Look up the work of Dr. Thomas campbell. It will all make sense. He's uploaded countless hours of free lectures on his page TWCJR44. Have an open mind, unlike Mr Randi.
He probably went into some sort of meditative or half asleep state, because of the static TV. White noise is part of something called binaural beats. It is used in all kinds of areas to create spiritual experiences.
@feuchster Yeah I am not saying he experienced anything supernatural, but if I had to guess, he didn't just have a dream, because the vividness and memory of details he described are rare in dreams. He also specifically remembered the static TV and white noise is often used to bring people into a meditative state to create spiritual experiences just like the one he mentioned. Spirituality does not contradict rationality btw., Sam Harris believes this to be true as well.
@GuitarSongCoverDude You would have to give evidence of this "spirit" thing for your whole comment to be taken seriously at all. Secondly, I have very very detailed dreams, just like millions of other people, on a not so rare basis.
Look, you are confusing the supernatural term 'spirit' with the rational term 'spirituality', which I used loosely to describe his type of experience. Am I saying that he definatly had more of a spiritual experience rather than a simple dream? No, I am not. That was just my guess. But you are acting as if any kind of spirituality was a thing contradictory to all sound reason and probability, which it isn't.
Dear James, I love you sense of humor and the way you tell a story. Now I have one for you I was undergoing a colonoscopy suddenly I am looking at myself from above. I hear the doctor and his team joking around.
Next I am back in the recovery room and I mention this to my doctor. I tell him what the jokes were about. Wow, he says that’s right. Now, did I have a dream or hallucination and if so why did I recall what they we doing and saying. Perhaps I was awake enough to hear what was going on and incorporate it into my dream, is this possible. Annie:)
Back in grade 7 or 8, I remember walking in to class with a freind in the morning and we walked to the back of the class to hang our jackets up. As I was hanging mine up, my freind asked me why I takeing my jacket up because it was time for recess! I was stunned....I didn`t remember anything from the last two hours! nothing! (My geuss is I missed a spelling lesson that morning hehe sigh) Other than that, nothing strange noted in this life.
Just a vivid dream. I remember one vivid dream when I was kid involving goofy looking monster type things in my shed. They were just hanging out not really doing anything but the dream seemed so real, I thought I got up in the middle of the night, walked out back to the shed, saw the monsters, then went back inside and went back to bed. I remember it taking a while to sink in that it must have been just a dream....but even stranger than that......
Randi is an escapologist, and an atheist too. furthermore, he is not just interesting in finding out what's going on: he has an agenda. It 's good to remember it.
I have a had a few OOBEs and I can say that as amazing as they were, I didn't see anything conclusive to prove that I actually left my body. Still, they are very unusual and they seem to occur in a half awake state. They are different from dreams because dreams occur in a much deeper state of sleep. There also seems to be physical sensations associated with them. Strange, I think that more research should be done on them.
To educate skeptics is kinda like educating the guy who picks up my trash but here it goes! The brightest people on earth are all mathematicians! And by an overwelming majority they do not preach atheism! You skeptics get your rocks off by saying "I'm right and your wrong, its science." Your high on a political form of crack. But in reality you skeptics are nothing but cranks. High and mighty as you may feel I think your ego got ahead of you IQ.
@bryanjones007 Why do you assume the smartest people are mathematicians? And why WOULD a mathematician preach atheism? It's not their job to be open with their personal beliefs. I think you'll find that the "brightest" people (Scientists, Mathematicians, Genius-types) are on average, less religious than the public. I've never heard someone flatly claim "I'm right and you're wrong," but rather "You're wrong, and here's why: ..."
(cont). Many, many NDE researchers who have studied NDE's for 30 years, and they have not come to a solid position on the matter, and many are in fact slightly irked by the fact that everything they produce is essentially ignored if it doesn't fall into a general idea accepted in science. I get that we have a base for everything, but until legitimate research is done, the stigma toward NDE's (along with the assumptions) are very similar to denying the earth revolves around the sun.
The reason I say this is because there should be no default 'skeptic position'. There is no such thing. There are many, many things in this world, so to take a position that says they are all wrong, despite conflicting evidence, isn't the most rational way to go about it. It feels as though Randi has a legitimate bias against this type of stuff, which I understand, but it feels as though he is grasping straws here. I wish he kept a more neutral point of view, mainly because there are
I respect James Randi, and agree with him on basically everything. However, (and I hope I don't get too much flak for this), I feel as though this 'experience' of his was not exactly genuine, and on top of that, does not reflect the majority of 'true' OBE's. His description sounded like it was copy/pasted off an internet source. I understand that skepticism is good, but when we have a position that is literally skeptical of everything, it becomes less headstrong and more like a cult.
@jbearden One does not make others feel logical dude. But if you listen to all of James videos, you can hear that everything he talks about, have been through a lot of thinking, in a logical way.
He can explain everything in detail, but I'm sure you believe in Homeopathy in such nonsense instead of this brilliance.
@Zeratchi I did not STATE that logic is "feeling". I said he makes YOU... YOU, the type of people who hear this stuff, and think it's PLATO! You are just as dumb about logic as those horrible fucking 'ghost hunter" baboons! NEITHER of those two camps know logic. OBVIOUSLY.
Completely irrelevant. Either people get accurate information when they are having an OBE or they don't. It's been shown many many times that they do. Ignore Randi, he is not an honest sceptic and has an agenda.
Anyone who who thinks there is no Soul, that does not survive the death of the body, science has discovered the location of the consciousness on a quantum level, in Micro-tubules. Plus there are the hundreds of thousands of clinical case studies of reincarnation. James Randi is a fool for the sake of foolishness.
@Mortaryan Anyone who is considered to be a logical and reasonable person, will not believe in either Religion or any other form of absence forces. So while calling James Randi a fool, who can and will explain most things in a logical way, you are pointing out the foolishness of your own comment.
I think there is something to the Out of Body Experience. National Geographic made a film called Moment of Death and towards the end there was this case of a person having open heart bypass surgery, and the guy was able to describe in detail the surgeons habits of stretching and other things. They even interviewed the surgeon and he stood by what the patient said he saw while completely knocked out.
lol so many fooled people here. He proved his experience was not an OBE. There is a whole science to it and books written on the subject, experiments performed and so on. He makes a conclusion on just his experience and of course he is biased cause his job is to debunk everything...
@Liofle There is science which aims for us to understand & explain it and there is science to explain how to induce these experiences, yes. OBEs do exist, we all know that. What has yet to be proven is the belief that an Out of Body Experience is a spiritual phenomena as opposed to some form of mental hallucination. That's what Randi's debunking. And in terms of his bias, it's towards skepticism, not cynicism. That means he will always examine the facts before he believes in anything.
He is obvious a liar that will say anything (because he has no moral code or conscience) to self justify his blind faith in nothing. He is a nihilist, hates life, and wants everyone else to, also, just like hitchens and dawkings, he is just another fundamentalist high priest of suicidal narcisism. Materialistic and or secular fundamentalism is just as bad and just as much blind faith as religious fundamentalism.
Wow. You certainly seem to take things on blind faith, like your unproven claims that these people are narcissistic, moral-less, nihilists. What are you, a fucking shrink?
@ciaobellakate Not blind faith, just pure empiricism. And no I am not a "fucking" shrink, but I did study abnormal psychology, and you obviously need a therapist.
@DyingWithDignity666 And all you believers are wrong :) This could go on a long while! Also I'd just like to define: I'm an Atheist, which means I have no belief in any gods or spirits, rather than I believe in nothing. I do have many beliefs, just none of them are supernaturally based, beyond 'I believe that the supernatural does not exist'.
I don't believe out of body experiences are real but its strange to me the one time this happens to him he happens to have only three details and two of which he just happen to have explanations for.
Remember, you can only see what your knowledge allows you to see. We often find exactly the result we are looking for. Just because you haven't experienced something doesn't mean that it's not possible for somebody else. Being skeptical and using the scientific method is great, but don't presume to have all of the answers. You don't.
@AmberNite23 if it is possible for someone else its possible for me. if you make a claim that i do not find possible please provide evidence and knowledge on how to make your claim possible. if you can't do that you're full of shit. its a very easy concept.
James Randi would want us to live in a sane world with no Bigfoot,Chupacabra,Space Aliens who built our pyramids and zapped our cattle in the fields to learn about life on earth,Poltergiests, UFO's etc.how boring to just want "the facts"
Hasnt there been cases of OBE's on the operating table where patients pointed out to nurses that there was a penny on top of a dusty cupboard or a trainer on a window ledge. Ive heard those kind of stories before. How they are explained or whether they were even true I dont know. But the sensible way to approach it is to go with the empirical evidence, but at the same time dont close the mind to possibility. We've had Electricity just over 100 years. Science is still an infant.
@outofslumber I don't believe in this. There's always a rational explanation. THe most important thing about science is correct observation and precisely recording the observation. This rarely happens in those cases you mentioned. The observers are usually biased in some ways.
michael shermer can explain out of body experiences that seems to make a lot of sense. So does James Randi here that just because you have an experience doesn't mean the experience is at it seems. just search youtube for michael shermer out of body experience since it won't let me post the url here.
I had the same experience when I was about 5 or 6 year old. It seems to me at that time it was a very vivid dream. So much that I'm 53 now and still remember it very clearly, no that was the most anusual dream I ever had, so wy it is so important in this dream to be remembered for so many years?
I had one of these as a teen.. When I delved into this to learn what had happen....there was a book I read called Journeys Out of The Body...its pretty way out !!! Never have been able to reproduce it..
I can prove God is REAL Mr. Randi. I found the True Location of the Garden of Eden. I found where God left His WATERMARK of it. Make sure you contact me to give me that million.
it is good to be sceptical and telling a funny storyby scientist. There is no prove in this matter. I had two obe's and I was scared as hell and looking around in peace. The search I have done, for years convinced me that we are more than our physical body. No matter what people say. I know that there are people that lie about this, but the people I met were very educated and friendly people with degrees in lots of things. Why should everybody lie about this? They don't
You are going by the assumption that because you talked to very educated people that they could not be wrong, which is a logical fallacy; no one, not even the smartest of the smartest, is right about everything, and this is such a case. They were, as you were, fooled by their imagination.
It is also a logical fallacy to assume that because they don't lie that it really happened as they think it happened. One may genuinely believe it, but that doesn't make it real.
@is1337 No no your assumption is totally wrong. By the way. sorry for my english, but I said that because Mr Randy talked about the people that have these experiences as they were idiots. But they aren't all kind of people had those experiences, but it seems that only the educated people as M Randy him self is believed in such. He has to open his mind and has to accept that there is a possibility as such like obe that is a real obe. Some interesting talk about can be heard by Carl gustav Jung.
All, none biased, studies have shown that it is your brain misinterpreting signals and tries to make sense of them, and boom you have a "OBE"...
And when you are biased you are not the one to point out flaws because the flaw is being biased; believing/faith IS NEVER EVIDENCE...
There is also the possibility of you being wrong, and so far, due to studies, seems the most likely, but that, you rule out because... That is called a bias! If you can't see that... Wow...
@is1337Correct pfff you are wrong. You want to see it as you want to se it. There is no evidence. It is an assumption. Maybe it is possible that our brains misinterpreting signals, but is not up to the scientist which signals are misinterpreting and which are not. Because you don't know.
And you talking about believe...I never said those words, they are your words. Believe is not evidence, ofcourse not. I didn''t believe I had an OBE but I know that my consciousness was not in my body.
They tested it by sending conflicting signals to the area of the brain that convert senses to useful data and when they did the people experienced some form of OBE... This was no assumption, this was TESTED!
You said sometimes faith is the only thing we have left, you put it up to hold equal value as evidence... It doesn't...
I talk about what the evidences points to, you are talking about what you have faith in, that means YOU are closed minded and biased... Not me...
@is1337Correct No you are close minded. People did experience some kind of OBE??? It is een OBE or it isn't. Based on and refer to?What kind of people did those experiment.
People that had an OBE allready or was this their first time???? Science has given us a lot.But in this matter it is not possible for any scientist to conclude and being for a 100% sure that OBE is a misinterpreting signal.And if there is 1% doubt then is there a possibility that 1% is 100% and that you and science are wrong
@is1337Correct you have not a 100 % answer for me, so don't use science that hasn't the 100% answer to , it is pure assumption based on some test. That's to easy. You are holding on to some tests that aren't 100% evidence. So you are ver close minded an biased if you don't see that. And following a not 100% answer makes you a believer. Think about that!!!! And now leave me alone. I don"t like people that are not open minded. Maybe you are right..but maybe you are not. Can you say the same?
It takes faith to hold a position which there is no evidence for and/or evidence against; and when there is evidence against your claim and not accepting them, that is being close-minded...
At the current moment ALL evidence from unbiased studies shows it is nothing more than a trick of your brain; pure imagination...
And it is a logical fallacy to claim one is a "believer" because they aren't absolute certain... I got evidence, you got an "experience" as in nothing but a bias...
@is1337Correct I agree mostly what you said; however, don't you ever account the possibility that maybe somewhere in the future there would be evidence of OBE?? Why not? If we're going to be scientific here, then we have to be open to evidence that challenge our status quo; otherwise, we're just close-minded bigots.....
I, of course, will change my stance on the subject once there is evidence for it, that you can be sure of, but so far all evidence points against it and none but "personal experiences" for it, and all of those "personal experiences" that was doing a test was proven to be nothing more than a brain trying to understand signals it didn't understand.
There is a possibility that I'm wrong ofcourse, there is. But is hypocrite of you that you don't consider the fact that you could be wrong too. If you don't understand what I want to say than don't bother me bo ther no more. I'm open for your opinion, but you are not open for my opinion. And if ou not open for an opinion, that is sad. Because you think that the greatest mysteries of life are some misinterpreting signals of the brain. If you believe that, that is ok. It is not my believe.
And that is the problem of modern scientist..... if you not accept there opinion, than it is a bias. I'm not the one ruling things out, you are the one that is doing that. The only thing that you want is to be wright. We have different opinions and that is ok.
@is1337Correct science doesn't tell us all...and nobody has to be ashamed that he believes in something, whatever is. It can be a good thing! You do the same because there is n0t 100% prove. You need to rely more on scientist like jung, that are open minded because there is a lot to learn and science in this matter is not that evolved that there is a answer. It is assumption based on some tests. But again, it is not possible to talk to peole like you because our opinions are totally different
@is1337Correct And the last thing I want to say to you saying to me that I am not open minded. I am the one that there is a possibility that you are wright. But you don't even consider the possibility that I am wright based on not 100% evidence and that makes you a real believer. Something that you dídn't like.
You have been presented evidences against your claim; you can easily look up evidence against your claim done by scientific methods, no pseudo-science... And you have the nerve to call me a believer?!?
Point out ONE scientific test that proves your claim, just ONE, that have been peer-reviewed and accepted... You wont...
You base your belief on nothing more than "personal experiences"; I do mine on what scientific tests have concluded so far... I'm not the one that is ignorant...
@is1337Correct And it was not my imagination. You just are a not believer. That's ok with me. But don't say to me or other people that it didn't happen. If it was an out of body experiences..I don't know. Was your conscious in an other place than it should be. 100% yes. The assumption that one may believe it, doesn't make it real is an assumption that is not complete. It is true that it has not to be real but it is also possible that it is!!!
It was a trick of your mind, if you read up studies about it it will tell you as much; you may genuinely think it was a OOBE but it wasn't and studies have been done and shown as much... It is not about believing or not (faith is worthless without evidence), the evidence point to a trick of the mind; pure imagination...
You are biased because it felt real and if you had studied it closely you would come to the conclusion as Randi did; pure imagination.
@is1337Correct no it wasn't. There are no studies as ypu refer to, that can prove that it was a trick of my and others peoples mind. No studie at all. And even a study, ofcourse did by someone who is not a believer in this matter, can't prove or give facts. Even Jung said....that there is a reasonable doubt. So saying that it is just imagination would be too easy. But íf you think it is, that's totally fine with me. I don't have to proof anything. Have a nice life.
His theory doesn't really account for all the people who have out of body experiences and then afterward can tell what people in other rooms, houses, etc. were doing, wearing and saying. Many people come back with very detailed information that they could not otherwise have known.
Just like millions of other people, I know they're real as I have validated them!
Randi is potentially explaining why his experience wasn't authentic, however its somewhat comparable to him trying to tell me what I dreamt last night.... He is a FOOL
@TheWorldIsRound2012 He's not necessarily saying your out of body experiences are invalid, he's saying his own was. I'm sure he'd be fascinated by your actually validated OOBEs. How did you validate them, by the way?
My OOBE happened when I was 13 and doing a performance in front of a school full of kids. Everyone saw the same thing I saw. And I have never once suspected that anything supernatural took place. Our mind works in mysterious ways. Assuming "well thats your soul leaving your body" etc is missing the point of reality. Just because we dont know, doesn't mean its out of this world.
@A0Candle0In0The0Dark In theory. I watched myself fall face-first down a flight of stairs. I saw details like how my hands covered my face and on which side of the stairs I fell down on. I wasn't IN my body. I was watching from 6 meters above and to my right.
I believe James is a very smart man who makes lost of since. on the contrary he dosnt prove here in this video he did not have an o.b.e. he says here that the green blanket is what he uses most of the time the hunting scene blanket only when the green needs a wash and that the cat lay in the bed also. most of the time the astral plane works on inpresion, meaning most the time if u have somthing in the same spot for 5 years and move it one night. it will be there in the plane. it holds an energy
I believe James is a very smart man who makes lost of since. on the contrary he dosnt prove here in this video he did not have an o.b.e. he says here that the green blanket is what he uses most of the time the hunting scene blanket only when the green needs a wash and that the cat lay in the bed also. most of the time the astral plane works on inpresion, meaning most the time if u have somthing in the same spot for 5 years and move it one night. it will be there in the plane. it old an energy
Leave it to James Randi to continue to deceive people by comparing his dream to verifiable OOBEs. He just keeps on being a disservice to science and our understanding of the universe we live in. In a real OOBE, people can accurately describe their environment, such as in the tests conducted starting at the 2:50 in this vid: watch?v=Jn1Ntu67SGs
to make a short story long and boring... This guy must be very rich or powerful to get so much laughter from such lame jokes. Is this presented as proof that there are no real out of body experiences duh. Someone needs a course in logic. A true investigator is an open minded skeptic. This jerk seems to have made up his mind and is presenting an illogical argument to support his prejudice.
@cunnidvd It seems to me he's just explaining how a personal experience could've changed his whole worldview if it weren't for the evidence that he was wrong. Extreme tiredness is known to bring on such dreams or hallucinations. It's not an illogical argument.
Neither side (science & religion/spirituality) can prove whether or not OBEs (or NDEs)are fact or fiction. All we can do is wait and see. Nevertheless, I love James Randi! Total BAMF.
I think most persons have had out of body experience as kids, it's just that very often people don't remember them as they didn't seem unnatural at the time. Just a few months ago I remembered that I in fact also have had one. When my mother had a few friends over one evening I didn't want to go to bed, but I did. I still had the feeling of not wanting to go to bed, so later that night I remember standing in the door way looking back at me in the bed. I decided to not go out and that was it.
I was reading in a U.K. paper they are going to do tests in hospitals, by putting items on shelves, high up by the seiling in wards with patients on the critical list.
I'm glad that i listened to the whole clip here. I have had 2 oobe's and niether were like what he spoke about. My first and 2nd time were different than Robert Monroe's to but there were alot of similarities at the same time. Its very easy to prove when you have this happen and i believe that most if not all of us can do it!
Mr Randi actually did have an OOBE, the chartruse bedspead was there and so was his cat. What happened was he bumped up the probability by projecting into an alternate reality where the probability stated that those factors would be present for him to see. I wish some of these skeptics would open a science book every now and then.
I've had falling dreams in the past that turned into flying dreams. I saw the landscape below. Then I recognized it a few months later looking very familiar as we flew over my town in a Continental Jet on the way to Florida.
there's a documentary(i think national geographic did it) on netflix about what happens after you die. there's a pretty convincing story about an out of body experience in the documentary which I would believe to be true provided the people involved in the story aren't lying about their experiences. they could be, of course, so I can't draw any conclusions, but it's interesting. watched it on netflix if anyone's interested
@thepickletrain you can't experience anything once you've gone unconscious. So all the "out of body experiencees" are probably just confused about the chronology of things during the whole procedure, or they're given the wrong dosage of a drug so that they don't go totally unconscious. I was clinically dead for a short period once, but I didn't have anything but a normal "pass out and wake up later experience", hehe. Unfortunately they are the norm, "out of body experiences" are very rare. : )
@winterstellar apparently someone experienced something while unconscious or they simply conspired with the surgeons after the surgery and lied. or they were extremely lucky in recalling what the surgeons specifically did during the surgery.
@thepickletrain Well, some people will always be lucky, guess things right or win the lottery or whatever. And as long as these "experiences" are so rare that they can be explained by chance/"luck", they're not very interesting.:)
@winterstellar i think randi said the exact same thing. i guess they're not interesting to you. i don't believe in these things, but I find the possibility of them interesting, nonetheless. i find things in the realm of reality much more interesting because they're most relevant to me, but i'm not so presumptuous as to completely dismiss all things supernatural simply because i find them improbable. i certainly won't believe anything until i find proof, though.
@thepickletrain Great! I didn't actually watch this video, but I was at a lecture/show with James Randi once..and I have a couple of his books. So much of what I know about this subject I probably/maybe have from James Randi.
it is all in the mind... my friend experiences OBE a lot, all was just the power of mind, you won't die of lucid dreaming... it was never associated with spirit/ soul (if someone tells you that, it was wrong, when the body dies, it is dead, same goes with the brain-mind)
@ninzskers hnnn,u must be a miserable little man.so u have no problem with not existing ever again when u die?well it is said in many study s that when u die u do in fact live on consciously,but u will live as u believed when u die.meaning sense u truly believe u will not exist,u wont.good luck with that positive kind of thinking bucko.
I am skeptical and am not religious, but admit there is a breach in Randi's logic here. Randi proved only that FOR HIM an alleged OBE appears to have been nothing more than a hallucination (thus inferring the same explanation for some - not necessarily all - ppl who experience alleged OBEs. It doesn't address the many alleged anecdotal cases w/ multiple witnesses claiming the alleged OBE experiencer saw/heard/felt things beyond the scope of their pre-OBE knowledge.
my girlfriend went OOB when my friend and I were in the same room, she could see us talking, hear us, but she was 5 feet in the air on the other side of the room. we ate some magic brownies, very nice.
I disagree. Many very intelligent British Neuroscientists believe the out of body experience is real for instance when a person can describe events outside their body when they are completely unconscious and after these can be verified by people. It's happened thousands of times. I have a good documentary for you to watch which challenges the illusion theory.
@DeeRugz4u Why da fuck wud he be using a condom. Maybe thats how your dad fucks you so he doesnt contract HIVagina from your cheesy pussy. Whoaaaaa dam thats od.
if your brain can produce sensory illusions you can't tell apart from everyday sensations, your concept of reality might be harmed. You could recover your concept of reality by relying on the assumption that reality is consituted by certain unalterable laws (e.g. consistency of objects over time, etc). Usually in dreams suchs laws are not prevalent. But what if your brain does even simulate those laws known from physical reality? On what basis could you dismiss such an illusion as a non-reality?
@Sofaklecks the only way to distinguish is science. Perform repeatable test and get results to prove if something is real or just a belief. If science can't be used on it, there is no difference between it being real or just a belief, like religions and stuff.
I don't know what to think of an OOBE honestly. I've had one once before when I was hopped up on Hydrocodone after having my wisdom teeth removed. It was a totally different reality, same physical laws and everything. I felt as I do now typing this. Complete feeling, [false] memories of my life of the world I was in, and complete control, totally different from a dream. I'm not sure if James felt as I did, but he didn't give many details on it.
@SySt3m You have to be sober to exepriance this or else your main center can't be flexible enough tolet go, it's like a mimic at the most unless you lived many lives on earth.
@BosnianReality Hating people is just as worse, besides he makes good money. Why would he care about knowlege of the public. He only is able to suport cults or it's game over for this guy.
it was an obe memory of a night when he did sleep with the cat in the bed.we leave our body every time we enter the dream state its just that we dont remember it .dreams are obes
it was an obe memory of a night when he did sleep with the cat in the bed.we leave our body every time we enter the dream state its just that we dont remember it .
"Core theory" being what? The theory that everything about people, life and the universe is determined by the positions of giant balls of burning gas?
You should always be skeptical if you wake up and are already out of body. That usually is a dream (though scientists can only 'theorize' about what dreams are). There is a sequence of events that you can consciously experience prior to and up to going of out body. Its so consistant, that it is almost procedural. Research should go into that. Regardless of its real or not anyway, its still an awesome way to come up with cool ideas, and its cheaper than a 3D movie.
If you remain conscious after getting an anesthetic (due to fear or any other reason) you get the OOBE. You can do that with sleeping pills or very heavy food as well. Read more about Robert Monroe.
when you dream your brain creates false sensory information so realistic it fools you into believing it is real your brain also holds information on your appearance, body image, limb positions and such there is no reason to believe a brain is incapable of seeing its own body from a distance in a dream state all the information is there along with an ability to create false information not saying all oobe are false but most probably are
@hod05 The most compelling ones are when the person see's or hears something they could not have possibly known in advance. It could be simply dismissed as a dream if these cases did not exist, but since they do it cannot.
@BrianPSTJ In a story about someone seeing or hearing something they couldn't have possibly seen or heard while they were unconscious or whatever, it's composed of an entire chain of information. And if one link is broken, the entire chain fails. First and foremost, when you have a story, you have the possibility that the storyteller could be lying. Once you verify that, you can move on to the next link, and then the next one. I doubt you have done that process with every case you've heard.
@ninjajesus81 I have seen cases where highly respectable Neurosurgeons and Cardioligists have been able to confirm these. Its true that some of the cases are probably like that, but not nearly all of them are. Just look up Pam Reynolds case, the Neurosurgeon confirmed everything and a Cardioligist researched and verified the facts. I can name several other cases if you want.
@ninjajesus81 Well, they arent not susceptible, but the neither of them had anything to gain from it, and the Neurosurgeon was the one operating on her. The Cardioligist had been trying to debunk NDE's for years, and this was one of the first ones he validated.
@BrianPSTJ It's not a matter of if they have something to gain from it, what matters is if they had a pre-existing belief in stuff like that.
For example, if she says she saw the doctor with a bonesaw cutting into her head, then they would interpret that as proof of the OBE. She couldn't have heard or seen that because she was unconscious. They would interpret that as proof, even though it's not.
My first conscious (and over-all most vivid) OOBE was at around twenty-months, still in diapers. There was darkness, then I breached the ceiling and continued-on down floating towards my infant's body splayed in the crib.Interestingly, once I had entered my room from above, I could see the entire room at once, 360 degree panoramic view. When I came to within 3 feet or so of the body, the base-ball-sized sphere that I felt myself to be suddenly elongated and (continued)
@midplanewanderer ..sprouted limbs. I remember thinking to myself not in english but in that mental short-hand of children "I gotta get this right." I carefully adjusted my spectral limbs to perfectly match the configuration of the body below. There was a cold metallic "Snap!" in the middle of my forehead and I awoke, and cried for attention. Confabulation? False memory? What neuro-architecture has been posited for the phenomena of panoramic view? I'm not the only one to have experienced this..
You had a lucid dream. Some say lucid dreams are OOBEs or OOBEs lead to lucid dreams- this dream you had, your dreamt of a familiar thing: your pet cat and the chartreuse bedspread that you are familiar with. You can create any environment you want in a lucid dream. I have had lucid dreams that also include an OOBE.
Funny thing is we sometimes dream when we have just woken up as the brain's "anti hallucination" system fails to kick in. Think that could have been the reason for many others OOBEs.
I dont think he gets that durring an OBE you are most likely to be viewing a personally altered reality. Many notice while OOB that lights that had been turned off are now on - your mind is creating this effect, perhaps so you may explore....who knows.
I always like to see the topic being discussed though, its great to listen to other people's stories.
@NoahRobertMiller Have one and you will understand. It isnt that hard, just parachute some Ketamine and you will be having them in no time. Or you could do it through the Munroe method if you dont want to use drugs. Just google it. Some people also report having them during orgasm, so you could try that too. If your going to do the Munroe Method its easier if your high because you have to get into a altered state of conciousness, weed puts in one really quickly.
Look up the work of Dr. Thomas campbell. It will all make sense. He's uploaded countless hours of free lectures on his page TWCJR44. Have an open mind, unlike Mr Randi.
joemoe23 3 weeks ago
He probably went into some sort of meditative or half asleep state, because of the static TV. White noise is part of something called binaural beats. It is used in all kinds of areas to create spiritual experiences.
GuitarSongCoverDude 1 month ago
@GuitarSongCoverDude He had a dream.
feuchster 1 month ago
@feuchster Yeah I am not saying he experienced anything supernatural, but if I had to guess, he didn't just have a dream, because the vividness and memory of details he described are rare in dreams. He also specifically remembered the static TV and white noise is often used to bring people into a meditative state to create spiritual experiences just like the one he mentioned. Spirituality does not contradict rationality btw., Sam Harris believes this to be true as well.
GuitarSongCoverDude 1 month ago
@GuitarSongCoverDude You would have to give evidence of this "spirit" thing for your whole comment to be taken seriously at all. Secondly, I have very very detailed dreams, just like millions of other people, on a not so rare basis.
feuchster 1 month ago
@feuchster
Look, you are confusing the supernatural term 'spirit' with the rational term 'spirituality', which I used loosely to describe his type of experience. Am I saying that he definatly had more of a spiritual experience rather than a simple dream? No, I am not. That was just my guess. But you are acting as if any kind of spirituality was a thing contradictory to all sound reason and probability, which it isn't.
GuitarSongCoverDude 1 month ago
Do you ever reply to a question? Annie:)
evpinvestigations 1 month ago
Dear James, I love you sense of humor and the way you tell a story. Now I have one for you I was undergoing a colonoscopy suddenly I am looking at myself from above. I hear the doctor and his team joking around.
evpinvestigations 1 month ago
Next I am back in the recovery room and I mention this to my doctor. I tell him what the jokes were about. Wow, he says that’s right. Now, did I have a dream or hallucination and if so why did I recall what they we doing and saying. Perhaps I was awake enough to hear what was going on and incorporate it into my dream, is this possible. Annie:)
evpinvestigations 1 month ago
Back in grade 7 or 8, I remember walking in to class with a freind in the morning and we walked to the back of the class to hang our jackets up. As I was hanging mine up, my freind asked me why I takeing my jacket up because it was time for recess! I was stunned....I didn`t remember anything from the last two hours! nothing! (My geuss is I missed a spelling lesson that morning hehe sigh) Other than that, nothing strange noted in this life.
mdo686 2 months ago
Just a vivid dream. I remember one vivid dream when I was kid involving goofy looking monster type things in my shed. They were just hanging out not really doing anything but the dream seemed so real, I thought I got up in the middle of the night, walked out back to the shed, saw the monsters, then went back inside and went back to bed. I remember it taking a while to sink in that it must have been just a dream....but even stranger than that......
mdo686 2 months ago
Randi is an escapologist, and an atheist too. furthermore, he is not just interesting in finding out what's going on: he has an agenda. It 's good to remember it.
Frakfayt 2 months ago
I have a had a few OOBEs and I can say that as amazing as they were, I didn't see anything conclusive to prove that I actually left my body. Still, they are very unusual and they seem to occur in a half awake state. They are different from dreams because dreams occur in a much deeper state of sleep. There also seems to be physical sensations associated with them. Strange, I think that more research should be done on them.
mlgarton 3 months ago 2
To educate skeptics is kinda like educating the guy who picks up my trash but here it goes! The brightest people on earth are all mathematicians! And by an overwelming majority they do not preach atheism! You skeptics get your rocks off by saying "I'm right and your wrong, its science." Your high on a political form of crack. But in reality you skeptics are nothing but cranks. High and mighty as you may feel I think your ego got ahead of you IQ.
bryanjones007 3 months ago
@bryanjones007 Why do you assume the smartest people are mathematicians? And why WOULD a mathematician preach atheism? It's not their job to be open with their personal beliefs. I think you'll find that the "brightest" people (Scientists, Mathematicians, Genius-types) are on average, less religious than the public. I've never heard someone flatly claim "I'm right and you're wrong," but rather "You're wrong, and here's why: ..."
AlderDragon 3 months ago 2
(cont). Many, many NDE researchers who have studied NDE's for 30 years, and they have not come to a solid position on the matter, and many are in fact slightly irked by the fact that everything they produce is essentially ignored if it doesn't fall into a general idea accepted in science. I get that we have a base for everything, but until legitimate research is done, the stigma toward NDE's (along with the assumptions) are very similar to denying the earth revolves around the sun.
TrumpetThief 3 months ago
The reason I say this is because there should be no default 'skeptic position'. There is no such thing. There are many, many things in this world, so to take a position that says they are all wrong, despite conflicting evidence, isn't the most rational way to go about it. It feels as though Randi has a legitimate bias against this type of stuff, which I understand, but it feels as though he is grasping straws here. I wish he kept a more neutral point of view, mainly because there are
TrumpetThief 3 months ago
I respect James Randi, and agree with him on basically everything. However, (and I hope I don't get too much flak for this), I feel as though this 'experience' of his was not exactly genuine, and on top of that, does not reflect the majority of 'true' OBE's. His description sounded like it was copy/pasted off an internet source. I understand that skepticism is good, but when we have a position that is literally skeptical of everything, it becomes less headstrong and more like a cult.
TrumpetThief 3 months ago
Haha, he has had a dream similar to an obe. And because he had a dream he assumes all people who ever had an obe must have had a dream like he also.
Oh my God, what a primitive argumentation!
soller2011 3 months ago
This asshole has an explanation for everything. We're all idiots, and he has every single fucking answer to it all.
jbearden 3 months ago
@jbearden He is a logical person. And with real logic, you can answer most things in this life. Not much more to say about the subject.
Zeratchi 3 months ago
@Zeratchi I know he makes you feel logical. I know you believe him to be the ultimate form of logic. I am aware of this.
jbearden 3 months ago
@jbearden One does not make others feel logical dude. But if you listen to all of James videos, you can hear that everything he talks about, have been through a lot of thinking, in a logical way.
He can explain everything in detail, but I'm sure you believe in Homeopathy in such nonsense instead of this brilliance.
Zeratchi 3 months ago
@Zeratchi I did not STATE that logic is "feeling". I said he makes YOU... YOU, the type of people who hear this stuff, and think it's PLATO! You are just as dumb about logic as those horrible fucking 'ghost hunter" baboons! NEITHER of those two camps know logic. OBVIOUSLY.
jbearden 3 months ago
Completely irrelevant. Either people get accurate information when they are having an OBE or they don't. It's been shown many many times that they do. Ignore Randi, he is not an honest sceptic and has an agenda.
bunflinger 3 months ago
Anyone who who thinks there is no Soul, that does not survive the death of the body, science has discovered the location of the consciousness on a quantum level, in Micro-tubules. Plus there are the hundreds of thousands of clinical case studies of reincarnation. James Randi is a fool for the sake of foolishness.
Mortaryan 3 months ago
@Mortaryan Anyone who is considered to be a logical and reasonable person, will not believe in either Religion or any other form of absence forces. So while calling James Randi a fool, who can and will explain most things in a logical way, you are pointing out the foolishness of your own comment.
Zeratchi 3 months ago
I think there is something to the Out of Body Experience. National Geographic made a film called Moment of Death and towards the end there was this case of a person having open heart bypass surgery, and the guy was able to describe in detail the surgeons habits of stretching and other things. They even interviewed the surgeon and he stood by what the patient said he saw while completely knocked out.
BigBobsh2o 4 months ago
lol so many fooled people here. He proved his experience was not an OBE. There is a whole science to it and books written on the subject, experiments performed and so on. He makes a conclusion on just his experience and of course he is biased cause his job is to debunk everything...
Liofle 4 months ago
@Liofle There is science which aims for us to understand & explain it and there is science to explain how to induce these experiences, yes. OBEs do exist, we all know that. What has yet to be proven is the belief that an Out of Body Experience is a spiritual phenomena as opposed to some form of mental hallucination. That's what Randi's debunking. And in terms of his bias, it's towards skepticism, not cynicism. That means he will always examine the facts before he believes in anything.
scarletgriffon 4 months ago
He is obvious a liar that will say anything (because he has no moral code or conscience) to self justify his blind faith in nothing. He is a nihilist, hates life, and wants everyone else to, also, just like hitchens and dawkings, he is just another fundamentalist high priest of suicidal narcisism. Materialistic and or secular fundamentalism is just as bad and just as much blind faith as religious fundamentalism.
Mortaryan 4 months ago
@Mortaryan And they say Atheists are angry! LOL
hyperstone6 4 months ago in playlist James Randi @ Caltech 1992
@hyperstone6 No anger what so ever, just the facts, but it's obvious why YOU take it as anger.
Mortaryan 3 months ago
@Mortaryan
Wow. You certainly seem to take things on blind faith, like your unproven claims that these people are narcissistic, moral-less, nihilists. What are you, a fucking shrink?
ciaobellakate 4 months ago
@ciaobellakate Not blind faith, just pure empiricism. And no I am not a "fucking" shrink, but I did study abnormal psychology, and you obviously need a therapist.
Mortaryan 3 months ago
@Mortaryan
Once again, making claims you have no validity or means to back up. Hilarious.
ciaobellakate 3 months ago
this guy looks a bit like Sigmund Freud :O
xcutioners 4 months ago
all you skeptics are wrong
DyingWithDignity666 4 months ago
@DyingWithDignity666 All you believers are wrong
scarletgriffon 4 months ago
@scarletgriffon all you believers of nothing are wrong
DyingWithDignity666 4 months ago
@DyingWithDignity666 And all you believers are wrong :) This could go on a long while! Also I'd just like to define: I'm an Atheist, which means I have no belief in any gods or spirits, rather than I believe in nothing. I do have many beliefs, just none of them are supernaturally based, beyond 'I believe that the supernatural does not exist'.
scarletgriffon 4 months ago
I don't believe out of body experiences are real but its strange to me the one time this happens to him he happens to have only three details and two of which he just happen to have explanations for.
WhatTheTech 5 months ago
@WhatTheTech Dude, he is summarizing his experience. He cannot go into the minutiae or else he'd have bored the audience to tears.
TemplarX2 4 months ago
Remember, you can only see what your knowledge allows you to see. We often find exactly the result we are looking for. Just because you haven't experienced something doesn't mean that it's not possible for somebody else. Being skeptical and using the scientific method is great, but don't presume to have all of the answers. You don't.
AmberNite23 5 months ago
@AmberNite23 if it is possible for someone else its possible for me. if you make a claim that i do not find possible please provide evidence and knowledge on how to make your claim possible. if you can't do that you're full of shit. its a very easy concept.
goaliedude32 4 months ago
I submit that cats can walk through walls.
The throw, however, I cannot explain through Heinleinian metaphors.
Piccylo 5 months ago
James Randi would want us to live in a sane world with no Bigfoot,Chupacabra,Space Aliens who built our pyramids and zapped our cattle in the fields to learn about life on earth,Poltergiests, UFO's etc.how boring to just want "the facts"
flyinv1967 5 months ago
@flyinv1967 what? all of those things would be great if they were real but they aren't.
goaliedude32 4 months ago
Hasnt there been cases of OBE's on the operating table where patients pointed out to nurses that there was a penny on top of a dusty cupboard or a trainer on a window ledge. Ive heard those kind of stories before. How they are explained or whether they were even true I dont know. But the sensible way to approach it is to go with the empirical evidence, but at the same time dont close the mind to possibility. We've had Electricity just over 100 years. Science is still an infant.
outofslumber 5 months ago
@outofslumber I don't believe in this. There's always a rational explanation. THe most important thing about science is correct observation and precisely recording the observation. This rarely happens in those cases you mentioned. The observers are usually biased in some ways.
TemplarX2 4 months ago
michael shermer can explain out of body experiences that seems to make a lot of sense. So does James Randi here that just because you have an experience doesn't mean the experience is at it seems. just search youtube for michael shermer out of body experience since it won't let me post the url here.
dreamerwebdev 6 months ago
I had the same experience when I was about 5 or 6 year old. It seems to me at that time it was a very vivid dream. So much that I'm 53 now and still remember it very clearly, no that was the most anusual dream I ever had, so wy it is so important in this dream to be remembered for so many years?
elenyvon 6 months ago
@elenyvon what was the dream
goaliedude32 4 months ago
you had no experience,,,which means you have nothing to contribute,,,get over it
anthonywhitefull 6 months ago
I had one of these as a teen.. When I delved into this to learn what had happen....there was a book I read called Journeys Out of The Body...its pretty way out !!! Never have been able to reproduce it..
VinylCouture 6 months ago
Randy loves to to crush people's dreams and hopes and treat everyone as if they're stupid.
meandi10000 6 months ago
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downyourtube 7 months ago
it is good to be sceptical and telling a funny storyby scientist. There is no prove in this matter. I had two obe's and I was scared as hell and looking around in peace. The search I have done, for years convinced me that we are more than our physical body. No matter what people say. I know that there are people that lie about this, but the people I met were very educated and friendly people with degrees in lots of things. Why should everybody lie about this? They don't
pulaat 7 months ago
@pulaat
You are going by the assumption that because you talked to very educated people that they could not be wrong, which is a logical fallacy; no one, not even the smartest of the smartest, is right about everything, and this is such a case. They were, as you were, fooled by their imagination.
It is also a logical fallacy to assume that because they don't lie that it really happened as they think it happened. One may genuinely believe it, but that doesn't make it real.
is1337Correct 6 months ago
@is1337 No no your assumption is totally wrong. By the way. sorry for my english, but I said that because Mr Randy talked about the people that have these experiences as they were idiots. But they aren't all kind of people had those experiences, but it seems that only the educated people as M Randy him self is believed in such. He has to open his mind and has to accept that there is a possibility as such like obe that is a real obe. Some interesting talk about can be heard by Carl gustav Jung.
pulaat 6 months ago
@pulaat
All, none biased, studies have shown that it is your brain misinterpreting signals and tries to make sense of them, and boom you have a "OBE"...
And when you are biased you are not the one to point out flaws because the flaw is being biased; believing/faith IS NEVER EVIDENCE...
There is also the possibility of you being wrong, and so far, due to studies, seems the most likely, but that, you rule out because... That is called a bias! If you can't see that... Wow...
is1337Correct 6 months ago
@is1337Correct pfff you are wrong. You want to see it as you want to se it. There is no evidence. It is an assumption. Maybe it is possible that our brains misinterpreting signals, but is not up to the scientist which signals are misinterpreting and which are not. Because you don't know.
And you talking about believe...I never said those words, they are your words. Believe is not evidence, ofcourse not. I didn''t believe I had an OBE but I know that my consciousness was not in my body.
pulaat 6 months ago
@pulaat
They tested it by sending conflicting signals to the area of the brain that convert senses to useful data and when they did the people experienced some form of OBE... This was no assumption, this was TESTED!
You said sometimes faith is the only thing we have left, you put it up to hold equal value as evidence... It doesn't...
I talk about what the evidences points to, you are talking about what you have faith in, that means YOU are closed minded and biased... Not me...
is1337Correct 6 months ago
@is1337Correct No you are close minded. People did experience some kind of OBE??? It is een OBE or it isn't. Based on and refer to?What kind of people did those experiment.
People that had an OBE allready or was this their first time???? Science has given us a lot.But in this matter it is not possible for any scientist to conclude and being for a 100% sure that OBE is a misinterpreting signal.And if there is 1% doubt then is there a possibility that 1% is 100% and that you and science are wrong
pulaat 6 months ago
@is1337Correct you have not a 100 % answer for me, so don't use science that hasn't the 100% answer to , it is pure assumption based on some test. That's to easy. You are holding on to some tests that aren't 100% evidence. So you are ver close minded an biased if you don't see that. And following a not 100% answer makes you a believer. Think about that!!!! And now leave me alone. I don"t like people that are not open minded. Maybe you are right..but maybe you are not. Can you say the same?
pulaat 6 months ago
@pulaat
It takes faith to hold a position which there is no evidence for and/or evidence against; and when there is evidence against your claim and not accepting them, that is being close-minded...
At the current moment ALL evidence from unbiased studies shows it is nothing more than a trick of your brain; pure imagination...
And it is a logical fallacy to claim one is a "believer" because they aren't absolute certain... I got evidence, you got an "experience" as in nothing but a bias...
is1337Correct 6 months ago
@is1337Correct I agree mostly what you said; however, don't you ever account the possibility that maybe somewhere in the future there would be evidence of OBE?? Why not? If we're going to be scientific here, then we have to be open to evidence that challenge our status quo; otherwise, we're just close-minded bigots.....
IceAges14Aces 6 months ago
@IceAges14Aces
I, of course, will change my stance on the subject once there is evidence for it, that you can be sure of, but so far all evidence points against it and none but "personal experiences" for it, and all of those "personal experiences" that was doing a test was proven to be nothing more than a brain trying to understand signals it didn't understand.
is1337Correct 5 months ago
There is a possibility that I'm wrong ofcourse, there is. But is hypocrite of you that you don't consider the fact that you could be wrong too. If you don't understand what I want to say than don't bother me bo ther no more. I'm open for your opinion, but you are not open for my opinion. And if ou not open for an opinion, that is sad. Because you think that the greatest mysteries of life are some misinterpreting signals of the brain. If you believe that, that is ok. It is not my believe.
pulaat 6 months ago
And that is the problem of modern scientist..... if you not accept there opinion, than it is a bias. I'm not the one ruling things out, you are the one that is doing that. The only thing that you want is to be wright. We have different opinions and that is ok.
pulaat 6 months ago
@is1337Correct science doesn't tell us all...and nobody has to be ashamed that he believes in something, whatever is. It can be a good thing! You do the same because there is n0t 100% prove. You need to rely more on scientist like jung, that are open minded because there is a lot to learn and science in this matter is not that evolved that there is a answer. It is assumption based on some tests. But again, it is not possible to talk to peole like you because our opinions are totally different
pulaat 6 months ago
@is1337Correct And the last thing I want to say to you saying to me that I am not open minded. I am the one that there is a possibility that you are wright. But you don't even consider the possibility that I am wright based on not 100% evidence and that makes you a real believer. Something that you dídn't like.
pulaat 6 months ago
@pulaat
You have been presented evidences against your claim; you can easily look up evidence against your claim done by scientific methods, no pseudo-science... And you have the nerve to call me a believer?!?
Point out ONE scientific test that proves your claim, just ONE, that have been peer-reviewed and accepted... You wont...
You base your belief on nothing more than "personal experiences"; I do mine on what scientific tests have concluded so far... I'm not the one that is ignorant...
is1337Correct 5 months ago
@is1337Correct And it was not my imagination. You just are a not believer. That's ok with me. But don't say to me or other people that it didn't happen. If it was an out of body experiences..I don't know. Was your conscious in an other place than it should be. 100% yes. The assumption that one may believe it, doesn't make it real is an assumption that is not complete. It is true that it has not to be real but it is also possible that it is!!!
pulaat 6 months ago
@pulaat
It was a trick of your mind, if you read up studies about it it will tell you as much; you may genuinely think it was a OOBE but it wasn't and studies have been done and shown as much... It is not about believing or not (faith is worthless without evidence), the evidence point to a trick of the mind; pure imagination...
You are biased because it felt real and if you had studied it closely you would come to the conclusion as Randi did; pure imagination.
is1337Correct 6 months ago
@is1337Correct no it wasn't. There are no studies as ypu refer to, that can prove that it was a trick of my and others peoples mind. No studie at all. And even a study, ofcourse did by someone who is not a believer in this matter, can't prove or give facts. Even Jung said....that there is a reasonable doubt. So saying that it is just imagination would be too easy. But íf you think it is, that's totally fine with me. I don't have to proof anything. Have a nice life.
pulaat 6 months ago
@is1337Correct by the way....FAITH IS SOMETIMES THE ONLY THING THAT HAS LEFT.....EVEN IF THERE IS NO EVIDENCE.
pulaat 6 months ago
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@is1337Correct you don't have evidence you stupid ass
pulaat 6 months ago
When you die, you will think your soul is another dream. I have been out of body many times and it is reality. The human mind is the illusion.
johnlaird55 7 months ago
this man is forever trying to explain away the fantasy world
flyinv1967 7 months ago
His theory doesn't really account for all the people who have out of body experiences and then afterward can tell what people in other rooms, houses, etc. were doing, wearing and saying. Many people come back with very detailed information that they could not otherwise have known.
ProcessedArt 8 months ago
I've had heaps of out of body experiences!
Just like millions of other people, I know they're real as I have validated them!
Randi is potentially explaining why his experience wasn't authentic, however its somewhat comparable to him trying to tell me what I dreamt last night.... He is a FOOL
TheWorldIsRound2012 8 months ago
@TheWorldIsRound2012 He's not necessarily saying your out of body experiences are invalid, he's saying his own was. I'm sure he'd be fascinated by your actually validated OOBEs. How did you validate them, by the way?
ashdavcz 8 months ago
My OOBE happened when I was 13 and doing a performance in front of a school full of kids. Everyone saw the same thing I saw. And I have never once suspected that anything supernatural took place. Our mind works in mysterious ways. Assuming "well thats your soul leaving your body" etc is missing the point of reality. Just because we dont know, doesn't mean its out of this world.
SezSays 9 months ago
@SezSays Wait you saw something while you were having an obe that was seen by everyone else also?
A0Candle0In0The0Dark 9 months ago
@A0Candle0In0The0Dark In theory. I watched myself fall face-first down a flight of stairs. I saw details like how my hands covered my face and on which side of the stairs I fell down on. I wasn't IN my body. I was watching from 6 meters above and to my right.
SezSays 9 months ago
I believe James is a very smart man who makes lost of since. on the contrary he dosnt prove here in this video he did not have an o.b.e. he says here that the green blanket is what he uses most of the time the hunting scene blanket only when the green needs a wash and that the cat lay in the bed also. most of the time the astral plane works on inpresion, meaning most the time if u have somthing in the same spot for 5 years and move it one night. it will be there in the plane. it holds an energy
bubbie780 9 months ago
I believe James is a very smart man who makes lost of since. on the contrary he dosnt prove here in this video he did not have an o.b.e. he says here that the green blanket is what he uses most of the time the hunting scene blanket only when the green needs a wash and that the cat lay in the bed also. most of the time the astral plane works on inpresion, meaning most the time if u have somthing in the same spot for 5 years and move it one night. it will be there in the plane. it old an energy
bubbie780 9 months ago
Leave it to James Randi to continue to deceive people by comparing his dream to verifiable OOBEs. He just keeps on being a disservice to science and our understanding of the universe we live in. In a real OOBE, people can accurately describe their environment, such as in the tests conducted starting at the 2:50 in this vid: watch?v=Jn1Ntu67SGs
Elhardt 9 months ago
I had one and i was amazed changed my life for ever. truth rules
garryhunter180 10 months ago
to make a short story long and boring... This guy must be very rich or powerful to get so much laughter from such lame jokes. Is this presented as proof that there are no real out of body experiences duh. Someone needs a course in logic. A true investigator is an open minded skeptic. This jerk seems to have made up his mind and is presenting an illogical argument to support his prejudice.
cunnidvd 10 months ago
@cunnidvd It seems to me he's just explaining how a personal experience could've changed his whole worldview if it weren't for the evidence that he was wrong. Extreme tiredness is known to bring on such dreams or hallucinations. It's not an illogical argument.
Steve7508 9 months ago 11
@Steve7508 our brains can produce incredibly powerful hallucinogens
WhatTheTech 5 months ago
@cunnidvd yeah but I think he was just showing his one wasn't real
A0Candle0In0The0Dark 9 months ago
I'd fucking love to live with this genius!
MrTimothyWatts 10 months ago
Neither side (science & religion/spirituality) can prove whether or not OBEs (or NDEs)are fact or fiction. All we can do is wait and see. Nevertheless, I love James Randi! Total BAMF.
jcac1023 11 months ago
I think most persons have had out of body experience as kids, it's just that very often people don't remember them as they didn't seem unnatural at the time. Just a few months ago I remembered that I in fact also have had one. When my mother had a few friends over one evening I didn't want to go to bed, but I did. I still had the feeling of not wanting to go to bed, so later that night I remember standing in the door way looking back at me in the bed. I decided to not go out and that was it.
Korvmannen 11 months ago
Very good story!
I was reading in a U.K. paper they are going to do tests in hospitals, by putting items on shelves, high up by the seiling in wards with patients on the critical list.
So my mind is still Open.
TERRIERPACK 11 months ago
I'm glad that i listened to the whole clip here. I have had 2 oobe's and niether were like what he spoke about. My first and 2nd time were different than Robert Monroe's to but there were alot of similarities at the same time. Its very easy to prove when you have this happen and i believe that most if not all of us can do it!
DeeRugz4u 1 year ago
epicacity!
harrowbits 1 year ago
Mr Randi actually did have an OOBE, the chartruse bedspead was there and so was his cat. What happened was he bumped up the probability by projecting into an alternate reality where the probability stated that those factors would be present for him to see. I wish some of these skeptics would open a science book every now and then.
pedimatt60 1 year ago
@pedimatt60 Please name a science book written by a reputable scientist that provides evidence for your idea of 'alternate reality'.
gupsphoo 1 year ago
@gupsphoo The fabric of reality; the science of parellel universes by Oxford physicist David Deutsch
pedimatt60 1 year ago
I've had falling dreams in the past that turned into flying dreams. I saw the landscape below. Then I recognized it a few months later looking very familiar as we flew over my town in a Continental Jet on the way to Florida.
norb1937 1 year ago
I had one 2 miles from you so it happens. QED
bernhardfranz 1 year ago
who cares!!?? worlds most boring video
EnglandsBangersNmash 1 year ago
there's a documentary(i think national geographic did it) on netflix about what happens after you die. there's a pretty convincing story about an out of body experience in the documentary which I would believe to be true provided the people involved in the story aren't lying about their experiences. they could be, of course, so I can't draw any conclusions, but it's interesting. watched it on netflix if anyone's interested
thepickletrain 1 year ago
@thepickletrain you can't experience anything once you've gone unconscious. So all the "out of body experiencees" are probably just confused about the chronology of things during the whole procedure, or they're given the wrong dosage of a drug so that they don't go totally unconscious. I was clinically dead for a short period once, but I didn't have anything but a normal "pass out and wake up later experience", hehe. Unfortunately they are the norm, "out of body experiences" are very rare. : )
winterstellar 1 year ago
@winterstellar apparently someone experienced something while unconscious or they simply conspired with the surgeons after the surgery and lied. or they were extremely lucky in recalling what the surgeons specifically did during the surgery.
thepickletrain 1 year ago
@thepickletrain Well, some people will always be lucky, guess things right or win the lottery or whatever. And as long as these "experiences" are so rare that they can be explained by chance/"luck", they're not very interesting.:)
winterstellar 1 year ago
@winterstellar i think randi said the exact same thing. i guess they're not interesting to you. i don't believe in these things, but I find the possibility of them interesting, nonetheless. i find things in the realm of reality much more interesting because they're most relevant to me, but i'm not so presumptuous as to completely dismiss all things supernatural simply because i find them improbable. i certainly won't believe anything until i find proof, though.
thepickletrain 1 year ago
@thepickletrain Great! I didn't actually watch this video, but I was at a lecture/show with James Randi once..and I have a couple of his books. So much of what I know about this subject I probably/maybe have from James Randi.
winterstellar 1 year ago
Effectively a Randi lecture on Occams Razor.
faithisfiction 1 year ago
could he have been lucid dreaming?
ELREndLondonRule 1 year ago
ketamine can produce very powerful OOBE's........ aparently
londontrada 1 year ago
@londontrada Thats what i thought, but I ender up having a full on NDE, my whole agnostic belief system was shattered and I went to panentheism.
BrianPSTJ 7 months ago
@BrianPSTJ that all sounds pretty heavy dude
londontrada 7 months ago
it is all in the mind... my friend experiences OBE a lot, all was just the power of mind, you won't die of lucid dreaming... it was never associated with spirit/ soul (if someone tells you that, it was wrong, when the body dies, it is dead, same goes with the brain-mind)
ninzskers 1 year ago
@ninzskers hnnn,u must be a miserable little man.so u have no problem with not existing ever again when u die?well it is said in many study s that when u die u do in fact live on consciously,but u will live as u believed when u die.meaning sense u truly believe u will not exist,u wont.good luck with that positive kind of thinking bucko.
wisdomlifeknowledge 1 year ago
I am skeptical and am not religious, but admit there is a breach in Randi's logic here. Randi proved only that FOR HIM an alleged OBE appears to have been nothing more than a hallucination (thus inferring the same explanation for some - not necessarily all - ppl who experience alleged OBEs. It doesn't address the many alleged anecdotal cases w/ multiple witnesses claiming the alleged OBE experiencer saw/heard/felt things beyond the scope of their pre-OBE knowledge.
CheezInspector 1 year ago
my girlfriend went OOB when my friend and I were in the same room, she could see us talking, hear us, but she was 5 feet in the air on the other side of the room. we ate some magic brownies, very nice.
IAMME857 1 year ago
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RS1963 1 year ago
OBE can be real for you if you think it's real...of course it's not real...our brains can do much to fool us...
Rusvi1 1 year ago 4
I disagree. Many very intelligent British Neuroscientists believe the out of body experience is real for instance when a person can describe events outside their body when they are completely unconscious and after these can be verified by people. It's happened thousands of times. I have a good documentary for you to watch which challenges the illusion theory.
dmustard11 1 year ago
@Rusvi1 if our brains can do remarkable things, who is to say that our body's can not?
kyolym 1 year ago
@kyolym reality?
Rusvi1 1 year ago
Look up Sylvan Muldoon and Heward Carrington's experiements.
TAMYCRON 1 year ago
I have an outer body experience everytime i take a shit .
CrazyOldBoy 1 year ago 2
@CrazyOldBoy Na you are just pooping out your father's condom....that doesnt coun t
DeeRugz4u 1 year ago
@DeeRugz4u Why da fuck wud he be using a condom. Maybe thats how your dad fucks you so he doesnt contract HIVagina from your cheesy pussy. Whoaaaaa dam thats od.
CrazyOldBoy 10 months ago
if your brain can produce sensory illusions you can't tell apart from everyday sensations, your concept of reality might be harmed. You could recover your concept of reality by relying on the assumption that reality is consituted by certain unalterable laws (e.g. consistency of objects over time, etc). Usually in dreams suchs laws are not prevalent. But what if your brain does even simulate those laws known from physical reality? On what basis could you dismiss such an illusion as a non-reality?
Sofaklecks 1 year ago
@Sofaklecks Carl Sagan proved that the brain act EXACTLY the same when someone believes something is real, and when something actually IS real.
9innail 1 year ago
@9innail Can one distinguish between things that ARE real and things that are only BELIEVED to be real?
If yes: how?
if no: Carl Sagan's statement is a mere tautology. :-)
(identity follows from indistinguishability)
Sofaklecks 1 year ago
@Sofaklecks the only way to distinguish is science. Perform repeatable test and get results to prove if something is real or just a belief. If science can't be used on it, there is no difference between it being real or just a belief, like religions and stuff.
9innail 1 year ago
I don't know what to think of an OOBE honestly. I've had one once before when I was hopped up on Hydrocodone after having my wisdom teeth removed. It was a totally different reality, same physical laws and everything. I felt as I do now typing this. Complete feeling, [false] memories of my life of the world I was in, and complete control, totally different from a dream. I'm not sure if James felt as I did, but he didn't give many details on it.
SySt3m 1 year ago
@SySt3m You have to be sober to exepriance this or else your main center can't be flexible enough tolet go, it's like a mimic at the most unless you lived many lives on earth.
abbazin102 1 year ago
Randi has no clue whatsoever about Out of Body Experience. He is good talker, homosexual and skeptic. But certainly not an expert.
Out of Body Experiences happen to many people all over the world. It is a natural state of the being. To claim that it is a dream is a crime.
BosnianReality 1 year ago
@BosnianReality Some fighter pilots and astronauts have it when spinning about in a centrifuge.
People have it during heart attacks and strokes when their brains are deprived of oxygen.
It is common but it isn't supernatural and calling it a dream most certainly is not a crime.
virago1776 1 year ago
@BosnianReality Hating people is just as worse, besides he makes good money. Why would he care about knowlege of the public. He only is able to suport cults or it's game over for this guy.
abbazin102 1 year ago
it was an obe memory of a night when he did sleep with the cat in the bed.we leave our body every time we enter the dream state its just that we dont remember it .dreams are obes
lion3377 1 year ago
@lion3377 wtf? O.B.E...........most people get these from universities after years of study
Pitfytr 1 year ago
@Pitfytr i hope youre joking if not listen to james again
firecrackerg60 1 year ago
it was an obe memory of a night when he did sleep with the cat in the bed.we leave our body every time we enter the dream state its just that we dont remember it .
lion3377 1 year ago
The basis of astrology is a self consistent mathematical model/ The interpretive side is what has been continually discredited, not the core theory.
FeelOfFriction 1 year ago
@FeelOfFriction
"Core theory" being what? The theory that everything about people, life and the universe is determined by the positions of giant balls of burning gas?
redrosary 1 year ago
@FeelOfFriction its a croc.
Pitfytr 1 year ago
You should always be skeptical if you wake up and are already out of body. That usually is a dream (though scientists can only 'theorize' about what dreams are). There is a sequence of events that you can consciously experience prior to and up to going of out body. Its so consistant, that it is almost procedural. Research should go into that. Regardless of its real or not anyway, its still an awesome way to come up with cool ideas, and its cheaper than a 3D movie.
thekaji 1 year ago
If you remain conscious after getting an anesthetic (due to fear or any other reason) you get the OOBE. You can do that with sleeping pills or very heavy food as well. Read more about Robert Monroe.
karmicide 1 year ago
I love James Randi.
smooch0408 1 year ago
cardiologists have heard so many stories from nde's they are taking it very seriously by launching investigations like AWARE .
i agree with mr randi on lots of issues, however i believe the brain and mind are two seperate things
kingiescastel 1 year ago
when you dream your brain creates false sensory information so realistic it fools you into believing it is real your brain also holds information on your appearance, body image, limb positions and such there is no reason to believe a brain is incapable of seeing its own body from a distance in a dream state all the information is there along with an ability to create false information not saying all oobe are false but most probably are
hod05 1 year ago 2
@hod05 The most compelling ones are when the person see's or hears something they could not have possibly known in advance. It could be simply dismissed as a dream if these cases did not exist, but since they do it cannot.
BrianPSTJ 7 months ago
@BrianPSTJ In a story about someone seeing or hearing something they couldn't have possibly seen or heard while they were unconscious or whatever, it's composed of an entire chain of information. And if one link is broken, the entire chain fails. First and foremost, when you have a story, you have the possibility that the storyteller could be lying. Once you verify that, you can move on to the next link, and then the next one. I doubt you have done that process with every case you've heard.
ninjajesus81 7 months ago
@ninjajesus81 I have seen cases where highly respectable Neurosurgeons and Cardioligists have been able to confirm these. Its true that some of the cases are probably like that, but not nearly all of them are. Just look up Pam Reynolds case, the Neurosurgeon confirmed everything and a Cardioligist researched and verified the facts. I can name several other cases if you want.
BrianPSTJ 7 months ago
@BrianPSTJ And what makes a cardiologist and a neurosurgeon not susceptible to confirmation bias?
ninjajesus81 7 months ago
@ninjajesus81 Well, they arent not susceptible, but the neither of them had anything to gain from it, and the Neurosurgeon was the one operating on her. The Cardioligist had been trying to debunk NDE's for years, and this was one of the first ones he validated.
BrianPSTJ 7 months ago
@BrianPSTJ It's not a matter of if they have something to gain from it, what matters is if they had a pre-existing belief in stuff like that.
For example, if she says she saw the doctor with a bonesaw cutting into her head, then they would interpret that as proof of the OBE. She couldn't have heard or seen that because she was unconscious. They would interpret that as proof, even though it's not.
ninjajesus81 7 months ago
My first conscious (and over-all most vivid) OOBE was at around twenty-months, still in diapers. There was darkness, then I breached the ceiling and continued-on down floating towards my infant's body splayed in the crib.Interestingly, once I had entered my room from above, I could see the entire room at once, 360 degree panoramic view. When I came to within 3 feet or so of the body, the base-ball-sized sphere that I felt myself to be suddenly elongated and (continued)
midplanewanderer 1 year ago
@midplanewanderer ..sprouted limbs. I remember thinking to myself not in english but in that mental short-hand of children "I gotta get this right." I carefully adjusted my spectral limbs to perfectly match the configuration of the body below. There was a cold metallic "Snap!" in the middle of my forehead and I awoke, and cried for attention. Confabulation? False memory? What neuro-architecture has been posited for the phenomena of panoramic view? I'm not the only one to have experienced this..
midplanewanderer 1 year ago
You had a lucid dream. Some say lucid dreams are OOBEs or OOBEs lead to lucid dreams- this dream you had, your dreamt of a familiar thing: your pet cat and the chartreuse bedspread that you are familiar with. You can create any environment you want in a lucid dream. I have had lucid dreams that also include an OOBE.
19ufo47 1 year ago
#LOL OOBE
AbdulRButt 1 year ago
I had an out of body experience once, but it was from salvia. It was an interesting yet strange experience.
boonw 1 year ago
Senin ben aq.
kankienes 1 year ago 2
I had an out of body experience but I must admit it was the result of illegal substances lol
darklordrandy 1 year ago 19
@darklordrandy BAM!! the only sane way to do it ;-)
PDodds77 9 months ago
And even if the cat was in his bed and the spread was what he had described, it could have very well been a simple lucid dream.
MasterAdam100 1 year ago
Cool dream.
ThisSentenceIsFalse 1 year ago
Funny thing is we sometimes dream when we have just woken up as the brain's "anti hallucination" system fails to kick in. Think that could have been the reason for many others OOBEs.
Ty4ons 1 year ago
I dont think he gets that durring an OBE you are most likely to be viewing a personally altered reality. Many notice while OOB that lights that had been turned off are now on - your mind is creating this effect, perhaps so you may explore....who knows.
I always like to see the topic being discussed though, its great to listen to other people's stories.
Mysticmorris 1 year ago
@Mysticmorris what? I'm not sure what that means, are you saying that some part of you leaves your body, goes to another universe and return?
I would ask some simple questions here.
1.) How do you know that?
2.) How is that different than a dream, if you're in a world that isn't this one, and only viewed through the mind?
NoahRobertMiller 1 year ago
@NoahRobertMiller Have one and you will understand. It isnt that hard, just parachute some Ketamine and you will be having them in no time. Or you could do it through the Munroe method if you dont want to use drugs. Just google it. Some people also report having them during orgasm, so you could try that too. If your going to do the Munroe Method its easier if your high because you have to get into a altered state of conciousness, weed puts in one really quickly.
BrianPSTJ 7 months ago