Novartis CEO's hunting lodge destroyed

[tamiyaboy100]

yes go burn the fukers lodge down these guys are awseome

[Usuck573]

stupid animal rights terrorists cant even burn down a house..... ._.

[KevinDolin]

You people are idiots. Chances are, every single one of you has taken a drug or used some treatment that improved your quality of life and was only able to exist because of animal testing.

You're all hypocrites.

[Soulisscool]

@KevinDolin And you are you ignoring all the catastrophes and disasters of prescription drugsas if they're not happening!! How foolish of you. an ever increasing number are deciding to avoid prescription drugs possibly because of experiencing some side effect or another, and some very serious reactions at that, including being born with deformities and even fatalities. How stupid and ignorant you are to ignore them and diss those of us that have the common sense to learn from it.

[KevinDolin]

@Soulisscool You are a moron. I mean, really, seriously, idiotic.

People die from food poisoning. LETS ALL STOP EATING FOOD.

People drown when they go swimming. STAY OUT OF THE WATER.

People get hit by lightning. NEVER GO OUTSIDE EVER AGAIN.

Are these the solutions you propose? You're an idiot.

[Soulisscool]

@KevinDolin Attack me personally, is that it? Thats not a very good argument is it? They say attack is the best form of defence only when you have no real argument.

I didnt propose any of those silly things did I? you did...so you're calling yourself an idiot. ha ha

Prescription drugs have dangerous side effects. That is an undeniable FACT. There is documented evidence of the failures and harm they have caused to humans worldwide. Whilst you attack others personally, you won't learn much.

[KevinDolin]

@Soulisscool Calling you a moron is not a personal attack, it's a statement of fact. You are a nitwit who doesn't know what he's talking about.

I am a doctor. You are an internet idiot with more opinions than brains. These aren't personal attacks, they're facts. Go spread your idiocy elsewhere.

[Soulisscool]

@KevinDolin How on earth can it be a statement of fact? ha ha

You're Dr?....hmm and so what if you were? Does that mean Drs are never wrong? I think a lot of patients would disagree with that. Many Drs have come out and spoken against animal research! Guess youre not a progressive thinking Dr eh? How many times have I got to say it, It's not my opinion, its documented facts & figures, thought you would know about them being as you're a Dr? I seem to know more about it than you.

[KevinDolin]

@Soulisscool Who said doctors are never wrong? Doctors can be as wrong as anyone else.

But when a doctor is arguing about medicine with a random idiot who isn't even qualified to discuss medicine, the random idiot is far more likely to be the one who is wrong.

You are the random idiot.

[Soulisscool]

@KevinDolin Where have you argued about medicine? Youve said NOTHING about it. Youve not responded about any of the many failures, serious side effects, fatalities, birth deformities, thalidomide, seroxat, avandia, catastrophic TGN1412 (elephant man) trials.. ! all youve done is name call, leave that for the playground, it's not for adult conversation!! I wont answer again unless you actually have something of value to say!

[KevinDolin]

@Soulisscool What is there to argue about regarding side effects? Medications have side effects. Everyone knows this. This is common knowledge.

The fact that some medications will have negative side effects for some says nothing about the good they do for everyone else.

When medications are found to have an overall negative effect, which is incredibly rare nowadays, they are banned from the market.

What is your point?

[Soulisscool]

@KevinDolin I made my point clearly. You have said nothing relevant or responded about specifics and you still havent. All you've done is attack me, some argument eh? There's far too many very serious side effects for them to be dismissed. Shame on you. Theyre brushed under the carpet but research reveals horrors! Youve chosen to ignore fatalitites, typical, also TGN1412 trials which showed that animals react totally differently to humans. Testing on animals shows how animal react, not humans.

[KevinDolin]

@Soulisscool Frankly, you aren't worth the effort. You've already demonstrated that you don't understand the issue and you'd rather hear your own hyperbole than actual facts.

I'll rest secure in the knowledge that nobody with any authority on the issue takes you or your kind seriously. You're part of a fringe group of ill-informed nutcases who have no authority and your opinions are inconsequential.

[Soulisscool]

@KevinDolin ha ha Nice try at turning it around....ha ha

You havent offered ANY arguments whatsoever because you havent GOT any! Take 'my kind' seriously??? ha ha ha ! Youre speaking of a variety of highly esteemed world experts who have put forward extremely valid and vital arguments appertaining to the health of the public. They are already being considered seriously!! This is just another example of your total lack of knowledge & the real reason why you have said NOTHING of any import!!!!

[simonOVC]

good job!!! smash hls!!!!

[Owlhousespecial]

WOO. success is targeting the evil evil people who support it and work there.

[eloise634]

what?!

[ArcanineTheFurry]

lol. Bunch of ALF pussies. They don't have the balls to face us in person. Why do you cowards continue to hide? Janet Jackson has more balls than you bozos. Oh yeah, I almost forgot. A bunch of ALF clowns have been arrested and convicted and are now bubba's new butt buddy at ass rape inn. :3. ALF=EPIC FAIL

[turboskillz]

Yeah you're a dickhead. Bring some respect to who defends life u piece of shit. Yea, life that u wouldnt deserve.

[ArcanineTheFurry]

@turboskillz

LOL. What are you going to do about it? I already killed several animals in Honor of the ALF. I will kill another just for you and you can't stop me :) XD HAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHA­HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHHAHHAHAHA

[turboskillz]

You lost in life, thats the reason for all that hate : )

Youre a loser and u know it, just accept it XD

[ArcanineTheFurry]

Is that all you can do? Call me names. I could care less what you say. I already killed a cute squirrel with my .54 ACP. There is not a thing you can do but call me names. Lame

[loonmaniac]

Violence begets more violence.

[phishfinder]

They're animals people... We eat em, we use em' to make medicine.

Get over it you eco-freaks....

[Soulisscool]

You need to educate yourself. Watch The dog Whisperer, wildlife progs, to get an understanding of animals, you simpleton.

[Glendale1835]

Sorry 95ellington i dont understand your comment regarding the quote "human violence" where or when did an animal rights groups ever harm any one? They do not target humans only property

[95ellington]

You break my window I would be pissed, how about burning my house?

your were saying?

[Glendale1835]

Thats correct norvatis have not worked with HLS for couple yrs now but they still refuse to make a statement saying they will never use them again, thats why the animal rights people still target them.

From the animal rights point of view if you torture animals and profit from it ,in return you have to expect a reaction and due to police not allowing peaceful demos now it only pushes these activists to go that 1 step further for there cause.

[MSK120]

If only the cops had gotten therein time to arrest the eco-terrorists!

[pooupyournose]

Good job guys, that bastard got what he deservs

Until All Are Free!

[95ellington]

This is eco-terrorism, I dont support them at all, must be charge as violence against private property and jailed.

[m0bi]

What do you think about the Boston Tea Party?

[Soulisscool]

Do you hold that view no matter what they are supporting? Even if they are supporting gross animal cruelty?

[95ellington]

Why, you rather support human violence?

You tell me which one is a bigger crime.

[Soulisscool]

It was done to stop the crime done to helpless animals.

Do you think that cruelty should be allowed to happen then?

Causes throughout history have been fought in the same way, unfortunately its shown to be the only thing that works.

[95ellington]

I dont know about you, but im an everyday Joe. If you torch my house ill be pissed too.

But you are torching houses in the name of animals, wtf is wrong with you people? We eat them as food, hell I just had a subway buffalo chicken sub this morning. I dont see anyone making a fuss about it.

[Soulisscool]

Yeh I'd be piised if you torched my house if I had done nothing wrong.

Novartis on the other hand do a lot wrong. Testing on helpless animals is unbelievably cruel and I think it''s right to fight it, plus it is bad science and dangerous to humans too. That's not just my opinion, it is based on facts & statistics. See safer medicinces. If the public knew all the facts I don't think anyone would support vivisection!

[Soulisscool]

yeh I'd be pissed if I had done nothing wrong. Novartis on the other hand do a lot wrong. Testing on animals is unbelievably cruel and I think it is perfectly understandable that people will fight it. Testing on animals is bad science and harms humans and that's not just my opinon it is based on facts and statistics, see Safer Medinces.

Really, you aren't aware that people are vegetarains or vegans then?

[95ellington]

yeah, but I dont care, they eat their veggies and I eat my meats. Whats wrong with that?

Hell, people can eat cement if they are crazy, not my problem.

I dont work with animals my self so I frankly dont care about what other people do it.

Violence never solve the problem, and since its not my problem, I dont give a damn. As long as the problem is not on my door step, its not there for me to begin with.

[Soulisscool]

Research it like I & many others have and you'll find out whats wrong with it.

Violence is sometimes the only way to solve the problem, history has proved that.

It IS your problem and it IS on your doorstep, like I said research it.

[95ellington]

Ill do something when its at my door step, as of now. Dont care.

[Soulisscool]

Research the meat & dairy industry if you want to know whats wrong with it. It involves unthinkable cruelty & brutality to animals.

In history after negotiations failed, violence has always HAD to be used & used effectively, resulting in changes for the better that we all benefit from. I wish people would check history before they speak..

The problem IS on your doorstep when you consider all the anti-biotics, growth hormones & even arsenic that can be given to animals is entering your body!

[loonmaniac]

So how many animals were saved by burning some guy's property? How many?

The answer is none.

[Soulisscool]

Oh for goodness sake it is not instantaneous, it's for future benefit. Get some long term vision...Check out history to see how violence has always had to be used to achive benefits for the future.

[loonmaniac]

Future benefit, huh? Bullshit. The guy is richer than Croesus, so all he'll do is build another lodge somewhere else with tons of security devices and hire armed guards, maybe.

Net benefit of doing this? Zero.

Net benefit to the clowns who did this? More charges in court so they'll have more time to get raped in the showers when the authorities catch up. and they will, eventually, they always do..

[Soulisscool]

Would you have said all this about other causes in our history too? including the suffraggettes? that their actions wouldnt have any benefits? well, you'd have been wrong about that too wouldnt you?

It is unfortunate, but history has shown that it has sometimes been the only way to have an impact when negotiations are ignored.

You need to look at the bigger picture and have some vision for the future.

[loonmaniac]

When did the suffragettes burn people's private property down?

[Soulisscool]

Firstly, I was speaking about more causes in history than just the suffragettes but they did destroy property too. It's economic damage to illicit changes for the better.

The main difference in these two causes is that the suffragettes were getting women a vote, whereas this cause involves senseless cruelty to animals and harm caused to humans as well.

[loonmaniac]

That's apples and fucking oranges. C'mon.....

[Soulisscool]

I think you are just missing the point., possibly deliberately.

[KevinDolin]

@Soulisscool I don't think you know what "senseless" means, so maybe you shouldn't use the word.

There is sense behind the testing, people like you are often just too stupid to understand it.  They aren't testing animals because it's really funny and they just want to have fun.

They're testing animals as part of government requirements so that new drugs and treatments can save many more lives down the road.

You're an idiot.

[Soulisscool]

@KevinDolin Are you aware it is the opinion of many professional highly esteemed experts worldwide!! They tell us that there's NO sense behind animal testing because animals are biologically, physiologically & anatomically different to humans & so don't react the same as humans. The documented failures is more evidence. You're just incapable of change & have no vision for relevant testing to give us SAFER medicines!

Prescription drugs are the 4th biggest killer in the Western World.

[KevinDolin]

@Soulisscool You are really quite the moron. I would suggest you stop being so naive and easily lead by others. Acquire an education on these subjects and you'll quickly realize what a fool you've been.

[Soulisscool]

@KevinDolin Of course I'm not a moron, because I am listening and paying attention to experts that have vast experience & knowledge who do not have any financial interest.  The documented FACTS and STATISTICS of continuing medical failures & fatalities worldwide speak for themselves! AND prescription drugs are the fourth biggest killer in the western world whether you are aware of it or not. On the other hand you seem to be listening to those that have a financial interest, is that wise?

[KevinDolin]

@Soulisscool I'm listening to research, which I am academically qualified to interpret. You're listening to propaganda that you don't even possess the capability to correctly understand.

[Soulisscool]

@KevinDolin Well, I think you have just demonstrated your mentality by REPEATING the same old same old... ie propaganda...ha ha ha

How can well respected world experts opinions who have direct experience including for starters.. professors, Doctors, ex vivisectors eand on and on be dismissed without any thought like you have? Thats utterly absurd and goes to show how brainwashed you are.

[Soulisscool]

@KevinDolin Incidentally, do you, personally, have any financial interest then being as you said you are 'academically qualified'?? That would explain a lot.

It has been said "there are two tyes of people that support vivisection, those that have a vested interest and those that do not know enough about it". That is not the exact wording, but it's very close and its very true.

[loonmaniac]

You're a motherfucking terrorist. I hope you get cancer and refuse treatment and die a painful death because cancer drugs are obtained by animal testing.

[Soulisscool]

Very apt screen name.

What you have said is inaccurate to say the least!

Are you aware that prescription drugs are the fourth biggest killer in the western world. Don't take my word for it, check out the statictics, facts and figures. How many decades and billions of taxpayers money have they 'researched' cancer and still NO CURE...Cancer has been cured in mice for decades but it is not transferrable to humans. Testing on animals tells us about animals.

[loonmaniac]

Testing on animals tells us about mammals. I hope you have relatives with cancer, because that makes them animal killers too, and you as well by extension.

[Soulisscool]

What?? Dont you even question why there isnt a cure after decades of so called 'research' on animals?? It's not working! Animals are physiologically, biologically and anatomically different to humans. Even humans have different reactions to drugs, so how on earth can we trust a completely different species? Animal testing kills. Don't you want real medical progress that's already available and means relevant & safer medicines?

Long term medication means a huge increase in income for drug co's

[loonmaniac]

I'd support medical testing on you.

[Soulisscool]

I see that you know that medical testing on animals is unthinkably cruel then....and unreliable and dangerous to humans.

[IlSeFousDeTaGuele]

wrong, wrong and wrong.

Next argument?

[Soulisscool]

If you tell me what you're talking about, I'll be able to answer you.

[scorpk8]

until every last cage is empty...