JFK Assassination Do The Math P1

[andreasegde]

You're using a DRAWING from the Warren Commission?

[Kens167]

@andreasegde Well... they are non toxic and they do not explode. Seems ok to me.

[TheSojunn]

Brilliant Ken.Considering you only get one chance at it,I'm wondering if they'd pick the best and most well versed shooter and spotter team even though 377ft with a 65ft elevation isn't much.A couple of names come to mind,although with a client as big as the president i wouldn't be surprised if one of them was called upon to execute such a task.When i first saw the overhead of Dealey Plaza, that building caught my eye but i was thinking a lower elevation.Well, i guess it had to be the 6th floor.

[Kens167]

@TheSojunn Thank you for your kind words. However, I did make a small error. I failed to use the 3 deg slope of the road because I thought the "angle of the camera" would take care of it. Like Mr. Meyers, I made a mistake. The difference is I admitted to mine. The shooter was on the roof. Same horizontal location. See my video "Mr Meyers error and how to fix it". You will also like part 6 and part 7. Thanks for writing.

[7071t6]

It depend's on what type of round used, if you shot a human head the pressure in the head, it would will explode if the round is traverling at over the speed of sound, but if it's going lower speed but using a different round like a hollow point, well the head would blow up like it did.even the X Ray film's a not of JFK at the national Achives, bullet fragment's they have need to be tested, if the are from a Mauser 7.62 or the gun they found or a Remington XP 1000.

[Kens167]

@7071t6 Thanks for bringing this subject up. The bullet fragmentation is probably the most understudied aspect of the assassination. If you read the autopsy doctors deposition you will get a much better idea of what happened. This evidence was not used by the WC because it disproved the single bullet theory. I wrote in my book "Triangulated Fire" that all of the autopsy drs stated the pristine bullet could not have wounded both men because of the fragments in Gov Connally leg and arm.

[Kens167]

@7071t6 The estimate of total fragmentation of the head shot bullet was "less than 10 percent" The head wound has a definite entry wound to the back of the head and a definite exit wound on the right side of the head. This is supported by the z film, the autopsy drawing, and the autopsy photos. If one triangulates the wound with the heard turned one finds Mr. Meyers' horizontal angle correct. I have a video on how to correct his vertical angle error and it is in my book as well.

[Kens167]

@7071t6 The bottom line is that there was no exploding bullet. The head spin after the bullet struck would not have happened if the bullet had exploded. One must have a bullet that crosses perpendicular planes. Thanks for the comment.

[Kens167]

@jasrogg oooohhhh, we can cuss. What are you 12? Grow up.

[Kens167]

@jasrogg But most of all get a brain and an education. You won't sound so stupid if you do.

[cruisersism]

This Evil LBJ statement WE believe refers to the murder of JFK

"It is the Melancholy law of human societies to be compeled sometimes to chose a great evil in order to ward off a greater evil"

YOU want to see a guilty MAN? check this out , = LBJ coments on JFK assasination 1969.wmv

[Kens167]

Who's videos were you watching? All of mine say all three shots came from behind.

[yeees123]

Hello, sir!

I have been watching those frames over and over again, and It seams to me, that the president was actually hit from behind. Let me explain: just before the frame, where the blood and brainmatter burst out, we can see the head tilting very fastly to the front. That is when the bullet entered. The subsequent rapid push to the back seems to be the result of the tissue pushing at the brain, because it had kinetic energy to move forward BECAUSE of the bullet striking from behind!

[Kens167]

Good question. Wind can have an effect, if strong enough. However, it doesn't seem to have a major effect. I used the wind on the American flag in proving my point on the AP photo. It definitely not strong enough to change the trajectory more than a few minutes (as in angles, not time)

[Kens167]

Really? Which bullet at what point in time? Do you think that a body can slow it ,down, or can gravity or can the resistance of the air, or does it just travel at 2200 feet per second forever?

[MrYellowlabs]

The bullet was traveling over 2200 feet per second......not 1400

[TravellerFellow]

@MrYellowlabs that is simply wonrg.  google the speed of the 6.5 round, as fired from this rifle. it is a high POWERED not HIGH velocity rifle round. idiot.

[MrYellowlabs]

@TravellerFellow Google the "Warren Commission" or Bugliosi`s "Reclaiming History", retard!

Oh, and by the way...your little "patsy" acted all alone!

[suicidesucks08]

@MrYellowlabs no way

[MrYellowlabs]

@suicidesucks08 way

[suicidesucks08]

@MrYellowlabs nope

[MrYellowlabs]

@suicidesucks08 yep

[suicidesucks08]

@MrYellowlabs I know you take the easy way out.... so i'm sure you know what to do with yourself

[MrYellowlabs]

@suicidesucks08 In other words, what you`re doing with yourself right now.

[thebrooksy011]

maybe you could do the math on why the motorcycle policeman catches the presidemtial limo just before he gets of it thus proving this zapruda film has been altered

[Kens167]

@thebrooksy011 Do you think it could be because the limousine slowed way down before the fatal head shot and the motorcycle didn't? Nah, that would be logical and mathematical now wouldn't it? The Zapruder film was not altered. The sides of the film were removed in 3 spots. This was important in frames 208 through 211.

Try paying attention. Learn math later.

[Kens167]

A reporter that couldn't spell... no wonder I never heard of him. Did he say where it exited? Or should that be ixeted?

[jfkcia]

From reporter Seth Kantor's notes, "Intered (sic) right temple" Do the math.

[Kens167]

OOOOOO! Are we picky or what! Never mind the information.... let's decide on the style!

[fitz715]

this is absurd... using the warren reprt illustration of the head wound? How tidy!

[Kens167]

That is correct, both can't be true. The blow out to the back of the head is phony. Think about where the shooter would have to have been to do that. Keep in mind the head was tilted down 27 deg. The only wound in front was where the tracheotomy was done. The shooter would have had to been on the floor in front of the back seat. I will go over this in detail when I release part 7 in about 6 weeks.

[PMnews1]

You have some good points here but I believe some of the evidence has been tampered with. The Zepruder film shows the front left of the skull blown out like you show but there is an autopsy photo that shows the back of his skull blown out. They can't both be true.

[Kens167]

Try telling that to the Navy Seals and those 3 Somali pirates. By the way the forensic pannel on the Warren Commission, of which there were 6 members, testified 5 to 1 that the bullet went straight. The last time the object that the projectile did not go straight... was a musket ball. 

[freshy789]

@Kens167 Might wind have affect of this shot?

[Tenom1]

Bullets don't fly in straight lines.

[1nightstorm]

Until the Justice Department goes after someone or revises the historical record all JFK assassination can be considered counter-productive because the public does not have the power to arrest or detain. In this research, if I am right aand the shooter was on the SS followup car running board, your research masks him. If you are right and I am wrong, my opinion masks your two shooters. If both of us are wrong, it masks someone located elsewhere. It's a quagmire.

[Kens167]

@1nightstorm Neither my, nor your research masks anything. Discussion is good. And all of my research on the shots fired and the wounds are all backed up by math. To defeat what I have stated, which isn't opinion but a mathematical statement, one has to either defeat the math OR show another scenario is as well supported or better supported by math.

[Kens167]

@1nightstorm One thing I have not emphasized enough, though my reviesed Part 1a (which will be posted in a few days) begins to emphasise, is that they tried to make all shots look as if they came from the 6th floor window. That way it looked like Oswald was the only assassin. Ever seen anything on any horizontal angle? I guarantee you that all the vertical angles match the 6th floor window. Not one of the horizontal angles do.

[Kens167]

@1nightstorm In about 1- 2 weeks I will post a video that will show what went wrong in D. K. Meyers "Secrets of a Homicide: JFK Assassination..." AND what the fix does to the placement of the shooter on the headshot. It will be a blockbuster.

[1nightstorm]

More comments: "collar" is a better adjective than "lapel" for Jackie's dress. Next time you go to dealey Plaza, back up a few feet from the Z-313 X mark and stand on a box to simulate the height of the SS followup car (traffic permitting). Hold your arm out like you are shooting a weapon. Now follow the trajectory of you arm backwards. It points back to the roof of the Dal-Tex building. The SS vehicle is never factored into trajectory analysis.

[Kens167]

@1nightstorm From either 60 ft high at the SBDB or 80 ft high at the Dal-Tex the angle is 15 deg. That is a very flat shot from the SS vehicle. A number of people, including Charles Brehm and the AP photographer, Ike Altgens, both combat vetrans. There is nothing to suggest a shot from the SS vehicle. And since we know the effusion went from left to right, It would have had to have been a shot from the let running board.

[1nightstorm]

There is reason to suspect JFK was shot from the SS followup vehicle & perhaps the bumper of his own parade car. In the most recent Bill Newman interview posted online Bill said suited men with weapons left the SS followup car & ran past he & family up the knoll following the shooting. Dan Rather described on TV agents riding the parade car's bumper after he saw the Z-film. Almost all the attack visuals are missing the Elm turn. A few witnesses thought JFK was standing up prior to the Elm turn.

[1nightstorm]

Your Altgens photo analysis is outstanding. Regardless of the zoom setting, I too got the areas you got in your photos when I was at the photographer's location.

In the 2 enlarged versions of the Zapruder film from 'Image", ince you've made screen grabs look at Jackie's solide black lapel in z-312 and compare it her lapel in z-313. Notice how her lapel changes to what looks like a white shirt and tie. Visuals researchers believe this is one edit point in the film.

[Kens167]

@1nightstorm Excelent! I have not looked at her blouse. I have suspected for a long time that there has been major doctoring to the interior of the limo, which includes the people. There is a very good reproduction of the AP photo from some magazine. It is not clear as to which. but you can see the credit given to the AP photographer so it is a definet reproduction... continued...

[Kens167]

@1nightstorm Look at the driver of the SS vehicle. Next to the driver is a disemboided hand. I don't won't to make light of anything, but it looks like "Thing" from the Adams Family. There are also some funky things with the mirror.

[Kens167]

@1nightstorm Look at the driver of the SS vehicle. Next to the driver is a disemboided hand. I don't won't to make light of anything, but it looks like "Thing" from the Adams Family. There are also some funky things with the mirrors of both JFK's limo and the SS car. Thanks for writting and good work!

[Kens167]

on #1. The problem from a shot comming from the car behind is the vertical trajectory is too high for any of the 3 wounds. The range is from 21.5 (for the shortest distance) to 15 for the longest.

[1nightstorm]

This is very interesting and well presented research. I do have a couple of questions to ask the producer:

1. The SS followup vehicle is not factored into the backward trajectory (it never has been in any reconstruction). Could JFK been shot from the running board of that vehicle?

2. If the Zapruder film has indeed been tampered with, does that throw your calculations off? If so, can you work around the film entirely?

[Kens167]

@1nightstorm There was some tampering, but the film, was finally put back together properly. But if it hadn't, it would have thrown the timming off. I have checked all the Frames from 206 through 316 and can not find any problem. I did a video on the time between shots and reactions from the victims to bullets and the sound.

[Kens167]

@HouseofFrogs You've been licking the frogs, haven't you.

[Kens167]

There was a wind blowing. Brain matter is light. Had a large amount of effusion exploded out the back, it would have showed up on the film.

[themeaningoflife38]

Parkland ER nurse Patricia Hutton in her written statement says the DR told her to place a pressure dressing the rear of JFK's head.She says this was no use of course due to the large gaping wound in the REAR of JFK's head.Her statement was classfied TOP SECRET for many years.It is now online for anyone to read.

[Kens167]

@themeaningoflife38 Did you ever wonder how a large gaping wound in the back of the head appeared without any effusion comming out? The only large gaping wound was on the right side of the head. It was documented and showed up on the Z film.

[themeaningoflife38]

@Kens167 The policeman on the motorcycle at the left rear of the limo was covered in blood and brain matter.

[MrJuanlennon]

One thing that every investigator, law inforcement official or enthusiast has to agree on...The shot(s) were fired from a considerable height. There is no getting around that. At all.

[Kens167]

@MrJuanlennon That's right. By the way, part 1B or the second half of 1 has a 3 degree error(it was the roof of the Dal-Tex building). I straighten that out in 4a.I will fix this soon. Oh, jump to part 8000, 8b, and 8c. I re-enact the fatal head shot from the SBDB, the grassy knoll and the roof of the Dal-Tex building using live ammunition. 8c also explains the massive skull damage.

[mesh24lv]

so no matter if he was standing or kneeling it still came from this building?

[Kens167]

@mesh24lv Yes. Between shots one and two the limo traveled 18 feet and that changed both the horizontal and vertical angles one degree. To change the vertical only two to three feet would not have a noticeable effect.

[Kens167]

Sorry, I went through tis in Part 1. You do not know what you are doing. You started this with the reason I am wrong is because the brains were on the trunk because the shot came from the knoll. Now you have the shot comming from the 6th fl. You r outtta time. Have a real question ok, anoter bad comment and u r blocked.

[klnine]

his brain collected by Jackie was on the trunk..end of maths lesson boys !

[Kens167]

@klnine Not exactly. She stated to Mrs. Connaly that her husband's brains were in her hand before she crawled on to the trunk to help the secret service agent into the limo. For his brains to be on the trunk, one would have seen the effusion go backwards. It went to the right side. Go learn some math and physics.

[klnine]

@klnine My physics were care of Uni of Bath (Bsc.) , and Manchester U (Phd in particle physics )...and yours sir ?

[Kens167]

@klnine Horse Hockey. If you had even taken one course in physics you would not have thought his brains were on the trunk. But for the moment I will play along. So tell me, where did the shot come from? How did you come to that conclusion? Time to shine boy. Put up or shut up.

[klnine]

@Kens167 pretty boring question , the whole world knows it came from the grassy knoll, (even Costner !) back and to the left ! Of course th fact that the splatter hit the motorcycle cop (behind the limo0 and jack dives over the trunk. Next you'll be saying everyone ran to the knoll to get away from the Book depository !

Still waiting for education credentials in math n physics punk !

[Kens167]

@klnine Your busted boy.You don't have a clue. I spent a lot of time in the insurance claims industry ferreting out frauds and phonies. My credintials do not matter. Why? Because I did the math and that is the only thing that counts. Here is another clue for you boy. Brains don't fall out of someone's head. But you don't know if they are pushed or pulled. Last chance. How did the brains get on the trunk. Not some effusion, the brains.

[klnine]

@Kens167

Dear Ken

'the shot came from 6th floor book depository, Lee Harvey Oswald using a derelict 1950's rifle when he could have used a real marksman's gun.

The shot from the rear have no brain or blood on the windscreen, or on the driver ..because Kens 167 has another theory . Lets hear some smarts from you stud..Especially about your degree in...?

[Kens167]

@klnine Let's see if Mr. PHD can do the math. Give us mathmateical justification. A PHD can do that. And it won't take long.

[funkmasterjee]

1400 f.p.s ? Typical rifle velocities are 1800 to 3200 f.p.s (the M.C rifle is about 2000 fps)

I have seen a blown-up close up of the head shot frame by frame and the first indication of any impact (frame 313) is a clear red/pink wound just above the right temple (consistent with a shot from the front right). There is no indication what so ever of entrace-impact to back of the head. Parklands witnesses all confirm a large exit wound to the rear right of head. You wrongly assumed a rear shot

[Kens167]

@funkmasterjee The 1800 to 2000+ ft/sec velocity you speak of is the muzzle velocity, i.e. the speed of the bullet as it leaves the rifle. The 1400 ft/sec estimate I referred to is the speed at a distance of 377 ft . My estimates are based on the military estimates presented in Dr. D. B. Thomas’ work “Hear No Evil”. The drag of the air and gravity slows the bullet down as the distance increases.

[Kens167]

@funkmasterjee I revised that speed upward later on because I failed to consider the 3 degree angle of the road, which shortened the distance and, therefore, increased the velocity of the bullet at impact. See the series for part 4, in reference to the speed at impact.

[Kens167]

@funkmasterjee As for the impact, there is plenty of evidence the bullet entered in the right upper back quadrant of the President’s head. Looking at a blow up of a frame cannot change the obvious. In frame 313 one sees the massive effusion from the very large exit wound on the right side of the head travels from left to right. From frame 314 through frame 320 one can see the massive exit wound and the flap of skin/hair produced by the bullet. Entry wounds are very small.

[Kens167]

@funkmasterjee Go back and look at frame 313. Depending on where you think the assassin was firing from, a shot from the right would have passed through the skull and hit either the First Lady or people standing on the left of the limousine or the motorcycle cop. The only clear shot at the President and Gov Connally (see the Part 3 series) was from behind. You clearly believe there were multiple shooters. Remember they were there to kill the President, not to massacre the crowd of on lookers.

[ephisiancrawford]

@ken167 If that were the case then that round came from over his left shoulder and behind him. Then that would mean the shooter was not on the DTX building. He woild have been more to the left

[Kens167]

@ephisiancrawford Actually, that was my original position, but the math corrected that idea. The shot came from the Dal-Tex, see part 4A for exact position. One can be from behind and to the left. Remember, his head was turned to the left 25 degrees when the shot struck. You wlll see more in part 4B, which will be out shortly..

[ephisiancrawford]

Numbers don't lie; good work.

[lyndonlied]

Ken, your math seems quite precise. It shows that the fatal shot "could have" come from behind, but it does not prove that it did.

The autopsy drawing was a product of the Warren Commission and was designed to help prove the lone assassin theory. Basing your mathematical figures on an illustration that may, or may not accurately represent the angle of the bullet wound to the head is like building a spanish tile roof on a house of cards. Please use the x-ray or something more reliable. thanks

[lyndonlied]

Ken, thanks for all your hard work. It is compelling information. I mentioned the above so as to get more accuracy and clarity, not to criticize.

[Kens167]

@lyndonlied Thanks for the comment. I did not use the autopsy drawing to come up with the angle. I used Dale K. Myers angles of the head and the x-ray along with some graphs. As I confessed in part 4A, I was wrong... by one degree. It was 11, not 10 degrees. An alternate method I am using in the part 4 series found this error.

[DKetch1966]

Ken, did you say "NSA reenactment"? I believe (if I am not mistaken) that it was an FBI reenactment with Secret Service agents (from the original motorcade) as stand-ins. These were done for the Warren Commission. NSA is signals intelligence (SIGINT).

[Kens167]

@DKetch1966 Actually I used both. I have seen it atrributed to both agencies. It doesn't matter either way, the photos and statistics are the same no matter who participated.

[spinners123]

This may be true but with the math can you say there was not a concerted effort !

[Kens167]

@spinners123 Glad you caught on quickly. You would after the posting of 4a. Should be ready today or tomorrow.

[IrishStorm1]

Dude, while I appreciate and admire your maths competence, you really could have saved yourself all the effort. Warren Commission proponents have tried to defy the simple laws of physics since 1963. The Zapruder film doesn't really require explanation, and to even do so is beyond ridiculous. Its as obvious as a crow is black that the fatal shot came from the Grassy Knoll. If I see a white dove in front of me, I won't even entertain the notion that its a black crow despite efforts to convince me.

[Kens167]

@IrishStorm1 Dude you need to take a class in physics. Just a little Newtonian physics will do. Part 1 where I explain the head spin and the body being thrown bacwards and to the left is a demonstration of his first 3 laws... in order. See if you can lable them. By the way, a physics professor named Louis Alvarez also saw it that way. Study hard, Dude.

[usmcoth]

This was not a surprise what so ever for me.  I too have been working along the same lines and came to nearly the same conclusion.

[Kens167]

I thought an octagon would help in showing the changes in position of the head.

[justinjoyit13]

Good job. One thing though, the position of the limo is still undertermined to the the exact spot. The 'X' on the roadway for instance is well known to be inaccurate. It is extremely difficult to judge, within a margin of 5-10 feet or so either way, where the exact spot the limo was at from the Z film or the other sources. Similarly there is the question of where it was in the roadway from the gutter. There will be a margin of at least 12-24 inches. How does that effect the math?

[Kens167]

A few inches won't affect a full degree. It would only change the minutes. I'll have to do the math to tell you how many feet it would take to change one degree on either the horizontal or vertical plane. Thanks for asking. It is a great question.

[AlfonsM]

Ehm, why is the head an octagon in your diagrams?