Great job brothers. Most of these false-teachers and prophets are on T.B.N. and God t.v. ect....most of what's is called "Christian" in America is bogus! God bless ya'll.
These men seem very genuine and humble, I've seen a couple people on youtube speaking real sound doctrine saying the same things they have but I don't know, it's just something about these people that makes you want to really listen.
Thank you gentlemen, what a concise, Bible based analysis of the truth of the Gospel of Christ, and an exposee of the watering down of our faith. We live in perilous times but God is faithful even when we are not. God bless.
THANK GOD FOR BROTHERS WHO KNOW HOW TO EXEGIT THE WORD OF GOD!
You are answers to prayer. There are others who support you and are praying for you as well. "Judgment must come first to the house of God"... keep helping the house of God!
I would also like to add that I think you both do an admirable job of contending. It's truly rare to encounter such level-headed, thorough and sensationalism-free debate on such a forum as YouTube. You're never insulting, yet firm in your stance, and you speak well. I like listening to you even though I don't always share your beliefs. Were you to behave otherwise, I probably wouldn't have watched 5 or 6 of your videos by now. Keep up the good (and clean) fight.
I was raised atheist, and railed against Christians, particularly, for years. If I am now listening to what Christ said with a more open mind, and not in the interest of feeding the cannon of debate, but rather to glean what good I might from his words, it is only because of men like TD Jakes, who DO punt, as you say, so as not to chase off those of my ilk. Is there not, then, some good in that facet of his ministry, in its having led me to listen to the stricter interpretation that you espouse?
@LePetitChatVert Christ led you, not TD Jakes. Jakes is no God. Every false teacher speaks SOME truth, but as scripture says, do not put your trust in man.
A-men! Praise God! good job gentlemen for doing your own homework to seek the real Truth! and most of all doing it in a loving manner without putting down TD Jakes. I pray that God may continue to bless you guys and your families as well for both of you for more wisdom to know when its Gods work at hand! I really hope you gentlemen continue to share the misleading. I look forward to seeing more videos. We christians have to stick together " iron sharpens iron!" once again, thanks!
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you."
I think the point is clearly that we not judge someone's condemnation. If I were him I would not have made the quote but we can judge with righteousness but with the exception of condemnation and salvation. We as human just don't know. Otherwise I understand the point you're making and I KNOW that there is only ONE way - Jesus.
What foolishness am I hearing from these two? Jesus was very careful with his words and he was very careful not to mess with the Jealousy of Jehovah, God his Father. Even though he was a hybrid of creative word and human genes, he makes it very clear in St John 17 vrs 3 that his Father is the ONLY true God. Not everyone can have Jesus as God. Jehovah God in his mercy allows this in Isaiah 9. Jesus sets the Jews and non-Trinitarians free. St John 20 vrs 17 his God is our God. Good news indeed.
I've listened to your videos and believe you have done a disservice. You've implied a lot of things that Bishop Jakes didn't say, to the point of distorting what he did say. His point is simply that God judges who goes to heaven and hell. He (TDJ) is not the one who judges that; I emphatically agree! We would be better served if you preach the gospel like God gives it to you and let Bishop do it like God gives it to him. The Holy Spirit will clarify truth to individual hearts beyond that point.
The interpretation of John 10:16 can have and does have a multitude of meanings. People need to stop believing in everything man interprets & find understanding for themselves. We are all equipped to read & understand for ourselves. YOU can be led off a cliff by someone who doesn't have a clue, but because he's spiritually prideful, he don't want to admit he don't know. Guess what! We don't know it all because we're human & we need to stop acting like we do. The only 1 who knows it all is God.
And back to Jesus' own words, "My teaching is not my own. It comes from Him who sent me". I tell you, you cannot accept certain parts of the Bible and ignore others because you don't like it and it doesn't fit into your limited understanding. Stop separating yourselves from the rest of us, we are one spirit. Instead of focusing your efforts on trying to prove you are right, try applying those teachings on actually loving everyone regardless of what religious title you slap on yourself.
Jesus never said he was God because he wasn't. Jesus did say that he was sent from God. It's more than just reading the Bible, but it's also about understanding it, comprehending it, studying it, meditating on it... Focus not what he said he is not, but on what Jesus said he is.
John 7: 16-17. 16 Jesus answered, "My teaching is not my own. It comes from Him who sent me. 17 If anyone chooses? to do God's will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own."Jesus was obedient to God. We're to honor Jesus because God has sent him as His messenger.
Jesus was obedient to God. We're to honor Jesus because God has sent him as His messenger. Christians have difficulty in understanding the separation and unity of Jesus & God. Jesus is a mirror, he works simultaneously w/ God to fulfill His Will. Jesus is a mere reflection, but not a perfect image of the Actual. God is in Jesus yet God is in us ALL. We all are one w/ God. We're the individualized expression of God. Jesus is an example of reaching the highest level? of enlightenment for a human.
There is more evidence in this because Christians like to focus on false prophets yet ignore the fact that there are going to be Prophets sent from God who will carry the light of truth. 1 John 4:1-6 talks about testing the spirits. Yes, there are some who are false, but there are those who are true and if all were false, then why test at all??? "Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God" Prophet Muhammad and Prophet Baha'u'llah both acknowledge this.
T.D. Jakes didn't want to say nothing to mess up his money. I dare any televangelist to speak out against sin. It will never happen. They believe that we all are sinners which is totally against 1 John 3:9.
Sure Muslims and homosexuals and everyone else do have the chance to go to heaven. If they repent and accept Jesus as Lord and Savior they can go to heaven but if they do not they can not and thats the truth!
Thank-you so much for speaking the truth in love and not backing away from the "hard questions". Keep on doing what you're doing and may the Lord continue to bless you with insight into God's Word.
Thanks for this information. I was not sure about Jakes, but now I can see that he has some bad doctorings. Its sometimes confusing when you hear him preaching pretty Biblical message and not knowing his whole doctorings.
What your doing is just plain truth being spoken of. I have watched you a while and have seen you really just speak as to bring the word of Jesus Christ to all. Sorry Mr, Jakes or who ever, these two fellows should be held up for thier find work. With this said.
May the Power of the Almight Jesus Christ Walk with you in the Future and hold a Candle Light to your path and no one remove that light from your path. It will be far better he be a Zipo lighter in a house fire than to touch it.
J34 Contenders has a mission to produce doubt in the new believer. Several new believers rely on the encouraging and empowering teachings of the Lords apostles, so..when they are searching You Tube videos for encouraging message, they may just stumble across the videos of J34 Contenders. Now, if they are new to the kingdom, they may be easily tricked by the videos that J34 produces. If they are tricked, they will stop listening to these great apostles. New believers don't be tricked! Luke 6:1-11
Dear brothers, correct me if im wrong but it seems that you believe that christ is GOD but that seems contrary to what is coming from the scriptures allow me to show proof please read over these vrs. luke 14/7, jn 5/26, 1jn5/7 , acts7/55,56, 1cor.15/23-28, col. 3/1, rom 8/34[ HEB. 1/1-14] please respond ASAP
Gentlemen thank you for your insight, you know the word, God blesses you for that, and exposing the false prophets all around us, attempting to dilute the word of God, my applause to you, next time lets not have the obscure all seeing eye in between the commentators.
John 3: 3. Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
If people don't accept Christ as their personal savior there is no other way, so people who are Muslim need to know that Allah isn't going to take them to the promise land.
brothers, THANK YOU...for defending the gospel of our lord. Which we are called to do!
I love the orderly, loving, clear way the message is brought forth. Thank you, for we truly are known by the fruits we bear. But another responsibility we have is to protect the body of believers. one thing i question that i wish i would have heard here was that for MANY reasons..he is in fact a FALSE TEACHER..."an angel of light" within the church. And to instruct the body to disassociate themselves?
jesus is not god. god doesnt pray to himself
tribalwarrior88 3 weeks ago
Great job brothers. Most of these false-teachers and prophets are on T.B.N. and God t.v. ect....most of what's is called "Christian" in America is bogus! God bless ya'll.
brandonjames1983 6 months ago
solid teaching, amen brothers
lunabranwen 7 months ago
These men seem very genuine and humble, I've seen a couple people on youtube speaking real sound doctrine saying the same things they have but I don't know, it's just something about these people that makes you want to really listen.
Shadowlooker12 7 months ago
Amen thank you for spreading the truth we must expose those teaching false doctorine
laysea65 7 months ago
Thank you gentlemen, what a concise, Bible based analysis of the truth of the Gospel of Christ, and an exposee of the watering down of our faith. We live in perilous times but God is faithful even when we are not. God bless.
fastidiot 11 months ago
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vrober1 1 year ago
THANK GOD FOR BROTHERS WHO KNOW HOW TO EXEGIT THE WORD OF GOD!
You are answers to prayer. There are others who support you and are praying for you as well. "Judgment must come first to the house of God"... keep helping the house of God!
vrober1 1 year ago
Other Sheep not of this fold were referring to the Gentiles who Peter and Barnabas were ordain to take the Gospel.
christowned 1 year ago
Great work a very sergical use of scripture which is needed in this world
God bless
WEATHER44 1 year ago
Amen! Amen! Amen! Very insightful and well done!
EPESDART 1 year ago
I would also like to add that I think you both do an admirable job of contending. It's truly rare to encounter such level-headed, thorough and sensationalism-free debate on such a forum as YouTube. You're never insulting, yet firm in your stance, and you speak well. I like listening to you even though I don't always share your beliefs. Were you to behave otherwise, I probably wouldn't have watched 5 or 6 of your videos by now. Keep up the good (and clean) fight.
LePetitChatVert 1 year ago
I was raised atheist, and railed against Christians, particularly, for years. If I am now listening to what Christ said with a more open mind, and not in the interest of feeding the cannon of debate, but rather to glean what good I might from his words, it is only because of men like TD Jakes, who DO punt, as you say, so as not to chase off those of my ilk. Is there not, then, some good in that facet of his ministry, in its having led me to listen to the stricter interpretation that you espouse?
LePetitChatVert 1 year ago
@LePetitChatVert Christ led you, not TD Jakes. Jakes is no God. Every false teacher speaks SOME truth, but as scripture says, do not put your trust in man.
JCojocaru 1 year ago
A-men! Praise God! good job gentlemen for doing your own homework to seek the real Truth! and most of all doing it in a loving manner without putting down TD Jakes. I pray that God may continue to bless you guys and your families as well for both of you for more wisdom to know when its Gods work at hand! I really hope you gentlemen continue to share the misleading. I look forward to seeing more videos. We christians have to stick together " iron sharpens iron!" once again, thanks!
01doughboy 1 year ago
Matthew 7:1
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you."
I think the point is clearly that we not judge someone's condemnation. If I were him I would not have made the quote but we can judge with righteousness but with the exception of condemnation and salvation. We as human just don't know. Otherwise I understand the point you're making and I KNOW that there is only ONE way - Jesus.
anamneses28 1 year ago
What foolishness am I hearing from these two? Jesus was very careful with his words and he was very careful not to mess with the Jealousy of Jehovah, God his Father. Even though he was a hybrid of creative word and human genes, he makes it very clear in St John 17 vrs 3 that his Father is the ONLY true God. Not everyone can have Jesus as God. Jehovah God in his mercy allows this in Isaiah 9. Jesus sets the Jews and non-Trinitarians free. St John 20 vrs 17 his God is our God. Good news indeed.
danirichardsonfwhj 1 year ago
I've listened to your videos and believe you have done a disservice. You've implied a lot of things that Bishop Jakes didn't say, to the point of distorting what he did say. His point is simply that God judges who goes to heaven and hell. He (TDJ) is not the one who judges that; I emphatically agree! We would be better served if you preach the gospel like God gives it to you and let Bishop do it like God gives it to him. The Holy Spirit will clarify truth to individual hearts beyond that point.
SDThornton 1 year ago
I see two arrogant men in this video.
meak911 1 year ago
The interpretation of John 10:16 can have and does have a multitude of meanings. People need to stop believing in everything man interprets & find understanding for themselves. We are all equipped to read & understand for ourselves. YOU can be led off a cliff by someone who doesn't have a clue, but because he's spiritually prideful, he don't want to admit he don't know. Guess what! We don't know it all because we're human & we need to stop acting like we do. The only 1 who knows it all is God.
kisstopiagroove 1 year ago
And back to Jesus' own words, "My teaching is not my own. It comes from Him who sent me". I tell you, you cannot accept certain parts of the Bible and ignore others because you don't like it and it doesn't fit into your limited understanding. Stop separating yourselves from the rest of us, we are one spirit. Instead of focusing your efforts on trying to prove you are right, try applying those teachings on actually loving everyone regardless of what religious title you slap on yourself.
kisstopiagroove 1 year ago
Jesus never said he was God because he wasn't. Jesus did say that he was sent from God. It's more than just reading the Bible, but it's also about understanding it, comprehending it, studying it, meditating on it... Focus not what he said he is not, but on what Jesus said he is.
kisstopiagroove 1 year ago
John 7: 16-17. 16 Jesus answered, "My teaching is not my own. It comes from Him who sent me. 17 If anyone chooses? to do God's will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own."Jesus was obedient to God. We're to honor Jesus because God has sent him as His messenger.
kisstopiagroove 1 year ago
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kisstopiagroove 1 year ago
Jesus was obedient to God. We're to honor Jesus because God has sent him as His messenger. Christians have difficulty in understanding the separation and unity of Jesus & God. Jesus is a mirror, he works simultaneously w/ God to fulfill His Will. Jesus is a mere reflection, but not a perfect image of the Actual. God is in Jesus yet God is in us ALL. We all are one w/ God. We're the individualized expression of God. Jesus is an example of reaching the highest level? of enlightenment for a human.
kisstopiagroove 1 year ago
There is more evidence in this because Christians like to focus on false prophets yet ignore the fact that there are going to be Prophets sent from God who will carry the light of truth. 1 John 4:1-6 talks about testing the spirits. Yes, there are some who are false, but there are those who are true and if all were false, then why test at all??? "Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God" Prophet Muhammad and Prophet Baha'u'llah both acknowledge this.
kisstopiagroove 1 year ago
T.D. Jakes didn't want to say nothing to mess up his money. I dare any televangelist to speak out against sin. It will never happen. They believe that we all are sinners which is totally against 1 John 3:9.
lildog73 1 year ago
Sure Muslims and homosexuals and everyone else do have the chance to go to heaven. If they repent and accept Jesus as Lord and Savior they can go to heaven but if they do not they can not and thats the truth!
rebornonfire4God 1 year ago
Thanks . you guys are great watchdogs for the Kingdom of Jesus Christ.
whitenigerian 1 year ago
Thank-you so much for speaking the truth in love and not backing away from the "hard questions". Keep on doing what you're doing and may the Lord continue to bless you with insight into God's Word.
justthefactspeople 1 year ago
Thanks for this information. I was not sure about Jakes, but now I can see that he has some bad doctorings. Its sometimes confusing when you hear him preaching pretty Biblical message and not knowing his whole doctorings.
jpkfox 1 year ago
What your doing is just plain truth being spoken of. I have watched you a while and have seen you really just speak as to bring the word of Jesus Christ to all. Sorry Mr, Jakes or who ever, these two fellows should be held up for thier find work. With this said.
May the Power of the Almight Jesus Christ Walk with you in the Future and hold a Candle Light to your path and no one remove that light from your path. It will be far better he be a Zipo lighter in a house fire than to touch it.
turtle4aire 2 years ago
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J34 Contenders has a mission to produce doubt in the new believer. Several new believers rely on the encouraging and empowering teachings of the Lords apostles, so..when they are searching You Tube videos for encouraging message, they may just stumble across the videos of J34 Contenders. Now, if they are new to the kingdom, they may be easily tricked by the videos that J34 produces. If they are tricked, they will stop listening to these great apostles. New believers don't be tricked! Luke 6:1-11
MyDevryck 2 years ago
Dear brothers, correct me if im wrong but it seems that you believe that christ is GOD but that seems contrary to what is coming from the scriptures allow me to show proof please read over these vrs. luke 14/7, jn 5/26, 1jn5/7 , acts7/55,56, 1cor.15/23-28, col. 3/1, rom 8/34[ HEB. 1/1-14] please respond ASAP
kidben58 2 years ago
(1 Tim 3:16 KJV) "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh,
(1 John 3:16 KJV) "Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren."
ronhanish 2 years ago
Gentlemen thank you for your insight, you know the word, God blesses you for that, and exposing the false prophets all around us, attempting to dilute the word of God, my applause to you, next time lets not have the obscure all seeing eye in between the commentators.
titerymington 2 years ago
John 3: 3. Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
If people don't accept Christ as their personal savior there is no other way, so people who are Muslim need to know that Allah isn't going to take them to the promise land.
ucanchangetheworld 2 years ago 7
creflo dollar,eddie long,t.d jakes,al sharpton, charles blakes.BEWARE OF THESE MEN
27ade 2 years ago
Jakes is a fraud. Modalism is heresy
joseph82069 2 years ago
Are you in the Los Angeles area?
J34Contenders 2 years ago
Good stuff
joseph82069 2 years ago
No thank you! God Bless
J34Contenders 2 years ago
Please brother do not stop making these vids! I enjoyed the word and learned more then i knew before. And for that i want to say thank you.
holyfreeholy 2 years ago 2
We thank God for people like you who are seeking and studying God's word in context!
J34Contenders 2 years ago
brothers, THANK YOU...for defending the gospel of our lord. Which we are called to do!
I love the orderly, loving, clear way the message is brought forth. Thank you, for we truly are known by the fruits we bear. But another responsibility we have is to protect the body of believers. one thing i question that i wish i would have heard here was that for MANY reasons..he is in fact a FALSE TEACHER..."an angel of light" within the church. And to instruct the body to disassociate themselves?
lumbeeelady 2 years ago