@davemakesawave jesus didn't sacrifice his life. if the new testament is accurate, christ traded in his imperfect human self to gain the kingdom of heaven and supreme power. where is the sacrifice in that? any one of us would die to gain absolutely everything. jesus sacrificed someone else: judas. knowing that judas had to go to hell for jesus to gain the kingdom of heaven, jesus gladly condemned judas to an eternity of hellfire. judas sacrificed everything; jesus gained everything.
@ghoststar I didn't know there were two bibles; you obviously have the other one because all the translations I have ever read are completely different to your description. You sound slightly mad if you don't mind my saying so. Entertaining though.
@davemakesawave ok then, what did i say that was incorrect? did jesus not return to heaven and sit at the right hand of god (christian version) upon his ascendance? was judas not condemned to hell for all eternity? did jesus not know that judas HAD to betray him? i'm curious... which of these is incorrect? i'm not an atheist, i'm agnostic. and so i believe anyone who claims that they're sure the christian god is the only true god is as bad as anyone who claims they're sure there is no god.
@davemakesawave the worst thing about ppl like u is that u never use your GOD-GIVEN (irony) power of reason. u know, the very thing that separates us from the beasts. jesus had everything his entire life. devout followers, magic powers, wisdom, prescience. and then he was killed and gained infinitely more. a nobody who works hard labor 50 hours a week for 50 years to support his family has it far worse. and yet christians keep talking about god's and christ's sacrifice. what sacrifice?
@davemakesawave whenever christians intone how GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD HE GAVE HIS ONLY SON... gave? maybe he lent, but never gave. and for 33 years? that's a blink of an eye to an infinite being. and he KNEW that jesus would return to him cuz.... oh yeah, he's omniscient. there is just so much man cannot be sure of. but one thing man can be sure of is that, taken literally, the new testament is a great example of the absurd. read the gospel of THOMAS. of the gospels, this one rings the most true
@davemakesawave so since everything i said was true u decide merely to argue that thomas is not a gosepl? haha. THOMAS IS IN FACT A GOSPEL. when charlemagne ordered the books to be compiled into one bible, they left out a lot of books, including the gospel of thomas, which paints a much more human image of jesus than the other gospels. for someone who claims to have read several differen biblical translations, u certainly don't seem too well informed.
@ghoststar still bitching huh? The bible was not compiled by one man. The Holy Spirit guided many different groups of early believers to compile the books which make up the bible and when these groups finally held a council on the matter they were astonished to find that they were all using the same books already as the Spirit of God gave them discernment. Thomas was not included; there are loads of false gospels around and they are of no value. Thanks.
@davemakesawave wrong. charlemagne ordered his priests to compile the christian books to make a bible. prior to that, there was no bound bible (as the vast majority of christians couldn't read, and chrisitanity itself was yet to be solidified as a prominent religion). thomas wasn't included only cuz his version of jesus was deemed to not be conducive of converting others toward christianity. but the general info in his gospel is the same as the 4 others. where r u getting your history?
@davemakesawave look at all my comments and look at all of yours. mine r specific as yours r always so general (u merely reject my arguments and leave it at that with no supporting facts). that's fine, as i've learned over the years this is the way of the religious (my father became a presbyterian elder when i was 6 and my mother recently became an exhorter; i love them, especially because they allow me my own beliefs). if you're going to argue, please abstain from being so general and vague.
@ghoststar Regarding your incessant moaning that Jesus didn't sacrifice much such as a man like me who works 50 hours a week for sake of his family, you clearly don't understand the biblical doctrine of sacrifice and atonement and you keep drawing a nonsensical analogy with every day hardship. That Christ died for our sins does not compare at all.
@davemakesawave clearly u only believe in the SPIRITUAL versions of history, where god plays a part in absolutely everything. so to u, it could only make sense that there would be some serendipitous path toward the compilation of the bible. to u there couldn't possibly be political reasons as to why the bible was printed. everything has to be fantastical and magical. people like u r the false prophets, spreading superstition over facts.
@davemakesawave that's my point. it wasn't printed, it was hand-copied. therefore it would've been highly unlikely that all those separate groups possessed all the copies of all those books. and u think i'm being a bigot by claiming massive illiteracy during the middle ages? ask any medieval historian. and who r u to say what books r and aren't GOD INSPIRED? if christ dying for our sins doesn't compare to mundane toiling and human suffering, then please, explain to me how christ suffered more.
@davemakesawave u say the holy spirit guided many different groups to create different bibles, and by chance each group compiled the same exact books. tell me, how did these groups happen to get all these particular books of the bible if there were no printing presses, and if literacy was nearly nonexistent among the religious at this period in history? learn european history of the middle ages. war and politics drove emporers to adopt christianity. and charlemagne commissioned the first bible.
@ghoststar Hmm. "Literacy nearly non-existent among the religious of that time" sounds very similar to that racist world view that the great and highly sophisticated nation of Israel were just a collection of stone age goat herders. Your questions do not merit a direct reply.
and please do not say god sacrificed his only son. god, knowing full well jesus would return to him, sent his son to earth for 33 years (a blink of an eye for an eternal being). half of those 33 years, jesus had superpowers and was followed around like a rock star. then he suffers for a few days, then gains all the world. sounds like a pretty awesome deal to me. there were no sacrifices made at all. the only true sacrifices made in the bible r the innocent humans that god keeps killing.
He was in Berne yesterday, I saw him at a youth day
SteenJdaPenspinna 1 year ago
@ davemakesawave: Lovely is the right word for it :-]
We are so much blessed with Jesus.
MeinJesusLebt 1 year ago
Gah, I hate religion...
snakeweirdo 2 years ago
Oh I love this song....We sing it at a home meeting......Beautiful :)
pttrxa 2 years ago
Favourite christian song of all time. God is great, aint he?
t1125im 2 years ago
O_O
What he's doing is great in God's sight. Don't you get it?
michaelatm2603 2 years ago
Love this song - very simple, yet profound lyrics.
sewebel 2 years ago
Where's his hair gone?
haha
leeperryismerry 2 years ago
Well maybe he's got a haircut. Praise God anyway for what he did.
michaelatm2603 2 years ago
get a hair cut?
sorry just being silly now
leeperryismerry 2 years ago
For some years ago, still in the meantime!
Philipp23091983 2 years ago
Yes, I´m afraid for that also!
Philipp23091983 2 years ago
What a lovely song about the Son of God who laid down His life. We should be ready to do likewise.
GhostDog65 seems to have missed the point a little...
davemakesawave 2 years ago 5
Naw, don't think so. Most of you pussy cats would not lay your life down for anything.
GhostDog65 2 years ago
@davemakesawave This lovely song is sang worldwide mate.... Yeah an awesome inspired song
shcoke2 1 year ago
@davemakesawave jesus didn't sacrifice his life. if the new testament is accurate, christ traded in his imperfect human self to gain the kingdom of heaven and supreme power. where is the sacrifice in that? any one of us would die to gain absolutely everything. jesus sacrificed someone else: judas. knowing that judas had to go to hell for jesus to gain the kingdom of heaven, jesus gladly condemned judas to an eternity of hellfire. judas sacrificed everything; jesus gained everything.
ghoststar 8 months ago
@ghoststar I didn't know there were two bibles; you obviously have the other one because all the translations I have ever read are completely different to your description. You sound slightly mad if you don't mind my saying so. Entertaining though.
davemakesawave 8 months ago
@davemakesawave ok then, what did i say that was incorrect? did jesus not return to heaven and sit at the right hand of god (christian version) upon his ascendance? was judas not condemned to hell for all eternity? did jesus not know that judas HAD to betray him? i'm curious... which of these is incorrect? i'm not an atheist, i'm agnostic. and so i believe anyone who claims that they're sure the christian god is the only true god is as bad as anyone who claims they're sure there is no god.
ghoststar 8 months ago
@davemakesawave the worst thing about ppl like u is that u never use your GOD-GIVEN (irony) power of reason. u know, the very thing that separates us from the beasts. jesus had everything his entire life. devout followers, magic powers, wisdom, prescience. and then he was killed and gained infinitely more. a nobody who works hard labor 50 hours a week for 50 years to support his family has it far worse. and yet christians keep talking about god's and christ's sacrifice. what sacrifice?
ghoststar 8 months ago
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davemakesawave 7 months ago
@davemakesawave whenever christians intone how GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD HE GAVE HIS ONLY SON... gave? maybe he lent, but never gave. and for 33 years? that's a blink of an eye to an infinite being. and he KNEW that jesus would return to him cuz.... oh yeah, he's omniscient. there is just so much man cannot be sure of. but one thing man can be sure of is that, taken literally, the new testament is a great example of the absurd. read the gospel of THOMAS. of the gospels, this one rings the most true
ghoststar 8 months ago
@ghoststar Thomas is not a gospel.
davemakesawave 8 months ago
@davemakesawave so since everything i said was true u decide merely to argue that thomas is not a gosepl? haha. THOMAS IS IN FACT A GOSPEL. when charlemagne ordered the books to be compiled into one bible, they left out a lot of books, including the gospel of thomas, which paints a much more human image of jesus than the other gospels. for someone who claims to have read several differen biblical translations, u certainly don't seem too well informed.
ghoststar 8 months ago
@ghoststar still bitching huh? The bible was not compiled by one man. The Holy Spirit guided many different groups of early believers to compile the books which make up the bible and when these groups finally held a council on the matter they were astonished to find that they were all using the same books already as the Spirit of God gave them discernment. Thomas was not included; there are loads of false gospels around and they are of no value. Thanks.
davemakesawave 8 months ago
@davemakesawave wrong. charlemagne ordered his priests to compile the christian books to make a bible. prior to that, there was no bound bible (as the vast majority of christians couldn't read, and chrisitanity itself was yet to be solidified as a prominent religion). thomas wasn't included only cuz his version of jesus was deemed to not be conducive of converting others toward christianity. but the general info in his gospel is the same as the 4 others. where r u getting your history?
ghoststar 8 months ago
@ghoststar Thomas confirms who and what Jesus was; that's fine. But as a literary work it was not God inspired, that is clear.
davemakesawave 7 months ago
@davemakesawave look at all my comments and look at all of yours. mine r specific as yours r always so general (u merely reject my arguments and leave it at that with no supporting facts). that's fine, as i've learned over the years this is the way of the religious (my father became a presbyterian elder when i was 6 and my mother recently became an exhorter; i love them, especially because they allow me my own beliefs). if you're going to argue, please abstain from being so general and vague.
ghoststar 7 months ago
@ghoststar Regarding your incessant moaning that Jesus didn't sacrifice much such as a man like me who works 50 hours a week for sake of his family, you clearly don't understand the biblical doctrine of sacrifice and atonement and you keep drawing a nonsensical analogy with every day hardship. That Christ died for our sins does not compare at all.
davemakesawave 7 months ago
@davemakesawave clearly u only believe in the SPIRITUAL versions of history, where god plays a part in absolutely everything. so to u, it could only make sense that there would be some serendipitous path toward the compilation of the bible. to u there couldn't possibly be political reasons as to why the bible was printed. everything has to be fantastical and magical. people like u r the false prophets, spreading superstition over facts.
ghoststar 8 months ago
@ghoststar Nope, just plain facts and the bible wasn't printed in those days it was hand copied, it even says so within the bible.
davemakesawave 7 months ago
@davemakesawave that's my point. it wasn't printed, it was hand-copied. therefore it would've been highly unlikely that all those separate groups possessed all the copies of all those books. and u think i'm being a bigot by claiming massive illiteracy during the middle ages? ask any medieval historian. and who r u to say what books r and aren't GOD INSPIRED? if christ dying for our sins doesn't compare to mundane toiling and human suffering, then please, explain to me how christ suffered more.
ghoststar 7 months ago
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ghoststar 8 months ago
@davemakesawave u say the holy spirit guided many different groups to create different bibles, and by chance each group compiled the same exact books. tell me, how did these groups happen to get all these particular books of the bible if there were no printing presses, and if literacy was nearly nonexistent among the religious at this period in history? learn european history of the middle ages. war and politics drove emporers to adopt christianity. and charlemagne commissioned the first bible.
ghoststar 8 months ago
@ghoststar Hmm. "Literacy nearly non-existent among the religious of that time" sounds very similar to that racist world view that the great and highly sophisticated nation of Israel were just a collection of stone age goat herders. Your questions do not merit a direct reply.
davemakesawave 7 months ago
and please do not say god sacrificed his only son. god, knowing full well jesus would return to him, sent his son to earth for 33 years (a blink of an eye for an eternal being). half of those 33 years, jesus had superpowers and was followed around like a rock star. then he suffers for a few days, then gains all the world. sounds like a pretty awesome deal to me. there were no sacrifices made at all. the only true sacrifices made in the bible r the innocent humans that god keeps killing.
ghoststar 8 months ago