Empowered Ignorance (not apathy) Breeds Faulty Systems (1/2)

[ThePovratakOtpisanih]

Write a paragraph explaining the difference between a 1 month fetus and a plant?!

Keep dreaming...

[fletchkoffner]

This sounds like an ostensibly tenable idea...however, it would certainly lead to totalitarianism...and history shows how well that works...

[oojamaflipper]

glad u clarified the test would not necceserily be knowledge based.. a reason based test would make more sense but then reason is subjective (ooh, can o' worms) so it might be a problem still..

love the tags : P

wish i could do a response, i gotta be on the plane in 3 hours. fuck. think you got your hands full with Gary anyway..

[oojamaflipper]

i may well do a response on location.. hopefully.. maybe..

[CelticRobot]

write a paragraph? whos going to read all of these voter essays man

[AntiBullshitMan]

They wouldn't be essay length, there'd be character limits. But I did just get a great comment about that below...

Who hand counted the Florida votes in 2000?

[gardenswan]

I remember back in 2000 when they did a HAND count of all the votes in Florida so to set the record straight. Took forever, but it was done. Just like this idea, it's wouldn't be pretty in execution, but it would accomplish something in the end. The seemingly impossible mission on 1st sight didn't prevent them from doing the recount.

5 stars.

[AnotherMaleHuman]

Still think your idea has potential but the only thing I would bring you up on is what you said about people needing to explain why they take a certain stance on an issue e.g. abortion. If the test changes from multiple choice to written explanations, the time taken for them to be 'marked' will increase a lot as they now have to be read by someone instead of just being input into an OMR machine.

[AnotherMaleHuman]

Furthermore as peoples justifications can vary widely, it could be hard to judge whether what they've said is acceptable or not.

More importantly though is that these kind of questions aren't as clear-cut. As in, if there's a question about a certain policy of a candidate, you would be able to get one specific answer. Not that there isn't one right answer to these (ethical) questions, just that deciding on the answers will be harder.

[AntiBullshitMan]

I think the fact that we have clear cut secular countries doesn't leave much room for shades of gray regarding some questions.

It would be time consuming to read all those, yes, but I'd wager it'd be well worth it in the end.

[kileer71]

A multiple choice test that offers two specific choices to a problem, one inherently irrational while the other rational could be substituted for a written rationalization of an observed occurrence and or policy. Would that meet your standards as it pertains to qualifying a vote?

[kileer71]

I'm appreciative that you played his clips so as to provide adequate context for the discussion. As far as voting reform goes, I support most of the measures inmendham advocates, IRV etc.

great video

[AntiBullshitMan]

I'm ALL for IRV, but on a large scale it's probably as unfeasible as this idea because it would lead to a progressive system that takes advantage of technology. Those in power have successfully suppressed discussion of democratic progress for decades.

[kileer71]

Yes, I agree those with substantial private capital have no interest in democratizing our societies.

[AntiBullshitMan]

""Would that meet your standards""

Yeah that works too. Hell, I'd welcome almost anything in addition to this current 18+ standard, especially in Secular countries like the US.