That firearm is definitely not an HK 41, which fires the 5.56 x 45mm round. Those appear to be 7.62 x 51mm rounds which the G3 fires. I was going to say it looked like an MSG-90 but I changed my mind when I took a closer look.
@threetucans You just got your facts wrong, the HK 41 and the G3 both fire the 7.62x51mm NATO round.....if you don't know what your talking about please don't try to correct people.
@threetucans HK41 is the original civilian variant of the G3 with a semi-auto ONLY lower receiver. The MSG-90 is a recent militarized version of the PSG-1. as noted by the fact that this HK41 that you see here which is a civilian G3 firing the 7.62x51mm NATO round has a cheek rest, G3 body, and semi-auto only reciever... IT'S AN HK41!!!!!
@hellcatdave1 ya.... it's in fact a semi auto civilian gun manufactured til 1974 and the name was changed to hk91. you're thinking of the HK21 21 TWENTY ONE TWENTY FUCKING ONE not 41 TWENTY OOOOOONNNEEE!!!! k?
@hellcatdave1 alright. we're good then b. but this is indeed not an MSG-90. the MSG-90 is ALOT different. go look up a pic of it. this gun is an HK41/91 with a PSG-1 buttstock.
@hellcatdave1 uh... mechanisms wise, yes... visually, way different. the buttstock, handguard, barrel and flashider are way different. it's a PSG 1 with a flashider and a g3 pistol grip...
nice rifle..been thinking about getting a PTR-91 since HK dosent make it anymore..PTR bought the rights to make the G3..and they do a great job from what I have seen...
Living in australia i can say gun laws that are properly inforced and thought out to work with people who want to own guns work very well!! The primary use of cars, knifes, bats, bricks, dildos and beer bottles is not to kill things, to say why not control those objects is just stupid!
@ElectroDrop Do you know what, if the government enforced better rules/regulations with guns, crime would go down and people would be happier. I honestly don't think Aussie has the right rules for gun owners, good shooters should be praised and be allowed better (bigger) guns :D Oh and before I finish, guns don't kill people, people kill people. The gun doesn't have a brain, humans do!
@mentalone1995 I don't know, I think in some parts of the US I would like to have a gun with me.. Just because of the distances involved before help shows up.
But where I live criminals usually just shoot each other. Also My country is a LOT more densely populated, you can't shoot a gun at someone and miss.. 90% guaranteed you will hit someone else.
@Humberto4790 NO! You my are WRONG! There are some details of the TWO DIFFRENT weapons that is quite general; cocking handle, Delayed blowback mech, same type of ammo... BUT!!! HK21 models was released in 1961, and the HK41 in the 1980's based on the existing HK33/HK53 models, and made by Heckler & Koch as a companion to G11 model. Both models is ment to be an lighter version of the HK G3 7.62x51(.308).
Also there's a reason we have the 2nd amendment, it was created in a time of struggle and unjust and its still useful as all hell these days, you have some dude with a gun come into your house and all you got is a butter knife, i think we know whats going to happen. 20 minutes later after everything of value is already gone the police are going to show up and say "Tch tch tch, another defenseless person murdered without a chance to defend themselves...need another sheet!"
Yep, knives including letter openers should be made illegal. All guns should be banned. All cars should be outlawed...cause more people are killed by these than guns. Electricity & lightning bolts should be outlawed & banned, cause people have been killed by these. Anything & everything that is offensive should be banned.*except abortions on babies that already have a heartbeat (8 wks from conception & most find out about then),expressing openly gay public affection, illegal immigrants & etc.
I've been getting a lot of replies. You people just don't understand and I'm sorry for that. Murderers existed long before guns. The tool isn't the problem. It's the mentality of the user.
Guns are not dangerous at all. They shoot in the direction they are pointed 99.999999999% of the time. One in maybe 30 billion shots fired, will one back fire. The dangerous part of firing a gun is the person shooting it. They make the conscious decision to point the gun at someone/something, the gun does not make the choice. And as stated above, @MaisonHorne makes the point that banning guns will do nothing as they arent the only way to kill someone. The most dangerous weapon, is the human mind
@CoffeeBeatsTea not true at all. they are very dangerous in the hands of a marine as well! :) though one could argue they are also idiots, my point remains valid XD
Or in the hands of an intelligent psychopath...or in the hands of a corrupt cop or in the hands of a juvenile soldier who actually beLIEves in the crap his masters told him....
@natsplit Ahh. Right. I got conflicting reports from websites when I was curious about both weapons and simply assumed because they were so similar that they might as well be the same architecture.
That said, I must compliment the G3. It's one of my favorite battle rifles.
@RRVCrinale the PSG-1 has better supporting pods, and the barrel is both heavier in construction and longer. I would give the scoped G3 pin point accuracy at 600m. The PSG-1 can achieve pinpoint at 1000m with a skilled shooter.
Every time I hear someone say that the police are here to protect the public, I have to laugh, they are here to pick up the pieces after the crime. Try telling the three women in Washington D.C. who were repeatedly raped for three days that the police are here to protect them. The judge who heard their case back in the 1970s' said that they couldn't sue the police because they weren't there to protect them, but society as a hole, not individuals. So I agree that every free citizen needs weapons
citizens do not need guns to protect themselves. We have a police force for a reason. And getting rid of guns from the general population will (I think) decrease the amount of homicides and accidental gunshot fatalities
@kLB92651 You're a fool. Yes, disarm the innocent. I'm sure criminals will not obtain firearms. And homicides will certainly drop. Oh yes. Firearms are the only thing provoking homicide. No one would think to use a knife, or a bat or a brick or burn a house down, poison, vehicular manslaughter, drowning, strangulation, etcetera.
How naive are you? Do you know how many people die in motor vehicle accidents vs accidental gunshot fatalities? Should we outlaw cars because of that?
@MaisonHorne Certainly he's the fool and not you, because every country that has a strict gun policy have much higher crime rates then countries with loose policies... Oh wait, their crime rates are much lower...
@MaisonHorne hey idiot, the guns that the mexican cartels buy in the u.s. and are shipped across have killed over 28,000 people. So yeah go ahead and arm everyone with guns and shit and we'll have fucking anarchy.
@kLB92651 That's a customs and border control issue. You people look for every chance to put the blame on anything YOU dislike. Resentful, judgmental people.
@vidright That is certainly a colorful way to put it. Are you an angry person? Maybe your reasoning for firearms regulations comes from your experiences with your own, imbalanced temper.
@MaisonHorne vehicles designed for transfers-guns for killing.there is no other use for.That is the MAIN difference.despite that,i see your point with the criminality in USA
@hofmanlsd Wrong sir. I direct your attention to the Anschütz 1903. This gun is in no way shape or form meant for killing. It is used for competitions, such as in the Olympics. don't make claims that aren't true.
@MaisonHorne what do you think is easier, cleaner, and simpler? killing someone with a gun? or the mess that is killing someone with a knife.. having to get up close.. struggle with the victim.. jab that knife between his ribs
trust me the inhibition of using a knife compared to a gun is much higher
guns are the favourite homicide tool for a reason
and what do car crashes or accidental gunshots fatalities have to do with homicide?
i've rarely, if ever, seen a more ignorant comment
@Keh0ol disarm citizens and you have tyranny. Look at all the unarmed people being murdered by the ilitary in middle eastern countries right now.
The 2nd amendment is the final backstop against a tyrannical government and for common self defense. Only a total moron would rely upon the government for everything...because once you give them everything they can take it all away.
@Keh0ol Hey, think about this: what if all the civilians in Rwanda had been armed? Then maybe they could have defended themselves against the genocide. Ever think of that Mr. smart guy?
@nicksamokyszyn they had no chance because some armed all their enemies. gun restriction wont arm the bad guys and disarm the good. most criminals use black marked weapons which are essentially stolen\lost registered firearms.
@catbearlol I know, it is just a hypothetical situation, but you have to admit, if all the people being murdered suddenly had guns it would have turned out a lot different. Again, hypothetical.
@Keh0ol Lets be clear here. The Hutu were the ones murdering the Tutsis. What I am saying is that if the Tutsis had been given weapons in the same way the Hutu were, they might have had a fighting chance. Now you are going to say, "If no one had weapons it wouldn't have happened." This is true, but seeing as how the genocide was supported by the government and local military, that never would have happened and you know it.
@nicksamokyszyn in your scenario the government wouldn't have had any need to even arm their militias
could have saved them a lot of money and effort
even those hutu initially not inclined to go out on the streets and murder might have been convinced otherwise since obviously the tutsi would have been doing the same by then to defend themselves, immediately confirming all the hate propaganda that had been injected into the minds of the populace
@Keh0ol First and second lines: What? And to the last part, in the actual event, any pro-peace Hutu were murdered alongside the Tutsi because they were saw as traitors. And also, "since obviously the tutsi would have been doing the same by then to defend themselves" I don't think the Tutsis would be committing genocide to defend themselves.
@Keh0ol No, I believe they were all involved because I LOOKED IT UP. "The assassination of Habyarimana in April 1994 set off a violent reaction, resulting in the Hutus' conducting mass killings of Tutsis and pro-peace Hutus, who were portrayed as "traitors" and "collaborationists"."
"the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group"
"a war between political factions or regions within the same country." Hmmm... which sounds worse?
@Keh0ol Before you go, let me just get one thing strait. You are fine with the fact that 800,000 defenseless people were slaughtered and you would have it no other way. That is what you are saying? Because thats what it looks like to me.
@MaisonHorne i cant belive that this comment have gotten this many votes up. u are clearly not thinking straight and ur patriosm is blinding ur ability to look objectivly about his matter. you make it sound like restricting guns is giving guns to bad people and denying good law abiding people them. well its not.... if you restrict weapons for the people, there will be less weapons in the public. a robber wont have to use a gun cuz he knows he wont face an ak47 when he breaks in ur house.
@catbearlol Young, dumb and full of shit. That's what you are catbeartrollol. The problem with your logic is that you assume you can simply get in a time machine and travel back to when guns were invented, hundreds of years ago, and then imply your limitations then. Even if you make gun control stricter now, it won't stop the hundreds of millions of guns that are on the black market already, you can NEVER stop that flow. It is the same as drugs. You should read up on prohibition sometime.
@meshuggahfan making gun restrictions stricter is the only way you can reverse this escalation. yes, it will take forever, but eventually things will get better. guns are in no way like drugs.. guns will break down and are hard to make. drugs and alcohol can be made in a normal household. you say my arguments aren't logical? i merely question the paradox that you don't want gun restrictions, because you want to be able to protect yourself and family from other people with guns.
@catbearlol No, you are wrong again, if a bunch of kids in pakistan can make ak47's with some hammers and a few screwdrivers, then you are infact wrong again, it is quite easy to make guns. Question the paradox all day long, time machine man, but the fact remains the same, little kids can make them with a few hand tools and have been for a few centuries. And no, i'd never be about gun control, because once you limit the guns, you are merely creating a black market, i.e. PROHIBITION!
@catbearlol plus, i'll go out on a limb here and tell you straight up, that if you were infact able to get new gun legislation passed, I WILL STILL BUY GUNS NO MATTER WHAT, and NO MATTER HOW. I will still buy them, and I'm sure there are a few million people that feel the SAME way that I do. -- Mfan
@meshuggahfan if you can proove that pakistani kids can make ak47's with a hammer and a screwdriver, ill take back everything ive said. you need a foundry and an industrial metal workshop. not to mention bullets...
i don't see why you cant realize that this ultra liberal gun policy you have isn't very good. the only reason a people wouldn't want gun restrictions, is if you are afraid of your government ....that is if ur not a selfish redneck.
@catbearlol watch?v=0hPJJ6QFHpI you should get started on making those apologies. I'm sure i'm not the only one that you've tried to push your naive absent minded opinion towards. Thank you, please come again. Again, they make them with hammers, screwdrivers, and rocks.
@meshuggahfan lol that is actually impressive that you were able to even find a video about just this. allthough its full of crap and lies.... i wish the american rednecks good luck trying to hide a gun indrustry of that magnitude from the us police.
@catbearlol give me a source as to why it's full of "crap and lies" if you bothered to watch the video (it's only 7 minutes long) you can clearly see that the entire community is replicating and copying existing guns, and doing it from scratch, in caves. They even have a few "american" knock offs that they made perfectly. There is no such thing as the US police. How old are you again catbeartroll? 12? 13? Ever been robbed at gunpoint? Ever had your home invaded? Apology accepted, BITCH.
@meshuggahfan im a 22 year old norwegian male. why would i apologize ? i see no reason... you probably believe everything you see on the internet. it is impossible to make precision metal parts with a screwdriver and you know that. yes i have had my home invaded, burgulars broken through of living room window while we were sleeping. but we have a german shepherd\rottweiler mix dog which scared them away. if we had guns, and the burgulars had gun it would be a totally different story.
@meshuggahfan and yes i watched the entire video, nowhere do they show how they make the parts from scratch. i see a lot of "scavenged" items being reused and re purposed. the only thing impressive about that video is that their government lets them keep doing it without interfering. this would never work in a country with proper leadership. the authorities would stop you.
@MaisonHorne a robber wont have to kill the clerk of a liqour store cuz he isnt afraid of him hiding a sawnoff shotgun under the counter, neither is any of the other customers there. yes most murders are committed by unregistrered weapons, but all those gun were sold legally at one point. and fact is that those guns woulndt be there if u would had restrictions. and wtf is with the car arguement, u gotta be plain stupid. cars are a necesity. guns arent.
@catbearlol /watch?v=rysWX_WW89Y do you think that guy was afraid that the clerk had a "sawnoff shotgun" under the counter? No. He is just a cold hearted killed. And do you really think he bought his gun from a gun store? I highly doubt it. It is probably some black market piece of crap with it's serial number scratched off. More strict gun control would have no affect on how that man, or anyone like him, obtains their firearms.
@nicksamokyszyn you truly are stupid.... illegal firearms are stolen\lost\sold registered firearms just like the ones ur daddy has. decreasing the amount of firearms will decrease the amount of people who sell\lose them.
@catbearlol My dad's guns... Who said anything about my dad's guns? And decreasing the amount of firearms you can legally buy will in theory decrees the number of lost/stolen and then sold guns, it will also decrees the number of guns honest citizens (like myself) can buy and then defend themselves and others. I ran out of characters in the last comment but I was going to say that if I was in that store and armed, I would have shot the robber before he had a chance to fire off another round.
@MaisonHorne i can see your point, tho 600 years ago people had knifes, clubs, hammers axes n shit, the "inocent" or the folk didnt have guns, but still in only a single battle, 26 000 people died, from both sides, imagine in a war... sorry, i can see your point, but still... invalid point
@kLB92651 YEAH SURE COME AND SAY THAT IN MEXICO WEY.. WE HAVE VERY STRICT GUN CONTROL LAWS AND THE RESULT? ROBBERS CAN GET INTO YOUR HOUSE AND STEAL EVERYTHING IN FRONT OF YOUR EYES, MURDER RATES ARE SKYHIGH AND POLICE WELL THE USUALLY ARRIVE 40 MINUTES LATE SUCKER
@evildeathmonkey1 thats not 100% correct, they rob from time to time, police is very corrupt, but they dont do the job themselves they let criminals rob to recieve bribes. thats why people need guns, gun control works only for the law abbiding citizen not for the criminals or the corrupts
how well does that sight stay zeroed? any affect from recoil? i was thinking of getting a g3 just that the 308 is such a great round and the g3 is affordable....
hi nick, i got an old german hunting wappon a mauser 7,62x51 and also a new steyr .308 i can schoon both kalibers with both wappons, what nato people doing i dont know but the german armee isnt using .308 ONLY 7,62x51, sorry they did coz they changed theyr standardwappon G3 to G36, G36 is a 5, anything kaliber
@tk175 Go check your SAAMI specs for 7.62 vs. .308 again. 7.62 has a slightly longer datum line, and is underpressured compared to the .308 at only 54k psi, where as the .308 is set for pressures up to 64k psi. BTW, pressure is that motive force behind the bullet. Its possible to put 7.62 ammo in a .308 receiver and barrel, but dangerous to put .308 ammo in a 7.62 receiver and barrel. It might blow up on you.
uhhh they both shoot 7.62 NATO (7.62 x 51)... which has the same specs as .308 Win (7.62 x 51).. 7.62 NATO just has some minor cartridge differences.. They are safely interchangeable
Well, I'm not sure exactly about the difference about guns because I'm not into getting one myself(yet) but I as far as I know, there are more people in America who own guns, and in Poland we are mostly getting them to defend ourself so small handguns, I don't know about bigger one's.
@NKA23 No.But that's the beauty part of it, because criminals would still not be able to get a firearm legally anyways, it would put responsibility in the hands of the citizenry to make their community's a law abiding place of tolerance (not acceptance) and peace.I glad you see the truth in my statement.I am assuming you were going to finish your statement with: ."...because they would be a tyrannical political party with absolute control of firearms."In that case, yes.The freest people own guns
Well, most countries of the EU have very strict gun laws, of course many criminals don´t give a shit ´bout that and have guns, still we have less crime, less murders...how do you explain that?
@NKA23 Well Europeans are subject's of their government,whereas we here in in America are citizens or our republic of the United States. As such we are do not to let misanthropes of society dictate what our liberty's are or how we conduct ourselves in our exercise of the pursuit of happiness. Your assertion the murder rate to gun ownership ratio here in America is concurrent to one another is false, and any statistic to the contrary is is indicative of a state or city with high gun control.
I came here coz I thought it was a girl shooting
arthasbr 4 months ago 7
Strzelam takim w Call of duty :D
Syberytowy 5 months ago
That firearm is definitely not an HK 41, which fires the 5.56 x 45mm round. Those appear to be 7.62 x 51mm rounds which the G3 fires. I was going to say it looked like an MSG-90 but I changed my mind when I took a closer look.
threetucans 5 months ago
@threetucans You just got your facts wrong, the HK 41 and the G3 both fire the 7.62x51mm NATO round.....if you don't know what your talking about please don't try to correct people.
retrofy23 4 months ago
@threetucans HK41 is the original civilian variant of the G3 with a semi-auto ONLY lower receiver. The MSG-90 is a recent militarized version of the PSG-1. as noted by the fact that this HK41 that you see here which is a civilian G3 firing the 7.62x51mm NATO round has a cheek rest, G3 body, and semi-auto only reciever... IT'S AN HK41!!!!!
THEEConnorLange 1 month ago
@THEEConnorLange HK41 is a LMG made from the G3.
It's both belt-fed and magazine-fed.
Ty.
hellcatdave1 3 weeks ago
@hellcatdave1 ya.... it's in fact a semi auto civilian gun manufactured til 1974 and the name was changed to hk91. you're thinking of the HK21 21 TWENTY ONE TWENTY FUCKING ONE not 41 TWENTY OOOOOONNNEEE!!!! k?
THEEConnorLange 3 weeks ago
@THEEConnorLange Bro.
Chill the fuck off.
Grow some balls, pubic hair, and be mature.
I missed a letter, go cry in a fucking corner.
hellcatdave1 3 weeks ago
@hellcatdave1 Number*
hellcatdave1 3 weeks ago
@hellcatdave1 alright. we're good then b. but this is indeed not an MSG-90. the MSG-90 is ALOT different. go look up a pic of it. this gun is an HK41/91 with a PSG-1 buttstock.
THEEConnorLange 3 weeks ago
@THEEConnorLange MSG-90 isn't "alot" different..
Only a bit..
hellcatdave1 3 weeks ago
@hellcatdave1 uh... mechanisms wise, yes... visually, way different. the buttstock, handguard, barrel and flashider are way different. it's a PSG 1 with a flashider and a g3 pistol grip...
THEEConnorLange 3 weeks ago
@THEEConnorLange It has almost the exact same stock. Google it. To the MSG-90A1.
Barrel isn't the "same"?
The only difference between barrels is that one is specially selected.
The flash hider design has never actually changed. The MSG-90 has a G3 pistol grip. It has the "navy" grip, which even G3's have.
TYYYY!
hellcatdave1 2 weeks ago
szczylam?
tgchan 6 months ago
Wtf? Shooting range of soccerfield? Eastern europe way of safety. Whats in the background? A kindergarden?
pkbjorn35 6 months ago
nice rifle..been thinking about getting a PTR-91 since HK dosent make it anymore..PTR bought the rights to make the G3..and they do a great job from what I have seen...
HamTheDog 6 months ago
@HamTheDog they did not just buy the rights, they baught the equipment to make them with. and PTR did not buy it, JLD bought them.
InAKwitmyHK91 5 months ago
@InAKwitmyHK91 thats even better :)
HamTheDog 5 months ago
Living in australia i can say gun laws that are properly inforced and thought out to work with people who want to own guns work very well!! The primary use of cars, knifes, bats, bricks, dildos and beer bottles is not to kill things, to say why not control those objects is just stupid!
ElectroDrop 7 months ago
@ElectroDrop Do you know what, if the government enforced better rules/regulations with guns, crime would go down and people would be happier. I honestly don't think Aussie has the right rules for gun owners, good shooters should be praised and be allowed better (bigger) guns :D Oh and before I finish, guns don't kill people, people kill people. The gun doesn't have a brain, humans do!
mentalone1995 6 months ago
@mentalone1995 I don't know, I think in some parts of the US I would like to have a gun with me.. Just because of the distances involved before help shows up.
But where I live criminals usually just shoot each other. Also My country is a LOT more densely populated, you can't shoot a gun at someone and miss.. 90% guaranteed you will hit someone else.
evildeathmonkey1 6 months ago
@VinnieDain424 Because they have a 1/5th of the population of the U.S. combined? I dunno call me crazy...
tlucentefl 7 months ago
@tlucentefl ''causalities per person'' is relative Einstein.
evildeathmonkey1 6 months ago
@evildeathmonkey1 Nice 1 month old comment reply. I'm sure you're feeling quite bright. I'll just be over here, I don't want to ruin it for you.
tlucentefl 6 months ago
g3 not hk41 fucking call of duty bratz u HEAR ME!
zpk2k9 8 months ago 21
@zpk2k9 If you understood the actual origin and evolution of the beautiful Spanish lady you would know your comment is just silly.
CottenCandyFckTart 7 months ago
@zpk2k9 Actually it;s the other way around, call of duty brats call it the G3.
Humberto4790 5 months ago
@zpk2k9 i dont play cod but they are all variants of it even the mp5 with the large difference in ammunition
lalablablaification 5 months ago
@zpk2k9 You're a dumbass, you're thinking of HK21 not Hk41. People sometimes like to put H&K and the gun's number instead of G3. In fact G3 is Hk41
ATGOD 5 months ago
@zpk2k9 Actually in call of duty its called the HK21.
Humberto4790 3 months ago
@Humberto4790 NO! You my are WRONG! There are some details of the TWO DIFFRENT weapons that is quite general; cocking handle, Delayed blowback mech, same type of ammo... BUT!!! HK21 models was released in 1961, and the HK41 in the 1980's based on the existing HK33/HK53 models, and made by Heckler & Koch as a companion to G11 model. Both models is ment to be an lighter version of the HK G3 7.62x51(.308).
bobsxky 2 months ago
By now I want to conclude all of You who base your knowledge form ANY game (don't care of it is CoD or BF3 or what-so-ever).
ALWAYS check a reliable site or a book if You have one.
bobsxky 2 months ago
@zpk2k9 The HK-41 was made before Call of Duty existed.
Don't hate on the weapon because of a game.
This is a MSG90, though..
hellcatdave1 3 weeks ago
@hellcatdave1 i dnt hate it, I love any thing heklar and koch
zpk2k9 4 days ago
Also there's a reason we have the 2nd amendment, it was created in a time of struggle and unjust and its still useful as all hell these days, you have some dude with a gun come into your house and all you got is a butter knife, i think we know whats going to happen. 20 minutes later after everything of value is already gone the police are going to show up and say "Tch tch tch, another defenseless person murdered without a chance to defend themselves...need another sheet!"
darkman30200 8 months ago
Thats because mexico generally sucks
darkman30200 8 months ago
Yep, knives including letter openers should be made illegal. All guns should be banned. All cars should be outlawed...cause more people are killed by these than guns. Electricity & lightning bolts should be outlawed & banned, cause people have been killed by these. Anything & everything that is offensive should be banned.*except abortions on babies that already have a heartbeat (8 wks from conception & most find out about then),expressing openly gay public affection, illegal immigrants & etc.
TheMusicMixer1000 9 months ago
hehe shooting magpie
pissmeister 9 months ago
ITT rednecks and vaginas
sixtytengoespro 10 months ago
i use this....it's not so beautiful like someone think...a good rifle but no more...a good recoil (despit the relay with rollers system)...
valeriobert 1 year ago
Shooting in a football ground. This is criminal, with weapons one has to learn the Etiquettes as well.
charaderaptor 1 year ago
@charaderaptor stfu theyre from poland there everything is legal
istuddd 1 year ago
@charaderaptor
depends on the laws of their country, not every country in the world is uptight about guns like the USA
also... the field looks a lil homemade if u ask me
nle4lyfe 11 months ago
I find it hilarious that some armies actually use this thing as a sniper rifle... the barrel is far too short for that purpose.
DrTrurl 1 year ago
I've been getting a lot of replies. You people just don't understand and I'm sorry for that. Murderers existed long before guns. The tool isn't the problem. It's the mentality of the user.
MaisonHorne 1 year ago
G3A3 7.62x51 with a Steiner 4X24 scope. standard issue army patrol sniper rifle.
armarki90 1 year ago
@dakoda201 That is exactly what i do.
airsoftloverusp 1 year ago
Guns are not dangerous at all. They shoot in the direction they are pointed 99.999999999% of the time. One in maybe 30 billion shots fired, will one back fire. The dangerous part of firing a gun is the person shooting it. They make the conscious decision to point the gun at someone/something, the gun does not make the choice. And as stated above, @MaisonHorne makes the point that banning guns will do nothing as they arent the only way to kill someone. The most dangerous weapon, is the human mind
lshssprings 1 year ago 33
@lshssprings yet the weapon is the tool the human mind has, removing the tool makes the mind useless
artiejump 5 months ago
guns are only dangerous in the hands of an idiot
CoffeeBeatsTea 1 year ago
@CoffeeBeatsTea not true at all. they are very dangerous in the hands of a marine as well! :) though one could argue they are also idiots, my point remains valid XD
Koldatt 1 year ago
@CoffeeBeatsTea
Or in the hands of an intelligent psychopath...or in the hands of a corrupt cop or in the hands of a juvenile soldier who actually beLIEves in the crap his masters told him....
NKA23 1 year ago
Nice rifle, a shame they are banned in Canada.....
erikcanada 1 year ago
@erikcanada a lot of things are banned in Canada or are ridiculously hard to get :(
Nitoryuu 1 year ago
@Nitoryuu yeah, sigh. when I am prime minister...mahahahaha!
erikcanada 1 year ago
Man that gun has a nice sound to it.
dirtydave169 1 year ago
A G3 with a scope like that...isn't that basically a PSG-1 or a PS90?
RRVCrinale 1 year ago
@RRVCrinale
no. psg-1 is a different weapon, though its based on the g3.
this is a g3 with the german standard issued scope (hensoldt) as it was used in the bundeswehr.
natsplit 1 year ago
@natsplit Ahh. Right. I got conflicting reports from websites when I was curious about both weapons and simply assumed because they were so similar that they might as well be the same architecture.
That said, I must compliment the G3. It's one of my favorite battle rifles.
RRVCrinale 1 year ago
@RRVCrinale the PSG-1 has better supporting pods, and the barrel is both heavier in construction and longer. I would give the scoped G3 pin point accuracy at 600m. The PSG-1 can achieve pinpoint at 1000m with a skilled shooter.
SoulsStealerMalti 1 year ago
h&k really know how to make a rifle
sajara4productions 1 year ago
try not to hit the children playing soccer haha
littlenicky33 1 year ago
this cunt shouldnt be handling this gun
MisterPeetBull 1 year ago
Is this a soccer field? haha
Armand1694 1 year ago
how well did you do
GSSRT8 1 year ago
Every time I hear someone say that the police are here to protect the public, I have to laugh, they are here to pick up the pieces after the crime. Try telling the three women in Washington D.C. who were repeatedly raped for three days that the police are here to protect them. The judge who heard their case back in the 1970s' said that they couldn't sue the police because they weren't there to protect them, but society as a hole, not individuals. So I agree that every free citizen needs weapons
boomerang32 1 year ago
citizens do not need guns to protect themselves. We have a police force for a reason. And getting rid of guns from the general population will (I think) decrease the amount of homicides and accidental gunshot fatalities
kLB92651 1 year ago
@kLB92651 You're a fool. Yes, disarm the innocent. I'm sure criminals will not obtain firearms. And homicides will certainly drop. Oh yes. Firearms are the only thing provoking homicide. No one would think to use a knife, or a bat or a brick or burn a house down, poison, vehicular manslaughter, drowning, strangulation, etcetera.
How naive are you? Do you know how many people die in motor vehicle accidents vs accidental gunshot fatalities? Should we outlaw cars because of that?
MaisonHorne 1 year ago 71
@MaisonHorne Oh so you think arming the general population with AR-15's is a good idea huh? You are so messed up.
kLB92651 1 year ago
@kLB92651 You're damn right, AK's are much better.
serbianhero 1 year ago
@MaisonHorne Certainly he's the fool and not you, because every country that has a strict gun policy have much higher crime rates then countries with loose policies... Oh wait, their crime rates are much lower...
BKHagge 1 year ago
@MaisonHorne hey idiot, the guns that the mexican cartels buy in the u.s. and are shipped across have killed over 28,000 people. So yeah go ahead and arm everyone with guns and shit and we'll have fucking anarchy.
kLB92651 1 year ago
@kLB92651 "An armed society is a polite society."
So shut the fuck up.
wowplayer160 1 year ago
@kLB92651 That's a customs and border control issue. You people look for every chance to put the blame on anything YOU dislike. Resentful, judgmental people.
MaisonHorne 1 year ago
@MaisonHorne
I really hope, when the last gun-horny idiot like you lies 10 feet below the lawn, people will argue a little more objective.
vidright 1 year ago
@vidright That is certainly a colorful way to put it. Are you an angry person? Maybe your reasoning for firearms regulations comes from your experiences with your own, imbalanced temper.
MaisonHorne 1 year ago
@MaisonHorne vehicles designed for transfers-guns for killing.there is no other use for.That is the MAIN difference.despite that,i see your point with the criminality in USA
hofmanlsd 1 year ago
@hofmanlsd Wrong sir. I direct your attention to the Anschütz 1903. This gun is in no way shape or form meant for killing. It is used for competitions, such as in the Olympics. don't make claims that aren't true.
nicksamokyszyn 9 months ago
YOU ARE SO FUCKING STUPID IT HURTS MY BRAIN.
catbearlol 1 year ago
@MaisonHorne what do you think is easier, cleaner, and simpler? killing someone with a gun? or the mess that is killing someone with a knife.. having to get up close.. struggle with the victim.. jab that knife between his ribs
trust me the inhibition of using a knife compared to a gun is much higher
guns are the favourite homicide tool for a reason
and what do car crashes or accidental gunshots fatalities have to do with homicide?
i've rarely, if ever, seen a more ignorant comment
Keh0ol 1 year ago
@Keh0ol disarm citizens and you have tyranny. Look at all the unarmed people being murdered by the ilitary in middle eastern countries right now.
The 2nd amendment is the final backstop against a tyrannical government and for common self defense. Only a total moron would rely upon the government for everything...because once you give them everything they can take it all away.
2204Alpha 1 year ago
@2204Alpha bullshit
i live in a country where hardly anyone is armed
there is no tyranny here.. not even close
weapons are a lot easier to come by in those middle eastern countries you speak of
in many cases tyranny has been formed by an armed majority.. just look at the genocide that took place in rwanda
but keep telling yourself that being armed helps
won't make it true but maybe it will make you happy to be able to "defend" yourself against an oppressive government with a firearm
ridiculous
Keh0ol 1 year ago
@Keh0ol Hey, think about this: what if all the civilians in Rwanda had been armed? Then maybe they could have defended themselves against the genocide. Ever think of that Mr. smart guy?
nicksamokyszyn 9 months ago
@nicksamokyszyn they had no chance because some armed all their enemies. gun restriction wont arm the bad guys and disarm the good. most criminals use black marked weapons which are essentially stolen\lost registered firearms.
catbearlol 9 months ago
@catbearlol I know, it is just a hypothetical situation, but you have to admit, if all the people being murdered suddenly had guns it would have turned out a lot different. Again, hypothetical.
nicksamokyszyn 9 months ago
@nicksamokyszyn oh yeah RIGHT!
i'm sure arming even more people would have significantly reduced casualties!!
why hadn't i thought of this
i guess i really am not that smart
just to make things clear the civilians in rwanda WERE armed
the killing was done by everyday people like you and me who were rallied and armed by the government solely for that purpose
i suppose you wouldn't like your neighbour kicking in your door out of the blue riddling your family with bullets
no me neither
Keh0ol 9 months ago
@Keh0ol Lets be clear here. The Hutu were the ones murdering the Tutsis. What I am saying is that if the Tutsis had been given weapons in the same way the Hutu were, they might have had a fighting chance. Now you are going to say, "If no one had weapons it wouldn't have happened." This is true, but seeing as how the genocide was supported by the government and local military, that never would have happened and you know it.
nicksamokyszyn 9 months ago
@nicksamokyszyn in your scenario the government wouldn't have had any need to even arm their militias
could have saved them a lot of money and effort
even those hutu initially not inclined to go out on the streets and murder might have been convinced otherwise since obviously the tutsi would have been doing the same by then to defend themselves, immediately confirming all the hate propaganda that had been injected into the minds of the populace
just to answer your initial question in detail
Keh0ol 9 months ago
@Keh0ol First and second lines: What? And to the last part, in the actual event, any pro-peace Hutu were murdered alongside the Tutsi because they were saw as traitors. And also, "since obviously the tutsi would have been doing the same by then to defend themselves" I don't think the Tutsis would be committing genocide to defend themselves.
nicksamokyszyn 9 months ago
@nicksamokyszyn what's so hard to understand about the first and second lines? why would you need to arm someone who already is armed?
"I don't think the Tutsis would be committing genocide to defend themselves." they would have killed hutu to defend themselves
no matter what you call it that would have been enough to get even more armed hutu on the streets
so as a matter of fact if all civillians had been armed the whole massacre would probably have been 2 times worse
Keh0ol 9 months ago
@Keh0ol What do you mean already armed?
Yes, the Tutsi would be killing the Hutu to defend themselves, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE GENOCIDE.
All of the Hutu people we killing, those that weren't killing were being killed because they were seen as traitors.
Also, we aren't using the word "civilians" in the same way. To me, the civilians are the ones NOT COMMITTING GENOCIDE.
Lastly, if both sides were armed it would not have been a genocide, and thats all that matters.
nicksamokyszyn 9 months ago
@nicksamokyszyn as soon as someone is armed and fighting he's not considered a civilian
look it up
"All of the Hutu people we killing, [...] seen as traitors."
you honestly believe ALL of the hutu were involved?
is it because they're all monsters and have nothing on their mind other than killing tutsies?
"Lastly, if both sides [...] all that matters."
oh quite wrong
again look up the definition
and what's a word anyway? people are still dying no matter what you call it for fucks sake
Keh0ol 9 months ago
@Keh0ol No, I believe they were all involved because I LOOKED IT UP. "The assassination of Habyarimana in April 1994 set off a violent reaction, resulting in the Hutus' conducting mass killings of Tutsis and pro-peace Hutus, who were portrayed as "traitors" and "collaborationists"."
"the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group"
"a war between political factions or regions within the same country." Hmmm... which sounds worse?
nicksamokyszyn 9 months ago
@nicksamokyszyn "pro-peace" is not the same as "i'll sit in my house and wait til it's over"
whatever buddy i'm done discussing this matter with someone who can't even interpret a definition that's as clear as day
you just go and keep suggesting that adding more weapons to a conflict will solve problems
maybe some day someone will buy your bullshit ;)
i'm sure you'll find your best friends in the gun lobby
Keh0ol 9 months ago
@Keh0ol Before you go, let me just get one thing strait. You are fine with the fact that 800,000 defenseless people were slaughtered and you would have it no other way. That is what you are saying? Because thats what it looks like to me.
nicksamokyszyn 9 months ago
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@nicksamokyszyn "You are fine with the fact that 800,000 defenseless people were slaughtered and you would have it no other way"
if you can name me one passage where i even remotely said any such thing i'll walk away in shame
i'll just save you the effort and tell you outright that you can't
having twice the amount of casualties is better so long as everyone able had a gun to carry around... is that what YOU are saying?
Keh0ol 9 months ago
@MaisonHorne interesting article
ww w.nber.or g/digest/feb01/w7967.html
maybe you should read it
Keh0ol 1 year ago
@MaisonHorne i cant belive that this comment have gotten this many votes up. u are clearly not thinking straight and ur patriosm is blinding ur ability to look objectivly about his matter. you make it sound like restricting guns is giving guns to bad people and denying good law abiding people them. well its not.... if you restrict weapons for the people, there will be less weapons in the public. a robber wont have to use a gun cuz he knows he wont face an ak47 when he breaks in ur house.
catbearlol 1 year ago
@catbearlol Young, dumb and full of shit. That's what you are catbeartrollol. The problem with your logic is that you assume you can simply get in a time machine and travel back to when guns were invented, hundreds of years ago, and then imply your limitations then. Even if you make gun control stricter now, it won't stop the hundreds of millions of guns that are on the black market already, you can NEVER stop that flow. It is the same as drugs. You should read up on prohibition sometime.
meshuggahfan 9 months ago
@meshuggahfan making gun restrictions stricter is the only way you can reverse this escalation. yes, it will take forever, but eventually things will get better. guns are in no way like drugs.. guns will break down and are hard to make. drugs and alcohol can be made in a normal household. you say my arguments aren't logical? i merely question the paradox that you don't want gun restrictions, because you want to be able to protect yourself and family from other people with guns.
catbearlol 9 months ago
@catbearlol No, you are wrong again, if a bunch of kids in pakistan can make ak47's with some hammers and a few screwdrivers, then you are infact wrong again, it is quite easy to make guns. Question the paradox all day long, time machine man, but the fact remains the same, little kids can make them with a few hand tools and have been for a few centuries. And no, i'd never be about gun control, because once you limit the guns, you are merely creating a black market, i.e. PROHIBITION!
meshuggahfan 9 months ago
@catbearlol plus, i'll go out on a limb here and tell you straight up, that if you were infact able to get new gun legislation passed, I WILL STILL BUY GUNS NO MATTER WHAT, and NO MATTER HOW. I will still buy them, and I'm sure there are a few million people that feel the SAME way that I do. -- Mfan
meshuggahfan 9 months ago
@meshuggahfan if you can proove that pakistani kids can make ak47's with a hammer and a screwdriver, ill take back everything ive said. you need a foundry and an industrial metal workshop. not to mention bullets...
i don't see why you cant realize that this ultra liberal gun policy you have isn't very good. the only reason a people wouldn't want gun restrictions, is if you are afraid of your government ....that is if ur not a selfish redneck.
catbearlol 9 months ago
@catbearlol watch?v=0hPJJ6QFHpI you should get started on making those apologies. I'm sure i'm not the only one that you've tried to push your naive absent minded opinion towards. Thank you, please come again. Again, they make them with hammers, screwdrivers, and rocks.
meshuggahfan 9 months ago
@meshuggahfan lol that is actually impressive that you were able to even find a video about just this. allthough its full of crap and lies.... i wish the american rednecks good luck trying to hide a gun indrustry of that magnitude from the us police.
catbearlol 9 months ago
@catbearlol give me a source as to why it's full of "crap and lies" if you bothered to watch the video (it's only 7 minutes long) you can clearly see that the entire community is replicating and copying existing guns, and doing it from scratch, in caves. They even have a few "american" knock offs that they made perfectly. There is no such thing as the US police. How old are you again catbeartroll? 12? 13? Ever been robbed at gunpoint? Ever had your home invaded? Apology accepted, BITCH.
meshuggahfan 9 months ago
@meshuggahfan im a 22 year old norwegian male. why would i apologize ? i see no reason... you probably believe everything you see on the internet. it is impossible to make precision metal parts with a screwdriver and you know that. yes i have had my home invaded, burgulars broken through of living room window while we were sleeping. but we have a german shepherd\rottweiler mix dog which scared them away. if we had guns, and the burgulars had gun it would be a totally different story.
catbearlol 9 months ago
@meshuggahfan and yes i watched the entire video, nowhere do they show how they make the parts from scratch. i see a lot of "scavenged" items being reused and re purposed. the only thing impressive about that video is that their government lets them keep doing it without interfering. this would never work in a country with proper leadership. the authorities would stop you.
catbearlol 9 months ago
@MaisonHorne a robber wont have to kill the clerk of a liqour store cuz he isnt afraid of him hiding a sawnoff shotgun under the counter, neither is any of the other customers there. yes most murders are committed by unregistrered weapons, but all those gun were sold legally at one point. and fact is that those guns woulndt be there if u would had restrictions. and wtf is with the car arguement, u gotta be plain stupid. cars are a necesity. guns arent.
catbearlol 1 year ago
@catbearlol /watch?v=rysWX_WW89Y do you think that guy was afraid that the clerk had a "sawnoff shotgun" under the counter? No. He is just a cold hearted killed. And do you really think he bought his gun from a gun store? I highly doubt it. It is probably some black market piece of crap with it's serial number scratched off. More strict gun control would have no affect on how that man, or anyone like him, obtains their firearms.
nicksamokyszyn 9 months ago
@nicksamokyszyn you truly are stupid.... illegal firearms are stolen\lost\sold registered firearms just like the ones ur daddy has. decreasing the amount of firearms will decrease the amount of people who sell\lose them.
catbearlol 9 months ago
@catbearlol My dad's guns... Who said anything about my dad's guns? And decreasing the amount of firearms you can legally buy will in theory decrees the number of lost/stolen and then sold guns, it will also decrees the number of guns honest citizens (like myself) can buy and then defend themselves and others. I ran out of characters in the last comment but I was going to say that if I was in that store and armed, I would have shot the robber before he had a chance to fire off another round.
nicksamokyszyn 9 months ago
@MaisonHorne at least its a start
artiejump 1 year ago
@MaisonHorne i can see your point, tho 600 years ago people had knifes, clubs, hammers axes n shit, the "inocent" or the folk didnt have guns, but still in only a single battle, 26 000 people died, from both sides, imagine in a war... sorry, i can see your point, but still... invalid point
matosdiogo12 10 months ago
@MaisonHorne and cheese because of cholesterol related illness.
radahad000 9 months ago
@MaisonHorne amen brother, gun laws only work for people who follow the law and we know criminals dont do it so its pointless to ban guns.
Pcordero87 9 months ago
@kLB92651 and from wich planet did you come from??
This is a hoax man.Just look at the crime rates in the UK after the gun ban.
robin6512 1 year ago
@kLB92651 the police are there to protect civil order. not you, your family or your property. get real :-)
lookingforthemeaning 1 year ago
@lookingforthemeaning bloody hell wouldnt like ro live in ur country........the police here protect my family....
06ThatsME 10 months ago
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gungeekgary 1 year ago
@kLB92651 why you soccermoms want to take away guns?, cause you caught your kid with a squirt gun?
ghezzinator9000 11 months ago
@kLB92651
Really? Are you saying the police can get in my house within 30 seconds of me calling them if someone breaks in my house in an attempt to murder me?
You're retarded.
AGeekWithAShotgun 10 months ago
@kLB92651 From my COLD DEAD HANDS!
TheMedievalMan 9 months ago
@kLB92651 YEAH SURE COME AND SAY THAT IN MEXICO WEY.. WE HAVE VERY STRICT GUN CONTROL LAWS AND THE RESULT? ROBBERS CAN GET INTO YOUR HOUSE AND STEAL EVERYTHING IN FRONT OF YOUR EYES, MURDER RATES ARE SKYHIGH AND POLICE WELL THE USUALLY ARRIVE 40 MINUTES LATE SUCKER
Pcordero87 9 months ago
@Pcordero87 That is because your police force ARE the robbers most of the time.
evildeathmonkey1 6 months ago
@evildeathmonkey1 thats not 100% correct, they rob from time to time, police is very corrupt, but they dont do the job themselves they let criminals rob to recieve bribes. thats why people need guns, gun control works only for the law abbiding citizen not for the criminals or the corrupts
Pcordero87 6 months ago
the recoil looks like a bitch
kLB92651 1 year ago
they are shooting on what looks to be a soccer field damn thats what i call multi purpose
joerod12 1 year ago
Claw scope mount is awesome!
krasnenkov 1 year ago
He tooted at 0:13!!!
TMsniper 1 year ago
how well does that sight stay zeroed? any affect from recoil? i was thinking of getting a g3 just that the 308 is such a great round and the g3 is affordable....
dills2403 1 year ago
every free citizen should own a gun??? - well, the US is a VERY good example for that... hrhrhrhr
MacMarshall84 1 year ago
@MacMarshall84 not very, only the cool americans own guns, the rest are just wimps
lexmark136 1 year ago
the soud just kicked my ears
DistortedPerception1 1 year ago
ja stimmt aber der zielt viel zu lang!!
sturmgewehre sind was anderes als ne sniper!
TheKonsti666 1 year ago
die g3 wird heute in der türkei als übungs waffe benutzt ...
hall066 1 year ago
man das isn sturmgewehr warum zielt der noob!!
TheKonsti666 1 year ago
so wie du es sagts is es ned richtig.
es müsste heißen warum zielt der so lange...
watzman123321123321 1 year ago
get a haircunt
fumofunghi 2 years ago
in der zeit wär der schon 20 mal gestorben
xbox360zocker 2 years ago
hi nick, i got an old german hunting wappon a mauser 7,62x51 and also a new steyr .308 i can schoon both kalibers with both wappons, what nato people doing i dont know but the german armee isnt using .308 ONLY 7,62x51, sorry they did coz they changed theyr standardwappon G3 to G36, G36 is a 5, anything kaliber
fraujim 2 years ago
@Korruptor
thanx for the info!
well i´ve learned it as i said.308 civilian version...but naturally it could be wrong ;-)
tk175 2 years ago
.308 is the civil version of the the 7.62 military ammo. same caliber but the .308 has less power.
tk175 2 years ago
@tk175 Go check your SAAMI specs for 7.62 vs. .308 again. 7.62 has a slightly longer datum line, and is underpressured compared to the .308 at only 54k psi, where as the .308 is set for pressures up to 64k psi. BTW, pressure is that motive force behind the bullet. Its possible to put 7.62 ammo in a .308 receiver and barrel, but dangerous to put .308 ammo in a 7.62 receiver and barrel. It might blow up on you.
Korruptor 2 years ago
Is the G3 .308 or 7.62
CordedNX3 2 years ago
.308 is 7.62
alexman18 2 years ago
@CordedNX3 .308 cal
Gaz405th 2 years ago
The G3 is 7.62, the HK41 (semi-auto) is .308
AGS363 2 years ago
uhhh they both shoot 7.62 NATO (7.62 x 51)... which has the same specs as .308 Win (7.62 x 51).. 7.62 NATO just has some minor cartridge differences.. They are safely interchangeable
DeathMullet13 2 years ago
lol...shooting on a football yard...hehe
Mophonic 2 years ago
awesome rifle
VpR81 2 years ago
this people are in Swiss???
lovingmyglock21 2 years ago
my fav gun
MegaUgy 2 years ago
OOOOOOOOO.............a gdzie to Janku było strzelane??? Ja też chce....!!! Biore Mausera i walimy!!!
thorpkw5 2 years ago
Is this a HK91 with sg1 buttstock?Nice gun.
hanskaltwasser 2 years ago
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patsfanczar 2 years ago
H&K G3 Rox!!
RoyZeed 2 years ago 3
Nice shooting. :)
bubblefish17 2 years ago
Are these fellows Czech? Also it certainly seems that their gun laws are in favor of the owner.
molanlabexm15 2 years ago
Polish, nor Czech :)
Ładniutkie strzelanko, G3 rulez!
KeksMan55 2 years ago
Are the gun laws really bad in Poland or are they great like in America for example?
molanlabexm15 2 years ago
Well, I'm not sure exactly about the difference about guns because I'm not into getting one myself(yet) but I as far as I know, there are more people in America who own guns, and in Poland we are mostly getting them to defend ourself so small handguns, I don't know about bigger one's.
KeksMan55 2 years ago
Well i think every free citizen of the world should own a gun.
molanlabexm15 2 years ago 32
Well spoken mate. The first thing, a government does when it wants to supress it's citizens, is to ban guns!
VpR81 2 years ago
Well, we would have a LOT of dead citizens one week after every single person would have a gun...
NKA23 1 year ago
@NKA23 No.But that's the beauty part of it, because criminals would still not be able to get a firearm legally anyways, it would put responsibility in the hands of the citizenry to make their community's a law abiding place of tolerance (not acceptance) and peace.I glad you see the truth in my statement.I am assuming you were going to finish your statement with: ."...because they would be a tyrannical political party with absolute control of firearms."In that case, yes.The freest people own guns
molanlabexm15 1 year ago
Well, most countries of the EU have very strict gun laws, of course many criminals don´t give a shit ´bout that and have guns, still we have less crime, less murders...how do you explain that?
NKA23 1 year ago
@NKA23 Well Europeans are subject's of their government,whereas we here in in America are citizens or our republic of the United States. As such we are do not to let misanthropes of society dictate what our liberty's are or how we conduct ourselves in our exercise of the pursuit of happiness. Your assertion the murder rate to gun ownership ratio here in America is concurrent to one another is false, and any statistic to the contrary is is indicative of a state or city with high gun control.
molanlabexm15 1 year ago