Downloading drivers? You'd also have to do that on a Mac! Reading manuals and clearing out trial software!?! That's the person's decision! Not the coputers. Mac is retarded trying to say stuff that sounds complicated to the average American idiot...
@iani103 u are retarded, mac are great, smple yet powerful and can craet high quality stuff, and are amazing only proble i have is that they are over prized but they last for their time.
Unfortunately that's not so. Their performance potential isn't anywhere near what a cheaper PC can accomplish. Their security is practically nonexistent, making Macs the most vulnerable machines on the entire face of the planet. Their hardware configurations are almost 2 years old, but their price tags are staggeringly high. Their internal components are the same as a PC, but they use much lower-grade parts (ie: mobile video cards, Hynix RAM, etc.) It's a lose/lose/lose.
PC's Suck;Macs don't...Mac's are 10x as fast;PC's are 10x slower...Macs have epic graphics;PC's don't...Macs don't get viruses...PC's do...Macs may run fewer run games, but they kick the PC's butt when they do run games... And I type this all on a completely wireless, PC smashing... speed of light, incredible iCandy... MACINTOSH
Only problem I have with PCs is I was building one and I wanted to use the internet with it. But I needed a total of seventeen drivers to use the internet. And how do I get those drivers? By downloading them off the internet. I ended up burning all that crap to a disk.
Windows 7 takes care of most of that for you these days with WIndows Update. Drivers can be found with a click of the button. Plug in any device, printer, or scanner, and it'll find it. I know what you're talking about, but these days, that's pretty much over.
The Mac Pro is an unmitigated disaster. At $4999 for the 12-Core version, it still gets beaten to oblivion by SR-2 Classified PCs running around $2999. Check the benchmarks. Of all Apple's systems, the Mac Pro is by far the biggest ripoff in the lineup, which is why it's facing the axe thanks to several years of atrocious sales figures. (source: AppleInsider)
Idiots!!!...it's Mac vs Windows, get it right already, there's plenty of morons saying "well i got a mac"? to which I have to say, well i have a mac, a windows and 2 other Linux distros on my Apple machine, after which there's a long pause followed by, "huh?" Man it makes that kid who advertised Dell for so many years, look so much more intelligent, than Apple users. And I like Apple PCs! but i don't like people who call a computer by it's OS. You can run a Mac on non-Apple platforms you know.
@stianjean The fact that you cant just open it up and change CPU, graphics card or anything like that and every thing is just dumbed down so even a monkey can use it.
@Wrestlingthemeremix You can upgrade ram and HDD. Not CPU or anything like that, no. But a Mac is more stable than a PC. And Apple chooses the hardware, and perfectly "sews" the hardware with the software so it just works. Some people don't have the need to put a new CPU or GPU since the Mac stays fast, even how much crap you've got on it.
And can you explain WHY and HOW it is "dumbed so even a monkey can use it"?
@stianjean I mean video lag.Videos like 10 hour nyan cat can lag.Also the pc can do all that .For video and photo editing we just need to buy a few things.They are the same .Expect one is for working.And one is for gaming.Also macs are pcs.I think you mean windows.
@MegaSonicKing I've heard something about MS owning the name "PC", I dunno. Anyways, lets say Windows then ;) Both can do pretty much the same, its just Windows has got some advantages and Macs have others. I think its pretty much personal preference wether you like Mac/OSX or Windows. I like OSX more than Windows, but I also own a Windows based computer.
I just hate all the trolling that comes up after videos like these. From both fanboyclubs. And I feel sometimes that I have to defend Mac...
Also incorrect. Upgrading an HDD in an iMac requires that you remove the entire screen. Not something I'd ever do, given Apple's notorious history of voiding warranties if you so much as sneeze on the thing. Apple doesn't "sew" anything. It uses the same components as PC manufacturers, with zero difference. Now ask yourself why Apple is charging $750 to upgrade 6GB of RAM to 16GB in an iMac. Are they using some sort of hyper-powerful RAM? It's generic brand.
@MaestroDraven I ment MacBooks. I did not include the iMacs, my fault.
The software(drivers or whatever) is much better to utilize everything the components has to offer. I tested (not through bencmarks, thats ridiculous) a 2.7GHz i7, 4GB RAM, 1GB GPU (Just formatted) PC and my 13" MacBook Pro Spring 2010 with a load of apps on it. Who was the fastest? The MacBook, normal use and playing WoW. That was my experience at least.
But hey, you like PC, I like Mac. Why argue? :) They are both good!
No disagreement there. But OS aside, you have to look at the cost effectiveness of the platform, which just isn't there. I don't mean to sound stuck up, but WoW is the worst example of a benchmark you can use to try and justify a Mac's performance. It's built on a 7 year old game engine that was designed to work on a multitude of low-range machines. If the software was designed to work better with hardware, then why are Macs getting beaten in benchmarks every single time?
@MaestroDraven The cost effectiveness is there, I really believe. I mean, hardware aside, the MacOSX is a superb OS (for me at least), and it never gets slow even after 1,5 years without formatting it, and I've got a lot of crap on it, I think... And just the amazing (to me) multitouch trackpad! And everything just works. Its a stable and effective computer.
Macs might be getting beaten in in benchmarks, but to me it doesn't prove anything really. It is the user experience that counts, to me.
@stianjean Totally agree with you. With a Mac, you start your work and you get it done. Smooth, quick an nicely, without problems and worry.
If you want to change hardware, you can just transfer the OS with all the personal "crap" and it works like it was clean installed on the new machine. I am using the same installation from about 2 years on a second Mac now and it is rock solid indeed.
@stianjean Your argument of OSX "remaining fast" is just plain stupid. Every piece of software "remains fast" for eternity. Programs don't have a mind of their own, and they don't decide to "get slow" after a period of time. You're probably basing that assumption on having owned an obsolete PC for many years, so its hardware was becoming faulty, and obviously it was giving you trouble. This happens with Macs as well if you didn't know. PC's are as "stable" as Macs and they're much more worth it.
@MaestroDraven The fight between OSX and Windows must only be on the OS, I think. I mean, no, you can't customize a Mac much, but there are people who do not need that kind of customization. That's the good thing with a Mac, it's stable and fast! I mean, its not a computer to play games on. You can play some, which actually works fine, but the gaming platform is PC.
For me, the best "argument" in this discussion is that a Mac just works. And you can make it so much more advanced than you think.
It does boil down to personal preference. From my point of view, I can do everything a Mac can do a faster, more efficient rate, and I paid much less for it. My expandability is limitless (really, you can only seriously upgrade a Mac Pro) and I know exactly what's going into the system. For Windows, it gives me what I want..versatility. That's a drawback to some who just want a system that works out of the box. Windows takes a bit more finesse to run, but I prefer it.
My PC was in one box. No "trial" software, there was the very few standard windows programs but thats it. What new drivers? Seriously who buys a new computer that has outdated content is dumb. Also ONE manual came with the box, but PCs are simple to set up, maybe not AS simple as macs but really you dont need a brain to set it up.
@AndrewDeLong Have you ever tried a Mac for more than 5 minutes? Or ever really tried one? The PC might have 3.2 GHz and the mac 2.4, but what's the point of a number when the 3.2 doesn't utilize what it should? I mean, Apple uses those components with less power, but they are optimized with OSX so that it is actually faster than the windows' 3.2.
PC guys are only thinking numbers, while Mac guys are thinking actual performance in use.
@stianjean Wrong. We have Macs and PC's at college that are both outfitted with Intel Xeon level CPU's, and Avid. The Macs are decent, but they don't even hold a candle to the PC's there.
And what's this bullshit about OSX using less CPU power? My PC has a damn good CPU, and in idle mode, I'm lucky if the OS uses even 5% of my Hyper threaded Quad Core. Hell, even when I'm rendering, I barely break above 60% usage.
Win 7 Professional is VERY good with power delegation.
@AndrewDeLong When it comes to the CPU, it means that OSX is specialized with the hardware. Apple uses a long time just perfecting the OSX and the hardware. That makes the OSX use the true power, lets say, of a 2.4 CPU, at least in user experience, not numbers. OSX is just so perfected, that is why I personally like Mac OSX Lion better than Win 7.
But, now, I've just been defending the Mac. I mean; Both of the OS's are good! Everything depends on the user. I prefer Mac, but I do own a PC too.
@stianjean Well, as much as I may not agree with you on OSX being "specialized" for the CPU, I can at least respect the fact that you're not being a dick about your choice of computer.
you are a rare (respectful) Mac user, and do not belong on these volatile forums.
If that were true, then Apple would hold a dominant upper hand in rendering and pipelining performance, both of which it loses very badly to Windows 7. As it stands, OSX has a slight.....*slight*.....advantage with desktop multitasking and small tasks, barely noticeable. Not a good sign for the "world's most advanced OS." There's a reason why Apple throws around empty catch-phrases like GCD and OpenCL. Because it has to, really, to keep up appearances.
My friend, the nature of my industry means that I use Macs on a regular basis, plus I parallel OSX on my home machine. I'm extremely familiar with Mac architecture, inside and out.
The point is, playing Skyrim on a Mac is an exercise in frustration. The game was meant to be enjoyed at high resolutions with all manner of graphical tricks turned way up. It simply isn't possible on a Mac, and I've heard all the excuses already. When a 2011 27" iMac can''t get past 28FPS in Starcraft II on High settings at 1680x1050, it CERTAINLY isn't going to tackle something like Skyrim at anything less than average.
@MaestroDraven Ok if you wan't a gaming computer buy an Asus or something. And you don't sound like you have used Macs on a regular basis. Dude use accept the fact that Macs are better than PCs in someways and PCs are better than Macs in other ways.
Whether or not I "sound" like I haven't used Macs or not is of no consequence. Fact is, I use them regularly, and I have OSX paralleled on my PC right now. Nothing is going to change that. Macs aren't better than PCs at anything. The best they can muster is equal, not exceed. There's nothing wrong with that, mind you. I'm not speaking from a fanboy's perspective. If you really sat down and analyzed the facts, they would be indisputable.
@MaestroDraven The computers are almost two different markets. People can use Macs for school work and if they want a computer without having to worry about anything (I know Macs crash and get viruses). PCs generally have higher specifications but that is because Windows is such a heavy OS so without it the system wouldn't be stable. It's all about preference, I can do everything a PC can do on my Mac at equal efficiency, and I'm sure people can do that with PCs. Lets just drop the argument.
You're...incorrect, but, you're on the right track. PCs don't need higher specs to run Windows. If that were so, then why could Snow Leopard only manage a fractional increase in multitasking over W7, and lose completely to W7 when it came to the heavy stuff? I'm not necessarily trying to argue with you, Insecur. I'm just trying to get you to understand the fundamentals between the two. You can't match a PCs performance, and you're paying way more to lag behind.
I have always said that if you want a test of computational power, try creating a 60 second Trapcode Form comp with 500 pixels on the X and Y axis, and 200 on the Z axis. Render the same thing on a Mac, and on a PC. I guarantee you, the Mac will stumble and lose the challenge. It's why I use a customized rendering workstation at work. It cost me $1500. To achieve the same results, my company would have had to deck out a $4000 iMac. That's lunacy.
@MaestroDraven What I'm trying to say is that in my opinion your not lagging behind. I just get mad when people are like "PCs are better because they can play all this stuff that requires you to have a good graphics card a proper amount of ram and a fast enough processor" when you can really just buy a gaming console for 200 bucks. And when people are like "Macs are cooler because they are" when they don't even give info to back the statement up. Arguing about this is pathetic.
I agree. But still, it's vitally important to know what you're buying, and why. The aforementioned PC power issue isn't only for games, for instance. From a workplace standpoint, the contrast is abundantly clear between the two platforms. I don't like the reality that I have to pay $4000 for a customized iMac, so that I can duplicate the power of my $1500 mid-range workstation, and still not have an SSD drive built in. That's inexcusable.
@viperxeon bootcamp ? you know windows works faster than a pc on mac osx or if you are a die hard gamer buy consoles and do computer stuff on a mac with great performance...
@yavuzeken How does Windows run faster on a Mac pc when all it translates to is the hardware? Macs cannot use the hardware in my current system but it is 3x better than all of Macs current offerings. Once again, Macs use the same hardware than a standard pc. In fact they probably came from the same factory.
It's more along the lines of building your own pc, I built a pc for $1400 (inc Razer I/O and a 23 inch monitor) but the mid range Mac is $1500 but the pc has 3-4x better specs.
@yavuzeken "If you are a die hard gamer buy consoles" Are you trolling? Consoles are the inferior, not to mention buying all consoles on the market and a basic PC will cost less than a gaming PC.
@Norocmorth when you don't sell half as many computers as microsoft, have no gaming consoles, and spend more and more time making new versions of the same phone that everyone 'has' to have, the marketing budget kinda falls short.
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Windows and osx both suck Osx is way to inderpowered (like one of those fake kiddy computers) and wintows tends to crash alot. But in terms of computers that windows wins:)
It tells a lot when people talk about "a computer vs another computer's operating system" (mac vs windows ... it's like comparing "my Nokia is better than your iOS system on iPhone").
Yes I like using Macs. I have play machines (PS3) separately from the machines I use for working.
It rarely matters. CNET pitted a 41000 PC against the $1999 iMac, and the iMac lost terribly in a Starcraft II benchmark test. I believe the numbers were 112 FPS for the PC on Ultra settings, and 28FPS for the iMac on High Settings. That's one degree lower, and it still couldn't keep up.
kk, Stop arguing about the fact that pc has better gaming. True it does, but what does gaming do? its an addiction that spoils your life.. wouldn't you rather be more productive and do something better?
@daviesman90 mac is a term most people use for apple computers and pc is for windows and vista and stuff. it isn't correct but 99% of computer users use it but that is right but i don't like where u could be going with that...
@andz012 I say Windows PC when talking about computers. Not calling a Mac a PC would kind of worrying since PC stands for Personal Computer and then you are saying that Mac's are not personal.
@m3rl1on more like windows ME or maybe even Xp but I somehow doubt that. Because my pc is up and running within a few minutes and I'm even running Vista which I admit kinda sucks compared to XP and windows 7
I am both Mac and PC but I will say when i setup vista i did have to install drives, erase the trail software and on Mac is was so simple but then windows 7 came and that was simple too so.... yea...
I am a Mac user and I am satisfied BUT these ads just suck. Does Apple really has to do this kind of stuff? Telling every time that Mac its sooo much better in everything, PC users are frustrated all the time, ...? I am kinda ashamed by this commercials...
no wonder i don't use pcs they seem like they never are working to full standard theyre slow and keep on using bloody anti virus sheeet. But macs don't run games!!!!!!!!!! whhyyy??
Because MACS were made primarily for designing, graphics work, photo editing, animations, and making music with that silly application and making videos that are a pain to edit.
(graphic design student here)
And since so few people have them compared to PC owners most games are not made in a MAC version only a PC version(WoW being the exception, I don't play it but I know some who do).
As for why no games for MAC, it is marketing 101 not a large enough audience to make it worthwhile.
You know why people use PC? Gaming. You know what the purpose of gaming is for? People who have too much time on their hands and don't know how to manage their time.
i have a Mac and i like it, others have a PC and like it, why is their this huge debate? your not gonna change somebody's opinion by arguing, everybody is entitled to their own opinion, however it is annoying when people say bad things about something that they don't understand or haven't used before.
You know why I hate Macs? They turn perfectly good people into stubborn apple idiots. They insist on wasting 3 times the money on a computer that they refuse to believe can ever have any type of error, just because Apple and their now proven FALSE GOD Steve Jobs say so. And then if a PC runs slower than a Mac, you use that as proof that Macs are better, when you only spent $500 on that crappy PC, and $2000 on that Mac. Why don't you get an Alienware M17x and compare that to a MacBook
@macsdestroypcs Not? Besides, it's not like apple never copied anyone else. Their OS is Unix based, they copied the Android notification system and put it in iOS5, not to mention they outright lie about stuff and mislead people.
@PoisonImpurity868 Why are all Windows fanboys bringing that up "games" is that seriously the only thing you can counter with. And no i'm not implying that the Windows platform isn't good for anything else, though i do imply that you don't know any other examples.
@EzeCoyote Do Macs support hardware upgrades? -Yes they do. Google: "Mac parts"
Do Macs allow you to repair them if they break? -Yes. How do i know, well I've upgraded Mac Pro's and IMac's, still don't belive me? Search on youtube.
Are Macs worth the price with the out of date hardware inside? I didn't know that i7 and i5 And DDR 3 memory was outdated :/
And that's not "outdated" per say, but you're paying WAY too much for it. You could get a PC for equal price and get a better processor, better graphics card and more RAM.
Well, unlike with a mac, with a PC I won't pay 2000$ for that empty white box.
Donkeygamers 23 hours ago
Downloading drivers? You'd also have to do that on a Mac! Reading manuals and clearing out trial software!?! That's the person's decision! Not the coputers. Mac is retarded trying to say stuff that sounds complicated to the average American idiot...
Jafachasama 1 day ago
anything in a white box is expensive :O
salamancaj2 1 day ago
I used to hate macs, until I got one.
acousticobdc 2 days ago
the funny thing is that Justin long has a PC
pigboy360 2 days ago
Crysis burned my friends MAC...
Kserijaro 3 days ago
Brown Box $799.99 White Box $999.99
cptamerica13 4 days ago
that is so true!
haugeaco 5 days ago 3
well I don't mind having Justin Long on my desk!:P
olbubblegum1992 6 days ago
Hmmmmm yea, I just bought a PC and I didn't have to do any of that, 15 mins and I'm here disproving steve "the borg king" jobs.
Rikudemyxdert 1 week ago
im not a fanboy but how many of the worlds supercomputers are macs , mac pros or imacs ? well no
megachin1234able 1 week ago
Ohh Apple
How silly you are trying to make stupid people buy your stupid overpriced products.
Oh wait? What? People in America buy the most Apple products?
Silly Americans :P
iani103 2 weeks ago 4
@iani103 u are retarded, mac are great, smple yet powerful and can craet high quality stuff, and are amazing only proble i have is that they are over prized but they last for their time.
jjj5006 1 week ago
@jjj5006
Unfortunately that's not so. Their performance potential isn't anywhere near what a cheaper PC can accomplish. Their security is practically nonexistent, making Macs the most vulnerable machines on the entire face of the planet. Their hardware configurations are almost 2 years old, but their price tags are staggeringly high. Their internal components are the same as a PC, but they use much lower-grade parts (ie: mobile video cards, Hynix RAM, etc.) It's a lose/lose/lose.
MaestroDraven 1 week ago
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PC's Suck;Macs don't...Mac's are 10x as fast;PC's are 10x slower...Macs have epic graphics;PC's don't...Macs don't get viruses...PC's do...Macs may run fewer run games, but they kick the PC's butt when they do run games... And I type this all on a completely wireless, PC smashing... speed of light, incredible iCandy... MACINTOSH
CJ9ELITE 2 weeks ago
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All of you guys say a flipping PC is better only because that's what you have... If only you were good enough to touch a Mac..... ;)
CJ9ELITE 2 weeks ago
Only problem I have with PCs is I was building one and I wanted to use the internet with it. But I needed a total of seventeen drivers to use the internet. And how do I get those drivers? By downloading them off the internet. I ended up burning all that crap to a disk.
insecur 2 weeks ago
@insecur
Windows 7 takes care of most of that for you these days with WIndows Update. Drivers can be found with a click of the button. Plug in any device, printer, or scanner, and it'll find it. I know what you're talking about, but these days, that's pretty much over.
MaestroDraven 2 weeks ago
@insecur Yeah.I Remember building my pc.
MegaSonicKing 2 weeks ago
Odd how I bought a new pc laptop earlier this year and all I needed to do was set up the office pack because I needed it for school.
Guess I must have forgotten my 11 other boxes at the store.
threeeyedmonkeydodo 2 weeks ago
love all the comments pc people have to say to try and make up for their low quality computers.
johnomanmo 3 weeks ago
@johnomanmo Say that to my pc with 32 gb of ram with a graphics card that can run skyrim bf3 and mw3 .And do work too.Thats not low quality.
MegaSonicKing 2 weeks ago
@MegaSonicKing and thats a fully upgrade 5k pc nice my mac pro has all that and is cheaper
johnomanmo 2 weeks ago
@johnomanmo Hows you graphics card update
MegaSonicKing 2 weeks ago
@johnomanmo
The Mac Pro is an unmitigated disaster. At $4999 for the 12-Core version, it still gets beaten to oblivion by SR-2 Classified PCs running around $2999. Check the benchmarks. Of all Apple's systems, the Mac Pro is by far the biggest ripoff in the lineup, which is why it's facing the axe thanks to several years of atrocious sales figures. (source: AppleInsider)
MaestroDraven 2 weeks ago
@MaestroDraven It's not even 12 cores. They're virtual.
UprootedEagle 1 week ago
There will always be fights over which is better and we clearly see this advertisement is bias to mac.
Cr4pSnip3r 3 weeks ago
its funny how true this commercial is
andj2009 3 weeks ago
the most money on a Mac goes in the Box, and PC on the PC....
xXPBSXx1 4 weeks ago
Liars.
robloxcallofduty4 4 weeks ago
Lists.
robloxcallofduty4 4 weeks ago
Idiots!!!...it's Mac vs Windows, get it right already, there's plenty of morons saying "well i got a mac"? to which I have to say, well i have a mac, a windows and 2 other Linux distros on my Apple machine, after which there's a long pause followed by, "huh?" Man it makes that kid who advertised Dell for so many years, look so much more intelligent, than Apple users. And I like Apple PCs! but i don't like people who call a computer by it's OS. You can run a Mac on non-Apple platforms you know.
syndrome666 1 month ago
It's funny reading all the comments of PC users on these. :D
alteregoAtlas 1 month ago
Come on PC users... lets face it.... Mac is just for dumb people.....
Wrestlingthemeremix 1 month ago
@Wrestlingthemeremix And what do you base this accusation on?
stianjean 1 month ago
@stianjean The fact that you cant just open it up and change CPU, graphics card or anything like that and every thing is just dumbed down so even a monkey can use it.
Wrestlingthemeremix 1 month ago
@Wrestlingthemeremix You can upgrade ram and HDD. Not CPU or anything like that, no. But a Mac is more stable than a PC. And Apple chooses the hardware, and perfectly "sews" the hardware with the software so it just works. Some people don't have the need to put a new CPU or GPU since the Mac stays fast, even how much crap you've got on it.
And can you explain WHY and HOW it is "dumbed so even a monkey can use it"?
stianjean 1 month ago
@stianjean Not fast enough to play Crysis 2 UHHHHH!!!!! And its not more stable than a windows computer if you know what you are doing.
Wrestlingthemeremix 1 month ago
@Wrestlingthemeremix Macs are not for gaming. Macs are for everything else.
stianjean 1 month ago
@stianjean You mean nothing right.
MegaSonicKing 1 month ago
@MegaSonicKing No. I mean everything.
stianjean 1 month ago
@stianjean Ahh yes you mean work and stuff.The pc and mac can lag with videos .meaning Pc:Gaming Videos/movies .Mac:Work/movies.
MegaSonicKing 1 month ago
@MegaSonicKing PC = Gaming.
Mac = Work, media, professional video and photo editing/making, chilling.
Yeah.
And, may I ask what you mean with lag? I know what lag means in gaming context, but what do you mean here?
stianjean 4 weeks ago
@stianjean I mean video lag.Videos like 10 hour nyan cat can lag.Also the pc can do all that .For video and photo editing we just need to buy a few things.They are the same .Expect one is for working.And one is for gaming.Also macs are pcs.I think you mean windows.
MegaSonicKing 4 weeks ago
@MegaSonicKing I've heard something about MS owning the name "PC", I dunno. Anyways, lets say Windows then ;) Both can do pretty much the same, its just Windows has got some advantages and Macs have others. I think its pretty much personal preference wether you like Mac/OSX or Windows. I like OSX more than Windows, but I also own a Windows based computer.
I just hate all the trolling that comes up after videos like these. From both fanboyclubs. And I feel sometimes that I have to defend Mac...
stianjean 4 weeks ago
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@stianjean "Mac = Work, media, professional video and photo editing/making, chilling."
I can see by your other comments that you're not a dick, so I'll try to be respectful here....
A PC can do all of that as well.
For work, there's MS Office (or, for free, Open Office)
For Media, there's...well...VLC, Media Player, Quick Time, & real player, just to name a few.
For Video editing, there's Premiere Pro and AVID
Photo? Photoshop.
Graphics/VFX? After Effects, 3DS Max, Cinema 4D, etc.
AndrewDeLong 4 weeks ago
@stianjean
Also incorrect. Upgrading an HDD in an iMac requires that you remove the entire screen. Not something I'd ever do, given Apple's notorious history of voiding warranties if you so much as sneeze on the thing. Apple doesn't "sew" anything. It uses the same components as PC manufacturers, with zero difference. Now ask yourself why Apple is charging $750 to upgrade 6GB of RAM to 16GB in an iMac. Are they using some sort of hyper-powerful RAM? It's generic brand.
MaestroDraven 1 month ago
@MaestroDraven I ment MacBooks. I did not include the iMacs, my fault.
The software(drivers or whatever) is much better to utilize everything the components has to offer. I tested (not through bencmarks, thats ridiculous) a 2.7GHz i7, 4GB RAM, 1GB GPU (Just formatted) PC and my 13" MacBook Pro Spring 2010 with a load of apps on it. Who was the fastest? The MacBook, normal use and playing WoW. That was my experience at least.
But hey, you like PC, I like Mac. Why argue? :) They are both good!
stianjean 1 month ago
@stianjean
No disagreement there. But OS aside, you have to look at the cost effectiveness of the platform, which just isn't there. I don't mean to sound stuck up, but WoW is the worst example of a benchmark you can use to try and justify a Mac's performance. It's built on a 7 year old game engine that was designed to work on a multitude of low-range machines. If the software was designed to work better with hardware, then why are Macs getting beaten in benchmarks every single time?
MaestroDraven 4 weeks ago
@MaestroDraven The cost effectiveness is there, I really believe. I mean, hardware aside, the MacOSX is a superb OS (for me at least), and it never gets slow even after 1,5 years without formatting it, and I've got a lot of crap on it, I think... And just the amazing (to me) multitouch trackpad! And everything just works. Its a stable and effective computer.
Macs might be getting beaten in in benchmarks, but to me it doesn't prove anything really. It is the user experience that counts, to me.
stianjean 4 weeks ago
@stianjean Totally agree with you. With a Mac, you start your work and you get it done. Smooth, quick an nicely, without problems and worry.
If you want to change hardware, you can just transfer the OS with all the personal "crap" and it works like it was clean installed on the new machine. I am using the same installation from about 2 years on a second Mac now and it is rock solid indeed.
Not to say that OS X really looks beautiful. :)
ShayeraHoll 4 weeks ago
@stianjean Your argument of OSX "remaining fast" is just plain stupid. Every piece of software "remains fast" for eternity. Programs don't have a mind of their own, and they don't decide to "get slow" after a period of time. You're probably basing that assumption on having owned an obsolete PC for many years, so its hardware was becoming faulty, and obviously it was giving you trouble. This happens with Macs as well if you didn't know. PC's are as "stable" as Macs and they're much more worth it.
grande1899 3 weeks ago
@MaestroDraven The fight between OSX and Windows must only be on the OS, I think. I mean, no, you can't customize a Mac much, but there are people who do not need that kind of customization. That's the good thing with a Mac, it's stable and fast! I mean, its not a computer to play games on. You can play some, which actually works fine, but the gaming platform is PC.
For me, the best "argument" in this discussion is that a Mac just works. And you can make it so much more advanced than you think.
stianjean 4 weeks ago
@stianjean
It does boil down to personal preference. From my point of view, I can do everything a Mac can do a faster, more efficient rate, and I paid much less for it. My expandability is limitless (really, you can only seriously upgrade a Mac Pro) and I know exactly what's going into the system. For Windows, it gives me what I want..versatility. That's a drawback to some who just want a system that works out of the box. Windows takes a bit more finesse to run, but I prefer it.
MaestroDraven 4 weeks ago
@cjulber lol, u have never used a real computer
InnocentEvil109 1 month ago
The coment below is fake!!!!!!
cjulber 1 month ago
My PC was in one box. No "trial" software, there was the very few standard windows programs but thats it. What new drivers? Seriously who buys a new computer that has outdated content is dumb. Also ONE manual came with the box, but PCs are simple to set up, maybe not AS simple as macs but really you dont need a brain to set it up.
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"If Mac users are more environment friendly than Windows users, why does Mac have a Trash and Windows have a Recycle Bin?"
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UdayBhargav1 1 month ago
@Allenrythe they don't use inderpowered things.
WINDOWS USER!!
Mac FTW!!!
MacBook
MacBook pro
MacBook air
apple8091 1 month ago
@apple8091
Lol.
a $2300 MacBook Pro is only ALMOST as powerful as my $1500 Windows Laptop.
a $1700 iMac actually JUST matches my $1500 laptop in power.
a regular MacBook is as powerful as the mouse pad on my $1500 laptop.
a MacBook Air is an underpowered piece of shit that cant even rank with the processing power that is housed in my $1500 laptop BATTERY.
In all facets, Macs are RIDICULOUSLY underpowered, given what you pay for them.
AndrewDeLong 1 month ago
@AndrewDeLong Have you ever tried a Mac for more than 5 minutes? Or ever really tried one? The PC might have 3.2 GHz and the mac 2.4, but what's the point of a number when the 3.2 doesn't utilize what it should? I mean, Apple uses those components with less power, but they are optimized with OSX so that it is actually faster than the windows' 3.2.
PC guys are only thinking numbers, while Mac guys are thinking actual performance in use.
You pay for what you get.
(The numbers are examples)
stianjean 1 month ago
@stianjean Wrong. We have Macs and PC's at college that are both outfitted with Intel Xeon level CPU's, and Avid. The Macs are decent, but they don't even hold a candle to the PC's there.
And what's this bullshit about OSX using less CPU power? My PC has a damn good CPU, and in idle mode, I'm lucky if the OS uses even 5% of my Hyper threaded Quad Core. Hell, even when I'm rendering, I barely break above 60% usage.
Win 7 Professional is VERY good with power delegation.
AndrewDeLong 1 month ago
@AndrewDeLong When it comes to the CPU, it means that OSX is specialized with the hardware. Apple uses a long time just perfecting the OSX and the hardware. That makes the OSX use the true power, lets say, of a 2.4 CPU, at least in user experience, not numbers. OSX is just so perfected, that is why I personally like Mac OSX Lion better than Win 7.
But, now, I've just been defending the Mac. I mean; Both of the OS's are good! Everything depends on the user. I prefer Mac, but I do own a PC too.
stianjean 1 month ago
@stianjean Well, as much as I may not agree with you on OSX being "specialized" for the CPU, I can at least respect the fact that you're not being a dick about your choice of computer.
you are a rare (respectful) Mac user, and do not belong on these volatile forums.
AndrewDeLong 1 month ago
@stianjean
If that were true, then Apple would hold a dominant upper hand in rendering and pipelining performance, both of which it loses very badly to Windows 7. As it stands, OSX has a slight.....*slight*.....advantage with desktop multitasking and small tasks, barely noticeable. Not a good sign for the "world's most advanced OS." There's a reason why Apple throws around empty catch-phrases like GCD and OpenCL. Because it has to, really, to keep up appearances.
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latinoalex5 1 month ago
i like doing all the stuff you have to do after a clean windows install but WHO THE FUCK WILL READ MANUALS?
billgatesxD 1 month ago
@billgatesxD
Mac people do.
Windows sort of works instinctively.
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Caldyyyyy 1 month ago
lol mac vs PC??? its mac vs WINDOWS you retarded apple ads!
sermerlin1 1 month ago
PC guy: Try out your built in camera? Make a home movie? Is that all you can do?
Mac guy: Yes..
PC guy: Right, once I finish downloading this video driver I'm playing Skyrim. Can your Mac run Skyrim?
Mac guy: No.. =[
*Mac guy cries in the corner playing with his built in camera*
viperxeon 1 month ago 16
@viperxeon Macs can run Skyrim.
insecur 4 weeks ago
@insecur
Not very well, however.
MaestroDraven 3 weeks ago
@MaestroDraven Yes, yes they can. Before you go hating try actually using a Mac.
insecur 3 weeks ago
@insecur
My friend, the nature of my industry means that I use Macs on a regular basis, plus I parallel OSX on my home machine. I'm extremely familiar with Mac architecture, inside and out.
MaestroDraven 3 weeks ago
@insecur
The point is, playing Skyrim on a Mac is an exercise in frustration. The game was meant to be enjoyed at high resolutions with all manner of graphical tricks turned way up. It simply isn't possible on a Mac, and I've heard all the excuses already. When a 2011 27" iMac can''t get past 28FPS in Starcraft II on High settings at 1680x1050, it CERTAINLY isn't going to tackle something like Skyrim at anything less than average.
MaestroDraven 3 weeks ago
@MaestroDraven Ok if you wan't a gaming computer buy an Asus or something. And you don't sound like you have used Macs on a regular basis. Dude use accept the fact that Macs are better than PCs in someways and PCs are better than Macs in other ways.
insecur 3 weeks ago
@insecur
Whether or not I "sound" like I haven't used Macs or not is of no consequence. Fact is, I use them regularly, and I have OSX paralleled on my PC right now. Nothing is going to change that. Macs aren't better than PCs at anything. The best they can muster is equal, not exceed. There's nothing wrong with that, mind you. I'm not speaking from a fanboy's perspective. If you really sat down and analyzed the facts, they would be indisputable.
MaestroDraven 3 weeks ago
@MaestroDraven The computers are almost two different markets. People can use Macs for school work and if they want a computer without having to worry about anything (I know Macs crash and get viruses). PCs generally have higher specifications but that is because Windows is such a heavy OS so without it the system wouldn't be stable. It's all about preference, I can do everything a PC can do on my Mac at equal efficiency, and I'm sure people can do that with PCs. Lets just drop the argument.
insecur 3 weeks ago
@insecur
You're...incorrect, but, you're on the right track. PCs don't need higher specs to run Windows. If that were so, then why could Snow Leopard only manage a fractional increase in multitasking over W7, and lose completely to W7 when it came to the heavy stuff? I'm not necessarily trying to argue with you, Insecur. I'm just trying to get you to understand the fundamentals between the two. You can't match a PCs performance, and you're paying way more to lag behind.
MaestroDraven 3 weeks ago
@insecur
I have always said that if you want a test of computational power, try creating a 60 second Trapcode Form comp with 500 pixels on the X and Y axis, and 200 on the Z axis. Render the same thing on a Mac, and on a PC. I guarantee you, the Mac will stumble and lose the challenge. It's why I use a customized rendering workstation at work. It cost me $1500. To achieve the same results, my company would have had to deck out a $4000 iMac. That's lunacy.
MaestroDraven 3 weeks ago
@MaestroDraven What I'm trying to say is that in my opinion your not lagging behind. I just get mad when people are like "PCs are better because they can play all this stuff that requires you to have a good graphics card a proper amount of ram and a fast enough processor" when you can really just buy a gaming console for 200 bucks. And when people are like "Macs are cooler because they are" when they don't even give info to back the statement up. Arguing about this is pathetic.
insecur 2 weeks ago
@insecur
I agree. But still, it's vitally important to know what you're buying, and why. The aforementioned PC power issue isn't only for games, for instance. From a workplace standpoint, the contrast is abundantly clear between the two platforms. I don't like the reality that I have to pay $4000 for a customized iMac, so that I can duplicate the power of my $1500 mid-range workstation, and still not have an SSD drive built in. That's inexcusable.
MaestroDraven 2 weeks ago
@insecur They like pc because they can mod it.Mod the games.
MegaSonicKing 2 weeks ago
@insecur imo macs tend to be more suited for video software :U
thats pretty much the main thing I hear most people use a mac for.. is video software.
Yenaboi 2 weeks ago
@insecur True.
MegaSonicKing 2 weeks ago
@viperxeon bootcamp ? you know windows works faster than a pc on mac osx or if you are a die hard gamer buy consoles and do computer stuff on a mac with great performance...
if you have money of course
yavuzeken 2 weeks ago
@yavuzeken How does Windows run faster on a Mac pc when all it translates to is the hardware? Macs cannot use the hardware in my current system but it is 3x better than all of Macs current offerings. Once again, Macs use the same hardware than a standard pc. In fact they probably came from the same factory.
It's more along the lines of building your own pc, I built a pc for $1400 (inc Razer I/O and a 23 inch monitor) but the mid range Mac is $1500 but the pc has 3-4x better specs.
viperxeon 2 weeks ago
@yavuzeken "If you are a die hard gamer buy consoles" Are you trolling? Consoles are the inferior, not to mention buying all consoles on the market and a basic PC will cost less than a gaming PC.
Ymgarl 2 weeks ago
@yavuzeken Console .LOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLO.No .Better graphics mods .All kinds of cool shit .Console .Normal graphics no mods.
MegaSonicKing 2 weeks ago
@viperxeon im playing skyrim in my mac :3
anbesadetox 2 weeks ago
Why does apple make the most retarded ads
Norocmorth 1 month ago
@Norocmorth when you don't sell half as many computers as microsoft, have no gaming consoles, and spend more and more time making new versions of the same phone that everyone 'has' to have, the marketing budget kinda falls short.
Timberwolf7585 1 month ago
@Norocmorth because they are not as good as windows...
darcro44istehname 1 month ago
Why is it that Apple assumes EVERYONE makes home movies? I use a Mac, but I don't make home movies!
shnunk1 1 month ago
Macs are ugly... :\
Damienasourus 1 month ago
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xDr4kxKILLERx 1 month ago
God I love these commercials. Lmao
TomFernandez78 1 month ago
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That's the reason that my mac started a little bit slow these day. It chatted with a PC= =
tsainm 1 month ago
I love my MacBook Pro. And the manuals are really not that necessary unless you're wanting to reinstall OS X Lion.
DexSwart 2 months ago
While mac is making movies, pc is playing games while downloading drivers.
RealCotcan 2 months ago
mac sucks!!!!!
Thehackmyworldprojec 2 months ago
its ironic cause macs have manuals too XD
Zompac 2 months ago
Manuals? Who reads the them?
jacknumber13000 2 months ago
Why are they fighting for second place? LINUX
TheXROMANX 2 months ago
@TheXROMANX Linux? whats that? It must not be very important since I've never seen a computer sold in stores that runs Linux.
chris978820 2 months ago
Let's not forget that if you want to upgrade your OS, you have to buy every incremental upgrade for a low low price of a couple hundred dollars.
bnbedits 2 months ago
Windows and osx both suck Osx is way to inderpowered (like one of those fake kiddy computers) and wintows tends to crash alot. But in terms of computers that windows wins:)
Allenrythe 2 months ago
With respect, Mac's day sounds rather boring, and I use both systems!!!
JESK1985 2 months ago
Omg this video is Sooo true.
WhiteLotusTile 2 months ago
MAC FTW
MAC PRIDE :DDD
168537ilovemusic 2 months ago
It tells a lot when people talk about "a computer vs another computer's operating system" (mac vs windows ... it's like comparing "my Nokia is better than your iOS system on iPhone").
Yes I like using Macs. I have play machines (PS3) separately from the machines I use for working.
maxibazz 2 months ago
when comparing mac vs window why do they use a cheap pc vs a thousand pound mac?! use a high spec pc and then see who wins :)
humayoun11 2 months ago
@humayoun11
It rarely matters. CNET pitted a 41000 PC against the $1999 iMac, and the iMac lost terribly in a Starcraft II benchmark test. I believe the numbers were 112 FPS for the PC on Ultra settings, and 28FPS for the iMac on High Settings. That's one degree lower, and it still couldn't keep up.
MaestroDraven 2 months ago
kk, Stop arguing about the fact that pc has better gaming. True it does, but what does gaming do? its an addiction that spoils your life.. wouldn't you rather be more productive and do something better?
callofdutyquickscopz 2 months ago
@callofdutyquickscopz Like watching Mac vs PC commercials on youtube?
ReflexEight 2 months ago
@callofdutyquickscopz what does gaming do?.... nice username then...
MrDOTBeaner 2 months ago
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@MrDOTBeaner lol, DAMN GOOD POINT
callofdutyquickscopz 2 months ago
Mac vs. Windows NOT Mac vs. PC.
daviesman90 2 months ago 72
@daviesman90 mac is a term most people use for apple computers and pc is for windows and vista and stuff. it isn't correct but 99% of computer users use it but that is right but i don't like where u could be going with that...
iamcats9 2 months ago
@daviesman90 Dude.. Windows is widely known as PC, it's the same thing. Do you hear Windows alot nowadays? I don't.
andz012 1 month ago
@andz012 I say Windows PC when talking about computers. Not calling a Mac a PC would kind of worrying since PC stands for Personal Computer and then you are saying that Mac's are not personal.
ThePhotory 1 month ago
@andz012 but Linux is also a PC .. dun dun dunnnnn
Nddesh 1 month ago
MACs open some things like office word for no reason, and are slow, and crash alot. -_-'
MsSpottedtalon1 2 months ago
Everytime i watch these i feel sorry for pc lol
damnwindows98 2 months ago
And you know the result of the PC and all of his boxes? A way more kickass computer than a Mac.
xmanxavier11 3 months ago
O.O i just plugged my pc in out of the box....
MrIPhonemaniac 3 months ago
@MrIPhonemaniac
What size was the box though? A shipping container? :-)
FirebrandNIRE 3 months ago
@FirebrandNIRE size of a normal box O.O
MrIPhonemaniac 3 months ago
@MrIPhonemaniac i charged mine and press the on button, worked pretty well for me
rabitman3000 2 months ago
i bet he is not windows 7
m3rl1on 3 months ago
@m3rl1on more like windows ME or maybe even Xp but I somehow doubt that. Because my pc is up and running within a few minutes and I'm even running Vista which I admit kinda sucks compared to XP and windows 7
chris978820 2 months ago
I am both Mac and PC but I will say when i setup vista i did have to install drives, erase the trail software and on Mac is was so simple but then windows 7 came and that was simple too so.... yea...
TheBiggerByte 3 months ago
"hi i'm a mac"
"and i'm a pc"
"and since we do everything through a browser now, we're pretty much indistinguishable"
ahh... xkcd
Salmon0fKnowledge 3 months ago 16
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I am a Mac user and I am satisfied BUT these ads just suck. Does Apple really has to do this kind of stuff? Telling every time that Mac its sooo much better in everything, PC users are frustrated all the time, ...? I am kinda ashamed by this commercials...
rejuco 3 months ago
no wonder i don't use pcs they seem like they never are working to full standard theyre slow and keep on using bloody anti virus sheeet. But macs don't run games!!!!!!!!!! whhyyy??
IRNBRU64 3 months ago
@IRNBRU64 I suggest you get a fisher price kids laptop. There retard friendly.
DemonAMVs 3 months ago
@IRNBRU64
Because MACS were made primarily for designing, graphics work, photo editing, animations, and making music with that silly application and making videos that are a pain to edit.
(graphic design student here)
And since so few people have them compared to PC owners most games are not made in a MAC version only a PC version(WoW being the exception, I don't play it but I know some who do).
As for why no games for MAC, it is marketing 101 not a large enough audience to make it worthwhile.
SamiWheeler 3 months ago
You know why people use PC? Gaming. You know what the purpose of gaming is for? People who have too much time on their hands and don't know how to manage their time.
sabrd 3 months ago
@sabrd cause they are rich and you are probably jealous of their money and their ability to have some free time?
VGMoney 3 months ago
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i have a Mac and i like it, others have a PC and like it, why is their this huge debate? your not gonna change somebody's opinion by arguing, everybody is entitled to their own opinion, however it is annoying when people say bad things about something that they don't understand or haven't used before.
M8Tty1694 3 months ago 2
wha.... i have a pc, i did not need to download any drivers or read any manuals... i even have a built in camera
Slash0mega 3 months ago
the only trial sofware i deleted from my laptop was norton anti virus
pokedude104 3 months ago
You could just build your own computer like a Ma- Hold on...
Birdiejb94 3 months ago
i took my PC out of the box, booted it, and was on the internet right away, no trial software at all, drivers up to date, whats apple's point again?
coolgra101 3 months ago
wait a minute... windows has a lot of applications to use and they could upgrade it... what is this vid all about?
volikoto 3 months ago
go go go mac
2011PeterProductions 3 months ago
yay mac
MrPinkBMX 3 months ago
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You know why I hate Macs? They turn perfectly good people into stubborn apple idiots. They insist on wasting 3 times the money on a computer that they refuse to believe can ever have any type of error, just because Apple and their now proven FALSE GOD Steve Jobs say so. And then if a PC runs slower than a Mac, you use that as proof that Macs are better, when you only spent $500 on that crappy PC, and $2000 on that Mac. Why don't you get an Alienware M17x and compare that to a MacBook
aGruntNamedYayap 3 months ago
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aGruntNamedYayap 3 months ago
The PC looks more professional to me.
SirBlendalot 3 months ago
Loll
MegaValture 3 months ago
Hold space and say LoLlipop (aliens)
TheGeoSlayer 3 months ago
Ever notice only MAC Fanboys post these videos?
JieriCian 3 months ago 2
I like reading all the comments of mac users and PC users fighting
LaughOutLoudKristina 3 months ago
Why does the Mac remind me of kevin rose?
thatguy5229 3 months ago
i'm watching this on a PC ';. D
ThePaalanBoy 3 months ago 166
@ThePaalanBoy me to
Gangaswan 2 months ago
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mac is only better if u're a complete dumbass if it comes down to technology
themanuel08v2 3 months ago
I built my PC...
NO BOX FOR ME!
0oDarkLordRevano0 3 months ago
Since Windows copies all of macs ideas I think it's safe to say Apple's better.
macsdestroypcs 4 months ago
@macsdestroypcs Not? Besides, it's not like apple never copied anyone else. Their OS is Unix based, they copied the Android notification system and put it in iOS5, not to mention they outright lie about stuff and mislead people.
Titanz91 3 months ago
@macsdestroypcs a lot of programs only support pc. and i mean a lot.
LikeTheBang 3 months ago
LMAOOO Mac just made fun of them selves in this video
methodman3211 4 months ago
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eon5700 4 months ago
mac cant play terraria D:
skatebug 4 months ago
Wnen Mac cam i broken, you have no cumputer till it will return reapired, but when pc cam i broken only part you are missing is cam...
t1czer 4 months ago
You, Mac sucks, but the iPod, iPhone, and even the iPad are good. Apple should become all mobile.
ComedyStanCam 4 months ago
You know whats in PC's other boxes? All his games.
PoisonImpurity868 4 months ago 135
@PoisonImpurity868 Why are all Windows fanboys bringing that up "games" is that seriously the only thing you can counter with. And no i'm not implying that the Windows platform isn't good for anything else, though i do imply that you don't know any other examples.
Xaeleep 3 months ago
@Xaeleep Do Macs have a free movie-making program, like how Windows has WMM, without it being a trial version?
IdentifiableUser 3 months ago
@IdentifiableUser ILife is included for free on every Mac ;) Try again...
Xaeleep 3 months ago
@Xaeleep Do Macs support hardware upgrades? Nope.
Do Macs allow you to repair them if they break? Nope.
Are Macs worth the price with the out-of-date hardware inside? Nope.
EzeCoyote 3 months ago
@EzeCoyote Do Macs support hardware upgrades? -Yes they do. Google: "Mac parts"
Do Macs allow you to repair them if they break? -Yes. How do i know, well I've upgraded Mac Pro's and IMac's, still don't belive me? Search on youtube.
Are Macs worth the price with the out of date hardware inside? I didn't know that i7 and i5 And DDR 3 memory was outdated :/
Xaeleep 3 months ago
@Xaeleep I was talking mainly Macbooks, but okay.
And that's not "outdated" per say, but you're paying WAY too much for it. You could get a PC for equal price and get a better processor, better graphics card and more RAM.
EzeCoyote 3 months ago