Go rig, its way better, more functional, and if you really work off a rope you all would understand. I have 600 ft plus descents on slopes and cliffs and have rock drill, scale, chainsaw, blast, move up down side to side and the grigri doesn't work at all for that sort of stuff its for rock climbers and the id has that stupid safety lock crap, its twice as heavy, no spring in the handle, its huge. the rig is awesome!
While I tend to agree, the Grigri and now the GG2 is much smaller compared to the Rig than the Rig is compared to the I'D. I know treeclimbers that use and prefer the GG due to the much smaller size and weight. The GG2 has a leveraged handle that makes it easier to start smoothly from a stopped position. For the apps you describe or any other work positioning, the Rig makes a lot of sense. For rec tree climbing, probably the Grigri makes more sense due to the lighter weight.
I agree completely! In fact, I have posted that very thing many times myself. I made the video oriented more toward recreational applications, but I do want to thank you for adding this very pertinent comment. And it's worth repeating - the Rig is made for industrial work positioning and the Grigri is really made for belaying.
I know many climbers pro and rec that climb on the Grigri and it works fine in that capacity. I really can't support the Grigri for work postioning though.
if the 'rig' is loaded with your weight and your on a rope mid way on a pitch and you lock off the 'rig' how easy is the 'rig' to unlock to carry on going down ?...prime example your passing a re-belay or deviation mid pitch.
can it be done with one hand (i would hope so. I also presume it would be used with a breaking carab. the person i need the info for is the wife as the petzl stop hurts her small hand if used at the moment she uses a rack by petzl
Well, I have the luxury of not knowing how they perform in the wet or snow. We have little if any snow around here and the only wet I'd ever be in is rain and so far I've been able to avoid climbing in both.
But you make an excellent point. For those that need/want to use these tools in wet or snow, you should test their performance under safe controlled conditions before trying them for 'real'>
@Tanglerwr They work fine in the wet but I wouldn't use either the Rig or the ID for climbing they're designed for rope access not .climbing. Theyre relatively big and expensive especially the ID. Stick to a Gri Gri an Eddy or though good ole figure 8
@Tanglerwr The Rigg is specifically designed for rope access.... it even states that on the petzl promo. Ive also used ID's for the past 8 years. They dont do anything a gri gri cant do but hey if you want to spend an extra $100 & carry the extra weight feel free. Personally if I was climbing I'd want the lightest gear I could get but then I'm just a rope access technician
BTW the gri gri is a belay/descending device, if thats not a climbing device please explain to me what is?
Actually the Rig does do more than a Grigri - it has a lock off position for work positioning. The Rig was designed for rope access, i.e. work, ascent, & descent. The Grigri was designed for one thing - belaying.
Although, tree climbers all over the US the Grigri in a RADS for ascending and descending. The RADS (ascending with the Grigri) is widely used as the entry method of rec tree climbers as it provides an almost instant escape if needed.
@Tanglerwr dude dont pegion hole the gri gri we use em for everything from rescue rigs to tight lines to pulley systems..... theyre as versatile as hell. The lock can be handy but its not qauntum leap... and you can hard lock a grigri. Dont get me wrong I love my ID and I'll get a rigg to replace it when its shot but there's nothing wrong with a grigri. Can I suggest you check out the edelrid eddy? I love em!
I'm not pigeon holing anything - I stated that Grigris are used by rec and pro tree climbers.
A good friend of mine teaches researchers to climb in the Panama rain forests. He's been doing that for years. He teaches a RADS entry (Grigri based ascension) and then they probably switch to DdRT.
Again, if you watch my vids, you'd see I do a demo of the Eddy - I like the Grigri much better, esp. on small diameter rope. The Grigri is my 1st choice on PMI 9mm EzBend,.
@Tanglerwr Sorry are you tree climbing with these? I though we were talking rock climbing and mountaineering. Man these are descenders! Your doing a whole lotta hard work for no reason! Get a chest ascender and a pantin.... you'll make up the energy and time changing over when you need to descend by not busting your arse getting there. Better yet lop on your climb up then use spikes and a grillion to block the sucker coming down
The Grigri is commonly used in tree climbing by both recreational & professional tree climbers. The method is explained many places. The use of spikes is highly frowned upon for tree climbing. Spikes damage trees & expose them to decay and disease.
If you look at my YouTube vids, you'll see I use many climbing methods, both SRT & DdRT including rope walkers with both.
The use of a Grigri in a RADS provides a rapid ascent & descent system with little if any changeover required.
@Tanglerwr Each to thier own i guess. I cant say I've ever seen an Australian tree climbers use anythnig but prussiks and spikes to be honest.,,, but then again if your pruning palms you've got little option but spikes and if your taking the whole tree who cares about desease?
I guess you tree guys don't do big ascents so a couple metres on an descender is no big deal. In rope access its just far too slow and energy consuming
Many rec climbers use the RADS system because of the escape potential. That friend that teaches in Panama, was climbing and was viciously attacked by bees. Another friend got caught in a sudden thunder storm, so a rapid exit is important. Plus tree climbers like to be able to go up and down and in and out without requiring a changeover.
For long ascents i.e. 170 - 200 feet, sometimes ropewalkers are used and sometimes a frog sit-stand, sometimes a RADS.
I'm a "weekend warrior" arborist-in-training, of sorts. This video -- created by someone far more skilled and knowledgeable than me -- is simply excellent, and very helpful in achieving my goal of learning the art of ascending and descending a tree. Many thanks!
Go rig, its way better, more functional, and if you really work off a rope you all would understand. I have 600 ft plus descents on slopes and cliffs and have rock drill, scale, chainsaw, blast, move up down side to side and the grigri doesn't work at all for that sort of stuff its for rock climbers and the id has that stupid safety lock crap, its twice as heavy, no spring in the handle, its huge. the rig is awesome!
MrStankyStank 6 months ago
@MrStankyStank
While I tend to agree, the Grigri and now the GG2 is much smaller compared to the Rig than the Rig is compared to the I'D. I know treeclimbers that use and prefer the GG due to the much smaller size and weight. The GG2 has a leveraged handle that makes it easier to start smoothly from a stopped position. For the apps you describe or any other work positioning, the Rig makes a lot of sense. For rec tree climbing, probably the Grigri makes more sense due to the lighter weight.
Tanglerwr 6 months ago
It's a good descussion, but :
The Gri Gri is made For Sport climbing and not for industrial rope access work .
The Rig is made for industrial work at high.
Anyway , Thank you for the video
gpetleskov 1 year ago
@gpetleskov
I agree completely! In fact, I have posted that very thing many times myself. I made the video oriented more toward recreational applications, but I do want to thank you for adding this very pertinent comment. And it's worth repeating - the Rig is made for industrial work positioning and the Grigri is really made for belaying.
I know many climbers pro and rec that climb on the Grigri and it works fine in that capacity. I really can't support the Grigri for work postioning though.
Tanglerwr 1 year ago
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moomoomooism 1 year ago
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moomoomooism 1 year ago
question to the nice bloke who posted this
if the 'rig' is loaded with your weight and your on a rope mid way on a pitch and you lock off the 'rig' how easy is the 'rig' to unlock to carry on going down ?...prime example your passing a re-belay or deviation mid pitch.
can it be done with one hand (i would hope so. I also presume it would be used with a breaking carab. the person i need the info for is the wife as the petzl stop hurts her small hand if used at the moment she uses a rack by petzl
moomoomooism 1 year ago
@ErnieCosmo
Well, I have the luxury of not knowing how they perform in the wet or snow. We have little if any snow around here and the only wet I'd ever be in is rain and so far I've been able to avoid climbing in both.
But you make an excellent point. For those that need/want to use these tools in wet or snow, you should test their performance under safe controlled conditions before trying them for 'real'>
Tanglerwr 1 year ago
@Tanglerwr They work fine in the wet but I wouldn't use either the Rig or the ID for climbing they're designed for rope access not .climbing. Theyre relatively big and expensive especially the ID. Stick to a Gri Gri an Eddy or though good ole figure 8
cammcm1 1 year ago
@cammcm1
The Petzl instruction sheet and catalog applications pages illustrate how to use both the Rig and ID for climbing.
BTW, the Grigri is a belay device, not a climbing device.
Tanglerwr 1 year ago
@Tanglerwr The Rigg is specifically designed for rope access.... it even states that on the petzl promo. Ive also used ID's for the past 8 years. They dont do anything a gri gri cant do but hey if you want to spend an extra $100 & carry the extra weight feel free. Personally if I was climbing I'd want the lightest gear I could get but then I'm just a rope access technician
BTW the gri gri is a belay/descending device, if thats not a climbing device please explain to me what is?
cammcm1 1 year ago
@cammcm1
Actually the Rig does do more than a Grigri - it has a lock off position for work positioning. The Rig was designed for rope access, i.e. work, ascent, & descent. The Grigri was designed for one thing - belaying.
Although, tree climbers all over the US the Grigri in a RADS for ascending and descending. The RADS (ascending with the Grigri) is widely used as the entry method of rec tree climbers as it provides an almost instant escape if needed.
Tanglerwr 1 year ago
@Tanglerwr dude dont pegion hole the gri gri we use em for everything from rescue rigs to tight lines to pulley systems..... theyre as versatile as hell. The lock can be handy but its not qauntum leap... and you can hard lock a grigri. Dont get me wrong I love my ID and I'll get a rigg to replace it when its shot but there's nothing wrong with a grigri. Can I suggest you check out the edelrid eddy? I love em!
cammcm1 1 year ago
@cammcm1
I'm not pigeon holing anything - I stated that Grigris are used by rec and pro tree climbers.
A good friend of mine teaches researchers to climb in the Panama rain forests. He's been doing that for years. He teaches a RADS entry (Grigri based ascension) and then they probably switch to DdRT.
Again, if you watch my vids, you'd see I do a demo of the Eddy - I like the Grigri much better, esp. on small diameter rope. The Grigri is my 1st choice on PMI 9mm EzBend,.
Tanglerwr 1 year ago
@cammcm1
The Eddy discussion is here:
(youtube.com/watch?v=lnTeLAUPtc0)
The Eddy in use is here:
(youtube.com/watch?v=3RBDwyJo3_o)
Tanglerwr 1 year ago
@Tanglerwr Sorry are you tree climbing with these? I though we were talking rock climbing and mountaineering. Man these are descenders! Your doing a whole lotta hard work for no reason! Get a chest ascender and a pantin.... you'll make up the energy and time changing over when you need to descend by not busting your arse getting there. Better yet lop on your climb up then use spikes and a grillion to block the sucker coming down
cammcm1 1 year ago
@cammcm1
The Grigri is commonly used in tree climbing by both recreational & professional tree climbers. The method is explained many places. The use of spikes is highly frowned upon for tree climbing. Spikes damage trees & expose them to decay and disease.
If you look at my YouTube vids, you'll see I use many climbing methods, both SRT & DdRT including rope walkers with both.
The use of a Grigri in a RADS provides a rapid ascent & descent system with little if any changeover required.
Tanglerwr 1 year ago
@Tanglerwr Each to thier own i guess. I cant say I've ever seen an Australian tree climbers use anythnig but prussiks and spikes to be honest.,,, but then again if your pruning palms you've got little option but spikes and if your taking the whole tree who cares about desease?
I guess you tree guys don't do big ascents so a couple metres on an descender is no big deal. In rope access its just far too slow and energy consuming
cammcm1 1 year ago
@cammcm1
Many rec climbers use the RADS system because of the escape potential. That friend that teaches in Panama, was climbing and was viciously attacked by bees. Another friend got caught in a sudden thunder storm, so a rapid exit is important. Plus tree climbers like to be able to go up and down and in and out without requiring a changeover.
For long ascents i.e. 170 - 200 feet, sometimes ropewalkers are used and sometimes a frog sit-stand, sometimes a RADS.
Tanglerwr 1 year ago
Very informative review ! Thanks
tranzistr 1 year ago
I'm a "weekend warrior" arborist-in-training, of sorts. This video -- created by someone far more skilled and knowledgeable than me -- is simply excellent, and very helpful in achieving my goal of learning the art of ascending and descending a tree. Many thanks!
geoffreylnelson 1 year ago
Good presentation and good all round review.
4282richard 1 year ago
Good review cheers!
ANDIO33 1 year ago
Great presentation Ron!
papacodes 1 year ago
Ma, fetch my rifle! lol
tmcbrighton 1 year ago
nice informative review buddy
limelux 1 year ago