Daniela Barcellona. Oh patria! ...Di tanti palpiti.

[Dogaradodia]

Certified Intergalactic! Though she isn't at par with the best in this aria, this video is one of my favorites.

[serenaluce]

Ugly voice! Ugly manners! Also she looks so ridiculous, absurd to me the way she is trying to potray a man! Perhaps only Kazarova's version - this bass-baritone female HORROR and Bartoli's ugly version with a clucking hen technique is worse than this one. Besides, it's too slow! I nearly fell asleep listening to it, but her wrong, misjudged coloratura kept me awake, with her shrill notes! At least Caballe's and Garanca's versions are beautiful. But the best versions are counterternors! MEN's!!!

[oceanodefuego1]

@serenaluce in certain way i agree with you, but actually Rossini had still the influence of castrati's voices. They could sing men's or women's arias. Nontheless, as far as i can notice, it happened exactly the opposite: now, Rossini wrote for women, he wanted to keep those pure high notes that only women can do. For me a tenor a baritone or a bass should sing this, but Rossini is Rossini, and this aria was written to be sung by a mezzo or contralto.

[oceanodefuego1]

@serenaluce Listen to the great contralto Ewa Podles and you'll see that a countertenor CANNOT sing the way this maestra can

[serenaluce]

@oceanodefuego1 Really, countertenors CANNOT sing a MAN better than a woman dressed as a man and pretending that she is a man?! I know that Rossini wrote it for a woman, and I agree that Podles is great! But what about LOGIC even in OPERA! Come on, good CTs can sing pure high notes much better than such women who PRETEND that they are men and also with forced, ugly low notes! Rossini was nearly castrated himself. Perhaps he was so happy that he wasn't that he just gave all such role to WOMEN?:-)

[oceanodefuego1]

@serenaluce Well, actually it should be taken into account if women who can sing with low notes feel like man, because they're only acting and singing according to the character. it would also seem to me that it's not logic a man singing with high notes as if he were a drag queen. And am not saying that a countertenor is like a drag queen for there are excellent ones that sing so accurately some arias like this.

[serenaluce]

@oceanodefuego1 Well, I'll try not to write as much as you to express my point:-). It's so strange that people always discriminate men who sing in high voices though it's only singing technique and nothing else and write this nonsense about them looking like drag queens and forget at all that women with forced low notes pretending that they are MEN are as absurd if not more than if men pretended that they are WOMEN! It's the same "transvestite show" or a "lesbian show" but nobody says so...

[oceanodefuego1]

@serenaluce As far as i can notice you much prefer countertenors despite they have not the voice power found in other opera singers. This is totally acceptable since then, it only depends upon likes and dislikes. And if this is the way, then I hold that a lyric mezzosoprano or a dramatic contralto are the only ones that CAN sing this arias for they have very wide vocal ranges.

[serenaluce]

@oceanodefuego1 Also, you discriminate CTs a priori saying that they don't have the voice power found in other opera singers. You are wrong. In any voice category there are good and bad singers. E.g. tenors and your beloved female mezzos and contraltos can have a big and also a small voice. And CTs too. Scholl is a true CT with a strong voice but PJ isn't a CT at all but just a poor overpromoted pop FALSETTIST which is not the same, and of course can't compete with any food female mezzo...

[oceanodefuego1]

@serenaluce I like some countertenors, for example Andreas Scholl or Philippe Jaroussky and some others whom i don't remember for the moment. But when i listened to this aria sung by mezzos and contraltos and also countertenors, i'd rather listen to the women's versions: more complete voices. If this weren't true, there are many arias and duets that countertenors do not sing with the same force as women do.

[oceanodefuego1]

@serenaluce Why David Daniels, for instance, hasn't sung with a soprano in the duet "Fiero incontro" by Rossini, I don't know if a man (countertenor) can deal with the vocal difficulty as Tancredi. I think all this stuff is due to voice ability, range and accurateness. the most important here is how the voice sounds, not really if it's a man or a woman, but i say this by my own experience: more women sing this aria more powerfully than countertenors

[serenaluce]

@oceanodefuego1Also, it's not only a musical problem but more of a social one that not so many STRONG, MANLY men sing as CTs as they are always discriminated and compared with women who as if sang in their natural voice and CTs not. BS. All voices are natural if they are not caused by castration. If people didn't treat men singing as CTs only as castrated or all gays more men with strong and flexible voices sang like that. Women just don't want to lose their job.It's only a matter of competition

[serenaluce]

@oceanodefuego1 But now we still have CTs who can sing this aria much more beautiful than any women like the same Daniels, Kowalski, Spanos, Cencic, Mynenko. If you only look for flaws and think that womens vocal cords are more flexible than in comparision with castrati all the categories have flaws but you forget about it. If women's vocal cords are more flexible, they are still can't be better and more powerful than the best CTs as no matter how hard they try they don't they that special MAGIC

[serenaluce]

@oceanodefuego1 Sorry for many typing mistakes:-). So, no matter how hard women try their physiology is different, body is different, throats are different, and they can't sound better than the best CTs as they don't have this SPECIAL MAGIC which only can be found in HIGH MALE VOICES! CTs have it but no women have no matter how powerful they sing and how flexible they vocal cords are! Also, some CTs can sound more powerful than women. So magic against rough power, pretence? I prefer MAGIC!!!!:-)

[oceanodefuego1]

@serenaluce 1.Well, actually I DO LIKE COUNTERTENORS, some of them. I don't like them when they force their voices singing arias not for their voices. 2. Andreas Scholl was who said that countertenors do not have the same voice power as other opera singers. He said this in an interview about being countertenor. 3. I respect your point of view, as I wrote before, it only depends on LIKES AND DISLIKES. You like a countertenor singing this aria and some others.

[oceanodefuego1]

@serenaluce 4. In opera, everything is possible, since singing doesn't have sex, some women CAN HIT MALE NOTES, despite their tone is different and the same happens with men (countertenors). María Malibrán (a contralto-soprano) had to dress like a man (Tancredi) to sing in the duet "fiero incontro". Many castrati sang like women. So their isn't any problem if a woman, because of her dark voice, sings a man role.

[oceanodefuego1]

@serenaluce A GOOD SINGER HAS MAGIC. I LIKE FORCE, INTENSITY, COURAGE. When i heard this aria sung by Ms Ewa Podles and Marilyn Horne, i felt all that. When i heard a countertenor singing this, i only said, it's nice. And that intensity, force and courage when singing Rossini is the coloratura and the ability to go from high to low notes in terrible voice jumps.

[serenaluce]

@oceanodefuego1 It's funny to read how different people hear the same stuff in the different way. I respect your opinion too, and I know all this about castrati singing as women and Malibran, etc. and agree that any good singer has magic of their own, but I speak about SPECIAL MAGIC only in high MEN voices for which men were castrated before. Thank God there are no castrati anymore, and it's technique. On the contrary women's versions are just nice. I "heard" this aria only in MAGIC CT versions!

[oceanodefuego1]

@serenaluce Well, castrati were out of this world, you know! If they still existed, opera would be simply reduced to them as in ancient times. I wish i had listened one of them, but nowadays it's simply impossible.

[serenaluce]

@oceanodefuego1 Yeah, of course, it's impossible to listen to great castrati nowadays. I don't even consider Moreschi as any representative of them. He was castrated for the medical reasons, and his only "merit" is he was recorded, and now we can hear that awful sound when reality destroyed the myth... But I still feel lucky that in my life time there are great CTs with advanced, very developed technique who still have that special MAGIC! My favourite version is Spanos's, though live it's better

[serenaluce]

@oceanodefuego1 Actually, listening to Barcelona here again I don't find it that horrible anymore:-). Perhaps I'm already used to her voice:-). But I still don't like her embelishment in the last part. Actually, my first reaction is always right. If I like an artist I like him or her right away, and later can like even more. But if I don't like it very much when I first hear it I'll never later like it:-). Do you? Though, of course, it's all subjective, and tastes really differ. And it's good!:)

[oceanodefuego1]

@serenaluce I wish you listened to Ms Podles, to my very personal point of view, her interpretation is simply magic.

[serenaluce]

@oceanodefuego1 Actually, I've listened to her but long ago and I'm not sure what year the recording is. Thanks for your advice. I agree that she is great, and she sings it very impressive and powerful, but I still prefer the best countertenors' versions because of this special quality, sound production. Before Rossini didn't sound to me that beautiful, but only when I discovered for myself CTs, it was like watching at last colour TV after just black and white though the picture is similar:-).

[oceanodefuego1]

@serenaluce Especially when she sang in 2000

[oceanodefuego1]

@serenaluce And it happened the opposite with me, I liked best Rossini listening to Ms Horne and Ms Podles

[serenaluce]

@oceanodefuego1 You see how different all the people are. Actually, for you it's no problem to listen to such roles in women's interpretations. You go with the flow , and it's mainstream. But there are also such people like me who think the same but are shy to express it openly not to be attacked from all sides by traditionalists. But all tastes are legitimate, and if there's a demand there should be an offer too. But it's really a matter of competition and discrimination of CTs by women...

[oceanodefuego1]

@serenaluce all right, I totally agree with you! Finally i can listen to a man or woman singing this aria. I only like the sound and what it makes me feel, but i have already explained my reasons. And about competition and discrimination i can say, as we say in Spanish: The sun rises for everybody, I don't know if this saying is similar as in my language, but i think you can understand it, can't you?

[serenaluce]

@oceanodefuego1 You know, I agree with you too that the sun rises for everybody. But it's more about real life. Actually, the world is in generally ruled by MEN, not women, and I'm as a woman can feel some discrimination from men, but when it comes to the musical world and CTs in part it seems to me that it's an adverse discrimination that CTs are usually considered all gays though it's not true, and any bass can be straight or gay too, but women traditionally receive such roles as they have...

[serenaluce]

@oceanodefuego1 ...as they can have lovers in charge of opera productions, and men prefer to see "lesbian shows". It's so exciting for them to hear one woman sing to another pretending that she is a man e.g. "Sol da te mio dolce amore" though it's a love aria when a man is singing it to a woman and also see 2 women huggging each other. OK, before there were just FALSETTISTS who couldn't replace castrati as their voices were too small, FLAT and sexless, but now we have CTs with PROPER technique.

[oceanodefuego1]

@serenaluce Do you know? I've already listened to your beloved N. Spanos, and to my hearing, his voice is too similar to Daniela's one, with certain differences, obviously. I don't know if he can hit the high note sung by Barcellona in this aria at 6.52, 53, because it'd be interesting to be heard. I know you'll kill me! But that's what I noted :)

[serenaluce]

@oceanodefuego1 It's OK if you were not that impressed by Spanos's rendition. Tastes really differ. But you know what? The quality of the recording is very poor and doesn't really reflect the strength of his voice though shows all the beauty of the sound. I was very curious to hear him live and have my own opinion. I came to his recital. In reality, believe it or not, his voice is very STRONG and he can blow away anybody with it! Also he can hit very high notes singing in exquisite male SOPRANO!

[oceanodefuego1]

@serenaluce No doubt, tastes really differ! You know, i'm so accustomed to listening to sopranos (women) and my conception is different when listening to countertenors, despite they can hit high notes. I listen to this guys and for me all of them are approximately mezzos or contraltos

[oceanodefuego1]

@serenaluce countertenors, to my hearing, are all mezzos or contraltos, with pitch differences from real ones. But you know, mezzos and contraltos not necessarily have to sing men's roles and i don't think they have to compete with countertenors because of their dark and heavy voices. It was very funny and strange when i heard a countertenor singing : "Alvaro ti amo", a role which was sung by sopranos. And because of this, i obviously prefered the women's versions... ...

[oceanodefuego1]

@serenaluce ... ... As i'm a man, i'd rather listen to the soprano's version, more than the countertenor's one. Because i imagine my girlfriend's singing me that, hahaha!

[oceanodefuego1]

@serenaluce I think that of looking at two women hugging each other in a man-woman scene is due to cultural factors, even in real life, you, women, are more allowed to kiss one each other. In many societies, two men doing the same is considered a gay demonstration. and in opera it happened the same because this heritage stems from castrati. Farinelli, you know, sang in female roles most of the time. His voice of soprano was suitable to do so.

[oceanodefuego1]

@serenaluce Sincerely speaking, most women (mezzos and contraltos) singing this aria and others written for their voices, astonish me than countertenors singing the same. 

[Vanchy58]

La mejor acabada de todas las arias de Rossini es este Di tanti Palpiti, galante, hermosa, melodiosa y con un sabor tan mágico que cautiva al menos sensible para la ópera. Esta pieza musical solo puede ser obra de un genio como lo fue Rossini. Escucharla es todo un verdadero placer estético que nunca aburre ni cansa.

[antonellacolaianni]

Brava!

[SiEtIn1]

the words are embedded on the video, so i don't understand why waste time putting them in the info AGAIN

[faffyssimo]

L'ascolterò a torino la settimana prossima e vedremo...la voce chiara mi piace tanto,il costume invece assolutamente no,il pupo siciliano che ho in casa mia è molto più ben vestito....se hanno voluto vestirla come i pupi siciliani......il pennacchio è orrendo per una figura alta come la Daniela..

[luigipava]

comunque se vedi nelle recine piu moderne è dimagrita parecchio ed è molto carina

[maxtanz]

catastrofica

[Dogaradodia]

Best Costume, Props and Cinematography!

[TheMenelik60]

Come si capisce dal nick ho la mia bella età ... Credo si stia facendo un pò di confusione. Se ricordiamo Horne, Valentini (la mia preferita), Baltsa, Dupuy, Berganza e qulche rara volta la Podles .... ovvio che la musica era ben tutt'altra; ma credo che nell'odierno panorama musicale ci faccia una degnissima figura e si distingua anche per certe finezze vocali. Non ha il fisico da indossatrice ... ??? Lo aveva forse la Caballè ... eppure .... !!!! Avanti così Daniela e buona fortuna.

[luigipava]

certo se fosse vero nemmeno horne e caballe sarebbero state cantanti dato che non sono molto belle di fisico

[lovenikesilver]

io l'ho vista in tutte le recite di qeusto tancredi..memorabile...sopratu­tto la scena finale...PERKE VI OSTINATE A DIRE SOPRANO....LEI è UN MEZZO SOPRANO...EVIDENTEMENTE NN CAPITE NULLA

[luigipavabartolotti]

@lovenikesilver e quasi un contralto

[Athys700]

Ah costume bellissimo... ma solo questo

Athys

[PieroXtutti]

Io la vidi a Ts, la Cantarero era Amenaide, Worman-Argirio... la Barcellona la migliore! Una bellissima scena della morte.... però...riascoltarla non mi convince più tantissimo....

[arredifestivi]

brava.

[toscaworld]

ma cosa ci fa un soprano obeso e corto di fiato e di voce a fare tancredi??

[nichtsleezy]

Bellissima!

[sparklingMedea]

Tutta la voce indietro.

[grubiforever]

senza dire che addirittura non riesce a legare "alfine a te ritorno"

[grubiforever]

per carità...un soprano senza acuti!

[elinorberg]

Sei strepitosa Daniela! La piu' grande!

[mahlerichter]

che brava!!!!! ti adoro.... Fa, senza batter ciglio, il requiem di Verdi e il Tancredi di Rossini, egregiamente entrambi!!!

[dziadgba]

great, thanks for posting - very nice performance