Because it's a personal letter from God to each of us, His child, individually, as well as all of us, His family, collectively.
A young father had a terminal illness but before he died he wrote a long letter to his infant son to read as he grew from childhood to manhood. The boy reads it as he grows up, gradually understanding more and knowing his father by the letter. Some parts he doesn't understand but Mom elucidates for him because she knew Dad. (The Church does that for us with Scripture.)
@thelamb777 theres nowhere in the bible i could find mentioning purgatory.Theres Sheol where the unsaved dead await judgement. Theres also the parable about lazerous dying going to Sheol and wanting to warn his brothers but its confirmed in that 'there is a great chasm between" theres no crossing over and no second chances. Bit odd the catholic church promotes this without basis or foundation.It also conflicts with Christs payment for our sin in full as you said
@thelamb777 Jesus' once-for-all sacrifice earned the grace for all people of history who call on His Name to get into heaven. The price for all sins of all people of all time is paid in full... in principal. His sacrifice is not a blanket forgiveness, otherwise we wouldn't have to accept the gift. It is APPLIED every time a sinner turns to Him for forgiveness. Purgatory is the final APPLICATION of the merits of that once-for-all sacrifice. Not everyone needs purgatory (ie martyrs).
@AmericanBerean His sacrifice is available to only those who will believe it...Application is made permanently once a person trusts Christ as their justification against a holy and a righteous God...Just because Jesus was condemned and his blood was shed for the remission of sins doesn't mean everyone is covered, right...It's not a blanket forgiveness UNLESS someone acknowledges the mediatorial role of Jesus Christ to HIMSELF or HERSELF.
@AmericanBerean As far as eternal destinations are concerned, the King James Bible is very straightforward black and white...Purgatory is not Biblical theology...Purgatory was created within man's corrupt imagination and heart to reap to themselves covetous lusts and lucre...i.e the RCC made gullible relatives pay the catholic church through indulgences to eventually work them up to heaven...This is false.
@AmericanBerean God doesn't see our sinful being once we've acknowledged Christ as our personal Savour from death unto life...He sees the person of Jesus Christ, spotless, without blemish, sinless, majestic, perfect, holy, and reverent...God would not send his only begotten Son to a place between heaven and hell...
"For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life." Romans 5:10 KJV
@thelamb777 Yep, when we are saved by the application of Jesus' sacrifice to us, we are indeed spotless, the Spirit indwells us. But if we live long after that we do sin and that impacts our sanctity negatively. Sinning sufficiently badly can evict the Spirit from within us, and we lose our salvation (ie 1John 5:16-17).
So, God provides the means (Purgatory) by which most of us are purified so as to access Heaven. (1 Cor. 3:10-17)
Indulgences are misunderstood, but have been abused.
@thelamb777 Yep, when we are saved by the application of Jesus' sacrifice to us, we are indeed spotless, the Spirit indwells us. But if we live long after that we do sin and that impacts our sanctity negatively. Sinning sufficiently badly can evict the Spirit from within us, and we lose our salvation (ie 1John 5:16-17).
So, God provides the means (Purgatory) by which most of us are purified so as to access Heaven. (1 Cor. 3:10-17)
Indulgences are misunderstood, but have been abused.
@AmericanBerean 1 John is speaking about a physical death...1 Corinthians is talking about the good works we can afterwards build upon the FOUNDATION which is Jesus Christ (not Peter) and how these works will be tried for a reward or no reward at the judgment seat of Christ for all believers...Definitively speaking, all these works are null unless they're built upon the foundation, Jesus Christ, furthermore meaning one must be redeemed by the blood of Christ to obtain full salvation FIRST.
@AmericanBerean Then they're free to express their love for their Savior by doing good works...These good works however will not contribute to their salvation.
"And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand." John 10:28-29 KJV
@thelamb777 Yes, salvation FIRST, then our works are an acceptable and pleasing sacrifice to God. Works without faith are worthless, but good works done in faith are beneficial, & required, to continuing justification & sanctification. Once we are justified (become sons of God) by faith, we are required to work, not just hang out and play. If we don't work, or deliberately behave very badly, we can lose our inheritance. But nothing outside ourselves can take us out of the family.
@AmericanBerean Did you even glance at the verse I posted sir?...Good works EVIDENCE our faith in Jesus Christ...Read in context...Since when is it required for salvation? Our sins debt was paid in full on Calvary CLEARLY...Follow the logic...It was an ETERNAL damnation we earned because of our sins, so it required an ETERNAL Deity to come down to earth and ATONE for them...Eternal cancels out eternal...
"By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ ONCE for ALL. And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can NEVER take away sins: But this man, after he had offered ONE sacrifice for sins FOR EVER, sat down on the right hand of God;"
"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 6:23 KJV
Is it truly a GIFT FROM GOD ALMIGHTY if we had to EARN salvation?
Is it truly a gift from ME if I told you that you can have my new 2011 car for only $100?
Well that's a mighty marvelous DEAL, but logically the car is not a GIFT unless it's FREE...Because hypothetically you still had to pay FOR IT. Same applies to God's gift my friend. Simple.
@AmericanBerean The poor catholic people of this world are VICTIMIZED and ENSLAVED by their HARLOT CHURCH so much so that they could NEVER do a good work for Jesus Christ!...All of their hard work and life is spent on tirelessly trying to earn their REDEMPTION...NONE of their works are out of the heart or LOVE in this ASPECT...They've become a clanging cymbal...
@thelamb777 We cannot earn salvation (Jesus earned it for us), but we can earn to lose it. If, in faith, we accept the Gift, then have not works, our faith avails us naught (James) and we then are not saved. It's in that context that works are required, not in the sense of earning the Gift.
Jesus has saved everyone... in principal but not yet in application fully. His sacrifice is applied everytime a sinner repents and asks forgiveness.
@thelamb777 "they could NEVER do a good work for Jesus Christ!" In an absolute sense, you are right, because flawed humans almost always have a selfishness which drives good works. An act done purely out of love for the Father is possibly unheard of among humans, but God knows we're flawed and accepts good works motivated by selfish motives (ie "rewards" in heaven, etc.).
But no one I know is trying to earn their redemption. That's been done. I've repented, now I obey, to be saved.
@AmericanBerean Absolutely...Baptism, which is by immersion after a person is redeemed ALSO how John the Baptist did IT and Jesus Christ partook in IT, is an act of OBEDIENCE, not a work of salvation. You're misinterpreting John 3 aren't you?
@thelamb777 "an act of OBEDIENCE"... Then if you intentionally do not get baptized, you are disobeying Jesus (Jesus said baptism is necessary to be saved (Mk16:16)). Therefore, you will not be saved.
Jesus did it in order to raise the ritual to the sacramental level. Before Him, John's baptism was symbolic, but since Jesus sanctified it with His own baptism, it now causes what it symbolizes (spiritual regeneration). It is an outward sign of an invisible reality.
Psalm 148:13 says, “Let them praise the name of the Lord: for his name alone is excellent; his glory is above the earth and heaven.” This makes it quite clear that only God’s name (not Mary’s) is to be exalted. (In Catholic Bibles the numbering of the chapters and verses of some of the Psalms is slightly different.) When people tried to give Mary special honor and pre-eminence because she was His mother, Jesus corrected them.
Because if you did, you would find that pretty much all the doctrines, practices and beliefs of the catholic organisation is unbiblical, anti-Christian and completely CONTRARY to the Word of God, my friend.
@kiwichristian2009@kiwichristian2009 I'm so confused. How are "all the doctines, practices and beliefs of the catholic organisation unbiblical, anti-Christian and completely CONTRARY to the Word of God" kiwichristian2009? Just wondering..
@DragonFliesz My friend, the rcc says that evolution is in line with Christianity and catholics can believe in it. This is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says mary was sinless. this is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says confess your sins to a priest. this is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says mary can save you. this is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says peter was "the rock". this is CONTRARY to the Bible. The rcc murdered MILLIONS of Christians. This is CONTRARY to the Bible.
@kiwichristian2009 I think it’s because we read the Bible differently, Kiwi! Try not to forget, rcc IS a Christian denomination. If you read the bible figuratively, Mary being sinless, yes that’s in the Bible. In fact, she’s so important that the only line she has in the whole entire bible is in Luke 1:47 “and now everyone shall call me blessed because my soul magnifies the Lord.”
And my dear friend, the rcc states that evolution AND the book of genesis is key NOT just evolution. Because isn’t it, that faith and belief comes in where knowledge takes off? We can’t simply just base it in one, you’re so silly! Also, confessing sins to the priests… read closely, that too is also in the bible. Didn’t Jesus empower His apostles to forgive men’s sin, sending them to be ministers of reconciliation in His name, as His Heavenly Father first sent Him (Jn 20: 21-23)?
I mean, if He was the one who set everything up, shouldn’t we be following it, then? In James 5:16, God through Sacred Scripture, commands us to “confess our sins to one another.” Scripture does not say confess your sins straight to God and only to God, it says confess your sins to one another! In Matthew 9:6, Jesus says He was given authority on earth to forgive sins. And then Scripture proceeds to tell us in verse 8 that this authority was given to “men” etc
The rcc also states each individual has their own free will – that doesn’t mean we don’t sin!! We’re capable of our own actions but it’s important to point that it’s the humans own mistake AND NOT THE FAITH’s. Everything we do is in the Bible – whether it be holy water, eucharist. Why else do it, then!! Just a simple question.. by believing just with the BIBLE ALONE, and considering all Jesus’ teachings, is that a biblical approach?
@kiwichristian2009 We do not believe in evolution. Mary was sinless, this is biblical, you can confess your sins to a priest this is biblcal , Mary can lead you to him who can save you, and Peter was the rock, this is biblical.
@dis00612 1) In a major statement of the Roman Catholic Church's position on the theory of evolution, Pope John Paul II has proclaimed that the theory is 'more than just a hypothesis' and that evolution is compatible with Christian faith. But God teaches us that He made everything and that there is nothing seen that was not made by Him. He made everything and "saw that it was good", not "saw that it was ok for now".
@kiwichristian2009 "Scripture presents the work of the Creator symbolically as a succession of six days of divine ‘work,’ concluded by the ‘rest’ of the seventh day" (CCC 337), but "nothing exists that does not owe its existence to God the Creator. The world began when God’s word drew it out of nothingness; all existent beings, all of nature, and all human history is rooted in this primordial event, the very genesis by which the world was constituted and time begun" (CCC 338)
@kiwichristian2009 You qouted from JPll did you not? It was only to show you how you interpretted the pope's message wrong just as you've been doing many times.
@dis00612 2) Romans 3:23 says "For ALL have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." Revelation 15:4 says, "Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? For thou ONLY art holy." Romans 3:10 says, There is NONE righteous, no, not one." Luke2:22,24 proves she needed purification from sin.
@kiwichristian2009 He was saying all are subject to original sin. Also, the babies, the mentally challenged cant sin. Also, Paul says "many" are sinners. (Romans 5:19) She was purified at her conception.
@DragonFliesz Absolutely! What better way to show His power, mercy and divinity? Nowhere does the Bible even give the idea that Mary was without sin. If when she gave birth to the purest being this world has ever seen she was still considered to be unclean. Jesus is the only person to be without sin. That is very misleading for the pope to say that she was. Many Catholics put Mary up on a pedistal when she doesnt belong there.
@DragonFliesz Nowhere does the Bible says Mary was sinless or the exception to sin passed on from each generation. For such a miraculous event the Bible surely would have spoken to this issue. Catholics do not find this doctrine from the context of Scripture but from making a pretext out of the Scripture from their Church tradition (which happens to be written down). But again it is not apostolic tradition...
@DragonFliesz I've searched through many different translations of the mainstream bible for 'full of grace', and nowhere is Mary called that. She is told by the angel that she is 'favoured by god', or has 'found favour in god's eyes'. So? David was favoured in god's eyes. At one time Saul was favoured in God's eyes. Samuel was favoured in God's eyes. We are favoured in God's eyes. Again, there is NO scriptural basis for her sinlessness. There is though, for her being a sinner like you and i.
@dis00612 3) Show me where the apostles "heard confession" and forgave sins. On the other hand, show me where they instead showed people HOW to be forgiven, my confessing to GOD alone!
@kiwichristian2009 John 20:23 we see Jesus gave the apostles the power to forgive ans retain sins. How can one retain sins if sins cannot be confessed to them. James 5:16 tells us to confess our faults to oneanother. Who better than a priest who can absolve us of our sins to confess our sins to?
@kiwichristian2009 The obviouslt had the power to absolve sins as we see in John 20:23. Now we see in leviticus 5:4-6;19:21-22 that they confessed their sins and the priest made an atonment for them. We see in 2 corinthians 5:18 tells us the ministry of reconciliation vwas given to the ambassador of the church. james 5:15-16 tells us to summon the priest of the church for those that are sick and the prayer of faith will save that person.
@dis00612 Dont mix up the OT with the NT, remember Christ instituted a new covenant. In the OT, yes, people had to seek absolution from the priests, but we see NO evidence of this in the NT We have the power to forgive those who sin against us, that is clear. james 5:15-16 does not mention priests of any kind! 16 speaks of confessing our FAULTS, ie: if i have an issue with you, if i have sinned against YOU.
@kiwichristian2009 Jesus came not to abolish the law but to fufill the law. The whole OT practice of confessing sins to a priest was NOT abolished BUT the sacrafice of animals was. James 5:14-16 "Is any man sick among you? Let him bring in the priests of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. [15] And the prayer of faith shall save the sick man: and the Lord shall raise him up: and if he be in sins, they shall be forgiven him." This is last rites!
@dis00612 Rubbish. The reason people needed priests was they could not go into Gods presence. When Christ died, the curtain separating the Holy of Holies was torn so that we can have direct access to God. Again, show me ONE instance of the apostles "hearing confessing" or forgiving sins? Remember, Jesus is our High Priest now!
@dis00612 Ahh, circular reasoning. I can do better than that, i can quote you the ENTIRE New Testament to prove there is not one instance that the apostles didnt hear confession or forgive sins.
@dis00612 4) Rubbish. Going direct to Jesus is all you need. How can mary get you to Jesus better than Jesus can? 5) Peter is not the rock, because the 12 disciples, knowing well the OT, recognised the Rock as a description or name for God. Duet32:4,Psalms18:2,Psalm18:31
@kiwichristian2009 Jesus said "You are Peter and upon this Rock i will build my Church. Peter=Rock. Mary's prayers are powerful. We can go to Jesus directly but in that road to him is full of many temptations that will be in our way. Sins will lead us away from him so we can ask Mary to pray for us so she help us on this road to Jesus.
@dis00612 You ignore the CONVERSATION regarding the rock.So, you are saying there are no temptations when you go to mary, so you go to her, rather than trusting God that He will forgive you? Show me an apostle that prayed to or went to mary instead of Jesus, please?
@dis00612 If Peter was Bishop of Rome for 25 years, how could he meet Paul in Jerusalem in 42 AD, and then back in Jerusalem again in 43 AD, and in 56 AD have a dispute with Paul in Antioch about 800 miles from Rome, it appears Peter was not in Rome when RCC declare he was, Can you say that RCC is in error over the time Peter supposedly was in Rome, or has the Bible got it all mixed up?
@kiwichristian2009 Just disrespect for everybody. Assuming that you will go straight to heaven, when your life isn't over yet. Assuming that everyone who is catholic denys Jesus. Hatred towards the people in the
vatican. Thinking you can speak for God, etc, but especially quoting things you get from anti-catholic
sources which are most likely written by anti-catholic groups because other people on youtube use them.
@bestfriend349 Be specific. What have I quoted that is incorrect? I don't hate anyone, my friend. Where did i say that i assume i am going straight to heaven? Through the catholic organisations TEACHINGS, catholics are brainwashed to deny Jesus's words. I know catholicism will be around, but only until the rapture when satans counterfeit Christianity will be crushed by Jesus Christ.
@bestfriend349 Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. Matthew 15:3, 6, 7 "Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? [Y]e made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. Ye hypocrites.". Galatians 1:8,9 - Anyone who preaches differently from the gospel is accursed.
@bestfriend349 I never mentioned anything that forbids you from judging, so i am still at a loss as to what you are getting at. You seem perfectly willing to say that I am saying things that are incorrect, but yet at the same time, refuse to be specific! I am not judging anyone.
@bestfriend349 Ahh, so you are picking up rumors rather than first-hand knowledge? Is that not what you are sort of accusing me of? "Full of yourself". Well? I am nothing but a disgusting filthy sinner. I sin every day, my friend. If God would give me what i have earned or what i deserve, i would be in hell right now. The Bible teaches that yes, I am going to heaven when I die, so yes, i have a blessed assurance of salvation, not based on any "interpretation", but on the plain words of Jesus.
@bestfriend349 I agree with your first statement, but it is not the catholic organisation or ANY religion for that matter that will get you there. No amount of church attendance, prayers or works will get you there, either. There are three words of God that i feel catholics blatantly ignore. Those words are "thou shalt not". I agree that there is an enormous amount of wealth, gold, pageantry, splendor within the catholic organisation. No doubt about it.
@bestfriend349 You STILL havent mentioned what SPECIFICALLY i have said that is incorrect. Please, can you pick ONE thing that you have objected to me saying. And for what it is worth, i appreciate your comments and politeness.
@bestfriend349 Thank you. I appreciate your love for God. What i said was that Christ does not need to be re-sacrificed, pulled down from heaven by the priest again and again. Because the MANNER of the "offering" is different, it CANNOT be the SAME sacrifice. In John19:30 Jesus said, "IT IS FINISHED", which in the Greek is "Tetelestai" meaning "to make an END, to ACCOMPLISH, to COMPLETE something, not mearly to end it, but to bring it to perfection or its intended goal."
@bestfriend349 Yes, it is cannibalistic, because catholics are told to believe that the wafer is turned into REAL flesh. Christ was using the bread ( not wafer ) as a symbol the same way you may demonstrate something to someone by holding up a pen and saying "right, this is me". The rosary contains TEN TIMES more prayers to mary than to God. I know what you are supposed to "focus on" whilst praying, but you are still praying to mary TEN TIMES more than to God. God also forbids repetitive prayers
@bestfriend349 Nope. Please tell me how many prayers TO mary and how many prayers to GOD are in a rosary, please? This is a simple question with a simple answer.
@bestfriend349 So, around TEN times MORE prayers to mary than to God. So, i was NOT incorrect on this. Now,should it at least not be the reverse? What BETTER way to commune with God than to pray to HIM, for HIS NAME ONLY is Holy. And He will not give His glory to anyone else!
@bestfriend349 Matthew 6:7 "But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking." I have heard nuns chanting the hail mary. Man, there is no feeling or meaning in it, just vain babblings, for want of a better phrase. Well, so far you haven't corrected me, you cant even pinpoint one thing that i am wrong about.
@bestfriend349 No. My prayers are between me and God and pertain to me. My prayers are not repetitive, they are communications with God, not repetitions.
@bestfriend349 "Everyone used prayer beads in those days, not just the pagans." prove it, please. I dont see Jesus or the apostles using them. I have heard it said by catholics "if it was good enough for Jesus, it is good enough for me". I have no doubt that the visions of mary are real, that the healings attributed to her are real. That is not the issue i have. The issue i have is that they are not from God. The messages are completely unbiblical.
@bestfriend349 So, who told/taught you that everyone used prayer beads in those days? The satanic visions of mary say, in effect "come to ME", "only _I_ can save you" and "pray to ME". that is satan, my friend.
@bestfriend349 Again, my friend, it is not what individual catholics believe or not believe. "All those who seek Mary’s protection will be saved for all eternity." Pope Benedict XV, "Sinners receive pardon by the intercession of Mary alone." St. John Chrysostom
@bestfriend349 Well, this is what your own said, and it is a statement on faith and morals. now, can you give me the pope saying something like "i am ONLY infallible under THESE circumstances..." ? Because i know the criteria of ex cathedra, but i cant find what pope pronounced this. I know of a number of popes who rejected papal infallibility.
@bestfriend349 off topic here. Can you tell me what YOU say "For all have sinned" means? Also, can you tell me WHO made the "rules" governing ex cathedra? Was it a pope?
@bestfriend349 From Bishop Liguoris' "The Glories of Mary", APPROVED by the vatican! "She (Mary) is . . . the ONLY hope of sinners: (p. 69),"We will be heard and saved sooner by going to Mary, and invoking her holy name, than that of Jesus our Savior. We will find salvation sooner going to the mother than going to the Son" (p. 82),"Many things asked of God and not received are asked and received from Mary (p. 82). All obey the precepts of Mary, even God" (p. 115). ALL CATHOLIC LIES!
@bestfriend349 Wrong. The book has been APPROVED by the vatican. The vatican would NOT approve a book that does not represent its' church teachings. Please provide me with "this is what i mean by that" by the actual author, then.
@bestfriend349 If these were really Mary the Mother of Jesus she wouldn't b calling her Son a liar!By saying that "Mary" is the "Only one that can help you" is actually saying quite bluntly that Jesus the Saviour of the World cannot and will not help you!this is blatant antichristian teaching. This is just one aspect to what the demon os preaching.the same demon is doing it again in "Medjugorje" today as well.Take a look at what the demon says & then take a look at what the Bible says.
@bestfriend349 " Power of Consecrating: The supreme power of the priestly office is the power of consecrating. 'No act is greater,' says St. Thomas, 'than the consecration of the body of Christ.' In this essential phase of the sacred ministry, the power of the priest is not surpassed by that of the bishop, the archbishop, the cardinal or the pope. Indeed it is equal to that of Jesus Christ. For in this role the priest speaks with the voice and the authority of God Himself....
@bestfriend349 ...WHEN THE PRIEST PRONOUNCES THE TREMENDOUS WORDS OF CONSECRATION, HE REACHES UP INTO HEAVENS, BRINGS CHRIST DOWN FROM HIS THRONE, AND PLACES HIM UPON OUR ALTAR TO BE OFFERED UP AGAIN AS THE VICTIM FOR THE SINS OF MAN.". So, there you are, "OFFERED UP AGAIN AS THE VICTIM FOR THE SINS OF MAN.". COMPLETELY contrary to what God has said!
@bestfriend349 I know, my friend, that is why ( and i dont intend this to sound offensive ) i don't care what individual catholics do or do not do or believe or do not believe. It is what the catholic organisation teaches and says that is the issue.
@bestfriend349 I get "hung up" on traditions when they are contrary to the Word of God.AD 1184 The Inquisition AD 1190 Sale of indulgences AD 1215 Transubstantiation AD 1220 Adoration of the wafer (host) AD 1229 Bible forbidden to laypeople AD 1414 Cup forbidden to people at communion AD 1439 Doctrine of purgatory decreed AD 1439 Doctrine of seven sacraments affirmed AD 1508 The Ave Maria approved AD 1534 Jesuit order founded AD 1545 Tradition granted equal authority with bible
@bestfriend349 Jesus instituted only TWO ordinances. Baptism following salvation, and the Lords Supper. Remember that Jesus said that God does not dwell in places made by man.
@bestfriend349 Acts7:48 "Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,". Anyhow, this is a small issue. What i am saying is that God is in our hearts, not in any buildings.
@bestfriend349 We all make mistakes, my friend. I thought for a long time that "wine" in the Bible meant alcohol. I now know it does not. God tells us not to drink alcohol. It took me a LONG time to realize this and then a LONG time to obey it. When i read testimonies of catholic priests who say they performed masses whilst drunk, it really breaks my heart.
@bestfriend349 Transubstantiation is a false doctrine because Jesus instituted Lord’s Supper before his blood was shed and body broken! He spoke of His blood being shed, which was still yet future. This proves it was a symbol.
@kiwichristian2009 YOU SAID TO @BESTFRIEN349 that you have blesst assurance of salvation,not based on any interpretation but on THE PLAIN WORDS OF JESUS CHRIST.that is the biggist lie ever,were in scripture did Jesus assure salvation,Luke 13:22-24 ,Math 7:15-21 Paul said some thing diferint becasue of people that thought they could go to heaven for there works ALONE,we r saved by his mercy and Grace through Faith and works.that is what Jesus taght.excuse my writing spanish is my first language
@kiwichristian2009 Question (completely not related), if you go straight to Jesus, as you say you do, Kiwi, how is it you're not following/ listening what it is he PREACHED in the Bible?
@DragonFliesz Please my friend, do not think i am attacking you or anyone else. I am not. Please strip away any emotions you may feel if you are a catholic and just look at the facts. There are clear and plain contradictions between catholic theology and the Word of God.
@kiwichristian2009 Oh no no, I'm just wondering. I know you're not attacking. Not at all. But what do you mean by Word of God? Like, readings /scriptures from the bible? That's what you mean, right?
@DragonFliesz Cool. If anything, i AM attacking false teachings, but not people. Yes, i mean scripture, the Bible. I try not to over-use the word "Bible" because catholics falsely claim they "gave us" the Bible, which is incorrect. Jesus quoted the Word of God. ie: God-Inspired scripture. It is NOT a case or matter of "interpretation". God says what God says! Where the denominations come in is when they try to say what THEY think God says. ie:...
@DragonFliesz ... "Oh, this passage doesnt mean what it says, it means this..." etc. When the Bible says that no scripture is by any private interpretation, that is exactly what it means. What is written is from God, not from/of man.
@kiwichristian2009 I completely agree, and this is why we have Church doctrines to guide us in interpreting the Bible! What I mean by figuratively is that we do not read it as per word sometimes. And I mean sometimes because in order to fully understand the richness and the wealth of God's love letter to His people (aka the Bible), we gotta connect the history, to Jesus' teachings and apply it to real life.
@kiwichristian200 the peace of my Lord Jesus the Christ be with you.reading the bible alot doesnt meen you understand it u have to read it with the same Spirit that it was writin,2Pet 1:20 and 2 Pet 3:16.the HOLY SPIRIT IS ONLY ONE. there are more than 40,000 difernt denominations,for 1500 years after Christ founded his body there was only the CATHOLIC CHURCH
he Has actually !! He wrote private revelations through prophets necessary for the revival of faith in our times .
You should read True life in God ( Vassula ryden) and the Poem of the man God ( Maria valtorta) . Both have been supported by many saints for maria valtorta ( such as Padre pio, mother teresa etc..) and bishops, other catholic church scholars ( pere rené laurentin ) for vassula . their works have been recognized as being from supernatural origin
he Has actually !! He wrote private revelations through prophets necessary for the revival of faith in our times .
You should read True life in God ( Vassula ryden) and the Poem of the man God ( Maria valtorta) . Both have been supported by many saints for maria valtorta ( such as Padre pio, mother teresa etc..) and bishops, other catholic church scholars ( pere rené laurentin ) for vassula . their works have been recognized as being from supernatural origin
@LouisvHarten Teaching God's will is not against God's will.
"You are the light of the world. A city set on a mountain cannot be hidden. Nor do they light a lamp and then put it under a bushel basket; it is set on a lampstand, where it gives light to all in the house. Just so, your light must shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your heavenly Father." Matthew 5 14:16
Because it's a personal letter from God to each of us, His child, individually, as well as all of us, His family, collectively.
A young father had a terminal illness but before he died he wrote a long letter to his infant son to read as he grew from childhood to manhood. The boy reads it as he grows up, gradually understanding more and knowing his father by the letter. Some parts he doesn't understand but Mom elucidates for him because she knew Dad. (The Church does that for us with Scripture.)
AmericanBerean 2 weeks ago
IF you read the bible you wouldn't be catholic -- you would probably be either protstant or atheist
badpanda84 3 weeks ago
Why do men and women have to pay for their sins in purgatory if it's already payed in full on the cross? MAKE A VIDEO! I DARE YOU.
thelamb777 9 months ago
@thelamb777 theres nowhere in the bible i could find mentioning purgatory.Theres Sheol where the unsaved dead await judgement. Theres also the parable about lazerous dying going to Sheol and wanting to warn his brothers but its confirmed in that 'there is a great chasm between" theres no crossing over and no second chances. Bit odd the catholic church promotes this without basis or foundation.It also conflicts with Christs payment for our sin in full as you said
Pitttdog 8 months ago
@thelamb777 Jesus' once-for-all sacrifice earned the grace for all people of history who call on His Name to get into heaven. The price for all sins of all people of all time is paid in full... in principal. His sacrifice is not a blanket forgiveness, otherwise we wouldn't have to accept the gift. It is APPLIED every time a sinner turns to Him for forgiveness. Purgatory is the final APPLICATION of the merits of that once-for-all sacrifice. Not everyone needs purgatory (ie martyrs).
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@AmericanBerean His sacrifice is available to only those who will believe it...Application is made permanently once a person trusts Christ as their justification against a holy and a righteous God...Just because Jesus was condemned and his blood was shed for the remission of sins doesn't mean everyone is covered, right...It's not a blanket forgiveness UNLESS someone acknowledges the mediatorial role of Jesus Christ to HIMSELF or HERSELF.
thelamb777 2 months ago
@AmericanBerean As far as eternal destinations are concerned, the King James Bible is very straightforward black and white...Purgatory is not Biblical theology...Purgatory was created within man's corrupt imagination and heart to reap to themselves covetous lusts and lucre...i.e the RCC made gullible relatives pay the catholic church through indulgences to eventually work them up to heaven...This is false.
thelamb777 2 months ago
@AmericanBerean God doesn't see our sinful being once we've acknowledged Christ as our personal Savour from death unto life...He sees the person of Jesus Christ, spotless, without blemish, sinless, majestic, perfect, holy, and reverent...God would not send his only begotten Son to a place between heaven and hell...
"For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life." Romans 5:10 KJV
thelamb777 2 months ago
@thelamb777 Yep, when we are saved by the application of Jesus' sacrifice to us, we are indeed spotless, the Spirit indwells us. But if we live long after that we do sin and that impacts our sanctity negatively. Sinning sufficiently badly can evict the Spirit from within us, and we lose our salvation (ie 1John 5:16-17).
So, God provides the means (Purgatory) by which most of us are purified so as to access Heaven. (1 Cor. 3:10-17)
Indulgences are misunderstood, but have been abused.
AmericanBerean 2 months ago
@thelamb777 Yep, when we are saved by the application of Jesus' sacrifice to us, we are indeed spotless, the Spirit indwells us. But if we live long after that we do sin and that impacts our sanctity negatively. Sinning sufficiently badly can evict the Spirit from within us, and we lose our salvation (ie 1John 5:16-17).
So, God provides the means (Purgatory) by which most of us are purified so as to access Heaven. (1 Cor. 3:10-17)
Indulgences are misunderstood, but have been abused.
AmericanBerean 2 months ago
@AmericanBerean 1 John is speaking about a physical death...1 Corinthians is talking about the good works we can afterwards build upon the FOUNDATION which is Jesus Christ (not Peter) and how these works will be tried for a reward or no reward at the judgment seat of Christ for all believers...Definitively speaking, all these works are null unless they're built upon the foundation, Jesus Christ, furthermore meaning one must be redeemed by the blood of Christ to obtain full salvation FIRST.
thelamb777 2 months ago
@AmericanBerean Then they're free to express their love for their Savior by doing good works...These good works however will not contribute to their salvation.
"And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand." John 10:28-29 KJV
thelamb777 2 months ago
@thelamb777 Yes, salvation FIRST, then our works are an acceptable and pleasing sacrifice to God. Works without faith are worthless, but good works done in faith are beneficial, & required, to continuing justification & sanctification. Once we are justified (become sons of God) by faith, we are required to work, not just hang out and play. If we don't work, or deliberately behave very badly, we can lose our inheritance. But nothing outside ourselves can take us out of the family.
AmericanBerean 2 months ago
@AmericanBerean Did you even glance at the verse I posted sir?...Good works EVIDENCE our faith in Jesus Christ...Read in context...Since when is it required for salvation? Our sins debt was paid in full on Calvary CLEARLY...Follow the logic...It was an ETERNAL damnation we earned because of our sins, so it required an ETERNAL Deity to come down to earth and ATONE for them...Eternal cancels out eternal...
thelamb777 2 months ago
@AmericanBerean Hebrews 10:10-12 KJV SETTLES THE DISPUTE.
"By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ ONCE for ALL. And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can NEVER take away sins: But this man, after he had offered ONE sacrifice for sins FOR EVER, sat down on the right hand of God;"
AMEN.
thelamb777 2 months ago
@AmericanBerean ALSO:
"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 6:23 KJV
Is it truly a GIFT FROM GOD ALMIGHTY if we had to EARN salvation?
Is it truly a gift from ME if I told you that you can have my new 2011 car for only $100?
Well that's a mighty marvelous DEAL, but logically the car is not a GIFT unless it's FREE...Because hypothetically you still had to pay FOR IT. Same applies to God's gift my friend. Simple.
thelamb777 2 months ago
@AmericanBerean The poor catholic people of this world are VICTIMIZED and ENSLAVED by their HARLOT CHURCH so much so that they could NEVER do a good work for Jesus Christ!...All of their hard work and life is spent on tirelessly trying to earn their REDEMPTION...NONE of their works are out of the heart or LOVE in this ASPECT...They've become a clanging cymbal...
thelamb777 2 months ago
@thelamb777 We cannot earn salvation (Jesus earned it for us), but we can earn to lose it. If, in faith, we accept the Gift, then have not works, our faith avails us naught (James) and we then are not saved. It's in that context that works are required, not in the sense of earning the Gift.
Jesus has saved everyone... in principal but not yet in application fully. His sacrifice is applied everytime a sinner repents and asks forgiveness.
AmericanBerean 1 month ago
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@thelamb777 "they could NEVER do a good work for Jesus Christ!" In an absolute sense, you are right, because flawed humans almost always have a selfishness which drives good works. An act done purely out of love for the Father is possibly unheard of among humans, but God knows we're flawed and accepts good works motivated by selfish motives (ie "rewards" in heaven, etc.).
But no one I know is trying to earn their redemption. That's been done. I've repented, now I obey, to be saved.
AmericanBerean 1 month ago
@thelamb777 So, if you believe, repent, and go about your Christian life, yet don't get baptized, you will be saved?
AmericanBerean 1 month ago
@AmericanBerean Absolutely...Baptism, which is by immersion after a person is redeemed ALSO how John the Baptist did IT and Jesus Christ partook in IT, is an act of OBEDIENCE, not a work of salvation. You're misinterpreting John 3 aren't you?
thelamb777 1 month ago
@thelamb777 "an act of OBEDIENCE"... Then if you intentionally do not get baptized, you are disobeying Jesus (Jesus said baptism is necessary to be saved (Mk16:16)). Therefore, you will not be saved.
Jesus did it in order to raise the ritual to the sacramental level. Before Him, John's baptism was symbolic, but since Jesus sanctified it with His own baptism, it now causes what it symbolizes (spiritual regeneration). It is an outward sign of an invisible reality.
AmericanBerean 4 weeks ago
Psalm 148:13 says, “Let them praise the name of the Lord: for his name alone is excellent; his glory is above the earth and heaven.” This makes it quite clear that only God’s name (not Mary’s) is to be exalted. (In Catholic Bibles the numbering of the chapters and verses of some of the Psalms is slightly different.) When people tried to give Mary special honor and pre-eminence because she was His mother, Jesus corrected them.
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
Because if you did, you would find that pretty much all the doctrines, practices and beliefs of the catholic organisation is unbiblical, anti-Christian and completely CONTRARY to the Word of God, my friend.
kiwichristian2009 10 months ago
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DragonFliesz 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 @kiwichristian2009 I'm so confused. How are "all the doctines, practices and beliefs of the catholic organisation unbiblical, anti-Christian and completely CONTRARY to the Word of God" kiwichristian2009? Just wondering..
DragonFliesz 9 months ago
@DragonFliesz My friend, the rcc says that evolution is in line with Christianity and catholics can believe in it. This is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says mary was sinless. this is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says confess your sins to a priest. this is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says mary can save you. this is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says peter was "the rock". this is CONTRARY to the Bible. The rcc murdered MILLIONS of Christians. This is CONTRARY to the Bible.
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 I think it’s because we read the Bible differently, Kiwi! Try not to forget, rcc IS a Christian denomination. If you read the bible figuratively, Mary being sinless, yes that’s in the Bible. In fact, she’s so important that the only line she has in the whole entire bible is in Luke 1:47 “and now everyone shall call me blessed because my soul magnifies the Lord.”
DragonFliesz 9 months ago
And my dear friend, the rcc states that evolution AND the book of genesis is key NOT just evolution. Because isn’t it, that faith and belief comes in where knowledge takes off? We can’t simply just base it in one, you’re so silly! Also, confessing sins to the priests… read closely, that too is also in the bible. Didn’t Jesus empower His apostles to forgive men’s sin, sending them to be ministers of reconciliation in His name, as His Heavenly Father first sent Him (Jn 20: 21-23)?
DragonFliesz 9 months ago
I mean, if He was the one who set everything up, shouldn’t we be following it, then? In James 5:16, God through Sacred Scripture, commands us to “confess our sins to one another.” Scripture does not say confess your sins straight to God and only to God, it says confess your sins to one another! In Matthew 9:6, Jesus says He was given authority on earth to forgive sins. And then Scripture proceeds to tell us in verse 8 that this authority was given to “men” etc
DragonFliesz 9 months ago
The rcc also states each individual has their own free will – that doesn’t mean we don’t sin!! We’re capable of our own actions but it’s important to point that it’s the humans own mistake AND NOT THE FAITH’s. Everything we do is in the Bible – whether it be holy water, eucharist. Why else do it, then!! Just a simple question.. by believing just with the BIBLE ALONE, and considering all Jesus’ teachings, is that a biblical approach?
DragonFliesz 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 We do not believe in evolution. Mary was sinless, this is biblical, you can confess your sins to a priest this is biblcal , Mary can lead you to him who can save you, and Peter was the rock, this is biblical.
dis00612 9 months ago
@dis00612 1) In a major statement of the Roman Catholic Church's position on the theory of evolution, Pope John Paul II has proclaimed that the theory is 'more than just a hypothesis' and that evolution is compatible with Christian faith. But God teaches us that He made everything and that there is nothing seen that was not made by Him. He made everything and "saw that it was good", not "saw that it was ok for now".
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 "Scripture presents the work of the Creator symbolically as a succession of six days of divine ‘work,’ concluded by the ‘rest’ of the seventh day" (CCC 337), but "nothing exists that does not owe its existence to God the Creator. The world began when God’s word drew it out of nothingness; all existent beings, all of nature, and all human history is rooted in this primordial event, the very genesis by which the world was constituted and time begun" (CCC 338)
dis00612 9 months ago
@dis00612 So? I quote the Bible, you quote what your cult says. I know where i am putting MY money!
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 You qouted from JPll did you not? It was only to show you how you interpretted the pope's message wrong just as you've been doing many times.
dis00612 9 months ago
@dis00612 2) Romans 3:23 says "For ALL have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." Revelation 15:4 says, "Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? For thou ONLY art holy." Romans 3:10 says, There is NONE righteous, no, not one." Luke2:22,24 proves she needed purification from sin.
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 He was saying all are subject to original sin. Also, the babies, the mentally challenged cant sin. Also, Paul says "many" are sinners. (Romans 5:19) She was purified at her conception.
dis00612 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 Amen to that! Well, for the first part at least. You think, though, God would choose a sinner to bear our Lord? ;)
DragonFliesz 9 months ago
@DragonFliesz Absolutely! What better way to show His power, mercy and divinity? Nowhere does the Bible even give the idea that Mary was without sin. If when she gave birth to the purest being this world has ever seen she was still considered to be unclean. Jesus is the only person to be without sin. That is very misleading for the pope to say that she was. Many Catholics put Mary up on a pedistal when she doesnt belong there.
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@DragonFliesz Nowhere does the Bible says Mary was sinless or the exception to sin passed on from each generation. For such a miraculous event the Bible surely would have spoken to this issue. Catholics do not find this doctrine from the context of Scripture but from making a pretext out of the Scripture from their Church tradition (which happens to be written down). But again it is not apostolic tradition...
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@DragonFliesz ...If Mary was conceived without sin then her parents would have certainly known and would have assumed she was to bare the Messiah.
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 Why then, address her:"Rejoice! (aka Hail) Full of Grace!" by the angel Gabriel in Luke 1:28?
DragonFliesz 9 months ago
@DragonFliesz I've searched through many different translations of the mainstream bible for 'full of grace', and nowhere is Mary called that. She is told by the angel that she is 'favoured by god', or has 'found favour in god's eyes'. So? David was favoured in god's eyes. At one time Saul was favoured in God's eyes. Samuel was favoured in God's eyes. We are favoured in God's eyes. Again, there is NO scriptural basis for her sinlessness. There is though, for her being a sinner like you and i.
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@dis00612 3) Show me where the apostles "heard confession" and forgave sins. On the other hand, show me where they instead showed people HOW to be forgiven, my confessing to GOD alone!
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 John 20:23 we see Jesus gave the apostles the power to forgive ans retain sins. How can one retain sins if sins cannot be confessed to them. James 5:16 tells us to confess our faults to oneanother. Who better than a priest who can absolve us of our sins to confess our sins to?
dis00612 9 months ago
@dis00612 Show me where the apostles "heard confession" and forgave sins.
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 The obviouslt had the power to absolve sins as we see in John 20:23. Now we see in leviticus 5:4-6;19:21-22 that they confessed their sins and the priest made an atonment for them. We see in 2 corinthians 5:18 tells us the ministry of reconciliation vwas given to the ambassador of the church. james 5:15-16 tells us to summon the priest of the church for those that are sick and the prayer of faith will save that person.
dis00612 9 months ago
@dis00612 Dont mix up the OT with the NT, remember Christ instituted a new covenant. In the OT, yes, people had to seek absolution from the priests, but we see NO evidence of this in the NT We have the power to forgive those who sin against us, that is clear. james 5:15-16 does not mention priests of any kind! 16 speaks of confessing our FAULTS, ie: if i have an issue with you, if i have sinned against YOU.
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 Jesus came not to abolish the law but to fufill the law. The whole OT practice of confessing sins to a priest was NOT abolished BUT the sacrafice of animals was. James 5:14-16 "Is any man sick among you? Let him bring in the priests of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. [15] And the prayer of faith shall save the sick man: and the Lord shall raise him up: and if he be in sins, they shall be forgiven him." This is last rites!
dis00612 9 months ago
@dis00612 Rubbish. The reason people needed priests was they could not go into Gods presence. When Christ died, the curtain separating the Holy of Holies was torn so that we can have direct access to God. Again, show me ONE instance of the apostles "hearing confessing" or forgiving sins? Remember, Jesus is our High Priest now!
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 Show me ONE instance the apostles DIDNT hear confessions or forgive sins.
dis00612 9 months ago
@dis00612 Ahh, circular reasoning. I can do better than that, i can quote you the ENTIRE New Testament to prove there is not one instance that the apostles didnt hear confession or forgive sins.
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 And you cant quote a time in the new testament that says they didnt hear confessions.
dis00612 9 months ago
@dis00612 4) Rubbish. Going direct to Jesus is all you need. How can mary get you to Jesus better than Jesus can? 5) Peter is not the rock, because the 12 disciples, knowing well the OT, recognised the Rock as a description or name for God. Duet32:4,Psalms18:2,Psalm18:31
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 Jesus said "You are Peter and upon this Rock i will build my Church. Peter=Rock. Mary's prayers are powerful. We can go to Jesus directly but in that road to him is full of many temptations that will be in our way. Sins will lead us away from him so we can ask Mary to pray for us so she help us on this road to Jesus.
dis00612 9 months ago
@dis00612 You ignore the CONVERSATION regarding the rock.So, you are saying there are no temptations when you go to mary, so you go to her, rather than trusting God that He will forgive you? Show me an apostle that prayed to or went to mary instead of Jesus, please?
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@dis00612 If Peter was Bishop of Rome for 25 years, how could he meet Paul in Jerusalem in 42 AD, and then back in Jerusalem again in 43 AD, and in 56 AD have a dispute with Paul in Antioch about 800 miles from Rome, it appears Peter was not in Rome when RCC declare he was, Can you say that RCC is in error over the time Peter supposedly was in Rome, or has the Bible got it all mixed up?
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 You are misquoting a lot of information to simply satisfy your arguemnts.
How do you live with all of this hatred. If your energy was comming from Jesus, you'd be more
into educating with love than attacking like the devil.
bestfriend349 9 months ago
@bestfriend349 What have I quoted that is not true, my friend?
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 Just disrespect for everybody. Assuming that you will go straight to heaven, when your life isn't over yet. Assuming that everyone who is catholic denys Jesus. Hatred towards the people in the
vatican. Thinking you can speak for God, etc, but especially quoting things you get from anti-catholic
sources which are most likely written by anti-catholic groups because other people on youtube use them.
Catholicism will be around forever.
bestfriend349 9 months ago
@bestfriend349 Be specific. What have I quoted that is incorrect? I don't hate anyone, my friend. Where did i say that i assume i am going straight to heaven? Through the catholic organisations TEACHINGS, catholics are brainwashed to deny Jesus's words. I know catholicism will be around, but only until the rapture when satans counterfeit Christianity will be crushed by Jesus Christ.
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
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@bestfriend349 Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. Matthew 15:3, 6, 7 "Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? [Y]e made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. Ye hypocrites.". Galatians 1:8,9 - Anyone who preaches differently from the gospel is accursed.
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 Once again, I wasn't the one who flagged your comment
addressed to me (I WISH THEY'D STOP DOING THAT)! The point is you are
still wrong. You don't see it but, you quote the Bible and then through you own
opinion in it. One could only wonder how many catholic friends of yours know
you are doiing this on youtube. Even the vatican believes they are doing what
is right and don't have to answer to you.
bestfriend349 9 months ago
@bestfriend349 Yet again, What have I quoted that is incorrect?
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 All of the parts that forbid us from judging, and no I don't
carry a Bible around with me to look up all of your quotes. Where does it say
that YOU have the authority to judge our teachings as opposed to keeping
your mouth shut and leaving the judging up to God. Nowhere does it say that
we cannot have someone interprete the Bible for us.
bestfriend349 9 months ago
@bestfriend349 I never mentioned anything that forbids you from judging, so i am still at a loss as to what you are getting at. You seem perfectly willing to say that I am saying things that are incorrect, but yet at the same time, refuse to be specific! I am not judging anyone.
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 As long as you aren't judging anyone, that is ok then.
However, you sound as hateful as all of the other noncatholics we choose
to ignore. Other people on here seem to think you are full of yourself and
seem to think you said you are going straight to heaven. That is where I
get most of my info. I stay with my own people and try to take care of my
own soul. God bless you.
bestfriend349 9 months ago
@bestfriend349 Ahh, so you are picking up rumors rather than first-hand knowledge? Is that not what you are sort of accusing me of? "Full of yourself". Well? I am nothing but a disgusting filthy sinner. I sin every day, my friend. If God would give me what i have earned or what i deserve, i would be in hell right now. The Bible teaches that yes, I am going to heaven when I die, so yes, i have a blessed assurance of salvation, not based on any "interpretation", but on the plain words of Jesus.
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 Yes, sort of, we are all disgusting sinners, and catholics have as much of
a chance to get into heaven, as anyone else. We follow Jesus words also,we try to.
Our catholic faith is very beautiful. I think what you see as satan, we see as Gods examples
of how to live on earth now, Blessed Mother, the saints etc. It is hard to say our total thought
and opinions on youtube. That is why I have so many quotes from people who love Jesus
on my channel.
bestfriend349 9 months ago
@bestfriend349 I agree with your first statement, but it is not the catholic organisation or ANY religion for that matter that will get you there. No amount of church attendance, prayers or works will get you there, either. There are three words of God that i feel catholics blatantly ignore. Those words are "thou shalt not". I agree that there is an enormous amount of wealth, gold, pageantry, splendor within the catholic organisation. No doubt about it.
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@bestfriend349 You STILL havent mentioned what SPECIFICALLY i have said that is incorrect. Please, can you pick ONE thing that you have objected to me saying. And for what it is worth, i appreciate your comments and politeness.
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 I like your comments and politeness as well, that is why I don't like
when other people flag your comments addressed to me. Ok I'll try to be specific, you don't agree with
the consecration, correct? So, your comments about Jesus being sacrificed over and over again,doesn't
make sense to me, because it is a catholic practice and you are not catholic. Also, our leaders are human
and will make mistakes. God will forgive them and noncatholics are "worrying" for nothing.
bestfriend349 9 months ago
@bestfriend349 Thank you. I appreciate your love for God. What i said was that Christ does not need to be re-sacrificed, pulled down from heaven by the priest again and again. Because the MANNER of the "offering" is different, it CANNOT be the SAME sacrifice. In John19:30 Jesus said, "IT IS FINISHED", which in the Greek is "Tetelestai" meaning "to make an END, to ACCOMPLISH, to COMPLETE something, not mearly to end it, but to bring it to perfection or its intended goal."
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 He did say it is finished. He also said at the last supper, "Do this in rememberance
of Me." Nothing canibalistic about it. That is where I think satan tries to confuse everyone, but God knows
our hearts and that it is done out of love. That is why I don't think that pagan interpretation stuff should
apply on Judgment day. Also, not to change the subject. Mary appeared to St Dominick and gave him the
rosary in the year 1412.
bestfriend349 9 months ago
@bestfriend349 Yes, it is cannibalistic, because catholics are told to believe that the wafer is turned into REAL flesh. Christ was using the bread ( not wafer ) as a symbol the same way you may demonstrate something to someone by holding up a pen and saying "right, this is me". The rosary contains TEN TIMES more prayers to mary than to God. I know what you are supposed to "focus on" whilst praying, but you are still praying to mary TEN TIMES more than to God. God also forbids repetitive prayers
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 Somehow I think you have that twisted.
bestfriend349 9 months ago
@bestfriend349 Nope. Please tell me how many prayers TO mary and how many prayers to GOD are in a rosary, please? This is a simple question with a simple answer.
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 I thought I answered this question but I can't find it now.
To pray the whole complete rosary,212 Hail Marys and 25 Our Fathers, but
we don't pray it like that, it is meant to reflect on the life of CHRIST.
bestfriend349 9 months ago
@bestfriend349 So, around TEN times MORE prayers to mary than to God. So, i was NOT incorrect on this. Now,should it at least not be the reverse? What BETTER way to commune with God than to pray to HIM, for HIS NAME ONLY is Holy. And He will not give His glory to anyone else!
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 We do pray other prayer. such as ETERNAL FATHER, I OFFER YOU THE BODY AND
BLOOD SOUL AND DIVINITY OF YOUR DEARLY BELOVED SON OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, IN
ATONEMENT FOR OUR SINS AND THOSE OF THE WHOLE WORLD.
FOR THE SAKE OF HIS SORROWFUL PASSION,HAVE MERCY ON US AND ON THE WHOLE WORLD.
WRITTEN BY JESUS. I CAN POST MANY PRAYERS FOR YOU IF YOU WOULD LIKE, OR READ MY
CHANNEL.
bestfriend349 9 months ago
@bestfriend349 So, more repetitive prayers?
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
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bestfriend349 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 Yes, but I still can't find anything against this. I think you just don't understand
the power of prayer. I don't think you understand anything, about catholicism.
bestfriend349 9 months ago
@bestfriend349 Matthew 6:7 "But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking." I have heard nuns chanting the hail mary. Man, there is no feeling or meaning in it, just vain babblings, for want of a better phrase. Well, so far you haven't corrected me, you cant even pinpoint one thing that i am wrong about.
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 I know how debaters are, you always find a way a way to be right,
no matter how wrong you are. You haven't convinced me of anything yet either.
bestfriend349 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 That is an interesting comment. You want publish your own prayer?
Saints do it. The Prayer of St Francis. St Patrick, I'll send them to you sometime,but
you can even get them on the internet, if you ever decide to look for the good catholic
examples, or other religions for that matter. God bless you.
bestfriend349 9 months ago
@bestfriend349 No. My prayers are between me and God and pertain to me. My prayers are not repetitive, they are communications with God, not repetitions.
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 (con't) Everyone used prayer beads in those days, not just the pagans.
As for apparitions catholics are not required to believe in them. Mary wants to help us that
is why we believe the approved apparitions are not of the devil. As I have said, I love Jesus,
and I love the catholic faith-sinners and all.
bestfriend349 9 months ago
@bestfriend349 "Everyone used prayer beads in those days, not just the pagans." prove it, please. I dont see Jesus or the apostles using them. I have heard it said by catholics "if it was good enough for Jesus, it is good enough for me". I have no doubt that the visions of mary are real, that the healings attributed to her are real. That is not the issue i have. The issue i have is that they are not from God. The messages are completely unbiblical.
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 This is not always about proving things to you. This is about faith,
which is something that can't be proven. If you read anything that is anti-catholic you
seem to believe it. However, If the visions and the rosary does help us,it is not from
satan, and if people change and become better it is not from satan.
If people, for example become rich but evil, that is satan. If we don't want to accept the
apparitions and the rosary,we don't have to.
bestfriend349 9 months ago
@bestfriend349 So, who told/taught you that everyone used prayer beads in those days? The satanic visions of mary say, in effect "come to ME", "only _I_ can save you" and "pray to ME". that is satan, my friend.
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 I think I read it somewhere other than the bible. We don't believe that
Mary can save us. Only Jesus can save us. Some catholics are obviously mistaken if they
tell you what is wrong. Any catholic, popes, bishops etc. I am not speaking on a personal
level about any of your friends who I don't even know. I know you don't agree with religion
so to go out of my way to prove it would be pointless. If you read what I read you will see
where I get my information from.
bestfriend349 9 months ago
@bestfriend349 Again, my friend, it is not what individual catholics believe or not believe. "All those who seek Mary’s protection will be saved for all eternity." Pope Benedict XV, "Sinners receive pardon by the intercession of Mary alone." St. John Chrysostom
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 They are wrong and other priests say he is wrong about that.
I'll have to read about this saint again, but he obviously loved Jesus very much or he
wouldn't be a saint. Like St Thomas who doubted the resurection of Jesus until he
saw him, but he was also a very powerful speaker who also loved Jesus.
bestfriend349 9 months ago
@bestfriend349 Well, this is what your own said, and it is a statement on faith and morals. now, can you give me the pope saying something like "i am ONLY infallible under THESE circumstances..." ? Because i know the criteria of ex cathedra, but i cant find what pope pronounced this. I know of a number of popes who rejected papal infallibility.
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 THE POPES CAN CHANGE WHAT THE PREVIOUS POPES HAVE
SAID. AS I KEEP TRYING TO EXPLAIN, THEY ARE HUMAN. IF THEY THINK THEY ARE
GOD, THEY HAVE SERIOUS ISSUES DON'T THEY. I KNOW PEOPLE WHO LIKE TO
THINK THEY ARE GOD TODAY, ARE THEY GOD? NO. WE USE OUR BRAINS GOD
INTENDED FOR US TO USE. MY PEOPLE? I TRY TO FOLLOW JESUS AND SO DO
MOST OF MY PEOPLE.
bestfriend349 9 months ago
@bestfriend349 What about if a statement is made ex cathedra?
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 The pope can change those also. Just because you don't understand people
who don't think like you doesn't mean what we do is wrong. What you have read may be wrong
or changed over the centuries as well.
bestfriend349 9 months ago
@bestfriend349 So, papal "infallible" statements are not "infallible" ?
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 Apparently not forever, if the current pope can change them.
I am looking up what a vain repition means at the moment. I don't think the
catholic encyclopedia is agreeing with you so far.
bestfriend349 9 months ago
@bestfriend349 Wow. I thought "infallible" means "without error". is this not right? Of course the catholic encyclopedia would not agree with me.
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 Nor will I agree with your anticatholic sources.
bestfriend349 9 months ago
@bestfriend349 Just as i will not agree with your anti-Christian sources. So now, you are saying the Bible is "anti-catholic"?
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 I just wanted to end this discussion by apologising if I got
to emotional. I respect your beliefs and your love for Jesus. I know you love him
as much as I do. I don't want to end this as one of those vicious or emotional
catholics or noncatholics on youtube. God bless you and whatever God calls
you to do.
bestfriend349 9 months ago
@bestfriend349 off topic here. Can you tell me what YOU say "For all have sinned" means? Also, can you tell me WHO made the "rules" governing ex cathedra? Was it a pope?
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 Your channel is anti-catholic although I do believe mean well.
You don't only use the bible so you can stop trying to convince me of that.
I believe it was the pope the council,yes people,obviously. Like we said way in the
beginning, I know you love Jesus and I love Jesus. We can't change the past. I can't
look up any information now. You don't believe in religions and that won't change. We
love Jesus no matter how you try to twist it around it, cannot change that.
bestfriend349 9 months ago
@bestfriend349 From Bishop Liguoris' "The Glories of Mary", APPROVED by the vatican! "She (Mary) is . . . the ONLY hope of sinners: (p. 69),"We will be heard and saved sooner by going to Mary, and invoking her holy name, than that of Jesus our Savior. We will find salvation sooner going to the mother than going to the Son" (p. 82),"Many things asked of God and not received are asked and received from Mary (p. 82). All obey the precepts of Mary, even God" (p. 115). ALL CATHOLIC LIES!
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
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bestfriend349 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 They are wrong. They are lies,but I think you read to much into
what they are trying to say, taking only part of what they say and printing it. You or
your information sources. My other comment I typed wrong.
bestfriend349 9 months ago
@bestfriend349 Wrong. The book has been APPROVED by the vatican. The vatican would NOT approve a book that does not represent its' church teachings. Please provide me with "this is what i mean by that" by the actual author, then.
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
Ok. one more time. They were wrong we shouldn't worship Mary. If he worshiped Mary,he wiil
have to answer for that. A true catholic follows Jesus, and probably doesn't get as worked up
about this as you seem too. I know your point is that you don't believe in any religions anyway.
We follow the good examples. the bad ones get excommunited or will end up in hell. What
more do you want.
bestfriend349 9 months ago
@bestfriend349 If these were really Mary the Mother of Jesus she wouldn't b calling her Son a liar!By saying that "Mary" is the "Only one that can help you" is actually saying quite bluntly that Jesus the Saviour of the World cannot and will not help you!this is blatant antichristian teaching. This is just one aspect to what the demon os preaching.the same demon is doing it again in "Medjugorje" today as well.Take a look at what the demon says & then take a look at what the Bible says.
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 Just so you know Medjugore was investigated and not approved.
I totally respect what you are saying-About everything.
bestfriend349 9 months ago
@bestfriend349 " Power of Consecrating: The supreme power of the priestly office is the power of consecrating. 'No act is greater,' says St. Thomas, 'than the consecration of the body of Christ.' In this essential phase of the sacred ministry, the power of the priest is not surpassed by that of the bishop, the archbishop, the cardinal or the pope. Indeed it is equal to that of Jesus Christ. For in this role the priest speaks with the voice and the authority of God Himself....
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@bestfriend349 ...WHEN THE PRIEST PRONOUNCES THE TREMENDOUS WORDS OF CONSECRATION, HE REACHES UP INTO HEAVENS, BRINGS CHRIST DOWN FROM HIS THRONE, AND PLACES HIM UPON OUR ALTAR TO BE OFFERED UP AGAIN AS THE VICTIM FOR THE SINS OF MAN.". So, there you are, "OFFERED UP AGAIN AS THE VICTIM FOR THE SINS OF MAN.". COMPLETELY contrary to what God has said!
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 Also, I understand where you may get confused about religions, but
even catholics may not have there information correct and will say anything to win an
argument, because we are human. That is why I like all people who love Jesus no matter
what they believe, and when life is over, we know we will have to answer to God. People
start their new churches out of love and probably confusion if they left the catholic church.
Look at the messed up world over 2000 yrs and beyond.
bestfriend349 9 months ago
@bestfriend349 I know, my friend, that is why ( and i dont intend this to sound offensive ) i don't care what individual catholics do or do not do or believe or do not believe. It is what the catholic organisation teaches and says that is the issue.
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 I think leadership is important in anything. We really, really, really,
are not FORCED to do anything. Traditions get passed down from generation to generation,
it can't be helped, so I don't understand why you get so hung up on the traditional stuff.
Also, if people are disobedient and choose to go to hell, they will go there. Catholics and
everyone.
bestfriend349 9 months ago
@bestfriend349 I get "hung up" on traditions when they are contrary to the Word of God.AD 1184 The Inquisition AD 1190 Sale of indulgences AD 1215 Transubstantiation AD 1220 Adoration of the wafer (host) AD 1229 Bible forbidden to laypeople AD 1414 Cup forbidden to people at communion AD 1439 Doctrine of purgatory decreed AD 1439 Doctrine of seven sacraments affirmed AD 1508 The Ave Maria approved AD 1534 Jesuit order founded AD 1545 Tradition granted equal authority with bible
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 All of the seven sacraments. And when our conversations are over,
you will probably continue doing what you are doing.and so will I.
As far as any gold, the catholics want to build the best churches to worship in,
Many, but not all priests take a vow of poverty. People here seem to try to explain
things to you and still you don't seem to even want to understand.
bestfriend349 9 months ago
@bestfriend349 Jesus instituted only TWO ordinances. Baptism following salvation, and the Lords Supper. Remember that Jesus said that God does not dwell in places made by man.
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 I never heard of that my friend ( the second part).
God lives in our hearts. The seven sacraments help us with carrying
out the traditions. We are only human after all.
bestfriend349 9 months ago
@bestfriend349 Acts7:48 "Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,". Anyhow, this is a small issue. What i am saying is that God is in our hearts, not in any buildings.
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 I meant transubstanciation not consecration.
bestfriend349 9 months ago
@bestfriend349 Ahh. Well, there is more Biblical evidence to refute transubstantiation that to confirm it.
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 Still make mistakes, whether it is grape juice or wine it is the desire to remember
Christs sacrifice. I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT. I need some coffee.
bestfriend349 9 months ago
@bestfriend349 We all make mistakes, my friend. I thought for a long time that "wine" in the Bible meant alcohol. I now know it does not. God tells us not to drink alcohol. It took me a LONG time to realize this and then a LONG time to obey it. When i read testimonies of catholic priests who say they performed masses whilst drunk, it really breaks my heart.
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 Again, people are human. Alcoholism is a desease. Priests get drunk on
alcohol before it is turn to the real presense of Jesus. Ofcourse it is heartbreaking, satan wants
to destroy the credibility of the catholic church. When did you start getting heartbroken over
priests.
bestfriend349 9 months ago
@bestfriend349 Transubstantiation is a false doctrine because Jesus instituted Lord’s Supper before his blood was shed and body broken! He spoke of His blood being shed, which was still yet future. This proves it was a symbol.
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 The point is to remember what Jesus did for us, and move
on.Again, if catholics get obsessed over this, I am not one of them.
bestfriend349 9 months ago
@bestfriend349 It breaks my heart to know that the majority of catholics don't know whats happening under their very noses.
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 Because we focus on the present, our love for Jesus, and do not
dwell on anyones past mistakes- for me anyway.
bestfriend349 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 YOU SAID TO @BESTFRIEN349 that you have blesst assurance of salvation,not based on any interpretation but on THE PLAIN WORDS OF JESUS CHRIST.that is the biggist lie ever,were in scripture did Jesus assure salvation,Luke 13:22-24 ,Math 7:15-21 Paul said some thing diferint becasue of people that thought they could go to heaven for there works ALONE,we r saved by his mercy and Grace through Faith and works.that is what Jesus taght.excuse my writing spanish is my first language
atuservicio100 8 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 Question (completely not related), if you go straight to Jesus, as you say you do, Kiwi, how is it you're not following/ listening what it is he PREACHED in the Bible?
DragonFliesz 9 months ago
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bestfriend349 9 months ago
@DragonFliesz Sorry, that comment was meant for kiwichristian2009,
so I deleted it.
bestfriend349 9 months ago
@DragonFliesz Please my friend, do not think i am attacking you or anyone else. I am not. Please strip away any emotions you may feel if you are a catholic and just look at the facts. There are clear and plain contradictions between catholic theology and the Word of God.
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 Oh no no, I'm just wondering. I know you're not attacking. Not at all. But what do you mean by Word of God? Like, readings /scriptures from the bible? That's what you mean, right?
DragonFliesz 9 months ago
@DragonFliesz Cool. If anything, i AM attacking false teachings, but not people. Yes, i mean scripture, the Bible. I try not to over-use the word "Bible" because catholics falsely claim they "gave us" the Bible, which is incorrect. Jesus quoted the Word of God. ie: God-Inspired scripture. It is NOT a case or matter of "interpretation". God says what God says! Where the denominations come in is when they try to say what THEY think God says. ie:...
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 I am talking about the OT and NT that forbids us from judging.
You don't just quote the Bible, and you know it. What you say is interesting because
you see it different, and then the hatred you cannot see comes through, as an enemy.
bestfriend349 9 months ago
@DragonFliesz ... "Oh, this passage doesnt mean what it says, it means this..." etc. When the Bible says that no scripture is by any private interpretation, that is exactly what it means. What is written is from God, not from/of man.
kiwichristian2009 9 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 I completely agree, and this is why we have Church doctrines to guide us in interpreting the Bible! What I mean by figuratively is that we do not read it as per word sometimes. And I mean sometimes because in order to fully understand the richness and the wealth of God's love letter to His people (aka the Bible), we gotta connect the history, to Jesus' teachings and apply it to real life.
DragonFliesz 9 months ago
@kiwichristian200 the peace of my Lord Jesus the Christ be with you.reading the bible alot doesnt meen you understand it u have to read it with the same Spirit that it was writin,2Pet 1:20 and 2 Pet 3:16.the HOLY SPIRIT IS ONLY ONE. there are more than 40,000 difernt denominations,for 1500 years after Christ founded his body there was only the CATHOLIC CHURCH
atuservicio100 8 months ago
lol good point :)
newtochrist 11 months ago
This video is great, I'm going to play it in a Bible Study I'm leading tomorrow for High School students
VegetaRulezxyz 11 months ago 3
Too bad God hasnt written anything since the last 2000 years.
He really should write back more often
badpanda84 11 months ago
@badpanda84
he Has actually !! He wrote private revelations through prophets necessary for the revival of faith in our times .
You should read True life in God ( Vassula ryden) and the Poem of the man God ( Maria valtorta) . Both have been supported by many saints for maria valtorta ( such as Padre pio, mother teresa etc..) and bishops, other catholic church scholars ( pere rené laurentin ) for vassula . their works have been recognized as being from supernatural origin
leifei95 10 months ago
@badpanda84
he Has actually !! He wrote private revelations through prophets necessary for the revival of faith in our times .
You should read True life in God ( Vassula ryden) and the Poem of the man God ( Maria valtorta) . Both have been supported by many saints for maria valtorta ( such as Padre pio, mother teresa etc..) and bishops, other catholic church scholars ( pere rené laurentin ) for vassula . their works have been recognized as being from supernatural origin
leifei95 10 months ago
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@badpanda84 God does his work through us today. Yes, the Bible is meant to be used
forever.
bestfriend349 10 months ago
The answer is so you don't get screwed over by things like the selling indulgences scam again
badpanda84 11 months ago
The Bible is god's love letter to me>? that's shit is fkd up
I read the bible and did bible study, it wasn't that romantic, where is god's A game?
God is a scrub and no, i don't want no scrubs
shandcunt 1 year ago
@LouisvHarten Teaching God's will is not against God's will.
"You are the light of the world. A city set on a mountain cannot be hidden. Nor do they light a lamp and then put it under a bushel basket; it is set on a lampstand, where it gives light to all in the house. Just so, your light must shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your heavenly Father." Matthew 5 14:16
You make great videos, keep making new ones!
packerphan25 1 year ago
kkkkkkk funny, I liked the part of she sings "awesome God" =)
catolicismoemfoco 1 year ago
Wonderful! What a great video. Thanks for making it and God bless you!
kookieduck61 1 year ago
i'd recommend it! infanticide! genocide! encourages rape! cracking read!
WTFCCMEOOONi 1 year ago
@WTFCCMEOOONi Yeah, these people have gotta be super fucked up if they actually read the Bible and are actually okay with what is in it.
pgdevil 1 year ago
@pgdevil Proverbs 14:15 - 'The simple believeth every word'. pretty much sums it up.
WTFCCMEOOONi 1 year ago
Good video.
Side note - I think the blond girl and the young guy are siblings.
Nothing gets by me!
NWONEWSNOW 1 year ago
@NWONEWSNOW I dunno. I went to their website and they have two different last names. It did say that the couple are really married, though.
Frach438 1 year ago