Bezmenov said America is the last free nation on earth,and these comments reflect a bunch of demoralized brainwashed Americans. Let me tell you Americans if you want to remain that way get rid of these groups: Atheists, Conspiracy theorists, Communists(liberals), Hollywood, Black Panthers, KKK(White Nationalists), Anti-American Iegal/illegal Immigrants, Leftist Professors, Non Christian Religions, and Anti-Semites.Realize that American Christians are the Majority of this nation! Pray to Jesus!
Men hate God it is in our nature. Only the few actually come to that acceptance and then supernaturally give their life over to the Lord. The God hater continues to hate God and refuses to accept that he is wrong. And that is what rips apart societies. In the name of freedom the godless embrace their freedom to hate. I dont just idly say that God loves you. He really does, you just have to get over yourself to understand how and why He does.
Some people don't realize that NeoMarxist like ones from Frankfurt School had a huge impact on a western society, especialy in US. Slowly and step by step they perform silent revolution and just like Yuri said people didnt get it at all, they dont realize that revolution ever happened.Just look difference between one generation and you see, not to mention our parents or grandpas! I live in Serbia which is destabilized for more than 2 decades, all this things he says you can see here!
"Religion is the opiate of the masses.The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness." Karl Marx
Now, I wonder. Where does the CIA, "Illuminati" (or whatever it is), Zionists, etc, fit in all this??
I see this and i go, "Ok, then, its the soviets who are screwing us up.
Then i read about zionists, or evil jews who control (supposedly) 80 or 90% of our media, and i say, "Ok, is the evil jews".
Then i read about rockefeller and how he designed the education system to be an indoctrination, then about the freemasons and illuminati, who fucked the economic system, banks and all that.
Then about the CIA, who designed Al Quaeda, fake drug wars, etc. Yuri himself says in the other interview (i think) that he tried to tell the CIA about the KGB and some stuff, and they brush it off like they already know about it.
Then its the Rosicrucians, Club of Rome, White House Satanists who abuse children, The vatican fucking with our foods, etc.
Are they all together?? Are they fighting each other for the power??
@wonkerman4 i think that there are elites that control almost everything. the elites come under the category of illuminati etc etc. They are globalists and eugenicists. The want global government, in other words a centralized economy like yuri was saying. What is happening in Libya and the middle east is all staged by CIA. They put these leaders in then dispose of them. Its about global control. NO other explanation.
@SerotoninRush Yes, i know that. But did you read my question?? My question was: Are they all together? Are they against each other for the power?
I mean, where do we have to aim? Because you read about all these different factions and it leaves you thinking if you are aiming for the right "bad folks".... You know??
@wonkerman4 well I don't really go with anyone, I just try to lead my life away from anything like yuri has said in this lecture about how not to get sucked it. YOu can say this stuff doesnt happen well it does. I live in Australia, and im 17 and I can already see the effect what Yuri is talking about is having on society. What I am saying is this: Do you own research, dont take what the news says as fact follow it up. Only then will you find the truth...
@wonkerman4 the problem is we only get pieces of information. Mixed with the truth in front of us, is disinformation meant to conceal the truth in front of us. Remember, a tree is known by its fruit. That is really all we have to go with, and pray for discernment. Long story short, most of the stuff you listed is disinformation to confuse the real info in front of us.
Strangely enough, it all comes back to JC and God. Food for thought, no doubt. Just look at how liberals attack Christianity but very careful not to offend other religions and are blind to the bleedingly obvious evils of Islam and go out of their way to foster this death cult. Wake up, people!
Thank you HISTROIKA for uploading this. Well done.
@IBMua those religious figures were trying to low key "subvert" ppl with thier religions or Ideology. The Church wanted to "subvert" Galileo (and apparently everyone else) to thier ideas of science through thier religious ideas. Crusades are pretty much the same thing just with more violence and invasions. One could then go further to say that early Christian churches used these subversion techniques to "normalize" Christianity.
Alan Watt had a great point the way we can be subjected to all the things like T.S.A. at the airports, or RFID chips it all has its purpose but if we're sold that it will be beneficial to us then we gladly believe the propoganda. The Glen Becks, Bill O'Reillys, ect . If your not following the government programs: mandatory vaccines, CHIP technology, you will inevitably be considered a threat. Don't comply with t.s.a, thats fine they put your name as being a security threat, thats a fact.
So many of you are proving his point by Resolution through Conflict. Replace religion with spirituality if you like-it was 1985- but the concept remains the same. We are having our rights stripped of us in the name of Crisis- with 911-at such a remarkable speed now. That's how I woke up to it. They know that most of America is asleep and they are getting sloppy with the execution of their plan. Too obvious. Please don't argue over details ,we now know it's what we've been 'trained' to do.
I had one question though, say we were to bring back religion into this nation, don't you think people with bad intentions would use religion for their advantage and use it to control people for greed? Like look at people in the history saying they are "God sent" and make certain goods either forbidden or holy for example the cows in India. Look at kings in the past who say they are in power because of Divinism. So I'm very skeptical of that, wouldn't more freedom out of religion make more sense
This series was amazing... I am 16 years old Gr. 11 high school and I totally understand what he said and it has improved my wisdom and perception by far. I will share this when the time comes but obviously with the ignorance of my naive friends I cannot simply post this on facebook for friends to watch. Why? Waste of breath, it would get no views. I will e-mail this to some of my teachers though. AMAZING. Thank you Yuri Bezmenov.
It's all true. Research the New World Order. One of their objectives in order to gain control of the world is to destroy religion. But even they, the most powerful people on the planet use religion, apparently all the money in the world is not enough. They are devil worshipers. Their errand boys are all free masons. Tell me, what truth is there in human sacrifices and silly cults? But it gets the agenda moving. Open a mic recorder program, record "Yes we can" and select reverse, you should hear.
@0909sleeper I was born in 1954. I have seen every bit of his thesis happen. I always wondered why it looked so methodical. Now I know. Look at the current state of affairs. QED
@doughtymqan How can you say you know? You offer no proof and neither does Yuri. I'm inclined to believe that he was either short-sighted and a bit paranoid, or streching the bit of truth he did know from his training just to make a buck, or both of these things, (or just plain evil)!
I suspect that the events that surround us are the product of multiple competing conspiracies, human stupidity (not just cupidity), the occasional mishap and unpredictable bursts of sheer genius. Cheer up!
The French Revolution happened after decades of debauchery too. When people lose their morals they lose their relationship with God. The Western world is steeped in debauchery - Im no angel - but without doubt we are headed to the same fate as all civilizations that ended with terrible consequences. So instead of questioning whether hes lying or not why dont you read the plethora of independent scholarly works that back up everythiong he says and stop being so intellectually handicapped.
@0909sleeper Why dont you study ancient Rome and see how it was destroyed - Theres nothing revolutionary Bezmenov says here but its very well put together and ends perfectly with the point that when people lose God they lose everything and face total destruction. Solzhenitsyn said the Bolshevik Revolution happened "when people lost God.." - The Russian Revolution came about after a three decades of debauchery when brothels and boudoirs were opening on every street corner.
So the soloution to communist/socialist subversion is a religious counter-subversion/indoctrination? By the state on behalf of the poor, gullible people I guess? Seems that in his worldwiew people are tools and must be manipulated for their own good. I did not think that this was what America was all about, but they seem to love him.
When you come to grips with the same people who own the Central Bank in the United States actually funded and supported Marxist Lenin you can start connecting the dots and the world and what is happening today in the markets and in national politics is very, very scary.
I feel that he lays it all out pretty well. At the time even he could not be totally aware of all the details, because he was not really the one conducting the subversion action in this area. I'm sure the KGB but there best and brightest on subversion of America. Naturally they would have made certain adaptations on this model. The brilliant thing is that this could move under it's own weight at a certain point. If the Russians dropped it when everything "supposedly" ended.
4:36 found the book : google the socilaist phenomena its the one with RobertLstephens site and u can copy/paste the whole book. Than x agian hsitroika and Yuri
Somehow I have a feeling that he is hidding the true role and use of religion and spirituality in "subversion" techniques- but lets remember that even though he is an ex KGB Psycological Warfare expert, he is still just one atom in an infinite universe just like you and me.
This reminded me of a class I took (and was paid to take) for young Jewish people about Jewish culture. The whole time I was taught about how great Judaism is and how I should to embrace this part of my heritage. But the very last lesson was spent telling us that Jews are dying out and the most noble thing I could do was to marry a jew and have a million kids. Becoming Orthodox was a good idea too, I was told, because Orthodox Jews tend to have 5 children on average.
Even though I have a staunchly anti-marxist worldview, to hear this former KGB agent speak was still fascinating and eye-opening. It's strengthened and confirmed me in my beliefs. I have learned things today. God bless the man and thanks to Histroika for uploading this so the world can learn... whether mankind *wants* to learn, however, is another matter entirely...
What a powerful message... that God and Jesus Christ, figures that represent the best qualities and characteristics of all life, are the greatest tools to building a prosperous and moral society
Yuri Bezmenov is talking about spirituality and real spirituality is not contained ONLY by the church teachings. However Christian teaching are a good start in building a moral code, which is not a bad thing in itself. But this is only common sense. Anyway, thank you for this video. Everything he sad is correct. And related to the religion and wars: the vast majority of wars were for territorial gains and religion was just a tool. It's stupid to hate the tool and not the person handling it.
3:06 most real scientists are those ppl. They give up the chance of feeding several children for that. Naturally they are minority in scienific society.
Great series, notice the number of views dropped throughout. The last two were probably the most interesting and a loss for those who could not hang to the end. I like how he exlains the history and the psychology used for thousands of years and how it has only been refined to the current day as the use of propagand and ideological subversion. The amazing part is the forshadowing of current events.
@Tirbrath Very insightful comment. A big problem resides, however, in understanding (if that be the appropriate term) what "God" is, or perhaps what "God" can be. I know that when such a perception/comprehension/experience does come, it is a flash of lightning, a Gestalt shock that re-organizes the entire mind in subtle ways. That is true religion: no dogma, no doctrine, just direct experience. What he says we need is a religion that is "true enough" to act as a counter balance to materialism.
I must say - I find this very intriguing & eye-opening. I admire his intelligence...but...just a thot -
Would I be wrong to say d@ he is intelligently practising d art of ideological subversion???
Man by default is ideological, and sadly, we will always have a world where one tries to impose his own ideals on another."Democracy is simply the imposition of the majority's ideals on the minority".
There can only be true peace when we all can constructively compromise...safe to say - Never!..:(
spirituality is when moral values are more important for you than material ones.
religion - institution to organize and educate people into spiritual mindset (I'm not telling that it is doing it's job perfectly, but it is what it supposed to do).
The Successful Subversion of America By Progressives is Almost Complete.
SEE ww (dot) plp (dot) org
LOS ANGELES, March 4 — Today several hundred students rallied and sat in at UCLAs administration building, backing the state-wide March 4th day of action against education cut-backs...organizing for it exposed the cuts to the state budget and public education as being essentially racist, since they disproportionately affect low-income working-class black and Latino students the most.
This is the most comprehensive and the simplest explanation of subversion strategy I have ever seen and heard. And my thanks to Yuri Bezmenov for making this lecture.
...he says this as if "religion" is not an "institution" easy to manipulate... religion is a tool... as media is.. he made some there maybe strong or maybe weak... but... there will always be someone who would say... let`s gather some money from the church... to make it bigger, more beautiful...
Isn`t this what he said about those ads... it looks the same to me...
@Silver925night kinda. to me spirituality is inherent in human existence. we all have different levels and ideas of spirituality. religion is the organizations that seem to do more to corrupt that spirituality than protect and nurture it. Don't let human beings shortcomings destroy your connection with the Divine nature of the universe, whatever that may be to you. Like Yuri says, it's really the only way we can win this struggle.
@DoctorSess I completely agree with you. Religion is man made, a set of rules aimed at subversing people through fear of condemnation and consequence by not obeying rules, laws and statutes. Spirituality involves fear in a reverant, obedient and appreciative manner. To be in awe of something much greater than ones self. Admiration, respect and contentment represent spirituality. Fear mongering, guilt and shame represent religion.
The point Bezmenov was trying to make was that a nation under God ( "spirit" as the prime mover) is more protected from being contaminated by foreign ideas, especially the commie efforts to demoralize and destabilize the country. So if you restrain yourself from buying into commie lies because of God's sake, and you are firm in your decision, you are much less likely to buy into lies, since you respect God and your nation too much to compromise morality and values that make it sovereign.
@RKarshenas I suppose in theory that logic is sound, but the reality is that there exists so much room for exploitation. one has no further to look than the us of a which once had a dominant christian population. Still many Christians exist but that is being eroded away. Look at the countries history, and where they are at today. They're in my opinion the most hoodwinked people on the planet. I dont think you can simply say religion is the key and that is all. if anything knowledge is the key
If all you're about is reason, logic, etc., then you are a good target for manipulation. Why? Because reason / logic vulnerable to interpretation (subjectivity) and manipulation / propagandization. The simple belief that there is one creator, we are special, etc. etc. does what harm to the individual and society? It does none. What it does do is what RKarshenas expressed in the above comment(read it carefully). Tell what bad these simple, basic beliefs do, and substantiate what you say.
make people think it is ok to blow them selfs up and take other people with them!! cause lots of wars!! combat science combat reality and oppress groups of people like gays and women if they follow the old testament!! anyone who believes something with out any proof seems easer to manipulate look at the level of control all the other religions
You just made his point. Muslims, I am sure that is who you are talking about, are very successful in resisting subversion of their society and also very successful at subverting western liberal society. Both communists and muslims are exploiting the absence or weakness of the religion in the targeted societies. initially they did that with Byzantium and now with Europe. They still call Europe the Roman Empire.
@regresseur Wrong. Reason and logic are not subjective, that is completely pathological. Logic is OBJECTIVE by definition. Emotions are subjective, and if you aren't logical, you are emotional, and emotions are the easiest thing to manipulate.
What one person considers logical another person might not. Real people in the real world don't care about hard definitions, unlike Word Warriors on the Internet, who are consistently detached from (and thus forget to factor in that thing called) reality. These things are the reason why things like instinct (which is based out of emotion) are important. It's not thru a logical process or reasoning that I can recogniz that multiculturalism leads to the breakdown of society.
@regresseur Actually there is only one logic. Instinct is only helpfull if you're in the forrest about to be raped by a tiger. The people who "don't have the real logic"-as you say-are the people who are using instinct. And it's what's screwing up the world.
Logic and reason is what gave you that computer, the internet and possibly saved your life inplicitly a trillion times over. It's too bad that you didn't use reasoning to get to your conclusions. You were lucky. But maybe not so next time.
Let me put it to you this way: It's not through instinct that baby boys' penises are mutilated. It's not through instinct that perfectly healthy women with perfectly healthy budding life inside of them are willing to destroy that life. It's not through instinct that wars are started, and countless innocent persons murdered as a result.
Ironically, it is instinct that lends itself to the preservation of life. First oneself, and then one's "own" (family and friends).
@regresseur Reason evolved and what happened, happened. I obviously don't condone primitive immoral behaviour... I do concede that some defective reasoning must have been used to get there... BUT! That's exactly why we have to use more (actual) logic and reasoning.
What kind of instinct is there in genital mutilation? The instinct of the poeople being mutilated to oppose etc. But what instinct is there with the people doing it? None. Culture is fully integrated. It must evolve further...no?
While I wasn't as open with you... your comments didn't make much sense to me either. Your previous comments about "instinct over rationality". So I respond as best I can... Faulty logic can lead to fucked up behaviour. But instinct is just an animalistic response to an even in the present... So WTF am I supposed to say?
You shouldn't respond to something that you don't understand. Instead, you should come up with some questions to ask that person so that you can understand. Wouldn't that be the logical thing to do?
"Faulty logic can lead to fucked up behaviour."
Like yours.
"But instinct is just an animalistic response to an even in the present... So WTF am I supposed to say?"
Nothing, because you make no sense, which the above comment exemplifies perfectly.
@regresseur I see.So you are going to play games with me and turn this out to be some sort of egomaniacal bolstering on your part.
If this is so to prove that instinct...such as that of playing the alpha male,will win the argument by patronising the other party...I applaud your art.It certainly shows how somebody could believe logic is inadequate when brute power can just claim victory outright. An obvious logical fallacy.
If you're just being an ass though. You aren't fit to critique society.
You basically stated that instinct is only valuable in situations where one's life is on the line ("you're in the woods about to be raped by a tiger" ... good example, by the way... ). I replied and told you why instinct is far more valuable than you think, why reason and logic are overrated and at times even dangerous, and I gave examples. You did not address any of that direclty, but rather replied with highly metaphorical irrelevance that no human could possibly decipher.
@regresseur 1) Well fine.I debated about reason as pure theory.We both agree it get's overrated-which in my view means misunderstood.As far as instinct goes...it is a purely physical event, soon to be disected by science.So in an age where previously held ideals are getting shattered to bits,one simply won't have an excuse to invoke instinct as something worthy to use next to actual reasoning. You may claim this is only Internet Word Warrior BS.But without this BS we'll stagnate intellectualy.
@regresseur What is metaphorical here?Reason is a concept.You want to present it pragmatically and then show its faults and "dangers".
You, without any evidence I might add, start your own metaphorical rambling about the usefulness of instinct. (Where is it useful? If my instinct is to burn homeless people with cigarettes, how is that an advance for society?)
Geez. Now I guess I was wrong, again. You simply aren't capable of comprehending anything beyond your narrow rhetorical filter.
"my instinct is to burn homeless people with cigarettes"
Then you have some serious mental problems.
"Reason is a concept."
It's also a process, e.g. "a process of reasoning that brought me to my conclusion." It's through a process of reasoning (and perhaps even logic in cases where decisions are made based on hard data) that wars are started. Wars are not started because someone "just feels like invading a country today and wiping out countless innocence," i.e.ActingOut of insinct
"Then you have some serious mental problems." Please stop this personal attack nonsense. Concentrate on the actual issue. What a hypocrite you are... "Wars are not started because someone "just feels like invading a country today and wiping out countless innocence,"
After 9/11 we didn't see an investigation. We didn't see CIA or FBI sending their assasins to deal with the problem. We saw millions of americans thirsty for blood and blind to reason. Thanks to instinct.
Looking back in the comments you have personally attacked me as well, so just stop the bullshit already. Personally attack me back if you like (because I couldn't care less and I'm not going to cry about it like you do,'cause I'm a big boy).
"Concentrate on the actual issue."
Make arguments, not worthlessness that both wastes time and space and puts me on the defensive thus compelling me to waste further time and space in response.
@regresseur 1) "so just stop the bullshit already.... " Please stop talking nonsense and stop this hypocracy. If you actually were a big boy you wouldn't have responded to that comment. You obviously must defend your ego and that hardly shows you don't cry over my comment. Even if it's a metaphorical cry.
"Make arguments" Please stop there useless responses. I've made lots of arguments. You just can't see beyond your limited "instinct and emotions are awesome" ideology.
If by "ego" you mean "the positions you take on these issues," then yes, you're correct.
"You just can't see beyond your limited 'instinct and emotions are awesome' ideology."
Did you just imply that emotions are of little value to you, or something like that? Because that would be hilarious, though it would make sense given your leftist leanings. But anyway, yes, instinct and emotions ARE awesome. Perhaps you should get some.
"After 9/11... we saw millions of americans thirsty for blood and blind to reason. Thanks to instinct."
Not thanks to instinct, thanks to THE MEDIA. But more importantly, there's a word for what you're describing: irrationality. I'm sorry, but you don't get to conflate the two. People "thirsty for blood" and "blind to reason," as you say, on 9/11, was people being irrational. An example of someone being instinctual here would be a person hurrying to help someone w/o thinking 1st.
@regresseur 1b) Again you cherry pick an event to defend your ideology. You can't break a system at a link you don't want to defend. Yes, thanks to the media.... If people were rational they wouldn't eat up the propaganda. Ergo, actual rationality over emotional irrationality. They didn't see through the media because their instinct told them otherwise.
...Yes and after helping the wounded, the instinct was anger and "lets kill them all". But you won't place that where it belongs.
Regarding the talk about Western Society: You conceded, so no need to go on about this.
Your latest comments: Lots of irrelevance, speculating about my "true" intentions and "my methods" for arguing, etc. More of you avoiding directly addressing my initial comments (the only thing that really mattered in the first place).
"Sorry to upset you"
You haven't.
Your comments continue to make very little sense, e.g. "turn this out to be some sort of egomaniacal bolstering on your part."
@regresseur 2) Well it was "sort of egomaniacal bolstering and cynicism on my part". And you seem to have understood it quite well. The outburst was only an instinctual (hoho) response at a perceived patronisation on your part. It made no sense why you seemed bent on presenting me as a complete fuckup, just because I don't see things the same as you...other than egoism. Well I don't have that attitude, I'm more of a pussy - so maybe that's why I see it as an attack.
Stop talking about things that don't matter. Go back to my first reply to you after you engaged me and come up with a coherent response. Everything you're going on about now are arguments over things that were started later in the conversation, by you, for no good reason, and that are not at all relevant to what we were talking about in the beginning. Essentially you're arguing about arguments that you started, probably to because you couldn't handle staying on topic.
@regresseur I read the first reply. And it's utter nonsense-This is your grand argument? You've picked a few examples where you tink instinct is useful.Great for you.I've put aside genital mutilation already. As far as abortion is concerned... what about the instinct to have sex? What about the consequence of that instinct eg: overpopultaion, starvation, death by horrible disease etc. How is the instinct against abortion useful?How about the reason and logic one could use to fix the problems?
Instinct as useful in preventing a mother from allowing herself to be propagandized into letting someone mutilate her baby's genitals is not a matter of thinking, it's a matter of knowing. The same is true for the other examples I gave. Sex, overpopulation and the consequences thereof are not relevant to, per se, whether instinct is valuable in helping a mother decide not to needlessly destroy the life inside of her.
@regresseur 2) "instinct as useful in preventing a mother from allowing herself to be propagandized..." And why do you think they do mutilate genitals? Is it because of their experts on reason and medicine? No they do it out of instinct. They identify themselves with the culture and its practices. If you come to tell them GM is stupid and immoral, they'll shun you because it's their culture.
Overpopulation isn't relevant? Well yes it is. If you were a bit more rational about it, you'd see why.
"And why do you think they do mutilate genitals? Is it because of their experts on reason and medicine?
They don't have to be experts on anything of the sort because it's common practice for hospitals to give new parents information regarding circumcision before they're to decide on whether they want it performed on their child, you ingrate.
"No they do it out of instinct."
The problem here is that you conflate "instinct" with everything from sliced bread to military operations.
@regresseur 2a) You didn't elaborate why I'm an ingrate...And your lecture on hospital procedure doesn't have anything to do with us. It only shows irrationality. ...What about some tribe and female genital mutilation.
I conflate instinct with "everything" because you treat it as some incredibly useful concept. I already said what Instinct was, and it's animalistic and primitive. A synonim for unconscious thought processes. I can't believe you keep defending it by attacking "rational" thougth.
First I'll correct myself: What I should've said was "ignoramus." You said the mothers of newborns aren't experts on reason and medicine (this was revolving around the circumcision issue) in a "Gotcha!" tone; I then told you they don't have to be because they're provided with the information they need to make a so-called "informed decision." Why I need to "elaborate" on the names I call you is beyond me. Pointless as usual.
"I conflate instinct with 'everything' because you treat it as some incredibly useful concept."
That's not a reason, that's a bullshit excuse. But thanks for effectively admitting that 99% of every single thing you've been arguing was on the back of a critical misconception.
"They identify themselves with the culture and its practices."
I agree. What's that got to do with instinct? Answer: Nothing.
"Overpopulation isn't relevant? Well yes it is."
Overpopulation is not relevant to the value instinct has in preventing a mother from needlessly destroying the life inside of her. I'm just repeating myself of course, but that is what happens when people reply with, "You are wrong because you are wrong."
@regresseur 2b) It's got everything to do with instinct. It's unconscious, irrational, instinctual. Most identify with groups, not because they've thought it through, but because they need to feel accepted. Feel is the keyword, it's an instinct to conform. Don't turn this into semantics.
"Overpopulation is not relevant to the value instinct has " And this is exactly the filter I was talking about -> Rinse and repeat. Overpopulation is relevant because it's instinct that leads to it. Damn.
Read no. 2 in the list in my previous comment. Your "job" after I had introduced that totally new, unrelated-to-anything-we-were-going-on-about-before idea was simply to agree, disagree or ignore it, and if either 1 or 2, follow up with your reasons. Instead of talking about instinct in regards to my comment about abortion, you introduced overpopulation and a couple other things into the mix, and went on from there. That's why I keep telling you: IRRELEVANT.
"what about the instinct to have sex? What about the consequence of that instinct eg: overpopultaion, starvation, death by horrible disease etc."
If you want to argue based on possible consequences, then I could argue that you shouldn't ever get in a car and drive anywhere because it's POSSIBLE that your car might start on fire and explode. That's how stupid and petty your argument is. We don't NOT do things because of what COULD happen as a result. Don't eat or you might choke!
@regresseur 2) Please stop your metaphorical rambling...
We don't worry about our car exploding because science (logic and mathematics) give a very low probability of it exploding. Millions of starving children is a fact... Not a "far out" possibility.
"We don't NOT do things because of what COULD happen as a result."
WTF? Yes we do NOT do thing because of what could happen. We do not not test drugs for that reason. We do not not do a million things because of COULD and Would's.
"We don't worry about our car exploding because science (logic and mathematics) give a very low probability of it exploding. Millions of starving children is a fact... Not a 'far out' possibility."
You were arguing based on possible consequences. I used this same kind of argumentation to argue against driving cars, to show you how bad your argument was. None of what I quoted here changes anything; arguing based on "what could happen" is fallacious, stupid and wrong.
@regresseur 3a) Well I bet you'd think so. Apparently we should just do things instinctually. Overpopulation, starvation etc. is a fact. Not a possible consequence. Especially when rationality is shunned. And "What could happen" isn't fallacious when that could approaces a P of 100% with time.Neither would it be fallacious otherwise.More hypocrisy. Just one comment ago you blamed me for saying "you're wrong, you're wrong". You did it right here. Unsubstantiated BS.
"We don't worry about our car exploding because science (logic and mathematics) give a very low probability of it exploding."
Interestingly, I've never seen this science you refer to. Have you? Has anyone? It's interesting, even more so, because not only have the vast majority of us not seen this science, but it's not through a process of reasoning that we're able to get in our cars and drive without fear of them exploding... so could it be... INSTINCT?
@regresseur 3b) Contrary to your apparent beleif, I never said this should be a war instinct vs. rationality. I conceded faulty reasoning exist, I conceded instinct can be benificial. What I did say is that being "all about reason" is better. Yes we go into our cars just like sheep and drive them. So what? Are you saying that's a good thing? Scarry
The science that stops our cars from exploding is inherent in the design. As far as theory goes, you can check statistics on spontaneous explosions.
"WTF? Yes we do NOT do thing because of what could happen. We do not not test drugs for that reason. We do not not do a million things because of COULD and Would's."
Clearly I was wrong there. Fortunately for me it was a standalone statement that nothing else I've said depends on. Basic logical mix up, as to have been expected so late at night and deep into a debate.
Instinct doesn't tell people to invade countries and slaughter people. A process of reasoning (and as I stated before, sometimes logic, where data is involved) does.
Instinct and abortion: Through a process of reasoning a woman decides to get an abortion. Abortion is immoral when it entails the needless destruction of life. A woman's instinct tells her not to get an abortion, which in most cases is the moral thing to do.
@regresseur 3) Hitler didn't massacre his fellow human beings after nights of restles reasoning.He did it out of blinding emotions,and the instincts of the people were to go with the flow.The same with many other wars.They only happened because people went with the flow (out of instinct).Rational people would stop this.
I can't believe you were so arrogant all the time, when your whole arguments are based on cherry picking and blaming logic. And you lectured me on nonsense metaphors, please...
"Hitler didn't massacre his fellow human beings after nights of restles reasoning.He did it out of blinding emotions "
If you don't think any conscious planning went into the things he and his soldiers did then you're a total moron. Hitler did what he did because he had severe mental problems as a result of childhood traumas and because he was politically brainwashed and indoctrinated during his youth. Oh ya, and he happened to be a talented speaker, which didn't hurt.
"and the instincts of the people were to go with the flow."
Um, do you use just use any opportunity to inject the word "instinct" to try to make it seem like it's a bad thing, even when doing so doesn't make sense? Hitler had the German people hugging his nuts because of a combination of the country being in a demoralized, directionless, functionally leaderless and otherwise fucked up state at the time, and being the right person in the right place... at the right time.
@regresseur "needless destruction" If a person decides to get an abortion is hardly needless.And it's hardly immoral if the "life" isn't conscious.And again,a woman wouldn't get pregnant without the instinct to have sex,or without the instinct of a rapist to rape.An actual rational person wouldn't get to this point.
You see what I'm talking about. You take a complex system of human socio/psychology,cherry pick a specific event and blame it on reasoning.(While overlooking instinct and emotions)
"If a person decides to get an abortion is hardly needless."
Nice fallacy. If a woman decides to get an abortion that doesn't necessarily mean that she had to, PERIOD. My statement is truth, and truth resonates... bullshit like the above quote does not.
"And it's hardly immoral if the 'life' isn't conscious."
Interesting use of quotation marks and lack of certainty in your wording. More to the point: Needless destruction of life is always immoral.
As I've expressed in previous comments, pointing out that there is only 1 kind of logic is a moot point because I was talking in terms of the average person's perception of what logic is, or more specifically, what is "logical." The average person considers many things "logical" that in actuality have little or nothing to do with logic at all.
@regresseur The beliefs,which are Bronze age mythologies are a great excuse for people who can't think for themselves. Sure the Taliban are doing great. Their religion makes them go forward...but to what end? They will always be immoral, primitive idiots. A western, reason based society will be half way to Betelgeuse by the time they start thinkng twice before stoning women to "please the gods".
So if life is about surviving,be reasonable. If not, jump of a cliff and try to fly using instinct.
Western, "reason-based" societies may not stone their women, but apparently they have no problem carpet bombing entire cities and murdering countless people in foreign countries for no good reason. I guess it's okay but only when the killing reaches into the hundreds of thousands, or more, and only when it happens by explosive and by proxy, and only when you don't actually see what's going on because your only real sources of information on such things keep it hidden from you.
@regresseur And I never said I consider the average westerner some sort of enlightened logician; neither do I see the general western society like that- HaHa! Far, far from anything I'd consider rational. People are to be found just as fucked up everywhere. So I don't "take responsibility" to be apologetic over carpet bombing, or media propaganda.
@regresseur My point is that I have to say that, since I see no other reason for you to be lecturing me, other than the possibility you believe I hold those views.
Sorry. I misused the "western rationality"... by that I mean logic, science, humanism etc. Not some normalized behaviour of western countries.
"What's that got to do with anything" My humblest apologies. Sorry to upset you, but for the reason I said that, I refer you to the first paragraph of this comment.
Countries like the US take their "regular, systematic killing of innocent persons" to other countries, where they do far more of it, in far less time, with far more efficiency, just as little reason, if not less, and less emotion to top it off. Don't bother trying to claim moral superiority for Western Society, because that's simply ridiculous and exposes your own disconnect from reality.
Political Correctness, a.k.a. Cultural Marxism, is something that comes to mind when Bezmenov describes subversion of society. And all the events and transformations which shook America and the Western World during the 60's and 70's; the Hippie Culture, the Civil Rights Movement, the Feminist movement, the Sex, Drugs and Rock & Roll culture, and indeed in later years, the adoption of artificial terms such as "equality" and "solidarity" into political life. God, save us all from the beast.
i found this whole video to be very interesting and true, what he says can be applied to our today.
stop subversion is to believe and live with less,unplug tv, consume less and accept ur working wage. i agree with his statement on this and i do this anyway.
left,right,democrat,republican,marxist-leninist,liberal etc is all inorder to DEVIDE & CONQUER . what matters is the ideologies and practices of the individuals/parties.
The BNP is for bringing in non-Whites to rape your White women and destroy your cities, just like every other party! If Brits don't stop supporting nonsense like the BNP your country will be a Muslim and non-White shithole with Whites dead or enslaved. Forget the BNP, support the Insurgent and save the White race!
Big picture indicates subversion comes from the communist left and the fascist right. Anthony Sutton documented how Wall Street funded the communist soviet union, who was "our ally"[?!} against the Nazis. These "modern" movements are much older - and when you trace the Fabian society, Oxford movement, Illuminati, freemasony, etc ... you end up at the door of the Catholic Jesuits.
The solution is not mere "religion," but genuine salvation and true King James Bible Christianity.
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Bezmenov said America is the last free nation on earth,and these comments reflect a bunch of demoralized brainwashed Americans. Let me tell you Americans if you want to remain that way get rid of these groups: Atheists, Conspiracy theorists, Communists(liberals), Hollywood, Black Panthers, KKK(White Nationalists), Anti-American Iegal/illegal Immigrants, Leftist Professors, Non Christian Religions, and Anti-Semites.Realize that American Christians are the Majority of this nation! Pray to Jesus!
stopcommunistmedia 1 month ago
Men hate God it is in our nature. Only the few actually come to that acceptance and then supernaturally give their life over to the Lord. The God hater continues to hate God and refuses to accept that he is wrong. And that is what rips apart societies. In the name of freedom the godless embrace their freedom to hate. I dont just idly say that God loves you. He really does, you just have to get over yourself to understand how and why He does.
psycofloyd 5 months ago
@psycofloyd Please go back to the stone age & shut up you death worshiping moron
doughtymqan 5 months ago
@doughtymqan why?
psycofloyd 5 months ago
Some people don't realize that NeoMarxist like ones from Frankfurt School had a huge impact on a western society, especialy in US. Slowly and step by step they perform silent revolution and just like Yuri said people didnt get it at all, they dont realize that revolution ever happened.Just look difference between one generation and you see, not to mention our parents or grandpas! I live in Serbia which is destabilized for more than 2 decades, all this things he says you can see here!
vlazke 6 months ago 2
"Religion is the opiate of the masses.The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness." Karl Marx
Supenmanu 6 months ago
@MrAaronSIlver - its' also a natural human instinct, and a very useful thing for social cohesion (unity).
willyrobinson 7 months ago
Summary:
He was a KGB agent and he defected.
Then he went to Canada and USA and started preaching how religion can save America.
Can I stop here?
jesuslimabb 7 months ago
@jesuslimabb He speaks reason, never the less. My country was subverted in my lifetime, and I can say that all of this is true.
RabMaksim 4 months ago
This guy is a mouth piece for Ronald Reagan and his conservatism.
o0POSH0o 8 months ago
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willyrobinson 7 months ago
reagan's gov was doing much of what he was criticizing.
willyrobinson 7 months ago
Do google for Igor Shafarevich - "The Socialist Phenomenon" (I found it freely as PDF and consider it a very instructive reading)
schmoukiz 9 months ago
Now, I wonder. Where does the CIA, "Illuminati" (or whatever it is), Zionists, etc, fit in all this??
I see this and i go, "Ok, then, its the soviets who are screwing us up.
Then i read about zionists, or evil jews who control (supposedly) 80 or 90% of our media, and i say, "Ok, is the evil jews".
Then i read about rockefeller and how he designed the education system to be an indoctrination, then about the freemasons and illuminati, who fucked the economic system, banks and all that.
wonkerman4 10 months ago
@wonkerman4
... And i forgot, they also designed the wars.
Then about the CIA, who designed Al Quaeda, fake drug wars, etc. Yuri himself says in the other interview (i think) that he tried to tell the CIA about the KGB and some stuff, and they brush it off like they already know about it.
Then its the Rosicrucians, Club of Rome, White House Satanists who abuse children, The vatican fucking with our foods, etc.
Are they all together?? Are they fighting each other for the power??
wonkerman4 10 months ago
@wonkerman4
Does somebody know??
wonkerman4 10 months ago
@wonkerman4 i think that there are elites that control almost everything. the elites come under the category of illuminati etc etc. They are globalists and eugenicists. The want global government, in other words a centralized economy like yuri was saying. What is happening in Libya and the middle east is all staged by CIA. They put these leaders in then dispose of them. Its about global control. NO other explanation.
SerotoninRush 10 months ago
@SerotoninRush Yes, i know that. But did you read my question?? My question was: Are they all together? Are they against each other for the power?
I mean, where do we have to aim? Because you read about all these different factions and it leaves you thinking if you are aiming for the right "bad folks".... You know??
wonkerman4 10 months ago
@wonkerman4 well I don't really go with anyone, I just try to lead my life away from anything like yuri has said in this lecture about how not to get sucked it. YOu can say this stuff doesnt happen well it does. I live in Australia, and im 17 and I can already see the effect what Yuri is talking about is having on society. What I am saying is this: Do you own research, dont take what the news says as fact follow it up. Only then will you find the truth...
SerotoninRush 10 months ago
@wonkerman4 the problem is we only get pieces of information. Mixed with the truth in front of us, is disinformation meant to conceal the truth in front of us. Remember, a tree is known by its fruit. That is really all we have to go with, and pray for discernment. Long story short, most of the stuff you listed is disinformation to confuse the real info in front of us.
joejohnson043 8 months ago
Strangely enough, it all comes back to JC and God. Food for thought, no doubt. Just look at how liberals attack Christianity but very careful not to offend other religions and are blind to the bleedingly obvious evils of Islam and go out of their way to foster this death cult. Wake up, people!
Thank you HISTROIKA for uploading this. Well done.
RIP Yuri Bezmenov
muzzster1970 10 months ago
3:30 What about Galileo Galilei and others who died and suffered because of religion? He's got a point, but he didn't see the whole perspective here.
IBMua 11 months ago
@IBMua those religious figures were trying to low key "subvert" ppl with thier religions or Ideology. The Church wanted to "subvert" Galileo (and apparently everyone else) to thier ideas of science through thier religious ideas. Crusades are pretty much the same thing just with more violence and invasions. One could then go further to say that early Christian churches used these subversion techniques to "normalize" Christianity.
KingLeoShinda 9 months ago
@KingLeoShinda nice try, but sorry, we're not all Useful Idiots here......
joejohnson043 8 months ago
@joejohnson043 lol I kno it was just an interesting thought
KingLeoShinda 8 months ago
I want to buy his books, where can I find them please. Someone message me if knows more about this man.
FarhadTv 11 months ago
@FarhadTv no shit i want his fuckng books
SerotoninRush 10 months ago
Alan Watt had a great point the way we can be subjected to all the things like T.S.A. at the airports, or RFID chips it all has its purpose but if we're sold that it will be beneficial to us then we gladly believe the propoganda. The Glen Becks, Bill O'Reillys, ect . If your not following the government programs: mandatory vaccines, CHIP technology, you will inevitably be considered a threat. Don't comply with t.s.a, thats fine they put your name as being a security threat, thats a fact.
blindtimes 1 year ago
So many of you are proving his point by Resolution through Conflict. Replace religion with spirituality if you like-it was 1985- but the concept remains the same. We are having our rights stripped of us in the name of Crisis- with 911-at such a remarkable speed now. That's how I woke up to it. They know that most of America is asleep and they are getting sloppy with the execution of their plan. Too obvious. Please don't argue over details ,we now know it's what we've been 'trained' to do.
clearandlucid 1 year ago
2+2=4
affenjunge1000 1 year ago
Wow Material! 5 stars!! Would watch again
jkepic25 1 year ago
1 of the most interesting video i've ever seen. this man is so brilliant
longlife2u 1 year ago
I had one question though, say we were to bring back religion into this nation, don't you think people with bad intentions would use religion for their advantage and use it to control people for greed? Like look at people in the history saying they are "God sent" and make certain goods either forbidden or holy for example the cows in India. Look at kings in the past who say they are in power because of Divinism. So I'm very skeptical of that, wouldn't more freedom out of religion make more sense
BeAnBeAn22 1 year ago
This series was amazing... I am 16 years old Gr. 11 high school and I totally understand what he said and it has improved my wisdom and perception by far. I will share this when the time comes but obviously with the ignorance of my naive friends I cannot simply post this on facebook for friends to watch. Why? Waste of breath, it would get no views. I will e-mail this to some of my teachers though. AMAZING. Thank you Yuri Bezmenov.
BeAnBeAn22 1 year ago
How can we know he's not duping us? He admits to having lied for a living. Or was that a lie too?
0909sleeper 1 year ago 2
It's all true. Research the New World Order. One of their objectives in order to gain control of the world is to destroy religion. But even they, the most powerful people on the planet use religion, apparently all the money in the world is not enough. They are devil worshipers. Their errand boys are all free masons. Tell me, what truth is there in human sacrifices and silly cults? But it gets the agenda moving. Open a mic recorder program, record "Yes we can" and select reverse, you should hear.
TheyLiveWeStillSleep 1 year ago
@0909sleeper I was born in 1954. I have seen every bit of his thesis happen. I always wondered why it looked so methodical. Now I know. Look at the current state of affairs. QED
doughtymqan 1 year ago
@doughtymqan How can you say you know? You offer no proof and neither does Yuri. I'm inclined to believe that he was either short-sighted and a bit paranoid, or streching the bit of truth he did know from his training just to make a buck, or both of these things, (or just plain evil)!
I suspect that the events that surround us are the product of multiple competing conspiracies, human stupidity (not just cupidity), the occasional mishap and unpredictable bursts of sheer genius. Cheer up!
Regards
0909sleeper 1 year ago 2
@0909sleeper
by use of your intuition. thats how. I think hes being sincere here and what he says makes a lot of sense.
dickmoe99 1 year ago
@0909sleeper
by use of your intuition. thats how. I think hes being sincere here and what he says makes a lot of sense.
dickmoe99 1 year ago
@dickmoe99 the earth being flat makes a lot of sense too. intuition = wishful thinking
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dickmoe99 1 year ago
@0909sleeper
wishful thinking ? really now? thats a stretch
dickmoe99 1 year ago
@0909sleeper Youre the very epitome of why a democracy leads to tyranny. Youre an idiot.
tiarnan76 1 year ago
@tiarnan76 Wow! is that so? LOL! You're the gullible idiot here. Think for yourself!
0909sleeper 1 year ago
The French Revolution happened after decades of debauchery too. When people lose their morals they lose their relationship with God. The Western world is steeped in debauchery - Im no angel - but without doubt we are headed to the same fate as all civilizations that ended with terrible consequences. So instead of questioning whether hes lying or not why dont you read the plethora of independent scholarly works that back up everythiong he says and stop being so intellectually handicapped.
tiarnan76 1 year ago
@tiarnan76 There are NO GAURANTEES. This too shall pass. Cheer up!
0909sleeper 1 year ago 2
@0909sleeper Why dont you study ancient Rome and see how it was destroyed - Theres nothing revolutionary Bezmenov says here but its very well put together and ends perfectly with the point that when people lose God they lose everything and face total destruction. Solzhenitsyn said the Bolshevik Revolution happened "when people lost God.." - The Russian Revolution came about after a three decades of debauchery when brothels and boudoirs were opening on every street corner.
tiarnan76 1 year ago
@0909sleeper why would he lie?
j19527 10 months ago
@0909sleeper
Really...
bobthechipmonk 9 months ago
Greatest lecture I have ever heard on any topic
unclearimage 1 year ago
So the soloution to communist/socialist subversion is a religious counter-subversion/indoctrination? By the state on behalf of the poor, gullible people I guess? Seems that in his worldwiew people are tools and must be manipulated for their own good. I did not think that this was what America was all about, but they seem to love him.
eleuthromania 1 year ago
When you come to grips with the same people who own the Central Bank in the United States actually funded and supported Marxist Lenin you can start connecting the dots and the world and what is happening today in the markets and in national politics is very, very scary.
pacman522 1 year ago
I feel that he lays it all out pretty well. At the time even he could not be totally aware of all the details, because he was not really the one conducting the subversion action in this area. I'm sure the KGB but there best and brightest on subversion of America. Naturally they would have made certain adaptations on this model. The brilliant thing is that this could move under it's own weight at a certain point. If the Russians dropped it when everything "supposedly" ended.
wildernessshouter 1 year ago
4:36 found the book : google the socilaist phenomena its the one with RobertLstephens site and u can copy/paste the whole book. Than x agian hsitroika and Yuri
Badwolf182 1 year ago
wow that was one of THE BEST vdis on utube. Great man Yuri. Thank U
Badwolf182 1 year ago
Somehow I have a feeling that he is hidding the true role and use of religion and spirituality in "subversion" techniques- but lets remember that even though he is an ex KGB Psycological Warfare expert, he is still just one atom in an infinite universe just like you and me.
doboj911 1 year ago
This reminded me of a class I took (and was paid to take) for young Jewish people about Jewish culture. The whole time I was taught about how great Judaism is and how I should to embrace this part of my heritage. But the very last lesson was spent telling us that Jews are dying out and the most noble thing I could do was to marry a jew and have a million kids. Becoming Orthodox was a good idea too, I was told, because Orthodox Jews tend to have 5 children on average.
notnatalie 1 year ago
Even though I have a staunchly anti-marxist worldview, to hear this former KGB agent speak was still fascinating and eye-opening. It's strengthened and confirmed me in my beliefs. I have learned things today. God bless the man and thanks to Histroika for uploading this so the world can learn... whether mankind *wants* to learn, however, is another matter entirely...
frzam7 1 year ago
this guy is a neo-con brainwashing tool
xardas711 1 year ago
@xardas711 then you must be subverted :)
frzam7 1 year ago 2
What a powerful message... that God and Jesus Christ, figures that represent the best qualities and characteristics of all life, are the greatest tools to building a prosperous and moral society
KnowlegeIsPower1210 1 year ago 15
Yuri Bezmenov is talking about spirituality and real spirituality is not contained ONLY by the church teachings. However Christian teaching are a good start in building a moral code, which is not a bad thing in itself. But this is only common sense. Anyway, thank you for this video. Everything he sad is correct. And related to the religion and wars: the vast majority of wars were for territorial gains and religion was just a tool. It's stupid to hate the tool and not the person handling it.
torotube99 1 year ago 5
3:06 most real scientists are those ppl. They give up the chance of feeding several children for that. Naturally they are minority in scienific society.
krbosak 1 year ago
Great series, notice the number of views dropped throughout. The last two were probably the most interesting and a loss for those who could not hang to the end. I like how he exlains the history and the psychology used for thousands of years and how it has only been refined to the current day as the use of propagand and ideological subversion. The amazing part is the forshadowing of current events.
flippyflappy1 1 year ago 2
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willyrobinson 1 year ago
@Tirbrath Very insightful comment. A big problem resides, however, in understanding (if that be the appropriate term) what "God" is, or perhaps what "God" can be. I know that when such a perception/comprehension/experience does come, it is a flash of lightning, a Gestalt shock that re-organizes the entire mind in subtle ways. That is true religion: no dogma, no doctrine, just direct experience. What he says we need is a religion that is "true enough" to act as a counter balance to materialism.
SororThothma 1 year ago
I must say - I find this very intriguing & eye-opening. I admire his intelligence...but...just a thot -
Would I be wrong to say d@ he is intelligently practising d art of ideological subversion???
Man by default is ideological, and sadly, we will always have a world where one tries to impose his own ideals on another."Democracy is simply the imposition of the majority's ideals on the minority".
There can only be true peace when we all can constructively compromise...safe to say - Never!..:(
daluoa 1 year ago 3
wow!
kingneddy 1 year ago
HAHAHAH this is good but at the end this guy is
subverting those people minds while explaining subversion
its simple
whenever you hear the word americans, use instead jews and all will make sense.
Moral code is important, jew religions(christian, catholic) are not
Germany under Hitler, was raised from ashes to world power in 5 years
and had to be prompted into World War to destroy it.
Cause Germany was full of moral educated man, but not religious stupid ignorants
Kikes are subverting US
bananito3 1 year ago
Little disappointed that this entire 60 minute, interesting lecture concluded with "God" as the saving grace to subversion.....
NoMorFear 1 year ago
spirituality is when moral values are more important for you than material ones.
religion - institution to organize and educate people into spiritual mindset (I'm not telling that it is doing it's job perfectly, but it is what it supposed to do).
Leikonel 1 year ago
basically Religion=Bad Spirituality=Good ;-)
DoctorSess 1 year ago
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The Successful Subversion of America By Progressives is Almost Complete.
SEE ww (dot) plp (dot) org
LOS ANGELES, March 4 — Today several hundred students rallied and sat in at UCLAs administration building, backing the state-wide March 4th day of action against education cut-backs...organizing for it exposed the cuts to the state budget and public education as being essentially racist, since they disproportionately affect low-income working-class black and Latino students the most.
Successor123 1 year ago
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Here the veil is lifted so that anyone with eyes can SEE the truth behind the events to which we have been witness in the last few years.
The Art of War
Sun Tzu
The Principles of Subversion
1. Cover with ridicule all of the valid traditions in your opponents country.
2. Implicate their leaders in criminal affairs and turn them over to the scorn of their populace at the right time.
3. Disrupt the work of their government by every means;
Successor123 1 year ago
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4. Do not shun the aid of the lowest and most despicable individuals of your enemys country.
5. Spread disunity and dispute among the citizens.
6. Turn the young against the old.
7. Be generous with promises and rewards to collaborators and accomplices.
BEWARE!!!
"Normalization" may be coming sooner than we dare think!
Successor123 1 year ago
Thank You HISTROIKA very much.
This is the most comprehensive and the simplest explanation of subversion strategy I have ever seen and heard. And my thanks to Yuri Bezmenov for making this lecture.
MarekK64 2 years ago
thank you HISTROIKA,
seal22yo 2 years ago
...he says this as if "religion" is not an "institution" easy to manipulate... religion is a tool... as media is.. he made some there maybe strong or maybe weak... but... there will always be someone who would say... let`s gather some money from the church... to make it bigger, more beautiful...
Isn`t this what he said about those ads... it looks the same to me...
Silver925night 2 years ago
@Silver925night spirituality and religion are two different things...
DoctorSess 1 year ago 2
@DoctorSess is it?? and what`s the difference??
Silver925night 1 year ago
@Silver925night thats up to you to decide but to me religion is the man made organizations that twist and corrupt spirituality...
DoctorSess 1 year ago
@DoctorSess ok..spirituality is the tool, religion is the institution...
Silver925night 1 year ago
@Silver925night kinda. to me spirituality is inherent in human existence. we all have different levels and ideas of spirituality. religion is the organizations that seem to do more to corrupt that spirituality than protect and nurture it. Don't let human beings shortcomings destroy your connection with the Divine nature of the universe, whatever that may be to you. Like Yuri says, it's really the only way we can win this struggle.
DoctorSess 1 year ago
@DoctorSess it`s hard to find pure spirituality nowadays... i think even impossible... you`re born with this religion that manipulate spirit...
Silver925night 1 year ago
@DoctorSess I completely agree with you. Religion is man made, a set of rules aimed at subversing people through fear of condemnation and consequence by not obeying rules, laws and statutes. Spirituality involves fear in a reverant, obedient and appreciative manner. To be in awe of something much greater than ones self. Admiration, respect and contentment represent spirituality. Fear mongering, guilt and shame represent religion.
babybluesnowden 1 year ago
@babybluesnowden very well put...thanks for articulating the point.
DoctorSess 1 year ago
The point Bezmenov was trying to make was that a nation under God ( "spirit" as the prime mover) is more protected from being contaminated by foreign ideas, especially the commie efforts to demoralize and destabilize the country. So if you restrain yourself from buying into commie lies because of God's sake, and you are firm in your decision, you are much less likely to buy into lies, since you respect God and your nation too much to compromise morality and values that make it sovereign.
RKarshenas 2 years ago 24
@RKarshenas I suppose in theory that logic is sound, but the reality is that there exists so much room for exploitation. one has no further to look than the us of a which once had a dominant christian population. Still many Christians exist but that is being eroded away. Look at the countries history, and where they are at today. They're in my opinion the most hoodwinked people on the planet. I dont think you can simply say religion is the key and that is all. if anything knowledge is the key
dickmoe99 1 year ago
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subvert reason to faith and and society is doomed!!
he says the opposite and the crowed claps
the kgb would be so proud of this lecture
he explains what they where doing and then does it
let me push you farther with your elogical believe!!
carveawoodeneye 2 years ago
If all you're about is reason, logic, etc., then you are a good target for manipulation. Why? Because reason / logic vulnerable to interpretation (subjectivity) and manipulation / propagandization. The simple belief that there is one creator, we are special, etc. etc. does what harm to the individual and society? It does none. What it does do is what RKarshenas expressed in the above comment(read it carefully). Tell what bad these simple, basic beliefs do, and substantiate what you say.
regresseur 2 years ago 12
make people think it is ok to blow them selfs up and take other people with them!! cause lots of wars!! combat science combat reality and oppress groups of people like gays and women if they follow the old testament!! anyone who believes something with out any proof seems easer to manipulate look at the level of control all the other religions
you think are wrong have over their people
carveawoodeneye 2 years ago
@carveawoodeneye
You just made his point. Muslims, I am sure that is who you are talking about, are very successful in resisting subversion of their society and also very successful at subverting western liberal society. Both communists and muslims are exploiting the absence or weakness of the religion in the targeted societies. initially they did that with Byzantium and now with Europe. They still call Europe the Roman Empire.
MarekK64 2 years ago
@regresseur Wrong. Reason and logic are not subjective, that is completely pathological. Logic is OBJECTIVE by definition. Emotions are subjective, and if you aren't logical, you are emotional, and emotions are the easiest thing to manipulate.
arudson 1 year ago
@arudson Waste time.
What one person considers logical another person might not. Real people in the real world don't care about hard definitions, unlike Word Warriors on the Internet, who are consistently detached from (and thus forget to factor in that thing called) reality. These things are the reason why things like instinct (which is based out of emotion) are important. It's not thru a logical process or reasoning that I can recogniz that multiculturalism leads to the breakdown of society.
regresseur 1 year ago
@regresseur Actually there is only one logic. Instinct is only helpfull if you're in the forrest about to be raped by a tiger. The people who "don't have the real logic"-as you say-are the people who are using instinct. And it's what's screwing up the world.
Logic and reason is what gave you that computer, the internet and possibly saved your life inplicitly a trillion times over. It's too bad that you didn't use reasoning to get to your conclusions. You were lucky. But maybe not so next time.
badblueman 1 year ago
@badblueman
1.
Let me put it to you this way: It's not through instinct that baby boys' penises are mutilated. It's not through instinct that perfectly healthy women with perfectly healthy budding life inside of them are willing to destroy that life. It's not through instinct that wars are started, and countless innocent persons murdered as a result.
Ironically, it is instinct that lends itself to the preservation of life. First oneself, and then one's "own" (family and friends).
regresseur 1 year ago
@regresseur Reason evolved and what happened, happened. I obviously don't condone primitive immoral behaviour... I do concede that some defective reasoning must have been used to get there... BUT! That's exactly why we have to use more (actual) logic and reasoning.
What kind of instinct is there in genital mutilation? The instinct of the poeople being mutilated to oppose etc. But what instinct is there with the people doing it? None. Culture is fully integrated. It must evolve further...no?
badblueman 1 year ago
@badblueman
5.
"What kind of instinct is there in genital mutilation? The instinct of the poeople being mutilated to oppose etc."
That makes no sense whatsoever.
"But what instinct is there with the people doing it? None."
And that's exactly the problem.
"Culture is fully integrated. It must evolve further...no?"
Again, makes no sense, and again, what has this got to do with any of my comments?
regresseur 1 year ago
@regresseur Well I'm sorry I don't make sense.
While I wasn't as open with you... your comments didn't make much sense to me either. Your previous comments about "instinct over rationality". So I respond as best I can... Faulty logic can lead to fucked up behaviour. But instinct is just an animalistic response to an even in the present... So WTF am I supposed to say?
badblueman 1 year ago
@badblueman
7.
"So I respond as best I can..."
You shouldn't respond to something that you don't understand. Instead, you should come up with some questions to ask that person so that you can understand. Wouldn't that be the logical thing to do?
"Faulty logic can lead to fucked up behaviour."
Like yours.
"But instinct is just an animalistic response to an even in the present... So WTF am I supposed to say?"
Nothing, because you make no sense, which the above comment exemplifies perfectly.
regresseur 1 year ago
@regresseur I see.So you are going to play games with me and turn this out to be some sort of egomaniacal bolstering on your part.
If this is so to prove that instinct...such as that of playing the alpha male,will win the argument by patronising the other party...I applaud your art.It certainly shows how somebody could believe logic is inadequate when brute power can just claim victory outright. An obvious logical fallacy.
If you're just being an ass though. You aren't fit to critique society.
badblueman 1 year ago
@badblueman
1.
You basically stated that instinct is only valuable in situations where one's life is on the line ("you're in the woods about to be raped by a tiger" ... good example, by the way... ). I replied and told you why instinct is far more valuable than you think, why reason and logic are overrated and at times even dangerous, and I gave examples. You did not address any of that direclty, but rather replied with highly metaphorical irrelevance that no human could possibly decipher.
regresseur 1 year ago
@regresseur 1) Well fine.I debated about reason as pure theory.We both agree it get's overrated-which in my view means misunderstood.As far as instinct goes...it is a purely physical event, soon to be disected by science.So in an age where previously held ideals are getting shattered to bits,one simply won't have an excuse to invoke instinct as something worthy to use next to actual reasoning. You may claim this is only Internet Word Warrior BS.But without this BS we'll stagnate intellectualy.
badblueman 1 year ago
@badblueman
Again you make no fucking sense and type in a HIGHLY metaphorical manner.
If clear communication were taking a nice, hearty shit, then your posts would be explosive diarrhea.
Hasty, metaphorical ramblings do not = intelligent, well thought-out ideas.
If anyone is interested in the relevant part of this discussion then they can go back to my first reply to "badblueman," who was the first to engage.
regresseur 1 year ago
@regresseur What is metaphorical here?Reason is a concept.You want to present it pragmatically and then show its faults and "dangers".
You, without any evidence I might add, start your own metaphorical rambling about the usefulness of instinct. (Where is it useful? If my instinct is to burn homeless people with cigarettes, how is that an advance for society?)
Geez. Now I guess I was wrong, again. You simply aren't capable of comprehending anything beyond your narrow rhetorical filter.
badblueman 1 year ago
@badblueman
1
"my instinct is to burn homeless people with cigarettes"
Then you have some serious mental problems.
"Reason is a concept."
It's also a process, e.g. "a process of reasoning that brought me to my conclusion." It's through a process of reasoning (and perhaps even logic in cases where decisions are made based on hard data) that wars are started. Wars are not started because someone "just feels like invading a country today and wiping out countless innocence," i.e.ActingOut of insinct
regresseur 1 year ago
@regresseur
1)
"Then you have some serious mental problems." Please stop this personal attack nonsense. Concentrate on the actual issue. What a hypocrite you are... "Wars are not started because someone "just feels like invading a country today and wiping out countless innocence,"
After 9/11 we didn't see an investigation. We didn't see CIA or FBI sending their assasins to deal with the problem. We saw millions of americans thirsty for blood and blind to reason. Thanks to instinct.
badblueman 1 year ago
@badblueman
1.
"Please stop this personal attack nonsense."
Looking back in the comments you have personally attacked me as well, so just stop the bullshit already. Personally attack me back if you like (because I couldn't care less and I'm not going to cry about it like you do,'cause I'm a big boy).
"Concentrate on the actual issue."
Make arguments, not worthlessness that both wastes time and space and puts me on the defensive thus compelling me to waste further time and space in response.
regresseur 1 year ago
@regresseur 1) "so just stop the bullshit already.... " Please stop talking nonsense and stop this hypocracy. If you actually were a big boy you wouldn't have responded to that comment. You obviously must defend your ego and that hardly shows you don't cry over my comment. Even if it's a metaphorical cry.
"Make arguments" Please stop there useless responses. I've made lots of arguments. You just can't see beyond your limited "instinct and emotions are awesome" ideology.
badblueman 1 year ago
@badblueman
7.a
"You obviously must defend your ego"
If by "ego" you mean "the positions you take on these issues," then yes, you're correct.
"You just can't see beyond your limited 'instinct and emotions are awesome' ideology."
Did you just imply that emotions are of little value to you, or something like that? Because that would be hilarious, though it would make sense given your leftist leanings. But anyway, yes, instinct and emotions ARE awesome. Perhaps you should get some.
regresseur 1 year ago
@badblueman
1.b
"After 9/11... we saw millions of americans thirsty for blood and blind to reason. Thanks to instinct."
Not thanks to instinct, thanks to THE MEDIA. But more importantly, there's a word for what you're describing: irrationality. I'm sorry, but you don't get to conflate the two. People "thirsty for blood" and "blind to reason," as you say, on 9/11, was people being irrational. An example of someone being instinctual here would be a person hurrying to help someone w/o thinking 1st.
regresseur 1 year ago
@regresseur 1b) Again you cherry pick an event to defend your ideology. You can't break a system at a link you don't want to defend. Yes, thanks to the media.... If people were rational they wouldn't eat up the propaganda. Ergo, actual rationality over emotional irrationality. They didn't see through the media because their instinct told them otherwise.
...Yes and after helping the wounded, the instinct was anger and "lets kill them all". But you won't place that where it belongs.
badblueman 1 year ago
@badblueman
6.b
"Again you cherry pick an event to defend your ideology."
Uh, you were the one who brought up 9/11 and cherrypicked it to defend your ideology. LOL. Remember your comment about "bloodthirsty" people?
regresseur 1 year ago
@badblueman
2.
Regarding the talk about Western Society: You conceded, so no need to go on about this.
Your latest comments: Lots of irrelevance, speculating about my "true" intentions and "my methods" for arguing, etc. More of you avoiding directly addressing my initial comments (the only thing that really mattered in the first place).
"Sorry to upset you"
You haven't.
Your comments continue to make very little sense, e.g. "turn this out to be some sort of egomaniacal bolstering on your part."
regresseur 1 year ago
@regresseur 2) Well it was "sort of egomaniacal bolstering and cynicism on my part". And you seem to have understood it quite well. The outburst was only an instinctual (hoho) response at a perceived patronisation on your part. It made no sense why you seemed bent on presenting me as a complete fuckup, just because I don't see things the same as you...other than egoism. Well I don't have that attitude, I'm more of a pussy - so maybe that's why I see it as an attack.
badblueman 1 year ago
@badblueman
Stop talking about things that don't matter. Go back to my first reply to you after you engaged me and come up with a coherent response. Everything you're going on about now are arguments over things that were started later in the conversation, by you, for no good reason, and that are not at all relevant to what we were talking about in the beginning. Essentially you're arguing about arguments that you started, probably to because you couldn't handle staying on topic.
regresseur 1 year ago
@regresseur I read the first reply. And it's utter nonsense-This is your grand argument? You've picked a few examples where you tink instinct is useful.Great for you.I've put aside genital mutilation already. As far as abortion is concerned... what about the instinct to have sex? What about the consequence of that instinct eg: overpopultaion, starvation, death by horrible disease etc. How is the instinct against abortion useful?How about the reason and logic one could use to fix the problems?
badblueman 1 year ago
@badblueman
1.
"where you tink instinct is useful."
Instinct as useful in preventing a mother from allowing herself to be propagandized into letting someone mutilate her baby's genitals is not a matter of thinking, it's a matter of knowing. The same is true for the other examples I gave. Sex, overpopulation and the consequences thereof are not relevant to, per se, whether instinct is valuable in helping a mother decide not to needlessly destroy the life inside of her.
regresseur 1 year ago
@regresseur 2) "instinct as useful in preventing a mother from allowing herself to be propagandized..." And why do you think they do mutilate genitals? Is it because of their experts on reason and medicine? No they do it out of instinct. They identify themselves with the culture and its practices. If you come to tell them GM is stupid and immoral, they'll shun you because it's their culture.
Overpopulation isn't relevant? Well yes it is. If you were a bit more rational about it, you'd see why.
badblueman 1 year ago
@badblueman
2.a
"And why do you think they do mutilate genitals? Is it because of their experts on reason and medicine?
They don't have to be experts on anything of the sort because it's common practice for hospitals to give new parents information regarding circumcision before they're to decide on whether they want it performed on their child, you ingrate.
"No they do it out of instinct."
The problem here is that you conflate "instinct" with everything from sliced bread to military operations.
regresseur 1 year ago
@regresseur 2a) You didn't elaborate why I'm an ingrate...And your lecture on hospital procedure doesn't have anything to do with us. It only shows irrationality. ...What about some tribe and female genital mutilation.
I conflate instinct with "everything" because you treat it as some incredibly useful concept. I already said what Instinct was, and it's animalistic and primitive. A synonim for unconscious thought processes. I can't believe you keep defending it by attacking "rational" thougth.
badblueman 1 year ago
@badblueman
5.a
"You didn't elaborate why I'm an ingrate"
First I'll correct myself: What I should've said was "ignoramus." You said the mothers of newborns aren't experts on reason and medicine (this was revolving around the circumcision issue) in a "Gotcha!" tone; I then told you they don't have to be because they're provided with the information they need to make a so-called "informed decision." Why I need to "elaborate" on the names I call you is beyond me. Pointless as usual.
regresseur 1 year ago
@badblueman
6.a
"I conflate instinct with 'everything' because you treat it as some incredibly useful concept."
That's not a reason, that's a bullshit excuse. But thanks for effectively admitting that 99% of every single thing you've been arguing was on the back of a critical misconception.
regresseur 1 year ago
@badblueman
2.b
"They identify themselves with the culture and its practices."
I agree. What's that got to do with instinct? Answer: Nothing.
"Overpopulation isn't relevant? Well yes it is."
Overpopulation is not relevant to the value instinct has in preventing a mother from needlessly destroying the life inside of her. I'm just repeating myself of course, but that is what happens when people reply with, "You are wrong because you are wrong."
regresseur 1 year ago
@regresseur 2b) It's got everything to do with instinct. It's unconscious, irrational, instinctual. Most identify with groups, not because they've thought it through, but because they need to feel accepted. Feel is the keyword, it's an instinct to conform. Don't turn this into semantics.
"Overpopulation is not relevant to the value instinct has " And this is exactly the filter I was talking about -> Rinse and repeat. Overpopulation is relevant because it's instinct that leads to it. Damn.
badblueman 1 year ago
@badblueman
5.b
"Rinse and repeat. Overpopulation is relevant because it's instinct that leads to it. Damn."
I'd agree with that but it's irrelevant to why I keep repeating myself. Observe:
- I make statement about the value of instinct in relation to abortion.
- Said statement is a standalone statement, an idea with a beginning and an end, not open-ended, and not a question.
- You reply and start talking about sex, overpopulation, etc., and conclude with, "See, instinct is bad, I told you!"
regresseur 1 year ago
@badblueman
5.c
(cont. from 5.b)
Read no. 2 in the list in my previous comment. Your "job" after I had introduced that totally new, unrelated-to-anything-we-were-going-on-about-before idea was simply to agree, disagree or ignore it, and if either 1 or 2, follow up with your reasons. Instead of talking about instinct in regards to my comment about abortion, you introduced overpopulation and a couple other things into the mix, and went on from there. That's why I keep telling you: IRRELEVANT.
regresseur 1 year ago
@badblueman
2.
"what about the instinct to have sex? What about the consequence of that instinct eg: overpopultaion, starvation, death by horrible disease etc."
If you want to argue based on possible consequences, then I could argue that you shouldn't ever get in a car and drive anywhere because it's POSSIBLE that your car might start on fire and explode. That's how stupid and petty your argument is. We don't NOT do things because of what COULD happen as a result. Don't eat or you might choke!
regresseur 1 year ago
@regresseur 2) Please stop your metaphorical rambling...
We don't worry about our car exploding because science (logic and mathematics) give a very low probability of it exploding. Millions of starving children is a fact... Not a "far out" possibility.
"We don't NOT do things because of what COULD happen as a result."
WTF? Yes we do NOT do thing because of what could happen. We do not not test drugs for that reason. We do not not do a million things because of COULD and Would's.
badblueman 1 year ago
@badblueman
3.a
"We don't worry about our car exploding because science (logic and mathematics) give a very low probability of it exploding. Millions of starving children is a fact... Not a 'far out' possibility."
You were arguing based on possible consequences. I used this same kind of argumentation to argue against driving cars, to show you how bad your argument was. None of what I quoted here changes anything; arguing based on "what could happen" is fallacious, stupid and wrong.
regresseur 1 year ago
@regresseur 3a) Well I bet you'd think so. Apparently we should just do things instinctually. Overpopulation, starvation etc. is a fact. Not a possible consequence. Especially when rationality is shunned. And "What could happen" isn't fallacious when that could approaces a P of 100% with time.Neither would it be fallacious otherwise.More hypocrisy. Just one comment ago you blamed me for saying "you're wrong, you're wrong". You did it right here. Unsubstantiated BS.
badblueman 1 year ago
@badblueman
3.b
"We don't worry about our car exploding because science (logic and mathematics) give a very low probability of it exploding."
Interestingly, I've never seen this science you refer to. Have you? Has anyone? It's interesting, even more so, because not only have the vast majority of us not seen this science, but it's not through a process of reasoning that we're able to get in our cars and drive without fear of them exploding... so could it be... INSTINCT?
regresseur 1 year ago
@regresseur 3b) Contrary to your apparent beleif, I never said this should be a war instinct vs. rationality. I conceded faulty reasoning exist, I conceded instinct can be benificial. What I did say is that being "all about reason" is better. Yes we go into our cars just like sheep and drive them. So what? Are you saying that's a good thing? Scarry
The science that stops our cars from exploding is inherent in the design. As far as theory goes, you can check statistics on spontaneous explosions.
badblueman 1 year ago
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@badblueman
3.c
"WTF? Yes we do NOT do thing because of what could happen. We do not not test drugs for that reason. We do not not do a million things because of COULD and Would's."
Clearly I was wrong there. Fortunately for me it was a standalone statement that nothing else I've said depends on. Basic logical mix up, as to have been expected so late at night and deep into a debate.
regresseur 1 year ago
@badblueman
Regarding the other two examples I gave.
Instinct and war:
Instinct doesn't tell people to invade countries and slaughter people. A process of reasoning (and as I stated before, sometimes logic, where data is involved) does.
Instinct and abortion: Through a process of reasoning a woman decides to get an abortion. Abortion is immoral when it entails the needless destruction of life. A woman's instinct tells her not to get an abortion, which in most cases is the moral thing to do.
regresseur 1 year ago
@regresseur 3) Hitler didn't massacre his fellow human beings after nights of restles reasoning.He did it out of blinding emotions,and the instincts of the people were to go with the flow.The same with many other wars.They only happened because people went with the flow (out of instinct).Rational people would stop this.
I can't believe you were so arrogant all the time, when your whole arguments are based on cherry picking and blaming logic. And you lectured me on nonsense metaphors, please...
badblueman 1 year ago
@badblueman
4.a
"Hitler didn't massacre his fellow human beings after nights of restles reasoning.He did it out of blinding emotions "
If you don't think any conscious planning went into the things he and his soldiers did then you're a total moron. Hitler did what he did because he had severe mental problems as a result of childhood traumas and because he was politically brainwashed and indoctrinated during his youth. Oh ya, and he happened to be a talented speaker, which didn't hurt.
regresseur 1 year ago
@regresseur You win. I'll stop responding. Just saying in case you'd rather not waste your time and energy one me.
badblueman 1 year ago
@badblueman
4.b
"and the instincts of the people were to go with the flow."
Um, do you use just use any opportunity to inject the word "instinct" to try to make it seem like it's a bad thing, even when doing so doesn't make sense? Hitler had the German people hugging his nuts because of a combination of the country being in a demoralized, directionless, functionally leaderless and otherwise fucked up state at the time, and being the right person in the right place... at the right time.
regresseur 1 year ago
@regresseur "needless destruction" If a person decides to get an abortion is hardly needless.And it's hardly immoral if the "life" isn't conscious.And again,a woman wouldn't get pregnant without the instinct to have sex,or without the instinct of a rapist to rape.An actual rational person wouldn't get to this point.
You see what I'm talking about. You take a complex system of human socio/psychology,cherry pick a specific event and blame it on reasoning.(While overlooking instinct and emotions)
badblueman 1 year ago
@badblueman
7.b
"If a person decides to get an abortion is hardly needless."
Nice fallacy. If a woman decides to get an abortion that doesn't necessarily mean that she had to, PERIOD. My statement is truth, and truth resonates... bullshit like the above quote does not.
"And it's hardly immoral if the 'life' isn't conscious."
Interesting use of quotation marks and lack of certainty in your wording. More to the point: Needless destruction of life is always immoral.
regresseur 1 year ago
@badblueman
2.
As I've expressed in previous comments, pointing out that there is only 1 kind of logic is a moot point because I was talking in terms of the average person's perception of what logic is, or more specifically, what is "logical." The average person considers many things "logical" that in actuality have little or nothing to do with logic at all.
regresseur 1 year ago
@arudson To your last comment: Yes, and that is why Obama is president of the U.S.
regresseur 1 year ago
@regresseur The beliefs,which are Bronze age mythologies are a great excuse for people who can't think for themselves. Sure the Taliban are doing great. Their religion makes them go forward...but to what end? They will always be immoral, primitive idiots. A western, reason based society will be half way to Betelgeuse by the time they start thinkng twice before stoning women to "please the gods".
So if life is about surviving,be reasonable. If not, jump of a cliff and try to fly using instinct.
badblueman 1 year ago
@badblueman
3.
Western, "reason-based" societies may not stone their women, but apparently they have no problem carpet bombing entire cities and murdering countless people in foreign countries for no good reason. I guess it's okay but only when the killing reaches into the hundreds of thousands, or more, and only when it happens by explosive and by proxy, and only when you don't actually see what's going on because your only real sources of information on such things keep it hidden from you.
regresseur 1 year ago
@regresseur And I never said I consider the average westerner some sort of enlightened logician; neither do I see the general western society like that- HaHa! Far, far from anything I'd consider rational. People are to be found just as fucked up everywhere. So I don't "take responsibility" to be apologetic over carpet bombing, or media propaganda.
badblueman 1 year ago
@badblueman
6.
"And I never said I consider the average westerner some sort of enlightened logician"
I know you didn't. What's your point?
"People are to be found just as fucked up everywhere."
Then why bother implying moral superiority in western societies with your stoning women comment?
"So I don't 'take responsibility' to be apologetic over carpet bombing, or media propaganda."
What's that got to do with anything? There, I clearly wasn't talking about you, rather that WS =NotMorallySuperior
regresseur 1 year ago
@regresseur My point is that I have to say that, since I see no other reason for you to be lecturing me, other than the possibility you believe I hold those views.
Sorry. I misused the "western rationality"... by that I mean logic, science, humanism etc. Not some normalized behaviour of western countries.
"What's that got to do with anything" My humblest apologies. Sorry to upset you, but for the reason I said that, I refer you to the first paragraph of this comment.
badblueman 1 year ago
@badblueman
4.
Countries like the US take their "regular, systematic killing of innocent persons" to other countries, where they do far more of it, in far less time, with far more efficiency, just as little reason, if not less, and less emotion to top it off. Don't bother trying to claim moral superiority for Western Society, because that's simply ridiculous and exposes your own disconnect from reality.
regresseur 1 year ago
this guy is a propagandist. his entire speech is propaganda filled with half truths.
mrzack888 2 years ago
@mrzack888 Are you familiar with KGB tactics? Please tell us what he lied about or omitted.
foolcow1976 1 year ago
Political Correctness, a.k.a. Cultural Marxism, is something that comes to mind when Bezmenov describes subversion of society. And all the events and transformations which shook America and the Western World during the 60's and 70's; the Hippie Culture, the Civil Rights Movement, the Feminist movement, the Sex, Drugs and Rock & Roll culture, and indeed in later years, the adoption of artificial terms such as "equality" and "solidarity" into political life. God, save us all from the beast.
AberTous 2 years ago 3
This was an omen from the past. America better wake up and turn back this evil scurge.
elvisbelt 2 years ago
i found this whole video to be very interesting and true, what he says can be applied to our today.
stop subversion is to believe and live with less,unplug tv, consume less and accept ur working wage. i agree with his statement on this and i do this anyway.
left,right,democrat,republican,marxist-leninist,liberal etc is all inorder to DEVIDE & CONQUER . what matters is the ideologies and practices of the individuals/parties.
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moniequa 2 years ago
not christian, but god or something to believe in or something that can restrain society from going crazy.
debtinterest 2 years ago
Excellent.
Big picture indicates subversion comes from the communist left and the fascist right. Anthony Sutton documented how Wall Street funded the communist soviet union, who was "our ally"[?!} against the Nazis. These "modern" movements are much older - and when you trace the Fabian society, Oxford movement, Illuminati, freemasony, etc ... you end up at the door of the Catholic Jesuits.
The solution is not mere "religion," but genuine salvation and true King James Bible Christianity.
TheMackQuigleyReport 2 years ago 4