Charles Finney and American Revivalism (WHI) [4of4]

[01blackpete1]

Finney was head and shoulders above the Calvinists.

[gamhazell]

@01blackpete1 Really? Please explain. In what way is this true?

[01blackpete1]

@gamhazell Finney was far more pietistic and had a real grasp of spiritual psychology. I read his Systematic Theology as a young Christian and was greatly inspired by his descriptions of what constituted the New Birth.

Finney moved away from forensic views of atonement towards a genuine existential at-one-ment with Christ. Funney would never have had it that all you need is faith as belief in the supposed axioms of theology. For Finney you had to walk the walk.

[gamhazell]

It is interesting to note how many people having been 'converted' under finney's ministry actually walked the walk. Finney rejected the idea of original sin and embraced an unbiblical pelagianism that could hardly logically lead to an experience with Christ based on what He has done. How can one move away from the substitutionary atonement and still have an 'existential' experience with Christ? The experience is dependent on the Historical events of the cross not experience for experience sake.

[01blackpete1]

@gamhazell Christianity is an allegory...nothing more.

[CBALLEN]

The things that really stand out to me about what Finney taught was,that it was man's job to bring about salvation and that it's non-sense to believe Jesus' righteousness can absolutely be imputed to a believer,he taught that man can only have his past sins forgiven,THEN it's up to them to keep themselves saved.This is no where near what the gospel is.

[VictorLepanto]

Talk about "burned over districts." Go to the historically Protestantized regions of Europe. How many people in Scandinavia, or the Prot. regions of Germany, or Britain; bother going to Church? How many are atheist there? This is just the logicall terminus of Protestantism itself. What was the impact of "revivalism" in other regions, like the South, or Mid-West? I can show you all the old Methodist churchs in my region. These people saved American Christianity.

[laughart1]

Entire obedience does not imply any change in the substance of the soul or body, for this the law does not require; and it would not be oblaigory if it did, because the requirment would be inconsistent with natural justice, and, therefore, not law. Entire obedience is the entire consecration of the power, as they are, to God. It does not imply any change in them,

but simply the right use of them.

[keljesusgirl]

Thanks so much for these WHI clips- I really have never heard anything like this- and am having a hard time figuring it all out now- I have been a Christian for 10 years- and God is STILL opening my eyes- and to the most simplest basic Christian doctrines- PRAISE HIS NAME!- Jesus is LORD!

[rom82830]

thanks for all of these posts

[searchingtoday]

I enjoyed Finney's autobiography.

It was very moving.

I like him a lot.

[artlinefree]

Finney's writing helped me a lot.

It seems to be the modern type preacher's who do the damage.

Osteen,Hinn,Murdock,Munsey etc.

We should all pray for revival.

[LaneCh]

I have a link to some things that I'd encourage you to read about what Finney believed. Would you like me to send it to you?

[artlinefree]

I have lots of books about Finney,and I like him.

We can pick at anyone if we look hard enough.

I don't see it as productive to slam someone who died so long ago.

Thank you anyway.

[LaneCh]

I take it you are protetstant. (If I'm wrong, then correct me.) If that's so, why do you think it's alright to examine the errors of Roman Catholicism to determine what is true and good, and not the heresy that Finney taught. We shouldn't be respecters of persons when judging error. Finney denied the substitutionary atonement, original sin, and other key doctrines of the faith. I don't post videos like this just to knock "great heroes of the faith." I do it to expose heresies.

[gamhazell]

@artlinefree To be quite honest, this isnt just simple nitpicking at someone who died a long time ago. This is dealing with a pervasive ideology that has influenced how we operate as ministers of the gospel and as Christians. Also, this isn't digging into Finney's for that illusive flaw (as a needle in a hay stack). It is pointing out blatant problems with Finney's theology and his methods of evangelism. These things are not hard to find because they are in-your-face as far as what he believed.

[harmonysound]

If Pentecostalism is facing burnout then why blame Finney?

They need a scapegoat -so blame Finney.

These air heads should do so much for God and other people.

Finney checked back on so many people and found they were still saved and on fire for God years later.

They should perhaps read Finney,or just get on with life and stop blaming.

If they don't like it, then stop talking and start doing.

We should blame someone who died 150 years ago?

Why not just look after souls today??

[LaneCh]

"Finney checked back on so many people and found they were still saved and on fire for God years later. They should perhaps read Finney,or just get on with life and stop blaming."

Um... did you actually listen to the program all the way through? (All 4) They touch on Finney's "converts". I have a link to more about Finney.  I'll send it to you if yo like.

[onlinesoon]

Um.........Did you actually read much about Finney before you put all this stuff up,or do you just listen to anyone and beieve them??

They don't sound like they read much Finney

[LaneCh]

"They don't sound like they read much Finney."

With your assertions, could you be a little more... scholarly?

PS. I have several of Finney's books and have read and listened to what he has written. "Heresy" would be the label best fit for what he taught.

[harmonysound]

Yes I listened all the way through.

I agree we should just move on.

This ia a blame game video.

Check our ways now,and move on for goodness sake.

These christian men are not discussing or even informing much.Let's critisize someone.

[LaneCh]

So do you disagree with people criticizing other people that they believe are in error?

[onlinesoon]

It seems that altar calls are now considered

heresy.

Well,most people probably stayed saved after altar calls.

They make evangelising sound bad.

[LaneCh]

I don't think the men implied that altar calls are heresy as much as they implied that altar calls are unnecessary. The problem with many, though, is that they think they're saved because of a profession they made at an altar (on that work). That is heresy.

[talkback22]

Some of this is weird.

They are grabbing at straws and trying to blame anything! on the fact that the Gospel

is not being preached as it should be.

[LaneCh]

Actually they are providing evidence for their assertions which, ironically, you have failed to do.

[harmonysound]

Evangelism has been taken over by Psychotherapy?

I don't think so.

[beejays11]

So go blame psychotherapists for the falling away from religion.

Clearly,that is ridiculous.

[LaneCh]

I'm sorry; I don't follow.

[beejays11]

Then listen to the video.

They blame psychotherapists for the falling away. They blame them for "absolution"

of peoples sins.

This is laughable.

If you believe that,you will believe anything.

[LaneCh]

Um... still; I have no idea what you are talking about. If anyone else reads this and does, please feel free to comment.

[333pro333]

I believe he is addressing one of the comments about psychotherapists advising burnt out pentecostals to stop believing all the religion stuff.

[faithinhim4life]

I have just listened to your broadcast on Charles Finney & American Revivalism. I am disappointed with your negative conclusions re:Finney. He was a true revivalist and God used him mightily to win 10,000's of souls to Christ just prior to the Civil War. I am a life long student of revival and this is the first time I have ever heard anything so negative about such a great man of God. In closing... I am sure the many souls who are now in heaven because of Finney's preaching are not complaining!

[LaneCh]

Would you say that the people in this video misrepresented Finney?

[burlr]

The problem we face is people dissecting the word of God and not excepting all of it as the whole word of God. As people we interpret the word of God to what we want to say. The word states that all scripture is by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit that all the word is given for doctrine for reproof and for correction. If you leave out the gifts of the holy spirit you leave out a vital part of the work of Jesus Christ.

[LaneCh]

Will you please expound upon what you're talking about regarding gifts? I want to know a little more so I can know if I agree with you.

[RoyIngle]

I agree with Mike Horton and White Horse Inn very often but I do wish they would emphasize a passion for Jesus that is not merely based on sound doctrine but a living, vital relationship with Jesus Christ.

[LaneCh]

I'm not sure how the two can be separated. In other words, how can a living, vital relationship be separated from sound doctrine? Surely if you're in a relationship with someone, a living and vital one, then it survives because you stay in the truth, not lies. Unsound doctrine is error. Sound doctrine is not.

[kcenhguor]

Surely, You Are Totally Wrong! Get first a revelation first and then we talk further! Blind leading blinds is still a biblical methaphore to you people! IF YOU DO NOT REPENT OF YOURSELF YOU WILL BE HARDENED AND MISS THE GLORY OF GOD. You speak as gods!

[LaneCh]

We're not the ones who deny the substitutionary atonement, man's total inability, and original sin among other things. How do we who believe those doctrines "speak as gods" because we merely believe what God has said?

[ReformedLou]

Thanks, Lane. I really hope JM views these, and that God convicts him of his error in this regard. He was saved from so much in life - what a greater blessing to be saved from that poor little island of self-righteousness.

[truth4U2C]

I love these guys...they will sharpen you for the battle