So, because a group of people, a lot of whom belong to the LDS religion voted against something you desired and believed in, that gives you the right to call them names, and mock them?
Prop 8 was purely motivated by religious dogma and has no rational merit. Apparently the Church of Latter Day Saints and the Roman Catholic Church want to throw out the US Constitution and make this a theocracy. The Prop 8 supporters in the Prop 8 trial had a difficult time defending why Prop 8 was necessary.
First off I not gay, which I would rather be than believe the crap Mormons believe, following a fossil who claim to speak for god, thinking blacks are cursed with the mark of cain, Not to mention all the other religions laugh at your book of Mormon, thinking Indians were Jews, becoming gods and they even call you nothing more than a cult going door to door seeing how falls for that white guy from new york gold tablets fairytale, which I think he was a fag by the way he dressed lol.
Than why do you care if they shout at that building, we are in the 21st century that's why we can't let religions impose there fairytale belief's to the rest of the people, that happened a long time ago, when we didn't have separation of church and state.
I don't know, a cult that believes a white guy from new york speaks for god through gold plates, magic stones, holly underwear, married many underage girls and after all that you become a god is funnier as there are people who believe that.
Don't make me laugh, that prop was mainly backed by religions that not everyone believes yet they feel a need to impose on everyone.They have a right to vote but when they become they major supporter and organizer of this political subject there tax free exempt should be looked at. As a fact Mormons where the main pusher of this prop and there is a video here that has there president telling them how to vote, that's why Mormons are being protested the most.
California isn't a Mormon state unlike Utah, but they spread lies in there commercials say that if this prop didn't pass they would be forced to marry gay people which is a lie. I thought we were living in the 21st century, even thou there are churches thinking they have still have a say in how laws are passed like the catholic church did a long and awful time ago.
@MrSinister84 Thanks for proving my point. You are denying democracy on foundation. Regardless the religion and its power, the VOTES matter. Mormons didn't force anyone to vote "yes" on Prop8. If you don't want a religion to have their members to vote according to their doctrines, then you are taking away their free speech right, not to mention the tax free exempt just because you hate them.
Once again, gringo gay people try to make themselves a special people... when they are just normal...
First the Mormons put out adds that said lies about that prop, that it would make all religions have to marry gays which it does not. If a religion is telling it's members how to vote then yes they should have there tax free exempt taking away since they are supposed to stay neutral on these things and let there members choose on there own, not because I hate them ok. It might be easier where your from but here gringo gays don't have the same rights as from where your from.
@MrSinister84 With all the respect of the world, don't misunderstand this: How can a religion stay neutral, by your definition? By teaching nothing about any matter, I guess. Given that faithful believers donated money to defend their thoughts on the definition of the word "marriage", and voted according to the same thing, I wonder why that means they don't deserve to be treated as any other religion. Free speech is granted for everyone, not just "neutral" straight people and LGBT people.
@Benishe - "How can a religion stay neutral, by your definition? By teaching nothing about any matter, I guess." How about by not trying to bend the government to your personal will? How about by governing your own members and teaching your own kids and leaving everyone else alone who is not a part of your religion? As for the "it all comes down to a definition" no, it doesn't.
Read: gaylife . about . c0m / od / samesexmarriage / f / civilmarriage . htm
@MrSinister84 As many Prop8 unsuporters have said (and I think the same), it's not a matter of popular vote. I see you agree, but please, be realistic. This whole discussion is just because of the meaning of one single word. Here in Bogotá, LGBT never raised a riot in front of our Temple or Catholic churches just because they can be "married", but the idiomatic expression is actually "unión civil" (lit: civil union), not "marriage", which is the problem in Prop8, am I right?
With all do respect as well and you do have very valid points but my main problem is when a religion any religion decides to force its beliefs on the rest the people and also making false statements to encourage people to vote for it was wrong since they didn't show the truth about the prop. It is never a good idea when the majority can pass legislation that mainly impacts the minorities.
@MrSinister84 - The whole "forcing churches to marry gays," crap is just churchie fearmongering. A straight couple can go get a marriage licence without even setting foot in a church. But a gay couple, at best will get "civil union" which still leaves out a ton of other things that only marriage has. Important things like the right to hospital visitations and Family / Medical Leave from work to care for a sick or injured partner. Xtians wanted the same control over race mixing in the 50's.
I agree with you, the same religious crap was used in the 50's because they didn't want interracial marriage and now since that is gone they have to go and do the same thing to gay marriage. Why isn't that title 26 used on the Catholic, Mormon and the rest of the churches that were trying to pass that prop? Those two groups of "religion" are the last that should say anything about family and marriage with there molestation cases and polygamy history.
@MrSinister84 - Hey now, it ain't just the cathy-licks and the polygamormons that molest kids, that crap happens just as easily in other factions of Christianity, it just doesn't get reported on as often. Lesse, there's Holly Barnes a FEMALE teacher at Grace Baptist Church who was arrested for here involvement with a 14yo male, then there's Chris Settlemoir who was a principal at Warren Baptist School, I'm sure these aren't the only two... I just searched "christian + molestation" in Google.
Sadly that doesn't sound surprising as the ones who want to "defend" marriage and family so religiously passionate are the ones that it should be protected from. Was that title 26 you mentioned earlier going to be used against the Mormons, Catholics or anyone who helped that prop? I think all those "religions" that were involved should have there holy tax exempt revoked permanently and finned but that's just me.
Pinning blame on catholics and gays is just a dodge tactic. Here's summore xtian molestors I found: Chad Stoffel of Summit Christian School in West Palm Beach confessed to molesting two teenage boys. Leaders of Shiloh Baptist Church in NEWARK, N.J. hired Chavalis T. Williams as pastor with full knowledge he had previously been convicted in Florida. Darrell Gilyard, an African-American preacher at Shiloh Metropolitan Baptist Church in Jacksonville, Fla pleaded guilty to molesting a 15yo girl.
@MrSinister84 Make your goverment approve it in a legal way, not popular voting, then! If I understand, you really think LDS Church as an organization must stay away from your rights. Nothing more. If that's so, you're on your right. But true neutrality will never exist in any religion, 'cause they have beliefs and creeds to defend, so let's take away all religion's tax free exempt to make you happy...
There are many religions that do stay neutral and don't tell voters how and who to vote for. I don't care if they do but staying tax free while doing it is too much since not only are citizens forced to indirectly support religious organizations, but some groups benefit much more than others, resulting in problematic religious favoritism. The US Code Title 26, which governs tax-exempt organizations says they can't carry on propaganda, or otherwise attempting, to influence legislation.
@MrSinister84 - "The US Code Title 26, which governs tax-exempt organizations says they can't carry on propaganda, or otherwise attempting, to influence legislation." And there's still Separation of Church and State. We have Freedom of Religion, but we also have Freedom FROM it as well. No church should have any power over people from another religion, or people who are not affiliated with any religion at all. Religion has no place in politics, when it tries to force itself in, things go bad.
@skank: take it easy man, let's have some courtesy when discussing these matters.
@Science: Funny how you talk about all of the "horrible trials" the gay community has gone through, because I'm fairly sure there used to be an extermination order out for the Mormons. They have had their fair share of discrimination; this matter is simply an ideologically driven battle, not a "who's got it worse?" contest.
@masoid: the extermination order was issued because of the extremely bad behavior of the Mormons in what was called the "Mormon War"... it was believed that the Mormons would cause an insurrection against the state of Missouri.
That, however, is NOT discrimination. It is cause and effect. Do some reading on it from sources outside the Mormon church. When I was a Mormon, I only got one side of the story.
@Kaileo & Sci: It just seems like both of you are bitter ex-Mormons...I mean they did what was in their legal rights, and Kaileo, you said that mormons raised the majority of money used to pass prop 8, um as far as i know money doesn't pass propositions, voters do, and in that case "no on 8" campaign raised more money than "yes on 8" so I'm not understanding your argument. You both keep blaming Mormons, what about the voters....?
@skankit: I'll help you out & explain this one to you too, then I'm done for now.
voters were fooled into thinking that all kinds of bad things would happen with gay marriage. Lies about how it would destroy "traditional" marriage, it would be taught to kids, it would affect religious freedom, etc.
The Mormons were the ones who paid the MOST to put these lies out there. Other religions were involved but not as much as the Mormons.
NOW do you understand why people blame the Mormons???
The commercials that aired, yes I've see them, technically weren't lies, they all had actually occurred. However, I haven't met anyone who's seen those commercials and said "OMG, gay people are going to turn the kids against us!!" No, the average voter has the intellect to base their vote on personal beliefs than what a commercial tells them. And on top of that, Mormons didn't create the commercials...
Another thing is if it was the "money", as you claim, that "won" prop 8, then how do you explain the fact that the No on 8 campaign raised more funds than the Yes on 8 campaign did? If it was truly about the money put into the campaign, according to your logic, shouldn't No on 8 have won then??!?
@skankit: this is why I never argue with teenagers... they can't comprehend fully. i did not say it was the money. I said it was the LIES. Geez, pay attention...
Wow...way to make yourself seem even more prejudice, now discriminating due to age? You think you are superior to those younger than you. You really are just a huge hypocrite. And let me quote you from a comment you posted earlier:
"@kenatlaw: Mormons got Prop 8 passed the same way they are able to build multi-million dollar temples where there are few members: money. They contributed at 55% to 75% of the moeny used to pass Prop 8."
This is where either your willfull ignorance or plain stupidity comes into play. You're still not understanding the connection between the money spent and the lies that money spread. The LIES convinced the voters to vote yes... the money spread those lies. Clear enough for you? If not, read it really slow and mouth the words... that helps.
And yes, older people typically know more than teenagers, whether you like it or not, or realize it or not!
@masoid: yep, Kaileo is right... the Mormons basically brought animosity upon them due to their aggresive actions among their neighbors. And I'm an ex-Mo too... I know the history from both sides.
On the other hand, gays have been abused and discriminated against since the BEGINNING of history... due to their innate orientation, nothing more!
@masoid3: don't put your two cents in the middle of a convo, b/c you failed to realise the entire situation.
Kaileo & Sci: Um... gays haven't been discriminated against since the beginning of time. In ancient Greece, pederastic relationships between older and younger men were seen as normal. And in feudal Japan, many of the countries high ranking samurais engaged in homosexual relationships...so that's a false statement (once again)!
@skankit: Wow, you really don't think things thru, do you!? You named 2 cultures of HUNDREDS on this planet. "False statement"? Don't be ridiculous! FAR MORE cultures persecuted gays than accept... my guess would be 95% to 5%. "Science" is right, you're not.
Gays have been beaten, raped, enslaved, killed & mutilated for centuries, & still are, PLUS denied housing, employmt, health care, etc, etc.
Are you really so ignorant about history that you need to have someone explain this to you?
You're just naming events that occurred in your history, you still have failed to mention any concrete evidence, and in my case, in Iran and the south pacific, transvestites are treated as though they are women, the same goes for Thailand. Asia has a long history of gay tolerance and in recent history so has Scandinavia.
@skankit: Uh, once again, you're wrong. In Iran, members of the LGBT community are put to death... photos of the hangings of two teenage boys from a few years ago can still be found on the Net. As far as concrete evidence it concerned, a simple Google search will provide plenty of that. Try "gay persecution history" for starters.
ah! but i didn't say gay people, i said transgenders, those who've gone under sexual reassignment surgery. and if you try that, you'll see that they receive rights equal to a woman's. And it's not my job to research all the false claims you post, it's your job to prove them.
Uh, wrong again. It's obvious you don't know much about transgenders, let alone KNOW one. A transgendered person may or may NOT have undergone surgery. And they do NOT necessarily receive all rights equal to a woman... it depends on the country that they are in. Get your facts straight!
There will soon be less Mormons! The convert retention rate for first generation Mormons is zero percent, according to a June 22, 2006 aticle by Peggy Stack, respected religion writer and historian, "Keeping Members a Challenge for the LDS Church" that ran in the Salt Lake Tribune. The Mormon Wiki reports that this "first generation" makes up 64% of the church total membership.
Bible thumpers in the 50's used their books to back the Racial Integrity Act and other laws against "race mongrelization," then the Loving v. Virginia case dashed those "laws" to bits. Public opinion shifted and it will again, that's inevitable. Marriage existed long before Judaism or Christianity. It irks me to see churchies acting like they have a monopoly on marriage. Marriage doesn't always need to be done in a church. Straight atheists and infertile couples can get married... =P
@capon33: no, you are seriously messed up. 3 people together, two bio brothers, and the lesbian with the cocker spaniel are all examples of polygamy, incest and bestiality. Last time I checked, these are all illegal. Being gay is NOT illegal. Your argument is JUNK.
If less than 2% of the U.S. population is LDS, how did proposition 8 pass? Homosexuals are just looking to anyone to vent their anger. Homosexuality never should have been removed DSM IV. The LDS church gives more money to the third world than any other private organization IN THE WORLD. Hardly bigots and racists, they just believe God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. The same arguments for gay marriage could re-establish polygamy--after all, they are adults.
@kenatlaw: Mormons got Prop 8 passed the same way they are able to build multi-million dollar temples where there are few members: money. They contributed at 55% to 75% of the moeny used to pass Prop 8.
And speaking of money, the Mormon church isn't even CLOSE to being the org that gives the most money to the third world! That's a big lie... it's not even in the top ten! Caritas, the Catholic agency, is #1 by far. Oxfam and Save The Children are also far larger, among many others.
@Kaileo1 actually kenatlaw is right. the LDS church IS...and if you read what he wrote you would see but you misread it...it is the largest PRIVATE organization...i know you hate us, but you just looking like an idiot trying to put us in the trash can. you have no idea how much we help people! take HAITI for instance...google how much we have helped...with Katrina and EVERY other natural disaster! we do help more you are just trying to NOT see us as helpful because your bummed about prop 8!
@ryanvegas777: nope, still wrong. i didn't misread at all. the charities I mention are ALL PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS.
And many churches give far more too.. the Lutheran Church in America gives 10% of the tithes it takes in to charity. It's estimated that the Mormon church gives about 1%.
(Now of course, "fast offerings" are a different story and I have no info on that.)
I don't hate the Mormons... I just don't want people to get stuck in an org based on ridiculous stories J Smith made up!
@ryanvegas777: you really shouldn't believe your own propaganda, it's often not true. Kaileo is right, your church is NOT the biggest private org to give to charity.
And it's also not the fastest growing church... that belongs to the Assemnblies of God. 60 million members since JUST 1914. Jehovah's Witnesses & Church of God also grow faster.
14 million members since 1830 sounds pretty wimpy in comparision.
I'm pretty sure he meant that in recent decades it's become the fastest growing church, otherwise you can count the Catholic church as the fastest growing with 1/6 of the worlds population....
@skankit: you sure don't know much, but we're used to that here.
the Mormon church is NO WHERE NEAR the fastest growing church. The fastest growing are the Assemblies of God and 7th Day Adventists, in terms of percentages. The Catholic church adds the most every years in terms of sheer numbers.
Mormon convert baptisms are down about 75,000 a year since the rise of the internet, where people can read about all the crazy stuff the Mormons believe in, and not be fooled.
Considering it's relative youth, it's experienced exponential growth that can be considered remarkable. The 2009 yearbook of Canadian and American churches rank it as one 5 largest churches. Yes, the Jehovah's Witness experienced a 2.12% growth rate in the last year, but the Mormon church grew 1.71% and has larger denomination. The assembly of God grew .96% which just pales in comparison, but thanks for stating your invalid information(:
@skankit: actually, once again, YOU are the one stating invalid information. silly you, since you only looked at the Canadian and US information! check out adherents . com and you'll see that the world-wide numbers are far different.
Furthermore, it's a well-know fact that only about 1/3 of the members on the rolls are actually practicing. Unlike other churches, who only report those why actually ATTEND. And Mormon's U.S. baptism retention rate is around zero.
Um, well Jehovah's witnesses worldwide? 7.3 mil. Mormons? 13,508,509... and whether you go to church doesn't matter, if you claim you're Mormon and accept the beliefs, then you are Mormon. The baptism retention rate is 0? really?? So that means everyone who was baptized Mormon don't go to church! ahaha what a FALLACY!! You really should get your facts straight.
Um, no. There is no way to know if someone still believes in Mormonism. The only accurate way is by church attendance. And you are really showing your absolute stupidity. What baptism retention means is that of new members being baptized, after a year none are still attending.
Um, I wasn't talking about Jehovahs Witnesses... that was some other commentor.
Assemblies of God grow at about 10% a year, with about 60 Million members... and they started in 1914, some 84 years after the Mormons! 7th-Day Adventists grow at about 8% a year, with 15 million members, and they started in 1863.
"We are the biggest donating body of people in the world... see what happens when we choose to stop "
Man you idiots buy your own propoganda hook line and sinker.
The mormon church is not the biggest humanitarian aid and welfare organization in the world. Nice try - but I think the Catholics and the UN have you beat out.
@cryan71: Splintermetalgear prob also thinks that Mormonism is the fastest growing church in the world... not even close! Seventh Day Adventists and Assemblies of God are just two that grow far faster. In fact, in 180 years, this church that was supposed to "fill the earth" has only gotten to be about .2% of the world's population... less than 1/4 of one percent!
Peaceful Mormon Church? Which supported Hiroshima Bombing, Vietnam war, both Iraq wars.., hear those patriotic fanfares? They echo whatever the government tells them to do... in the meantime steadily working towards their goal of BECOMING this government.
Well, perhaps it wasn't all about Hitler, but they did collaborate with the Nazis in order to survive. They did not want to follow the JWs in the Soviet Union who would rather have themselves burned alive than give up their faith. Same was with the Baptists, who were all put in Gulag, but remained firm. Mormon leadership dog-trains their flock to unquestionably follow anyone in power... they would turn in even their parents, shall the Gov't or LEs request it... I liven in Provo... I know.
The Mormons did not bend over before the feds and locals who harassed them and they fought them valiantly back then, in the 1830s-1870s. Now they became STRONG and RICH - and you would have expected MORE of independent, wise politics. But what you see, it the total SURRENDER - the Mormon leadership has literally sold themselves and the Church to the govt, in exchange for tax exempt status and things... persecuted become persecutors and mingle with power - this is the lifecycle of any religion.
Um, just in that statement, I can tell you, there is a large difference in going with government policies, I guess in this case Nazi Germany, and being a general in the SS! With that said, I've never heard of an SS General in service that was Mormon, and trust me, I've looked.
Um find me the name of an SS general who was Mormon and maybe I'll let this one go...but I doubt you can do that seeing that I just proved you wrong on every single point you brought about in these posts haha
@skankit: actually, you haven't. but just like with "Science" you think you have. There's and old saying that you should hire a teenager right away while they still know everything... looks like that is true.
So what kind of girl has a name like "skankiteasy"? You must not think very much of yourself... poor thing!
And don't try to tell me you're talking about that kind of music, I know better...!! LOL
But really, you're growing very tedious with all your mis-information and mis-interpretations. Trying to explain things to you is like teaching a pig to sing... it wastes my time and it annoys the pig. So have fun...
Now, claim you've "won" just because the other person got tired of you. LOL!
Only shows that if a CULT becomes big enough it can claim tax free status. Scientology is also tax exempt. Difference between a CULT and a religion.? About a million members.
Another thing. Tax the Mormons! Please do. I would love it if my church were taxed. We have the money to pay taxes. The 1997 Time Magazine article "Mormons, Inc." placed the Chuch's worth in excess of $30B. Current estimates are $48-$56B. Go ahead. Tax us and then we as a church can get involved in politics without restraint and funnel $ from church businesses back into chosen initiatives. THEN see what kind of monster you un-cage. Careful what you wish for, you just might get it.
Dude seriously I agree with you.... except what we should do is withdraw all our tithing and fast offerings from humantarian aid and welfare... the world would be screwed. We are the biggest donating body of people in the world... see what happens when we choose to stop
Here's the deal. Mormons who donated resources of any fashion to Yes on 8 are entitled to do so as citizens of this great country. The Mormon Church can provide church position on social matters, as is their right as well. People are pissed off because US citizens who are also Mormon became involved in a political process? Wow! How narrow is that? Nobody is degrading the Catholics to any certain degree, even though the Arch Bishop of S.F. was the one that brought the Mormons in for this....
i just honestly think all the "gay" people, and the one straight jewish guy, who posted false statements against the Mormon church on here are PATHETIC... you 'people', if you will, are a bunch of hypocrites. It's a shame that you are humans because you want to single me out for my beliefs! no one is telling you being gay is illegal, we are simply standing up for our B-E-L-I-E-F-S! Lameeeeee!
Personally, I'm not for or against gay marriage, but when the people I love (i.e. my relatives) want to give money to a certain cause, it's perfectly in their rights to do so. However, what I find truly disturbing and out right rude is that people who campaigned for prop 8, specifically Mormons, we're verbally bashed for doing what was in their legal rights...and anyway I guess money did play a part in the campaign, but it was ultimately the voters who passed it, not the Mormon church.
@skank: you may find it disturbing and rude, but it's OUR legal right to protest what the Mormons did. Being verbally bashed is part of the game! And if you can't take the heat, then step away from the stove.
Basically, what you're saying is that it's OK for them to campaign to take away rights from gays, but it's not OK for gays to protest against that. Are you kidding me???!!!
@kaileo1: Haha why don't you take your "verbal bashing" to the Westboro Baptist Church, I'm sure they won't mind extending their rights likewise unto you, which according to you is part of the game. So when other more conservative and aggressive churches take advantage of their free rights and call gays "F*g$" or make generalisations about gay people, it's okay... there is a HUGE difference between a peaceful march and one that is just full of fallacies, lies, and exaggerations.
@skank: you have no idea what you're talking about, kid. gays HAVE been bashed and discriminated against FOR YEARS, by churches, gov't and individuals!
I lost a job for being gay, I lost an apt, and I've been gay bashed myself, when I was a teen. We are NOT going to take it anymore.
@scienceasshole: Let's get one thing straight.. don't insult my intelligence ass b/c i'd bet money I'm way smarter than you! You don't know what your even responding to in you dumbass comment. Calling the Mormon church a "CULT" is a fallacy you moron! It's a recognised organized religion! OH! and Mormons hate gays?? So I'm guessing you surveyed every Mormon on the planet to find that out! That's Bullshit! "Mormons are BIGOTS" that's an exaggeration!
It's like no group of Mormons ever went to the doorstep of a gay couple's house or a gay club and screamed obscenities at them or made tremendous generalisations about them! It's like how do you feel it's right to take low blows, especially to a church you KNOW won't say anything back or be an aggressor!
@skank: UH, so NOT true. How about the guys in the truck with the big "Yes 8" poster, who stopped along our protest march route and started attacking us? How about the door-to-door person who, when she found out I was gay, started screaming that I was an abomination and sick? How about the other one, weeks later, who did pretty much the same stunt?
The LDS church WAS an aggressor in taking away civil rights! They were absolutely WRONG to do that.
And first of all asshole! You are the one being prejudice, b/c just b/c you got attacked for being gay means it's the Mormon Church's fault? So I guess just b/c my cousin was killed by a drunk guy driving, I should want to kill all men, or all people that drink, b/c that sounds similar to your reasoning... and look up the word aggressor before you use it idiot. And they didn't take your rights from you, like I said before it was the voters. Less than 2% of the pop. in CA is Mormon!!
@science: You have yet to justify why it's "OKAY" to spread fallacies about the Mormon church because you're bitter... I already mentioned some of what I've heard in the comment I posted above. All you've really seemed to justify is that it's okay if ultra conservative organizations and bigot churches want to protest against gays and call them "F@g$" or "that GOD hates you all" or "that you will burn in hell", it's perfectly okay to do so. THAT'S BASICALLY ALL YOU PROVEN
It's like, I just proved that you're just bigoted as any racist, sexist, or homophobe and you pretty much can't handle that fact that I proved it to be true. So, realise that your prejudice, I would consider (because I and many others view prejudice in this light) to be a mental illness, and I don't think therapy would help you... you need meds, serious meds or better yet you NEED Jesus(:
Say what you want, you've yet to prove a valid point so I really don't know why you keep talking, you're just making yourself look like an even bigger fool. And I really like how when I exploded my point, your comments have gone from paragraphs to less than 10 words...haha you really have nothing to say b/c your stuck. Seems like you the sad one:D
@skank: Um, no, I am never stuck. I just find you boring and shrill, and I've lost interest.
The points I have made have been perfectly logical and clear... in your comments you seem angry, agitated and you've been calling me names. Guess who people are going to believe?
Um, your so far in denial to think you aren't stuck, and CORRECTION! Your points aren't valid...but I'd definitely guess people would believe me because I know most people wouldn't believe a bunch of extremely inflated personal accounts or someone who is actually a poison, doing no justice, to the gay rights act. And if your done spreading your version of hate, then you're excused. I win(:
bro, this is the real world and I won! relax...you said bye, at least you could have left with dignity but you had to spoil that for yourself too! what is wrong with you?!?!
@skankit: you didn't win over "Science". not even close.
your points can hardly be called points, they're so full of errors. You spout information that has long been proven wrong, and you call names. "Science" would write a comment which would irritate you and make you fire off 3 comments in return, but it's mostly you just telling him how stupid you think he is.
That's not true, aside from the few times I called some names, haha I'm only human, my points are entirely valid, and I definitely won because either of yet to address any of them or prove them wrong. You're just saying that because I got angry my points were invalid, which just isn't the case. And the larger percent of my comments were facts, not insults so you just lied when you said, "...but it's mostly you just telling him how stupid you think he is."
Are you illiterate or blind, maybe you should read how I just put down all the claims you made with solids facts, it's all listed above this comment. Might I suggest Hooked on Phonics?
Oh and way to rip off my comeback, geez you really are worse than all the bigots you hate because at least they don't act like they are holier than thou, however you swear like you are the most open minded person, which I would expect of someone who's faced so many hate crimes...you really are no better than a racist, sexist, or homophobe. You should be ashamed of yourself. (This is in regards to all those agism comments you left me hehe)
dude, this is so pathetic... i mean you have your right to be gay and stuff as do we maintain our right to donate OUR money, not yours, how we see fit. i don't get why you are protesting against us mormons as if we don't have the right to believe in what we want to...
it's just like, dude... get your facts straight... initiatives don't have caps on the amount of donations they can receive, so you're an idiot. and besides, "no on 8" raised more money than the "yes on 8" campaign! you're just bitter, and i feel fine because i stood up for what i believed in
It does not matter that Mormons were a minority regarding the people who voted Yes on 8! It was a hypocritical position for Mormons to take. PLUS, they should not have funded political causes. All this talk about the GLBT Community singling out Mormons - who cares! The Mormons are following a false faith and worship a false God. The Mormons inside the USA WILL get what they deserve, as will the Roman Catholics, for basically picking a fight with the GLBT community.
The Mormon church wasnt the only religious organization that gave money to the Prop 8 campaign. My parents worked a phone bank right along with the Catholic church. Its not fair that the mormon church is the only church that was attacked. Also, you ask for no homophobic slurs, yet at the protest people were calling our church a cult. Thats just as hurtful my friend.
the mormon church donated over 20 million dollars to the yes on 8 campaign. That is the reason it is targeted. They paid for the yes on 8 campaign to run false ads. The mormon church also officially took a political side.
@Peachyballer: Calling the Mormon church a cult is not a slur, because it DOES meet most of the criteria for being a cult... whether you like it or not.
@Kaileo1 - Then how do you know that anything is true? Mormons encourage people to find the "truth" through their own personal revelation- to seek out for themselves what is right. If that makes us cult members, then so be it. Maybe you are part of a cult that believes there is NOT one true church.
@Kaileo1: Why do you say we aren't the "one true religion" because you use the power of your brain? The only argument I see from that is that you are skeptical of all religions.
I won't pretend to be a hard-core LDS member, but you sure know how to inspire those of us who are a bit wishy-washy to strengthen our testimonies. And by that, I'm saying that your attacks on the Mormon church are actually helping spread the teachings because people are sick of your lies and want truth.
@masoid: yes, I am skeptical of all religions, but especially Mormons, due to the abusive "gay-to-straight" conversion therapy they put me through as a teen, and now because of their assault on gay rights. Plus, it's a ridiculous religion built on a series of well-documented inconsistencies.
"sick of (my) lies"? what lies? My statements are all true. These comments may strengthen your testimony, but they have an opposite effect on others, who see the many errors of the Mormon church.
do you realize that more NON MEMBERS of this church voted against it then members did? ya i bet not because you dont care about anyone else...we have kept out mouths shut about others and their way of living life, but when something comes up, like prop 8, and we are told as AMERICANS to choose and vote, we did so...if you dont like it then tough! but dont hate on us just because your unhappy that americans voted against the law. ! its our given right to do so!
We do realise this, however the Mormon church contributed an enormous ammount of money to the campaign for Prop 8 (we were angry that it passed, by the way) and, being a tax-exempt organisation, should be penalized.
Well done for setting the record straight, Matthias. The Mormon Church played a leading role in campaigning for Proposition 8, spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on in-kind- contributions, plus encouraging its members to donate time and means from the highest level, resulting in Mormons donating millions. Because more non-Mormons voted for Prop 8 is not the reason people are angry.
@timonline2000 look guys, the facts are there, i will agree. we did donate lots to help it NOT pass, but we were able to do so, so we did. you AS AMERICANS have the right to be gay. and we AS AMERICANS have the right to vote against what we do not believe in. sorry that you lost. but don't blame us. we were given the right to vote so we did. sorry that y'all cant understand that. if we did something wrong, we would have been punished, but obviously being that it didnt pass, we did nothing wrong!
@ryanvegas777: the reason why many people feel you DID do something wrong is because you crossed the line between religious marriage and civil marriage. These are two different things. While both involve committment, one is between you, your spouse and your God, while the other is between the state & brings many benefits not avail anyway else.
The CA Supreme Court made it clear in their decision that churches could STILL decide whom to marry. But CIVIL marriage is a right that all deserve!
but basically what your saying is that the Mormon church bribed the entire state of CA and that Californians are so dumb as to base their vote off of a commercial or pamphlet or speech... if you look at what your fighting for, it's an insult to every citizen of CA that voted yes on prop 8.
all u who hate gays shut up! i am strait but i am also jewish. i know how painful persecution feelz and seriously whether the Bible forbids this or not, u r not G-d and its not ur job to decide to do stuff to ppl., unless it protects others or stops them from damage. seriously, dont hate!!!
These stupid people are so blind and understand not the scriptures!! this MORMON CHURCH is so fucked up now that polygamy and touching when doing initiatories in their temples are ok...ridiculous! Joseph Smith did not fulfill everything that he's suppose to fulfill that was given to him. Instead, that idiot too hid the truth and did the otherwise and then later the church leaders began to be very prejudiced against black and brown people up until now!! very sad for these liars!!
Crazedanime, this was not a vote on church law, this was a vote on civil law(government). You can believe what you want about gay marriage. Nobody is forcing you to marry someone of the same sex or tell your kids that it's okay to marry someone of the same sex. But you crossed the line when you turned that religious belief into the law of the land to take away someone else's right.The Bible says women should not speak in church. Shall we put that on the ballot?
Then should be redue our money and our system of goverment as well? "In God We Trust" is on our dollar bill. In a court of law we swear over a bible to tell the truth. These are all religious beliefs that have made it into the law of the land. What is so different about this instance of people wanting to have their beliefs inforced by the government they are serving and living under?
kthcsh, a protest is not persecution. Persecution is subjecting people to electroshock therapy, which the mormons have done, to change gay people to straight. You cannot thrust yourself into the arena of politics, take away the rights of tens of thousands of couples, and then jump back over the fence and yell, "Leave us alone, we're a church!"
the gay society was terribly hypocritical here. allow me to clarify first though,
I BELIEVE AND SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGE!
the irony is that the gays want "equal rights". the org for the protection of marriage, which is the org that got it put on the balled, which is NOT made up of church, had it put on the balled SO THAT THE PUBLIC COULD ALL HAVE EQUAL RIGHTS!!
the Gay society lost and then went back to ONE church and wasted a day there persecuting and misjudging a people.
equal rights? blame the mormons? hello you idiot protesters, 70% of African Americans voted YES! the proposition passed because of their votes, not the mormons money. Hello votes wins the election not money. You protesters are too cowardly to protest the black community. I know lets blame the mormons because they won't fight back so lets protest in front of their temple. Cowards! Thank you to the blacks, they all rushed to the polls to vote for Obama and 70% voted YES on Prop 8!
its because they spent millions of dollars for prop 8, your the moron get facts straight. who are the cowards really. the people who are affraid of two people wanting to get married. or the people standing up for their rights? so you think black people were cowards? you think that martin luther king was a coward?
The mormons are NOT afraid of two people getting married, they are standing up for what they believe in. Is it wrong to have a belief in something? Is it wrong to want what you hold as sacred to be kept sacred to you? Is it wrong to promote what you believe in as right? Just like these protesters, the Church of Jesus Christ and its members are only standing up for what they know is right. Hate can only bring about more hate and they have never said that they hated anyone.
umm if you are not afraid of us then why are you trying to make a bill to stop gays from getting married. i am tired of yall saying one thing but when we point out that what you say is incorrect. then you change it. one minute we are destroying a country and childrens lives and the next we are fuzzy little bunnies. get it fucking straight already.
Okay. I am sorry if I offended you or what I said was miss interpreted. The Church is not confused nor are they afraid of the gays. People are trying to simply stand up for what they believe is right. The keyword here is believe. Yes it may seem unfair that I say the Mormans are not afraid for gays or giving them rights but still want to stop them from getting married but they are simply standing up for what they believe is right just as these protesters are standing up for what they believe in.
the people have spokens yes on 8 americans let's stop them and keep it that way and cut that bullshit out saying it's a human rights things and civil rights wow gays not a right it's a choose.. SO WHAT IF I GET HATTING ON I DON'T CARE IT'S MY RIGHT TO SPEAK i am loving that this pass keep it up all right....
do you even speak english? spokens is not a word. and if i am getting this straight i dont know you dont have grammar skills what so ever. but it seems to me that you are saying we dont have a right to love?
Yeah maybe the Mormon church could tell all those afro american conservatives joining they were second class citizens in the church until 1978 and in the 1950s the mormons said blacks could only be saved by being slaves. Young even said interacial marriage should merit death. You removed multiple marriages to one man for social favour.Preaching married couples reach higher heaven then singles and that humans can be equal to God are lying to 'Christians' like they did in the ads to win a Yes vote
Isiah 5:20 20 ¶ Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Says it all really. a few thousand years later and here you are fulfilling Isiahs words
What do you expect them to do after they've been violated by the Mormon Church (and others) by them stripping away their civil rights? Just shut up and take it? Come on. People need to be accountable for their actions. There's not much more despicable than using mob mentality to take away a minority group's civil rights.
Did God vote for hste?? I don't think so.....did God pleased himself with bodyguarrd who had guns??? I don't think so....Did God outrule any of His children, may them be gay??? I don't think so....Did God invent prop. 8??? I don't think so....
the point is that we can make ridiculous false claims about you and you wont like the feel of that either, I do not literally mean you have 10 wives, I'm just making a point. the yes on 8 ads made a lot of lies and we do not like it as much as you did not like my false claim.
Prop 8 was written to re-define marriage. I don't know about anyone else, but I believe that marriage is between a man and a woman. I don't care if the gay community has the domestic partnership thing. It's not about taking away the rights of the gay community, because that is not what happened. It's about standing up for what I believe. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints merely took a stand on what they believe marriage to be. I am proud to be Mormon! And I will defend my Church!
Yes, but once you took that stand to change the Constitution you crossed the line because now gay people live with the consequences of your actions and now they have the rights of a second class citizen.
Leviticus 18:22
GOD HATES FUDGEPACKIN BUTT-BLASTERS!
GO AHEAD & DELETE MY COMMENT. IT WON'T SAVE YOUR AIDS INFESTED ASS FROM HELL YOU DISGUSTING PIECE OF SUBHUMAN SHIT!
Dr3wcif3r 2 months ago
homophobic slurs will be removed
but antichristians slurs are accepted
Peace, and watch lesbian porn
trifulquita15 2 months ago
Prop 8 is nothing but Bull. Being supported by lies and set ups.
freimiser 10 months ago
Members of the church voted and donated money, the church itself didn't. Nothing illegal was done.
majinish 11 months ago
So, because a group of people, a lot of whom belong to the LDS religion voted against something you desired and believed in, that gives you the right to call them names, and mock them?
dekidd007 1 year ago
mormons are dumb..i used to be one but they found out i was gay and you can guess what happened next...
Chris242tt 1 year ago
Prop 8 was purely motivated by religious dogma and has no rational merit. Apparently the Church of Latter Day Saints and the Roman Catholic Church want to throw out the US Constitution and make this a theocracy. The Prop 8 supporters in the Prop 8 trial had a difficult time defending why Prop 8 was necessary.
rockfordguy24 1 year ago
@mstep3
First off I not gay, which I would rather be than believe the crap Mormons believe, following a fossil who claim to speak for god, thinking blacks are cursed with the mark of cain, Not to mention all the other religions laugh at your book of Mormon, thinking Indians were Jews, becoming gods and they even call you nothing more than a cult going door to door seeing how falls for that white guy from new york gold tablets fairytale, which I think he was a fag by the way he dressed lol.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84 that's nice, but why should i care since i'm not mormon?
mstep3 1 year ago
@mstep3
Than why do you care if they shout at that building, we are in the 21st century that's why we can't let religions impose there fairytale belief's to the rest of the people, that happened a long time ago, when we didn't have separation of church and state.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@mstep3
I don't know, a cult that believes a white guy from new york speaks for god through gold plates, magic stones, holly underwear, married many underage girls and after all that you become a god is funnier as there are people who believe that.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@mstep3
A group of religious retards following a fairytale book is better....
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@Benishe
Don't make me laugh, that prop was mainly backed by religions that not everyone believes yet they feel a need to impose on everyone.They have a right to vote but when they become they major supporter and organizer of this political subject there tax free exempt should be looked at. As a fact Mormons where the main pusher of this prop and there is a video here that has there president telling them how to vote, that's why Mormons are being protested the most.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84
California isn't a Mormon state unlike Utah, but they spread lies in there commercials say that if this prop didn't pass they would be forced to marry gay people which is a lie. I thought we were living in the 21st century, even thou there are churches thinking they have still have a say in how laws are passed like the catholic church did a long and awful time ago.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84 Thanks for proving my point. You are denying democracy on foundation. Regardless the religion and its power, the VOTES matter. Mormons didn't force anyone to vote "yes" on Prop8. If you don't want a religion to have their members to vote according to their doctrines, then you are taking away their free speech right, not to mention the tax free exempt just because you hate them.
Once again, gringo gay people try to make themselves a special people... when they are just normal...
Benishe 1 year ago
@Benishe
First the Mormons put out adds that said lies about that prop, that it would make all religions have to marry gays which it does not. If a religion is telling it's members how to vote then yes they should have there tax free exempt taking away since they are supposed to stay neutral on these things and let there members choose on there own, not because I hate them ok. It might be easier where your from but here gringo gays don't have the same rights as from where your from.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84 With all the respect of the world, don't misunderstand this: How can a religion stay neutral, by your definition? By teaching nothing about any matter, I guess. Given that faithful believers donated money to defend their thoughts on the definition of the word "marriage", and voted according to the same thing, I wonder why that means they don't deserve to be treated as any other religion. Free speech is granted for everyone, not just "neutral" straight people and LGBT people.
Benishe 1 year ago
@Benishe - "How can a religion stay neutral, by your definition? By teaching nothing about any matter, I guess." How about by not trying to bend the government to your personal will? How about by governing your own members and teaching your own kids and leaving everyone else alone who is not a part of your religion? As for the "it all comes down to a definition" no, it doesn't.
Read: gaylife . about . c0m / od / samesexmarriage / f / civilmarriage . htm
Death2Bigots 1 year ago
@MrSinister84 As many Prop8 unsuporters have said (and I think the same), it's not a matter of popular vote. I see you agree, but please, be realistic. This whole discussion is just because of the meaning of one single word. Here in Bogotá, LGBT never raised a riot in front of our Temple or Catholic churches just because they can be "married", but the idiomatic expression is actually "unión civil" (lit: civil union), not "marriage", which is the problem in Prop8, am I right?
Benishe 1 year ago
@Benishe
With all do respect as well and you do have very valid points but my main problem is when a religion any religion decides to force its beliefs on the rest the people and also making false statements to encourage people to vote for it was wrong since they didn't show the truth about the prop. It is never a good idea when the majority can pass legislation that mainly impacts the minorities.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84 - The whole "forcing churches to marry gays," crap is just churchie fearmongering. A straight couple can go get a marriage licence without even setting foot in a church. But a gay couple, at best will get "civil union" which still leaves out a ton of other things that only marriage has. Important things like the right to hospital visitations and Family / Medical Leave from work to care for a sick or injured partner. Xtians wanted the same control over race mixing in the 50's.
Death2Bigots 1 year ago
@Death2Bigots
I agree with you, the same religious crap was used in the 50's because they didn't want interracial marriage and now since that is gone they have to go and do the same thing to gay marriage. Why isn't that title 26 used on the Catholic, Mormon and the rest of the churches that were trying to pass that prop? Those two groups of "religion" are the last that should say anything about family and marriage with there molestation cases and polygamy history.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84 - Hey now, it ain't just the cathy-licks and the polygamormons that molest kids, that crap happens just as easily in other factions of Christianity, it just doesn't get reported on as often. Lesse, there's Holly Barnes a FEMALE teacher at Grace Baptist Church who was arrested for here involvement with a 14yo male, then there's Chris Settlemoir who was a principal at Warren Baptist School, I'm sure these aren't the only two... I just searched "christian + molestation" in Google.
Death2Bigots 1 year ago
@Death2Bigots
Sadly that doesn't sound surprising as the ones who want to "defend" marriage and family so religiously passionate are the ones that it should be protected from. Was that title 26 you mentioned earlier going to be used against the Mormons, Catholics or anyone who helped that prop? I think all those "religions" that were involved should have there holy tax exempt revoked permanently and finned but that's just me.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
Pinning blame on catholics and gays is just a dodge tactic. Here's summore xtian molestors I found: Chad Stoffel of Summit Christian School in West Palm Beach confessed to molesting two teenage boys. Leaders of Shiloh Baptist Church in NEWARK, N.J. hired Chavalis T. Williams as pastor with full knowledge he had previously been convicted in Florida. Darrell Gilyard, an African-American preacher at Shiloh Metropolitan Baptist Church in Jacksonville, Fla pleaded guilty to molesting a 15yo girl.
Death2Bigots 1 year ago
@MrSinister84 Make your goverment approve it in a legal way, not popular voting, then! If I understand, you really think LDS Church as an organization must stay away from your rights. Nothing more. If that's so, you're on your right. But true neutrality will never exist in any religion, 'cause they have beliefs and creeds to defend, so let's take away all religion's tax free exempt to make you happy...
Benishe 1 year ago
@Benishe
There are many religions that do stay neutral and don't tell voters how and who to vote for. I don't care if they do but staying tax free while doing it is too much since not only are citizens forced to indirectly support religious organizations, but some groups benefit much more than others, resulting in problematic religious favoritism. The US Code Title 26, which governs tax-exempt organizations says they can't carry on propaganda, or otherwise attempting, to influence legislation.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84 - "The US Code Title 26, which governs tax-exempt organizations says they can't carry on propaganda, or otherwise attempting, to influence legislation." And there's still Separation of Church and State. We have Freedom of Religion, but we also have Freedom FROM it as well. No church should have any power over people from another religion, or people who are not affiliated with any religion at all. Religion has no place in politics, when it tries to force itself in, things go bad.
Death2Bigots 1 year ago
Shouting to a religious building... I thought we were livin' in the 21st century.
Benishe 1 year ago
@Benishe
A religion imposing its belief's into everyone, which not everyone believes... I thought we were living in the 21st century.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
Shouting at a religious building... I thought we were living in the 21st century, a time of tolerance and pluriculturality...
Benishe 1 year ago
@skank: take it easy man, let's have some courtesy when discussing these matters.
@Science: Funny how you talk about all of the "horrible trials" the gay community has gone through, because I'm fairly sure there used to be an extermination order out for the Mormons. They have had their fair share of discrimination; this matter is simply an ideologically driven battle, not a "who's got it worse?" contest.
masoid3 1 year ago
@masoid: the extermination order was issued because of the extremely bad behavior of the Mormons in what was called the "Mormon War"... it was believed that the Mormons would cause an insurrection against the state of Missouri.
That, however, is NOT discrimination. It is cause and effect. Do some reading on it from sources outside the Mormon church. When I was a Mormon, I only got one side of the story.
Kaileo1 1 year ago
@Kaileo & Sci: It just seems like both of you are bitter ex-Mormons...I mean they did what was in their legal rights, and Kaileo, you said that mormons raised the majority of money used to pass prop 8, um as far as i know money doesn't pass propositions, voters do, and in that case "no on 8" campaign raised more money than "yes on 8" so I'm not understanding your argument. You both keep blaming Mormons, what about the voters....?
skankiteasy 1 year ago
@skankit: I'll help you out & explain this one to you too, then I'm done for now.
voters were fooled into thinking that all kinds of bad things would happen with gay marriage. Lies about how it would destroy "traditional" marriage, it would be taught to kids, it would affect religious freedom, etc.
The Mormons were the ones who paid the MOST to put these lies out there. Other religions were involved but not as much as the Mormons.
NOW do you understand why people blame the Mormons???
Kaileo1 1 year ago
The commercials that aired, yes I've see them, technically weren't lies, they all had actually occurred. However, I haven't met anyone who's seen those commercials and said "OMG, gay people are going to turn the kids against us!!" No, the average voter has the intellect to base their vote on personal beliefs than what a commercial tells them. And on top of that, Mormons didn't create the commercials...
skankiteasy 1 year ago
Another thing is if it was the "money", as you claim, that "won" prop 8, then how do you explain the fact that the No on 8 campaign raised more funds than the Yes on 8 campaign did? If it was truly about the money put into the campaign, according to your logic, shouldn't No on 8 have won then??!?
skankiteasy 1 year ago
@skankit: this is why I never argue with teenagers... they can't comprehend fully. i did not say it was the money. I said it was the LIES. Geez, pay attention...
Kaileo1 1 year ago
Wow...way to make yourself seem even more prejudice, now discriminating due to age? You think you are superior to those younger than you. You really are just a huge hypocrite. And let me quote you from a comment you posted earlier:
"@kenatlaw: Mormons got Prop 8 passed the same way they are able to build multi-million dollar temples where there are few members: money. They contributed at 55% to 75% of the moeny used to pass Prop 8."
Oh, you didn't say money?
skankiteasy 1 year ago
This is where either your willfull ignorance or plain stupidity comes into play. You're still not understanding the connection between the money spent and the lies that money spread. The LIES convinced the voters to vote yes... the money spread those lies. Clear enough for you? If not, read it really slow and mouth the words... that helps.
And yes, older people typically know more than teenagers, whether you like it or not, or realize it or not!
Kaileo1 1 year ago
@masoid: yep, Kaileo is right... the Mormons basically brought animosity upon them due to their aggresive actions among their neighbors. And I'm an ex-Mo too... I know the history from both sides.
On the other hand, gays have been abused and discriminated against since the BEGINNING of history... due to their innate orientation, nothing more!
Apples and oranges.... absolutely no comparision!
ScienceReasonBelief 1 year ago
@masoid3: don't put your two cents in the middle of a convo, b/c you failed to realise the entire situation.
Kaileo & Sci: Um... gays haven't been discriminated against since the beginning of time. In ancient Greece, pederastic relationships between older and younger men were seen as normal. And in feudal Japan, many of the countries high ranking samurais engaged in homosexual relationships...so that's a false statement (once again)!
skankiteasy 1 year ago
@skankit: Wow, you really don't think things thru, do you!? You named 2 cultures of HUNDREDS on this planet. "False statement"? Don't be ridiculous! FAR MORE cultures persecuted gays than accept... my guess would be 95% to 5%. "Science" is right, you're not.
Gays have been beaten, raped, enslaved, killed & mutilated for centuries, & still are, PLUS denied housing, employmt, health care, etc, etc.
Are you really so ignorant about history that you need to have someone explain this to you?
Kaileo1 1 year ago
You're just naming events that occurred in your history, you still have failed to mention any concrete evidence, and in my case, in Iran and the south pacific, transvestites are treated as though they are women, the same goes for Thailand. Asia has a long history of gay tolerance and in recent history so has Scandinavia.
skankiteasy 1 year ago
@skankit: Uh, once again, you're wrong. In Iran, members of the LGBT community are put to death... photos of the hangings of two teenage boys from a few years ago can still be found on the Net. As far as concrete evidence it concerned, a simple Google search will provide plenty of that. Try "gay persecution history" for starters.
Kaileo1 1 year ago
ah! but i didn't say gay people, i said transgenders, those who've gone under sexual reassignment surgery. and if you try that, you'll see that they receive rights equal to a woman's. And it's not my job to research all the false claims you post, it's your job to prove them.
skankiteasy 1 year ago
Uh, wrong again. It's obvious you don't know much about transgenders, let alone KNOW one. A transgendered person may or may NOT have undergone surgery. And they do NOT necessarily receive all rights equal to a woman... it depends on the country that they are in. Get your facts straight!
Kaileo1 1 year ago
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There will soon be less Mormons! The convert retention rate for first generation Mormons is zero percent, according to a June 22, 2006 aticle by Peggy Stack, respected religion writer and historian, "Keeping Members a Challenge for the LDS Church" that ran in the Salt Lake Tribune. The Mormon Wiki reports that this "first generation" makes up 64% of the church total membership.
divinehumanism 2 years ago
We don't CHOOSE to be gay. I'm deleting your comment because you are ridic.
fakingfrench 2 years ago
@fakingfrench You are so right, being gay isn't a choice, being a certain religion is.
AstroMen2911 1 year ago
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Bible thumpers in the 50's used their books to back the Racial Integrity Act and other laws against "race mongrelization," then the Loving v. Virginia case dashed those "laws" to bits. Public opinion shifted and it will again, that's inevitable. Marriage existed long before Judaism or Christianity. It irks me to see churchies acting like they have a monopoly on marriage. Marriage doesn't always need to be done in a church. Straight atheists and infertile couples can get married... =P
Death2Bigots 1 year ago
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Kaileo1 2 years ago
@capon33: no, you are seriously messed up. 3 people together, two bio brothers, and the lesbian with the cocker spaniel are all examples of polygamy, incest and bestiality. Last time I checked, these are all illegal. Being gay is NOT illegal. Your argument is JUNK.
Kaileo1 2 years ago
If less than 2% of the U.S. population is LDS, how did proposition 8 pass? Homosexuals are just looking to anyone to vent their anger. Homosexuality never should have been removed DSM IV. The LDS church gives more money to the third world than any other private organization IN THE WORLD. Hardly bigots and racists, they just believe God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. The same arguments for gay marriage could re-establish polygamy--after all, they are adults.
kenatlaw 2 years ago
@kenatlaw: Mormons got Prop 8 passed the same way they are able to build multi-million dollar temples where there are few members: money. They contributed at 55% to 75% of the moeny used to pass Prop 8.
And speaking of money, the Mormon church isn't even CLOSE to being the org that gives the most money to the third world! That's a big lie... it's not even in the top ten! Caritas, the Catholic agency, is #1 by far. Oxfam and Save The Children are also far larger, among many others.
Kaileo1 2 years ago
@Kaileo1 actually kenatlaw is right. the LDS church IS...and if you read what he wrote you would see but you misread it...it is the largest PRIVATE organization...i know you hate us, but you just looking like an idiot trying to put us in the trash can. you have no idea how much we help people! take HAITI for instance...google how much we have helped...with Katrina and EVERY other natural disaster! we do help more you are just trying to NOT see us as helpful because your bummed about prop 8!
ryanvegas777 2 years ago
@ryanvegas777: nope, still wrong. i didn't misread at all. the charities I mention are ALL PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS.
And many churches give far more too.. the Lutheran Church in America gives 10% of the tithes it takes in to charity. It's estimated that the Mormon church gives about 1%.
(Now of course, "fast offerings" are a different story and I have no info on that.)
I don't hate the Mormons... I just don't want people to get stuck in an org based on ridiculous stories J Smith made up!
Kaileo1 2 years ago
@ryanvegas777: so, whether you agree with it or not, do you now understand why many people think the Mormons and their allies did something wrong?
Kaileo1 2 years ago
@ryanvegas777: you really shouldn't believe your own propaganda, it's often not true. Kaileo is right, your church is NOT the biggest private org to give to charity.
And it's also not the fastest growing church... that belongs to the Assemnblies of God. 60 million members since JUST 1914. Jehovah's Witnesses & Church of God also grow faster.
14 million members since 1830 sounds pretty wimpy in comparision.
divinehumanism 2 years ago
I'm pretty sure he meant that in recent decades it's become the fastest growing church, otherwise you can count the Catholic church as the fastest growing with 1/6 of the worlds population....
skankiteasy 1 year ago
@skankit: you sure don't know much, but we're used to that here.
the Mormon church is NO WHERE NEAR the fastest growing church. The fastest growing are the Assemblies of God and 7th Day Adventists, in terms of percentages. The Catholic church adds the most every years in terms of sheer numbers.
Mormon convert baptisms are down about 75,000 a year since the rise of the internet, where people can read about all the crazy stuff the Mormons believe in, and not be fooled.
Kaileo1 1 year ago
Considering it's relative youth, it's experienced exponential growth that can be considered remarkable. The 2009 yearbook of Canadian and American churches rank it as one 5 largest churches. Yes, the Jehovah's Witness experienced a 2.12% growth rate in the last year, but the Mormon church grew 1.71% and has larger denomination. The assembly of God grew .96% which just pales in comparison, but thanks for stating your invalid information(:
skankiteasy 1 year ago
@skankit: actually, once again, YOU are the one stating invalid information. silly you, since you only looked at the Canadian and US information! check out adherents . com and you'll see that the world-wide numbers are far different.
Furthermore, it's a well-know fact that only about 1/3 of the members on the rolls are actually practicing. Unlike other churches, who only report those why actually ATTEND. And Mormon's U.S. baptism retention rate is around zero.
Kaileo1 1 year ago
Um, well Jehovah's witnesses worldwide? 7.3 mil. Mormons? 13,508,509... and whether you go to church doesn't matter, if you claim you're Mormon and accept the beliefs, then you are Mormon. The baptism retention rate is 0? really?? So that means everyone who was baptized Mormon don't go to church! ahaha what a FALLACY!! You really should get your facts straight.
skankiteasy 1 year ago
Um, no. There is no way to know if someone still believes in Mormonism. The only accurate way is by church attendance. And you are really showing your absolute stupidity. What baptism retention means is that of new members being baptized, after a year none are still attending.
Kaileo1 1 year ago
Um, I wasn't talking about Jehovahs Witnesses... that was some other commentor.
Assemblies of God grow at about 10% a year, with about 60 Million members... and they started in 1914, some 84 years after the Mormons! 7th-Day Adventists grow at about 8% a year, with 15 million members, and they started in 1863.
You really need to do better research.
Kaileo1 1 year ago
if that last part was true, then wouldn't the mormons want prop h8 to fail?
idaman12345 1 year ago
@Splintermetalgear
"We are the biggest donating body of people in the world... see what happens when we choose to stop "
Man you idiots buy your own propoganda hook line and sinker.
The mormon church is not the biggest humanitarian aid and welfare organization in the world. Nice try - but I think the Catholics and the UN have you beat out.
cryan71 2 years ago
@cryan71: Splintermetalgear prob also thinks that Mormonism is the fastest growing church in the world... not even close! Seventh Day Adventists and Assemblies of God are just two that grow far faster. In fact, in 180 years, this church that was supposed to "fill the earth" has only gotten to be about .2% of the world's population... less than 1/4 of one percent!
There's more gays in the world than Mormons!
Kaileo1 2 years ago
Peaceful Mormon Church? Which supported Hiroshima Bombing, Vietnam war, both Iraq wars.., hear those patriotic fanfares? They echo whatever the government tells them to do... in the meantime steadily working towards their goal of BECOMING this government.
0x123456789ABCDEF 2 years ago
Don't forgot the Mormon church in Germany was all about Hitler. Many of SS leadership was mormon.
cryan71 2 years ago
Well, perhaps it wasn't all about Hitler, but they did collaborate with the Nazis in order to survive. They did not want to follow the JWs in the Soviet Union who would rather have themselves burned alive than give up their faith. Same was with the Baptists, who were all put in Gulag, but remained firm. Mormon leadership dog-trains their flock to unquestionably follow anyone in power... they would turn in even their parents, shall the Gov't or LEs request it... I liven in Provo... I know.
0x123456789ABCDEF 2 years ago
The Mormons did not bend over before the feds and locals who harassed them and they fought them valiantly back then, in the 1830s-1870s. Now they became STRONG and RICH - and you would have expected MORE of independent, wise politics. But what you see, it the total SURRENDER - the Mormon leadership has literally sold themselves and the Church to the govt, in exchange for tax exempt status and things... persecuted become persecutors and mingle with power - this is the lifecycle of any religion.
0x123456789ABCDEF 2 years ago
I beg to differ on that statement, I've never heard of Mormon SS leaders....
skankiteasy 1 year ago
Look it up. Mormons supported the Nazis.
cryan71 1 year ago
Um, just in that statement, I can tell you, there is a large difference in going with government policies, I guess in this case Nazi Germany, and being a general in the SS! With that said, I've never heard of an SS General in service that was Mormon, and trust me, I've looked.
skankiteasy 1 year ago
You've never heard of a lot of stuff, so that doesn't surprise me.
Kaileo1 1 year ago
Um find me the name of an SS general who was Mormon and maybe I'll let this one go...but I doubt you can do that seeing that I just proved you wrong on every single point you brought about in these posts haha
skankiteasy 1 year ago
@skankit: actually, you haven't. but just like with "Science" you think you have. There's and old saying that you should hire a teenager right away while they still know everything... looks like that is true.
Kaileo1 1 year ago
Whoa dude, stop discriminating on terms of age, that's a form of hate, you hater! hahaha
skankiteasy 1 year ago
So what kind of girl has a name like "skankiteasy"? You must not think very much of yourself... poor thing!
And don't try to tell me you're talking about that kind of music, I know better...!! LOL
But really, you're growing very tedious with all your mis-information and mis-interpretations. Trying to explain things to you is like teaching a pig to sing... it wastes my time and it annoys the pig. So have fun...
Now, claim you've "won" just because the other person got tired of you. LOL!
Kaileo1 1 year ago
There is a genre called reggae music you hater! ahaha. Mozart isn't the only artist that exists you know....
skankiteasy 1 year ago
you really make me tired (yawn)
skankiteasy 1 year ago
Only shows that if a CULT becomes big enough it can claim tax free status. Scientology is also tax exempt. Difference between a CULT and a religion.? About a million members.
deadmantyping2 2 years ago
LOL!
Splintermetalgear 2 years ago
Another thing. Tax the Mormons! Please do. I would love it if my church were taxed. We have the money to pay taxes. The 1997 Time Magazine article "Mormons, Inc." placed the Chuch's worth in excess of $30B. Current estimates are $48-$56B. Go ahead. Tax us and then we as a church can get involved in politics without restraint and funnel $ from church businesses back into chosen initiatives. THEN see what kind of monster you un-cage. Careful what you wish for, you just might get it.
woogeteater 2 years ago
Dude seriously I agree with you.... except what we should do is withdraw all our tithing and fast offerings from humantarian aid and welfare... the world would be screwed. We are the biggest donating body of people in the world... see what happens when we choose to stop
Splintermetalgear 2 years ago
@woogeteater: uh, wrong. even corporations who pay taxes have restrictions on how involved they can be in politics. how naive.
Kaileo1 2 years ago
Here's the deal. Mormons who donated resources of any fashion to Yes on 8 are entitled to do so as citizens of this great country. The Mormon Church can provide church position on social matters, as is their right as well. People are pissed off because US citizens who are also Mormon became involved in a political process? Wow! How narrow is that? Nobody is degrading the Catholics to any certain degree, even though the Arch Bishop of S.F. was the one that brought the Mormons in for this....
woogeteater 2 years ago
i just honestly think all the "gay" people, and the one straight jewish guy, who posted false statements against the Mormon church on here are PATHETIC... you 'people', if you will, are a bunch of hypocrites. It's a shame that you are humans because you want to single me out for my beliefs! no one is telling you being gay is illegal, we are simply standing up for our B-E-L-I-E-F-S! Lameeeeee!
skankiteasy 2 years ago
@skankiteasy: no, you are simply standing up for discrimination and bigotry.
Kaileo1 2 years ago
Personally, I'm not for or against gay marriage, but when the people I love (i.e. my relatives) want to give money to a certain cause, it's perfectly in their rights to do so. However, what I find truly disturbing and out right rude is that people who campaigned for prop 8, specifically Mormons, we're verbally bashed for doing what was in their legal rights...and anyway I guess money did play a part in the campaign, but it was ultimately the voters who passed it, not the Mormon church.
skankiteasy 1 year ago
@skank: you may find it disturbing and rude, but it's OUR legal right to protest what the Mormons did. Being verbally bashed is part of the game! And if you can't take the heat, then step away from the stove.
Basically, what you're saying is that it's OK for them to campaign to take away rights from gays, but it's not OK for gays to protest against that. Are you kidding me???!!!
Kaileo1 1 year ago
@kaileo1: Haha why don't you take your "verbal bashing" to the Westboro Baptist Church, I'm sure they won't mind extending their rights likewise unto you, which according to you is part of the game. So when other more conservative and aggressive churches take advantage of their free rights and call gays "F*g$" or make generalisations about gay people, it's okay... there is a HUGE difference between a peaceful march and one that is just full of fallacies, lies, and exaggerations.
skankiteasy 1 year ago
@skank: you have no idea what you're talking about, kid. gays HAVE been bashed and discriminated against FOR YEARS, by churches, gov't and individuals!
I lost a job for being gay, I lost an apt, and I've been gay bashed myself, when I was a teen. We are NOT going to take it anymore.
Fallacies, lies and exaggerations? Bullshit.
ScienceReasonBelief 1 year ago
@scienceasshole: Let's get one thing straight.. don't insult my intelligence ass b/c i'd bet money I'm way smarter than you! You don't know what your even responding to in you dumbass comment. Calling the Mormon church a "CULT" is a fallacy you moron! It's a recognised organized religion! OH! and Mormons hate gays?? So I'm guessing you surveyed every Mormon on the planet to find that out! That's Bullshit! "Mormons are BIGOTS" that's an exaggeration!
skankiteasy 1 year ago
It's like no group of Mormons ever went to the doorstep of a gay couple's house or a gay club and screamed obscenities at them or made tremendous generalisations about them! It's like how do you feel it's right to take low blows, especially to a church you KNOW won't say anything back or be an aggressor!
skankiteasy 1 year ago
@skank: UH, so NOT true. How about the guys in the truck with the big "Yes 8" poster, who stopped along our protest march route and started attacking us? How about the door-to-door person who, when she found out I was gay, started screaming that I was an abomination and sick? How about the other one, weeks later, who did pretty much the same stunt?
The LDS church WAS an aggressor in taking away civil rights! They were absolutely WRONG to do that.
ScienceReasonBelief 1 year ago
And first of all asshole! You are the one being prejudice, b/c just b/c you got attacked for being gay means it's the Mormon Church's fault? So I guess just b/c my cousin was killed by a drunk guy driving, I should want to kill all men, or all people that drink, b/c that sounds similar to your reasoning... and look up the word aggressor before you use it idiot. And they didn't take your rights from you, like I said before it was the voters. Less than 2% of the pop. in CA is Mormon!!
skankiteasy 1 year ago
@science: You have yet to justify why it's "OKAY" to spread fallacies about the Mormon church because you're bitter... I already mentioned some of what I've heard in the comment I posted above. All you've really seemed to justify is that it's okay if ultra conservative organizations and bigot churches want to protest against gays and call them "F@g$" or "that GOD hates you all" or "that you will burn in hell", it's perfectly okay to do so. THAT'S BASICALLY ALL YOU PROVEN
skankiteasy 1 year ago
@skank: wow, you have MAJOR issues. good luck with that... therapy may help.
ScienceReasonBelief 1 year ago
It's like, I just proved that you're just bigoted as any racist, sexist, or homophobe and you pretty much can't handle that fact that I proved it to be true. So, realise that your prejudice, I would consider (because I and many others view prejudice in this light) to be a mental illness, and I don't think therapy would help you... you need meds, serious meds or better yet you NEED Jesus(:
skankiteasy 1 year ago
@skank: ha ha ha ha ha ha.... you are just too much! soooo sad, too!
ScienceReasonBelief 1 year ago
Say what you want, you've yet to prove a valid point so I really don't know why you keep talking, you're just making yourself look like an even bigger fool. And I really like how when I exploded my point, your comments have gone from paragraphs to less than 10 words...haha you really have nothing to say b/c your stuck. Seems like you the sad one:D
skankiteasy 1 year ago
@skank: Um, no, I am never stuck. I just find you boring and shrill, and I've lost interest.
The points I have made have been perfectly logical and clear... in your comments you seem angry, agitated and you've been calling me names. Guess who people are going to believe?
Buh-bye!
ScienceReasonBelief 1 year ago
Um, your so far in denial to think you aren't stuck, and CORRECTION! Your points aren't valid...but I'd definitely guess people would believe me because I know most people wouldn't believe a bunch of extremely inflated personal accounts or someone who is actually a poison, doing no justice, to the gay rights act. And if your done spreading your version of hate, then you're excused. I win(:
skankiteasy 1 year ago
@skank: you win? hardly. only in your dreamworld. good luck with that...
ScienceReasonBelief 1 year ago
bro, this is the real world and I won! relax...you said bye, at least you could have left with dignity but you had to spoil that for yourself too! what is wrong with you?!?!
skankiteasy 1 year ago
@skankit: you didn't win over "Science". not even close.
your points can hardly be called points, they're so full of errors. You spout information that has long been proven wrong, and you call names. "Science" would write a comment which would irritate you and make you fire off 3 comments in return, but it's mostly you just telling him how stupid you think he is.
How is that winning?
Kaileo1 1 year ago
That's not true, aside from the few times I called some names, haha I'm only human, my points are entirely valid, and I definitely won because either of yet to address any of them or prove them wrong. You're just saying that because I got angry my points were invalid, which just isn't the case. And the larger percent of my comments were facts, not insults so you just lied when you said, "...but it's mostly you just telling him how stupid you think he is."
skankiteasy 1 year ago
@skankit: read your own comments... you're the one lying. so sad...
Kaileo1 1 year ago
Oh, and if they're full of errors, point these "errors" you speak of out and prove them to be errors, otherwise just be quiet(:
skankiteasy 1 year ago
why don't you start out by backing up your claims, first? otherwise, just be quiet.
Kaileo1 1 year ago
Are you illiterate or blind, maybe you should read how I just put down all the claims you made with solids facts, it's all listed above this comment. Might I suggest Hooked on Phonics?
skankiteasy 1 year ago
Oh and way to rip off my comeback, geez you really are worse than all the bigots you hate because at least they don't act like they are holier than thou, however you swear like you are the most open minded person, which I would expect of someone who's faced so many hate crimes...you really are no better than a racist, sexist, or homophobe. You should be ashamed of yourself. (This is in regards to all those agism comments you left me hehe)
skankiteasy 1 year ago
dude, this is so pathetic... i mean you have your right to be gay and stuff as do we maintain our right to donate OUR money, not yours, how we see fit. i don't get why you are protesting against us mormons as if we don't have the right to believe in what we want to...
skankiteasy 2 years ago
its the fact the mormon church illegally donated money to prop 8
seperation of church and state
idaman12345 2 years ago
it's just like, dude... get your facts straight... initiatives don't have caps on the amount of donations they can receive, so you're an idiot. and besides, "no on 8" raised more money than the "yes on 8" campaign! you're just bitter, and i feel fine because i stood up for what i believed in
skankiteasy 2 years ago
if your a part of the "normal" world then im glad im not
it seems like every day the pro prop 8 bigots bring up polygamy bestiality and incest into the argument
i think i figured out why
its because thats all they have to stand on
idaman12345 2 years ago
to allow two people that love eachother is a fairy tale right?
idaman12345 2 years ago
why deny gays their rights as americans?
idaman12345 2 years ago 2
The LDS should be praying that the court rules against Prop 8
Gulfporter 2 years ago
Tomorrow
Gulfporter 2 years ago
It does not matter that Mormons were a minority regarding the people who voted Yes on 8! It was a hypocritical position for Mormons to take. PLUS, they should not have funded political causes. All this talk about the GLBT Community singling out Mormons - who cares! The Mormons are following a false faith and worship a false God. The Mormons inside the USA WILL get what they deserve, as will the Roman Catholics, for basically picking a fight with the GLBT community.
j4unumber1 2 years ago
The Mormon church wasnt the only religious organization that gave money to the Prop 8 campaign. My parents worked a phone bank right along with the Catholic church. Its not fair that the mormon church is the only church that was attacked. Also, you ask for no homophobic slurs, yet at the protest people were calling our church a cult. Thats just as hurtful my friend.
Peachyballer 2 years ago
There was also protests at a Catholic Church.
fakingfrench 2 years ago
I was not aware of that so thank you for the information. :)
Peachyballer 2 years ago
the mormon church donated over 20 million dollars to the yes on 8 campaign. That is the reason it is targeted. They paid for the yes on 8 campaign to run false ads. The mormon church also officially took a political side.
pleyla25 2 years ago
@Peachyballer: Calling the Mormon church a cult is not a slur, because it DOES meet most of the criteria for being a cult... whether you like it or not.
Kaileo1 2 years ago
@Kaileo1 k, if that is the way you want to look at it then EVERY religion in this world is a cult. prove me wrong there!
ryanvegas777 2 years ago
@ryanvegas777: in the end, it's irrelevant to me what it's called... it's still wrong. The Mormon church is NOT the "only true church".
(Cue the "true believers" trying to drown me out with their "testimonies" and "testifying" about how they "know" it's true.)
Kaileo1 2 years ago
@Kaileo1 - Then how do you know that anything is true? Mormons encourage people to find the "truth" through their own personal revelation- to seek out for themselves what is right. If that makes us cult members, then so be it. Maybe you are part of a cult that believes there is NOT one true church.
masoid3 2 years ago
@masoid3: I know "things" to be true through the power of my own brain. i USE it!
"personal revelation" is simply a psychological experience, not revelation from God. I used to be a mormon, so I know!
as for your last sentence, it's so ridiculous that it doesn't even merit an answer.
Kaileo1 2 years ago
@Kaileo1: Why do you say we aren't the "one true religion" because you use the power of your brain? The only argument I see from that is that you are skeptical of all religions.
I won't pretend to be a hard-core LDS member, but you sure know how to inspire those of us who are a bit wishy-washy to strengthen our testimonies. And by that, I'm saying that your attacks on the Mormon church are actually helping spread the teachings because people are sick of your lies and want truth.
Thank you!
masoid3 1 year ago
@masoid: yes, I am skeptical of all religions, but especially Mormons, due to the abusive "gay-to-straight" conversion therapy they put me through as a teen, and now because of their assault on gay rights. Plus, it's a ridiculous religion built on a series of well-documented inconsistencies.
"sick of (my) lies"? what lies? My statements are all true. These comments may strengthen your testimony, but they have an opposite effect on others, who see the many errors of the Mormon church.
Kaileo1 1 year ago
do you realize that more NON MEMBERS of this church voted against it then members did? ya i bet not because you dont care about anyone else...we have kept out mouths shut about others and their way of living life, but when something comes up, like prop 8, and we are told as AMERICANS to choose and vote, we did so...if you dont like it then tough! but dont hate on us just because your unhappy that americans voted against the law. ! its our given right to do so!
ryanvegas777 2 years ago
We do realise this, however the Mormon church contributed an enormous ammount of money to the campaign for Prop 8 (we were angry that it passed, by the way) and, being a tax-exempt organisation, should be penalized.
MatthiasFarland 2 years ago 2
Well done for setting the record straight, Matthias. The Mormon Church played a leading role in campaigning for Proposition 8, spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on in-kind- contributions, plus encouraging its members to donate time and means from the highest level, resulting in Mormons donating millions. Because more non-Mormons voted for Prop 8 is not the reason people are angry.
timonline2000 2 years ago
@timonline2000 look guys, the facts are there, i will agree. we did donate lots to help it NOT pass, but we were able to do so, so we did. you AS AMERICANS have the right to be gay. and we AS AMERICANS have the right to vote against what we do not believe in. sorry that you lost. but don't blame us. we were given the right to vote so we did. sorry that y'all cant understand that. if we did something wrong, we would have been punished, but obviously being that it didnt pass, we did nothing wrong!
ryanvegas777 2 years ago
@ryanvegas777: the reason why many people feel you DID do something wrong is because you crossed the line between religious marriage and civil marriage. These are two different things. While both involve committment, one is between you, your spouse and your God, while the other is between the state & brings many benefits not avail anyway else.
The CA Supreme Court made it clear in their decision that churches could STILL decide whom to marry. But CIVIL marriage is a right that all deserve!
Kaileo1 2 years ago
but basically what your saying is that the Mormon church bribed the entire state of CA and that Californians are so dumb as to base their vote off of a commercial or pamphlet or speech... if you look at what your fighting for, it's an insult to every citizen of CA that voted yes on prop 8.
skankiteasy 1 year ago
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fakingfrench 2 years ago
all u who hate gays shut up! i am strait but i am also jewish. i know how painful persecution feelz and seriously whether the Bible forbids this or not, u r not G-d and its not ur job to decide to do stuff to ppl., unless it protects others or stops them from damage. seriously, dont hate!!!
coolnessXco 2 years ago 2
These stupid people are so blind and understand not the scriptures!! this MORMON CHURCH is so fucked up now that polygamy and touching when doing initiatories in their temples are ok...ridiculous! Joseph Smith did not fulfill everything that he's suppose to fulfill that was given to him. Instead, that idiot too hid the truth and did the otherwise and then later the church leaders began to be very prejudiced against black and brown people up until now!! very sad for these liars!!
wdeadman49 3 years ago
Crazedanime, this was not a vote on church law, this was a vote on civil law(government). You can believe what you want about gay marriage. Nobody is forcing you to marry someone of the same sex or tell your kids that it's okay to marry someone of the same sex. But you crossed the line when you turned that religious belief into the law of the land to take away someone else's right.The Bible says women should not speak in church. Shall we put that on the ballot?
chrisehogan 3 years ago
Then should be redue our money and our system of goverment as well? "In God We Trust" is on our dollar bill. In a court of law we swear over a bible to tell the truth. These are all religious beliefs that have made it into the law of the land. What is so different about this instance of people wanting to have their beliefs inforced by the government they are serving and living under?
crazedanime 3 years ago
kthcsh, a protest is not persecution. Persecution is subjecting people to electroshock therapy, which the mormons have done, to change gay people to straight. You cannot thrust yourself into the arena of politics, take away the rights of tens of thousands of couples, and then jump back over the fence and yell, "Leave us alone, we're a church!"
chrisehogan 3 years ago
the gay society was terribly hypocritical here. allow me to clarify first though,
I BELIEVE AND SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGE!
the irony is that the gays want "equal rights". the org for the protection of marriage, which is the org that got it put on the balled, which is NOT made up of church, had it put on the balled SO THAT THE PUBLIC COULD ALL HAVE EQUAL RIGHTS!!
the Gay society lost and then went back to ONE church and wasted a day there persecuting and misjudging a people.
kthcsh 3 years ago
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Of course it's a right. What would it be then, a heterosexual priviledge?
drewj1969 3 years ago
How about you address the real issues people are concrened with? Oh right, it's easier to whine and cry about it.
Dyoni1 3 years ago
marriage is about love not gender
thatonedude2567 3 years ago
equal rights? blame the mormons? hello you idiot protesters, 70% of African Americans voted YES! the proposition passed because of their votes, not the mormons money. Hello votes wins the election not money. You protesters are too cowardly to protest the black community. I know lets blame the mormons because they won't fight back so lets protest in front of their temple. Cowards! Thank you to the blacks, they all rushed to the polls to vote for Obama and 70% voted YES on Prop 8!
iamkr 3 years ago
its because they spent millions of dollars for prop 8, your the moron get facts straight. who are the cowards really. the people who are affraid of two people wanting to get married. or the people standing up for their rights? so you think black people were cowards? you think that martin luther king was a coward?
wah0089 3 years ago
The mormons are NOT afraid of two people getting married, they are standing up for what they believe in. Is it wrong to have a belief in something? Is it wrong to want what you hold as sacred to be kept sacred to you? Is it wrong to promote what you believe in as right? Just like these protesters, the Church of Jesus Christ and its members are only standing up for what they know is right. Hate can only bring about more hate and they have never said that they hated anyone.
crazedanime 3 years ago
umm if you are not afraid of us then why are you trying to make a bill to stop gays from getting married. i am tired of yall saying one thing but when we point out that what you say is incorrect. then you change it. one minute we are destroying a country and childrens lives and the next we are fuzzy little bunnies. get it fucking straight already.
wah0089 3 years ago
Okay. I am sorry if I offended you or what I said was miss interpreted. The Church is not confused nor are they afraid of the gays. People are trying to simply stand up for what they believe is right. The keyword here is believe. Yes it may seem unfair that I say the Mormans are not afraid for gays or giving them rights but still want to stop them from getting married but they are simply standing up for what they believe is right just as these protesters are standing up for what they believe in.
crazedanime 3 years ago
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the people have spokens yes on 8 americans let's stop them and keep it that way and cut that bullshit out saying it's a human rights things and civil rights wow gays not a right it's a choose.. SO WHAT IF I GET HATTING ON I DON'T CARE IT'S MY RIGHT TO SPEAK i am loving that this pass keep it up all right....
MACCAPONE60 3 years ago
do you even speak english? spokens is not a word. and if i am getting this straight i dont know you dont have grammar skills what so ever. but it seems to me that you are saying we dont have a right to love?
wah0089 3 years ago
Yeah maybe the Mormon church could tell all those afro american conservatives joining they were second class citizens in the church until 1978 and in the 1950s the mormons said blacks could only be saved by being slaves. Young even said interacial marriage should merit death. You removed multiple marriages to one man for social favour.Preaching married couples reach higher heaven then singles and that humans can be equal to God are lying to 'Christians' like they did in the ads to win a Yes vote
BungleZippie 3 years ago
Isiah 5:20 20 ¶ Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Says it all really. a few thousand years later and here you are fulfilling Isiahs words
bigchasbroon 3 years ago
What do you expect them to do after they've been violated by the Mormon Church (and others) by them stripping away their civil rights? Just shut up and take it? Come on. People need to be accountable for their actions. There's not much more despicable than using mob mentality to take away a minority group's civil rights.
drewj1969 3 years ago
Mormons made up 2% of the voters in the state of California. Calm down.
gtseclipse7 3 years ago
Did God vote for hste?? I don't think so.....did God pleased himself with bodyguarrd who had guns??? I don't think so....Did God outrule any of His children, may them be gay??? I don't think so....Did God invent prop. 8??? I don't think so....
gyqz 3 years ago
the point is that we can make ridiculous false claims about you and you wont like the feel of that either, I do not literally mean you have 10 wives, I'm just making a point. the yes on 8 ads made a lot of lies and we do not like it as much as you did not like my false claim.
doremon313 3 years ago
Hey, its the people from the Great and Spacious building....Hold to the Rod!
britabee86 3 years ago
tax the mormon cult!! hahaha thats so funny! It's not that we H8, this is how we procre8!!
dogfan1986 3 years ago
Prop 8 was written to re-define marriage. I don't know about anyone else, but I believe that marriage is between a man and a woman. I don't care if the gay community has the domestic partnership thing. It's not about taking away the rights of the gay community, because that is not what happened. It's about standing up for what I believe. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints merely took a stand on what they believe marriage to be. I am proud to be Mormon! And I will defend my Church!
kbmor 3 years ago
Yes, but once you took that stand to change the Constitution you crossed the line because now gay people live with the consequences of your actions and now they have the rights of a second class citizen.
drewj1969 3 years ago
Someday all will find out, that when they fight the Church of Jesus Christ.
They're actually fighting against the one who created the air they breathed.
Ironic!
bdjennings 3 years ago