Is that little gal the only kid in that school with a peanut allergy? My sons have peanut allergies & their school has a 'peanut free' class for each grade level and places peanut allergic kids in that room-other parents can have their kids in another classroom if they don't want the hastle. It works well & everyone has been helpful & cooperative-even going out of their way to have safe foods for class parties, etc. I don't believe I could give my kids a good education home schooling.
I think they should just ban peanuts. A lot of the schools (probably all by now) have banned peanuts and everyone seems ok with it. If you're a picky eater and only eat pbj sandwiches, well suck it up. have some more variety in your diet, it's good for you. eat things with peanuts at home, at a restaurant!
I understand why they would band peanuts from schools. But kids will be kids and they will do what they want at times. So what if this kid drops dead because of another kid eats a peanut. Does that mean the kid will be charged for murder? I think parents on both sides needs to know what will happen if this does occur. I don't think anyone wants to send their kid to school knowing if they ate a peanut they could kill someone and on top of that be charged for it.
Having kids wash their hands before class and after lunch would probably have a positive impact on the overall health of the school, especially during cold and flu season!:) This is a story where compromise need to be made. We should teach this to our children and be better examples of it ourselves!
@yafola1 I totally agree, but I also agree with what Ana pointed out: kids aren't known for being super reliable with stuff like that, and all it would take would be one slip-up to possibly kill this kid. I'd be concerned if I was her parent, even if they did put these rules in place.
@ShalomDove Adults are that great either, for that matter!:) When you think about it, it is difficult. Even foods that do not contain peanuts may be manufactured in plants that also process peanuts. Mistakes are easy to make.
the best thing about peanut allergies is, after holidays (x-mas, valentines) all the special MnM's go on sale. and there is ALWAYS plain MnM's left over.
my sister is allergic to peanuts and other nuts she still went to school though if she was school dinners (rarely) they made her a special meal without any nuts in :P
I can see it now the teacher calls in sick so a sub teaches and no one tells him or her. about the peanut allergy and he or she brings something with it. as there lunch and proof the girl's in the ER this is a ticking time bomb people...!
I've had peanut allergies all my life and I will phrase it like this: Miserable. Lunch and snack sucked, could barely eat stuff. And YES, I could die because of those cheap sandwiches!
If these precautions are at all reasonable then there is no way it is safe for her to attend. Even surgeons and doctors don't keep up 100% with hand washing rules, do you think kids will?
And what happens when someone leaves peanut residue on their homework, which is then transferred to their hands and eventually to something she will touch?
I am allergic to peanuts, and I DID finally have to be homeschooled because my school refused to make ANY accommodations for me, so I just kept having reactions until my parents gave public education the middle finger and pulled me out.
Before they did that, my teachers taught me to be ashamed of what I am. To think of myself as a freak because of my allergy, and to hate myself because I am "inconvenient."
I think the people who are trying to get the little girl removed from the school are jerks. Wash your hands after lunch and before you come in? You should be washing your hands anyway! Rinse your mouth? Takes a few seconds at most, and probably good for your teeth.
As for accidents, an inhaler or epee pen should be kept in the classroom. Maybe even a peanut free table in the cafeteria. This all sounds reasonable to me when you're talking about someone's life
1) Not everyone is qualified to homeschool their child.
2) The inconvenience to the little girl, if she misses out on attending school FAR outweighs the inconvenience to the others when they wash and rinse.
3) Severe allergies are only going to become more and more common as our environment continues to become more toxic. The other children are better off learning now how to deal with it.
@geekforlifevandc Allergies are hypersensitivity disorder of the immune system. Allergies in a lot of cases can cause death. There are people who are allergic to peanuts. Allergies can happen to anyone not just people in the us but everyone. I highly doubt that statement what you just said is true. You don't know everyone in Europe so how would know. Just because you don't know what know what they does not mean everyone else don't.
I have a friend that is the same way as this little girl, she had to leave the class room because someone had a peanutbutter sandwitch in a ziplock bag in there bag but it wasnt zipped closed so she had to leave and go home. It's so sad :( I know alot of ppl like this, it isnt that much to ask when its a matter of a childs life.
My school has an extensive anaphylaxis safety program- no peanuts allowed, whether they're in a box on your hands or breath. Seriously, all schools should be nut free, regardless of the number of people who are allergic.
No, schools shouldn't be that way. I can only eat certain things because I am a picky eater and so everyday for lunch I eat a peanut butter sandwich. Oh and no one in our school is allergic to peanuts.
O.K., What's going to happen when she reaches the age of 18? Are we around her workplace going to have to wash our mouths too? Where does her rights end and ours win?
@chmellen Workplaces HAVE to make accommodations for people's disabilities already- people in wheelchairs need ramps and parking spaces at their workplaces to work there. People wash their hands and mouths when working in kitchens, factories and most socially-based jobs (where you shake hands and speak)- why can't they in offices? You can't just reject people from the world because they're different.
@chmellen Her rights end when your peanut breath kills her because you wanted to "win." I'm sure she'd find a college with policies about nuts, and warn future employers. Both would have to comply with the ADA any ways because of federal law. Poor girl won't even live that long if someone this selfish comes her way. Did Ayn Rand write a chapter on screwing with the disabled or something?
Tea party reaction: "WHAT?! My son has to wash his hands because of someone else has a problem with peanuts? Well guess what! My son and I love peanut butter, and it's American dammit! It says on the label! That's right! I buy my food at a store, and I don't want no goddamn communist socialist anti-american peanut-ban. You can't make peanuts kontraband because you want to put us in FEMA-camps where we all we get to eat is salads!
GOD WILL NOT ALLOW YOUR SOCIALISM TO WIN! I'm getting my gun!!!"
@MyTemporaryAccount88 ...but as soon as that tea partier has a kid with a peanut allergy... "How dare you allow other students to come near my child with peanut butter on thier breath! The teacher should require all of them to wash out hier mouths after lunch--don;t you understand how serious this is?"
Everbody seems to be forgetting that not everyone can afford to homeschool their kids. It isn't only the well off or rich that are affected with hypersensitive allergy kids. Do you prepose another entitlement program that the repubs can attack? One that will ensure that all kids can be educated in the home if needed? They are already going after school lunch programs. That's why it looks like people just don't want to be inconvenienced. They don't want the kids, but don't want a solution either
Clearly it is a travesty that elementary school students should be forced to wash their hands and brush their teeth. Sounds like a fantastic way to teach kids proper hygiene and instill good dental hygiene habits from a young age. Why don't we have all the kids in all the elementary schools brush their teeth?
In Chicago, a 13-year-old 7th grader died at a school lunch party when she was served Chinese food that was contaminated with peanuts. She had a known peanut allergy and the restaurant that prepared the meal was told about the peanut allergy and was instructed to avoid all peanut products when preparing the class meal.
The lunch was an end-of-the year party in December. The case is getting attention again because the parents are suing the restaurant that served the meals.
this is horrible. they're not asking for an "inconvenience", they're forcing a responsibility onto all the other students. And thats' unacceptable to put that one's student's health (which is a bizarre, unusual situation) in the hands of hundreds of children.
She should be home schooled. I don't care if its unfair, but there are stupid kids who will bring peanuts no matter what. I can see this child in severe danger while in school
Seeing as I live in Florida...I'm not surprised that these parents react like that and looking back at how gross kids were in Elementary school I think kids should be required to wash their hands after lunch..etc anyways too many germs spreading. I remember I couldn't stand my school....snotty nose kids,sneezing....etc *Shivers*
Teachers should be taught how to use an EpiPen. Students with the allergy should be required to have one on their person as well as having a few in the office. It's not that big of a deal to ban peanut products, is it?
It's either rinse your mouth or banning peanut butter. I don't think it is outrageous to expect people to do their part in helping a fellow schoolmate. I agree with Ana that it is dangerous for the child to go to school, but she has to live with this allergy for the rest of her life. I am sure she carries an Epi pen and she needs to learn how and when to self administer it.
@RPGchannel Yea, I'm pretty sure somebody in my class would have smeared peanut butter on her within the first month of the school year. The girl is in for a terrible life, at least the first 18 years.
Cenk and Ana, you need to know that if the school can not accommodate the child in the classroom, the school MUST pay for the child to be educated outside the classroom! The parents do NOT have to pay. It is part of the American's With Disabilities Act.
I can slightly see the point of the other parents.
Back when I was that age, there were a lot of kids that would bring their own lunch and the most comment thing was PB&J. And we also had snack breaks in class rooms, and once again PB&J was the favorite, or candy bars like snickers or reeces.....
And yet we had a kid with a sever allergy like her, but he only had a once time reaction over all the years he was in school....
What was the story about? I was too busy watching Cenk's head smear across the screen. 3:29 kind of looks like a fade. Next time you get your hair cut Cenk, think about it...just sayin'...
I don't think there are any public schools in the GTA (Greater Toronto Area) that allow peanuts to come through the door. These allergies are really common.
Hell, I grew up in the north of Canada, and there was only 2 of us with allergies (myself and another boy), and they weren't allowed in the school. Like my boyfriend always says, Americans culture is about ME, Canadian culture is about WE.
The real issue is this. If the child were honestly, that seriously alergic to peanuts, that even having them somewhere in the environment, the child would already be DEAD. We are a nation that thrives on peanuts and they are pervasive.. The first time someone gave the child a candy bar the child would have slipped into massive alergic shock, and usually the way people find out about this allergy is by giving their child a peanut butter sandwich. This story is bullshit.
All unwarranted sexual innuendo aside though, peanut allergies are no joke. I worked with a kid who had the same allergy and apparently he was at risk of falling into a coma minutes after being exposed to peanuts.
@mnkittel The public school system understands that and is doing everything they can to support and protect the girl. No one said the girl doesn't have the right to a public education and the school system isn't trying to boot her out. But remember that the little girl's rights end where the other students begin and that the other students shouldn't have to give up their rights for her. It works both ways.
@Joxman2k right, so blind kids deserve to have every single class put into braille, and make sure every single class has a sign-language speaker for deaf kids. totally.
oh wait, no, that's why special needs kids are separated from the general population.
@Joxman2k so you're asserting we should do those things for blind and deaf kids? Make every single classroom capable of teaching them? Is that really what you're saying?
I mean, i'd rather you say it like that yourself before we all decide how much of a retard you sound like ZING
@Joxman2k wow, you really are retarded. i guess that's why you care so much about meeting special needs.
And i don't need to tell you shit. You're asserting something stupid here, you need to try and back it up. I'd LOVE to hear your reasons EVERYONE needs to know braille and sign language.
@EpicnessInABox Then they should live in a bubble like bubble boy. Seriously... WTF? "I'm allergic to air!" If it's that bad they should probably be home-schooled. I would say that's pretty rare though.
Homeschool kinda sucks, do you realize how much of a normal life that would destroy? It's not that hard to wash your hands and mouths, and also it would help other things since a lot of people don't wash their hands at all.
I have to disagree with this one. This child should be homeschooled. The main problem i see with this is that this wont be just this year. This will be a k through 12 issue. I think also you have to look at the severe life threatening issue.What if some other 6 year old child hands this girl a cookie? This child dies the other child will be scarred for life. No, this child should be homeschooled. Its not a matter of the inconvenience. Its a matter of the accountability.
If we can take washing our hands a bit more seriously for the H1N1 then we can do it to accomadate another classmate. I don't think peanuts should be allowed on the menu or in the vending machines because there's plenty of other snacks and there's nothing wrong with adjusting. If I were the principal I would make sure that all my children are safe and would not disciminate on the disabled children or teachers. Have a heart.
If we can take washing our hands a bit more seriously for the H1N1 then we can do it to accomadate another classmate. I don't think peanuts should be allowed on the menu or in the vending machines because there's plenty of other snacks and there's nothing wrong with adjusting. If I were the principal I would make sure that all my children are safe and would not disciminate on the disabled children or teachers. Have a heart.
It's not really fair to tell a little girl she can't come to school because some parents of her peers think that their child having to wash his/her hands will take precious minutes away from her learning experiences. Meanwhile, forcing a girl into home school is okay, it'll just rob her of her life's social experiences making her incompetent in the real world. x.x When did we all become so entitled and stupid?
I think it's great that children will be forced to learn that their own personal hygiene effects those around them. The kids at that school will be different than every other school in the US, they won't be waking germ factories.
Seriously. They have to wash their hands and rinse their mouth. Not a big deal. Yes it probably can be annoying, but YOU WON'T KILL A 6 YEAR OLD GIRL. But like TYT said, these are 6 year olds, someone's bound to slip up. But they probably have like epi-pens and whatever the hell else is used to stop allergic reactions. But it still sounds pretty dangerous to me.
Cenk, actually if they had to hire a teacher to home school their child it would be paid for by the taxpayers under the ADA. It happens to other kids who for some reason or other can't get to school.
I also have an extremely severe peanut allergy. I can't even be in the same room as a pb&j sandwich and I went to public school from k-12, and you know what? There were some slip ups along the way, but I learned how to protect myself and make my allergy MY problem and not other people's. This little girl needs to learn about her allergy and how to make it work in the world around her. School's take the time and effort to help other kids with disabilities, why not this kid too?
@cloudvszell I completely accept the personal responsibility aspect of it, but i also reject the idea that a person with a condition should be shunned from a community MEARLY on the basis of people not wanting to be inconvienenced. There are unreasonable standards and there are reasonable ones. We shouldn't all have to be in bubbles to prevent spreading disease and illness to highly suseptable patients, but it isn't that big of a de3al to wash your mouth out after a meal. Brush 3 times a day.
@Thayer79 but this isn mearly an inconvenience of a few a school has anywhere between a few hundred and a couple thousand people this person will trouble any one she ever works with, goes out with, and so on the number of people effected by the time that person passes will be probably close to 10k or more. but look at this way the person know she has an allergy so she isnt going to go to a bar where they serve nuts she isnt going to go to a restaurant where they use nut she isnt
@Thayer79 going to eat or use any product with nuts in it but she will go to a school that has a cafeteria and tell them they have to change and every student in the school can no longer bring the stuff what happens if she works in an office building all the people there cant bring anything with nuts have to take all the snickers and peanuts out of the vending machine so its not a few inconveniences
@cloudvszell What in this entire story said that they are taking those kinds of steps? They want kids to wash their mouths and hands. That's all that's been said. Besides you are advocating that as an adult she should just stay home and live on disability, because she might effect our everyday lives. Who cares how many people are inconvienced. It's the level of inconvience that is the point. Our society shouldn't be built on hiding those that may negatively effect our lives.
@cloudvszell It is self absorbed to think that anyone who may force us to change our daily habits deserves to be pushed from society in order to make sure we aren't inconvienenced. I've seen a trend of this in a lot of places and it sickens me. We live in a world with disease and disability. I think it's the same thing that drives lack of support for the impoverished. So long as it doesn't affect us then we tend to do little about it.
@Thayer79 it sickens me as well but im also realistic about this allergy its something that is going to happen more and more its been on the rise for years the only way to truly prevent it is to ban all peanuts in everything but its not going to happen but i also understand that if im suffering from something its my responsibility to take care of my condition not the worlds if i knownly go somewhere i know i should go its my fault
@cloudvszell But you could say the same thing about diseases. Maybe we should cut funding of healthcare for all disease and illness patients. It's not exactly the same thing, but the point is we are all being inconvienced by one person or another and sweeping them under a rug isn't how to deal with them. I don't think having some basic standards that allows all humans to be a part of society is unrealistic. We have handicapped parking and wheelchair ramps amongst other things, for a reason.
@Thayer79 as ive missed some of your comments first no im not saying this person should stay at home and live on disability im saying that she should be taught to be more aware and choose where she works carefully ie not in a restaurant or in a peanut factory or a grocery store. so smart choices as for the home schooling no im against it one of my thoughs about it was making a either one school this way and ake all the kids with this allergy go there instead of 10 other schools
@cloudvszell Ok that I wouldn't have as much of a problem with, but the issue is it is unrealistic. We can't just build a new school for kids with allergens everytime a new kids comes into the system and communities and districts are too big to assume that the people should be able to commute anywhere. We're talking about constantly building new ones or have a localized one that parents from all over would have to commute to. It sounds good in theory, but wouldn't work.
@Thayer79 you could create and should create a hypoallergenic school especially for these people with severe allergies like bee stings, peanut butter and so one with none of these things in there people there would actually be trained to know what to do in a situation where some one goes into anaphylactic shock. soe schools dont require teachers to know and it could end up saving there life it would be no different from having classes for handicapped children they have people who know how to
@cloudvszell So why don't we just make it a prerequisite for teachers to learn this? This still doesn't mean it would be feasible to create seperate schools. besides why is ok to tell bee sting allergy kids they can't have peanut anything, but let the rest of the kids in other schools have it? It's still inconviencing kids and parents not affected by certain foods. Lastly. Why is it so horrible that kids don't have peanut/sea food anything at school? Why is it so important to have it?
@Thayer79 because ig you went through all the food related alergies you would be supprised im allergic to milk and eggs so whould milk and eggs be banned some people are allergic to cinammon some to cocount the list goes on because its an immune response we can virtually become allergic to anything the reason why peanut and see food are so bad is because they are cheap and they can be caused by smell honestly a can of pb is what under 10 buck and feed a kid for lunch for almost 2 months
@Thayer79 where other sources like ham for 5 bucks can feed them for 3 days and expires quickly so if you want a why is it important it is because of cost effectiveness and promotes good health by being a high source of protein. as for a kid with bee sting allergy being in the same boat because he would need the same info about allergies as the kid with pb a school set up that way would actually be able to take time and explain to the kid there allergy and how to watc h for it they cant
@cloudvszell That still doesn't answer why a kid with bee sting allergies shouldn't be allowed to have pb or any number of other foods that you listed as allergens. In this school the PB kids couldn't have sea food or strawberries and vice versa. and it still doesn't fix the commuting issue that would be involved. Or the constant building of seperate schools. I still think the most feasible route would be educating kids AND teachers about these practices, nor do I agree with an outright ban.
@Thayer79 get that in public school as its a set curriculum and as for all teachers having to know it are you willing to pay all teachers a couple thousand more each year for that info as its not you lean once you know it for life its a constantly changing field leaning they would have to take special classes every year just to stay on top it all or pay a few specialty teachers to stay on top of it and teach it to the kids that need to know it?
@Thayer79 that being said you cant lump diseases under allergies yes disease is rampant in society but we do it to our selves we feed live stock with bone meals and antibiotics causing prions and super bugs we insist on super clean homes antibacterial stations everywhere and all it does is kill our own helpful bacterial and weakens out immune system and again create super bugs so the disease issue is a self inflicted issue
@cloudvszell It's not about how preventable it is. that's something we are constantly working on. it's about what to do once someone has the issue. Whether a disease, illness, or allgergy. Besides the one thing that hasn't been said is. How can we expect all people in a certain catagory do the same thing. You work under the presupposition that all parents of kids with allergies has the ability to homeschool. Should we raise taxes to ensure they stay away from us? That wouldn't go over well in US
@Thayer79 so they are not all imposing the same rules cause if thats the case you might as well ban it completely. also your right peanut butter isnt a necessity for schools to function but it is for growing kids it is a cheap source of protein that does not expire after 3 days like other sources and once peanut butter is stopped next will be tuna because of sea food allergies and so one
@cloudvszell I still don't get why you think that they are banning anything? They mearly require that kids wash a little more to avoid cross contamination and exposure. That's it. Unless I missed something in this story.
@Thayer79 why because its only a matter of time my public went through this when i was in grade 8 a kindergarten had the allergy so bad the smell of it could cause them to have an episode so they removed all things with nuts from the school and banned it once this kid has an episode after these rules are imposed the next step will be to ban it and those who bring it will be in trouble so as for why past experience
@Thayer79 i don't know what its like where you are but my speed limit point should have proved my point where i am the speed limit on the highway is 90km at any given tie the speed that people go is 120 most go over the speed limit not at it. as for banning cars no just like you shouldn't ban peanut butter from school if im deathly allergic to peanut butter im not going to go where its common just like if im blind im not going to start driving down a highway
@cloudvszell Ok. The cars part doesn't fit because of differences where we live, but the peanut butter thing is silly. It's about a direct correlation to what is needed to what is not. Nobody is banning peanut butter at the schools. They just want kids to take an extra step in hygiene to avoid, not absolutely prevent, a problem. Besides peanut butter isn't a prerequisite for the school to function or the kids to learn. Being able to see, however, IS a prerequisite to driving.
what if one of the other kids slips up? more like "when" and "deliberately"... kids are nasty, viscious, spitefull little creatures, especially at that age. one of them will expose her to peanuts for fun or revenge, it's inevitable. The best she can hope for is that the teachers are trained, on hand, and have quick access to epinephrine when the inevitable happens.
I can't remember what comedian said it, but if you're kid's allergies are severe enough that they'll die if my kid talks to them after eating a snickers bar - don't get too attached.
I know it sounds cruel, but Ana's point at the end is kinda what I'm getting at - if you want to keep them safe, keep them home. It would only be until they're old enough to understand they have to look out for their own safety rather than relying on everyone else.
We have a similar issue with latex at our school, where a kid is allergic to it as well, to the point where no balloons, rubber bands and such can be allowed in the school. We took the proper precautions, and all is well now, and in 3 years when he graduates, you can go back to how it was before.
It's a fairly small allowance to make to allow this kid to have a fairly normal life. And being at school and having plenty of social interaction is important. When the inconvenience is small as it is here I find it sad that some demand she be homeschooled, effectively ostracising her unneccesarily.
@catchlightdame Ok but if your kid had a severe peanut allergy how would the you react to a similar argument made by another parent. Because what you're saying is what your kid wants to eat is more important than the health risk it could then pose to other children.
@coma0789 I was not making an argument, I was just responding to the other persons comment stating that I have a similar problem. I would never put another child endanger. I am just at a loss as to what I can send my son for lunch and was hoping for some advice. Do you have children, because convincing a 4 year old of anything is near impossible!
You have this problem and you are going to make it my problem, I'll eat enough peanuts that a horse near me would drop dead and wouldn't be rinsing anything.
I feel sorry for the girl. She probably just wants a normal life, to go to a normal school, socialize with friends. I don't think it's a huge inconvenience to add the rule ''no peanuts allowed'' to the list of already in place rules. Kids aren't allowed to bring guns to school, or knives. So it's a little extreme to think of a peanut as a gun, but for this poor girl it's just as lethal. I don't think it's asking too much for the kids and their parents to have compassion for this poor child.
I was able bodied until the moment I was disabled. In these kinds of discussions people need to understand that they or someone they care about could be disabled in the next moment. Tough call I say let her try to have a normal life as much as possible long as possible let her attend school.
How about putting a breathing air filter around her mouth. Instead of making 25 kids take all The precautions, why not just have her wear long sleeve shirts and pants with gloves. Bam, safe
i dont have any kids. i was making a point dipshit.
im saying there are people that would do that on purpose. or unknowingly. peanuts are everywhere and in everything. my mom can only eat about twenty five food items. she is sixty four years old.
she learned to live that many years ago when she was young and the schools did not change all rules for her. she had the problem so she adapted. im not a diabetic so i dont take insulin should i becus i went to school with one. NO
i dont have any kids. i was making a point dipshit.
im saying there are people that would do that on purpose. or unknowingly. peanuts are everywhere and in everything. my mom can only eat about twenty five food items. she is sixty four years old.
she learned to uvive that many years ago when she wass young and the schools did not. change all rules for her. she had the problem so she adapted. im not a diabetic so i dont take insulin should i because i went to school with one
They have service dogs that are trained to detect peanuts and I think she really needs to get one of those if it's that bad. This way she doesn't have to worry about her life being in danger.
@flipperbaby47 We're breeding a nation of people not wanting to be assholes. Allergies are serious and if you're lucky enough to not have to realize that be happy but also don't be a dick.
Not only does she not have her own opinion, but Ana adopts soooo many of Cenk's stupid mannerisms.
"What I love about this story is...."
"Look, blah, blah blah..." Every other sentence starts with "Look"
Ending every 3rd sentence with "Right?"
So, with an agressive grandstanding blowhard (albeit an articulate one) such as Cenk as her boss, you really expect Ana to have her own opinion? Even in this clip, you get the sense that she had one originally. Key word: "had"
At some point the parent would have to consider another alternative, if not home schooling....a smaller class setting that can some what control this kinda thing. Imagine the kid being in highshcool...constantly changing classes throughout the day.
Im finding myself disagreeing a lot with the young turks recently.
What if we had a immune-compromised child, should we all have to wear masks, sterilize our hands,and keep hospital level cleanliness in our schools? No probably not, so where is the line?
In the end, forcing 6 year olds to be so studious about cleanliness will just indoctrinate her classmates to become germaphobes. Cenk-bounds of reason. Washing out their mouths seems too far, banning peanuts (necessary for them) is too much.
That kid has at least two things going in her favor. Nobody seems to be looking at them. One, lots of "public" schools have looked into multimedia ways of helping, both permanent, and temporarily homebound children. To be fair, her school system should look into that. With no or very little expense to the family. Two, it has been published, that doctors have found, if not a cure, a possible way to combat allergies, especially food ones...
Is that little gal the only kid in that school with a peanut allergy? My sons have peanut allergies & their school has a 'peanut free' class for each grade level and places peanut allergic kids in that room-other parents can have their kids in another classroom if they don't want the hastle. It works well & everyone has been helpful & cooperative-even going out of their way to have safe foods for class parties, etc. I don't believe I could give my kids a good education home schooling.
GRH1020 1 month ago
I think they should just ban peanuts. A lot of the schools (probably all by now) have banned peanuts and everyone seems ok with it. If you're a picky eater and only eat pbj sandwiches, well suck it up. have some more variety in your diet, it's good for you. eat things with peanuts at home, at a restaurant!
chouhone 1 month ago
that's why we have PUBLIC schools
debaser71 2 months ago
I understand why they would band peanuts from schools. But kids will be kids and they will do what they want at times. So what if this kid drops dead because of another kid eats a peanut. Does that mean the kid will be charged for murder? I think parents on both sides needs to know what will happen if this does occur. I don't think anyone wants to send their kid to school knowing if they ate a peanut they could kill someone and on top of that be charged for it.
TheHappilyInsane 2 months ago
Its so ridiculous that these procedures had to be put in place just to make child safe, she should just be homeschooled if the allergy is so severe.
IHATEALLERGICPEOPLE 2 months ago 2
Having kids wash their hands before class and after lunch would probably have a positive impact on the overall health of the school, especially during cold and flu season!:) This is a story where compromise need to be made. We should teach this to our children and be better examples of it ourselves!
yafola1 3 months ago
@yafola1 I totally agree, but I also agree with what Ana pointed out: kids aren't known for being super reliable with stuff like that, and all it would take would be one slip-up to possibly kill this kid. I'd be concerned if I was her parent, even if they did put these rules in place.
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@ShalomDove Adults are that great either, for that matter!:) When you think about it, it is difficult. Even foods that do not contain peanuts may be manufactured in plants that also process peanuts. Mistakes are easy to make.
yafola1 2 months ago
the best thing about peanut allergies is, after holidays (x-mas, valentines) all the special MnM's go on sale. and there is ALWAYS plain MnM's left over.
that's the best.
neglectoid 3 months ago
my sister is allergic to peanuts and other nuts she still went to school though if she was school dinners (rarely) they made her a special meal without any nuts in :P
chipmunkspy5 3 months ago
I can see it now the teacher calls in sick so a sub teaches and no one tells him or her. about the peanut allergy and he or she brings something with it. as there lunch and proof the girl's in the ER this is a ticking time bomb people...!
METALMAN4Wii 3 months ago
I've had peanut allergies all my life and I will phrase it like this: Miserable. Lunch and snack sucked, could barely eat stuff. And YES, I could die because of those cheap sandwiches!
reriolu 4 months ago
You have crappy video quality Cenk
chess7390 5 months ago
I started giving my daughter pea butter, it tastes exactly like peanut butter without the allergy issues.
koberipple 5 months ago
Kicking her would be like kicking out an autistic kid just isn't fair for her. But here is my idea go to school in a hazmat suit
coldchamelon 5 months ago
that bitch laughed.
LITTLEfootTHEturtle 6 months ago
If these precautions are at all reasonable then there is no way it is safe for her to attend. Even surgeons and doctors don't keep up 100% with hand washing rules, do you think kids will?
And what happens when someone leaves peanut residue on their homework, which is then transferred to their hands and eventually to something she will touch?
SubjectiveInstant 7 months ago
I am allergic to peanuts, and I DID finally have to be homeschooled because my school refused to make ANY accommodations for me, so I just kept having reactions until my parents gave public education the middle finger and pulled me out.
Before they did that, my teachers taught me to be ashamed of what I am. To think of myself as a freak because of my allergy, and to hate myself because I am "inconvenient."
I hope to God this girl is okay.
GuineaPigWings 8 months ago 2
@GuineaPigWings The masses shouldn't be forced to sacrifice for the individual.
JDBlessin 5 months ago
I think the people who are trying to get the little girl removed from the school are jerks. Wash your hands after lunch and before you come in? You should be washing your hands anyway! Rinse your mouth? Takes a few seconds at most, and probably good for your teeth.
As for accidents, an inhaler or epee pen should be kept in the classroom. Maybe even a peanut free table in the cafeteria. This all sounds reasonable to me when you're talking about someone's life
dickcheney6 8 months ago
what will she do when she grows up with nuts in her face
superstrok99 8 months ago
I agree with the conclusions here -
1) Not everyone is qualified to homeschool their child.
2) The inconvenience to the little girl, if she misses out on attending school FAR outweighs the inconvenience to the others when they wash and rinse.
3) Severe allergies are only going to become more and more common as our environment continues to become more toxic. The other children are better off learning now how to deal with it.
EyeLean5280 8 months ago
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geekforlifevandc 8 months ago
@geekforlifevandc Allergies are hypersensitivity disorder of the immune system. Allergies in a lot of cases can cause death. There are people who are allergic to peanuts. Allergies can happen to anyone not just people in the us but everyone. I highly doubt that statement what you just said is true. You don't know everyone in Europe so how would know. Just because you don't know what know what they does not mean everyone else don't.
sweetheart2109 6 months ago
they dont know what they are talking about there is two kids in that school that has a very servere allergie to peanuts
pptd1 8 months ago
ummm....shouldn't they be washing their hands? and rinsing their mouths? C'mon, I bet these kids cavities would come down by A LOT!
Discernaoftruth 8 months ago
I have a friend that is the same way as this little girl, she had to leave the class room because someone had a peanutbutter sandwitch in a ziplock bag in there bag but it wasnt zipped closed so she had to leave and go home. It's so sad :( I know alot of ppl like this, it isnt that much to ask when its a matter of a childs life.
Vascheerleader 9 months ago
if she gets 16 years old and is a bitch im gonna throw peanuts at her
fiddle981 9 months ago
home school the damn kid
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850Nexus 10 months ago
My school has an extensive anaphylaxis safety program- no peanuts allowed, whether they're in a box on your hands or breath. Seriously, all schools should be nut free, regardless of the number of people who are allergic.
JermzzzyFTW 10 months ago
@JermzzzyFTW
No, schools shouldn't be that way. I can only eat certain things because I am a picky eater and so everyday for lunch I eat a peanut butter sandwich.
SarahFayeNicole 9 months ago
@JermzzzyFTW
No, schools shouldn't be that way. I can only eat certain things because I am a picky eater and so everyday for lunch I eat a peanut butter sandwich. Oh and no one in our school is allergic to peanuts.
SarahFayeNicole 9 months ago
@SarahFayeNicole - You need to grow up and get over being a picky eater, and other people's allergies are the least of it.
EyeLean5280 8 months ago
O.K., What's going to happen when she reaches the age of 18? Are we around her workplace going to have to wash our mouths too? Where does her rights end and ours win?
chmellen 10 months ago
@chmellen Workplaces HAVE to make accommodations for people's disabilities already- people in wheelchairs need ramps and parking spaces at their workplaces to work there. People wash their hands and mouths when working in kitchens, factories and most socially-based jobs (where you shake hands and speak)- why can't they in offices? You can't just reject people from the world because they're different.
JermzzzyFTW 10 months ago 2
@chmellen Her rights end when your peanut breath kills her because you wanted to "win." I'm sure she'd find a college with policies about nuts, and warn future employers. Both would have to comply with the ADA any ways because of federal law. Poor girl won't even live that long if someone this selfish comes her way. Did Ayn Rand write a chapter on screwing with the disabled or something?
ThePurpleSeahorse 9 months ago
Tea party reaction: "WHAT?! My son has to wash his hands because of someone else has a problem with peanuts? Well guess what! My son and I love peanut butter, and it's American dammit! It says on the label! That's right! I buy my food at a store, and I don't want no goddamn communist socialist anti-american peanut-ban. You can't make peanuts kontraband because you want to put us in FEMA-camps where we all we get to eat is salads!
GOD WILL NOT ALLOW YOUR SOCIALISM TO WIN! I'm getting my gun!!!"
MyTemporaryAccount88 10 months ago 10
@MyTemporaryAccount88 ...but as soon as that tea partier has a kid with a peanut allergy... "How dare you allow other students to come near my child with peanut butter on thier breath! The teacher should require all of them to wash out hier mouths after lunch--don;t you understand how serious this is?"
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whynotflip 10 months ago
Everbody seems to be forgetting that not everyone can afford to homeschool their kids. It isn't only the well off or rich that are affected with hypersensitive allergy kids. Do you prepose another entitlement program that the repubs can attack? One that will ensure that all kids can be educated in the home if needed? They are already going after school lunch programs. That's why it looks like people just don't want to be inconvenienced. They don't want the kids, but don't want a solution either
Thayer79 10 months ago 4
Clearly it is a travesty that elementary school students should be forced to wash their hands and brush their teeth. Sounds like a fantastic way to teach kids proper hygiene and instill good dental hygiene habits from a young age. Why don't we have all the kids in all the elementary schools brush their teeth?
ferguspork 10 months ago
this is child endangerment. i can't believe people don't see this.
whynotflip 10 months ago
In Chicago, a 13-year-old 7th grader died at a school lunch party when she was served Chinese food that was contaminated with peanuts. She had a known peanut allergy and the restaurant that prepared the meal was told about the peanut allergy and was instructed to avoid all peanut products when preparing the class meal.
The lunch was an end-of-the year party in December. The case is getting attention again because the parents are suing the restaurant that served the meals.
whynotflip 10 months ago
@whynotflip not to mention, they TOOK PRECAUTIONS in preventing this!
whynotflip 10 months ago
this is horrible. they're not asking for an "inconvenience", they're forcing a responsibility onto all the other students. And thats' unacceptable to put that one's student's health (which is a bizarre, unusual situation) in the hands of hundreds of children.
qtzlctl2012 11 months ago
She should be home schooled. I don't care if its unfair, but there are stupid kids who will bring peanuts no matter what. I can see this child in severe danger while in school
DorisHenrique 11 months ago
It's so strange watching and reading about this as someone who actually has a life threatening nut allergy.
Roobitz 11 months ago
Seeing as I live in Florida...I'm not surprised that these parents react like that and looking back at how gross kids were in Elementary school I think kids should be required to wash their hands after lunch..etc anyways too many germs spreading. I remember I couldn't stand my school....snotty nose kids,sneezing....etc *Shivers*
Ranzalove 11 months ago
Teachers should be taught how to use an EpiPen. Students with the allergy should be required to have one on their person as well as having a few in the office. It's not that big of a deal to ban peanut products, is it?
:P
Joxman2k 11 months ago
washing hands and rinsing mouths is an unreasonable request? doctors & dentists will probably disagree.
MissNophi2U 11 months ago
if shes consider disables wouldnt she be in the slow class with all the other disable kids?...
XxMzt4RVLCNRYxX 11 months ago
@XxMzt4RVLCNRYxX you were dropped as a child right?
thelittlediablo 11 months ago
It's either rinse your mouth or banning peanut butter. I don't think it is outrageous to expect people to do their part in helping a fellow schoolmate. I agree with Ana that it is dangerous for the child to go to school, but she has to live with this allergy for the rest of her life. I am sure she carries an Epi pen and she needs to learn how and when to self administer it.
cheezbawl2003 11 months ago
its win win
Kids are more hygienic and build cleaner lifestyles
girl goes to school
Saferwaters13 11 months ago
I was in an elementary school a long time ago. I remember what elementary school kids were like. We would have killed her.
RPGchannel 11 months ago
@RPGchannel Yea, I'm pretty sure somebody in my class would have smeared peanut butter on her within the first month of the school year. The girl is in for a terrible life, at least the first 18 years.
fauyd 11 months ago
Cenk and Ana, you need to know that if the school can not accommodate the child in the classroom, the school MUST pay for the child to be educated outside the classroom! The parents do NOT have to pay. It is part of the American's With Disabilities Act.
PrairiePie23 11 months ago
Hell, sounds like a good opportunity to teach kids to brush their teeth after eating. Fuck!, Hygiene? Nooooooo!
PrairiePie23 11 months ago
Talk about being born with pathetic genes.
MrTuraiOssa 11 months ago
I can slightly see the point of the other parents.
Back when I was that age, there were a lot of kids that would bring their own lunch and the most comment thing was PB&J. And we also had snack breaks in class rooms, and once again PB&J was the favorite, or candy bars like snickers or reeces.....
And yet we had a kid with a sever allergy like her, but he only had a once time reaction over all the years he was in school....
MyPaperBleedsInk 11 months ago
The student should be receiving home bound instruction from the school if her allergy is that severe.
thehobbsguy 11 months ago
The entire school can not be burdened by one single student's disability.
thehobbsguy 11 months ago
What was the story about? I was too busy watching Cenk's head smear across the screen. 3:29 kind of looks like a fade. Next time you get your hair cut Cenk, think about it...just sayin'...
urkelette 11 months ago
I agree with Cenk 100%.
L3G3NDKILLER313 11 months ago
I don't think there are any public schools in the GTA (Greater Toronto Area) that allow peanuts to come through the door. These allergies are really common.
CamronJLB 11 months ago 36
@CamronJLB
Hell, I grew up in the north of Canada, and there was only 2 of us with allergies (myself and another boy), and they weren't allowed in the school. Like my boyfriend always says, Americans culture is about ME, Canadian culture is about WE.
drunkenwindian 11 months ago
@CamronJLB
They are talking about the U.S. not Canada.
Personally I think all schools should have disinfectant dispensers like Hospitals. That would cut down on common school illnesses as well.
:P
Joxman2k 11 months ago
@CamronJLB In Windsor, it's the same. No peanuts unless they are synthetic
444rrrfff 10 months ago
The real issue is this. If the child were honestly, that seriously alergic to peanuts, that even having them somewhere in the environment, the child would already be DEAD. We are a nation that thrives on peanuts and they are pervasive.. The first time someone gave the child a candy bar the child would have slipped into massive alergic shock, and usually the way people find out about this allergy is by giving their child a peanut butter sandwich. This story is bullshit.
ParadoxEcho 11 months ago
Say "peanuts in their mouths" again Ana :P
All unwarranted sexual innuendo aside though, peanut allergies are no joke. I worked with a kid who had the same allergy and apparently he was at risk of falling into a coma minutes after being exposed to peanuts.
argonaaut 11 months ago
Every child has a right to a public education, whether they have a disability or not. End of story.
mnkittel 11 months ago 31
@mnkittel The public school system understands that and is doing everything they can to support and protect the girl. No one said the girl doesn't have the right to a public education and the school system isn't trying to boot her out. But remember that the little girl's rights end where the other students begin and that the other students shouldn't have to give up their rights for her. It works both ways.
ThatIMayServe 11 months ago
@mnkittel No not end of story. If the public education infringes on other childrens' education then they don't have a right to it.
sikvenum82 11 months ago
@mnkittel
I would add ESPECIALLY if they have a disability.
:P
Joxman2k 11 months ago
@Joxman2k right, so blind kids deserve to have every single class put into braille, and make sure every single class has a sign-language speaker for deaf kids. totally.
oh wait, no, that's why special needs kids are separated from the general population.
qtzlctl2012 11 months ago
@qtzlctl2012
"Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities" is a dumb United Nations Thing and "America" doesn't need to follow such things ...right?
Special needs kids are your friends ....If you don't have a special needs friend in your group, then YOU are the special needs person :)
ZING!
:P
Joxman2k 11 months ago
@Joxman2k so you're asserting we should do those things for blind and deaf kids? Make every single classroom capable of teaching them? Is that really what you're saying?
I mean, i'd rather you say it like that yourself before we all decide how much of a retard you sound like ZING
qtzlctl2012 11 months ago
@qtzlctl2012
A society that doesn't seek understand others who are different will disappear. How is pushing aside those who are different make you stronger?
That is the thinking of the small and how to get smaller.
:P
Joxman2k 11 months ago
@Joxman2k do you just enjoy ignoring things? It looks like it, so i'll ignore your most recent tripe
qtzlctl2012 11 months ago
@qtzlctl2012
To answer your questions directly. Yes. everyone should learn Braille. and sign language should be mandatory. Communication among everyone is easy.
Tell me why it shouldn't :)
...bitch. :P
Joxman2k 11 months ago
@Joxman2k wow, you really are retarded. i guess that's why you care so much about meeting special needs.
And i don't need to tell you shit. You're asserting something stupid here, you need to try and back it up. I'd LOVE to hear your reasons EVERYONE needs to know braille and sign language.
qtzlctl2012 11 months ago
@qtzlctl2012
Sorry. I'm obviously not capable of independent thought. I'm obviously a deranged person who needs to not know things.
:P
Joxman2k 11 months ago
@Joxman2k that's what i thought
qtzlctl2012 11 months ago
@qtzlctl2012
well I'm glad for you.
:P
Joxman2k 11 months ago
@qtzlctl2012
...bitch :)
:P
Joxman2k 11 months ago
@Joxman2k cunt
qtzlctl2012 11 months ago
@qtzlctl2012
soma nun bastage!
:P
Joxman2k 11 months ago
@qtzlctl2012
*snicker*
:)
:P
Joxman2k 11 months ago
I knew a few kids with peanut allergies in school. They basically didn't eat peanut butter. They survived. I wonder if this strategy might work...
birdbath318 11 months ago
@birdbath318
Um... Some can be so severe that they can't even be in the same room with peanuts...
EpicnessInABox 11 months ago
@EpicnessInABox Then they should live in a bubble like bubble boy. Seriously... WTF? "I'm allergic to air!" If it's that bad they should probably be home-schooled. I would say that's pretty rare though.
birdbath318 11 months ago
@birdbath318
Homeschool kinda sucks, do you realize how much of a normal life that would destroy? It's not that hard to wash your hands and mouths, and also it would help other things since a lot of people don't wash their hands at all.
EpicnessInABox 11 months ago
Time to bring back Eugenics.
LogicShadow 11 months ago
I have to disagree with this one. This child should be homeschooled. The main problem i see with this is that this wont be just this year. This will be a k through 12 issue. I think also you have to look at the severe life threatening issue.What if some other 6 year old child hands this girl a cookie? This child dies the other child will be scarred for life. No, this child should be homeschooled. Its not a matter of the inconvenience. Its a matter of the accountability.
Fr33d0m4a11 11 months ago
If we can take washing our hands a bit more seriously for the H1N1 then we can do it to accomadate another classmate. I don't think peanuts should be allowed on the menu or in the vending machines because there's plenty of other snacks and there's nothing wrong with adjusting. If I were the principal I would make sure that all my children are safe and would not disciminate on the disabled children or teachers. Have a heart.
Longhairstile 11 months ago
If we can take washing our hands a bit more seriously for the H1N1 then we can do it to accomadate another classmate. I don't think peanuts should be allowed on the menu or in the vending machines because there's plenty of other snacks and there's nothing wrong with adjusting. If I were the principal I would make sure that all my children are safe and would not disciminate on the disabled children or teachers. Have a heart.
Longhairstile 11 months ago
If it were my kid, I wouldn't even take the chance of exposing her by sending her to public school.
endergt 11 months ago
It's not really fair to tell a little girl she can't come to school because some parents of her peers think that their child having to wash his/her hands will take precious minutes away from her learning experiences. Meanwhile, forcing a girl into home school is okay, it'll just rob her of her life's social experiences making her incompetent in the real world. x.x When did we all become so entitled and stupid?
dirtierainb0w 11 months ago
I think it's great that children will be forced to learn that their own personal hygiene effects those around them. The kids at that school will be different than every other school in the US, they won't be waking germ factories.
triel77 11 months ago
Seriously. They have to wash their hands and rinse their mouth. Not a big deal. Yes it probably can be annoying, but YOU WON'T KILL A 6 YEAR OLD GIRL. But like TYT said, these are 6 year olds, someone's bound to slip up. But they probably have like epi-pens and whatever the hell else is used to stop allergic reactions. But it still sounds pretty dangerous to me.
LuvStruckMess 11 months ago
Its a fucking peanut.
Just don't eat it in school, fucking retards,
YoungSpotUBrock 11 months ago
Cenk, actually if they had to hire a teacher to home school their child it would be paid for by the taxpayers under the ADA. It happens to other kids who for some reason or other can't get to school.
Biswalt 11 months ago
Does anyone know if the parents can afford to home school? Can someone stay home from work to even do it?
willquestion 11 months ago
I also have an extremely severe peanut allergy. I can't even be in the same room as a pb&j sandwich and I went to public school from k-12, and you know what? There were some slip ups along the way, but I learned how to protect myself and make my allergy MY problem and not other people's. This little girl needs to learn about her allergy and how to make it work in the world around her. School's take the time and effort to help other kids with disabilities, why not this kid too?
salembaby627 11 months ago
@Thayer79 the point is if you know you have a condition its your responsibility to take care of it not have everyone protect you.
cloudvszell 11 months ago
@cloudvszell I completely accept the personal responsibility aspect of it, but i also reject the idea that a person with a condition should be shunned from a community MEARLY on the basis of people not wanting to be inconvienenced. There are unreasonable standards and there are reasonable ones. We shouldn't all have to be in bubbles to prevent spreading disease and illness to highly suseptable patients, but it isn't that big of a de3al to wash your mouth out after a meal. Brush 3 times a day.
Thayer79 11 months ago
@Thayer79 but this isn mearly an inconvenience of a few a school has anywhere between a few hundred and a couple thousand people this person will trouble any one she ever works with, goes out with, and so on the number of people effected by the time that person passes will be probably close to 10k or more. but look at this way the person know she has an allergy so she isnt going to go to a bar where they serve nuts she isnt going to go to a restaurant where they use nut she isnt
cloudvszell 11 months ago
@Thayer79 going to eat or use any product with nuts in it but she will go to a school that has a cafeteria and tell them they have to change and every student in the school can no longer bring the stuff what happens if she works in an office building all the people there cant bring anything with nuts have to take all the snickers and peanuts out of the vending machine so its not a few inconveniences
cloudvszell 11 months ago
@cloudvszell What in this entire story said that they are taking those kinds of steps? They want kids to wash their mouths and hands. That's all that's been said. Besides you are advocating that as an adult she should just stay home and live on disability, because she might effect our everyday lives. Who cares how many people are inconvienced. It's the level of inconvience that is the point. Our society shouldn't be built on hiding those that may negatively effect our lives.
Thayer79 11 months ago
@cloudvszell It is self absorbed to think that anyone who may force us to change our daily habits deserves to be pushed from society in order to make sure we aren't inconvienenced. I've seen a trend of this in a lot of places and it sickens me. We live in a world with disease and disability. I think it's the same thing that drives lack of support for the impoverished. So long as it doesn't affect us then we tend to do little about it.
Thayer79 11 months ago
@Thayer79 it sickens me as well but im also realistic about this allergy its something that is going to happen more and more its been on the rise for years the only way to truly prevent it is to ban all peanuts in everything but its not going to happen but i also understand that if im suffering from something its my responsibility to take care of my condition not the worlds if i knownly go somewhere i know i should go its my fault
cloudvszell 11 months ago
@cloudvszell But you could say the same thing about diseases. Maybe we should cut funding of healthcare for all disease and illness patients. It's not exactly the same thing, but the point is we are all being inconvienced by one person or another and sweeping them under a rug isn't how to deal with them. I don't think having some basic standards that allows all humans to be a part of society is unrealistic. We have handicapped parking and wheelchair ramps amongst other things, for a reason.
Thayer79 11 months ago
@Thayer79 as ive missed some of your comments first no im not saying this person should stay at home and live on disability im saying that she should be taught to be more aware and choose where she works carefully ie not in a restaurant or in a peanut factory or a grocery store. so smart choices as for the home schooling no im against it one of my thoughs about it was making a either one school this way and ake all the kids with this allergy go there instead of 10 other schools
cloudvszell 11 months ago
@cloudvszell Ok that I wouldn't have as much of a problem with, but the issue is it is unrealistic. We can't just build a new school for kids with allergens everytime a new kids comes into the system and communities and districts are too big to assume that the people should be able to commute anywhere. We're talking about constantly building new ones or have a localized one that parents from all over would have to commute to. It sounds good in theory, but wouldn't work.
Thayer79 11 months ago
@Thayer79 you could create and should create a hypoallergenic school especially for these people with severe allergies like bee stings, peanut butter and so one with none of these things in there people there would actually be trained to know what to do in a situation where some one goes into anaphylactic shock. soe schools dont require teachers to know and it could end up saving there life it would be no different from having classes for handicapped children they have people who know how to
cloudvszell 11 months ago
@cloudvszell So why don't we just make it a prerequisite for teachers to learn this? This still doesn't mean it would be feasible to create seperate schools. besides why is ok to tell bee sting allergy kids they can't have peanut anything, but let the rest of the kids in other schools have it? It's still inconviencing kids and parents not affected by certain foods. Lastly. Why is it so horrible that kids don't have peanut/sea food anything at school? Why is it so important to have it?
Thayer79 11 months ago
@Thayer79 because ig you went through all the food related alergies you would be supprised im allergic to milk and eggs so whould milk and eggs be banned some people are allergic to cinammon some to cocount the list goes on because its an immune response we can virtually become allergic to anything the reason why peanut and see food are so bad is because they are cheap and they can be caused by smell honestly a can of pb is what under 10 buck and feed a kid for lunch for almost 2 months
cloudvszell 11 months ago
@Thayer79 where other sources like ham for 5 bucks can feed them for 3 days and expires quickly so if you want a why is it important it is because of cost effectiveness and promotes good health by being a high source of protein. as for a kid with bee sting allergy being in the same boat because he would need the same info about allergies as the kid with pb a school set up that way would actually be able to take time and explain to the kid there allergy and how to watc h for it they cant
cloudvszell 11 months ago
@cloudvszell That still doesn't answer why a kid with bee sting allergies shouldn't be allowed to have pb or any number of other foods that you listed as allergens. In this school the PB kids couldn't have sea food or strawberries and vice versa. and it still doesn't fix the commuting issue that would be involved. Or the constant building of seperate schools. I still think the most feasible route would be educating kids AND teachers about these practices, nor do I agree with an outright ban.
Thayer79 11 months ago
@Thayer79 get that in public school as its a set curriculum and as for all teachers having to know it are you willing to pay all teachers a couple thousand more each year for that info as its not you lean once you know it for life its a constantly changing field leaning they would have to take special classes every year just to stay on top it all or pay a few specialty teachers to stay on top of it and teach it to the kids that need to know it?
cloudvszell 11 months ago
@Thayer79 take care and teach them how to be safe about their condition
cloudvszell 11 months ago
@Thayer79 that being said you cant lump diseases under allergies yes disease is rampant in society but we do it to our selves we feed live stock with bone meals and antibiotics causing prions and super bugs we insist on super clean homes antibacterial stations everywhere and all it does is kill our own helpful bacterial and weakens out immune system and again create super bugs so the disease issue is a self inflicted issue
cloudvszell 11 months ago
@cloudvszell It's not about how preventable it is. that's something we are constantly working on. it's about what to do once someone has the issue. Whether a disease, illness, or allgergy. Besides the one thing that hasn't been said is. How can we expect all people in a certain catagory do the same thing. You work under the presupposition that all parents of kids with allergies has the ability to homeschool. Should we raise taxes to ensure they stay away from us? That wouldn't go over well in US
Thayer79 11 months ago
@Thayer79 so they are not all imposing the same rules cause if thats the case you might as well ban it completely. also your right peanut butter isnt a necessity for schools to function but it is for growing kids it is a cheap source of protein that does not expire after 3 days like other sources and once peanut butter is stopped next will be tuna because of sea food allergies and so one
cloudvszell 11 months ago
@cloudvszell I still don't get why you think that they are banning anything? They mearly require that kids wash a little more to avoid cross contamination and exposure. That's it. Unless I missed something in this story.
Thayer79 11 months ago
@Thayer79 why because its only a matter of time my public went through this when i was in grade 8 a kindergarten had the allergy so bad the smell of it could cause them to have an episode so they removed all things with nuts from the school and banned it once this kid has an episode after these rules are imposed the next step will be to ban it and those who bring it will be in trouble so as for why past experience
cloudvszell 11 months ago
@Thayer79 i don't know what its like where you are but my speed limit point should have proved my point where i am the speed limit on the highway is 90km at any given tie the speed that people go is 120 most go over the speed limit not at it. as for banning cars no just like you shouldn't ban peanut butter from school if im deathly allergic to peanut butter im not going to go where its common just like if im blind im not going to start driving down a highway
cloudvszell 11 months ago
@cloudvszell Ok. The cars part doesn't fit because of differences where we live, but the peanut butter thing is silly. It's about a direct correlation to what is needed to what is not. Nobody is banning peanut butter at the schools. They just want kids to take an extra step in hygiene to avoid, not absolutely prevent, a problem. Besides peanut butter isn't a prerequisite for the school to function or the kids to learn. Being able to see, however, IS a prerequisite to driving.
Thayer79 11 months ago
what if one of the other kids slips up? more like "when" and "deliberately"... kids are nasty, viscious, spitefull little creatures, especially at that age. one of them will expose her to peanuts for fun or revenge, it's inevitable. The best she can hope for is that the teachers are trained, on hand, and have quick access to epinephrine when the inevitable happens.
Udinbak 11 months ago
I can't remember what comedian said it, but if you're kid's allergies are severe enough that they'll die if my kid talks to them after eating a snickers bar - don't get too attached.
I know it sounds cruel, but Ana's point at the end is kinda what I'm getting at - if you want to keep them safe, keep them home. It would only be until they're old enough to understand they have to look out for their own safety rather than relying on everyone else.
edstamos 11 months ago
Not being able to eat peanuts/peanutbutter and having to wash your hands vs someone dying. Yeah. Completely unreasonable. /sarcasm
Otokogoroshi 11 months ago
Do you know how much time it would take to get all of those hands and mouths washed? Ana... try and subbing and see.
MegaTsui 11 months ago
Inconvenience? Wash your damn hands and mouth after lunch ffs.
RezzaNL 11 months ago
Going to a school with strict anti-peanut rules taught me empathy.
understudy52 11 months ago
We have a similar issue with latex at our school, where a kid is allergic to it as well, to the point where no balloons, rubber bands and such can be allowed in the school. We took the proper precautions, and all is well now, and in 3 years when he graduates, you can go back to how it was before.
reborntheglassbatch 11 months ago
It's a fairly small allowance to make to allow this kid to have a fairly normal life. And being at school and having plenty of social interaction is important. When the inconvenience is small as it is here I find it sad that some demand she be homeschooled, effectively ostracising her unneccesarily.
RacingDamon 11 months ago
@catchlightdame Ok but if your kid had a severe peanut allergy how would the you react to a similar argument made by another parent. Because what you're saying is what your kid wants to eat is more important than the health risk it could then pose to other children.
coma0789 11 months ago
@coma0789 I was not making an argument, I was just responding to the other persons comment stating that I have a similar problem. I would never put another child endanger. I am just at a loss as to what I can send my son for lunch and was hoping for some advice. Do you have children, because convincing a 4 year old of anything is near impossible!
catchlightdame 11 months ago
Here is a life lesson for you:
You have this problem and you are going to make it my problem, I'll eat enough peanuts that a horse near me would drop dead and wouldn't be rinsing anything.
romanmir01 11 months ago
Ana said "peanuts in their mouths" and then gave the Beavis chuckle. Me too.
TheBrownNote2007 11 months ago
I feel sorry for the girl. She probably just wants a normal life, to go to a normal school, socialize with friends. I don't think it's a huge inconvenience to add the rule ''no peanuts allowed'' to the list of already in place rules. Kids aren't allowed to bring guns to school, or knives. So it's a little extreme to think of a peanut as a gun, but for this poor girl it's just as lethal. I don't think it's asking too much for the kids and their parents to have compassion for this poor child.
fiercefunky 11 months ago
I was able bodied until the moment I was disabled. In these kinds of discussions people need to understand that they or someone they care about could be disabled in the next moment. Tough call I say let her try to have a normal life as much as possible long as possible let her attend school.
5lkk 11 months ago
Last thing have the parents vote on the situation. It's their kids amd if they don't mind then let it be.
ChicanoBear06 11 months ago
How about putting a breathing air filter around her mouth. Instead of making 25 kids take all The precautions, why not just have her wear long sleeve shirts and pants with gloves. Bam, safe
ChicanoBear06 11 months ago
@dsquaredmlg
wow a massive douche.
douche is a good thing it cleans out nasty pussy's like you.
and your's
angelwolf333 11 months ago
@angelwolf333 okay so it's settled, you're a douche
dsquaredmlg 11 months ago
@Verdoux007
i dont have any kids. i was making a point dipshit.
im saying there are people that would do that on purpose. or unknowingly. peanuts are everywhere and in everything. my mom can only eat about twenty five food items. she is sixty four years old.
she learned to live that many years ago when she was young and the schools did not change all rules for her. she had the problem so she adapted. im not a diabetic so i dont take insulin should i becus i went to school with one. NO
angelwolf333 11 months ago
@angelwolf333 And I was making a point too (without the juvenile name calling).
Verdoux007 11 months ago
@Verdoux007
i dont have any kids. i was making a point dipshit.
im saying there are people that would do that on purpose. or unknowingly. peanuts are everywhere and in everything. my mom can only eat about twenty five food items. she is sixty four years old.
she learned to uvive that many years ago when she wass young and the schools did not. change all rules for her. she had the problem so she adapted. im not a diabetic so i dont take insulin should i because i went to school with one
angelwolf333 11 months ago
if its that severe then i dont think that she should be going to school anyway
Canada9990 11 months ago
They have service dogs that are trained to detect peanuts and I think she really needs to get one of those if it's that bad. This way she doesn't have to worry about her life being in danger.
MistressArte 11 months ago
in my son's school no peanut products are allowed on the school premesis because of peanut allergies. Why cant they just do that
JudgeLollie 11 months ago
We're breeding a nation of pussies.
flipperbaby47 11 months ago 17
@flipperbaby47 We're breeding a nation of people not wanting to be assholes. Allergies are serious and if you're lucky enough to not have to realize that be happy but also don't be a dick.
MistressArte 11 months ago
@flipperbaby47 Just breeding another generation of narcissistic Xenophobes.
5lkk 11 months ago
@murderedboy
Not only does she not have her own opinion, but Ana adopts soooo many of Cenk's stupid mannerisms.
"What I love about this story is...."
"Look, blah, blah blah..." Every other sentence starts with "Look"
Ending every 3rd sentence with "Right?"
So, with an agressive grandstanding blowhard (albeit an articulate one) such as Cenk as her boss, you really expect Ana to have her own opinion? Even in this clip, you get the sense that she had one originally. Key word: "had"
hofifut 11 months ago
Kids should be washing their hands anyways but this going to far.
CHAOSoriginal 11 months ago
At some point the parent would have to consider another alternative, if not home schooling....a smaller class setting that can some what control this kinda thing. Imagine the kid being in highshcool...constantly changing classes throughout the day.
MizAlexandria 11 months ago
all it takes is a 6 yr old to mess up or try to be funny and she dies, homeschool
eoqazzaq 11 months ago
It would suck to be allergic to Oxygen
xXRazorSharp101Xx 11 months ago
Im finding myself disagreeing a lot with the young turks recently.
What if we had a immune-compromised child, should we all have to wear masks, sterilize our hands,and keep hospital level cleanliness in our schools? No probably not, so where is the line?
In the end, forcing 6 year olds to be so studious about cleanliness will just indoctrinate her classmates to become germaphobes. Cenk-bounds of reason. Washing out their mouths seems too far, banning peanuts (necessary for them) is too much.
tomatodamashi 11 months ago
We did this at my elementary school. Its simple to wash your hands .... why cant you just wash your damn hands..
DarinJoeseph 11 months ago
That kid has at least two things going in her favor. Nobody seems to be looking at them. One, lots of "public" schools have looked into multimedia ways of helping, both permanent, and temporarily homebound children. To be fair, her school system should look into that. With no or very little expense to the family. Two, it has been published, that doctors have found, if not a cure, a possible way to combat allergies, especially food ones...
wvseltzer 11 months ago