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  • Lol, i know..... Why are we hosting the olympics if we cant even allow the guns into our own country? british shooters are actually training in other countrys to practise!!!! They cant even practise in their own country !!!! Yeah only black powder handguns and .22 semi-autos......

    Man this country sucks for weapons :(

  • i don't think there's a single one of those guns you can legally own in the UK

  • Britain should assemble their own NRA. You must get your freedoms back, at all cost!

  • we have, its called the BASC ( british association for shooting and conservation )

    its pretty cool actually :)

  • do you own all of those?

  • Yup except for that air weight .44 revolver

  • nice

  • ... first Rifle was an russian SKS 7,62x39 mm???

    Hej - silly.. Talked about the german P 38... we had in the "Bundeswehr". It is just junk, but the Glock is perfect...

    Like the easy but save handling of Firearms in USA. Keep on!

    Herry

  • correct, re-arsenaled 1954 Tula SKS in a non-laminated stock.

    I actually like the P38 -- Glocks don't fit my hands all that well.

  • lol

    i hope we dont ban gun like in england

  • look at countries like poland. The gun rights there are of course not as free as the US but with a liscence you can buy semi auto hi calibre weapons and pistols etc.. and what effect has it had...there is virtually no petty knife crime and gun crime in itself is near non exisctant. Its the mentality of the nation that decides the statistics.

  • im in england...i cant do that lol

  • Handguns and most calibres of rifle were permitted before the ban in the uk. there are still gun related offences commited every 12 hours in london alone.

    400,000 lives are saved by official figures caluculated by the US ATF department.

    What about the 50 people killed in the UK and the fact u can buy an ak47 for £50. Guns mean that a small woman has a fighting chance to defend herself from a 6ft brutal criminal. It makes it a fair fight. Criminals think twice as the civi might have a gun.

  • you should know that they will be coming for our guns in america, i hope you keep that shit eating grin and pop off rounds at them, but yawl seem more like the type to hand'm over, we thought they would go after the 2nd admendment first but we were wrong, keep your fire power and train your neighbor, time is short live free

  • What the bleedi' ells a monaark ?

  • I have to agree. I'm a yank and I find our accent to be nasal, droning and extremely aggravating. Works on chicks though.

    Best accent? South African/Afrikaans.

  • I know what your trying to say, but,you can shoot in England. Please don't blame the Royal Family too. The royal family all shoot,including the Queen. Ican put a sound moderator on a .50 cal here, there illegal in the (most)states.

  • yer but lets be honest. in the US you can own a fully automatic mp5. or an ak47, or even a 9mm glock which you can't do in the UK. whats also great is that you can get carry liscences. At the end of the day, laws are much more flexible and most weapons, apart from fully auto, you can buy without gettin a liscence.

  • Don't give your guns American's.If it can happen in England it can happen to you.

  • At the rate of 30,000 gun deaths in the U.S. per year, it would take more than 3,333 years to equal the number murdered in communist countries, by the governments of these countries.

  • yes but 400,000 lives are saved by guns each year. Lives which would have been lost to attacks by criminals or beatings by robbers and theives. If you ban them, the market will just be forced underground and only innocent civilians that deserve to defend themselves will hand them over. Look what happened in the uk, prime example.

  • dude before me posted this and marked as spam.

    Any UK citizens who are in favour of the right to self defence then go to iPetitions and type in 'Handguns UK'.

    Some enlightned soul has got a petition going to try and get our right to concealed carry recognised again.

    Get your name on there!!!

  • Any UK citizens who are in favour of the right to self defence then go to iPetitions and type in 'Handguns UK'.

    Some enlightned soul has got a petition going to try and get our right to concealed carry recognised again.

    Get your name on there!!!

  • Ali Saleh Kahlah al-Marri is the kind you should want to shoot in the head rather than let them live in relative comfort.

  • Not likely. We won't become totally socialist like England.

  • The suspected terrorist? Do you propose that troops in a war zone "Just keep an eye" on people they suspect as enemy combatants? That's a great way to fill body bags. His legal tactics reek of the training from the al-quaeda manuals on how to tie up the legal system.

  • Soon as you prove that people are being imprisoned without "suspicion".

  • Sorry skippy. Not true. The only "Americans" being held in Guantanimo have been put there for supporting terrorism. Either by material or monitary support or even by actively planning attacks on America and her Allies, waves at the UK, or by bearing arms against it. You need to read something other than anti democracy websites.

  • No American that has not actively taken part in terrorist activity has been held like that.

    When did the American Government disarm the general population of the US? I must have missed that.

  • Don't believe everything fox news tells you...no one has been marching in Britain calling for the none Muslims to be eradicated...Man you people really are scared and paranoid aren't you? Listen I'm not even going to waste my time with you..it's you're country..you and you're guns deserve each other as far as I'm concerned.

  • Sure, sure. Gun owners are the ones that are "scared and paranoid" but YOU are the one that theinks anyone who owns a gun is out to kill you. LOL!

    Quite right! In the 18th century We, the subjects of the British Crown, after being oppressed by a tyrannical government, who gave us neither support nor voice for the taxes they extorted from us. Sent packing the forces of the oppressor and claimed our independence. Then we kicked them again when they invaded us in the 19th century. (grin)

  • I wouldn't want to own a gun...I just don't see the point.

    I watched this and thought....I'm so freaking glad I don't live in the states.

  • Then don't. But have you noticed that the violent crime rate has climbed in the UK ever since the government decided that disarming the law abiding public was a good idea? No wonder you have terrorist supporters carrying signs saying "NUKE LONDON" over there. You're in the middle of a razzia and don't even know it.

  • The crime rate has risen dramatically over the last ten years, but I don't think the banning of privately owned firearms had anything to do with it.

  • You should have a conversation about it with your local Police. I'm talking about the Bobby on the street. Not the talking head behind a desk.

  • There have been a few minor protests in London by those who hold radical views....and the media made a big deal about it. there are millions of Muslims in the UK but those demo were attended by a few hundred people and those carrying signs calling for acts of violence were arrested.

    I've seen far worst rallies held by the far right and white supremacy groups.

    Still nothing that makes me wish I had a gun.

    What are you all afraid of?

  • "I've seen far worst rallies held by the far right and white supremacy groups."

    Really? WHich of these groups you mention have been calling for the eradication all people who don't believe what they say? Then tie bombs to their children?

    LOL! The same old tired knee jerk reaction. Anti gunners always try to portray anyone who owns or wants to own a firearm as "Paranoid". It's surprizeing that you haven't come up with anything new in all the years they've been trying to disarm the public.

  • The poor brits....

  • Heck yeah! Long live America! Long live RKBA!

  • Why should they be banned? And that maybe what the majority was thinking after dunblane but are you sure that is what they are thinking today, and even if they where that does not mean the majority is allways right, A majority could be lied to and minipulated. The right to bear arms should be a fundamental right everywhere. In the US, they have a right to life and they have a right to defend that life and if we have a right to life we should be able to defend it to.

  • You dont speak for every British person. Im British and in favour of gun ownership. The bans did nothing, gun crime has gone up in this country not down, the criminals still have them and still use them and allways will, no matter what laws you have.

  • You're in the minority. All the main political parties in the UK fall over themselves trying to be the toughest on gun control, and there is no organised 'gun lobby' in the UK the way there is in the US.

  • I dont care what the main political parties think, their all a bunch of dim wits. They may be trying to be the toughest on gun control but their is still plenty of gun crime which they cant get under control.

  • I don't think putting more guns into circulation would reduce gun crime.

    The reason why the parties are pro-gun control is because the majority of people are against guns, and the politicians chase votes. That is the way it's supposed to work in a democracy.

  • I think allowing law abiding people to have them for defence could help to reduce crime. They can defend themselves against an attacker and protect their property and they would make criminals think twice before making victims out of people. When it comes to why the parties are pro gun control, Im sure what you stated is in a way true, but the way I see it another reason is that they can control the population better.

  • When they were legal, only a small number of the population own a gun, and if they were legalised again few people would run out to buy one. Unless you would force people to own a gun, the self defence argument doesn't really work.

    Also, if the government wanted to better control the population, you'd think they'd give more guns to police officers, but in fact the number of armed police has fallen to just 6,584.

  • I dont know about just a few people, A few months ago I came across a online news source that said that a lot of middleclass people in rural areas are arming themselfs to defend their homes and themselves. You can find it on the dunblane massacre resource page web site, in the news section. I think the government does want more control which is the reason for things like ID cards.

  • When it comes to giving the police more guns I think the reason they dont do it is because they might be concerned about the senario of a couple of police officers getting jumped by a group of thugs so they can get their guns.

  • All the dictators in history have used gun control with the populations that they ruled. Governments have in the past used gun control before committing acts of genocide and things like that. There is a book on this called death by gun control, they also made a small film which is on the internet called innocents betrayed. And when it comes to democracy, how many time do you think democracy has gone right out of the window when ever it has got in the way of what the government really wants.

  • I'm sure you think I'm naive, but I thought guns were banned after a public outcry following the Dunblane massacre. Maybe I'm wrong and it was in fact a Labour party plot to subvert democracy. All I know is guns have been banned for ten years and there hasn't been a genocide, I can't see one coming either.

    If most Americans want to own guns, then they should be allowed to, but the UK is a different culture were guns associated with war and violence.

  • I am not saying they where not banned after a public outcry, Im saying that it fits in with what the government wants. Tell me, do you think that the government does absolutly everything that the majority of the public wants? And futhermore I am not saying that a genocide is going to happen in this country but it has happened in others and those governments have disarmed there populations before doing it. So if somehow most people in this country did want to own guns would you respect that?

  • I would definitely respect that! More than that, I think guns would be legalised if a majority of people in the UK wanted it, because the opposition party would jump on the bandwagon and get elected.

    I respect the majority Americans who want the right to own guns. I just ask for the same respect from the makers of this video, who seem to be saying they're better than us because they can shoot stuff up and we can't. What they don't realise is, most Brit wouldn't want to do that.

  • I dont think that the main parties would do it even if the majority were for it, because I think that those parties are following another agenda, not what the public wants. So you are against gun ownership simply because you feel that is what the majority wants? I dont think the americans can say theyre better than us, but from time to time I have got the impression that some people in this country feel that we could look down on the americans and we cant. Both countries have there own problems.

  • I am a supporter of gun control, but I support democracy more, and whether a country should have the right to bear arms (as with any freedom) should be determined by the majority.

    I have never looked down on the United States or its people just because they have a different culture, or for any other reason. In fact I am very pleased that the rampant anti-Americanism, which has been so prevalent in recent years, seems to be dying down as Bush's presidency comes to an end.

  • Well I think we brought this debate to a conclution.

  • An awful lot of your people had their livelyhood stolen from them by the politicians. WHat has happened to them? What is being done to replace the billions in lost tax revenue from the firearms, hunting, shooting and all other associated industries?

  • yeah the US watches suspects during wartime the UK watches subjects all the damn time. Can't even ride down the road without being tracked. Your country does not even produce small arms for their own military anymore. You bloody Poms sure went crying to the seppos during ww2 when you needed lend lease small arms to keep jerry off your beaches. And they gave their .22's and deer guns to keep you "free". Now you're a big fat girlie man joke the lot of you.

  • Nice deflection away from the failure of your previous argument by the way.

  • They also post the "Perception of safety while Walking in the dark":

    US 82%

    UK 70%

    Perception of safety Burglary":

    US 78%

    UK 58%

    Now why would Americans feel safer than Britons?

  • Car theft per capita US 3.8795 UK 5.6054 Police per capita US not rated in top 48 UK 2.04871 Robbery per capita US 1.38527 UK 1.57433 Total crime US 80.0645 UK 85.5517 Better stick to Trek cons kid.
  • I was thinking of the murder rate, 5.9 per 100,000 in the US last year, 1.6 per 100,000 in Britain. Also, last year in the UK 50 people we killed due to firearms (far too high). How many was it in the US?

  • Sure change your story now.

    You said" Crime rates in the UK are lower than they've ever been, its still too high, but it's three times lower than in the US."

    Nation Master says otherwise.

    As for the difference between murder rates. If you research a little deeper you'll find that the US counts homicides and murders quite differently than the UK. That is if you want to find out the truth.

    NM puts the Murder with firearms per capita at

    US .0279271

    UK .00102579

  • Victim of Crime rate:

    US 21.1%

    UK 26.4%

    Assaults per capita

    US 7.56923

    UK 7.45959

    Burglary per capita

    US 7.09996

    UK 13.8321

  • There isn't a gun culture in the UK the way there is in the US. The government banned handguns after a public outcry following the Dunblane massacre. In other words, the government did what the public wanted - that's democracy!!

    Also, what was that rubbish about being 'beaten down by royalty'? It's an open secret that the royal family was against the ban on firearms, but the democratically elected government along with the vast majority of the British public disagreed.

  • The Nazi's final solution you could just as easily say "that's democracy!!" about. Its called tyranny of the majority. There are some inherent rights just that shouldn't be able to be taken away by anyone. Its called 'tyranny of the majority.'

  • Tell it like it is Shminaaa. Only a beaten down Brit would claim that "democracy" is having his inalienable right of self defense taken from him by the government. Incredible. Thank God they still have the SAS, Royal Marines, and a few other people who know their arses from a hole in the ground.

  • Nicely done guys, greeting from OZ where they've banned semi-auto rifles and shotguns, plus pump action shotguns and handguns with magazine capacities over 10 rounds.

    Of course the criminals don't feel restrained by any of these laws but hey, it's for the kids don't you know. :(

    Keep your rights.

  • Oh man that stinks. I have huge respect for the Aussies and Brits, they just need to get their rights back.

  • Dean and Doug handlin' dey bizness! All you base belong to us.

  • Poor Russell. :(

    Is he a Brittish buddy stripped of his property and self defense rights?

    Freedom's just 3,000 miles west of your present location. Com'on o'er ta this side o' da Lord, Russell! We gots home cookin', REAL football, HOT chicks and LIBERTY, brother!

  • Those poor Brits!

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