago
How was them extermintating people nothing to do with atheism??????? The fact that they were exterminated because of their faith and religion being incompatible with their ideology shows it was Atheistic dogmatic based whether he likes it or not
Paddy234 1 year ago
@Paddy234 Do you honestly believe that only atheists were exterminated by Stalin? If so, you need to check out history. Stalin caused directly and indirectly the deaths of millions of Soviets due to his ridiculous industrial plans (led to famine) and people who just opposed him. Many opposed him for religious reasons but they weren't killed because he didn't believe in God. They were killed because Stalin was an asshole. Same with Hitler.
paradigm71 1 year ago
@paradigm71 Yes but it was his extreme secular ideolgie that was so hostile to religion. Their beliefs were pretty much illegalised as the State was God
Paddy234 1 year ago
@Paddy234 But it's not atheism that let to this. Their ideologies meant that the State was supreme but that's not part of atheist ideology because atheism doesn't have an ideology. Let me explain. Atheism is part of a communist ideology, just as North Carolina is part of the USA. But the USA isn't North Carolina just as communism does not equal atheism. Atheists can be any part of political spectrum, many are Libertarians. So the argument that atheism leads to nazism or communism is nonsensical.
paradigm71 1 year ago
@paradigm71 I never said it was but i'm stating that Marxism is an exclusively atheist based ideology in which we have seen such extreme violence against religious people. Yes it's not atheism that led to this but the same can be said for religions where power-mongers and war-mongers have misused it for their own gain
Paddy234 1 year ago
I agree with what you say now that you've put it this way. But there is nothing that says disbelieving in God will lead you to kill believers or others. Being a dictator may very well lead to that. Being a religious dictator makes it even more likely. Atheism isn't a philosophy. An atheist is simply somebody who doesn't believe in God. It alone does not have any ideology anymore than saying all people who don't believe in faeries share a philosophy.
paradigm71 1 year ago
@paradigm71 I agree but my point was to many militant atheists who say that Christianity is the cause of these tyrants is as false as saying that Atheism is the result of tyrants although i would suggest that Atheism itself produces a society of relativeism
Paddy234 1 year ago
@Paddy234 It may well be that the specific beliefs of individuals do not influence their actions, that those wishing to do harm would use any justification possible. That doesn't mean that their beliefs should be immune to criticism when they happen to be religious. If I were to deconvert an Islamic suicide bomber to atheism, and then he somehow found atheistic reasons to carry out his plan anyways, then I would just as earnestly try to stop him again.
TheNatealator 7 months ago
Regarding that women's question..
What else are people who don't believe if not Atheists?! Theism requires you to actively believe in a god. If you aren't a Theist, you are an Atheist (without Theism). It doesn't have to necessarily imply anti-Theism.. this is the same as Amoral (without morals) and Immoral (against morals).
marowak1337 2 years ago
@marowak1337 Ah, the marvels of ethymological knowledge. I think your comment certainly points to how much society needs a complete education, it might not makes us better, but at least we wouldn't debates rooted in ignorance of the terms we speak of.
JaguarEscarlata 1 year ago
Even if Hitler were an atheist, it only proves God guilty of co-conspiring his heinous acts.
9886635574 2 years ago
Small correction it only proves FURTHER that God is guilty of co-conspiring. Lets not forget (according to dogma), God's perpetuation of Hell/purgatory,God's hardening of pharoh;s heart, God sicking bears on children, God's ten plagues. You actually see satan doing very little compared to God in the bilbe (pretty funny if you ask me).
CGW129 2 years ago
Best part to be honest.
jay666KJ 2 years ago
and also, there is one thing, look at how much more "entertaining" the atheists are than the Christians in this debate. rRichard and the other guy crack jokes, all i hear from the others is stale, boring arguments and the look of being slightly offended.
GearsofFate101 2 years ago
@GearsofFate101 At least with Richard Harries, I think he's just a bit annoyed at Dawkins' mischievousness in some of his answers. They are fairly close friends, so he probably thinks Dawkins isn't taking him seriously enough.
bibhuna 3 months ago
Certain religions? Why not all religions that are vocal? Why can't we speak out against all Christians and not just the fundamental?
KellyMacCornmac 2 years ago
ok, the guy with the crazy hair (the other atheist) is pretty awesome, i like his comments.
GearsofFate101 2 years ago 7