Madden NFL 12 New Features: Rehashing 08 Gameplay? (Pt.2)

[amehelizabeth]

typical Favre throwing the game losing pick

[1234bonzai]

The play at 1:41 would be an interception 9/10 times in Madden 12.

[TheIhitmarker]

madden 10 and 11 both had double tackles and even triple taks and even up to 7 man tackles more catching animations smoother gameplay and its more realistic u dont know what ur talking about its not a double tac when one guy hits u and then falls off as another guy hits u. get ur facts straight kid

[CodeNameTyphoon]

3:03 THAT is a beautiful double hit tackle.

[GameXPert2010]

Hey man whats ur gamertag, u seem like a really cool guy and i would enjoy playin madden 12 with u

[derelict92]

preach! Brother preach!

[Smann54]

I hated Madden 08

[ThePeteAwesome]

nfl 2k5 is still the most realistic, the controls are a bit hard to get into (for me) but still. AWESOME GAME! I will continue to edit my rosters to make it more realistic.

[WESTCOAST253]

THIS GAME LOOKS SO NICE AND REALISTIC

[CashMulla1993]

Locomotion started in the Ncaa 08 series Madden picked up some of its ground features such as locomotion look it up on Youtube in ncaa 08 balance actually meant something players could rotate in a circle on their hands to reverse their field direction overall it was a Great game to own! the best animation Ea has created

[djgq20]

I think that was actually the old school juke from 08... done that a few times

[MyJerry1995]

08 had all those features that 12 trynna put out now? WOW!!!!!!

[daltonamo]

@MyJerry1995 Not really. Head coach 08 had most of them. The tackling and player roles are from 08.

Just about the only real new things are the dynamic player performance and the 3d grass. While you're going OOoOOH 3D GRASS!? You should realize that dynamic player performance is the best thing to ever happen to madden.

[samdavis1228]

Yeah that was a auto juke to slide pass the o lineman, it just happened to juke in a way where it almost looks like he bounces off of him.

[MrAcham1997]

*move



[MrAcham1997]

im sorry, but he wasnt knocked off balance. he saw the other player, and made a juke mone

[irulsomuch]

the "new" tackling engine was in madden 08,3D grass, and i think locomotion was too, not so sure on that though

[Antman1290]

why dose thi look like qb club 2000

[gettinhiggywithit]

cant beat madden 10 though, the gang tackles and the slower running game just changed everything for the better, 08 and 09 were simply too fast paced

[irulsomuch]

@gettinhiggywithit Madden 10 just changed the default speed of the game to speed

[jswint22]

Good shit man. I thought you were just a Madden hater, but you really know what your talking about and i really agree with the stuff you say.

Keep it up.

[mushroom9278]

madden 08 and 09 were the best madden games on the new consoles (360 and ps3) the last two years the games have been terrible its extremely frustrating. idk whats wrong with ea but when 2k is making unbelievable games like nba with the realism and unique player movements, styles, etc. they need to step it up... im probably not going to buy madden 12 just because, unless its really good. but im tired of buying the new game and just going back to 09 anyways..

good video btw!

[trulyinfemous]

3:30 on FIFA 12 that'll be an injury for sure. Madden needs to steal that.

[SeussOfVA]

where is the tumbleweeds? theses dudes are working backwards

[85gioking]

this is probbably picky but can anyone tell me why they never put an interactive sideline just wondering maybe they fixed it in madden but can someone tell me

[TrueSimGamer]

@85gioking One of the dev team members said that it would take away from how well the game runs during actual gameplay because of all the extra memory needed. Weird, because 2k did it and did it well on PS2 and PS3.

[TheKCfan01]

It's because they had viable competition. When Sega/2k quit making NFL games in 04-05, Madden 06 and 07 blew (on next-gen) then 2k came back with APF 2k8 and Madden had to make their game really good again. Now the EA liscense was about to expire so they're making this the "year of the fan" so they can re win football gaming fans and renew their Exclusive deal in 2012.

[CommishAzure]

They just scrapped that D. Ortiz development team I guess but there's a lot of good that they could've built on just like you said...We will see where they take it from here...Locomotion may prove more harmful than good though. 

[3DarkTemplar]

i've finaly played Madden 08 and got excellent gameplay and Actually seen very little morphs, no sliding into plays, and physics was respected Cause i play with the Giants and every one person that tackled Jacobs, Jacobs moved forward intil someone else hit him. What happened after this?

[simfballcritic]

Same question I've had for 3 years, what happen to the blueprint from Madden 08. The current question is, will Madden 12 play like Madden 08 and better??? EA has the ability to make a decent game people, its been proven!!! Great vid Shake.....

[MarvinDahGreat]

wow... I bought Madden 06-11 but skipped 08 lol... why... why did i skip the good 1

[josephymb]

when does the demo come out?

[no40]

Shake, to answer your question in the description box, i believe the madden team probably did not rehash the things from 08 as i think it would be a waste of time for them to go back and revisit the past but to rather look forward and ahead.....i believe they are trying and maybe are starting to read the forums and listening to fans, especially the die hard ones....but who knows, they might be lazy enough to recycle some of the things from 08 and put it in 12

[ShakeDown2012]

@no40 They've done it many times before. My thing is, why didn't they just build from 08. By now Madden 12's tackles would be amazing.

[avok23]

I hate to be late on this but EA used Endorphin to do the Tackles in Madden 08. If you think i am lying check operation sports EA Simon Sherr . He is the animation director.

[bigxman2007]

*goes to buy madden 08*

[ShakeDown2012]

@bigxman2007 lols, nice

[bslydell]

Is there a hotter track out right now?!

[bslydell]

Man, this track is HOT

[ShakeDown2012]

@bslydell That's my man Alchemist. Underground D.J

[ShadowOpChris]

The whole thing in M08 where a DE is finese or bull rush is being brought back in M12 just without the pics under the players,Madden has digressed, not bcus they dont hav the time or bcus their focusing on presentation,The guy in the NCAA gameplay video said "we hav plenty of time to do the gameplay stuff" when asked about doing the enhanced presentation, but so that they can bring back features from previous games.Without the comp from 2K they kno they can slack

[roadrunner8835]

I think the main reason why this was taken out from the game for so long is because all they really focused on really was the presentation and graphics instead of actual mechanics and gameplay. That is why 2k is better, because the developers didn't worry about the graphics, they worked mainly on gameplay and the mechanics and gave most of the people what they wanted. So basically, madden is a porsche with a bad engine while 2k is a toyota with an engine that could last you a life time.

[zeokenX]

@roadrunner8835 Yeah pretty much bro.Seems EA is starting to prepare for the next gen prototypes sooner than expected now as long as they stick to their word.Iam not trusting them still however until I see these things in 12 and more some.Mainly,I wanna see what I see on Sunday in this game,even if its only a game.Do I wanna see a picture perfect replica of the NFL with this game? Hell no,but do I wanna see physics and momenteum play a factor in who gets ran over? Yup.

[ShakeDown2012]

@roadrunner8835 Agreed RoadRunner. To the fullest.

[daddynab]

this shit looks good i might actually get this how much is it in gamestop now?

[ShakeDown2012]

@daddynab $1.79 with the Gamestop card. $2 without it.

[gee8nats]

I did change the speed what I ment to say is they look like they are running like robots.

[TrueSimGamer]

Yep, Shake, Madden 08 is a good game. Can't believe I hated on it the way I did. I guess I was too in love with APF 2k8 to see how good M08 actually is.

[ShakeDown2012]

@TrueSimGamer It's far from being on APF 2K8's level as far as fundamentals are concerned. But it has the best Tackles of all the Maddens of the last 3 years.

[dmx1650]

just think if david ortiz did'nt get fired . this game could be a great game. i hate how the cpu can run the 2 min O perfect no matter what team is runing it in M11. i do the fantasy draft because i like having a solid D but thats whiped out when i can't stop anybody in the 2 mins .

[Joeyland]

I always felt the biggest problem with this game was the stupid weapon icons, of course,  the one thing marketed as a so`called improvment

[sanantoniocorky]

Nice vid Shake and some very good points about 08 but for the online player it was still a train wreck.

[ApexisGideon]

Yo Shake Talk about the Running Animations & how the Players Turn & Accelerate

[gg616]

@ApexisGideon

Yep, this was very evident in M08. Players moved more realistically. They had to generate momentum again, having to plant and turn and swivel to get back into a proper running position.

[ShakeDown2012]

@ApexisGideon Aight yo.

[TheCoolComplexity]

Its a shame they fired D.Ortiz.

[gee8nats]

I want to see the players run like this again. They run like the real speed of the player

Not slow like in 2011

[12WaterPhoenix12]

@gee8nats try changing the speed. There are multiple settings for a reason.

[jaso83balishag]

Mad props for another sic vid

[ShakeDown2012]

@jaso83balishag mad props for another sic comment my dude. Peace

[CardinalJiles]

i love ur reaction to the hit/play at :20. it what has gotten lost in madden. good catch, realistic catch, a turn around, and boom a good solid hit. AND if u continues the clip at 3:58 after the hit u'll here players go "whoooo!!" like damn u just got lit the fuck up! oh my god, i might go pick this shit up haha

[ShakeDown2012]

@CardinalJiles $1.79 yo. Can't beat that.

[NoobSoldier2006]

What is going to break or make this game is the ratings for the players. The first thing we all need to do when we get Madden 12 is to recreate that experiment Versus made with Ndomukong Suh with that Junior high school center. If it still have the same outcome, there's no point of continue playing Madden 12. No point of playing a game if the ratings doesn't effect animations you see on the field.

[ShakeDown2012]

@NoobSoldier2006 very true.

[ps3Rambo21]

This game was horrible

[ShakeDown2012]

@ps3Rambo21 I feel you. I didn't take one look at this game when APF2K8 came out. But it shocks me that Madden 12 is bringing back (or trying to bring back) these type of tackles. Can't believe they've been gone for 3 years.

[PMitch23]

The running animations on this title was a highlight. For once it felt like players were actually touching the ground... only problem was if you played as Randy Moss, because he ice skated. Great stuff... this makes me want to pick this game up again.

[nighttrainrb32]

I used to play Madden 08 religiously when I got first got my 360.

[RelVleDy]

Despite Madden 08's strengths, they were overshadowed by the fact you couldn't play it online... nano-blitzing and rocket catching ran rampant. Ironically, they still do, even today, in Madden 09, 10, and 11.

No matter how good Madden 12 is, I may not buy it because I know their current engine is incompetent at resolving the nano-blitzing. I'm a huge online competitive gamer, but what competition is there if everyone cheats?

[ShakeDown2012]

@RelVleDy I feel you on that. Sort of reminds me of why I hate playing Crew games on NBA 2K11.

[Roy1243]

yeah you know who it is if you dont its ya boy shake lets get em

[ShakeDown2012]

@Roy1243 hahaha, no doubt fam.

[Roy1243]

@ShakeDown2012 yo shake i cant get my aim on point in black ops got any tips? its irritatin son

[ShakeDown2012]

@Roy1243 Reduce your sensitivity. Practice in Combat training and you'll get it. Also, try free for all. If all else fails, try steady aim.

[Roy1243]

@ShakeDown2012 aight thanks for lookin out

[jumpdukejumps]

if bb had better programming the game would have been the best game ever but it didnt and came up short. only two years of programming football games. madden90-2000-2011=21 years of football programming and still cant get it right.

if a BB2 was to come out and be programed by the right people (2k) the game would ownd madden. if madden was programed by the right people (2k) then madden is amazing. unstill EA makes a prefect! madden lol i play 2k. EA has 2 make M12 Flawless 4 me to buy NOW lmao.

[Shadybest]

It looks like Madden 09 was a change in terms of simulation. It looks like they wanted to make it more accessible for others rather than make it more realistic. Madden 09's biggest feature was the gameplay level thing where it measures what level your on(I forgot what was the name of it).

Madden 11 felt like the worse one in a while cause taking away the turbo button and making everything easy is a bit too much.

[jumpdukejumps]

@Shadybest if i play any madden next gen it would be madden11 period. i dont know why yall hate that madden11 so much. they all suck but m11 is the best one. it needed the speed from m08.

[Shadybest]

@jumpdukejumps That's your opinion. I just felt like Madden 11 was very unrealistic. In my opinion I feel like Madden felt like the worst one.

[Shadybest]

@jumpdukejumps I think that the auto sprint, auto strafe and gameflow were all just for newbies at the game. The game still lacked a lot in the simulation department. The tackles are horrible and a lot of stuff just looked bad.

The developers focus on Madden 11 was not realism and that bothers me. Nobody can make perfect simulation game but, you can tell if they tried or not. They didn't.

[MrGatorMAN32]

I think that when EA added the ProTak animation system into their football games that it may have worked in theory but it turn out to be not good for the games!

[jumpdukejumps]

tackling is ok but m08 was shitty just like the rest. m08 has to many unstoppable plays and animations to call it a good madden. it was fun at that time but its the same bullshit. goalline run plays will work 100% first down or touchdown. players with symbols or over powering and unstoppable every play. you may like 08 when playing just to play but if playing to WIN i will cheese you to death just like 09 10 11 same shit pick top teams. the gameplay speed from m08 is missing in 09 10 11.

[ShakeDown2012]

@jumpdukejumps I feel you on this one my man.

[TheGr8190]

@jumpdukejumps there are ways to beat even the cheesiest of cheesers in 09-10-11

[nykia31]

@TheGr8190 True...all cheesers are beatable. Although it usually requires you to take a warm shower afterwards, due to the stench

[TheGr8190]

@nykia31 haha true that cheesers will have u sweating. especially when they get lucky at the end of games with fumbles or tipped passes. or even worst game changing int drops that couldve ended the game giving one more try for them to get lucky

[HTSupermaNIP]

Do you know what else happens in Madden 08 that has obviously been removed? If a defensive player is in the middle of tackling the offensive player with enough momentum to keep pushing forward, another defensive player can accidentally knock off the other defensive player, freeing up the player with the ball. No tumbleweed, MASS is respected.

[ShakeDown2012]

@HTSupermaNIP No doubt. You're absolutely right about that.

[Zaviex]

Madden 11 was 100x greater than. 08... 08 was trash. And STOP COMPARING NCAA and MADDEN they are not the sane game NCAA isfar superior right now

[ShakeDown2012]

@Zaviex I feel you on this comment. Thats why I bought NCAA11 and last year and didn't cop Madden 11. Peace yo.

[nykia31]

I have online gameplay footage that you can take a look at. You will see players animate themselves out of plays numerous times per game. I won a recent league game due to defense backs inexplicably taking themselves out of plays, and you will see plays where passrushers will strafe or glitch out when they have a clear path to the QB. Things like that happen multiple times in APF.

Madden 08 you had the corner route exploit, the DL Nano...NFL2k5 you had the hot route corner, no QB spy..etc.

[Remunial13]

@nykia31 That's true. Exploits like those can really ruin a game and they're the reason some people refuse to play online. However, people say that some of the older games are better because of the core gameplay. Take the double-hit tackles for instance. Why haven't they been in Madden the last few years? Things like that should be a given in any football game since they play such a huge role in real football. Things like that matter more to some people than an exploit they can choose not to use

[nykia31]

@Remunial13 We can only speculate, but something happened from 08-09 in the board room.

This time period was the begining of the "accesibility" phase at EA, which was a bloody nightmare.

The decisions that the higher ups at EA make can be mind bobbling at times. They try to fix what isnt broken, and break what was fine.

[ShakeDown2012]

@nykia31 there were tons of exploits in Madden 08

[809Ollie]

08 was ok but the commentary was horrible!

[ShakeDown2012]

@809Ollie the comment was ok but your personality is horrible!

[nflroundtable]

I pissed about REVIS showing off zone coverage... are you serious.... revis island...

Uh, he's known for man to man coverage, not ZONE!! thoughts simstandard?

[nykia31]

@nflroundtable I can guarantee you that Revis knows how to play cover 2-hard.  You wouldnt make a 9th grade football team, if you didnt.

[Remunial13]

@nflroundtable Just because it isn't his strong point that doesn't mean he hasn't learned it. He's a player in the NFL, i'm sure he knows the basics of his position.

[nflroundtable]

@Remunial13 of course he knows all about zone, but it shows that ratings won't matter, and yes Revis is one of the best CBs in the NFL, but it'd be nice to have a corner like Woodson or someone explain, and then have Revis explain man coverage, and then them at the end of it... show the difference in ratings and what they do... oh wait, this is Madden nvm, we'll get big name athletes to read off a script to explain it, lol nvm

[Remunial13]

@nflroundtable I'm not sure what ratings have to do with what they were showing there. Don't get me wrong, I honestly don't believe that ratings will matter (again) this year. However, I think you're reading too far into what they were showcasing. All they wanted to show was how a zone defender will cover differently depending on the routes the receivers are running.

[nykia31]

@nflroundtable Revis's man rating in Madden is either 98 or 99, and his zone coverage rating is 93. I believe his press coverage rating is between 95-98 as well

Revis is a very good zone defender, as well as being excellent at press-man as well as off-man coverage. He's one of the few defensive players in the league who has virtually no holes in his game.

The differences in the ratings are self explanatory.

[nflroundtable]

@nykia31 he may not have holes in his game, but the stats show that the Jets put him in man coverage, why not showcase what he actually plays and does sunday :)

[nykia31]

@nflroundtable Revis knows how to play cover 2.  Quit being a troll.

[ShakeDown2012]

@nflroundtable you know what... that's a good point. 

[nflroundtable]

@ShakeDown2012 Thanks BRO :) -- It's @ProInterviews

[nykia31]

i do not see how anyone could play Madden 08, and then play Madden 10, 11..and come away thinking that 08 is in any way, 'better'.

There is a tendency to over romanticize these older games, and ignore the laundry list of glitched out flaws.

This happens with APF2k8 all of the time.

Anyone who thinks the APF2k8 engine is more stable then Madden 11's is delusional.

Even 'the great' 2k5 had bugs that would have people howling bloody murder if they existed in a Madden game.

[nflroundtable]

@nykia31 examples in a video please?

[AllPro777]

@nykia31

I agree that Madden 08 total crap. Certainly, anyone can pick out some good points from any game, but Madden 08 had too many problems to be considered a well done game. I don't like the idea of "well Madden 11 was so bad it makes Madden 08 look great" I don't subscribe to that thinking. Both games stunk on their own merits (or lack thereof), and there is no question that from a technical standpoint, Madden 08 was the least technically sound because of its enormous amount of glitches.

[ShakeDown2012]

@AllPro777 Not saying the "GAME" itself was a great football game. We all know that APF2K8 is the best Next Gen game by far. But in my opinion its the best Madden when it comes to defense.

[ShakeDown2012]

@nykia31 It's so funny how people hear Madden 08 had good tackles and then put it in their minds that the person is saying "MADDEN O8 WAS A PHENOMENAL GAME". There is a tendency to hear one thing and assume another and ignore the facts.

Fact is, all those games have glitches and exploits. My point in this whole two part series was to showcase the tackles and how Madden 12 plans on bringing them back. We all know Madden 08 wasn't that great. Just tackles. (like Back Breaker)

[nykia31]

@ShakeDown2012 Well, there are plenty of comment posters that are writing screwy things, like madden 08 was the best next gen madden game. To me, that's absurd. You havent said that thankfully =o).

I do agree that Madden was the most hard hitting madden on next gen, but almost too much so. guys got flipped on their heads a lot.

[ShakeDown2012]

@nykia31 true that playa

[MrIwunna17]

Wtf happened ??? C'mon madden. Now I knw y I enjoyed NCaa08 and madden 08 so much

[ICANMAKECHANGES1981]

They are still capped animations. BackBreaker does it all of the time and the run struggle is more realistic than i've ever seen, That display of gameplay looks like a 2k product..What is Madden doing?

[ShakeDown2012]

@ICANMAKECHANGES1981 Backbreaker had the best tackles hands down. Just shocking how Madden12 plans on bringing back Madden08 tackles. After 3 years.

[AllPro777]

It's interesting fumbles were mentioned. That was one of the 100 or so glitches Madden 08 had, in that players fumbled too much. I remember people would say "you need to cover up! It's your fault" that was funny, because the devs later came out and admitted that covering up didn't help and that the fumbles were a result of a glitch that they couldn't fix. As for the hard tackles, sure they were nice until you seen it happen 100 times per game and therein lies the problem. It happened too often.

[ShakeDown2012]

@AllPro777 Agreed. I just think it's shocking that Madden 12 is bringing back what they've lost 3 years ago.

[CelticsFanBoy92]

I don't know what EA was thinking when they added ProTak. (Guy that comes up with ProTak) "Hey guys, I know we don't have the ability for double hit tackles, meaning that two people can't tackle the ball carrier, buy why can't we skip double hit tackles and allow 8 people to tackle him at once. I'd rather see dogpiles then see fluid double hit tackles"

[ShakeDown2012]

@CelticsFanBoy92 lols. Funny thing is they "did" have the ability to do double hits. And yet, for 3 years they took it out of the game.

[jahsmitty13]

I almost forgot about Madden 08. I guess since the titles after that were so horrible that it fell from grace with me. However, Madden 12 is looking like they have took what people have been complaining about into consideration, and we might actually see some good progress this year. Only the demo will tell. Good vid Shake.

[ShakeDown2012]

@jahsmitty13 agreed to the fullest. Peace Jah

[A1V1Productions]

whens the demo coming out?