Then the candle tips lmao. But Americas commerce was getting fucked cause they couldnt trade with europe cause of the napoleon war so they wanted to end it.
The british soldiers would not have suffered that much from the heat as india and africa have higher climates which saw many years of service of british soldiers!
@AlphaChurchBlue I can probably tract down my reference maternal if you like but posting them for every comment when limited to 500 characters is impractical. As it is I'm forced to edit it down to be concise with the danger that I lose the context of the original reference.
@Eddythebeast666 I would appreciate it. In a situation like this I like to try to understand where both sides are coming from. I under people have to make a point with a word limit and it can be hard, but I still believe giving sources can give a strong advantage. On a lighter note PBS made a less bias version of a war of 1812 documentary and it is available on their website. Thanks for not insulting me like so many others would for this type of comment.
@AlphaChurchBlue Anyone willing to look up the original material & draw their own conclusions shouldn't worry too much about the mindless mob that believes what ever regurgitated mush historical hacks mass produce for TV.
The PBS one is the best one made to date. Still a bit of US bias but the quality is a fair trade.
So what reference interests you first?
I focus mainly on the politics not the battles. Trying to figure out the motives of the main characters that drive the events.
@Eddythebeast666 My main interest is honestly the technology and culture of the areas involved. Though I do like to understand the political situation at the time. I do also find Important figures and the strategy and tactics at the time rather interesting to. I like to get the best general view I can. If you could provide information about where I could get a better understand political situation at the time it would be very helpful.
@AlphaChurchBlue Technology & culture were very important, particularly from a Native point of view. I'm part Mi'kmaq BTW.
Ignore the main article which is just rehash & go to the linked references at the bottom
the canadian encyclopedia /articles/tecumseh
Youtube wont let me post a link
By this period Natives were dependent upon European goods which you can see in dueling speeches of Tecumseh & Pushmataha as Tecumseh tried to add to his coalition. Natives were deeply divided by that dependency.
@AlphaChurchBlue If you are interested Planetar17 & I have been having a long running debate upon what if any British aid may have been given to Natives hostile to the USA in the comments of the first clip of this documentary.
We do give reference to original source material & the debate is of better quality then most on Youtube.
@Eddythebeast666 the U.S. is like Russia without the winter, the more you knock us around the more angry we get. the more angry we get the more people want to fight. thus you have the american version of a zerg rush. XD
@DireEpidemic Dude. Bravado? It makes for piss poor history lessons.
The US had been attacking Canada, once Britain brought the war home to you, you couldn't sign a peace treaty fast enough.
If anger meant anything the US would have declared war in 1807 & certainly never have signed a treaty that didn't compensate for the destruction of Washington.
@Eddythebeast666 how can you expect the true force of an army that does not want to fight, outnumbered, very little supplies and the fact that if u fall into a american doctor at the time you would die that way. how could you expect us to win. however the fact we won this battle against 10k British should prove something about bravado. the fight of wills won this battle not numbers, superiority of equipment or experience this gave Americans hope that we could and would simply exist.
@DireEpidemic It wasn't their bravado I referred to it was yours.
Jackson threatened to destroy New Orleans himself if they tried to surrender to the British. Jackson was a inhuman monster driven by hate, quick to kill even fellow Americans over the slightest perceived insult.
Sure a battle of wills & he got you victory.
A genocidal maniac who served your nation well.
A nation worthy of contempt for its lack of honor.
@Eddythebeast666 yes cause a army that goes into someone's capital burns a monument after holding a fake meaning to insult the country it represents then pillaging and raping its women is indeed honorable >_>
@DireEpidemic Raped who? British were a highly disciplined fighting force. Troops who stepped out of line were whipped or hung, Americans can't say the same.
You lost control of your troops several times in this war & your leadership ignored the conventions of war destroying civilian food production in Canada as well as burning York the capitol of upper Canada.
Red was a cheap dye in England..as blue was in the US..more money spent on arms that way..I'm happy that us brits helped stop 'boney..in..erm..red tunics...
@madpigz777 There is no evidence that Britain ever had the objective of destroying The USA. Treaty negotiations even when the war was fully in Britain's favor never even hint that the US should submit to British rule.
From the start British objectives were 1st) The war with Napoleon. 2nd) the defense of Canada. 3rd) Allied Natives demands for the US to stop expanding in to their territory. & 4th) Territory in reparation for US attacks.
Where are you getting the idea the US would not exist?
@WeaselShow The arguments are mostly over the merits of the 2004 show's misrepresentation of or completely omitted events but the topic tends to wander to just about everthing
The bagged milk goes back to the 70's I guess when fresh delivered bottles were being phased out & the waxed cardboard containers had yet to really be accepted. Originally the bags were intended to be poured in to a reusable jug but then since the bags were all standard size they produced a holder & saved a step. Simple, easy, cheap, very little waste so we went with it.
There are clips on Youtube if you are interested "Canada milk bags"
@Eddythebeast666 you definitely replied to me but i deleted the email and cant find which one of these you replied to me on, therefore my response to whatever it is you wrote (something about indians) is that you drink milk...out of bags lol
@Eddythebeast666 although im a yankee you should be careful to throw that around so loosely, i couldve been from the south. and no lol, you know i didnt mean tits, i meant those stupid bags yall drink milk out of
@oJKBo If you are from the American colonies that Rebelled then the word applies to North & South alike regardless if the south later adopted the term intending it only apply to the North.
@Eddythebeast666 actually in the US a yankee is a term for northerners, and apparently unbeknownst to british people is not in the least bit derogatory. Milk is supposed to be poured from a carton or a jug, not a bag. How many drinks are sold in bags???
the british had more honour on the battlefield, for example at waterloo wellington was informed that napoleon was in range of the cannons, he replied it is not of the business of generals to fire upon one another, the americans seem to not share that honour as they know they cant defeat ross
To all of you idiots who show disrespect to our past foes: you know nothing. All nations in all wars must be remembered and honored, it matters not what side their troops were on. All soldiers fight, and die, for their loved ones.
When Wllington took Badajoz in the spanish/ portuguese border during their war with the French ,the British committed huge atrocities such as looting, Rape, and of course Murder of civilians.
@cylon85912 If you had fought against the empire for these reasons you might have a point but that was never the case.
You don't get to hold our past against us unless you have taken a higher moral path but that just isn't the case. You preformed no better when free of our influence & in fact taught us a few lessons on cruelty.
There would be no USA with out the British Empire. Your lack of respect for the Empire that spawned & nurtured the English colonies just shows you deserve our contempt.
The English are also the first ones to have invented the idea of concentration camps in their war to take gold from the Boers in Africa, they slaughtered women and babies all in the name of their Evil Empire ! The British were exterminating people long before Nazi Germany in the 1930's. The Brits were the first true Nazis, the Brits exterminated the Boers but they never could exterminate Americans! We are good at killing British scum, ask John Lenin from the Beatles LOL!
@isaacBrockofthe41 No genius, nice to know he got his guts spilled out all over American soil LOL! Just hope that fat pigs blood did not poison the plants (wink) !
Excuse me, but whose religion did we bring over from England in 1608 and 1620? Whose 1611 Edition Bible do we still love in America? We aren't fools and we understand human nature, then and now. Britain did a lot of good and some evil, as has America. All we did was give a safe haven to the oppressed and savagely abused British sailors who would not have jumped ship from the Royal Navy if the Admiralty and King's officers had a 'trace of...humanity'. Royal Marines existed as seagoing jail guards
@Planetar17 Christianity made little difference in these wars. Mind you Queen Elizabeth II still the head of the Church of England. So breaking the oaths of loyalty as Washington did was also a break from the Church.
Some remained loyal because they took those oaths seriously.
The USA makes every effort to recover deserters today & in 1812 you burned Benoit Besayon alive after the Battle of Wild Cat Creek so you can hardly say our treatment was more savage then yours.
@Eddythebeast666 My point was in reply to your 'any trace of our humanity' remark. As for Memorial Day, I remember all of the Allies. I'm not the mental effigy of Americans you've generated in your mind. Being from Indiana, I'm not proud about Wild Cat Creek, either.
@Planetar17 I'm deeply insulted by this documentary.I feel as if I'm being beaten over the head with a American flag pole & as I snatch the offending weapon from the hands of the true desecraters of history & snap it over my knee in frustration, suddenly I'm the bad guy.This is garbage wrapped in your flag I'm not the one who smeared filth on your nations honor.If you want to celebrate your nations great moments feel free. You had lots of them. Just don't take the crappy moments & dress them up
@Eddythebeast666 yeah its alright i rather read and take notes thats my style of learning history i see you like the war of 1812 do you like studying about the civil war thats my favorite war
@metalrulesforrever My interest in in the 1812 war is family History. An easy one to read up on.
The Civil war has a lot of material to go through even for the most general over views. Every battle has at least one book & the bigger battles have enough books to make an encyclopedia feel inadequate.
While always interesting the American Civil war has grown in to far too huge a subject to be easily mastered.
@Eddythebeast666 same with ww 2 too it grew to big thats why you select an area of the war i study the points of views of the soliders some political views why one side lost the war or a battle weapons and tactics and technology because in my view war comes down to whether that soliders accuracy is true or not and if hes fast enough
@melonhead82 There were Heros and Villains on both sides. The US Navy named four ships USS Tecumseh Union Civil War general William Tecumseh Sherman, was given the name Tecumseh because "my father...had caught a fancy for the great chief of the Shawnees.
On the US side Benoit Besayon was judged to be a traitor & burned at the stake.
The choice to write this documentary & edit away American shames & British honor is an insult to American intelligence & your modern day allies.
A person's actual personality is different to how people depict them.
I just follow the phrase "History is wrote by the victor". I do not trust documentaries really, unless they are unbiased, which is very rare, so usualy I do my own reading.
@Eddythebeast666 A fellow Canadian? I know right, failing to mention the bravery of Canadian militia in York and I think, failing to emphasize that this was an American war of Agression.
@Eddythebeast666 ALL human history is violent and messy. Most docs have some slanted content told from a certain perspective. Try to have an honest dialog about Native American history or Africa's role in slavery and see what happens. Most of the British Empire was built on force, and America was founded by force. But for the first time in human history we have the opportunity to compete more purely economically than militarily, so SOME progress has been made.
@Planetar17 If you want to celebrate your nations great moments feel free. You had lots of them. Just don't take the crappy moments & dress them up as if they were great as well.
It would be nice if you gave the devil his due as well in these documentary's. Just a little nod of respect for the other side goes a long way for healing old wounds and would blunt a lot of critizum this show inspired.
@1994anmol I'm all over every 1812 related videos. If you are interested in the topic there is a much more accurate Canadian one up loaded by mapleballs.
@1994anmol Sent, I hope you find it informative. So far no Americans have complained about it's accuracy so they may not like it but can't condemn it for being a lie.
"The War Of 1812 Canada Part 1/9"
Its perfectly OK to be biased & favor one side or another everyone does that. We just shouldn't lie or distort the facts so completely that what happened becomes unrecognizable to the opposing sides.
@AgApE010 Lies are right in the title. First Invasion. The British raids upon the USA were not an invasion but retaliation for US attacks upon Canada. Calling British actions an invasion distorts & misleads the nature of this war
Next "2nd War of Independence" is a lie. Even when Britain had complete supremacy & it looked like the US couldn't put up any fight Britain did not ask for the US to submit to British rule nor a foot of land from any state. Just stop expanding
Never mind the title. Let's talk about the facts themselves. When Britain was fortifying Indians to the West to resist the northwestern American settlers it was apparently seen as an attack on Americans. Additionally, the impressment by British forces was seen as a direct encroachment on America's sovereignty as a nation, especially its ability to naturalize foreigners, namely the British deserters. Therefore, it is justifiable to refer to these as invasions, to one degree.
@AgApE010 It was never proven that Britain was responsible for Native hostility. Even Madison didn't state it as a fact but suggested it was so.
Impressment was used by Madison & the War Hawks as a means of undercutting the anti war Federalists in congress. The New England states was where the bulk of US shipping was from & they who suffered impressment the most. They were Federalists.
The people who voted for the war were not States that suffered impressment.
@thadea When the US forces burned the town of Newark with out advanced warning and Canadian militia returned to find over 100 of their wives & children frozen to death any mercy they might have felt towards the US was forfeit.
Recheck your facts. The US was the first to abandon the conventions of war by destroying civilian infrastructure. You targeted mills & food stores trying to starve us in to submission. Tactics you perfected against Natives.
@Eddythebeast666 again the americans did not set people on fire. what they were doing here is burning buildings to prevent the british from having cover. Joseph Willcocks gave that order and he wasnt an american..he was a deemed a traitor. Joseph Willcocks was given a rank in the american military, but oversaw canadian volunteers. i could call these actions rogue, even by militia standards. Again, the guy didnt burn people, unfortunately he did not seek refuge for them either
@thadea You gave him rank & authority. The error was yours. If we emptied your prisons of murders & rapists dressed them up as British & deployed them than we could hardly blame others for the results.
The British military was highly disciplined with the harshest punishments for misconduct you can't say the same of the American forces.
Those few times British elements behaved badly during the war were wildly exaggerated & those who behaved so were hung.
@cylon85912 The facts back my claims. Even American historical records do not support what Madison claimed cause for war & certainly not any pretense of an American victory.
Delusional revisionist history insulting both American intelligence & your modern allies.
@Eddythebeast666 I'm sure they had time to stop and hang 1/5 of their army JACKASS. Don't pretend you know something you truly don't. Britain did not have enough money to even pay their troops but i'm sure the British troops remained patriotic when their lively hood is ruined by forced enlistment.
@tinkandtory I'm man enough to admit when I'm wrong, I looked it up & you are correct. They didn't take the time to hang them, the men were shot. Hanging was still done in the Royal Navy
In times of war, punishments became harsher and military justice grew more subjective as the need to send a message sometimes overrode the search for guilt or innocence. The commanding officer’s will sat as the invisible president of many court martials and his wishes swayed many decisions.
What's with this foreign idea that Americans believe the British were a bunch of ruthless berserkers? We were taught in school that the War of 1812 was unfortunate and got settled diplomatically as fast as possible in the age of sail. America was an important trading partner with England. We had doves, too, and those doves beat the hawks at Ghent. Still, life in the New World was about conquest and land and preserving a paradise away from powers that did not care whether we lived or died.
@Planetar17 When news arrived about the end of impressment George Prévost Governor-in-Chief of British North America called an armistice hoping to end the conflict.
The USA used the time to organize & launch a 2nd assault upon Canada, not to make peace. Any doves on the US side had little influence on events.
As for the British powers not caring about the lives of those in the colonies they stood by us well enough some times at great cost. Loyalty was rewarded with loyalty.
@Planetar17 As for "the foreign idea that Americans believe the British were a bunch of ruthless berserkers" we get that idea from watching this documentary your nation produced about the 1812 war.
Its pretty clear any trace of our humanity has been stripped from your depiction of us. Removing any mention of Natives part in the war as they fought to hold on to there homes is just sad.
Let us all, brothers, not forget this very brave skilled, and honorable sniper who felled General Robert Ross, and gave our fighting men hope, against the great odds. Hail to this valiant and blessed man!!
Let us all, brothers, not forget this very brave skilled, and honorable sniper who felled General Robert Ross, and gave our fighting men men hope, against the great odds. Hail to this valiant and blessed man!!
@joejoeoreoo Forget who? What was the name of this sniper? Oops I guess he was forgotten. #LOL
Ross was fighting to force the USA to stop its assaults upon Canada. Celebrating a killing is in extremely bad taste. Imagine if someone posted "God bless every bullet that killed a Yankee murderer that tried to slaughter their way in to Canada & Native lands." Sounds pretty ugly doesn't it? Lets not go there shall we?
Arimistead who;s grandson Lo was killed leading his brigade up the hill at Gettysburg!! that family understood Right from Wrong!..the historians are dumbasses. if these brits were in spain against napoleon..damn.how could they be outa shape? had to be the water or fever. and Nobody would have cared if Eisenhower was killed by the way.. America aint built that way.
course britain is misrepresented!!..in 1812 if the powers that be,in whitehall had wanted they could have burnt the whole fucking east coast!!never mind the whitehouse!..all this was,was a warning to keep the greedy american government of the times hands off of canada!!..basically dont take the piss or you'll get a smack!
Poor Ross. I kind of like the guy. During the burning of Washington DC, he ordered his troops to spare the private buildings in the city. No offence, but this documentary really doesn't give the British a fair representation. Remember, for the Brits, this was a war of defence. It was the Americans who took the offence to start the war. I think the USA is a great country, but I also think England and Canada are great too, and are a little mistreated in this video.
Francis Key Howard. Imprisoned in Fort McHenry without due process for writing a critical editorial of President Abraham Lincoln.
"I could not but contrast my position with his, forty-seven years before. The flag which he had then so proudly hailed, I saw waving at the same place over the victims of as vulgar and brutal a despotism as modern times have witnessed."
"When I looked out in the morning, I could not help being struck by an odd and not pleasant coincidence. On that day forty-seven years before my grandfather, Mr. Francis Scott Key, then prisoner on a British ship, had witnessed the bombardment of Fort McHenry. When on the following morning the hostile fleet drew off, defeated, he wrote the song so long popular throughout the country, the Star Spangled Banner. As I stood upon the very scene of that conflict,"
@TheImperialistStates Glad someone is amused. Watching Americans distort history to portray cowardly actions of greed as some kind of heroic defense tends to offend people who possess more then 1/2 a brain.
@airpowerrules The US declared war, mounted 3 invasions in to Canada that were turned back by forces you outnumbered 10 to 1, lost a huge amount in gold running the war, 1000's of lives, had your capitol burned, your leadership forced to flee, gained nothing for your efforts then produced this documentary trying to turn the most humiliating war of American history in to an American victory & you think Canadians are slandering your nation?
@Eddythebeast666 ummm.. we were a nation of hillbilly's, not very big, fighting the most powerful country in the world because they were wronging our citizens... After the war, we were a stronger country then before, bent on menifest destiny, and nobody was wronging our citizens anymore... I think are goals were accomplished... What has Canada accomplished other then be jealous of the US? Like I said, your constant attempts to compensate are amusing.
@airpowerrules The USA had agreed to allow impressment with the Jay Treaty which had also given British protection to your shipping from France during your Quasi war with them. Now that treaty had expired & the US had made a deal with Napoleon but failure to form a new treaty with Britain is not justification for war & just to be clear the States that suffered the most from impressment were not the ones calling for war. The issue of Impressment was meant to undercut the federalists in congress.
@airpowerrules We were not wronging your citizens. You were knowingly harboring British deserters & with out a new treaty tensions & disputes could only grow more heated. The issues of the USA having a right to trade freely with France whom Britain was at war while at the same time demanding Britain stop trading with Natives whom you where busy trying to exterminate is hypocritical & idiotic.
These were excuses to go to war not objectives meant to be accomplished by war.
@airpowerrules Manifest destiny is a code word for Native genocide. It means exactly the same thing. To bring it up in conversation as a goal accomplished is as stupid as if British bragged about all the horrors we inflicted. It's not a shining moment.
@victorhng That would be beauty which is purely subjective. Truth are those constant unchangeable facts that all people agree upon to such a degree that those who do not agree have their sanity questioned.
History is not biased. The intent of history is to combine as many perspectives & established facts that are mutually agreeable to present a narrative that is as close to truth as possible. Editing facts to present one side in a positive light isn't history. Its historical fiction.
The Nazis took Germany from economic ruin in despair & built it in to a unmatched world power. Fantastic advances in technology. Incredible military success. Easy to admire if we just edit out that unfortunate Holocaust business.
It's not OK to edit out Tecumseh & the horrors inflicted upon the Native People by the USA leading up to during & after the 1812 war. US expansion was a huge factor with the war hawks.
@victorhng It is not OK to edit out the 3 invasions of Canada by US forces or British efforts to make peace. By doing that they make the British in to the aggressors instead of defenders they truly were.
It mentions the riots in Baltimore but leaves out the "Hartford convention" where 6 states were ready to leave the Union which shows the US was so divided that it all but tore itself apart over this war.
Lies of omission are still lies deliberately intended to misinform the viewer.
@victorhng Lies deliberately structured to turn an expansionist war of US aggression that resulted in 10's of 1000's of meaningless deaths & countless humiliating American defeats. In to a heroic 2nd war of Independence against the forces of EVIL!
The phrase "Manifest Destiny" is a code word for Native genocide. At it's core is the belief of a God given right to annihilate Natives & establish a single white English speaking Christian nation in their place.
Continued..: My point is… if this is supposed to be an educational documentary let us tell the whole story, not just the chest thumping fragments of the story. It’s like taking out all the marshmallows from the box of Lucky Charms (I may have done this once or twice) and passing it on to our kids. Remember this war made us brothers!
Instead of presenting impartial & unbiased facts that showcase our (Canada & the U.S.) rich heritage of two fledgling nations I feel that this white wash of a documentary is truly one sided. Yes, the U.S. has the right to be proud of her many accomplishments in this war that displayed bravery & honor but it shouldn’t over shadow the brilliant defence of Canada by our loyalist militias backed by the British of course.
this hurts my brain. They only show the part when British-Canadian forces are in america. They leave out the early part of the war when america got their ass kicked all the time. If it was a American invasion like i said before they would have sent the duke of wellington and no way in hell would america still exist. The grandé army was the best in the world. Not the 4000 troops in the british army. only reason Napoleon lost was because of russia invasion.
Also, the Natives hands aren't clean either. They've killed unarmed people before the war even started. Hell they've been doing that long before the white man even came to the New World. No one's hands are clean in this war or any war that followed. So I say again, Calm down. If I wanted to hear whining I would listen to CSPAN, CNN or FOX.
Guys, lets calm down. This is just about the Invasion of America. So yes this documentary is going to concentrate more on the American invasion. Not the invasion of Canada, or Tecumseh's war. If you want more details look for other documentaries or read a history book. This is just one version of many versions of the War.
This isn't an invasion of American soil. This wasn't a war of American defense. You have to leave out huge amounts of information in order to create such an illusion. There was no attempt at British occupation.
Never mind Canada or the UK taking offence at the butchery of historical facts. Do Native Americans living in the USA have no voice? Are they so beaten in to silence that they dare not challenge such raciest garbage? Hey lets cut slavery out of US history next
Dude, you are making me laugh. Are you so offended over a documentary? This was an invasion, what else could it be. The British came into the U.S. and attacked and burned the capital to the ground. There is no other word for it. As for the butchery of historical facts... please Canada and the UK hands are not clean either. Each country has its own version of what happened. This is only one version. Get a life before you have a heart attack.
@josh47981 Lies bother me. Ignorance bothers me. Deliberate ignorance even more so. If you want to live in a fantasy land thats OK even broad casting that fantasy is harmless right up till you call it history.
Then you've cross the line.
I'm Mi'kmaq & if you'd actually taken the time to review the Canadian Documentary on 1812 it's actually rather fair. Natives didn't cross the Atlantic to invade innocent peoples lands. Everyone Natives killed pretty much had it coming.
@Eddythebeast666 Eh my area of study is usually the American Civil War so I'm no expert during this timeframe. That being said if you want to educate people then educate them instead of calling them stupid, racist or whatever. All that dose is get people riled up and nothing gets done. I'm not arguing your point but you don't see me go out of my way to bash people just because they only know one version of history. Just show them another version, post your own documentaries. That simple.
@josh47981 My apologies. My rants were aimed at the makers of the documentary but have greatly widened as more defenders of it have appeared. It's understandable that if events of the war have been forgotten that most viewers would be unaware of the particulars. That does not excuse this show though. The makers could not construct such a thing with out deliberate malice. The Nazis don't seem so bad if you leave out some details. It's NOT ok to leave out Tecumseh. The Canadian one is depressing.
@Eddythebeast666 That is true but the sad truth of it is who rights the history books. Its up to people like you and me to look at the whole picture and try to show people the whole history, not just one small tidbit. Its why there are books out there but sad to say not many people read history anymore. I'm just as guilty of that but I at least have books to fall back on. Most don't.
WHAT THE FUCK??? THIS IS AMERICA!!! THE PROUDEST, AND STRONGEST NATION IN THE WORLD! WHY CANT WE HAVE THIS GREAT SINCE OF PRIDE, AND PATRIOTISM NOW???? I ASK EACH ONE OF YOU THAT.
@generaltodd2 This documentary is an offensive load of crap. It cuts out & minimized all disgraceful moments that the USA had during & leading up to the war.
Pride is not a virtue especially if you you are inclined to edit out the crimes your nation committed against Natives that was a huge part of this war.
Do you want a fantasy with history being closer to myth? Because that is where this is going. Blind nationalism is a horror. Wrapping crap in a flag for mass consumption is unhealthy.
@Eddythebeast666 I'd like to punch you in the mouth.This has how history has been taught for ages and you and your agenda want to screw things up.Show some respect to the US armed forces of the 19th century.This is real history not that nonsense that you are trying to feed the viewers.
@level242 Threats are a "ban" offence on Youtube not to mention as it seriously hurts your argument if "I hit you" is your best response.
I have great respect for those US solders who refused to cross in to Canada. I have great respect for all the good people of the USA that objected to the war going so far as the Hartford Convention 6 states ready to leave the Union.
But the war mongering idiots that this show tries to turn in to heroes I hold in contempt as well as the shows makers.
@level242 The problem is if this is what you're being taught then you have no idea about all the people who died invading Canada to gain not 1" of land.
You don't know about Tecumseh & his heroic battle for the survival of his people or the tragedy of his fall.
You don't know about the terrible civilian loss of life because you are willfully ignorant of what a nightmare this war truly was.All you want is the ego boosting feel good crap but thats not history is it?
Then the candle tips lmao. But Americas commerce was getting fucked cause they couldnt trade with europe cause of the napoleon war so they wanted to end it.
RonPaul2012vote123 2 weeks ago
The british soldiers would not have suffered that much from the heat as india and africa have higher climates which saw many years of service of british soldiers!
xXDanielJamesSimsXx 1 month ago
I wish if people where going to get into pointless arguments, they would at least comment on where they got their information.
AlphaChurchBlue 1 month ago
@AlphaChurchBlue I can probably tract down my reference maternal if you like but posting them for every comment when limited to 500 characters is impractical. As it is I'm forced to edit it down to be concise with the danger that I lose the context of the original reference.
Eddythebeast666 1 month ago
@Eddythebeast666 I would appreciate it. In a situation like this I like to try to understand where both sides are coming from. I under people have to make a point with a word limit and it can be hard, but I still believe giving sources can give a strong advantage. On a lighter note PBS made a less bias version of a war of 1812 documentary and it is available on their website. Thanks for not insulting me like so many others would for this type of comment.
AlphaChurchBlue 1 month ago
@AlphaChurchBlue Anyone willing to look up the original material & draw their own conclusions shouldn't worry too much about the mindless mob that believes what ever regurgitated mush historical hacks mass produce for TV.
The PBS one is the best one made to date. Still a bit of US bias but the quality is a fair trade.
So what reference interests you first?
I focus mainly on the politics not the battles. Trying to figure out the motives of the main characters that drive the events.
Eddythebeast666 1 month ago
@Eddythebeast666 My main interest is honestly the technology and culture of the areas involved. Though I do like to understand the political situation at the time. I do also find Important figures and the strategy and tactics at the time rather interesting to. I like to get the best general view I can. If you could provide information about where I could get a better understand political situation at the time it would be very helpful.
Thanks
AlphaChurchBlue 1 month ago
@AlphaChurchBlue Technology & culture were very important, particularly from a Native point of view. I'm part Mi'kmaq BTW.
Ignore the main article which is just rehash & go to the linked references at the bottom
the canadian encyclopedia /articles/tecumseh
Youtube wont let me post a link
By this period Natives were dependent upon European goods which you can see in dueling speeches of Tecumseh & Pushmataha as Tecumseh tried to add to his coalition. Natives were deeply divided by that dependency.
Eddythebeast666 1 month ago
@AlphaChurchBlue Youtube wont let me post a link but Google
the canadian encyclopedia /articles/tecumseh
Then scroll down to the links at the bottom which is the basic source material most historians use.
There is more of course but we are limited to online sources here at least.
If I may promote a relatives work. My name is Ed Richardson you might want to check out the work of John Richardson (4 October 1796 – 12 May 1852)
Its fiction & the prose is terrible but he was there & met Tecumseh.
Eddythebeast666 1 month ago
@Eddythebeast666 Thanks I will be sure to check it out. :)
AlphaChurchBlue 1 month ago
@AlphaChurchBlue If you are interested Planetar17 & I have been having a long running debate upon what if any British aid may have been given to Natives hostile to the USA in the comments of the first clip of this documentary.
We do give reference to original source material & the debate is of better quality then most on Youtube.
Eddythebeast666 1 month ago
The British are snobby PRICKS
kungfume2 1 month ago
@kungfume2 The British are huge pricks that you don't want to get fucked by.
Eddythebeast666 1 month ago
The Americans wanted war so war is what they got
79tazman 1 month ago 4
@79tazman Are you American?
joshll2007 1 month ago
Why do the British uniforms have the white belt thingies across their chest? ...to me it just says "X marks the spot"
andrielisilien 2 months ago
"i dont care if it rains militia" fucking idiot have you learned nothing!
DireEpidemic 2 months ago
@DireEpidemic The militia hadn't served the US very well up to that point.
Eddythebeast666 2 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 the U.S. is like Russia without the winter, the more you knock us around the more angry we get. the more angry we get the more people want to fight. thus you have the american version of a zerg rush. XD
DireEpidemic 2 months ago
@DireEpidemic Dude. Bravado? It makes for piss poor history lessons.
The US had been attacking Canada, once Britain brought the war home to you, you couldn't sign a peace treaty fast enough.
If anger meant anything the US would have declared war in 1807 & certainly never have signed a treaty that didn't compensate for the destruction of Washington.
Eddythebeast666 2 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 how can you expect the true force of an army that does not want to fight, outnumbered, very little supplies and the fact that if u fall into a american doctor at the time you would die that way. how could you expect us to win. however the fact we won this battle against 10k British should prove something about bravado. the fight of wills won this battle not numbers, superiority of equipment or experience this gave Americans hope that we could and would simply exist.
DireEpidemic 2 months ago
@DireEpidemic It wasn't their bravado I referred to it was yours.
Jackson threatened to destroy New Orleans himself if they tried to surrender to the British. Jackson was a inhuman monster driven by hate, quick to kill even fellow Americans over the slightest perceived insult.
Sure a battle of wills & he got you victory.
A genocidal maniac who served your nation well.
A nation worthy of contempt for its lack of honor.
Eddythebeast666 2 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 yes cause a army that goes into someone's capital burns a monument after holding a fake meaning to insult the country it represents then pillaging and raping its women is indeed honorable >_>
DireEpidemic 2 months ago
@DireEpidemic btw the burning of new Orleans if he would have lost, it is called Total war
every nation has used it before.
DireEpidemic 2 months ago
@DireEpidemic The population of New Orleans was mostly French & Spanish & had no representation in your congress as it wasn't part of any state.
I'm aware or what was at stake, that is "would have been" if the treaty had not already been signed.
Let me remind you this was all about US greed for land.
Jackson was going to destroy the homes of people who had NO reason to be loyal to the US. In fact would have been better off under British rule.
The US had NO RIGHT TO EXPAND.
Eddythebeast666 2 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 yes,but Britain did when they are three thousand miles away >_>
DireEpidemic 2 months ago
@DireEpidemic Britain was fighting Napoleon not expanding during this period.
I'd be happy to bitch about Amherst or British crimes & expansion but that isn't the war of 1812.
Eddythebeast666 2 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 lol here i thought you were just anti american XD
DireEpidemic 2 months ago
@DireEpidemic and if he was would that invalidate his argument below?
mangajo 1 month ago
@DireEpidemic Raped who? British were a highly disciplined fighting force. Troops who stepped out of line were whipped or hung, Americans can't say the same.
You lost control of your troops several times in this war & your leadership ignored the conventions of war destroying civilian food production in Canada as well as burning York the capitol of upper Canada.
Washington was retribution & perfectly justified.
Your own citizens did most of the looting there.
Eddythebeast666 2 months ago
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This series just gets better.
planetrockford 3 months ago
Red was a cheap dye in England..as blue was in the US..more money spent on arms that way..I'm happy that us brits helped stop 'boney..in..erm..red tunics...
custer870 4 months ago
6:00 red is a terrible color to be wearing as a uniform on the American continent
USMarineRifleman0311 4 months ago
@USMarineRifleman0311 Works for the Mounties in Canada.
Eddythebeast666 4 months ago
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C'mon guys. Nearly 200 years have passed and we're still fighting? Is this truly necessary? The war is over, we (The U.S) won
Spencerpolly 5 months ago
Weasel. If the british won there would be no america and also i give a salute to Ross and that unknown sniper. Both KIA
madpigz777 5 months ago
@madpigz777 There is no evidence that Britain ever had the objective of destroying The USA. Treaty negotiations even when the war was fully in Britain's favor never even hint that the US should submit to British rule.
From the start British objectives were 1st) The war with Napoleon. 2nd) the defense of Canada. 3rd) Allied Natives demands for the US to stop expanding in to their territory. & 4th) Territory in reparation for US attacks.
Where are you getting the idea the US would not exist?
Eddythebeast666 5 months ago
C'mon guys. Nearly 200 years have passed and we're still fighting? Is this truly necessary? The war is over, we (The British) won.
WeaselShow 5 months ago
@WeaselShow The arguments are mostly over the merits of the 2004 show's misrepresentation of or completely omitted events but the topic tends to wander to just about everthing
Eddythebeast666 5 months ago
@nigee1970 Scrumpy cider sounds good.
The bagged milk goes back to the 70's I guess when fresh delivered bottles were being phased out & the waxed cardboard containers had yet to really be accepted. Originally the bags were intended to be poured in to a reusable jug but then since the bags were all standard size they produced a holder & saved a step. Simple, easy, cheap, very little waste so we went with it.
There are clips on Youtube if you are interested "Canada milk bags"
Eddythebeast666 5 months ago
@nigee1970 Agreed it is.
I don't think any one in Halifax is going to allow Americans dig up Ross's remains just to satisfy US obsession as to who gets credit for the kill.
They can be a bit ill mannered at times.
Eddythebeast666 5 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 you definitely replied to me but i deleted the email and cant find which one of these you replied to me on, therefore my response to whatever it is you wrote (something about indians) is that you drink milk...out of bags lol
oJKBo 5 months ago
@oJKBo I Didn't know Yankees had a problem with tits.
Eddythebeast666 5 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 although im a yankee you should be careful to throw that around so loosely, i couldve been from the south. and no lol, you know i didnt mean tits, i meant those stupid bags yall drink milk out of
oJKBo 5 months ago
@oJKBo If you are from the American colonies that Rebelled then the word applies to North & South alike regardless if the south later adopted the term intending it only apply to the North.
A Milk bag is a milk bag. Ya gotta love them. LOL
Eddythebeast666 5 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 actually in the US a yankee is a term for northerners, and apparently unbeknownst to british people is not in the least bit derogatory. Milk is supposed to be poured from a carton or a jug, not a bag. How many drinks are sold in bags???
oJKBo 5 months ago
@oJKBo Watch "Assume the Position 101 Part 2" 1:30 explains the origin of the word Yankee. Or at least the British use of word.
Eddythebeast666 5 months ago
@oJKBo go to thailand,they sell coca cola or any other soft drink in plastic bags with ice in .nice
bazzatheblue 5 months ago
@bazzatheblue 1) why the fuck would i go to thailand? and 2) congratulations, canada has something similar with some poor southeast asian country
oJKBo 5 months ago
@oJKBo A trip to Thailand might broaden your mind a little bit. Give you a more worldly perspective.
I've been thinking don't you sell those Fruit punch packs is bags? You just punch a straw in them?
Would that give you something in common with a poor southeast asian country?
Eddythebeast666 5 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 i think youre referring to capri sun which are in /pouches/ and maintain their basic shape so no it wouldnt
oJKBo 5 months ago
@nigee1970 yeah a shame :/
OW41N 5 months ago
the british had more honour on the battlefield, for example at waterloo wellington was informed that napoleon was in range of the cannons, he replied it is not of the business of generals to fire upon one another, the americans seem to not share that honour as they know they cant defeat ross
OW41N 5 months ago
@OW41N honor*
oJKBo 5 months ago
@oJKBo no mate look in the english dictionary, i think you will find that it is honour, has been since the medieval times but americans cant spell
OW41N 5 months ago
To all of you idiots who show disrespect to our past foes: you know nothing. All nations in all wars must be remembered and honored, it matters not what side their troops were on. All soldiers fight, and die, for their loved ones.
Ryuu501st 8 months ago 15
@Ryuu501st Get fucked. You want to honor dead Nazis? You're a fucking fascist.
94ABLE2002 4 months ago
@94ABLE2002 I said all SOLDIERS, not crazy evil maniacs.
Ryuu501st 4 months ago
@Ryuu501st I guess he doesn't like the Pope. LOL
Eddythebeast666 4 months ago
When Wllington took Badajoz in the spanish/ portuguese border during their war with the French ,the British committed huge atrocities such as looting, Rape, and of course Murder of civilians.
cylon85912 8 months ago
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@cylon85912 If you had fought against the empire for these reasons you might have a point but that was never the case.
You don't get to hold our past against us unless you have taken a higher moral path but that just isn't the case. You preformed no better when free of our influence & in fact taught us a few lessons on cruelty.
There would be no USA with out the British Empire. Your lack of respect for the Empire that spawned & nurtured the English colonies just shows you deserve our contempt.
Eddythebeast666 8 months ago
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The English are also the first ones to have invented the idea of concentration camps in their war to take gold from the Boers in Africa, they slaughtered women and babies all in the name of their Evil Empire ! The British were exterminating people long before Nazi Germany in the 1930's. The Brits were the first true Nazis, the Brits exterminated the Boers but they never could exterminate Americans! We are good at killing British scum, ask John Lenin from the Beatles LOL!
cylon85912 8 months ago
Lol, they had to kill the general to win. Sad really
isaacBrockofthe41 8 months ago
@isaacBrockofthe41 No genius, nice to know he got his guts spilled out all over American soil LOL! Just hope that fat pigs blood did not poison the plants (wink) !
cylon85912 8 months ago
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10Tuxedo 8 months ago
awesome sniper. Boom. Chestshot. Not that impressive, but remember, he was using an early 19th century rifle.
1994anmol 9 months ago
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God bless the USA
GSPatton89 9 months ago
Excuse me, but whose religion did we bring over from England in 1608 and 1620? Whose 1611 Edition Bible do we still love in America? We aren't fools and we understand human nature, then and now. Britain did a lot of good and some evil, as has America. All we did was give a safe haven to the oppressed and savagely abused British sailors who would not have jumped ship from the Royal Navy if the Admiralty and King's officers had a 'trace of...humanity'. Royal Marines existed as seagoing jail guards
Planetar17 9 months ago
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@Planetar17 Christianity made little difference in these wars. Mind you Queen Elizabeth II still the head of the Church of England. So breaking the oaths of loyalty as Washington did was also a break from the Church.
Some remained loyal because they took those oaths seriously.
The USA makes every effort to recover deserters today & in 1812 you burned Benoit Besayon alive after the Battle of Wild Cat Creek so you can hardly say our treatment was more savage then yours.
Eddythebeast666 9 months ago 16
@Eddythebeast666 My point was in reply to your 'any trace of our humanity' remark. As for Memorial Day, I remember all of the Allies. I'm not the mental effigy of Americans you've generated in your mind. Being from Indiana, I'm not proud about Wild Cat Creek, either.
Planetar17 9 months ago
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@Planetar17 I'm deeply insulted by this documentary.I feel as if I'm being beaten over the head with a American flag pole & as I snatch the offending weapon from the hands of the true desecraters of history & snap it over my knee in frustration, suddenly I'm the bad guy.This is garbage wrapped in your flag I'm not the one who smeared filth on your nations honor.If you want to celebrate your nations great moments feel free. You had lots of them. Just don't take the crappy moments & dress them up
Eddythebeast666 9 months ago 20
@Eddythebeast666 poor sport.
gamerdude1918 9 months ago
@gamerdude1918 And the US is the Black Knight.
Black Knight: Oh, had enough, eh?
King Arthur: Look, you stupid bastard. You've got no arms left!
Eddythebeast666 9 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 yeah its alright i rather read and take notes thats my style of learning history i see you like the war of 1812 do you like studying about the civil war thats my favorite war
metalrulesforrever 8 months ago
@metalrulesforrever My interest in in the 1812 war is family History. An easy one to read up on.
The Civil war has a lot of material to go through even for the most general over views. Every battle has at least one book & the bigger battles have enough books to make an encyclopedia feel inadequate.
While always interesting the American Civil war has grown in to far too huge a subject to be easily mastered.
We could study it for years & still be a novice.
Impressive choice.
Eddythebeast666 8 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 same with ww 2 too it grew to big thats why you select an area of the war i study the points of views of the soliders some political views why one side lost the war or a battle weapons and tactics and technology because in my view war comes down to whether that soliders accuracy is true or not and if hes fast enough
metalrulesforrever 8 months ago
@Eddythebeast666
America has the idea of Heros and Villians, not the honarable and valiant engagments of war which the European nations understood.
melonhead82 8 months ago
@melonhead82 There were Heros and Villains on both sides. The US Navy named four ships USS Tecumseh Union Civil War general William Tecumseh Sherman, was given the name Tecumseh because "my father...had caught a fancy for the great chief of the Shawnees.
On the US side Benoit Besayon was judged to be a traitor & burned at the stake.
The choice to write this documentary & edit away American shames & British honor is an insult to American intelligence & your modern day allies.
Eddythebeast666 8 months ago
@Eddythebeast666
A person's actual personality is different to how people depict them.
I just follow the phrase "History is wrote by the victor". I do not trust documentaries really, unless they are unbiased, which is very rare, so usualy I do my own reading.
melonhead82 8 months ago
@melonhead82 Very wise of you sir.
Eddythebeast666 8 months ago
@Eddythebeast666
Thank you.
melonhead82 8 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 That sums up my feelings as well.
isaacBrockofthe41 8 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 Fuck off and die scumbag ! Death to England ! Long live America !
cylon85912 8 months ago
@cylon85912 U mad? #LOL
Eddythebeast666 8 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 A fellow Canadian? I know right, failing to mention the bravery of Canadian militia in York and I think, failing to emphasize that this was an American war of Agression.
rangergxi 8 months ago
@rangergxi Right on dude. The show was quite a shock to me.
Eddythebeast666 8 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 ALL human history is violent and messy. Most docs have some slanted content told from a certain perspective. Try to have an honest dialog about Native American history or Africa's role in slavery and see what happens. Most of the British Empire was built on force, and America was founded by force. But for the first time in human history we have the opportunity to compete more purely economically than militarily, so SOME progress has been made.
plbhl 7 months ago
@plbhl True.
I'm just worried China is going to kick all our asses economically.
Eddythebeast666 7 months ago
@Planetar17 If you want to celebrate your nations great moments feel free. You had lots of them. Just don't take the crappy moments & dress them up as if they were great as well.
It would be nice if you gave the devil his due as well in these documentary's. Just a little nod of respect for the other side goes a long way for healing old wounds and would blunt a lot of critizum this show inspired.
Eddythebeast666 9 months ago 8
@Eddythebeast666 wow, still you.
1994anmol 9 months ago
@1994anmol I'm all over every 1812 related videos. If you are interested in the topic there is a much more accurate Canadian one up loaded by mapleballs.
Eddythebeast666 9 months ago 3
@Eddythebeast666 link please? inbox it to me...
1994anmol 9 months ago
@1994anmol Sent, I hope you find it informative. So far no Americans have complained about it's accuracy so they may not like it but can't condemn it for being a lie.
"The War Of 1812 Canada Part 1/9"
Its perfectly OK to be biased & favor one side or another everyone does that. We just shouldn't lie or distort the facts so completely that what happened becomes unrecognizable to the opposing sides.
Eddythebeast666 9 months ago 4
@Eddythebeast666
What lies are you talking about?
AgApE010 3 months ago
@AgApE010 Lies are right in the title. First Invasion. The British raids upon the USA were not an invasion but retaliation for US attacks upon Canada. Calling British actions an invasion distorts & misleads the nature of this war
Next "2nd War of Independence" is a lie. Even when Britain had complete supremacy & it looked like the US couldn't put up any fight Britain did not ask for the US to submit to British rule nor a foot of land from any state. Just stop expanding
Eddythebeast666 3 months ago
@Eddythebeast666
Never mind the title. Let's talk about the facts themselves. When Britain was fortifying Indians to the West to resist the northwestern American settlers it was apparently seen as an attack on Americans. Additionally, the impressment by British forces was seen as a direct encroachment on America's sovereignty as a nation, especially its ability to naturalize foreigners, namely the British deserters. Therefore, it is justifiable to refer to these as invasions, to one degree.
AgApE010 3 months ago
@AgApE010 It was never proven that Britain was responsible for Native hostility. Even Madison didn't state it as a fact but suggested it was so.
Impressment was used by Madison & the War Hawks as a means of undercutting the anti war Federalists in congress. The New England states was where the bulk of US shipping was from & they who suffered impressment the most. They were Federalists.
The people who voted for the war were not States that suffered impressment.
Eddythebeast666 3 months ago
@Eddythebeast666
*Invasions on America's independence, that is.
AgApE010 3 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 Im indian btw, so Im not biased.
1994anmol 9 months ago 2
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What was the British commanders full name?? The one who died?
mwillis1000 7 months ago
@mwillis1000
Major-General Sir Isaac Brock KIA Battle of Queenston Heights
Major General Robert Ross KIA Battle of Baltimore
Sir Edward Michael Pakenham KIA Battle of New Orleans
Eddythebeast666 7 months ago
@Eddythebeast666
Thanks mate.
This show is so 1 sided. Yank propaganda agin.
mwillis1000 7 months ago
@mwillis1000 Yanks lost more troops but their commanders would surrender before risking their lives.
Like Madison. He ran leaving his wife behind.
Which goes a long way to explain why they did so poorly for so long in the war.
Eddythebeast666 7 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 killing one at the stake for treason vs burning many innocent villagers/children
thadea 7 months ago
@thadea When the US forces burned the town of Newark with out advanced warning and Canadian militia returned to find over 100 of their wives & children frozen to death any mercy they might have felt towards the US was forfeit.
Recheck your facts. The US was the first to abandon the conventions of war by destroying civilian infrastructure. You targeted mills & food stores trying to starve us in to submission. Tactics you perfected against Natives.
Eddythebeast666 7 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 again the americans did not set people on fire. what they were doing here is burning buildings to prevent the british from having cover. Joseph Willcocks gave that order and he wasnt an american..he was a deemed a traitor. Joseph Willcocks was given a rank in the american military, but oversaw canadian volunteers. i could call these actions rogue, even by militia standards. Again, the guy didnt burn people, unfortunately he did not seek refuge for them either
thadea 7 months ago
@thadea You gave him rank & authority. The error was yours. If we emptied your prisons of murders & rapists dressed them up as British & deployed them than we could hardly blame others for the results.
The British military was highly disciplined with the harshest punishments for misconduct you can't say the same of the American forces.
Those few times British elements behaved badly during the war were wildly exaggerated & those who behaved so were hung.
Eddythebeast666 7 months ago 6
@Eddythebeast666 YOU LIE .
cylon85912 6 months ago
@cylon85912 The facts back my claims. Even American historical records do not support what Madison claimed cause for war & certainly not any pretense of an American victory.
Delusional revisionist history insulting both American intelligence & your modern allies.
Eddythebeast666 6 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 I'm sure they had time to stop and hang 1/5 of their army JACKASS. Don't pretend you know something you truly don't. Britain did not have enough money to even pay their troops but i'm sure the British troops remained patriotic when their lively hood is ruined by forced enlistment.
tinkandtory 2 weeks ago
@tinkandtory I'm man enough to admit when I'm wrong, I looked it up & you are correct. They didn't take the time to hang them, the men were shot. Hanging was still done in the Royal Navy
In times of war, punishments became harsher and military justice grew more subjective as the need to send a message sometimes overrode the search for guilt or innocence. The commanding officer’s will sat as the invisible president of many court martials and his wishes swayed many decisions.
Eddythebeast666 2 weeks ago
What's with this foreign idea that Americans believe the British were a bunch of ruthless berserkers? We were taught in school that the War of 1812 was unfortunate and got settled diplomatically as fast as possible in the age of sail. America was an important trading partner with England. We had doves, too, and those doves beat the hawks at Ghent. Still, life in the New World was about conquest and land and preserving a paradise away from powers that did not care whether we lived or died.
Planetar17 9 months ago
@Planetar17 When news arrived about the end of impressment George Prévost Governor-in-Chief of British North America called an armistice hoping to end the conflict.
The USA used the time to organize & launch a 2nd assault upon Canada, not to make peace. Any doves on the US side had little influence on events.
As for the British powers not caring about the lives of those in the colonies they stood by us well enough some times at great cost. Loyalty was rewarded with loyalty.
Eddythebeast666 9 months ago 6
@Planetar17 As for "the foreign idea that Americans believe the British were a bunch of ruthless berserkers" we get that idea from watching this documentary your nation produced about the 1812 war.
Its pretty clear any trace of our humanity has been stripped from your depiction of us. Removing any mention of Natives part in the war as they fought to hold on to there homes is just sad.
This war was an American disgrace.
Eddythebeast666 9 months ago 7
when you saw the sniper he was white, but when he got killed and they zoomed on his rifle it was a black hand holding the gun :D
NobleHerold 9 months ago
lol imagine if eisenhower was shot haha nothing would of changed it was montgomery's plan.
thyuiooo 10 months ago
@thyuiooo American historians aint that good ;)
NobleHerold 9 months ago 3
@NobleHerold jerk lol
GamingBrosproduction 9 months ago
@thyuiooo That's "would have", limey. :P
RevengeOfTheKaizer 9 months ago
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Let us all, brothers, not forget this very brave skilled, and honorable sniper who felled General Robert Ross, and gave our fighting men hope, against the great odds. Hail to this valiant and blessed man!!
joejoeoreoo 10 months ago
Let us all, brothers, not forget this very brave skilled, and honorable sniper who felled General Robert Ross, and gave our fighting men men hope, against the great odds. Hail to this valiant and blessed man!!
joejoeoreoo 10 months ago
@joejoeoreoo Forget who? What was the name of this sniper? Oops I guess he was forgotten. #LOL
Ross was fighting to force the USA to stop its assaults upon Canada. Celebrating a killing is in extremely bad taste. Imagine if someone posted "God bless every bullet that killed a Yankee murderer that tried to slaughter their way in to Canada & Native lands." Sounds pretty ugly doesn't it? Lets not go there shall we?
Eddythebeast666 10 months ago
@joejoeoreoo There were two actually. It was most likely a stray bullet.
barricader6 9 months ago in playlist 1812 War
Arimistead who;s grandson Lo was killed leading his brigade up the hill at Gettysburg!! that family understood Right from Wrong!..the historians are dumbasses. if these brits were in spain against napoleon..damn.how could they be outa shape? had to be the water or fever. and Nobody would have cared if Eisenhower was killed by the way.. America aint built that way.
kingslegion1 10 months ago
course britain is misrepresented!!..in 1812 if the powers that be,in whitehall had wanted they could have burnt the whole fucking east coast!!never mind the whitehouse!..all this was,was a warning to keep the greedy american government of the times hands off of canada!!..basically dont take the piss or you'll get a smack!
rembrandt1941 10 months ago
Poor Ross. I kind of like the guy. During the burning of Washington DC, he ordered his troops to spare the private buildings in the city. No offence, but this documentary really doesn't give the British a fair representation. Remember, for the Brits, this was a war of defence. It was the Americans who took the offence to start the war. I think the USA is a great country, but I also think England and Canada are great too, and are a little mistreated in this video.
canadarox14 11 months ago
Francis Key Howard. Imprisoned in Fort McHenry without due process for writing a critical editorial of President Abraham Lincoln.
"I could not but contrast my position with his, forty-seven years before. The flag which he had then so proudly hailed, I saw waving at the same place over the victims of as vulgar and brutal a despotism as modern times have witnessed."
Eddythebeast666 11 months ago
Francis Key Howard
"When I looked out in the morning, I could not help being struck by an odd and not pleasant coincidence. On that day forty-seven years before my grandfather, Mr. Francis Scott Key, then prisoner on a British ship, had witnessed the bombardment of Fort McHenry. When on the following morning the hostile fleet drew off, defeated, he wrote the song so long popular throughout the country, the Star Spangled Banner. As I stood upon the very scene of that conflict,"
Eddythebeast666 11 months ago
I heard the names of the two soldiers are killed Robert Ross are named Daniel Wells and Henry McComas.
Yahiko25 11 months ago
Watching Canucks bitch is funny XD.
TheImperialistStates 11 months ago
@TheImperialistStates Glad someone is amused. Watching Americans distort history to portray cowardly actions of greed as some kind of heroic defense tends to offend people who possess more then 1/2 a brain.
Eddythebeast666 11 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 Thanks, you made me laugh again XD
TheImperialistStates 11 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 We are amused... watching canucks try and compensate by attacking Americans constantly is entertaining.
airpowerrules 11 months ago
@airpowerrules The US declared war, mounted 3 invasions in to Canada that were turned back by forces you outnumbered 10 to 1, lost a huge amount in gold running the war, 1000's of lives, had your capitol burned, your leadership forced to flee, gained nothing for your efforts then produced this documentary trying to turn the most humiliating war of American history in to an American victory & you think Canadians are slandering your nation?
"Small things amuse small minds." Doris Lessing
Eddythebeast666 11 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 ummm.. we were a nation of hillbilly's, not very big, fighting the most powerful country in the world because they were wronging our citizens... After the war, we were a stronger country then before, bent on menifest destiny, and nobody was wronging our citizens anymore... I think are goals were accomplished... What has Canada accomplished other then be jealous of the US? Like I said, your constant attempts to compensate are amusing.
airpowerrules 11 months ago
@airpowerrules The USA had agreed to allow impressment with the Jay Treaty which had also given British protection to your shipping from France during your Quasi war with them. Now that treaty had expired & the US had made a deal with Napoleon but failure to form a new treaty with Britain is not justification for war & just to be clear the States that suffered the most from impressment were not the ones calling for war. The issue of Impressment was meant to undercut the federalists in congress.
Eddythebeast666 11 months ago
@airpowerrules We were not wronging your citizens. You were knowingly harboring British deserters & with out a new treaty tensions & disputes could only grow more heated. The issues of the USA having a right to trade freely with France whom Britain was at war while at the same time demanding Britain stop trading with Natives whom you where busy trying to exterminate is hypocritical & idiotic.
These were excuses to go to war not objectives meant to be accomplished by war.
Eddythebeast666 11 months ago
@airpowerrules Manifest destiny is a code word for Native genocide. It means exactly the same thing. To bring it up in conversation as a goal accomplished is as stupid as if British bragged about all the horrors we inflicted. It's not a shining moment.
Eddythebeast666 11 months ago
Don'f forget that this is an American made documentary...
It's bound to be one-sided and biased.
MrCUNTYBALLS 11 months ago
@MrCUNTYBALLS
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MrCUNTYBALLS 11 months ago
@MrCUNTYBALLS history is biased. truth is in the eye of the beholder
victorhng 11 months ago
@victorhng That would be beauty which is purely subjective. Truth are those constant unchangeable facts that all people agree upon to such a degree that those who do not agree have their sanity questioned.
History is not biased. The intent of history is to combine as many perspectives & established facts that are mutually agreeable to present a narrative that is as close to truth as possible. Editing facts to present one side in a positive light isn't history. Its historical fiction.
Eddythebeast666 11 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 do believe this documentary is partially biased
victorhng 11 months ago
@victorhng Seriously? You think it isn't?
The Nazis took Germany from economic ruin in despair & built it in to a unmatched world power. Fantastic advances in technology. Incredible military success. Easy to admire if we just edit out that unfortunate Holocaust business.
It's not OK to edit out Tecumseh & the horrors inflicted upon the Native People by the USA leading up to during & after the 1812 war. US expansion was a huge factor with the war hawks.
Its a contemptible documentary. Insulting.
Eddythebeast666 11 months ago
@victorhng It is not OK to edit out the 3 invasions of Canada by US forces or British efforts to make peace. By doing that they make the British in to the aggressors instead of defenders they truly were.
It mentions the riots in Baltimore but leaves out the "Hartford convention" where 6 states were ready to leave the Union which shows the US was so divided that it all but tore itself apart over this war.
Lies of omission are still lies deliberately intended to misinform the viewer.
Eddythebeast666 11 months ago
@victorhng Lies deliberately structured to turn an expansionist war of US aggression that resulted in 10's of 1000's of meaningless deaths & countless humiliating American defeats. In to a heroic 2nd war of Independence against the forces of EVIL!
The phrase "Manifest Destiny" is a code word for Native genocide. At it's core is the belief of a God given right to annihilate Natives & establish a single white English speaking Christian nation in their place.
Eddythebeast666 11 months ago
@victorhng Do I believe this documentary is partially biased?
I'm part Mi'kmaq & I am completely horrified at the travesty of this documentary. This is an American "Triumph of the Will"
How could your nation produce such a thing?
Eddythebeast666 11 months ago
Continued..: My point is… if this is supposed to be an educational documentary let us tell the whole story, not just the chest thumping fragments of the story. It’s like taking out all the marshmallows from the box of Lucky Charms (I may have done this once or twice) and passing it on to our kids. Remember this war made us brothers!
fgleaner 11 months ago
Instead of presenting impartial & unbiased facts that showcase our (Canada & the U.S.) rich heritage of two fledgling nations I feel that this white wash of a documentary is truly one sided. Yes, the U.S. has the right to be proud of her many accomplishments in this war that displayed bravery & honor but it shouldn’t over shadow the brilliant defence of Canada by our loyalist militias backed by the British of course.
fgleaner 11 months ago
this hurts my brain. They only show the part when British-Canadian forces are in america. They leave out the early part of the war when america got their ass kicked all the time. If it was a American invasion like i said before they would have sent the duke of wellington and no way in hell would america still exist. The grandé army was the best in the world. Not the 4000 troops in the british army. only reason Napoleon lost was because of russia invasion.
isaacBrockofthe41 11 months ago
Also, the Natives hands aren't clean either. They've killed unarmed people before the war even started. Hell they've been doing that long before the white man even came to the New World. No one's hands are clean in this war or any war that followed. So I say again, Calm down. If I wanted to hear whining I would listen to CSPAN, CNN or FOX.
josh47981 11 months ago
Guys, lets calm down. This is just about the Invasion of America. So yes this documentary is going to concentrate more on the American invasion. Not the invasion of Canada, or Tecumseh's war. If you want more details look for other documentaries or read a history book. This is just one version of many versions of the War.
josh47981 11 months ago
@josh47981 Thats exactly it.
This isn't an invasion of American soil. This wasn't a war of American defense. You have to leave out huge amounts of information in order to create such an illusion. There was no attempt at British occupation.
Never mind Canada or the UK taking offence at the butchery of historical facts. Do Native Americans living in the USA have no voice? Are they so beaten in to silence that they dare not challenge such raciest garbage? Hey lets cut slavery out of US history next
Eddythebeast666 11 months ago
@Eddythebeast666
Dude, you are making me laugh. Are you so offended over a documentary? This was an invasion, what else could it be. The British came into the U.S. and attacked and burned the capital to the ground. There is no other word for it. As for the butchery of historical facts... please Canada and the UK hands are not clean either. Each country has its own version of what happened. This is only one version. Get a life before you have a heart attack.
josh47981 11 months ago
@josh47981 Lies bother me. Ignorance bothers me. Deliberate ignorance even more so. If you want to live in a fantasy land thats OK even broad casting that fantasy is harmless right up till you call it history.
Then you've cross the line.
I'm Mi'kmaq & if you'd actually taken the time to review the Canadian Documentary on 1812 it's actually rather fair. Natives didn't cross the Atlantic to invade innocent peoples lands. Everyone Natives killed pretty much had it coming.
Eddythebeast666 11 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 Eh my area of study is usually the American Civil War so I'm no expert during this timeframe. That being said if you want to educate people then educate them instead of calling them stupid, racist or whatever. All that dose is get people riled up and nothing gets done. I'm not arguing your point but you don't see me go out of my way to bash people just because they only know one version of history. Just show them another version, post your own documentaries. That simple.
josh47981 11 months ago
@josh47981 My apologies. My rants were aimed at the makers of the documentary but have greatly widened as more defenders of it have appeared. It's understandable that if events of the war have been forgotten that most viewers would be unaware of the particulars. That does not excuse this show though. The makers could not construct such a thing with out deliberate malice. The Nazis don't seem so bad if you leave out some details. It's NOT ok to leave out Tecumseh. The Canadian one is depressing.
Eddythebeast666 11 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 That is true but the sad truth of it is who rights the history books. Its up to people like you and me to look at the whole picture and try to show people the whole history, not just one small tidbit. Its why there are books out there but sad to say not many people read history anymore. I'm just as guilty of that but I at least have books to fall back on. Most don't.
josh47981 11 months ago
WHAT THE FUCK??? THIS IS AMERICA!!! THE PROUDEST, AND STRONGEST NATION IN THE WORLD! WHY CANT WE HAVE THIS GREAT SINCE OF PRIDE, AND PATRIOTISM NOW???? I ASK EACH ONE OF YOU THAT.
generaltodd2 11 months ago
@generaltodd2 This documentary is an offensive load of crap. It cuts out & minimized all disgraceful moments that the USA had during & leading up to the war.
Pride is not a virtue especially if you you are inclined to edit out the crimes your nation committed against Natives that was a huge part of this war.
Do you want a fantasy with history being closer to myth? Because that is where this is going. Blind nationalism is a horror. Wrapping crap in a flag for mass consumption is unhealthy.
Eddythebeast666 11 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 I'd like to punch you in the mouth.This has how history has been taught for ages and you and your agenda want to screw things up.Show some respect to the US armed forces of the 19th century.This is real history not that nonsense that you are trying to feed the viewers.
level242 11 months ago
@level242 Threats are a "ban" offence on Youtube not to mention as it seriously hurts your argument if "I hit you" is your best response.
I have great respect for those US solders who refused to cross in to Canada. I have great respect for all the good people of the USA that objected to the war going so far as the Hartford Convention 6 states ready to leave the Union.
But the war mongering idiots that this show tries to turn in to heroes I hold in contempt as well as the shows makers.
Eddythebeast666 11 months ago
@level242 The problem is if this is what you're being taught then you have no idea about all the people who died invading Canada to gain not 1" of land.
You don't know about Tecumseh & his heroic battle for the survival of his people or the tragedy of his fall.
You don't know about the terrible civilian loss of life because you are willfully ignorant of what a nightmare this war truly was.All you want is the ego boosting feel good crap but thats not history is it?