I was pressured into adoption, but I backed out of it after my daughter was born. (She's half-Korean). I think so many mothers have little confidence and they feel like they can't see the end of the tunnel, but really as long as a kid received love and is provided for, it doesn't matter if it's only a mom, only a dad, or two parents. Sad thing is, it's not just South Korea that has a stigma against single moms. It's everywhere.
@silverakisame Good on you backing out! But the the stigma differs between countries, this language is one belonging to cultures almost addicted to adoption, while in the Netherlands and the Scandinavian countries having surrendered a child for adoption is about the worst dishonor imaginable for a woman. And what stigma can there be on single mothers, if almost half the babies, and more than half the firstborns are born out of wedlock?
I know alot of korean babies are taken away from their culture and everything. But common, most kids get what they can't get if they stay with their korean families. For example if their poor or whatever. I mean why they put their child in adoption in the first place knowing that adoption is international? Maybe because of pressure or whatever. But if i had a baby i'd do whatever to keep my baby. Even run away if i could. Ofcourse things are different over there. At the end it's just my opinion
Birthmoms, if you really want to end adoption, then teach people about exercising sexual self control, and using contraceptives. It IS possible to control sexual urges. We are humans, not animals. Please stop having babies and demanding that other people (adoptive parents) take care of them, and then blaming the adoptive parents for what YOU did.
In most cases, it's not the birth mothers who want to give up their children - lots of time, they are pressured by parents, boyfriend, or other people. Birth mothers aren't, for the most part, "demanding that other people take care of them."
@MrWomanpower my aunts boss child from china was found in the garbage. all because she was a girl the husband didnt want her. so i agree with you about them complaining. but the government should investigate the adoptive parents more.
@wendyjeanlouis China is different because the law they have over there due to over-population. What i'm tryng to say is that they have a law which permits families to only have one child. Alot of kids are abandoned and also for cultural preferences boys are usually the ones families prefer than girls. That's why theres billions of beatiful little girls in adoption. Women are pressured to give up their child even though they don't want too. Alot of children are abandoned in rivers or trash cans
@MrWomanpower "Birthmoms" (newspeak for mothers of stolen babies) are fierce advocates for sex (and fertility) education and the rights of natural families. We are demanding investigations of the adoption industry and the facts are on our side. Adopters don't rescue babies. They buy them. Most want healthy infants and pay 10-100K for them, plus bribes and "donations." Most adopted babies were taken from their mothers by fraud and coercion. Child slavers do NOT speak for them at any age.
Ethiopian Adoption Scam?Adoption: A $100 Million Industry in Ethiopia .Ethiopia has become a fertile ground for international adoptions.our kids are for sale by USA..
The crude reality is that children have become a big Ethiopian export. A child welfare agency here estimates international adoptions are generating revenue for the government of around one hundred million dollars a year, and the government is showing now sign that it is going to jeopardise that income for the sake of the children.
Beautiful video and music! We're our children's natural mothers for good reasons. Natural families are priceless treasures, a blessing. No one can take our place. Strangers don't have our unconditional love and genetic bonds. Most people know mothers and babies belong together. They're honest and compassionate. They don't want their children taken and know it's wrong to take other parents' children unless they're abused. Thank you for what you're doing. Money can't buy love.
it's not just your country,but in the US as well.Adoption agencies trick mothers in to giving up their children.They do what ever is necessary to get that child, all just for the money they will get from adoptive parents. Agencies is nothing more then black marketing children and its needs to stop!
I was adopted from Korea in 1992 and everyday I think about my bio parents and how they are doing today. Thankfully I was blessed with a great family in America. To me a family isn't defined by blood or race. No matter what I am proud to be a Korean American.
@Kohria the sad part is Adoption society is not going to let that happen.they want babies,Babies to fill orders they have from adoptive parents.United States has the same problem.young and unwed mothers are badgered until they sign over their children.Ones who didn't cave in to their badgering lost by Adoption Agencies call child's welfare and they came in and took the children.-continue-
Placing them into the adoption Agencies.So either way the mothers loose.As I said before,Adoption Agencies need to be stopped.They are stealing children from loving birth mothers simply cause adoption agencies want the money and think their doing a great job in what they do.They are hurting the birth mother and the children.
Sociologists call "colorblindness" the new modern racism. We pat ourselves on the back for being able to ignore another person's race and not count it against them when we ought to be EMBRACING who they are and celebrating it with them.
Taking a child out of their beautiful culture and heritage so that they can "enjoy" your "superior" way of life is ethnocentric, egocentric and wrong. Why not improve their lives where they ARE? Why is moving them and assimilating them necessary?
@IheartNovember Excellent points! The American adoption system is corrupt and pathological. It's poisoned the world. Our culture isn't superior to others. It's a lie, like adoption. Adoption agencies and attorneys, and foster care/CPS, are corrupt. They made child-trafficking legal here. Child welfare experts know children are happiest with their own families and cultures, not strangers in distant lands. Adoption brokers are criminals to take babies from their loving mothers.
Wow, I see a lot of people commenting on adoption who don't know what they heck they're talking about.
Yes, the presence of adoption agencies allows countries (including the U.S.) to skip out on managing dependency. This is a gross human rights injustice and MISUSE of adoption.
If one of you should ever become poor, would YOU give your child up? Why is it an expectation you place on others when you wouldn't do it yourself? The only "selfish" being here is the government.
I work with foster children that are adopted here in the US. I have never worked a case in which the kids would have been better off staying with their parents. In SOME cases, adoption is the best answer!
I was adopted from S. Korea in 1986 and my situation was similar to most cases in which an unwed mother abandoned their children due to the stigma. I was abandoned to the care of an elderly grandmother bc my bio father died. My bio mother did not want to raise me. I am in support of families remaining together. But I can testify that my life would be very different if I hadn't been adopted. Yes to more support for mothers and children but NO to ending adoptions, it is needed!
I totally agree with the women of Korea.they should be able to keep their children.We as Americans don't have any rights to their children.Want to adopt babies stay in the US there are plenty of children here that need homes.Adopt in the US
YES!! Governments and other pro-adoption propagandists make adoption appear benign ONLY by censoring the educated opinions of thousands of adoptees and mothers it harmed.
"One of the most draconian decisions the State makes is to deprive a child of a parent's love and care. Removing a child from its family is not simply a private matter. It is a decision that demands the very highest standards of accountability and transparency. Camilla Cavendish, The London Times, 9/14/08
What rubbish !! Do u know what it's like to give your baby away??How for way to many girls and women it ruins there lives.U think just because as an adoptive parent u have gotten a child that they don't have a real family before u even exsisted.
These protesters are a disgrace. Adoption and especially intercountry adoption is a wonderful thing. It is nothing short of racism to say that people of one race can't raise a child of another. Babies who couldn't receive the proper care from their birth parents are lucky to be adopted. Just because someone's racial background is Korean, for example, doesn't mean they MUST know about Korean culture, language, etc.
They look a little selfish asserting that overseas adoption would just bring bad names to Korea. What they are missing is the point that they have to really consider what's best for the future of orphans waiting to be adopted. Adoption is not so common in Korean society, what other options do they have other than sending these orphans overseas. In order to stop overseas adoption, Koreans have to change their values and their mentality, but I think it's very unlikely they will.
To ALL of you posting these horrible and non-supportive comments... Shame on you all. Why did you not learn some F*cKing empathy for others from your OWN MOTHERS?! You are just being hateful, judgmental pieces of crap. Rotten, mean things. Go find something better to do with your time, because these women have suffered ENOUGH!
Good Luck ladies! God knows we need it. Blessings to all of you and your missing children.
Keep up the good work
Elizabeth mother of a missing 8 year old little boy.
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If they don't want kids to be adopted then stop having unwanted babies.
And as for kids not being raised by other Koreans, society should be past dividing cultures and skin colors.
What if a Canadian moves to Korea and adopts a Korean baby? Will that person be outcast by these protestors for raising the baby in a white & english family?
And if Korean has a child by an African?
Is that child okay to be adopted because it isn't full Korean & so can go to another culture?
Im Korean -- not adopted -- and have about 20 Korean adoptees as friends. They all come from loving families and have good jobs. Sad truth about Korean society is that many orphans don't have equal rights. They are shunned as outcasts in Korea and many end up as gangsters or prostitutes. I think adoptees should go to loving parents who will raise them in a good environment, even if that means going overseas. However, they should always remember their Korean roots and identity.
Well said. I don't think banning intercountry adoption by itself will solve anything - it will just increase the number of orphans in ROK. Instead, fix the systemic and cultural roadblocks to fair and equitable treatment of single mothers (tho no easy task) and intercountry adoption will no longer be necessary.
There are no Korean roots or identity when you're raised white surrounded by only whites.
There is only being shunned as an outcast.
I'm still looking for this benefit everyone not adopted keeps telling me about.
I'd rather have grown up poor in my birth country, with my own flesh and blood. at least if I would have grown up in Korea, I would know who I was. At least I would know my mother's face.
Adoption only addresses the symptoms. It is not the real solution.
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you're a fool. this benefit you're looking for is called "life" and not having been aborted. you like to see yourself as a victim, but the truth is you probably received a lot of love and care growing up. you sound like a race-obsessed, ungrateful brat who likes to whine. I have no patience for people like you.
@youcanpullmystrings I think the issue here is adoption practices in Korea, not so much the moral issues with adoption in general (which seems you and I don't see eye to eye on). I don't know the circumstances that led to your adoption, or even the kind of life you live now. But I'd say overall if you were fed, sheltered, clothed, educated and loved - assuming that wouldn't have happened in Korea for you - then you got a pretty sweet deal.
Not all Korean adoptees were raised in a loving family & have good jobs! I am a poor Korean adoptee who did not come from a loving family & they try to brainwash me into believing that all Koreans were bipolar depressive maniacs because my brother & I were always depressed, always asking ourselves "why were we adopted?" My adoptive parents DID NOT believe we were full blooded Koreans. Instead they raised us like twinkies & insisted we were not Korean at all. So it isn't always good to be adopted
Yeah? How do you think you would have ended up if you were raised in Korea as an orphan? At least you were given opportunity in the US. In the US, you have opportunities, even as an orphan. It's never easy growing up as an adoptee. However, in Korea, it's still a very structured society that puts orphans at a disadvantage. I'm telling you, statistically, lots of the gangsters or prostitutes working in Korea are from orphan backgrounds. It's very very sad.
I live in S. Korea now, and yes, it's tough socially, but it is the EXISTENCE of the adoption agencies which allows the government to neglect social services to women who want to keep their children.
I've also met orphans who grew up here, and yes it was tough, but at least they know their culture and language - and they ended up JUST FINE. Not as gangsters and prostitutes.
i grew up in korean orphanage and none that i know of ended up as gangsters nor prostitutes. most of them have decent jobs and live as well as any other koreans.
If you want to know about me Rose just ask. I think that is much better than the continual assumptions you label me with and maybe you will understand who I am. Thanks again
If you want to know about me Rose just ask. I think that is much better than the continual assumptions you label me with and maybe you will understand who I am. Thanks again
If you want to know about me Rose just ask. I think that is much better than the continual assumptions you label me with and maybe you will understand who I am. Thanks again
What a beautiful video! I am an adoptive mom of a Korean toddler who was in foster care for over 2 years before he found us. While our lives have been blessed abundantly, and I hope his have too, I think of his first mom every single day, and writer her letters, and he will always know how much she loved him. I do believe that we need to support mothers who do want to parent their children in any way we can.
To the USA take care of your own, not others. Do a big favor to your nation adopt local and help your own people.
As soon as I can I'm planning to leave the USA to return to my beloved homeland of Seoul korea. I may not understand the language nor fit in when I first arrive, but that doesn't matter to me. All I know is Korea is in the very depths of me, that never left.I'm like the forced prodical daughter who will be returning home.
My god April - I have now read down further and am shocked at your ignorance. You will not be welcomed by the average Korean because you were born out of wedlock, you will not be able to get a job because you can't speak the language and you will not be able to marry a Korean man (or have a lasting relationship) because you were jettisoned by that country as a baby. International adoption provides opportunities for growth for ALL involved- it counters tribalism, ignorance and racism. Goodluck!!
I have to say in all due respect that I'm shocked by your assumptions that I was born out of wedlock and that I will not get a job. Rosesx do you not know presently in Korea that the Korean market is looking for proessional who SPEAK ENGLISH? Do you not know that the English language is a international language that practically all countries require their children to learn? Did you not know that in Korea to speak english and write english is a must before you are hired?
Goodluck April going to the grocery store in Seoul. Goodluck being accepted as a Korean by the family of the man you fall in love with. You don't exist, you have no 'name'in Asia. You're not on the Family Register there. Goodluck in getting a job teaching English-you'll have to learn how to SPELL first. You'll do better as an American & realise how safe & comfortable your life has been. For a Christian your vitriol & intolerance is astounding. Get back to me when you've had some life experience.
I find your comments jaw dropping and down right with an unkind spirite. I like to inform you that you are absolutely mistaken to say "I have no name" in Korea. You are absolutely wrong to say "the man I fall in love with the family will not accept me." Just so we can get some facts straight, I have a family and have 2 beautiful daughters, I run a business and a college graduate. Again before you go on a "ASSUMPTION rampage, I think it would be best to know who I am before you type.
I refuse to call you names or rant and rave what kind of person you maybe or not. I refuse to display any personal attacks because I don't agree with you. Showing this kind of interaction reveils an elementary mindset and a lack of skill to civilly communication respectfully. If you can't do that than do us a favor and cease your commenting.
As for you thinking I'm a teenager, well I do have to say people think I'm years younger...lol..Also Rose get back with me when we can civilly disagree and your done with the name calling :)
Your outlandish comment of " You don't exist, you have no 'name'in Asia. You're not on the Family Register there." Is an absolutely completely false idiotic comment and a complete joke. If I don't exist in my own country why is there paperwork of my existence? If I don't have a name in my country why is my name Soon Duk Song? If I don't have a family name in my country why Rose did I leave Korea with my birth name and only change because of being Americanized?
As for your comment about Australia having a low adoption rate, I like to thank you for clarifying that. Is the reason why Australia has a low adoption rate is due to not adopting YOUR OWN and adopting Intercountry which means going to another country. I did some research Rose and the percentage of your country in adoption international children has gone up 71%.
It is a waste of time continuing a discussion with an ill-informed, ignorant person such as yourself. Í'm pleased though we've had this as I now know to sheild my children from the bile you want to share. It's terribly sad that you're so angry and mentally defective and you want to share this with others openly. God knows where you're doing your 'research'. Probably on the back of a cornflakes packet. You're clueless.
They want asian children: - 31 per cent came from China, 20 per cent from South Korea and 11 per cent from the Philippines.Ethiopian children accounted for 12 per cent of all adoptions. I'm going to hit this home again TAKE CARE OF YOUR OWN.
Why do you want to rescue us when you can't take of your own? Help your own children that come from your bloodlines and stop this absurb notion how you claim "it saves us from International adoption provides opportunities for growth for ALL involved- it counters tribalism, ignorance and racism", that to me is absolutely unreal and unheard of.
If that was the case well..you need to write your local politician because no one can adopt a Australian child unless they are a Australian citizen, is trialism, racism ect ect happening presently in Australia because your own children are not being allowed to be adopted international? I hardly think so Rose, so that point is totally bogus and unacceptable.
If that was the case well..you need to write your local politician because no one can adopt a Australian child unless they are a Australian citizen, is trialism, racism ect ect happening presently in Australia because your own children are not being allowed to be adopted international? I hardly think so Rose, so that point is totally bogus and unacceptable.
Did you know Rose that the Korean market is looking for professiional in the US to work for their nation? Do you not know Rose that Korean men are like any other men who have unstable relationships like any other man..LOL. Also now days Korean men are dating and marrying non Korean women, so your comment on that holds no water.
Please excuse my misspelling on "professional".I have a pretty busy day, so pardon me..lol. Anyhow you stating how "Australia like America is home to many refugees & immigrants who have lost been driven out of or chosen to leave their homeland" has nothing to do with international adoption, thats a comment desperately pulled out of the air to justify your "ok" on international adoption and no basis.
As I've stated take care of your own children instead of allowing the system to care for them.
I'm also concerned about your assimptions how I won't this and I won't that. As you being a mother of 2 Korean children, I think it's a disgrace for you to say such thing on this board to discourage my people and attempt to SPEAK FEAR into us.I'm frankly think it's shameful.
You're an absolute disgrace and have completely ignored the women who have given up their children and ranted on this board about yourself and flagrantly disregarded anyone else's point of view. The guilt expereinced by relinquishing mothers is shred by adoptive mothers - it's rammed down our throats. We're all for children staying in-country and being respected appropriately but until that happens we're here to nuture the children who would otherwise be lost to the world.
Rose instead of your name calling please respond to your stating that I'm NOTHING to my counrty of KOREA??? Rose respond to my birth name, respond to my paperwork and records in Korea? Rose respond to Korea having my birth??? Rose respond as to my having a family and children and how I won't be accepted?? Rose RESPOND AND STOP THIS SILLY NAME CALLING,,"YOUR A FOOL, YOUR IGNORANT, and answer your own comments that your have attempted to tried and stump me with.
Speaking of ranting..I suppose we both have rose..don't you agree? This is what this board is for, if you don't like it, thats just how the cookie crumbles. You have a choice to respond or not, agree or disagree. Again because people do not agree with you, it is totally unacceptable for your kind of behavior.
My opinion is because I don't agree, it has offend you, which I will never agree with you nor you me. And please STOP about "How I disregarded the birth ". I believe you added that to make it look like I'm against my own people, which is absolutely absurd
Your comment about how I "disregarded anyone else's point of view",is uncalled for, not that I disregard I disagree, so instead of calling people childish names,I explain myself boldy. Rose are you disregarding my opinion? I think you are. The same thing your accusing me of, your exercising.
Nuture your own countries children and stop trying to resuce others. If you can't take of your own, how on earth can you help another? As for your cornflake box joke, well Rose before I typed, I did some research on the adoptions in Australia, you are welcome to go read your own countries statistics.
As for wishing me "luck"..I don't believe in luck I believe in destiny which I'm walking presently in. Becasue you do not agree with myself nor I with you and since your do not know who I or other 1000's of adoptees it's not right of you to speak negative words or in my opinion attack others because they questions yours. Thank you for your input and have a wonderful day :)
I'm a college graduate and truly blessed. You quoted "The average Korean will not welcome you", is totally rubbish. The "Average Koreans" from Korea attend my university who are hardcore bred Koreans and to stereotype them as "unwelcoming" is simply ludicrious. For the most part Korean people are very kind, generous and passionate about what they believe in.
In conclusion, I'm sure your adoptive children love you very much and you them, but kindly respect us adoptee's who do not agree with Korean children being adopted outside of our country. Well gotta go, lol! Thank you again :)
A mother's love is to encourage and protect, not to tear down the hertiage or people of where your children came from. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't make me your enemy.
To the United States take care of your own, there are tons of children that need a home, who long to be adopted and loved. why are you coming to Korea, China and ect. to find a child? I think your fascinated in how we look, rather intrigued by the culture and God only knows the rest. Since it's such a rage to adopte an asian child you just jump on the band wagon with the other intrigued people.
I don't think this message is fair. I absolutely disagree that every American who adopts a child from Korea or China is motivated by the "look" and culture of such a child. Disgusting notion. I also disagree that adoption is "all the rage," especially when adoptive parents are often persecuted by others who use inflammatory language. And no, I am not an adoptive parent. I believe there are problems, but I don't believe they will be solved by hatred. May you find comfort, healing and peace.
I absolutley disagree with your comment, however that is your right. Also since you are not a parent who has never adopted a Korean or international child it is not fair for you even to make a comment. I am a adoptee and I've walked the walk and have witness horrible things,living in a living hell for years. Americans are fascinated with"Asian babies", it's a fact ask your Americian neigbhors.
Dear April38 - thank you for your comments. Im saddened however that you are só bitter and sorry that your life has not turned out the way you'd hoped. I hope you find your destiny in South Korea but warn you that life may be very hard there for you. I have two adopted children from Seoul and know many others who enjoy the freedom of Australia rather than the 'guilt'they would unfairfly carry with them in South Korea. We celebrate their origins & do all we can for them. I wish you well.
I like to respectful correct you in your assumption that I'm bitter. Just because I don't agree with Korean children being taken out of our element is not a fair assumption for you to label me that title.I'm being honest in how I state my feelings and because you may not agree with what I say isn't fair to assume that I'm lost and wandering around in this world without a purpose.
Also as your warning about me returning to my homeland is really a disappointing statement for the fact that is where my culture, language and my family is from. I suppose noone knows how this feels unless they are a adoptee. The notion because you have 2 adopted children from Korea and the "Freedom of Australia rather than the guilt they would unfairly carry with them to South Korea" is frankly absurb
Australia like America is home to many refugees & immigrants who have lost been driven out of or chosen to leave their homeland. They/we too have lost our culture, language and parts if not all of our family. I anticipate your travel overseas if you haven't made a trip already will open your eyes & broaden your horizons & provide you with the opportunity 2 see life through other people's eyes. You may like to travel further down into south east asia or africa & see what life is like 4 chn there
ok..here goes my spelling again..lol..trying to rush through. Anyhow before we speak of ignornance, let's do some research before we type :) Moving right along I've lived all over the world and where I presenlty live in the US has the same people, good and bad. Educated and uneducated. Different culture and ect. but the same animal.
I like to end with saying that you have 2 children from Korea, which I'm sure you love dearly, however Rose I think it's very damaging and hypocritical in putting down my country, culture, race and other adoptee's who do not agree with you. You make us sound as we are some brutal uncivilized nation that is hard nose and have no love for our people and children, when you have chosen 2 of our own.
We as adoptee's carry no guilt, because we did nothing wrong and the only reason why we want and do return is to reestablish what was lost and reconnect to our people. That does not mean we leave the present people out of lives, but extended our boundaries in our search to belong where we were taken. I belong to a group in Seoul Korea who deal with many adoptee's, who have the same goal as I and who are not bitter, wanting to know everything they lost.
I believe God puts a drive in each one us to know where and whom we came from. As for my destiny I'm walking in it now and Korea is a very big part of it. I live in the United States and I think this nation is more free than any other, my question again is why doesn't the U.S and your country Australia take care of there own children?
Hi April - again thank you for your comments. For your edification here in Australia we in fact have almost a zero adoption rate because this country does in fact take such good care of single mothers through welfare payments, affordable housing and free medical and education systems in addition to three large non govt. welfare organsiations which give all the extras required for living. These mothers do not give up their children because they are a source of cash.
This has been documented by social, media. welfare and political commentators in this country since the 1970s. Welfare has resulted in now third generational laziness and low self esteem in those receiving it. The children within these broken families have few if any positive role models and very few male references. This situation is the opposite of that in South Korea & simply does not'work'to everyone's satisfction either. So here we are on opposite sides of the globe each trying our best.
Also rose when I return to Korea again I have "Koreans" ready to aid me in any way they can, so please stop this "good luck" for this and "good luck" with that. Give your Korean childrens countrymen alot more credit in their human kindness. Have you been to Korea recently? Have you experienced kind Koreans or is this all assumptions that we turn our faces to our own?
I was in Seoul a few months ago and was treated well for the most part thankyou. Like anywhere there are good people and not so good. But hey you'd know this you've lived all over the world haven't you? Again I wish you goodluck and look forward to hearing your story upon your return to the US as you no doubt will to lead your comfortable family life - or are you planning to chuck it all in to move to Korea permanently perhaps? How will your American children deal with that? All the best.
My children are Korean too. Just because I don't agree with international adoption, I cannot change the family members in my life who are wonderful. Also there are Korean adoptee's who love their Americian or other nationality families.
However for the most part when we grow up there is a inner drive in us to find who we are, that does not mean we stop loving our American families, but we need to fulfill where we came from. With that comes our opinions that leads us to this discussion board.
I cannot see your comments even though I'm getting a notice that you have several. Even though, I like to say we can go around this mountain until doomsday and we will not agree. Also I think it's best in not arguing about this any furthur. I'm a mother as well and my attitude whether online or offline needs to display those attributes of a example in how to treat others.
My Dear - I haven't bothered to respond to your last lot of nonsense. You are no longer on my radar so there is no hurt or offence taken - in fact I find your rants amusing as they're so revealing. Understandably in the first instance I thought you were genuine but now I realise you're unbalanced & can only wish you well. I hope you grow up soon so your kids don't turn out like you. Now sit back, relax & focus on them rather than yourself. [ALSO-search Sen. Paull Shin's website for some wisdom.]
I'm trying very hard to be respectful to you, however I would never stoop as low to demean other people's children because I don't agree with them. What my opinions are simply that. As a word of common courtesy and human decency never drag the innocent parties in such as children in your disgruntle notions, that is wicked and down right hateful. In doing that you are speaking out of angry and offensive instead of what your true opinion is and the purpose is to simply to be Mean.
In sincerity my motivation was to be understanding to you and truly apologize, which I still stand on. However shame on you for even attempting to attack the integrity of my children whom you do not know. I'm floored that you as a adopted mother who chose 2 korean children would try to cut down in who we are.I'm appalled that you would even attempt to get to me through my children, they have nothing to do with our disagreement. That madam is seething in anger.
Can't you understand English? You're dimmer than I thought. Go back & actually READ my comments & again good luck getting a job teaching English in Korea. I certainly don't demean your children! That's the last thing I would do. It's you who needs to stop thinking about yourself & focus on their needs now. Finally though I see there may be a little light for you at the end of the tunnel now you've announced you're going off the air. No more diatribe from you! Halleluyah-what a relief for us all!
I'mmmmm back..lol I run a business, and again the assumption of "Hope you find a English teaching job in Korea" is incorrect and is usually the Canadians, lol. Also you knew this, but added it anyhow for space I suppose. As for dimmer? Well my personal definition of "Dim" is people who cannot have a constructuion intelligence conversation without elementary tendencies of name calling, becasue the other party doesn't agree.
They let them go into the system and brush them aside while their own citizens go and adopt international, looking to care for others when they cannot take care of their own. As far as I know the U.S. or Australia does not provide their children for international adoptions, wonder why this is? I may be in error. My point is as I've stated again and again, kindly take care of your own children in your own country.
What is sad to me is all the children needing homes local and I'm sure in your nation that do not get adopted and put in foster homes while "you" go over and above in international adoptions. Korea was wrong and still is wrong in giving our precious children to foreign nations, they need of their own as well. How can you take care of us when you don't care for your own first?Again I don't agree with your comment, however you have every right to state it. Best regards,
What is disgusting to me is when (where I presently live which is in the south) the local channel has a adoption ad for children who need to be adopted within the city and you know what happens with that? Basically nothing, but I can tell you the people here have Korean and Chinese children that took a ton of effort to adopt and have left their own community children to the system. Again to the USA think about taking care of your own. International adoption is all the rage.
I'm sorry to have to leave these messages in different formats, it only allows me limited characters. Anyhow recently in Belgium a public official adopted a precious Korean child, bringing her into their family and is sending her back, becasue she doesn't fit in. How horrifying, that is a disgrace to his country and their integrity.
Please do not assume in my posting there is hatred because I don't agree, that is not fair.
One last thing, the assumption because people don't agree with others at times do not make them evil, but civil.
Also the notion because someone leaves a bold up front statement that has stepped on some toes does not mean those people have no comfort, healing or peace. That is in all honesty luducrious. As christians I think the world thinks we wimp down on things we have a passion about,to the contrary. I thank God continually for His goodness in my life and the healing He only could give:)
Why was there not a aggressive back ground check on these nutcases who so deseperatly wanted a child???? Why was there not a pyschological test given to these people to gauge if they would even be quailfied? Why, why, why???? Is it because Korea around 1968 was such an impoverish nation that the United States and other prosperous contries were look upon as meal ticket for us korean childen? Why Korea did you not take responsiblity for your own children?
empowered to keep their babies and natural/birth mothers started organizing and speaking out against forced adoptions and postponed grief also known as post traumatic stress disorder or disenfranchised grief. Mothers from all over the world have suffered silently without a voice way too long
For those who don't have a clue, get one! jr0124 is right on the money. Did you know that 84% of adoptees are abused in some way? Fact not a figure I pulled out of a hat. Wonderful video, keep speaking out we are making progress!
Why would anybody invest 30-75 thousand dollars on an adoption so they can abuse a child? Did you know in NY we went through 5 months of background checks including a home study and an FBI check before we became candidates.I would like to know where you got your statistics from? People who adopt often invest their life savings and all their free time to become parents because they love children. Not enough people use birth control and so we have many unwanted pregnancies. How sad!
I think this comment was insensitive to original moms and dads and grossly oversimplifies the issue. I would think that someone who benefits from the original parents' loss would express a little more compassion and respect. I believe that if you truly want to love the adopted child, you must find ways to love his/her original parents and reflect that love to him/her. I feel the same way about children of divorced parents. Love and respect for the other parents go a long, long way.
Why would you invest multi thousands of dollars on us international children, when I know in NY there are 1000's of children in your city and state who needed to be adopted? Why do you not care for your own? But you want to come rescue children in another nation while your own is thrown into the system. Puzzles me.
I too support Korean mothers who are given no encouragement or support to parent their babies. In addition, I support poor mothers in America who are urged to place their babies because there is a market for them.
The young birth moms (I have spoken to as young as 14) and women who are drug addicts or just women who cannot afford to support themselves are left with no good choice but adoption. Why should the government help them when they were so irresponsible? If they practiced abstinence or protected sex until they were fit to be parents than they wouldn't be in this situation. The birth moms are lucky to find loving families to raise their children and help them through their pregnancies.
I'm not sure I understand the premise of this video..While I acknowledge the regret birth mothers may feel, I don't think it can be said that adoptees are any worse off now that they've been adopted. Moreover, arguably, they are much better off.
Actually, according to the latest figures, adoptees account for between 2 and 5% of the US population. If they're so much better off than those who aren't adopted, why do they account for about 40% of the institutionalized population?
You can't know what a person's life would have been like if their mothers had been given the tools they needed to be able to keep them.
I would like to know where you got your statistics from? Are these children brought up from birth by their adoptive parents? If they aren't then perhaps their birth parents who couldn't take care of them or foster agencies or being shuffled around by different family members is what messed up their lives. My husband was adopted from birth and soon we will do the same to help another unfortunate child. What a gift!
If I where king of the world, I'd pass a law that would place every child into a two parent family with a mother and father. Government can't provide this.
We adopted our daughter 7 and a half years ago. She's top in her class. She's the happiest little girl I know. She knows that she's adopted and is greatful for a birth mother who had the courage to do what is right.
I was pressured into adoption, but I backed out of it after my daughter was born. (She's half-Korean). I think so many mothers have little confidence and they feel like they can't see the end of the tunnel, but really as long as a kid received love and is provided for, it doesn't matter if it's only a mom, only a dad, or two parents. Sad thing is, it's not just South Korea that has a stigma against single moms. It's everywhere.
silverakisame 2 weeks ago
@silverakisame Good on you backing out! But the the stigma differs between countries, this language is one belonging to cultures almost addicted to adoption, while in the Netherlands and the Scandinavian countries having surrendered a child for adoption is about the worst dishonor imaginable for a woman. And what stigma can there be on single mothers, if almost half the babies, and more than half the firstborns are born out of wedlock?
ThW5 1 week ago
omg. FINALLY.
oiuweroiuwer 5 months ago
I know alot of korean babies are taken away from their culture and everything. But common, most kids get what they can't get if they stay with their korean families. For example if their poor or whatever. I mean why they put their child in adoption in the first place knowing that adoption is international? Maybe because of pressure or whatever. But if i had a baby i'd do whatever to keep my baby. Even run away if i could. Ofcourse things are different over there. At the end it's just my opinion
lovetard01 7 months ago
Birthmoms, if you really want to end adoption, then teach people about exercising sexual self control, and using contraceptives. It IS possible to control sexual urges. We are humans, not animals. Please stop having babies and demanding that other people (adoptive parents) take care of them, and then blaming the adoptive parents for what YOU did.
MrWomanpower 10 months ago 2
@MrWomanpower
In most cases, it's not the birth mothers who want to give up their children - lots of time, they are pressured by parents, boyfriend, or other people. Birth mothers aren't, for the most part, "demanding that other people take care of them."
EuphrasieF 10 months ago
@MrWomanpower my aunts boss child from china was found in the garbage. all because she was a girl the husband didnt want her. so i agree with you about them complaining. but the government should investigate the adoptive parents more.
wendyjeanlouis 7 months ago
@wendyjeanlouis China is different because the law they have over there due to over-population. What i'm tryng to say is that they have a law which permits families to only have one child. Alot of kids are abandoned and also for cultural preferences boys are usually the ones families prefer than girls. That's why theres billions of beatiful little girls in adoption. Women are pressured to give up their child even though they don't want too. Alot of children are abandoned in rivers or trash cans
lovetard01 7 months ago
@MrWomanpower "Birthmoms" (newspeak for mothers of stolen babies) are fierce advocates for sex (and fertility) education and the rights of natural families. We are demanding investigations of the adoption industry and the facts are on our side. Adopters don't rescue babies. They buy them. Most want healthy infants and pay 10-100K for them, plus bribes and "donations." Most adopted babies were taken from their mothers by fraud and coercion. Child slavers do NOT speak for them at any age.
asynkronos 7 months ago
Ethiopian Adoption Scam?Adoption: A $100 Million Industry in Ethiopia .Ethiopia has become a fertile ground for international adoptions.our kids are for sale by USA..
Tsmmachge 1 year ago 3
The crude reality is that children have become a big Ethiopian export. A child welfare agency here estimates international adoptions are generating revenue for the government of around one hundred million dollars a year, and the government is showing now sign that it is going to jeopardise that income for the sake of the children.
Tsmmachge 1 year ago
Then tell all women and girls to use birth control and ta da the problem is cured
3909clancy 1 year ago 2
Beautiful video and music! We're our children's natural mothers for good reasons. Natural families are priceless treasures, a blessing. No one can take our place. Strangers don't have our unconditional love and genetic bonds. Most people know mothers and babies belong together. They're honest and compassionate. They don't want their children taken and know it's wrong to take other parents' children unless they're abused. Thank you for what you're doing. Money can't buy love.
asynkronos 1 year ago
it's not just your country,but in the US as well.Adoption agencies trick mothers in to giving up their children.They do what ever is necessary to get that child, all just for the money they will get from adoptive parents. Agencies is nothing more then black marketing children and its needs to stop!
ashatbulaparanormal 1 year ago 2
I was adopted from Korea in 1992 and everyday I think about my bio parents and how they are doing today. Thankfully I was blessed with a great family in America. To me a family isn't defined by blood or race. No matter what I am proud to be a Korean American.
dookie66669 1 year ago 3
only mothers who feel like they can't take care of their child should be able to put them up for adoption.
if a mother has the will to raise their child, they should be given some support imo
Kohria 1 year ago
@Kohria the sad part is Adoption society is not going to let that happen.they want babies,Babies to fill orders they have from adoptive parents.United States has the same problem.young and unwed mothers are badgered until they sign over their children.Ones who didn't cave in to their badgering lost by Adoption Agencies call child's welfare and they came in and took the children.-continue-
ashatbulaparanormal 1 year ago 2
Placing them into the adoption Agencies.So either way the mothers loose.As I said before,Adoption Agencies need to be stopped.They are stealing children from loving birth mothers simply cause adoption agencies want the money and think their doing a great job in what they do.They are hurting the birth mother and the children.
ashatbulaparanormal 1 year ago 2
I will fight along with others like me and together we will put a stop to adoption agencies and their black market.
ashatbulaparanormal 1 year ago 2
The poor women should still be allowed to keep their children.
cloudberry121 1 year ago
Sociologists call "colorblindness" the new modern racism. We pat ourselves on the back for being able to ignore another person's race and not count it against them when we ought to be EMBRACING who they are and celebrating it with them.
Taking a child out of their beautiful culture and heritage so that they can "enjoy" your "superior" way of life is ethnocentric, egocentric and wrong. Why not improve their lives where they ARE? Why is moving them and assimilating them necessary?
IheartNovember 2 years ago 5
@IheartNovember Excellent points! The American adoption system is corrupt and pathological. It's poisoned the world. Our culture isn't superior to others. It's a lie, like adoption. Adoption agencies and attorneys, and foster care/CPS, are corrupt. They made child-trafficking legal here. Child welfare experts know children are happiest with their own families and cultures, not strangers in distant lands. Adoption brokers are criminals to take babies from their loving mothers.
asynkronos 1 year ago
Wow, I see a lot of people commenting on adoption who don't know what they heck they're talking about.
Yes, the presence of adoption agencies allows countries (including the U.S.) to skip out on managing dependency. This is a gross human rights injustice and MISUSE of adoption.
If one of you should ever become poor, would YOU give your child up? Why is it an expectation you place on others when you wouldn't do it yourself? The only "selfish" being here is the government.
IheartNovember 2 years ago 2
I work with foster children that are adopted here in the US. I have never worked a case in which the kids would have been better off staying with their parents. In SOME cases, adoption is the best answer!
mavigne 2 years ago
I was adopted from S. Korea in 1986 and my situation was similar to most cases in which an unwed mother abandoned their children due to the stigma. I was abandoned to the care of an elderly grandmother bc my bio father died. My bio mother did not want to raise me. I am in support of families remaining together. But I can testify that my life would be very different if I hadn't been adopted. Yes to more support for mothers and children but NO to ending adoptions, it is needed!
chaelaw2053 2 years ago
I support the ban on Korean adoptions. But I wouldn't stop there. Ban ALL adoptions.
Adoptions cause severe self -esteem, identity and trauma issues in the babies, nevermind what it does to the mothers.
One day, I hope to have a truly civilized society where we understand that babies and mothers need to stay together.
In those rare instances where this is not possible, the extended family, or worse case scenario, long term foster families, should be called in.
Adoption sucks. facebook.
Sammicsno 2 years ago
I totally agree with the women of Korea.they should be able to keep their children.We as Americans don't have any rights to their children.Want to adopt babies stay in the US there are plenty of children here that need homes.Adopt in the US
ashatbulaparanormal 2 years ago
can someone explain to me why they want to stop intercountry adoptions? it's beneficial to the adoptee right? i mean, they get to have a family.
K3wLaiD 2 years ago
YES!! Governments and other pro-adoption propagandists make adoption appear benign ONLY by censoring the educated opinions of thousands of adoptees and mothers it harmed.
"One of the most draconian decisions the State makes is to deprive a child of a parent's love and care. Removing a child from its family is not simply a private matter. It is a decision that demands the very highest standards of accountability and transparency. Camilla Cavendish, The London Times, 9/14/08
asynkronos 2 years ago 2
What rubbish !! Do u know what it's like to give your baby away??How for way to many girls and women it ruins there lives.U think just because as an adoptive parent u have gotten a child that they don't have a real family before u even exsisted.
cbrun67176 2 years ago 2
These protesters are a disgrace. Adoption and especially intercountry adoption is a wonderful thing. It is nothing short of racism to say that people of one race can't raise a child of another. Babies who couldn't receive the proper care from their birth parents are lucky to be adopted. Just because someone's racial background is Korean, for example, doesn't mean they MUST know about Korean culture, language, etc.
sndblstr 2 years ago
They look a little selfish asserting that overseas adoption would just bring bad names to Korea. What they are missing is the point that they have to really consider what's best for the future of orphans waiting to be adopted. Adoption is not so common in Korean society, what other options do they have other than sending these orphans overseas. In order to stop overseas adoption, Koreans have to change their values and their mentality, but I think it's very unlikely they will.
patheticsuburbanite 2 years ago
The adoption agencies are a revenue stream.
It's good to see the birth mothers speaking out about their treatment...
Adoption should be kinship, ie to grandparents or birth family, as a priority, if it happens at all. Forced adoption should never be sanctioned.
UKSecretCourts 2 years ago 4
To ALL of you posting these horrible and non-supportive comments... Shame on you all. Why did you not learn some F*cKing empathy for others from your OWN MOTHERS?! You are just being hateful, judgmental pieces of crap. Rotten, mean things. Go find something better to do with your time, because these women have suffered ENOUGH!
Good Luck ladies! God knows we need it. Blessings to all of you and your missing children.
Keep up the good work
Elizabeth mother of a missing 8 year old little boy.
queenmadigan 2 years ago 7
@queenmadigan I cannot imagine giving a child away.
nomorefunds 1 year ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
If they don't want kids to be adopted then stop having unwanted babies.
And as for kids not being raised by other Koreans, society should be past dividing cultures and skin colors.
What if a Canadian moves to Korea and adopts a Korean baby? Will that person be outcast by these protestors for raising the baby in a white & english family?
And if Korean has a child by an African?
Is that child okay to be adopted because it isn't full Korean & so can go to another culture?
Stop the prejudice!
Imraltrtmldais 2 years ago
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anayaaah 3 years ago
Im Korean -- not adopted -- and have about 20 Korean adoptees as friends. They all come from loving families and have good jobs. Sad truth about Korean society is that many orphans don't have equal rights. They are shunned as outcasts in Korea and many end up as gangsters or prostitutes. I think adoptees should go to loving parents who will raise them in a good environment, even if that means going overseas. However, they should always remember their Korean roots and identity.
haenamdogg 3 years ago 4
But the point of this vid, is that those shunned orphans should have equal rights so adoption isn't necessary.
i4ionic 3 years ago 4
Well said. I don't think banning intercountry adoption by itself will solve anything - it will just increase the number of orphans in ROK. Instead, fix the systemic and cultural roadblocks to fair and equitable treatment of single mothers (tho no easy task) and intercountry adoption will no longer be necessary.
charltonyy 3 years ago 3
There are no Korean roots or identity when you're raised white surrounded by only whites.
There is only being shunned as an outcast.
I'm still looking for this benefit everyone not adopted keeps telling me about.
I'd rather have grown up poor in my birth country, with my own flesh and blood. at least if I would have grown up in Korea, I would know who I was. At least I would know my mother's face.
Adoption only addresses the symptoms. It is not the real solution.
youcanpullmystrings 3 years ago 12
This comment has received too many negative votes show
you're a fool. this benefit you're looking for is called "life" and not having been aborted. you like to see yourself as a victim, but the truth is you probably received a lot of love and care growing up. you sound like a race-obsessed, ungrateful brat who likes to whine. I have no patience for people like you.
sndblstr 2 years ago
@youcanpullmystrings I think the issue here is adoption practices in Korea, not so much the moral issues with adoption in general (which seems you and I don't see eye to eye on). I don't know the circumstances that led to your adoption, or even the kind of life you live now. But I'd say overall if you were fed, sheltered, clothed, educated and loved - assuming that wouldn't have happened in Korea for you - then you got a pretty sweet deal.
goshadowkenny 1 year ago
@youcanpullmystrings where you adopted or something?
lovetard01 7 months ago
Not all Korean adoptees were raised in a loving family & have good jobs! I am a poor Korean adoptee who did not come from a loving family & they try to brainwash me into believing that all Koreans were bipolar depressive maniacs because my brother & I were always depressed, always asking ourselves "why were we adopted?" My adoptive parents DID NOT believe we were full blooded Koreans. Instead they raised us like twinkies & insisted we were not Korean at all. So it isn't always good to be adopted
chinsukkim 3 years ago
Yeah? How do you think you would have ended up if you were raised in Korea as an orphan? At least you were given opportunity in the US. In the US, you have opportunities, even as an orphan. It's never easy growing up as an adoptee. However, in Korea, it's still a very structured society that puts orphans at a disadvantage. I'm telling you, statistically, lots of the gangsters or prostitutes working in Korea are from orphan backgrounds. It's very very sad.
haenamdogg 3 years ago
Um, I was sent to an abusive family in the U.S.
I live in S. Korea now, and yes, it's tough socially, but it is the EXISTENCE of the adoption agencies which allows the government to neglect social services to women who want to keep their children.
I've also met orphans who grew up here, and yes it was tough, but at least they know their culture and language - and they ended up JUST FINE. Not as gangsters and prostitutes.
Too many industry lies to believe.
girl4708 2 years ago 12
@girl4708
Did you become a gangster or prostitutue because you were raised in the USA? How did you finally get out of that world of crime?
cloudberry121 1 year ago
i grew up in korean orphanage and none that i know of ended up as gangsters nor prostitutes. most of them have decent jobs and live as well as any other koreans.
kadkid1 2 years ago 4
so much loss for everyone.
thank you so much for posting this.
american korean adoptee and incest victem
at the hands of adoptive father
youcanpullmystrings 3 years ago
If you want to know about me Rose just ask. I think that is much better than the continual assumptions you label me with and maybe you will understand who I am. Thanks again
april38 3 years ago
If you want to know about me Rose just ask. I think that is much better than the continual assumptions you label me with and maybe you will understand who I am. Thanks again
april38 3 years ago
If you want to know about me Rose just ask. I think that is much better than the continual assumptions you label me with and maybe you will understand who I am. Thanks again
april38 3 years ago
Thank you JJTrenka, i enjoy your blog and this video is awesome!! I am blogging about it tonight :) Gershom
AdopteeWarrior 3 years ago
What a beautiful video! I am an adoptive mom of a Korean toddler who was in foster care for over 2 years before he found us. While our lives have been blessed abundantly, and I hope his have too, I think of his first mom every single day, and writer her letters, and he will always know how much she loved him. I do believe that we need to support mothers who do want to parent their children in any way we can.
bsktlvr97 4 years ago
To the USA take care of your own, not others. Do a big favor to your nation adopt local and help your own people.
As soon as I can I'm planning to leave the USA to return to my beloved homeland of Seoul korea. I may not understand the language nor fit in when I first arrive, but that doesn't matter to me. All I know is Korea is in the very depths of me, that never left.I'm like the forced prodical daughter who will be returning home.
april38 4 years ago
My god April - I have now read down further and am shocked at your ignorance. You will not be welcomed by the average Korean because you were born out of wedlock, you will not be able to get a job because you can't speak the language and you will not be able to marry a Korean man (or have a lasting relationship) because you were jettisoned by that country as a baby. International adoption provides opportunities for growth for ALL involved- it counters tribalism, ignorance and racism. Goodluck!!
Rosesx2 3 years ago
Hi Rosesx,
I have to say in all due respect that I'm shocked by your assumptions that I was born out of wedlock and that I will not get a job. Rosesx do you not know presently in Korea that the Korean market is looking for proessional who SPEAK ENGLISH? Do you not know that the English language is a international language that practically all countries require their children to learn? Did you not know that in Korea to speak english and write english is a must before you are hired?
april38 3 years ago
Goodluck April going to the grocery store in Seoul. Goodluck being accepted as a Korean by the family of the man you fall in love with. You don't exist, you have no 'name'in Asia. You're not on the Family Register there. Goodluck in getting a job teaching English-you'll have to learn how to SPELL first. You'll do better as an American & realise how safe & comfortable your life has been. For a Christian your vitriol & intolerance is astounding. Get back to me when you've had some life experience.
Rosesx2 3 years ago
Hi Rose,
I find your comments jaw dropping and down right with an unkind spirite. I like to inform you that you are absolutely mistaken to say "I have no name" in Korea. You are absolutely wrong to say "the man I fall in love with the family will not accept me." Just so we can get some facts straight, I have a family and have 2 beautiful daughters, I run a business and a college graduate. Again before you go on a "ASSUMPTION rampage, I think it would be best to know who I am before you type.
april38 3 years ago
I've been completely fooled then April - you write like a teenager hence I assumed you were indeed 19 or so.
Rosesx2 3 years ago
Rose,
I refuse to call you names or rant and rave what kind of person you maybe or not. I refuse to display any personal attacks because I don't agree with you. Showing this kind of interaction reveils an elementary mindset and a lack of skill to civilly communication respectfully. If you can't do that than do us a favor and cease your commenting.
april38 3 years ago
As for you thinking I'm a teenager, well I do have to say people think I'm years younger...lol..Also Rose get back with me when we can civilly disagree and your done with the name calling :)
april38 3 years ago
Your outlandish comment of " You don't exist, you have no 'name'in Asia. You're not on the Family Register there." Is an absolutely completely false idiotic comment and a complete joke. If I don't exist in my own country why is there paperwork of my existence? If I don't have a name in my country why is my name Soon Duk Song? If I don't have a family name in my country why Rose did I leave Korea with my birth name and only change because of being Americanized?
april38 3 years ago
As for your comment about Australia having a low adoption rate, I like to thank you for clarifying that. Is the reason why Australia has a low adoption rate is due to not adopting YOUR OWN and adopting Intercountry which means going to another country. I did some research Rose and the percentage of your country in adoption international children has gone up 71%.
april38 3 years ago
It is a waste of time continuing a discussion with an ill-informed, ignorant person such as yourself. Í'm pleased though we've had this as I now know to sheild my children from the bile you want to share. It's terribly sad that you're so angry and mentally defective and you want to share this with others openly. God knows where you're doing your 'research'. Probably on the back of a cornflakes packet. You're clueless.
Rosesx2 3 years ago
They want asian children: - 31 per cent came from China, 20 per cent from South Korea and 11 per cent from the Philippines.Ethiopian children accounted for 12 per cent of all adoptions. I'm going to hit this home again TAKE CARE OF YOUR OWN.
april38 3 years ago
Why do you want to rescue us when you can't take of your own? Help your own children that come from your bloodlines and stop this absurb notion how you claim "it saves us from International adoption provides opportunities for growth for ALL involved- it counters tribalism, ignorance and racism", that to me is absolutely unreal and unheard of.
april38 3 years ago
If that was the case well..you need to write your local politician because no one can adopt a Australian child unless they are a Australian citizen, is trialism, racism ect ect happening presently in Australia because your own children are not being allowed to be adopted international? I hardly think so Rose, so that point is totally bogus and unacceptable.
april38 3 years ago
If that was the case well..you need to write your local politician because no one can adopt a Australian child unless they are a Australian citizen, is trialism, racism ect ect happening presently in Australia because your own children are not being allowed to be adopted international? I hardly think so Rose, so that point is totally bogus and unacceptable.
april38 3 years ago
Did you know Rose that the Korean market is looking for professiional in the US to work for their nation? Do you not know Rose that Korean men are like any other men who have unstable relationships like any other man..LOL. Also now days Korean men are dating and marrying non Korean women, so your comment on that holds no water.
april38 3 years ago
Rose,
Please excuse my misspelling on "professional".I have a pretty busy day, so pardon me..lol. Anyhow you stating how "Australia like America is home to many refugees & immigrants who have lost been driven out of or chosen to leave their homeland" has nothing to do with international adoption, thats a comment desperately pulled out of the air to justify your "ok" on international adoption and no basis.
april38 3 years ago
As I've stated take care of your own children instead of allowing the system to care for them.
I'm also concerned about your assimptions how I won't this and I won't that. As you being a mother of 2 Korean children, I think it's a disgrace for you to say such thing on this board to discourage my people and attempt to SPEAK FEAR into us.I'm frankly think it's shameful.
april38 3 years ago
You're an absolute disgrace and have completely ignored the women who have given up their children and ranted on this board about yourself and flagrantly disregarded anyone else's point of view. The guilt expereinced by relinquishing mothers is shred by adoptive mothers - it's rammed down our throats. We're all for children staying in-country and being respected appropriately but until that happens we're here to nuture the children who would otherwise be lost to the world.
Rosesx2 3 years ago
Rose instead of your name calling please respond to your stating that I'm NOTHING to my counrty of KOREA??? Rose respond to my birth name, respond to my paperwork and records in Korea? Rose respond to Korea having my birth??? Rose respond as to my having a family and children and how I won't be accepted?? Rose RESPOND AND STOP THIS SILLY NAME CALLING,,"YOUR A FOOL, YOUR IGNORANT, and answer your own comments that your have attempted to tried and stump me with.
april38 3 years ago
Speaking of ranting..I suppose we both have rose..don't you agree? This is what this board is for, if you don't like it, thats just how the cookie crumbles. You have a choice to respond or not, agree or disagree. Again because people do not agree with you, it is totally unacceptable for your kind of behavior.
april38 3 years ago
Rose,
My opinion is because I don't agree, it has offend you, which I will never agree with you nor you me. And please STOP about "How I disregarded the birth ". I believe you added that to make it look like I'm against my own people, which is absolutely absurd
april38 3 years ago
Rose,
Your comment about how I "disregarded anyone else's point of view",is uncalled for, not that I disregard I disagree, so instead of calling people childish names,I explain myself boldy. Rose are you disregarding my opinion? I think you are. The same thing your accusing me of, your exercising.
april38 3 years ago
Nuture your own countries children and stop trying to resuce others. If you can't take of your own, how on earth can you help another? As for your cornflake box joke, well Rose before I typed, I did some research on the adoptions in Australia, you are welcome to go read your own countries statistics.
april38 3 years ago
Rose,
As for wishing me "luck"..I don't believe in luck I believe in destiny which I'm walking presently in. Becasue you do not agree with myself nor I with you and since your do not know who I or other 1000's of adoptees it's not right of you to speak negative words or in my opinion attack others because they questions yours. Thank you for your input and have a wonderful day :)
april38 3 years ago
Rose,
I'm a college graduate and truly blessed. You quoted "The average Korean will not welcome you", is totally rubbish. The "Average Koreans" from Korea attend my university who are hardcore bred Koreans and to stereotype them as "unwelcoming" is simply ludicrious. For the most part Korean people are very kind, generous and passionate about what they believe in.
april38 3 years ago
In conclusion, I'm sure your adoptive children love you very much and you them, but kindly respect us adoptee's who do not agree with Korean children being adopted outside of our country. Well gotta go, lol! Thank you again :)
april38 3 years ago
A mother's love is to encourage and protect, not to tear down the hertiage or people of where your children came from. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't make me your enemy.
april38 3 years ago
To the United States take care of your own, there are tons of children that need a home, who long to be adopted and loved. why are you coming to Korea, China and ect. to find a child? I think your fascinated in how we look, rather intrigued by the culture and God only knows the rest. Since it's such a rage to adopte an asian child you just jump on the band wagon with the other intrigued people.
april38 4 years ago
I don't think this message is fair. I absolutely disagree that every American who adopts a child from Korea or China is motivated by the "look" and culture of such a child. Disgusting notion. I also disagree that adoption is "all the rage," especially when adoptive parents are often persecuted by others who use inflammatory language. And no, I am not an adoptive parent. I believe there are problems, but I don't believe they will be solved by hatred. May you find comfort, healing and peace.
whiningpuker 3 years ago
Hi Whiningpuker,
I absolutley disagree with your comment, however that is your right. Also since you are not a parent who has never adopted a Korean or international child it is not fair for you even to make a comment. I am a adoptee and I've walked the walk and have witness horrible things,living in a living hell for years. Americans are fascinated with"Asian babies", it's a fact ask your Americian neigbhors.
april38 3 years ago
Dear April38 - thank you for your comments. Im saddened however that you are só bitter and sorry that your life has not turned out the way you'd hoped. I hope you find your destiny in South Korea but warn you that life may be very hard there for you. I have two adopted children from Seoul and know many others who enjoy the freedom of Australia rather than the 'guilt'they would unfairfly carry with them in South Korea. We celebrate their origins & do all we can for them. I wish you well.
Rosesx2 3 years ago
Hi Rosesx2,
I like to respectful correct you in your assumption that I'm bitter. Just because I don't agree with Korean children being taken out of our element is not a fair assumption for you to label me that title.I'm being honest in how I state my feelings and because you may not agree with what I say isn't fair to assume that I'm lost and wandering around in this world without a purpose.
april38 3 years ago
Also as your warning about me returning to my homeland is really a disappointing statement for the fact that is where my culture, language and my family is from. I suppose noone knows how this feels unless they are a adoptee. The notion because you have 2 adopted children from Korea and the "Freedom of Australia rather than the guilt they would unfairly carry with them to South Korea" is frankly absurb
april38 3 years ago
Again April - good luck in your search for all you look for in South Korea. I sincerely hope you find satisfaction and peace there too. kind regards.
Rosesx2 3 years ago
Australia like America is home to many refugees & immigrants who have lost been driven out of or chosen to leave their homeland. They/we too have lost our culture, language and parts if not all of our family. I anticipate your travel overseas if you haven't made a trip already will open your eyes & broaden your horizons & provide you with the opportunity 2 see life through other people's eyes. You may like to travel further down into south east asia or africa & see what life is like 4 chn there
Rosesx2 3 years ago
ok..here goes my spelling again..lol..trying to rush through. Anyhow before we speak of ignornance, let's do some research before we type :) Moving right along I've lived all over the world and where I presenlty live in the US has the same people, good and bad. Educated and uneducated. Different culture and ect. but the same animal.
april38 3 years ago
I like to end with saying that you have 2 children from Korea, which I'm sure you love dearly, however Rose I think it's very damaging and hypocritical in putting down my country, culture, race and other adoptee's who do not agree with you. You make us sound as we are some brutal uncivilized nation that is hard nose and have no love for our people and children, when you have chosen 2 of our own.
april38 3 years ago
We as adoptee's carry no guilt, because we did nothing wrong and the only reason why we want and do return is to reestablish what was lost and reconnect to our people. That does not mean we leave the present people out of lives, but extended our boundaries in our search to belong where we were taken. I belong to a group in Seoul Korea who deal with many adoptee's, who have the same goal as I and who are not bitter, wanting to know everything they lost.
april38 3 years ago
I believe God puts a drive in each one us to know where and whom we came from. As for my destiny I'm walking in it now and Korea is a very big part of it. I live in the United States and I think this nation is more free than any other, my question again is why doesn't the U.S and your country Australia take care of there own children?
april38 3 years ago
Hi April - again thank you for your comments. For your edification here in Australia we in fact have almost a zero adoption rate because this country does in fact take such good care of single mothers through welfare payments, affordable housing and free medical and education systems in addition to three large non govt. welfare organsiations which give all the extras required for living. These mothers do not give up their children because they are a source of cash.
Rosesx2 3 years ago
This has been documented by social, media. welfare and political commentators in this country since the 1970s. Welfare has resulted in now third generational laziness and low self esteem in those receiving it. The children within these broken families have few if any positive role models and very few male references. This situation is the opposite of that in South Korea & simply does not'work'to everyone's satisfction either. So here we are on opposite sides of the globe each trying our best.
Rosesx2 3 years ago
Also rose when I return to Korea again I have "Koreans" ready to aid me in any way they can, so please stop this "good luck" for this and "good luck" with that. Give your Korean childrens countrymen alot more credit in their human kindness. Have you been to Korea recently? Have you experienced kind Koreans or is this all assumptions that we turn our faces to our own?
april38 3 years ago
I was in Seoul a few months ago and was treated well for the most part thankyou. Like anywhere there are good people and not so good. But hey you'd know this you've lived all over the world haven't you? Again I wish you goodluck and look forward to hearing your story upon your return to the US as you no doubt will to lead your comfortable family life - or are you planning to chuck it all in to move to Korea permanently perhaps? How will your American children deal with that? All the best.
Rosesx2 3 years ago
Rose,
My children are Korean too. Just because I don't agree with international adoption, I cannot change the family members in my life who are wonderful. Also there are Korean adoptee's who love their Americian or other nationality families.
april38 3 years ago
However for the most part when we grow up there is a inner drive in us to find who we are, that does not mean we stop loving our American families, but we need to fulfill where we came from. With that comes our opinions that leads us to this discussion board.
april38 3 years ago
Hi Rose,
I cannot see your comments even though I'm getting a notice that you have several. Even though, I like to say we can go around this mountain until doomsday and we will not agree. Also I think it's best in not arguing about this any furthur. I'm a mother as well and my attitude whether online or offline needs to display those attributes of a example in how to treat others.
april38 3 years ago
I do apologize if I have offended and hurt you in anyway.With that said God bless you and take care of those precious children..Be blessed :)
april38 3 years ago
I do apologize if I have offended and hurt you in anyway.With that said God bless you and take care of those precious children..Be blessed :)
april38 3 years ago
My Dear - I haven't bothered to respond to your last lot of nonsense. You are no longer on my radar so there is no hurt or offence taken - in fact I find your rants amusing as they're so revealing. Understandably in the first instance I thought you were genuine but now I realise you're unbalanced & can only wish you well. I hope you grow up soon so your kids don't turn out like you. Now sit back, relax & focus on them rather than yourself. [ALSO-search Sen. Paull Shin's website for some wisdom.]
Rosesx2 3 years ago
Rose,
I'm trying very hard to be respectful to you, however I would never stoop as low to demean other people's children because I don't agree with them. What my opinions are simply that. As a word of common courtesy and human decency never drag the innocent parties in such as children in your disgruntle notions, that is wicked and down right hateful. In doing that you are speaking out of angry and offensive instead of what your true opinion is and the purpose is to simply to be Mean.
april38 3 years ago
In sincerity my motivation was to be understanding to you and truly apologize, which I still stand on. However shame on you for even attempting to attack the integrity of my children whom you do not know. I'm floored that you as a adopted mother who chose 2 korean children would try to cut down in who we are.I'm appalled that you would even attempt to get to me through my children, they have nothing to do with our disagreement. That madam is seething in anger.
april38 3 years ago
Rose,
A word of Wisdom..Only Fools argue and I'm done :)
april38 3 years ago
Can't you understand English? You're dimmer than I thought. Go back & actually READ my comments & again good luck getting a job teaching English in Korea. I certainly don't demean your children! That's the last thing I would do. It's you who needs to stop thinking about yourself & focus on their needs now. Finally though I see there may be a little light for you at the end of the tunnel now you've announced you're going off the air. No more diatribe from you! Halleluyah-what a relief for us all!
Rosesx2 3 years ago
hiya Rose
I'mmmmm back..lol I run a business, and again the assumption of "Hope you find a English teaching job in Korea" is incorrect and is usually the Canadians, lol. Also you knew this, but added it anyhow for space I suppose. As for dimmer? Well my personal definition of "Dim" is people who cannot have a constructuion intelligence conversation without elementary tendencies of name calling, becasue the other party doesn't agree.
april38 3 years ago
Thought you were done?
Rosesx2 3 years ago
God bless you Rose and see you on our board! :)
april38 3 years ago
They let them go into the system and brush them aside while their own citizens go and adopt international, looking to care for others when they cannot take care of their own. As far as I know the U.S. or Australia does not provide their children for international adoptions, wonder why this is? I may be in error. My point is as I've stated again and again, kindly take care of your own children in your own country.
april38 3 years ago
What is sad to me is all the children needing homes local and I'm sure in your nation that do not get adopted and put in foster homes while "you" go over and above in international adoptions. Korea was wrong and still is wrong in giving our precious children to foreign nations, they need of their own as well. How can you take care of us when you don't care for your own first?Again I don't agree with your comment, however you have every right to state it. Best regards,
April
april38 3 years ago
What is disgusting to me is when (where I presently live which is in the south) the local channel has a adoption ad for children who need to be adopted within the city and you know what happens with that? Basically nothing, but I can tell you the people here have Korean and Chinese children that took a ton of effort to adopt and have left their own community children to the system. Again to the USA think about taking care of your own. International adoption is all the rage.
april38 3 years ago
I'm sorry to have to leave these messages in different formats, it only allows me limited characters. Anyhow recently in Belgium a public official adopted a precious Korean child, bringing her into their family and is sending her back, becasue she doesn't fit in. How horrifying, that is a disgrace to his country and their integrity.
Please do not assume in my posting there is hatred because I don't agree, that is not fair.
april38 3 years ago
One last thing, the assumption because people don't agree with others at times do not make them evil, but civil.
Also the notion because someone leaves a bold up front statement that has stepped on some toes does not mean those people have no comfort, healing or peace. That is in all honesty luducrious. As christians I think the world thinks we wimp down on things we have a passion about,to the contrary. I thank God continually for His goodness in my life and the healing He only could give:)
april38 3 years ago
Why was there not a aggressive back ground check on these nutcases who so deseperatly wanted a child???? Why was there not a pyschological test given to these people to gauge if they would even be quailfied? Why, why, why???? Is it because Korea around 1968 was such an impoverish nation that the United States and other prosperous contries were look upon as meal ticket for us korean childen? Why Korea did you not take responsiblity for your own children?
april38 4 years ago
It's about time Korean single mothers were
empowered to keep their babies and natural/birth mothers started organizing and speaking out against forced adoptions and postponed grief also known as post traumatic stress disorder or disenfranchised grief. Mothers from all over the world have suffered silently without a voice way too long
coercedmom 4 years ago 3
miss trenka, thanks so much for helping to organize the event, make the video and post it here!
tctuboo 4 years ago 2
I support you! I know what it is like to lose a child to adoption (US industry at work at home). I wish you the best in your efforts.
etayesterday 4 years ago
For those who don't have a clue, get one! jr0124 is right on the money. Did you know that 84% of adoptees are abused in some way? Fact not a figure I pulled out of a hat. Wonderful video, keep speaking out we are making progress!
murryduck 4 years ago
Why would anybody invest 30-75 thousand dollars on an adoption so they can abuse a child? Did you know in NY we went through 5 months of background checks including a home study and an FBI check before we became candidates.I would like to know where you got your statistics from? People who adopt often invest their life savings and all their free time to become parents because they love children. Not enough people use birth control and so we have many unwanted pregnancies. How sad!
karbar1127 4 years ago
I think this comment was insensitive to original moms and dads and grossly oversimplifies the issue. I would think that someone who benefits from the original parents' loss would express a little more compassion and respect. I believe that if you truly want to love the adopted child, you must find ways to love his/her original parents and reflect that love to him/her. I feel the same way about children of divorced parents. Love and respect for the other parents go a long, long way.
whiningpuker 3 years ago
Hi Karbar,
Why would you invest multi thousands of dollars on us international children, when I know in NY there are 1000's of children in your city and state who needed to be adopted? Why do you not care for your own? But you want to come rescue children in another nation while your own is thrown into the system. Puzzles me.
april38 3 years ago
I too support Korean mothers who are given no encouragement or support to parent their babies. In addition, I support poor mothers in America who are urged to place their babies because there is a market for them.
Gramto3 4 years ago 2
The young birth moms (I have spoken to as young as 14) and women who are drug addicts or just women who cannot afford to support themselves are left with no good choice but adoption. Why should the government help them when they were so irresponsible? If they practiced abstinence or protected sex until they were fit to be parents than they wouldn't be in this situation. The birth moms are lucky to find loving families to raise their children and help them through their pregnancies.
karbar1127 4 years ago
go go.. when does korea will finally be responsible for its people...
stand up... for our rights....
miheenathaliemoine 4 years ago
I'm not sure I understand the premise of this video..While I acknowledge the regret birth mothers may feel, I don't think it can be said that adoptees are any worse off now that they've been adopted. Moreover, arguably, they are much better off.
p.s. I am a Korean adoptee from 1971.
aking8488 4 years ago
Actually, according to the latest figures, adoptees account for between 2 and 5% of the US population. If they're so much better off than those who aren't adopted, why do they account for about 40% of the institutionalized population?
You can't know what a person's life would have been like if their mothers had been given the tools they needed to be able to keep them.
jr0124 4 years ago
I would like to know where you got your statistics from? Are these children brought up from birth by their adoptive parents? If they aren't then perhaps their birth parents who couldn't take care of them or foster agencies or being shuffled around by different family members is what messed up their lives. My husband was adopted from birth and soon we will do the same to help another unfortunate child. What a gift!
karbar1127 4 years ago
If I where king of the world, I'd pass a law that would place every child into a two parent family with a mother and father. Government can't provide this.
We adopted our daughter 7 and a half years ago. She's top in her class. She's the happiest little girl I know. She knows that she's adopted and is greatful for a birth mother who had the courage to do what is right.
heathersma 4 years ago
Oh Jane this made me cry so hard...
TheresaTheUngrateful 4 years ago
I support Korean Mothers who have lost their babies due to international adoption. I am a mother who lost her baby to the AMERICAN ADOPTION MACHINE
in 1966! I am against adoption of babies that HAVE MOTHERS WHO NEED SUPPORT FROM THEIR GOVERNMENTS!!!!!!!!!!
Gale Munde
galemunden 4 years ago 2