@darktard Mmmm, I disagree. How do u even know your hypothesis is true: "humans will always make the bad choice eventually?" Considering life is better today than it was 1000 years ago?? A few correct choices must have been made. Secondly, if mankind creates AI, it was by choice, and if AI saves the world, it was indirectly the choice of man. Thirdly, what makes you think AI will SAVE the world? AI and Intellligence are both hypothetically capable of emotion and thus can make the wrong choice.
@darktard I disagree. Organic material is WAY more limitless than machine. If anything, we ARE the very definition of AI: "a system that perceives its environment and takes actions that maximize its chances of success." This is also known as conscious evolution.
@kailabreece Ha an animal will always be an animal. We may not think as wildly as one but we can easily trick ourselves too. By educating the "young" we make our own "way of life". So we are limited. Age limits us but AI do not age as easily as we. If they were to find to be achieve the ability to think for themselves. That kind of possibility is what im talking about AI limitless! ROFL!
@darktard Why do you keep tyoing rofl? We are AI by definition and organic life (age) is only limited by our science. Replacebale/upgradeable organs and parts are already mor ethan science fiction. Also, if we design a robot AI, then it is designed in our likeness... thusly it would INHERIT our traits (weaknesses) like a child. You seem like an interesting person, go read "Physics of the Future," I bet you'd love it. Be well.
Artificial intelligence has a chance to be the humanity's ticket to eternity though our creative innovation.
A flawless form of life, likely benevolent or neutral, far from the media painted image of a merciless machine race of conquerors.
After all what a form of artificial life that already is free of constraints of mortality and vulnerability could wish from a confrontation of a violent manner?
All GOVERNMENTS, CORPORATIONS, SENSITIVE PEOPLE OF THE WORLD, UNITE!! FOCUS SPENDING MONEY FOR THE INNOVATION OF THE AI and Space. Our life shouldn't be so simple.
Hi Kailabreece. Nice video. It's something that fascinates most of us. The issue becomes problematic where the AI crosses over the boundary from automaton to self aware being. I'll post my video in response to the question of why we're afraid of AI for it's relevance. But we not only fear the unknown of it's independence, but of how we treat it, and how we may judge ourselves for that treatment. "The Measure of a Man" was a fav episode of mine in STNG where humanity is examined on this point.
I think artificial intelligence will be extremely important in helping us to comprehend our nature. The company of an A.I will help us grow, bipass our irrationalities and improve our mental powers.
I can't wait for a new unbiased consciousness to be developed.
I agree... sort of... A.I. and self-awareness are not synonymous, true, but they aren't opposites either. Using your example, the Terminator was an A.I. who BECAME self-aware. The I-robot was and A.I. who BECAME self-aware. Artificial Intelliengece is a step before self-awareness. The tow are most certainly connected.
LOL. I'm glad we are debating the self-awareness of the terminator... hehe.
You say the terminator was never self-aware, only acting human... I interpreted the scene where he kills himself to be VERY self-aware... as for the Sonny character, he was the A.I. evolution into self-awareness. The last scene in the film where all the others begin to see him and follow him is testament that they too were starting to become aware.
If there is one thing I do know, we both enjoy a good sci-fi film. :)
We know little about consciousness and I would suggest that minds are highly complex and hard to 'artificially' create; i.e. corporeality is a part of our subjectivity (à la Maurice Merleau-Ponty) and self-awareness arises and exists within the context of a community of minds. The misuse of metaphorical language (information, memory, logic) has produced a false mechanistic view of self-awareness, which in turn has caused overconfidence in the prospect of AI.
- I disagree... Although "overconfidence" may be a factor in when such developments can be realized, the human body is a machine... Maybe the overconfidence lies in humanity's belief that it is *Special*
I suppose it all depends on how loosely you apply the 'machine' metaphor; personally I find it unnecessary and self-deprecating.
And humanity is special. Allow me to demonstrate with a concrete example. Our long distance conversation concerning whether our species is special. No other species possesses the tools, the language and the deindexicalised-awareness to accomplish this feat. Still, it is mundane by my everyday standards and probably by yours too, correct?
Well, that's entirely speculative. I certainly would not so casually doubt the rare Earth hypothesis and, even assuming alien life, self-awareness is an altogether different matter. However, we are drifting off topic.
Yes it is speculative but so is the rare earth hypothesis and I would wager that the later is less likely than the possibility of millions of earth like planets scattered throughout a multi-verse.
We r not drifting off topic, I was disagreeing with your "concrete" example of how humanity is special, with respect to A.I. To return to the topic, I can see a connection between self-awareness and A.I. Many lower forms of life on earth could b defined as mere A.I. because they r NOT self-aware.
And the multiverse hypothesis is speculative as well. My example was concrete whereas your counterpoints seem to rely on scientifically controversial speculation. Besides, I suddenly realise that this contention is trivial to my chief point, which is to say that Singularitarians and Transhumanists are overconfident for the reasons stated in my first post. I do not understand how the possible existence of other self-aware entities in different universes is of any relevance to this assertion.
If you would like me to respond to your initial "assertion" I will repeat my initial "assertion"... I do NOT think they are overconfident, but it is humanity that is overconfident in its self-defined-speculative-uniqueness. My comment on "the possible existence of other self-aware entities in different universes" was a response to YOUR analogy... its relevance is relevant to your claimed assertion of a concrete example prooving humanity is special.
This is a false dichotomy; my point is that it is entirely valid to believe both. I.e. that humanity is overconfident in its uniqueness (although I still think this is contestable) and that Transhumanists are overconfident for the reasons I initially stated . Whether or not humanity is unique in a multiverse that may not even exist has no bearing on the implausibility of A.I. as Transhumanists envision it.
AI will save the world, NOT US!
darktard 10 months ago
@darktard Technically... if we create AI, isn't that then us saving the world? The next evolution??
kailabreece 10 months ago
@kailabreece Technically no. Because humans will always make the bad choice eventually. Those who have power will use it. We know this.
darktard 10 months ago
@darktard Mmmm, I disagree. How do u even know your hypothesis is true: "humans will always make the bad choice eventually?" Considering life is better today than it was 1000 years ago?? A few correct choices must have been made. Secondly, if mankind creates AI, it was by choice, and if AI saves the world, it was indirectly the choice of man. Thirdly, what makes you think AI will SAVE the world? AI and Intellligence are both hypothetically capable of emotion and thus can make the wrong choice.
kailabreece 10 months ago
@kailabreece AI has limitless possibilities where we do not. Rofl. We'll always be the same animal. Hahahaha
darktard 10 months ago
@darktard I disagree. Organic material is WAY more limitless than machine. If anything, we ARE the very definition of AI: "a system that perceives its environment and takes actions that maximize its chances of success." This is also known as conscious evolution.
kailabreece 10 months ago
@kailabreece Ha an animal will always be an animal. We may not think as wildly as one but we can easily trick ourselves too. By educating the "young" we make our own "way of life". So we are limited. Age limits us but AI do not age as easily as we. If they were to find to be achieve the ability to think for themselves. That kind of possibility is what im talking about AI limitless! ROFL!
darktard 10 months ago
@darktard Why do you keep tyoing rofl? We are AI by definition and organic life (age) is only limited by our science. Replacebale/upgradeable organs and parts are already mor ethan science fiction. Also, if we design a robot AI, then it is designed in our likeness... thusly it would INHERIT our traits (weaknesses) like a child. You seem like an interesting person, go read "Physics of the Future," I bet you'd love it. Be well.
kailabreece 10 months ago
Artificial intelligence has a chance to be the humanity's ticket to eternity though our creative innovation.
A flawless form of life, likely benevolent or neutral, far from the media painted image of a merciless machine race of conquerors.
After all what a form of artificial life that already is free of constraints of mortality and vulnerability could wish from a confrontation of a violent manner?
Anonymous00230 2 years ago
All GOVERNMENTS, CORPORATIONS, SENSITIVE PEOPLE OF THE WORLD, UNITE!! FOCUS SPENDING MONEY FOR THE INNOVATION OF THE AI and Space. Our life shouldn't be so simple.
fascista1933 2 years ago
Hi Kailabreece. Nice video. It's something that fascinates most of us. The issue becomes problematic where the AI crosses over the boundary from automaton to self aware being. I'll post my video in response to the question of why we're afraid of AI for it's relevance. But we not only fear the unknown of it's independence, but of how we treat it, and how we may judge ourselves for that treatment. "The Measure of a Man" was a fav episode of mine in STNG where humanity is examined on this point.
RichardRoy2 2 years ago
I more or less adopt John Searle's view that *strong* aritificial intelligence is impossible because the compulational model of the mind is false.
brainpolice2 2 years ago
Why is the computational model of the mind false?
kailabreece 2 years ago
I think artificial intelligence will be extremely important in helping us to comprehend our nature. The company of an A.I will help us grow, bipass our irrationalities and improve our mental powers.
I can't wait for a new unbiased consciousness to be developed.
SuperFinGuy 2 years ago
Interesting subject.
SuperFinGuy 2 years ago
I gleefully look forward to the singularity.
Mastikator 2 years ago
you're confusing A.I.
with self-awareness
the two are not synonymous
for example
the terminator was A.I.
I-robot was self-aware
so the question isn't about robot rights
it's about sentient rights
and we haven't even figured out the more important immediate rights yet
such as colored rights, gay rights, woman's rights, minor's rights... thinking rights
Shadizar666 2 years ago
I agree... sort of... A.I. and self-awareness are not synonymous, true, but they aren't opposites either. Using your example, the Terminator was an A.I. who BECAME self-aware. The I-robot was and A.I. who BECAME self-aware. Artificial Intelliengece is a step before self-awareness. The tow are most certainly connected.
kfherrmann 2 years ago
I agree that the two are connected
to an extent
but terminator was never self aware
he learned to act human
that was his programming
self-awareness is an intuitive leap
like a mathematical equation that suddenly makes sense
sonny was sonny, and he had emotions
terminator was T850 series model 101
and he was "a machine"
Shadizar666 2 years ago
LOL. I'm glad we are debating the self-awareness of the terminator... hehe.
You say the terminator was never self-aware, only acting human... I interpreted the scene where he kills himself to be VERY self-aware... as for the Sonny character, he was the A.I. evolution into self-awareness. The last scene in the film where all the others begin to see him and follow him is testament that they too were starting to become aware.
If there is one thing I do know, we both enjoy a good sci-fi film. :)
kfherrmann 2 years ago
Chuckles
my more immediate issue was the robot rights
we can't even agree on "human" rights
and we're worrying about robot rights?
sounds like another one of those
"my dog has more rights than I do"
and she does
Shadizar666 2 years ago
Interesting, but I am sceptical.
We know little about consciousness and I would suggest that minds are highly complex and hard to 'artificially' create; i.e. corporeality is a part of our subjectivity (à la Maurice Merleau-Ponty) and self-awareness arises and exists within the context of a community of minds. The misuse of metaphorical language (information, memory, logic) has produced a false mechanistic view of self-awareness, which in turn has caused overconfidence in the prospect of AI.
RowanFortuneWood 2 years ago
"false mechanistic view of self-awareness"
- I disagree... Although "overconfidence" may be a factor in when such developments can be realized, the human body is a machine... Maybe the overconfidence lies in humanity's belief that it is *Special*
kfherrmann 2 years ago
I suppose it all depends on how loosely you apply the 'machine' metaphor; personally I find it unnecessary and self-deprecating.
And humanity is special. Allow me to demonstrate with a concrete example. Our long distance conversation concerning whether our species is special. No other species possesses the tools, the language and the deindexicalised-awareness to accomplish this feat. Still, it is mundane by my everyday standards and probably by yours too, correct?
RowanFortuneWood 2 years ago
Well, I guess it also depends how loosely we define special. Special on earth... ok... special within the universe, I doubt it.
kfherrmann 2 years ago
Well, that's entirely speculative. I certainly would not so casually doubt the rare Earth hypothesis and, even assuming alien life, self-awareness is an altogether different matter. However, we are drifting off topic.
RowanFortuneWood 2 years ago
Yes it is speculative but so is the rare earth hypothesis and I would wager that the later is less likely than the possibility of millions of earth like planets scattered throughout a multi-verse.
We r not drifting off topic, I was disagreeing with your "concrete" example of how humanity is special, with respect to A.I. To return to the topic, I can see a connection between self-awareness and A.I. Many lower forms of life on earth could b defined as mere A.I. because they r NOT self-aware.
kfherrmann 2 years ago
And the multiverse hypothesis is speculative as well. My example was concrete whereas your counterpoints seem to rely on scientifically controversial speculation. Besides, I suddenly realise that this contention is trivial to my chief point, which is to say that Singularitarians and Transhumanists are overconfident for the reasons stated in my first post. I do not understand how the possible existence of other self-aware entities in different universes is of any relevance to this assertion.
RowanFortuneWood 2 years ago
If you would like me to respond to your initial "assertion" I will repeat my initial "assertion"... I do NOT think they are overconfident, but it is humanity that is overconfident in its self-defined-speculative-uniqueness. My comment on "the possible existence of other self-aware entities in different universes" was a response to YOUR analogy... its relevance is relevant to your claimed assertion of a concrete example prooving humanity is special.
kfherrmann 2 years ago
This is a false dichotomy; my point is that it is entirely valid to believe both. I.e. that humanity is overconfident in its uniqueness (although I still think this is contestable) and that Transhumanists are overconfident for the reasons I initially stated . Whether or not humanity is unique in a multiverse that may not even exist has no bearing on the implausibility of A.I. as Transhumanists envision it.
RowanFortuneWood 2 years ago
"Valid to believe both."
Ok. Sounds good.
kfherrmann 2 years ago