The problem is, you fucking uptight Europeans don't get "rock-n-roll" because it is an American idea. So go fuck yourselves with a baguette you pencil neck geeks
for something to be "post", the thing that it is "post" has to be finished. i.e. "post-war", "post-beatles". hardcore isn't finished.
"post-hardcore" is a genre tag invented by annoying rock journalists who have never been in in bands to describe bands formed by dudes who stopped playing hardcore and started playing rock.
"ah, hardcore. that's what we did when we were KIDS. we're a POST-hardcore band." why not just be honest and say "rock"?
Because even though what you're saying is right, if someone described this band to me as Post Hardcore I'd have alot more idea to their sound than if they just said Rock.
i hear what you're saying. i just hate bullshit genre tags that say very little and were invented by shitbird rock journalists who need to be punched.
question - is the shit that people did after quicksand, jehu, etc. considered POST-post-hardcore? is rival schools or wally schreifels' acoustic stuff PPHC?
you got it all wrong. people don't call rock music "rock" because it's a rock. people don't call hardcore music "hardcore" because it has a hard core. people don't call post-hardcore music"post-hardcore" because it's what happened after the hard core. the same with post-rock, nobody is claiming that rock music is dead..
people call music "post-hardcore" because they're suggesting 1. hardcore is dead or 2. "that's what we did when we were kids". no other reason, except maybe being dumb and lazy.
i can understand someone coming from the avalanches BACK to jehu would not understand it at all. that link, which the avalanches made, is almost impossible retrospectively.
ive never been able to tell why people like this kind of music... ive listened to it completely baked and still hated it... i respect it though.... i found this cuz it says on wikipedia that the avalanches were inspired by them
good times..great band to see play. this one time they played at the (new)casbah with three mile pilot like a couple years after this and the whole show from start to finish was great . those were good times.
random notes? you dont know much about music, but i dont expect cave people to understand the artistry of a band like jehu. go back to watching your cartoons junior.
How the fuck is this random at all? Sucks to be you and musically inclined and think that anything that doesn't follow a basic format or chord progression is all of a sudden "random"
I've seen a couple bands that could reach this kind of intensity; fugazi and drive like jehu. Even when our band opened for these guys, I would go out and watch them after our set, in ahh.
Seriously amazing. Reis somehow makes amazing aggro sounds look sloppy and sound tight as hell. Don't be fooled, what he plays isn't easy and all just speed...How'd he move around so much?
On thing that amazes me is that someone was able to resist getting physically into the music enough to tape this. I'd be going crazy at such a performance. Awesome band and video.
It was called math rock because when you played it you needed to count in order to know your changes. This was both because the parts were often longer and/or more repetitive, and also because they didn't lend themselves to the feeling that songs like, say, the Ramones did, where each part is reliant upon the other parts. continued.
If you took just one part of some "math rock" songs, they might not sound anything like the song does as a complete entity, or the timing & changes might not necessarily make sense in relation to the other parts. Some of Jehu's stuff might be like that, but this song sure isn't. Riff-heavy and amazing. One of my favorite Jehu songs. continued.
For more true "math rock" stuff, see Rick and John's former band, Pitchfork, or the last SoulSide record, or Monorchid, who by the way, were one of Rick's favorite bands. At least they were 10 years ago. PS. this is just stuff I've heard.
not really. it's called math rock mainly because of the complexity of their time signatures. this song, for example, is mostly in 7/8 (or 7/4, depending on how you count it) but changes to 4/4 in the chorus. check out Rush, The Mars Volta, or Dillinger Escape Plan - though elitists might call them strictly prog bands.
i was responding to a question about math rock in general. genre labels are far from universally defined... but i would say that a general consensus on their category is somewhere between math rock and post-hardcore.
I wish I had a chance to see Jehu live, or at least see Hot Snakes cover this one. Last time I saw Snakes (and it is the last time) they finished with Luau, they could have played Caress at least twice in that time.
Uberscheisse knows about as much as rock as he does a woman's vagina
aziangirlluv 8 months ago 11
@aziangirlluv please elaborate, faggot.
uberscheisse 8 months ago
@uberscheisse You mad?
aziangirlluv 8 months ago
@aziangirlluv why would i be mad? i'm a fucking god.
uberscheisse 8 months ago
@uberscheisse yeah you're mad. ad hom's aren't argumennt's kiddo
aziangirlluv 8 months ago
@aziangirlluv i'm not arguing. no sense in doing that when i'm right.
uberscheisse 8 months ago
@uberscheisse if you were a god you'd know how to properly use the term faggot. Clearly you have some homosexual issues you're stressing out on.
BabyAIofa 8 months ago
@uberscheisse You're not. that's why everyone agreed with me.
aziangirlluv 8 months ago
@aziangirlluv no they didn't, unless you're talking about your 3 other youtube accounts. all that proves is that you have no friends.
uberscheisse 8 months ago
@uberscheisse There are 9 thumbs up for me and none for you. you rage you lose
aziangirlluv 8 months ago
@uberscheisse you're the god of faggots
JesteroftheClown 8 months ago
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JesteroftheClown 8 months ago
Jesus. The memories this brings back. One of my favorite records ever.
TH21JS 1 year ago
Check the guitarist on the right's sweet hairdo! Was he in Rocket from the the Crypt?
Sam5LC 1 year ago
@Sam5LC yeap, that's him.
natathon1979 1 year ago
@Sam5LC Yeah he was
kidkrim 1 year ago
Someones gotta write a goddamn book on genres so we all can stop getting confused!!
Matchubes 1 year ago
what happened to the left channel? my head fells dizzy. anyways, what a killer band.
TheIneffableMe 1 year ago
The problem is, you fucking uptight Europeans don't get "rock-n-roll" because it is an American idea. So go fuck yourselves with a baguette you pencil neck geeks
sodapapa 1 year ago
goddamnit i wish i could see them live. trombino is fucking amazing
sordidsentinel1337 1 year ago
i was at this show.
please stop saying "post hardcore". it's the dumbest musical tage in the history of idiots writing about music.
uberscheisse 2 years ago
better than "emo" or "emocore"... haha...
minorsubdominant 2 years ago
well anyone misusing "emo" is easily squashed - if it wasn't created in washington dc in 1985, it's not emo. that simple.
uberscheisse 2 years ago
Why? This music sounds like a more proggy hardcore. Hence post hardcore
TheAlmostOrphans1 2 years ago
for something to be "post", the thing that it is "post" has to be finished. i.e. "post-war", "post-beatles". hardcore isn't finished.
"post-hardcore" is a genre tag invented by annoying rock journalists who have never been in in bands to describe bands formed by dudes who stopped playing hardcore and started playing rock.
"ah, hardcore. that's what we did when we were KIDS. we're a POST-hardcore band." why not just be honest and say "rock"?
uberscheisse 2 years ago
Because even though what you're saying is right, if someone described this band to me as Post Hardcore I'd have alot more idea to their sound than if they just said Rock.
TheAlmostOrphans1 2 years ago
i hear what you're saying. i just hate bullshit genre tags that say very little and were invented by shitbird rock journalists who need to be punched.
question - is the shit that people did after quicksand, jehu, etc. considered POST-post-hardcore? is rival schools or wally schreifels' acoustic stuff PPHC?
uberscheisse 2 years ago
Haha, nah I agree genres are bullshit
TheAlmostOrphans1 2 years ago
black metal
brown metal
uberscheisse 2 years ago
copper metal
TheAlmostOrphans1 2 years ago
post copper metal
uberscheisse 2 years ago
you got it all wrong. people don't call rock music "rock" because it's a rock. people don't call hardcore music "hardcore" because it has a hard core. people don't call post-hardcore music"post-hardcore" because it's what happened after the hard core. the same with post-rock, nobody is claiming that rock music is dead..
masterofsven 2 years ago
it's a lazy genre tag, invented by idiots.
people call rock music "rock" because it "rocks".
people call music "post-hardcore" because they're suggesting 1. hardcore is dead or 2. "that's what we did when we were kids". no other reason, except maybe being dumb and lazy.
uberscheisse 2 years ago
Uberscheisse is a little girl
YourBrainOnReIigion 8 months ago 11
@YourBrainOnReIigion yourbrainonreligion has 2 youtube accounts and stalks people's posts while jerking off.
uberscheisse 8 months ago
@uberscheisse no one cares, but everyone knows you're a bitch
YourBrainOnReIigion 8 months ago
Real post Hardcore at its finest
Axlhedfeild 2 years ago
i was five when this was recorded.
and it shames me that i don't hear there influence enough in today's music.
afroXcore 2 years ago 2
i can understand someone coming from the avalanches BACK to jehu would not understand it at all. that link, which the avalanches made, is almost impossible retrospectively.
thetenzenmen 3 years ago
Pitchfork was waaayyyyy better! Although, early Jehu was magical too...
superbawestside 3 years ago
pitchfork was good, but waaaaaay better? um, no. i have video of them too, and it doesnt come near this in intensity.
gittty 2 years ago 3
@gittty video of them? where?!
sorosan 1 year ago
@superbawestside I couldn't disagree more. With the first part of your statement, anyway.
saidinjest 1 year ago
ive never been able to tell why people like this kind of music... ive listened to it completely baked and still hated it... i respect it though.... i found this cuz it says on wikipedia that the avalanches were inspired by them
IeatMsPacMan 3 years ago
well, this is real post-hardcore...(not underoath, alesana and those fashioncore bands)(but agree with ya that the avalanches is good:)
@ others who say this music is too random: actually that's the point of this music and that is the art behind it
JeloMulawin 3 years ago
good times..great band to see play. this one time they played at the (new)casbah with three mile pilot like a couple years after this and the whole show from start to finish was great . those were good times.
PHAEDRIDER 3 years ago
why are you here then
brge 3 years ago
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TheJacolyte 3 years ago
wow, are you kiddin me?
you must boring
perhaps another joe satriani loving retard?
robotalikehott 3 years ago
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TheJacolyte 3 years ago
random notes? you dont know much about music, but i dont expect cave people to understand the artistry of a band like jehu. go back to watching your cartoons junior.
gittty 3 years ago
How the fuck is this random at all? Sucks to be you and musically inclined and think that anything that doesn't follow a basic format or chord progression is all of a sudden "random"
conchettas 3 years ago
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etfgert43t 3 years ago
i don't understand how some bands can rock so much, it blows my mind!!
grimus81 3 years ago 2
I've seen a couple bands that could reach this kind of intensity; fugazi and drive like jehu. Even when our band opened for these guys, I would go out and watch them after our set, in ahh.
OldTrafford2008 3 years ago 2
what band were you in that Jehu opened for you?
hormelchavez 3 years ago
Brilliant!!!!!
jaydischord 3 years ago 2
THE BAND.
aroseinthemist 4 years ago 2
Seriously amazing. Reis somehow makes amazing aggro sounds look sloppy and sound tight as hell. Don't be fooled, what he plays isn't easy and all just speed...How'd he move around so much?
SPHeavens 4 years ago
The greatest post-hardcore band of all time. I'm amazed to find their stuff on here. :D
uN00b 4 years ago
have you heard of the texas instruments they were sick math rock they even handed out pencil sharpeners in between songs.......you do the math
babybix7844 4 years ago
no you cannot.
gittty 4 years ago
es lo mejor!!!!
tenocht40 1 year ago
so many bands are trying to do what jehu did in the early 90's, but these guys are still the best.
ogkushcali 4 years ago
Wow. I've only just in resent yars heard about these guys, this is incredible.
JNerdy 4 years ago
On thing that amazes me is that someone was able to resist getting physically into the music enough to tape this. I'd be going crazy at such a performance. Awesome band and video.
Alex27782 5 years ago
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Yeah i'd be all spastic. He probably had his dumb bitch girlfriend tape it.
MrYellowDiscipline 4 years ago
this is TIMELESS.
Pleasure is your crime/Junior is your punishment
Aksen 5 years ago
It was called math rock because when you played it you needed to count in order to know your changes. This was both because the parts were often longer and/or more repetitive, and also because they didn't lend themselves to the feeling that songs like, say, the Ramones did, where each part is reliant upon the other parts. continued.
Skatepunk22 5 years ago
If you took just one part of some "math rock" songs, they might not sound anything like the song does as a complete entity, or the timing & changes might not necessarily make sense in relation to the other parts. Some of Jehu's stuff might be like that, but this song sure isn't. Riff-heavy and amazing. One of my favorite Jehu songs. continued.
Skatepunk22 5 years ago
For more true "math rock" stuff, see Rick and John's former band, Pitchfork, or the last SoulSide record, or Monorchid, who by the way, were one of Rick's favorite bands. At least they were 10 years ago. PS. this is just stuff I've heard.
Skatepunk22 5 years ago
amazing band
bearvsshaan 5 years ago
f'in awesome!
CancerJanitor 5 years ago
Wish I could have seen these guys while they were still around.
timthetortoise 5 years ago
fuckin a
brewit 5 years ago
is it called mathematical rock because the band plays just as vital roll as the lead singer?
billybob828 5 years ago
not really. it's called math rock mainly because of the complexity of their time signatures. this song, for example, is mostly in 7/8 (or 7/4, depending on how you count it) but changes to 4/4 in the chorus. check out Rush, The Mars Volta, or Dillinger Escape Plan - though elitists might call them strictly prog bands.
etfgert43t 3 years ago
yeah i wouldnt really call this math rock tho
INTERNETISREAL 2 years ago
i was responding to a question about math rock in general. genre labels are far from universally defined... but i would say that a general consensus on their category is somewhere between math rock and post-hardcore.
etfgert43t 2 years ago
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INTERNETISREAL 2 years ago
This just made my year
bobthesalesclerk 5 years ago
god damn it, that energy, i want more!
christidal 5 years ago
The best math-rock band ever. MORE!
tbzeee 5 years ago
I have this show on VHS, haven't watched it in like 10 years though. Nice.
atomjack 5 years ago
this is fantastic!! Jehu was one of my favorite bands. There needs to be more vids up of cools bands like this in thier element.
FurlessWookie 5 years ago
rare stuff
138beatsperminute 5 years ago
more, we need more...!
helenforsdale 5 years ago
dude.. ...thank you! very much!
zombiesaredudes 5 years ago
holy shit!!! whoever has the original tape, please post the rest of the gig.
tonyjackyl 5 years ago
bless you for posting this.
snardlefarb 5 years ago
dispite the quality of the tape...
THIS FUCKING RULES!!!!
this is so great, thanx a lot for posting this.
i saw the hot snakes live, they weren't as energetic as here, still ruled but i would love to see them flip out completly :D
thanx again
Ralph85 5 years ago
two of the best bands ever in my book.
gittty 5 years ago
"Everything is swollen, everything is swell."
I wish I had a chance to see Jehu live, or at least see Hot Snakes cover this one. Last time I saw Snakes (and it is the last time) they finished with Luau, they could have played Caress at least twice in that time.
jontk 5 years ago
I caught Jehu live in 1994 , wish i had a camera back then.
gittty 5 years ago
i saw them in amsterdam. i was completely flipping out, even the drummer noticed haha :P
they ende with bullet train to vegas, fkn hell, that was so incredible awesome.
Ralph85 4 years ago 2