Re: Jesus is Mithra? Part 1

[MrDeisenhower]

Jesus is seus zeus jesus 666read the yahuwshua org text

[Paahau]

Another muslim trying to put down Christianity because it represents the West to them. Let's take a look at the Koran which was written 600 years after the Old and New Testament and borrows many characters from those books, like Jesus, Mary, Adam and Eve, Abraham and so forth. Talk about ripping off the pages of others faiths! This is just another muslim attack against America. Question their faith in an Islamic country and they'd cut your head off if they could. This group isn't right.

[webdawah]

@Paahau "Another muslim trying to put down Christianity because it represents the West to them."

How did you come to that conclusion?

[Paahau]

@webdawah I'm taking this as an honest inquiry. There have been a tremendous influx of videos on YouTube whose main purpose is to discredit the Christian faith. A very high percent of these videos are coming from muslims, like yourself. Christianity and the West are the same to many of that faith. Many others are beginning to become aware of this trend. If I see an anti Christian video made under the pretense of an honest investigation I check the author and most always find they are muslim. why

[webdawah]

@Paahau So, your assumption is that there are no Muslims who are originally from the West?

[Paahau]

@webdawah No, just that the majority aren't from the West. That the majority view the West as the Great Satan, and that this view could be held even by Muslims living in the West. But whether from the west or not isn't the point, it is this constant stream of videos set out to discredit a faith associated w/the West. If these attacks are not a coordinated effort they are at the least driven by similar motivations. I don't appreciate it anymore than you would if the attacks were on your faith.

[webdawah]

@Paahau I don't know how you make the connection between the West and Christianity. I believe it is a religion that started in the Middle East, not the West.

I don't attack Christianity, I don't believe in it, and I don't see anything wrong with debating the issues.

[Paahau]

@webdawah Your first statement is terribly naive or what, deceptive? You weren't aware that Christanity is strong in the USA? If you made a video w/the sole purpose of undermining the Christian faith you are indeed attacking it. You are correct it is fine to debate the issues, I just wish you folks were a bit more upfront with your agenda, & stating your faith, and even your motivations. That would be showing quite a lot of yourself I know. Does that make sense?

[webdawah]

@Paahau So what if Christianity is strong in the USA? It is popular in Africa too. What's your point?

No video appears on youtube in a vacuum. Every video can be traced back to a channel, and you can in most cases have an idea about who is responsible for the video.

It doesn't matter what the motivations are. If the issues are raised, they ought to be dealt with. There are many videos against Islam on youtube as well, from people of your religion. I don't see you whining about that.

[Paahau]

@webdawah You are right, if issues are raised they need to be dealt with. I see a real issue with Muslims and your ridiculous videos that hope to discredit the faith of Christanity. I point this out and you don't like it. That isn't whining. I don't see much anti Islamic videos on YouTube, but perhaps they are there. One person posts videos showing the many contridictions in the Koran. Interesting, you might like to see it. Oh well, I think we're finished.

[webdawah]

@Paahau I don't hope to discredit Christianity, I don't give it any credit to begin with. If you want to talk about contradictions, don't even mention the Bible. It is credited with being the book of any faith with most contradictions.

All, and I mean all purported contradictions in the Qur'an have been dealt with. If you are willing, you will see it.

[Paahau]

@webdawah Yes the Bible is filled with contridictions. Through the ages people have attempted to smooth out these blemishes. Some explanations are quite a stretch, even ridiculous. These same type people have worked to explain away the contridictions of the Koran, It isn't the explanations, it is faith that sees either book as actually being the Word of God. You have no faith in the Christian God, I have none in Allah. So of course we don't hold each others 'bible' up as being Holy and true.

[webdawah]

@Paahau I can't make any sense of your comment. I don't believe there is a Muslim or Christian God. I believe there is only one God.

[Paahau]

@webdawah It was for the sake of showing two different beliefs that I describe two gods. Of course one true God would make the other a figment of someones imagination, a manmade creation. You believe in one god, Allah, who is the god of the Islamic faith that Muslims follow. Is that clear? God the father and Allah share some common qualties, i.e. merciful, loving, bringing justice,holy. I see the countries that are Islamic and they are oppresive, intolerant, no real freedom of expression, etc

[webdawah]

@Paahau I can apply the same yardstick to the USA, or the West as you like prefer. Which of the countries of the West apply the commandments of God in the Bible especially in criminal cases to their constitution? If there's any, what laws?

[Paahau]

@webdawah The U.S. is not a Christian nation rather a nation where one is free to express their faith. Christanity is the majority faith in the U.S. That means that while the Bible does influence, it is not the law. Can you understand that? Your cutting peoples arms off for theft of bread, killing women for showing their faces in public, protecting men who take 10 year old girls as 'wives', killing people who question their faith or change beliefs, has nothing to do w/God, & honors no one.

[webdawah]

@Paahau "Your cutting peoples arms off for theft of bread, killing women for showing their faces in public, protecting men who take 10 year old girls as 'wives', killing people who question their faith or change beliefs, has nothing to do w/God, & honors no one."

I will address your allegations one by one.

Theft in Islam by someone who can afford the item stolen is punished by amputation of the person's right hand. What is it for Christianity?

[Paahau]

@webdawah There is no set criminal code in the New Testament. There are in the Old but we are not under the Old Law. The Christian influence is a mix of mercy and judgment. The court looks at past offenses, severity of the crime, were people hurt or threatened, and the mental condition of the individual. Human beings are given a worth that I don't see in Islamic law. A man is worth more than a loaf of bread. The punishment fits the crime. But a crime against society is addressed/punished.

[webdawah]

@Paahau So, God according to the Bible does not have laws? How do you know right from wrong, and who dictates it, since you are no longer under a law?

[Paahau]

@webdawah You have come across as intelligent, zealous, and informed. But then you make statements such as this.

The N.T. does not have a set criminal code. i.e. cut off a man's hand for stealing. The laws of the land comes from the courts which are influenced and guided by a sense of human dignity, responsibility, human worth, accountability, so forth. Influnces of the N.T. These laws have traveled many centuries & been modified many times. What you demand does not exist on earth.

[webdawah]

@Paahau I know exactly what I am asking you. Your position is that God points out right and wrong to us, gives laws and punishment for a while, then withdraws from it so that our own punishments replaces His. I do not agree with that, neither do I believe it to be accurate.

[Paahau]

@webdawah I know this is going nowhere ..Your position is that Allah/God, through an angel, told one man, Mohammed what the faith of Islam is, and had him write it down making the Koran. That writings regarding Mohammed's habits, thoughts, etc were written down, the Sunnah, and from the two books you have God's/Allah's law? I certainly believe this to not be true. It seems almost void of spirituality. It is you w/the truth and the rest of the world evil infidels? Are you honest, to ALL people?

[webdawah]

@Paahau You are not correct in your understanding of Islam... and that reveals a lot.

I honestly don't know where to start educating you from.

[Paahau]

@webdawah The experience of Islam through living & being brought up in a culture saturated w/it, & to see it with faith will always be out of my reach. Same true with you & Christanity. You know it only through the filters of your faith. The faith lived in true spirituality is beautiful and true. When people wrap Christ in the flag they are neither good Christians or patriots. The latter group is more fanatic, angry, hateful if not like them. The former are worshipping and in touch w/God.

[webdawah]

@Paahau You don't know me or my upbringing. Neither do you know why I chose Islam over other religions I have studied. The first thing I was actively taught about religion is that Jesus(pbuh) was the son of God. I have a mind of my own.

[Paahau]

@webdawah I didn't mean to imply you were a puppet, but that your experience of the Islamic faith is, at this point, so familar, and saturated in your cultural & personal life that it would be impossible for me to 'know' or see the faith as you do. O.K.? The videos posted by muslims to discredit Christanity are mostly dishonest. Research on Horus, MIthras etc. reveals this. Why try and make Islam look better by making other faiths smaller through lies? Serious question. Where are your morals?

[webdawah]

@Paahau I did make a video connecting these dots, I am yet to see ONE refutation of it. You are welcome to refute it in a video.

[delagrazia]

@webdawah knowledge of right +wrong is inherent 2 man .The law is "written"in your heart .(and if wasnt,but someone else had to tell u what is right then there would be no unioversal right but each man would have his own and in that case no god or prophet could come+tell me what right is ,coz would be its right+wrong not mine ,furthermore to punish me for not doing it)Cristianity is not a court its a way to reach God.

I m amazed that u agree that someones hand should be cut off for theft

[webdawah]

@delagrazia What do you propose to be the retribution for theft?

[webdawah]

@paradiselostful /watch?v=efQZW3efP_E

[TheWolfChant]

what ties it all together is the official church position as to why the story of Jesus so closely resembles the stories of the previous gods Mithra and Horus. The church decided that the Devil deliberately created those previous gods so that when Jesus did arrive the people would have doubts.

[milikoss]

Jesus isnt mithra, mithra is sol invictus.

[deadtoo]

Jesus is NOT Yahushua. Jesus is a pagan construct. Yahushua is not.