lol us brits should be 1st in the world we had more met than the americans by nearly x2 even though our group of countrys is about x10 smaller than america
Army is useles thesedays because all is based on hi-tech weapons, cyber war, synthesizing viruses and so on.... That being said... UK leads and rules ova the wole Europe yet. Fact.
Ora vorrei che mi spiegaste perchè per secondi i FRANCESI? quali tecnologie e di quali forze sono in possesso per esser ritenuti così forti? Ritengo anche io che la prima posizione debba esser data alle forze armate inglesi, le SAS sono formidabili!.
@DaSlayerSk io trovo molto divertente la gelosia delgi italiani verso i francesi. Sul serio, avete un problema con la storia ? Chi vi ha aiutato contro l'Austria in 1796 ? Francia ! in 1859 ? Francia ! contra la Germania in 1944 ? Gli Alleati tra cui 200 000 francesi. Sempre i vostri cugini d'oltre alpi vengono ad aiutarvi.
@DaSlayerSk Bilancio del esercito francese : 65 000 000 000 $ quello del esercito inglese 59 600 000 000 Germania 45 200 000 000 Italia 35 000 000 000. La francia ha la bomba H, un portaerei nucleare, la seconda flotta del mondo, costruisce e usa il cacciatore Rafale che è molto meglio dal Typhoon, hanno come troppe di elita le troppe di Marina, la legione straniera... Costuisce e usa missili come MILAN, ERYX, MICA, MAGIC, EXOCET, SCALP, che vanno comprati in tutto il mondo.
@DaSlayerSk I find Italian jalousy towards the French very funny. Just open a history book. The French freed Italy from Austria in 1796, then in 1859. In 1944 200 000 French where among the allies liberating Italy.
@DaSlayerSk French army credits : 65 bil $, British army 59 bil $ German army 45 bil $ Italian army 35 bil $. France has H Bomb, a nuclear propelled aircaft carrier, one of two blue water navies in the world, it builds and use Rafale which is much better than Eurofighter Typhoon (cf Swiss and Indian evaluation), they have the French Marines and Foreign Legions as elite troops, they build worldwide uses missiles such as MILAN, ERYX, MICA, MAGIC, EXOCET, SCALP...
@MadPenguinFr I agree with almost everything above mentioned, but in it of the Rafale better that the Typhoon, I take to you the passion Chauvinist, be thinking me about what I speak, about comparing a Rafale (good embarked plane) with the best plane of air superiority (with permission of the Raptor) it is since a ferrari compares with a lancia.
@VITOLLFOTOGRAFIA India, which is a country that cannot buy bad weapons, because they are at war with Pakistan and neighbours to China, has chosen to buy Rafale and not Eurofighter.
Furthermore, the evaluation of the Swiss Air Force between Rafale, Eurofighter and Gripen has been made public : it shows that EVEN in air superiority, Rafale is better than Eurofighter, although Eurofighter is a pure air to air fighter. That's sad but that's the way it is.
are you kiding germany is weak and really do anything in international conflicts (libya and afganistan fx.) and i must egmit i havent heard about italy should have done any specail military operations latly.
if we made it on the sheer latly military operation (libya) then the top contrys should be:
france (unknowen amout of bombs dropped)
britan (over 650+)
denmark (just about the same as britan)
if you look at the afganistan war its just about the same the contrys i said operats mostly in souht
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@macciavelli1998 almeno terza ? non essere pazzo ragazzino, le due potenze militare in Europa sono Francia e Inghilterra ! La Germania viene dopo e l'Italia è lontana, lontana... Quando l'esercito italiano ha avuto credibilità per l'ultima volta ? Impero romano, due milla anni fa...
Translation : Don't make a fool of yourself kid, the two european military powers of the time are France and England. Then comes Germany and far, far away Italy. The Roman Empire is long gone !
@MadPenguinFr I know that Italy's army is not powerful as UK or Germany or France, but it's admirable that even though the Italian state has debts we are in Afghanistan, we are there! italian army is doing its best to bring aid like: water, food, building houses, schools...we wield a shovel instead of a gun, sometimes you should lower your head.
I think we shouldn't think which is the best, it should be better if we think that together we can help people to gain their freedom, that's all.
@TheAirglow In Afghanistan the Italian army paid the Taliban NOT to fight them, in the region they were in charge. When the French took control of this region, the italians didn't tell them they had bribed the Talibans, so the French thought it was a peaceful region... the price to pay for this "mistake" was very expensive, 10 French soldiers were killed in an ambush. the italian government proved its cowardice.
@MadPenguinFr "A lot of Nato countries with troops operating in the rural areas of Afghanistan pay the insurgents so not to be attacked." that's what I found on BBC news, Italian government has never authorised or allowed any form of payment, I'm quite sure it's a sort of press fabrication, we are used to hear these kind of things.
@yasarparisFB Si, la prima guerra mondiale? La guerra nell'800 contro l'Austria? Quella contro i borboni? Quella di Libia? Quella d'Etopia? Devo continuare?
@Vorrutyer Si, per non parlare della prima guerra mondiale, delle ben 3 gurre di indipendenza in cui abbiamo sconfitto: Borboni, Austriaci, Papisti e abbiamo fragato pure i francesi. (mi ero dimenticato delle guerre di Libia e di Rodi).
@macciavelli1998 Vi hanno aiutato i francesi durante la guerra d'independenza... cretino. The French have helped you during the war of independance, moron.
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I disagree about Italy, do not depend on anyone for our production of armaments, and now we have the largest fleet of Europe, and heavy updates of the entire army, marine and aviation, not counting our raiders, among the best special forces in the world
I disagree about Italy, do not depend on anyone for our production of armaments, and now we have the largest fleet of Europe, and heavy updates of the entire army, marine and aviation, not counting our raiders, among the best special forces in the world
i think its not ok if europeans do top 5 minitaries of europe because everyone want that his country is the best i think amerikans, chinese, or russians should do such a top 5/ top 10.
maybe true, but they have not been tested in full combat roles recently, or have they? have they done any tri service offence roles in the last five years?
@Holyhellaflyingturd wow kid, shut the fuck up. immigrants don't come from poland are you retarded..most of em comes from arabic countries and asian countries like japan and china...fucking rettarded...just to let you know you are uneducated if you didnt know poland had an army. pitty you kid your a shame to your country.
@Holyhellaflyingturd actually, i said retarded the first time, the second time i accidently typed the R two times..so stop trying to act smart because your previous comment proved the opposite, you're stupid
@Holyhellaflyingturd why are u such an idiot?! Poland has a good army and germany too!Why u say i only say that cause im from germany?dont understand it...and what the fuck haha immigrants? i see u have no clue about that so shut the fuck up!
@Holyhellaflyingturd you have nothing against polish people?why u said poland is a shithole?ok polish people immigrated in hole europe thats true but where is there the connection to the polish army?whats your point?
@Holyhellaflyingturd they have good equipment and GROM is one of the best specialforces in the world!the technologie is comparable with the rest of the militaries in europe!And polish soldiers are trained very good!
@Szymusz don't listning to him..the country with the most pakis immigrants is england...that pile of shit is just wrong and uneducated...i'm canadian and i think he is a shame to his country..
@Holyhellaflyingturd mass of pakis= england..whos wrong now? don't trash me because i accidently typed two letters on a word i correctly wrote the first time..fucking RETARDED kid..you are uneducated..you didnt even know that poland had an army fucking stupid ass..they are the one that held over 40,000 nazis with less than 300 soldiers for more than 3 days in ww2..but i know you never heard of that since you are uneducated
@Holyhellaflyingturd and how do you know that poland have shit training? their training is comparable with canada,usa, england etc..kid you are so stupid...i'm sure that polish infantry is ranked i top 15 atleast..and what does shit country have to do with money?your logic is not THAT logic lmao
@Holyhellaflyingturd england= mass of imigrants with pakis and polish..so you are saying your own country is shit? i've seen americans more intelligent that you and that's bad.
@Holyhellaflyingturd can you understand the basic of what i'm saying atleast?i said there is alot of immigrants in england..alot of people from pakistan and poland...i thought you said a country with a shitload of immigrants=shit country,anyways..if you, me or the americans is to get invade,i'm afraid we are all going to help,since these days, invading big countries like us,canada,england,france etc will probally cause a big war.then all the nato is going to help,
@Holyhellaflyingturd so the ''heroes'' aint gonna be you or the americans...when you'll need help maybe you'll stop hating on every country and start respecting them.fucking moron
@Holyhellaflyingturd nobody wants the help from usa and uk they coerce the help to the other countries and then they prey the countries in that they invaded!
Last, any european country, austria, norway or switzerland included, can wipe off in days any possible enemy we may have around. Who's going to attack Europe? some arabs? turkey? a north-african? Let's stop going around the world supporting USA imperialism getting nothing back & we'll have no enemies if not the real enemy we have & of which we should take care: illegal immigration, for this, a very small force of frigates & aircrafts is needed & the will to fire on them as we should
population is meaningless, each european country, even the smallest, largely exceeds whatever needed for modern warfare, no WWI or even WWII to fight on corpses, it's about technical, in this, nederlands for instance, could be superior to spain.
Size of economy & industry: Germany has got double than UK, Italy is 2nd industrial power of EU.
For strategic location italy is the only one good.
France, Italy & spain were pure shit in any war of recent times.
You are wrong if you basing this on the numbers of soldiers!
Look what happend ww2 in Greece:
Italians &Greeks
53000 soldiers - 290000 soldiers
463 aircraft - 77 aircrafts
160 tanks - 0 tanks
But still the Greeks won and then forsed hitler to send the luftwaffe and special forces to Greece. But when they arrived greek numbers where down to like 180000 soldiers and no aircrafts! but still they didn't surrender!
They won against Italy but lost the attack from the combined arms of Italy,Ger,Bul,Alb
No offense but if you look at domestic arms production the last 60 years and world arms sales per capita you get a first hand view of how far the military technology has reach in Europe. I say the list should be.. based on those facts 1. UK 2. France. 3.Germany. 4 Sweden. 5. Italy. ( Sweden is one of few military tecnological superpowers of the world ) and the NBG forces of scandinavia ) gives Northern Europe a fine protection against most threats.
Off the top of my head I assume the winner: 1. Quality Of Equipment - Germany 2. Number Of Troops/Ships/Vehicles - UK 3. Size of Economy (Ability to Re-produce equipment) - Germany 4. Population (Ability to replace lost troops) - Germany 5. Recent Military Experience - UK 6. Ability to Project Power - UK 7. Historical Military Performance - UK 8. Strategic Location in Europe - UK 9. Number & Quality of Allies - All NATO + UK Commonwalth so UK 10. Ability to produce equipment yourself - Germany
@AdhocHoopla I'm afraid some of your evaluations are outdated. 1. Quality of equipment : Germany certainly has the best armoured vehicles, but France has better planes, radar systems, missiles... though a lot of this equipment is shared with UK and Germany. 2.Number of troops : France : 240 000 - UK : 195 000 ; Navy : Fr : 146 ships+162 aircrafts - UK : 82 ships+200 aircrafts ; Air Force : Fr : 830 - UK : 900
@AdhocHoopla 5. France has had much more engagement on his own than the Brits since the end of WW2. During NATO operations in Libya, the French could engage much more planes and helicopters, and in a better way (Rafale went where Typhoon could not go, 20+ French attack helicopters did low altitude murderous raids that impressed NATO, while the Brits used their 2 Apaches from a high altitude, fighter plane-like, thus losing a lot of precision and effectiveness.
@AdhocHoopla . 6. Definitely not ! Uk has no proper aircraft carrier nor a modern navy jet, and has 60 less ships than France... 7. Due to 8. (better strategic location in Europe, indeed !) the Brits have taken part in less wars than the French. Do I need to copy here the BBC statement, giving the French army the best military record in Europe ?
@AdhocHoopla I agree with the other points. Please don't feel insulted, these are only statistics and numbers, and might change again in the future. The British army is still feared and respected world wide. Let's just hope british politicians will stop cutting your defence credits again and again ! Together UK and France can do amazing things. Cheers
6. May not be the case for now, but only while the old aircraft carriers are phased out. The UK still has 1 of only 2 Blue Water navies in the world which I believe gives the UK a better ability to project power.
Also please link your source for the size of the French Navy, I have it as 42 not 146.
@AdhocHoopla Blue Water Navies nowdays are US Navy and French Navy, and possibly Russian Navy. Royal Navy won't be a BWN until they have their new aircaft carrier(s).
Now a list of Combat ships per country (at least 100 tons) : fleet subs uk 5 fr 6, ballistic subs uk and fr 4, aircraft carrier uk 0 fr 1, assault and landing ships uk 7 fr 11 frigates and destroyers uk 19 fr 24, patrol boats uk 6 fr 21, mine warfare ships uk 15 fr 18, intelligence ships uk 0 fr 3.total : uk 56 fr 88
@AdhocHoopla@AdhocHoopla this list doesn't take into account auxilliary ships, such as replenishment oilers or cargo ships. They, however, wouldn't change the tendancy, nor would smaller patrol boats.
You can find these figures on the French Navy website : defense-gouv fr slash decouverte slash equipements-moyens-materiel-militaire and on Royal Navy website : royalnavy mod uk slash The-Fleet slash Ships
@sayhitodeath999 Well, they are really, we have such strong ties we both join eachother in wars. We're pretty much the same country but with different leaders.
@MrCastodian turkey are battle hardened? the zone that france protects in Afghan is a taliban strong zone because the french do so little.
Challenger 2- rifled gun which means it has greater accuracy and further range. Its armour is also the best in the world and is top secret. none have ever been destroyed except by another challenger.
86 eurofighter? where are you getting your info, britain ordered 160 the most of any country.
@Spark02ify That all comes down to Rafale vs Eurofighter and until a dogfight occurs we will never know. although we will never go to war as we have a military partnership.
A war between France and England/Britain, there will be no winner
Defence and Security Co-operation Treaty is an opportunity for both being more stronger
France is your best european allied and vis versa despite of our strong rivalry (England has been our mortal ennemy for centuries) we hate eachother but in reality we respect and admire you
@Spark02ify I agree we have had a troublesome past and many wars but im glad thats behind us and we have both benefited from us having this partnership, and lets hope this co-operation continues and maybe grows. There is already a joint anglo-french reaction force and i read that your rafale's could fly from our aircraft carriers.
@Spark02ify "A war between France and England / Britain, there Will Be No winner" Hypothetically, I think France would win such a war today, in 10 years they can not, but in the current situation, their airpower, combined with the fleet are too strong.
@MrCastodian Hypothetically i highly dout it, The royal navy and RAF are no push over, the royal navy is going through a massive overhaul, and the RAF has the most eurofightes of any country and the tornadois also a brilliant aircraft. The rapier system could defend our skys, the type 45 & remaining 42's could guard the channel. also we are the only other country other than the US to have cruise missiles but the main reason is the british spirit of never give up never surrender,
@MrCastodian Vietnam? that was the americans lol Well our past record includes the largest ever empire, winning ww1 and 2, destroying thr chinese andvance in the korean war at the battle of imjin river or something, aswell as the hundred year war ect Its all dowwn to the british spirit.
Your past record is that you LOST the biggest empire :)
You mean that France did not win WW2 and WW1 together with other allies?
Fought at a river that you do not even know the name of? Will it make that you are good at war today? By the way, in the battle of Imjin River the UK fought together with Korean, US, Belgian and Philippine troops, it was a UN unit!
France has an equally fine military history as UK, but has no meaning today.
@MrCastodian Well in england the french are known a surrender monkeys, because of their track record. We lost our empire fighting against the superpowers of the day including France, Spain and dutch aswell as zulu's, americans, pirates, chinese, indians etc etc. At the batte of imjin river the british were at a seperate part of the river, And its the spirit of the soldier, UK would never surrender against france, you on the other hand ant say that.
Shall I write all occasions England have given up?
France has won its victories in history, but it has nothing to do with today's war-making, you win no wars becuse your ancestors won a battle 300 years ago.
It is a ridiculous assumption to think that an English soldier has more heart or morals than French or other nations.
All countries have their battlefield where they gave up and where they have won.
@thethreelions3 Britain very much was a surrendering monkey in WW2, 130thousand brits surrendering to 36thousand japanese on bicycles same in Malaysia--USA and Canada saved britains sorry asses--North-American weaponry, food and military might won WW2-brits let the nazis grow, sacrified a few allies--ran to Duncerque--blundered in Arnhem--USA ,Canada liberated Europe, you brits lost it-after ww2 britain went bancrupt, lost its empire-USA and Canada prospered--UK is USA's lapdog
@hyurgy123 if your from america your hatred towards the UK is disguisting, we have served together many times, past is past, although what you say doesnt mention africa, normandy, italy, first to stop the japanese, siscily, batteling Uboats etc what you are is a knobhead.
@thethreelions3 we didn't serve together--we were your supreme commanders such as Eisenhower which is not of english origin--also did we save your sorry asses after you cowards refused to support even a putsch against madman hitler and his henchmen in your failed policy of appeasement in which you brits sacrfied Poland and Czechoslovakia--so much being allies wiht brits
@hyurgy123 That's just completely untrue. The British won the Battle of Britain and the Western Desert Campaign and, arguably, the Tunisia Campaign - the Americans never sufficiently engaged the Germans until early 1943 (Battle of the Kasserine Pass) - the British had been at war as the sole independent Power of Europe for more than 3 years, and had won two campaigns in the process. How the hell can you say they were 'surrender monkeys'? You ignorant man.
@CharlesDilkes in all the battles you just named you brits used american armor and had twice as many troops to be able to defeat the krauts--also american vessels and fighter-bomber planes.
@hyurgy123 well arn't you just the single stupidest man ever to grace gods good green earth, America as someone mentioned didn't get into the war until 43, after which they got beaten by the japanese at Guadacanal, and the rest of the Phillipines, they had to go back in just as we suffered in Burma and Singapore, if you didn't notice we had also been having several successful campaigns against Hitler as well and as Churchill said "we will never surrender" and we never did
@philipMcQuade you brits were sittin like ras on your desolate island waiting that big bother USA and Canada brought-food, weaponry and troops to england.
130thousand brits surrendered to 36thousand japanes on BICYCLES
5thousand canadians fought 50thousand japanese in Hong Kong and got called cowards by british command because they retreated after having run out of ammunition--hahalol
the brits already had retreated behind the Gin Line--let as usual the fighting to their allies
Of corse they are not,, but the fact is that the adversary is not "no pushover" either. "massive overhaul" Yes, in about 10 years UK will win.
Rapier is a bad system, and are too few (24), 35 years old, is not good enough.
RAF has most Eurofaighter? You have 86 pcs...not enough.
Tornado is a 40-year oldcaircraft, and in the current situation does not hold against armed enemies, 136 GR4, GR4A, GR4As to retire o living on borrowed time.
@MrCastodian Where is everyone getting the info on the RAF numbers? They dont reliese it, its not on their website. They ordered 184 tornados and sold 24 to saudi arabia leaving 160, its said they have too many, and the numbers are unknown. so 86? A war with france now would last longer than 10 years so is this saying we would win? Tornado is primarly for ground targets, the eurofighter is for air supperiority.
@MrCastodian 6 are planed and good is an understatement they are the most advanced destroyers thats why only 6 are needed plus 150billion pound put aside for next decade to add to them Vanguard and Astute are world beaters specially astute- which is the quietest sub ever and the americans were astonished by how capable it was. 100,000 well trained british troops is all tha is needed. Also wth th airfoce its more about the pilots training as proved during the battle of britain.
@thethreelions3 The topic was "Top 5 militaries In Europe" and not top 5 militaries In Europe in 10-15 years"
100 000 troops does not have a chanse, terribly childish contention, have no chance against the other European Army that have more troop o material
And pilot training in U.K. is not much better than the other NATO countries, their pilots are good enough, and they have equally good plan, and more planes
@MrCastodian No mattr what yo say Britai could win a war aginst any European country, We are the most well equipped, have the most Eurofighers of any country and if you want to talk logically whenever britai goes to war so does some very valuable allies being America and Australia. Also i dont see many facts on your side where is the aircraft number comparisons? and what 70 year war are you talkin about.
@thethreelions3 But show me the evidence, prove how good your 200 plan is against the others with 300-1500 combat aircraft, prove how your pilots are better.
And the Allies? Then it's a different issue, this topic was "Top 5 militaries In Europe" not "Top 5 militaries In the Europe and allies"
I responded to your coment of WW2, and you can not compare today's warfare o training with a 70 year old war.
What facts do you want, give you everything you desire, just write it down.
@MrCastodian Britain has 200 aircraft? where are you geing your info? the RAF dont release how many aicraft they have but ordered 184 eurofighters, have many harriers in storage and have well over 100 tornados we could cope with the russian airforce even in my opinion, its all about tactics.
136 Tornado GR4 (only attack)based in Marham; Lossiemouth and Coningsby
86 Typhoon based in Coningsby, Leuchars, Falkland Islands, BAE Warton
Thats all
And If you seriously think that your 126 Tornado to be able to bomb away the Russians, and your 86 Typhoon shall defend your air space you will live in the land of farytales
@thethreelions3 Ive checked and checked your wrong britain has 160 eurofighters. Russia has around 250 air supperiority fighters, the rest are for ground targets also the eurofighters are fitted with the best long range air missile, the meteor. The eurofighters would do more damage to the russian air force than visa versa, and when he new F35 comes here it would deffinatly be close for air superiority.
@MrCastodian Some of those figures seem embellished, but equally, a lot of that kit is very old. But it's a stupid argument.
But what I will say is that you'd be having to smoke to pretty strong stuff to maintain the view that Turkey, Germany surmounts Britain in martial ability; France is a different matter. You're knocking Britain for some reason and I don't know why...
"Maintain the view That Turkey surmounts Britain in martial ability"
Why? They have more of everything, just as modern aircraft, ships and tanks, also twice as much, so why is England superior to them?
"You're knocking Britain for some reason and I do not know why"
Why? i like UK, been there many times o has many friends there, only because I believe you should be placed lower on the list does not mean I'm talking shit about you or dislike you.
@MrCastodian No they don't - where are you getting this rubbish from? Their aircraft, for example, isn't on par with the Royal Air Force (their F-6C/D aren't as good as the Eurofighter), conversely, they have dated Leopard II A4 as their main battle tank: that isn't as good as the Challenger II.
It's absurd to suggest Turkey have a better equipped and better able military.
@MrCastodian But we don't Castodian, we have 160 - the rest are to be delivered over the next three years. I think you're splitting hairs.
Castodian, it's not about individual unit numbers: you're talking about the military in its entirety, in other words, saying 345 tanks Vs. over a thousand is facile, leaving aside the fact that those tanks are incredibly dated, especially the M60 and especially in the face of Tornado's.
@CharlesDilkes Please, if you seriously think that your Army can deal with NATO's second largest Army, you are a joke, confused o do not know what you are talking about.
Ridiculous to even talk to you.
It is one of the countries in the world you can not manage, one of the few in Europe that you do not handle.
By the way, Tornado's are "incredibly dated", as old like the Turks M60
@MrCastodian I think it's ridiculous to suggest Turkey has a superior armed force than Britain. You're kidding absolutely nobody.
You've completely missed the point when I cited the Tornado in relation to the M60 (ignoring the fact that they aren't as old as each other - the Tornado GR4 is a 90's upgrade, the Turkish M60's date from the late 70's early-mid 80's). They are incredibly dated. But I'm not comparing a fighter plane to a tank - why would I do that?
@CharlesDilkes Turkey probably does have a more powerful military than Britain. Of course, pound for pound, Britain is better than Turkey. But the Turks have a very large military, many times larger than Britain's. However, Britain can project more power than Turkey and has a more powerful navy than the Turks. But Turkey's ground force is very formidable while Britain's is significantly smaller and all around less capable.
@franknbeans4761 How is Britain's ground force 'less capable'? You're going to have a really hard time convincing anyone that the average Turkish division is better trained and better 'able' than their British equivalent. Turkey has a huge amount of armour with thousands of tanks, but their main battle tank is the dated Leopard 2A4, the rest of their armour is even more dated (Leopard 1 & M60). The Challenger II is better than all these tanks. CONT.
@CharlesDilkes Britain's ground force is significantly less capable. I already said Britain's ground force is better on a pound for pound scale, but as a whole, ground force to ground force, Britain is nowhere near Turkey's capabilities.
Of course you have to look at all terms but even then, Turkey still has more combat aircraft (of varying qualities) and more of many things. The only thing Britain has over Turkey is their navy but even then it is very limited.
@franknbeans4761 And when considering the very poor performance of the Typhoon in the Swiss fighter competition, I would say the British Air Force is yet again limited.
But still, the Turkish ground forces still outweigh any advantages Britain might have. 3,000+ tanks versus just under 400 tanks is no comparison.
@franknbeans4761 'Very poor performance'? What on earth are you talking about? The Eurofighter isn't a poor performing aircraft. It's easily better than anything the Turks have.
@CharlesDilkes As for the Eurofighter, you aren't up to date on things. Let me enlighten you. The Swiss had a fighter tender in which the Eurofighter was behind in many categories:
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I thought it was a much better plane, but apparently it has it's short comings. And even then, Turkey still has a large amount of Block 50 F-16's.
@franknbeans4761 Spare me the condescension please. The Eurofighter isn't a sub-par plane; and maybe YOU aren't up to date with things but that particular report was in the news recently because of a) suspected bungs from French officials and b) assurances from the French government that they could reduce the unit cost of Rafale (French subsidies to Dassault Aviation, from which they're a major shareholder. CONT.
@franknbeans4761 So that report is dubious at best. Conversely, the Eurofighter is a an air superiority aircraft in the RAF, it's complemented by the Tornado as a air-to-ground fighter, so the fact that the Rafale may perform better as a fighter is immaterial (assuming you ignore the blatant politics that went into that report). Proves commentators have never suggested there was a large disparity in performance. To try and suggest the EF is sub-par is nonsense.
@franknbeans4761 For the reasons I just gave below. That was a controversial decision, a very controversial decision in fact insofar as India is concerned. I don't the details of the Switzerland case, but I'd imagine they're looking for a multi-role plane - I repeat, the Eurofighter has a AS role, we still use Tornado's as our main AtoS fighter.
Lack luster performance? lol mate, stop trying to fob us off with this bull that the Eurofighter is some low performing piece of trash
@CharlesDilkes Never meant to say it is a low performing piece of trash. But if it isn't able to properly be a multi-role fighter, that limits the Royal Air Force's overall abilities due to their already lower numbers.
@franknbeans4761 Frank my friend, I don't think you know what you're talking about. The Eurofighter was never meant to be a multi-role plane in the RAF - it's sole purpose is AS. We'll leave it at that I think - going round in circles.
@franknbeans4761 To close the debate, Turkey airforce is mostly composed of american made aircrafts, it means in cas of war USA could not supply them with ammo, spares... and Turkay has less projection means than UK. Besides the 200 british nuclear warheads could be enought to destroy entirely Turkey's territory.
lol us brits should be 1st in the world we had more met than the americans by nearly x2 even though our group of countrys is about x10 smaller than america
boeing747ba 11 hours ago
What British?? Where is Russia??
MSdawidPL 19 hours ago
@MSdawidPL No Rusia in Europe!!
VITOLLFOTOGRAFIA 18 hours ago
What odds...they all fight for Europe.
millionaire1231 22 hours ago
Army is useles thesedays because all is based on hi-tech weapons, cyber war, synthesizing viruses and so on.... That being said... UK leads and rules ova the wole Europe yet. Fact.
ServerForFree 1 day ago
USA
MrGrandman99 1 day ago
Ora vorrei che mi spiegaste perchè per secondi i FRANCESI? quali tecnologie e di quali forze sono in possesso per esser ritenuti così forti? Ritengo anche io che la prima posizione debba esser data alle forze armate inglesi, le SAS sono formidabili!.
DaSlayerSk 1 day ago
@DaSlayerSk io trovo molto divertente la gelosia delgi italiani verso i francesi. Sul serio, avete un problema con la storia ? Chi vi ha aiutato contro l'Austria in 1796 ? Francia ! in 1859 ? Francia ! contra la Germania in 1944 ? Gli Alleati tra cui 200 000 francesi. Sempre i vostri cugini d'oltre alpi vengono ad aiutarvi.
MadPenguinFr 1 day ago
@DaSlayerSk Bilancio del esercito francese : 65 000 000 000 $ quello del esercito inglese 59 600 000 000 Germania 45 200 000 000 Italia 35 000 000 000. La francia ha la bomba H, un portaerei nucleare, la seconda flotta del mondo, costruisce e usa il cacciatore Rafale che è molto meglio dal Typhoon, hanno come troppe di elita le troppe di Marina, la legione straniera... Costuisce e usa missili come MILAN, ERYX, MICA, MAGIC, EXOCET, SCALP, che vanno comprati in tutto il mondo.
MadPenguinFr 1 day ago
@DaSlayerSk I find Italian jalousy towards the French very funny. Just open a history book. The French freed Italy from Austria in 1796, then in 1859. In 1944 200 000 French where among the allies liberating Italy.
MadPenguinFr 1 day ago
@DaSlayerSk French army credits : 65 bil $, British army 59 bil $ German army 45 bil $ Italian army 35 bil $. France has H Bomb, a nuclear propelled aircaft carrier, one of two blue water navies in the world, it builds and use Rafale which is much better than Eurofighter Typhoon (cf Swiss and Indian evaluation), they have the French Marines and Foreign Legions as elite troops, they build worldwide uses missiles such as MILAN, ERYX, MICA, MAGIC, EXOCET, SCALP...
MadPenguinFr 1 day ago
@MadPenguinFr I agree with almost everything above mentioned, but in it of the Rafale better that the Typhoon, I take to you the passion Chauvinist, be thinking me about what I speak, about comparing a Rafale (good embarked plane) with the best plane of air superiority (with permission of the Raptor) it is since a ferrari compares with a lancia.
VITOLLFOTOGRAFIA 18 hours ago
@VITOLLFOTOGRAFIA India, which is a country that cannot buy bad weapons, because they are at war with Pakistan and neighbours to China, has chosen to buy Rafale and not Eurofighter.
Furthermore, the evaluation of the Swiss Air Force between Rafale, Eurofighter and Gripen has been made public : it shows that EVEN in air superiority, Rafale is better than Eurofighter, although Eurofighter is a pure air to air fighter. That's sad but that's the way it is.
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@VITOLLFOTOGRAFIA also, in american red flags simulations, Rafale shot down eurofighters, and was the only one which could compete with the Raptor.
You can find the Swiss report, in google type echos rapport gripen and click the first link
MadPenguinFr 14 hours ago
are you kiding germany is weak and really do anything in international conflicts (libya and afganistan fx.) and i must egmit i havent heard about italy should have done any specail military operations latly.
if we made it on the sheer latly military operation (libya) then the top contrys should be:
france (unknowen amout of bombs dropped)
britan (over 650+)
denmark (just about the same as britan)
if you look at the afganistan war its just about the same the contrys i said operats mostly in souht
jonasnee 1 day ago
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Whatever81417 1 day ago
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@QsMaxiTaxi Guarda che l'Italia ha i migliori soldati del mondo.
macciavelli1998 1 day ago
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@isnogood0310 No, sei tu che sei ignorante come una scarpa.
macciavelli1998 1 day ago
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@aircaraibes541 L'italia venti anni fa sarebbe stata sotto i primi 10, adesso è almeno terza
macciavelli1998 1 day ago
@macciavelli1998 almeno terza ? non essere pazzo ragazzino, le due potenze militare in Europa sono Francia e Inghilterra ! La Germania viene dopo e l'Italia è lontana, lontana... Quando l'esercito italiano ha avuto credibilità per l'ultima volta ? Impero romano, due milla anni fa...
Translation : Don't make a fool of yourself kid, the two european military powers of the time are France and England. Then comes Germany and far, far away Italy. The Roman Empire is long gone !
MadPenguinFr 1 day ago
@MadPenguinFr I know that Italy's army is not powerful as UK or Germany or France, but it's admirable that even though the Italian state has debts we are in Afghanistan, we are there! italian army is doing its best to bring aid like: water, food, building houses, schools...we wield a shovel instead of a gun, sometimes you should lower your head.
I think we shouldn't think which is the best, it should be better if we think that together we can help people to gain their freedom, that's all.
TheAirglow 17 hours ago
@TheAirglow In Afghanistan the Italian army paid the Taliban NOT to fight them, in the region they were in charge. When the French took control of this region, the italians didn't tell them they had bribed the Talibans, so the French thought it was a peaceful region... the price to pay for this "mistake" was very expensive, 10 French soldiers were killed in an ambush. the italian government proved its cowardice.
MadPenguinFr 14 hours ago
@MadPenguinFr "A lot of Nato countries with troops operating in the rural areas of Afghanistan pay the insurgents so not to be attacked." that's what I found on BBC news, Italian government has never authorised or allowed any form of payment, I'm quite sure it's a sort of press fabrication, we are used to hear these kind of things.
TheAirglow 6 hours ago
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@yasarparisFB Si, la prima guerra mondiale? La guerra nell'800 contro l'Austria? Quella contro i borboni? Quella di Libia? Quella d'Etopia? Devo continuare?
macciavelli1998 1 day ago
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@werre2 Se parlassi dopo aver studiato sapessi che da noi è rigorosamene vietato il vinoe tutti gli alcolici in servizio
macciavelli1998 1 day ago
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@Vorrutyer Si, per non parlare della prima guerra mondiale, delle ben 3 gurre di indipendenza in cui abbiamo sconfitto: Borboni, Austriaci, Papisti e abbiamo fragato pure i francesi. (mi ero dimenticato delle guerre di Libia e di Rodi).
Studia la storia prima di parlare va.
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MadPenguinFr 1 day ago
@macciavelli1998 Vi hanno aiutato i francesi durante la guerra d'independenza... cretino. The French have helped you during the war of independance, moron.
MadPenguinFr 1 day ago
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@manolobeach se, certo... ma vivi ancora ai tempi della seconda rivoluzione industriale?
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tuesmornininsept 1 day ago
fail
sweAirsoft101 2 days ago
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I disagree about Italy, do not depend on anyone for our production of armaments, and now we have the largest fleet of Europe, and heavy updates of the entire army, marine and aviation, not counting our raiders, among the best special forces in the world
mattiasca91 2 days ago
I disagree about Italy, do not depend on anyone for our production of armaments, and now we have the largest fleet of Europe, and heavy updates of the entire army, marine and aviation, not counting our raiders, among the best special forces in the world
mattiasca91 2 days ago
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macciavelli1998 1 day ago
1. UK
2. Germany
3. France
aldjals54423 2 days ago
i think its not ok if europeans do top 5 minitaries of europe because everyone want that his country is the best i think amerikans, chinese, or russians should do such a top 5/ top 10.
WnVSkipper 2 days ago
1.France
2.UK
3.Germany
4.Poland
5.Spain
thats the truth
Szymusz 2 days ago
@Szymusz
Frances army sucks, they lose every war.
Holyhellaflyingturd 2 days ago
@Holyhellaflyingturd lol learn your history or shut up!
Tiono73 2 days ago
the bravest strongest and fearless soldiers are from poland and germany in the EU u can say what u want but its the truth!
Szymusz 2 days ago
maybe true, but they have not been tested in full combat roles recently, or have they? have they done any tri service offence roles in the last five years?
laurencepollock 2 days ago
@Szymusz
You're only saying that because you're from Germany you dumbass.
And as for Poland, I didn't even know they had an army, it's just a shit hole where all the immigrants come from.
Holyhellaflyingturd 2 days ago
@Holyhellaflyingturd wow kid, shut the fuck up. immigrants don't come from poland are you retarded..most of em comes from arabic countries and asian countries like japan and china...fucking rettarded...just to let you know you are uneducated if you didnt know poland had an army. pitty you kid your a shame to your country.
R3dTigerM40A3 2 days ago
@R3dTigerM40A3
Yeah thats in canada, it's a whole different story in the UK
Holyhellaflyingturd 1 day ago
@R3dTigerM40A3
Also, it's kind of ironic that you misspelled "Retarded"
Holyhellaflyingturd 1 day ago
@Holyhellaflyingturd actually, i said retarded the first time, the second time i accidently typed the R two times..so stop trying to act smart because your previous comment proved the opposite, you're stupid
R3dTigerM40A3 1 day ago
@R3dTigerM40A3
Actually you're wrong again.
You pressed T twice.
Holyhellaflyingturd 1 day ago
@Holyhellaflyingturd why are u such an idiot?! Poland has a good army and germany too!Why u say i only say that cause im from germany?dont understand it...and what the fuck haha immigrants? i see u have no clue about that so shut the fuck up!
Szymusz 1 day ago
@Szymusz
Are you kidding me?
All in England their are just loads of Polish people!
I've got nothing against them, but they're just everywhere.
Holyhellaflyingturd 1 day ago
@Holyhellaflyingturd you have nothing against polish people?why u said poland is a shithole?ok polish people immigrated in hole europe thats true but where is there the connection to the polish army?whats your point?
Szymusz 1 day ago
@Szymusz
Mass Immigration = Shit country
Shit country = No Money
No money = Can't train troops well/get good equipment
Can't train troops/get good equipment = Shit Military.
That is just my logic.
Holyhellaflyingturd 1 day ago
@Holyhellaflyingturd they have good equipment and GROM is one of the best specialforces in the world!the technologie is comparable with the rest of the militaries in europe!And polish soldiers are trained very good!
Szymusz 1 day ago
@Szymusz don't listning to him..the country with the most pakis immigrants is england...that pile of shit is just wrong and uneducated...i'm canadian and i think he is a shame to his country..
R3dTigerM40A3 1 day ago
@Holyhellaflyingturd mass of pakis= england..whos wrong now? don't trash me because i accidently typed two letters on a word i correctly wrote the first time..fucking RETARDED kid..you are uneducated..you didnt even know that poland had an army fucking stupid ass..they are the one that held over 40,000 nazis with less than 300 soldiers for more than 3 days in ww2..but i know you never heard of that since you are uneducated
R3dTigerM40A3 1 day ago
@Holyhellaflyingturd and how do you know that poland have shit training? their training is comparable with canada,usa, england etc..kid you are so stupid...i'm sure that polish infantry is ranked i top 15 atleast..and what does shit country have to do with money?your logic is not THAT logic lmao
R3dTigerM40A3 1 day ago
@Holyhellaflyingturd england= mass of imigrants with pakis and polish..so you are saying your own country is shit? i've seen americans more intelligent that you and that's bad.
R3dTigerM40A3 1 day ago
@R3dTigerM40A3
What?
How do you immigrate to a country that you have already immigrated too?
Do you realize what you are saying?
And Americans are good, the world is always begging the UK and the US to help them, so if you ever get invaded, you'll be singing a different tune.
Holyhellaflyingturd 1 day ago
@Holyhellaflyingturd can you understand the basic of what i'm saying atleast?i said there is alot of immigrants in england..alot of people from pakistan and poland...i thought you said a country with a shitload of immigrants=shit country,anyways..if you, me or the americans is to get invade,i'm afraid we are all going to help,since these days, invading big countries like us,canada,england,france etc will probally cause a big war.then all the nato is going to help,
R3dTigerM40A3 1 day ago
@Holyhellaflyingturd so the ''heroes'' aint gonna be you or the americans...when you'll need help maybe you'll stop hating on every country and start respecting them.fucking moron
R3dTigerM40A3 1 day ago
@Holyhellaflyingturd nobody wants the help from usa and uk they coerce the help to the other countries and then they prey the countries in that they invaded!
Szymusz 1 day ago
britain??? 100.000 soliders... france should be first.... 3. place for germany is ok good technology and 200.000 soliders but weak
TheKatcore 3 days ago
Last, any european country, austria, norway or switzerland included, can wipe off in days any possible enemy we may have around. Who's going to attack Europe? some arabs? turkey? a north-african? Let's stop going around the world supporting USA imperialism getting nothing back & we'll have no enemies if not the real enemy we have & of which we should take care: illegal immigration, for this, a very small force of frigates & aircrafts is needed & the will to fire on them as we should
vaxiawval 3 days ago
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vaxiawval 3 days ago
quite fair even if:
population is meaningless, each european country, even the smallest, largely exceeds whatever needed for modern warfare, no WWI or even WWII to fight on corpses, it's about technical, in this, nederlands for instance, could be superior to spain.
Size of economy & industry: Germany has got double than UK, Italy is 2nd industrial power of EU.
For strategic location italy is the only one good.
France, Italy & spain were pure shit in any war of recent times.
vaxiawval 3 days ago
Britain the BEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ZomBiEsaTTAcK62870 3 days ago
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80balbina 3 days ago
Spain 5, fair enough
Italy 4, yep
germany 3, ok
france 2, yes
Britain 1, exactly. Why all the dislikes? please refer to any of britain's conflicts since malaya for confirmation.
VonPete105 3 days ago
You are wrong if you basing this on the numbers of soldiers!
Look what happend ww2 in Greece:
Italians &Greeks
53000 soldiers - 290000 soldiers
463 aircraft - 77 aircrafts
160 tanks - 0 tanks
But still the Greeks won and then forsed hitler to send the luftwaffe and special forces to Greece. But when they arrived greek numbers where down to like 180000 soldiers and no aircrafts! but still they didn't surrender!
They won against Italy but lost the attack from the combined arms of Italy,Ger,Bul,Alb
GreekRoyalArmy 4 days ago
@GreekRoyalArmy Is not that number its all about!
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The modern Army in Europe today are not bad at any level, does not matter if they are professional soldiers and conscripts!
During WW2 where ALL soldiers poorly trained, but some individual units that especially in Germany and England had was better.
In today's world NATO trains together, the same education, same tactics, same structure, same weapons systems and so on.
MrCastodian 3 days ago
@GreekRoyalArmy And do you think Greece would of had the ability to go on the offensive outside of their own country then and win?
franknbeans4761 3 days ago
Deutschland dappt Frankreich in den arsch XD
MegaMeeeep 4 days ago
this is actual good and honest
TheLewisburgess 4 days ago
This is the dumbest vid i've seen for a long time.
miaumixboy 4 days ago
Bullshit...
France # 1.
stephenclarke123 5 days ago
@stephenclarke123 britian bigest empire french defeated by britian 100,000,000,000,000,000 times
TheLewisburgess 4 days ago
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@TheLewisburgess "BBC:
There have been 53 major wars in Europe
France had been a belligerent in 49 of them; UK 43.
In 185 battles that France had fought over the past 800 years, their armies had won 132 times, lost 43 times and drawn only 10.
Giving the French military the best record of any country in Europe."
stephenclarke123 4 days ago
No offense but if you look at domestic arms production the last 60 years and world arms sales per capita you get a first hand view of how far the military technology has reach in Europe. I say the list should be.. based on those facts 1. UK 2. France. 3.Germany. 4 Sweden. 5. Italy. ( Sweden is one of few military tecnological superpowers of the world ) and the NBG forces of scandinavia ) gives Northern Europe a fine protection against most threats.
MrThundermouth 5 days ago
France, UK and German are the Best ;)
Browser69330 6 days ago
AdhocHoopla 6 days ago
@AdhocHoopla I'm afraid some of your evaluations are outdated. 1. Quality of equipment : Germany certainly has the best armoured vehicles, but France has better planes, radar systems, missiles... though a lot of this equipment is shared with UK and Germany. 2.Number of troops : France : 240 000 - UK : 195 000 ; Navy : Fr : 146 ships+162 aircrafts - UK : 82 ships+200 aircrafts ; Air Force : Fr : 830 - UK : 900
MadPenguinFr 2 days ago
@AdhocHoopla 5. France has had much more engagement on his own than the Brits since the end of WW2. During NATO operations in Libya, the French could engage much more planes and helicopters, and in a better way (Rafale went where Typhoon could not go, 20+ French attack helicopters did low altitude murderous raids that impressed NATO, while the Brits used their 2 Apaches from a high altitude, fighter plane-like, thus losing a lot of precision and effectiveness.
MadPenguinFr 2 days ago
@AdhocHoopla . 6. Definitely not ! Uk has no proper aircraft carrier nor a modern navy jet, and has 60 less ships than France... 7. Due to 8. (better strategic location in Europe, indeed !) the Brits have taken part in less wars than the French. Do I need to copy here the BBC statement, giving the French army the best military record in Europe ?
MadPenguinFr 2 days ago
@AdhocHoopla I agree with the other points. Please don't feel insulted, these are only statistics and numbers, and might change again in the future. The British army is still feared and respected world wide. Let's just hope british politicians will stop cutting your defence credits again and again ! Together UK and France can do amazing things. Cheers
MadPenguinFr 2 days ago
@MadPenguinFr
6. May not be the case for now, but only while the old aircraft carriers are phased out. The UK still has 1 of only 2 Blue Water navies in the world which I believe gives the UK a better ability to project power.
Also please link your source for the size of the French Navy, I have it as 42 not 146.
AdhocHoopla 2 days ago
@AdhocHoopla Blue Water Navies nowdays are US Navy and French Navy, and possibly Russian Navy. Royal Navy won't be a BWN until they have their new aircaft carrier(s).
Now a list of Combat ships per country (at least 100 tons) : fleet subs uk 5 fr 6, ballistic subs uk and fr 4, aircraft carrier uk 0 fr 1, assault and landing ships uk 7 fr 11 frigates and destroyers uk 19 fr 24, patrol boats uk 6 fr 21, mine warfare ships uk 15 fr 18, intelligence ships uk 0 fr 3.total : uk 56 fr 88
MadPenguinFr 1 day ago
@AdhocHoopla @AdhocHoopla this list doesn't take into account auxilliary ships, such as replenishment oilers or cargo ships. They, however, wouldn't change the tendancy, nor would smaller patrol boats.
You can find these figures on the French Navy website : defense-gouv fr slash decouverte slash equipements-moyens-materiel-militaire and on Royal Navy website : royalnavy mod uk slash The-Fleet slash Ships
MadPenguinFr 1 day ago
@AdhocHoopla now your turn, where did you read that the French Navy only has 42 ships ???
MadPenguinFr 1 day ago
hast ja mal keine ahnung du spasst!
OGFIGHTER1 6 days ago
Rusia?
IvelinElcagador 1 week ago
Lol Britts are just European yankees
VipeVapela 1 week ago
@VipeVapela No, Americans are just offshore Brits.
beechey145 6 days ago
@beechey145 that what i think toooo. we should all the anglo speaking world and recreate the british empire. Make britain strong again.
RULE BRITANIA
sayhitodeath999 6 days ago
@sayhitodeath999 Well, they are really, we have such strong ties we both join eachother in wars. We're pretty much the same country but with different leaders.
beechey145 6 days ago
Just so everyone knows... those french pictures... those tanks are going the wrong way... They retreating!
95thrifleman95 1 week ago
wait a minute. britain is not even a part of europe. i think.
TheFinmafia 1 week ago
France hahahhah those cant kill evan a retardet bird..,. with the nuckelar bomb!!!
wilhelmwalther 1 week ago
Britain troops- battle hardened, well equiped and well trained.
Armour- Challenger 2 (best tank in the world), Warrior, Warthog etc and 4000 new vehicles will be purchased soon (FRES)
Airforce- Eurofighter, Tornado GR4, Globemaster C17, F35C (first 5th generation multirole stealth fighter), Predator, Reaper, Watchkeeper and soon Taranis, Mantis
Navy- Astute, Type 45, Vanguard, Type 23 (soon replaced type 26) and Queen Elizibeth aircraft carriers under construction.
Thats why we are top..
thethreelions3 1 week ago
@thethreelions3 Funny list
Battle hardened! They are all battle trained with the exeption of germany.
Armour- Challenger 2! Give me some proof that challenger is better than Leopard 2, Abrams M1A2 or T-90
UK has 136 Tornado and 86 Eurofaighter, thats not an Airforce
9 Reaper/predator is all they have, and do you think uk is the only country thats fly UAV?
By the way, UK have the smallest Army of the country that i listed, and they have the same modern equiptment as the rest.
MrCastodian 1 week ago
@MrCastodian turkey are battle hardened? the zone that france protects in Afghan is a taliban strong zone because the french do so little.
Challenger 2- rifled gun which means it has greater accuracy and further range. Its armour is also the best in the world and is top secret. none have ever been destroyed except by another challenger.
86 eurofighter? where are you getting your info, britain ordered 160 the most of any country.
We may be small but thats never stood in our way.
thethreelions3 1 week ago
@thethreelions3
Uk has a better navy
France a better air force
Spark02ify 1 week ago
@Spark02ify That all comes down to Rafale vs Eurofighter and until a dogfight occurs we will never know. although we will never go to war as we have a military partnership.
thethreelions3 1 week ago
@thethreelions3
A war between France and England/Britain, there will be no winner
Defence and Security Co-operation Treaty is an opportunity for both being more stronger
France is your best european allied and vis versa despite of our strong rivalry (England has been our mortal ennemy for centuries) we hate eachother but in reality we respect and admire you
Spark02ify 1 week ago
@Spark02ify I agree we have had a troublesome past and many wars but im glad thats behind us and we have both benefited from us having this partnership, and lets hope this co-operation continues and maybe grows. There is already a joint anglo-french reaction force and i read that your rafale's could fly from our aircraft carriers.
thethreelions3 1 week ago
@thethreelions3
Between I was born a 6 of June and I never forget all the british who died for France
Spark02ify 1 week ago
@Spark02ify "A war between France and England / Britain, there Will Be No winner" Hypothetically, I think France would win such a war today, in 10 years they can not, but in the current situation, their airpower, combined with the fleet are too strong.
And the weakness of the British air defense.
MrCastodian 1 week ago
@MrCastodian Hypothetically i highly dout it, The royal navy and RAF are no push over, the royal navy is going through a massive overhaul, and the RAF has the most eurofightes of any country and the tornadois also a brilliant aircraft. The rapier system could defend our skys, the type 45 & remaining 42's could guard the channel. also we are the only other country other than the US to have cruise missiles but the main reason is the british spirit of never give up never surrender,
thethreelions3 1 week ago
@thethreelions3 Also the french past record isnt very good if you know what i mean ;)
thethreelions3 1 week ago
@thethreelions3 You mean WW2? Or do you have other suggestions on conflicts they succeeded bad, Vietnam, perhaps?
Unlike the UK succeeded, by the way, what have UK succeeded in his "past record"?
And what has it with today's conflicts to do, are your troops better in year 2012 becuse you won at Trafalgar?
MrCastodian 1 week ago
@MrCastodian Vietnam? that was the americans lol Well our past record includes the largest ever empire, winning ww1 and 2, destroying thr chinese andvance in the korean war at the battle of imjin river or something, aswell as the hundred year war ect Its all dowwn to the british spirit.
thethreelions3 1 week ago
@thethreelions3 Vietnam War was started by France...
Your past record is that you LOST the biggest empire :)
You mean that France did not win WW2 and WW1 together with other allies?
Fought at a river that you do not even know the name of? Will it make that you are good at war today? By the way, in the battle of Imjin River the UK fought together with Korean, US, Belgian and Philippine troops, it was a UN unit!
France has an equally fine military history as UK, but has no meaning today.
MrCastodian 1 week ago
@MrCastodian Well in england the french are known a surrender monkeys, because of their track record. We lost our empire fighting against the superpowers of the day including France, Spain and dutch aswell as zulu's, americans, pirates, chinese, indians etc etc. At the batte of imjin river the british were at a seperate part of the river, And its the spirit of the soldier, UK would never surrender against france, you on the other hand ant say that.
thethreelions3 1 week ago
@thethreelions3 "french are known a surrender monkeys"
Shall I write all occasions England have given up?
France has won its victories in history, but it has nothing to do with today's war-making, you win no wars becuse your ancestors won a battle 300 years ago.
It is a ridiculous assumption to think that an English soldier has more heart or morals than French or other nations.
All countries have their battlefield where they gave up and where they have won.
MrCastodian 1 week ago
@thethreelions3 Britain very much was a surrendering monkey in WW2, 130thousand brits surrendering to 36thousand japanese on bicycles same in Malaysia--USA and Canada saved britains sorry asses--North-American weaponry, food and military might won WW2-brits let the nazis grow, sacrified a few allies--ran to Duncerque--blundered in Arnhem--USA ,Canada liberated Europe, you brits lost it-after ww2 britain went bancrupt, lost its empire-USA and Canada prospered--UK is USA's lapdog
hyurgy123 5 days ago
@hyurgy123 if your from america your hatred towards the UK is disguisting, we have served together many times, past is past, although what you say doesnt mention africa, normandy, italy, first to stop the japanese, siscily, batteling Uboats etc what you are is a knobhead.
thethreelions3 5 days ago
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@thethreelions3 we didn't serve together--we were your supreme commanders such as Eisenhower which is not of english origin--also did we save your sorry asses after you cowards refused to support even a putsch against madman hitler and his henchmen in your failed policy of appeasement in which you brits sacrfied Poland and Czechoslovakia--so much being allies wiht brits
hyurgy123 5 days ago
@hyurgy123 That's just completely untrue. The British won the Battle of Britain and the Western Desert Campaign and, arguably, the Tunisia Campaign - the Americans never sufficiently engaged the Germans until early 1943 (Battle of the Kasserine Pass) - the British had been at war as the sole independent Power of Europe for more than 3 years, and had won two campaigns in the process. How the hell can you say they were 'surrender monkeys'? You ignorant man.
CharlesDilkes 5 days ago
@CharlesDilkes Along with the Russians, of course.
CharlesDilkes 5 days ago
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@CharlesDilkes in all the battles you just named you brits used american armor and had twice as many troops to be able to defeat the krauts--also american vessels and fighter-bomber planes.
hyurgy123 5 days ago
@hyurgy123 well arn't you just the single stupidest man ever to grace gods good green earth, America as someone mentioned didn't get into the war until 43, after which they got beaten by the japanese at Guadacanal, and the rest of the Phillipines, they had to go back in just as we suffered in Burma and Singapore, if you didn't notice we had also been having several successful campaigns against Hitler as well and as Churchill said "we will never surrender" and we never did
philipMcQuade 5 days ago
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@philipMcQuade you brits were sittin like ras on your desolate island waiting that big bother USA and Canada brought-food, weaponry and troops to england.
130thousand brits surrendered to 36thousand japanes on BICYCLES
5thousand canadians fought 50thousand japanese in Hong Kong and got called cowards by british command because they retreated after having run out of ammunition--hahalol
the brits already had retreated behind the Gin Line--let as usual the fighting to their allies
hyurgy123 5 days ago
@thethreelions3 "Royal Navy and RAF are no pushover"
Of corse they are not,, but the fact is that the adversary is not "no pushover" either. "massive overhaul" Yes, in about 10 years UK will win.
Rapier is a bad system, and are too few (24), 35 years old, is not good enough.
RAF has most Eurofaighter? You have 86 pcs...not enough.
Tornado is a 40-year oldcaircraft, and in the current situation does not hold against armed enemies, 136 GR4, GR4A, GR4As to retire o living on borrowed time.
MrCastodian 1 week ago
@MrCastodian Where is everyone getting the info on the RAF numbers? They dont reliese it, its not on their website. They ordered 184 tornados and sold 24 to saudi arabia leaving 160, its said they have too many, and the numbers are unknown. so 86? A war with france now would last longer than 10 years so is this saying we would win? Tornado is primarly for ground targets, the eurofighter is for air supperiority.
thethreelions3 1 week ago
@thethreelions3 The french only have 115 air supperiority fighters thats almost 50 less.
thethreelions3 1 week ago
@thethreelions3
Mirage 2000C 52 Fighter
Mirage 2000D/N 138 Strike/Fighter
Mirage 2000-5 31 Fighters
Mirage F1CR/CT 58 Strike/Fighter
Rafale B/C/M 103 Fighter +90 on order
Super Etendard 41 Strike
MrCastodian 1 week ago
@thethreelions3 The figures is from government documents posted online for public information.
The number of Eurofighter/Typhoon is 86 in service, more planes are orded but they are not delivered.
The number of Tornado includes attack plane, then about 30-40 of them 126 planes redesigned to pure reconnaissance planes.
MrCastodian 1 week ago
@thethreelions3
3 Type 45, its a good ship, but you only has 3 of them.
Vanguard, Type 23, Astute The works no worse or better than other's ships, to some extent, perhaps Turkey.
Aircraft carriers under construction, Thay dont do any good if you dont have them?
UK have a small, but good Army, the others has large and good Armys.
UK has a small air force, the other has larger and as good planes, the same with the navys, UK glory days is over for now.
MrCastodian 1 week ago
@MrCastodian 6 are planed and good is an understatement they are the most advanced destroyers thats why only 6 are needed plus 150billion pound put aside for next decade to add to them Vanguard and Astute are world beaters specially astute- which is the quietest sub ever and the americans were astonished by how capable it was. 100,000 well trained british troops is all tha is needed. Also wth th airfoce its more about the pilots training as proved during the battle of britain.
thethreelions3 1 week ago
@thethreelions3 The topic was "Top 5 militaries In Europe" and not top 5 militaries In Europe in 10-15 years"
100 000 troops does not have a chanse, terribly childish contention, have no chance against the other European Army that have more troop o material
And pilot training in U.K. is not much better than the other NATO countries, their pilots are good enough, and they have equally good plan, and more planes
Come with some concrete facts please
And please, cant compare with a 70 year old war
MrCastodian 1 week ago
@MrCastodian No mattr what yo say Britai could win a war aginst any European country, We are the most well equipped, have the most Eurofighers of any country and if you want to talk logically whenever britai goes to war so does some very valuable allies being America and Australia. Also i dont see many facts on your side where is the aircraft number comparisons? and what 70 year war are you talkin about.
thethreelions3 1 week ago
@thethreelions3 But show me the evidence, prove how good your 200 plan is against the others with 300-1500 combat aircraft, prove how your pilots are better.
And the Allies? Then it's a different issue, this topic was "Top 5 militaries In Europe" not "Top 5 militaries In the Europe and allies"
I responded to your coment of WW2, and you can not compare today's warfare o training with a 70 year old war.
What facts do you want, give you everything you desire, just write it down.
MrCastodian 1 week ago
@MrCastodian whos with the 1500 aircraft for a start?
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MrCastodian 1 week ago
@MrCastodian Britain has 200 aircraft? where are you geing your info? the RAF dont release how many aicraft they have but ordered 184 eurofighters, have many harriers in storage and have well over 100 tornados we could cope with the russian airforce even in my opinion, its all about tactics.
thethreelions3 1 week ago
@thethreelions3 Please, there are no secrets.
136 Tornado GR4 (only attack)based in Marham; Lossiemouth and Coningsby
86 Typhoon based in Coningsby, Leuchars, Falkland Islands, BAE Warton
Thats all
And If you seriously think that your 126 Tornado to be able to bomb away the Russians, and your 86 Typhoon shall defend your air space you will live in the land of farytales
MrCastodian 1 week ago
@MrCastodian Show me where your getting the numbers of aircraft from then? wheres the proof?
thethreelions3 1 week ago
@thethreelions3 Ive checked and checked your wrong britain has 160 eurofighters. Russia has around 250 air supperiority fighters, the rest are for ground targets also the eurofighters are fitted with the best long range air missile, the meteor. The eurofighters would do more damage to the russian air force than visa versa, and when he new F35 comes here it would deffinatly be close for air superiority.
thethreelions3 1 week ago
@thethreelions3
254 Mig-29 Fighters + 150 in reserve
147 MiG-31 Air Superiority + 100 in reserve
273 Su-27/30/35 Fighters
200 MiG-23MLD Air Superiority (reserv)
UK has no chanse, and when the F-35 is in service Russia has the PAK
MrCastodian 1 week ago
@MrCastodian Some of those figures seem embellished, but equally, a lot of that kit is very old. But it's a stupid argument.
But what I will say is that you'd be having to smoke to pretty strong stuff to maintain the view that Turkey, Germany surmounts Britain in martial ability; France is a different matter. You're knocking Britain for some reason and I don't know why...
CharlesDilkes 5 days ago
@CharlesDilkes What equipment is old?
"Maintain the view That Turkey surmounts Britain in martial ability"
Why? They have more of everything, just as modern aircraft, ships and tanks, also twice as much, so why is England superior to them?
"You're knocking Britain for some reason and I do not know why"
Why? i like UK, been there many times o has many friends there, only because I believe you should be placed lower on the list does not mean I'm talking shit about you or dislike you.
MrCastodian 5 days ago
@MrCastodian No they don't - where are you getting this rubbish from? Their aircraft, for example, isn't on par with the Royal Air Force (their F-6C/D aren't as good as the Eurofighter), conversely, they have dated Leopard II A4 as their main battle tank: that isn't as good as the Challenger II.
It's absurd to suggest Turkey have a better equipped and better able military.
CharlesDilkes 5 days ago
@CharlesDilkes True, your 86 Eurofighter is better than their F-16, but as I said, you have 86, they have 200 F-16, which wins?
And yes, your 345 Challenger 2 is good, probably slightly better than Turkey 339 Leopard 2A4. and 398 Leopard 1 and also their 900 M60!
But do you seriously that they English tanks have a chanse against this resistance?
Anything else you want to compare?
MrCastodian 5 days ago
@MrCastodian But we don't Castodian, we have 160 - the rest are to be delivered over the next three years. I think you're splitting hairs.
Castodian, it's not about individual unit numbers: you're talking about the military in its entirety, in other words, saying 345 tanks Vs. over a thousand is facile, leaving aside the fact that those tanks are incredibly dated, especially the M60 and especially in the face of Tornado's.
CharlesDilkes 5 days ago
@CharlesDilkes Please, YOU HAVE NOT 160! YOU HAVE ORDERED!!
The same applies to your Aircraft Carrier, your submarines o your Destroyer, you do not have any, you have ordered!!
MrCastodian 5 days ago
@MrCastodian Splitting hairs.
CharlesDilkes 5 days ago
@CharlesDilkes Please, if you seriously think that your Army can deal with NATO's second largest Army, you are a joke, confused o do not know what you are talking about.
Ridiculous to even talk to you.
It is one of the countries in the world you can not manage, one of the few in Europe that you do not handle.
By the way, Tornado's are "incredibly dated", as old like the Turks M60
MrCastodian 5 days ago
@MrCastodian I think it's ridiculous to suggest Turkey has a superior armed force than Britain. You're kidding absolutely nobody.
You've completely missed the point when I cited the Tornado in relation to the M60 (ignoring the fact that they aren't as old as each other - the Tornado GR4 is a 90's upgrade, the Turkish M60's date from the late 70's early-mid 80's). They are incredibly dated. But I'm not comparing a fighter plane to a tank - why would I do that?
CharlesDilkes 5 days ago
@CharlesDilkes Turkey probably does have a more powerful military than Britain. Of course, pound for pound, Britain is better than Turkey. But the Turks have a very large military, many times larger than Britain's. However, Britain can project more power than Turkey and has a more powerful navy than the Turks. But Turkey's ground force is very formidable while Britain's is significantly smaller and all around less capable.
franknbeans4761 4 days ago
@franknbeans4761 How is Britain's ground force 'less capable'? You're going to have a really hard time convincing anyone that the average Turkish division is better trained and better 'able' than their British equivalent. Turkey has a huge amount of armour with thousands of tanks, but their main battle tank is the dated Leopard 2A4, the rest of their armour is even more dated (Leopard 1 & M60). The Challenger II is better than all these tanks. CONT.
CharlesDilkes 4 days ago
@CharlesDilkes Britain's ground force is significantly less capable. I already said Britain's ground force is better on a pound for pound scale, but as a whole, ground force to ground force, Britain is nowhere near Turkey's capabilities.
Of course you have to look at all terms but even then, Turkey still has more combat aircraft (of varying qualities) and more of many things. The only thing Britain has over Turkey is their navy but even then it is very limited.
franknbeans4761 4 days ago
@franknbeans4761 And when considering the very poor performance of the Typhoon in the Swiss fighter competition, I would say the British Air Force is yet again limited.
But still, the Turkish ground forces still outweigh any advantages Britain might have. 3,000+ tanks versus just under 400 tanks is no comparison.
franknbeans4761 4 days ago
@franknbeans4761 'Very poor performance'? What on earth are you talking about? The Eurofighter isn't a poor performing aircraft. It's easily better than anything the Turks have.
CharlesDilkes 4 days ago
@CharlesDilkes As for the Eurofighter, you aren't up to date on things. Let me enlighten you. The Swiss had a fighter tender in which the Eurofighter was behind in many categories:
h t t p : / / files . newsnetz . ch/upload//1/2/12332 . pdf
I thought it was a much better plane, but apparently it has it's short comings. And even then, Turkey still has a large amount of Block 50 F-16's.
franknbeans4761 4 days ago
@franknbeans4761 Spare me the condescension please. The Eurofighter isn't a sub-par plane; and maybe YOU aren't up to date with things but that particular report was in the news recently because of a) suspected bungs from French officials and b) assurances from the French government that they could reduce the unit cost of Rafale (French subsidies to Dassault Aviation, from which they're a major shareholder. CONT.
CharlesDilkes 4 days ago
@franknbeans4761 So that report is dubious at best. Conversely, the Eurofighter is a an air superiority aircraft in the RAF, it's complemented by the Tornado as a air-to-ground fighter, so the fact that the Rafale may perform better as a fighter is immaterial (assuming you ignore the blatant politics that went into that report). Proves commentators have never suggested there was a large disparity in performance. To try and suggest the EF is sub-par is nonsense.
CharlesDilkes 4 days ago
@CharlesDilkes Then why did the Rafale beat the Eurofighter in India as well?
The Swiss fighter competition was unbiased and fair, and the Eurofighter did not do well even when compared to the F-18A/C/D in some cases.
I am just saying it has been having lack luster performance in many areas other than air-to-air combat, which is big.
franknbeans4761 4 days ago
@franknbeans4761 For the reasons I just gave below. That was a controversial decision, a very controversial decision in fact insofar as India is concerned. I don't the details of the Switzerland case, but I'd imagine they're looking for a multi-role plane - I repeat, the Eurofighter has a AS role, we still use Tornado's as our main AtoS fighter.
Lack luster performance? lol mate, stop trying to fob us off with this bull that the Eurofighter is some low performing piece of trash
CharlesDilkes 4 days ago
@CharlesDilkes Never meant to say it is a low performing piece of trash. But if it isn't able to properly be a multi-role fighter, that limits the Royal Air Force's overall abilities due to their already lower numbers.
franknbeans4761 4 days ago
@franknbeans4761 Frank my friend, I don't think you know what you're talking about. The Eurofighter was never meant to be a multi-role plane in the RAF - it's sole purpose is AS. We'll leave it at that I think - going round in circles.
CharlesDilkes 4 days ago
@CharlesDilkes Doesn't matter, having it lack the ability to do so just limits Britain's overall capabilities.
franknbeans4761 3 days ago
@franknbeans4761 To close the debate, Turkey airforce is mostly composed of american made aircrafts, it means in cas of war USA could not supply them with ammo, spares... and Turkay has less projection means than UK. Besides the 200 british nuclear warheads could be enought to destroy entirely Turkey's territory.
eikkkN 4 days ago