Here is my paradoxical list: David icke Michael Tsarion Jacque Fresco Peter Joseph Jordan Maxwell Bill Cooper Noam Chomsky Ron Paul Alex Jones Madame Blavasky Genesis P Orrige Carl Jung Lydia Lunch Ben Stewart Tim Leary Terence Mckenna Eustace Mullins Wilhelm Reich Aliester Crowley Alan Watts Lao Tzu Krishnamurti Rudolf Steiner Jim Mars Grant Morrison Robert A Wilson Manly Hall William Burroughs Brion Gysin Zecharia Sitchin Rosaleen Norton Nesta Webster Peter Kropotkin Cynthia Mckinney JFK
That is not to say that there are not those knowingly misleading and dividing people. But this is more on the main stream rueters and associated press level. Once you get into your own alternative research and looking at alternative media. Taking the good and leaving the bad in people and focusing on common ground only then can we take our species back.
I dont think there is much as far as disinfo other then the obvious people like Dan Brown,Glen Beck, Michael Moore,Bill Maher. Those in the main stream and even then there are still nuggets of truth and I wouldnt discredit them completely because It could lead somwhere better. Remember that just because someone is establishment doesnt mean there disinfo. As far as the truth movement goes people accuse others of being disinfo because they are seperated by ideology.
Milton Cooper said the documents he was shown about ufo's may be dis-info. He did say he saw a craft, which just puts him on a long list of which I'm on. Except on the Greer thing, he is THE shit.
People I used to be interested in but then rejected as misleading: David Icke and Alex Jones, Lazaris (channeled being), Swami Prabhupada (leader of the Hare Krishna movement).
People that provided me with insight and whom I still appreciate: Robert Anton Wilson, Alan Watts, Terence McKenna, Stanislav Grof, Bruce Lipton
Somewhere in the middle: Dan Winter, David Wilcock, Nassim Haramein
Good ideas, as long as group dynamics do not spoil the whole thing: Zeitgeist & The Venus Project
@Jyotirveda2 I agree about Icke and Alex Jones...I also agree wholeheartedly about R.A.W. & Alan Watts...although I too dig Terence! I'm not as kind as you regarding the UFO crowd - it's just simply not a big deal to me. Alex Collier, to me, had the most compelling talk on UFO stuff...but even that was watched purely for "entertainment value". I'll also add Joseph Campbell & Sam Harris to the mix - but that's just me. Venus project just seems too utopian to me - ppl would fight that so much.
Yes, it was only a short summery. I love Joseph Campbell's work!
I'm not into UFO's, but Winter, Wilcock and Haramein have explained things about fractals, sacred geometry and the Golden Mean ratio that I found useful, or at least interesting.
Here you go; Kerry W Thornley was a great friend for many years,and more than anyone taught me how to look at things. Others...Tim Cridland, Genesis p Orridge,
Timothy Leary, Nesta webster, Aleister Crowley, Bill Cooper, Harrison Livingston, Lyndon LaRouche, Anton Chatikin, P D Scott, Edward Gibbon, Eustace Mullins,
R Buckminster Fuller, Carlos Castaneda, Ron Bonds (a friend, was) Adam Parfrey, Jim Kieth, Jacques Vallee, John Keel, Gary Allen, HG Wells, Pauels and Bergier, EUSTACE MULLINS
ALLAN WATT IS A PRETTY KNOWLEDGABLE GUY AND HE DOESNT THROW U WEIRD SHIT, just simple logic- no transcendental stuff, he knows about spirit stuff but its not what he choses to talk about- he focuses on things that can be detected because of historical reference
@koberask .....I think Socrates/Plato are good too....why you say not so much anymore?? I would like to read what you think about them.....cheers man....and nice video...
I think Peter Joseph is genuine about his beliefs. It doesn't seem that there's any disinformation there. Zeitgeist wasn't even intended to become popular at all. It was just a side movie he made about how he saw the world & a lot of people happened to agree which is what spawned the movement. He never said anyone (like Icke or Maxwell) was really correct. He just touched on their general philosophies. And he doesn't promote any specific theory like satanists, reptilians or anything like that.
Its like panning for gold; you have to sift through a lot of sand (bull). No one person in particular; I try never to become a fan of anyone so that my mind become clouded by their words. i have found that most "truths" can be found in the silence within. The more someone speak and shout the less they have to say. And when their speech becomes their monetary means of survival, the less I trust their words. The life if Ghandhi was my first awakening to love for humanity as a whole.
I like to get video and watch their body language while they do their pitch and look and listen for tells showing deception.
I watch their eye movement and listen for stress in their voice everything.
It takes more effort and brain power to lie then it does to tell the truth and lucky for us most of these BS artist aren't very good actors or they would be in Hollywood
Watch Jordan Maxwell and you'll see what I'm talking about, especially when he translates the meanings of words.
There's a website called Never Not Here go to archives and watch Ramesh Balsesh and also Leonard Jacobson, Ramesh was the president of the Bank of India, and in later life was said to be enlightened............ keep up the good work
2012 ENIGMA look it up, this dude is definitely someone i would recommend, because he doesnt talk about alot of false shit, real facts. look up "david wilcock 2012 enigma" he breaks it down
how could someone possibly leave ideologies apart? The fact that you are talking about "truthers" is already an ideology. I dont need truthers and I dont trust anyone except myself. I'm a sceptic.
you will never find the 'truth' if you cant tell it from a fact.
peace.
There are an infinite number of paths one can take that leads to the source(God). it is NOT strictly limited to a religion(s)/jesus christ - That is a fact
people must read the bible king james version,,,is all in there,,reading the bible u all will understand the times we living and who to trust,,the bible is the book of life..god says so many of my people will die because of ignorance...reading the bible is really important,gives u peace knowledge, and will prepare u for whats coming,,,
William Cooper exposed the truth so they had to muddy the waters with disinformationists like Icke, Maxwell, Tsarian, Sitchin, Jones, Zeitgeist....etc. None offer any solutions...the only solutions they offer in the end are the same lies lucifer. The idea that man can become gods. This is really the only thing you need to spot the lie... alien channelers, enlightened masters, and demonic spirit channelers like Ramtha agree with the lie in the garden. They all come from the same source.
just like there are many many many disinformants station throughout religion does it mean that ALL religious people are evil?
there are many many areas & people who channel, work with aliens, & are enlightened masters that are the very expression of love/God & have done nothing but help ppl like u who call them "demonic."
Check out KeithTruth and Knowwheretorun1984 ....they have THE BEST vids out there that I have found exposing the disinformation of the many shills within the truth movement who simply mimic the truth. Maxwell, Tsarian, Icke, Sitchin, are all shills...In my opinion...but for sure check out Keithtruth's and knowhweretorun1984's vids on youtube. Keith Thompson in my opinion is one of the best up and comers. Check out Joe Jordan and the CE4 research group when it comes to the alien deception.
It's very hard to determine the truth as there are so many points of view. It could be possible that confusion is the true conspiracy.
Many seem to want to believe in scandal. The most recent one I've come across is Barbara Bush being Aleister Crowley's love-child. However when you look for family characteristics, none can be found. The odd thing is the vague feeling of disappointment if that was so. People love scandal.
carl jung 5th degree mason watts mason icke mason jordan maxwell mason alex jone cia jesuit tsarion mason or so i hear they are all disinfoists who has most influenced me bill cooper rick clay they were great men who spoke the truth
U.S. has enough oil to last for hundreds of years! TRUE
both previous statements are meaningless.
Steve Hassan - B.I.T.E.
information control = mind control
TJ, do you appreciate the fact that 99% of people you inter-react with on a day to day basis have their thoughts conditioned by television. not mentioned on TV = not true and not important (or it would be on tv!).
There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know.
Donald Rumsfeld
unknown unknown for 99% Americans (with 99% probability TJ) , what year will peak oil production occur in the U.S.?
the almost immediate response will be their *conditioned* response, i.e. , no.
so, a corollary of this is that these same people wish to cling to their illusions.
there is almost never any reflection on what it means to be disillusioned or if they cling to their illusions what or who is the SOURCE of their illusions, or whether their life might be better if they would discard illusions that possess them.
Hitler, Machiavelli, Ivan Pavlov, Yen Lo (fictional character), George Orwell, Gustave Le Bon, Edward Bernays, Steve Hassan, Diogenes, Plato, J.C. (mythological character?) simply amazing that Hitler could explain the mechanics of a great "Jedi mind trick" (stagger the mind) and over 80 years later it could still be used effectively.
"...they will DOUBT AND WAVER and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation."
who am them? well, them be all kinds of nationalities, races, "religions" (as much as they claim to be religious), political parties, political and/or economic systems.
they have one thing in common. they are socially adept and they are psychopaths.
people of U.S. , do you doubt for one second that your life is run by these folks?
is oil a finite resource?
is the actual (real world) physical construct, as well as of your economy based on this premise?
Amazing isn't it TruthJockey, divide and conquer. illuminati? Bildebergers? Jesuits? the pope? are you a disinfo agent? phisching for names to put on a hit list? for 99% of Americans I can easily name their number one "Truther"; that be television. for 99% of Americans television defines what is real *AND* what is important. simplest, easiest, step most folks could take to free their minds would be to turn off their television, FOREVER. Steve Hassan B ehavior I information T hought E motion
DO NOT TRUST ALEX JONES OR DAVID ICKE. also trust nobody who gets promotion on jones' radioshow or who works with him!
normally i'd say trust NOBODY. do your own research... but william (aka bill) cooper is credible in my opinion because he always showed the documents he was talking about and the main reason: he got killed!
another thing: new age movement = no good ^^
it's message is satanic: "I AM" recognize these words? they always want to tell you that you're god... sheesh
I agree that Icke and Jones are disformation agents. Look up ex-illuminatistJohn Todd who did a couple lectures before he was thrown into in an asylum and mysteriously disappeared. Also look up these youtubers: malakhhatzadik & LenonHonorFilms
I've been listening to many Manly P Hall lectures and he continually spoke out against the misuse of secret knowledge, against so-called "black magic" and those whose values are wealth and power above all else.
He also refers to Jesus, Buddha and others in positive light.
Although I'm suspicious that Freemasonry has been infiltrated, he apparently never went through it but was giving 33deg.
He doesn't promote "new age"... he tells of ancient symbolism.
part2... so at one time I did think all of Freemasonry was corrupt at the top level. I have also heard that even the 33 degree is divided into two halves.
Anyway, I am starting to question whether their is more greyscale to this whole thing and there might be a few actually good people we may be lumping in with some group.
Alchemy and some "occult" teachings and many old symbolic systems contain some similar ideas to Indian chakras in some ways.
Definitely William Cooper, the truth-telling ppl always are poor, and some even end up dead!... only the "false prophets" keep on shouting fear-mongering stuffs, but still healthy, safe and sound and rich too.... They will not be harmed by the illuminist, becos' they themselves are part of it....
Most definately not Tsarion or Maxwell. Read Morals and Dogma and Isis unveiled, then find anyone that trys to bring them into their new age version of the truth.
Alex Jones...see the millenium broadcast. All truthes have got it wrong even Bill Cooper who spent most his life beliving in aliens.
Gary Franchi, Alex Jones, Bill Cooper, Phil Schneider, Lindsay Williams, Svali, G Edward Griffin, Texx Marrs, and yes, Jesus Christ. Aaron Russo, JFK, BOB SCHULZ, KATHERINE ALBRECHT, Ed.D
the issue is: not who inspires us, gives us understanding us or who can shock us the most BUT who is really telling us the truth? Are the truths hearsay, or they taken from unknown sources without credibility. For example are the illuminati really in control or are the jesuits? why is phelps the only one who says the jesuits are top dogs? Or is coo[per and alex just out there to just be suspicious of governments regardless they do. How much is it hysteria, fearmongering and how much is it truth
jesus is the real truther even the bible explains the future NWO better then any1else once you learn to understand it, but other then that one of JFK speeches will really get u thinking when he talks about the secret society and gets assassinated, and john todd i think was truth to...not alex jones hes a mainstream truther and i trust nothing mainstream
I will NOT work Paul Joseph and Jordan Maxwell who are ANTI Theists not Atheists like Jason B (big difference!).
Trace back both of the above takes you to Theosphy which is funded by NWO Rockerfella, supports the NWO UN, supports Masons, gave us both the Arian thinking and the Swatstia. Paul J quotes this stuff word for word. They attack Xtianity/Judism and want to introduce the NWO religion of repacked Satanism which will be forced on everyones or they will die!
Defenders of freedom in general. Alex Jones, Ron Paul, Aaron Russo, Ayn Rand, Chuck Baldwin, Murray Rothbard, Ludwig Von Mises. David Icke first got me listening to Alex Jones.
Adam Carolla, once you get past all the dick/fart jokes, is actually one of the sanest and logical comics out there. Up there with Hicks/Carlin IMHO (although he really has no interest in politics)
bottom of the shit pile goes alex jones and david icke. I can barely even muster the interest to mention the latter. I can't believe anyone takes him seriously.
phil schnieder got me started on seceret military stuff and thenfound zeitgeist and kinda snoballed from there and recently looking into manly hall and older scholars philosiphers or what ever u wanna callen but u have interesting points keep it up may peace be upon u
great topic - I think that researching everyone out there while retaining the critical thinking you've been endowed with as you process their ideas and/or presentations is ideal. It is critical to listen to one's own consciousness while consulting those that share true love and unstanding
I think, the only truther you can trust is the very self. In these days there is no other informationsource really reliable, then our own personal feeling to the matter of question.
Here's a clip where Alan Watt does the exact same "cutting off anyone who asks questions he doesn't want to answer" that Alex Jones does. He also implicates Michael Tsarion as a shill in this same clip.
why trust any of them? Why not research primary sources and history for yourself? I'll say this much. Jordan Maxwell is a flat out liar. To an unbelievable degree. There are several videos just type 'Debunking Jordan Maxwell'
Alan Watts? he is certainly disinfo!! The same hopeless trash pumped out since the sixties; everything and everyone is a liar/false/untrue, only trust me, trust Alan etc...
Psychology? Jung? His ilk? Much the cause of the self centred trash that passes for society today.
just waking up - still wiping the sleep from my eyes! was first introduced to alex jones, sometimes hard to listen to. i will be checking out the names i see listed here, you guys have given me a hell of a list to research. thanks!
Leo Zagami, Micheal Tsarion, Dr. Bill Deagle. Even Eric Jon Phelps has some good research but he fails miserably when it comes down to the all important necesity of raising ones consciousness and he commits the unpardonable sin of accusing people like Alex Jones of being a false rebel. Typical born again christian, not open minded and way too trusting of king james version of reality. Amen Ra. Oh by the way the proof is in the pudding.
Leo is a disinfo agent, otherwise he'd be dead. Michael Tsarion is works for the elite, and confuses the truth like Maxwell with exagerations or just flat out lies.
They pick on the freemasons, saying that 99% of them are great people and that the top 33 degrees are the evil "part" (even though it's a secretive club... (scapegoat)) So I guess when they do they are 99% wrong. I don't see the IDF opening childrens hospitals. I'm sure the burn victim patient children appreciate the reduced funds Alex has caused. I'm not a freemason, but I know some and they aint devil worshipping idiots like AJ
I think those two are in place as plants to make truthers look like idiots to the masses.
Charles Manson is quite intelligent, he described Global warming perfectly in the early 80's. He's killed many fewer than Bush. They should trade places and give Chas the Nobel Peace prize.
You can not be "mainstream" and remain "mainstream" and be against Israel. How you gonna separate religion from this?
Alexandre Dumas is my favorite relative truther. He only wrote 400 historical novels which always dealt with Satanism, Catholic church, Freemasonry,supernatural demonic entities posing as humans,diabolical aristocratic families. I say relative truthers because not everyone is fortunate and serious enough to consider what are the spiritual or holistic solutions. As Micheal Tsarion has stated he doesnt leave consciousness at the door. Born again christians always leave consciousness at the door.
Richard Dawkins - He just began his work exposing the truth behind religion with God Delusion. Then he went on to make the films called 'Enemies of Reason' which delves into the 'spirital' practices that are out there such as tarot readings.
Peter Joseph - you know him.
Alex Jones - In limited doses, I like his stuff on Water Fluoridation.
Jason Bermas - 9/11: Loose Change (director/producer)
Carl Sagan - he may not be a "truther" but he does talk some interesting points on religion.
In no real order...Alan Watt (for the real dirt on the NWO), Derren Brown (for NLP), Tom Waits (for lifelong inspiration), Spinoza (for a rudamentary understanding), Alex Jones (for information up to a point), Aron Russo (to cement my ideas), Georges Perec (for the highest of creative thinking), David Icke (up to a point), Manly P Hall (to understand the preisthood of the NWO) Stanly Kubrick (for being such a clever bastard about exposition)and Peter Joseph(for introducing me to Fresco)and more
The 2nd time is still in progress David Wilcock "2012 DNA crop circles". With him I think it is difficult as his theories are consistent but in the end u have to choose, if u believe him or not.
the third and so far last time a youtuber blew my mind was "indogorevolution999"
To me improtant is:
information gives completely new insights
it underlines something I already knew
and most important is:
What do I feel about, what is said, as I believe we now the truth, but block it for varius reasons
George Orwell foresaw the society we are approaching - "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." and "For a creative writer possession of the "truth" is less important than emotional sincerity."
Michael Ruppert, David Ray Griffin, Jim Marrs, Steven Jones, Richard Gage, Lindsey Williams, Webster Tarpley,
And I think the following people are CounterIntelligence agents or just plain idiots: No Planers, Ace Baker, Judy Wood, John Hutchinson, Morgan Reynolds?, Mark Roberts,
One more thing TJ. It's been a couple of off days here and my brain is really fried, so, my response is REALLY off. Please excuse me if the answers are not as they should be.
I know about Tsarion, Icke, Madam Blavatsky, & Manly...I never even heard of those other ppl - which of those would a ManlyHall/Jung/AlanWatts/Epicurus kind of guy like? Thanks for the input...did you pick up anything new watching The Black Sun...Manly's work only appeals to a few of us - I can explore his work ALL DAY LONG?! I honestly don't know who could've smarter than him...others were smart...none may've been smarter. Again, thanks!
The black sun issue is one of familiarity as the swastika is emblematic of it and a common symbol among native folks and Buddhists. Going clockwise it represents the left polarity, Illuminati. Going counterclockwise, it represents, right polarity, Luminari. We are about to find the balance btween the two and the whole brain awakening. As for which one of those authors you might find interesting. Maybe Pearce ( The Biology of Transcendence). Or Falone( The Genius Frequency).
My top 3- Ron Paul, Greg Palast, Aron Russo. But you might just say The internet in general! Its the internet that has woken most of us all up. We damn sure did'nt find the truth from television.
Let's give a shout out to Al Huxley's BRAVE NEW WORLD hypothesis, too! Arthur Koestler's "Ghost In the Machine" seems to be unfolding before our eyes, too! Nice input, thanks for watching. Kip
i can tell ya ..the deal ..of who what how..and why the "movement" is structured the way we are offered...i can deliver the take. just for beginners: alex jones is disinfo - MANY MORE - eric jon phelps isnt religious..like marrs - but most are either zionist/jesuit praddle dis/misinfo jawbreakers ...the movement is doomed as they planned..too-late - tesla technology will be usewd on us..most are a produced audience of activist which will be agnostic, atheist, alternative lives etc.i can go on
There are so many great minds that have influenced me in one way or another. Here are five greats that helped me to see the lies in things and to examine reality closer.
On my list are peter joseph, ron paul, peter schiff and you are on my list truth jockey because I have many other like minded people specifically alan watts thanks to you.
I'm uploading a Manly P Hall (tribute) video right now - it'll be the first in a series of 8 videos covering "the mysteries". I'm trying to get his word out there to the peeps - same as Alan Watts & others. Thanks so much for checking my vids out - it means a lot!
#1 Alan Watt: the man keeps me grounded and has show me when I have taken a wrong path. #2 Peter Joseph: The first thing to wake me up. #3 Truthjockey! You have done a lot for me my brother. Your favorites have sent me in different areas I never considered. Your vid about your dog was amazing! #4: Bill hicks, strait up truth. #5 alex jones, if only for the speed at which he discovers new deceptions and gets the info out. I don't like him as a person, but respect his intention. 4:20! awesome man.
Alan Watt is awesome...my only beef with him is his propensity to color things in a science-fiction "mode"...I'm the least imaginative person on YouTube...it all sounds so "Star Trek & Far Out". That man knows predictive programming & NLP & subliminals better than most others. As far as Peter Joseph goes, I've really been impressed by issue ability to break down complex issues & his courage for tackling the 800-lb gorilla in the room - RELIGION! Thanks.
Epicurus, Krishnamurti and Myron C. Fagan where early influences on me.
I like reading the old philosophers and trying to pick out the honest theorists from the corrupt conspirators. Machiavelli The Princes is describing the mentality of the elite ruling classes through time IMHO. That type of reading interests me.
I've posted a video response to the smoke screen series, it decodes much of the great conspiracy they have been following in their script, the bible.
What is it about Epicurus...he lived over 2,300 years ago yet I quote him almost WEEKLY! On death, on happiness, that man had a "fix" for anything - he opined against the ills of advertisers back then, too!
I'll read more into Krishamurti & Fagan...thanks for the list! :-)
MORE QUICK HITS: Do we have any R.A.W. fans in the mix? What about George Galloway...did anyone else notice he's softened his stance VS Zionism & the middle east situation...what gives? What about Hitchens warming up to the NeoCons (and Halliburton & Bechtel)...did that peeve you? I hear rumblings, from time to time, some folks say Jordan Maxwell is a disinfo agent...are you buying that? What about Eustice Mullins & those Ezra pound disciples...any opinions there? Any Lyndon Larouche fans?
That's what I told my friend Henry in Cincy - exactly that...however the material got out there, I'm just glad it got out there. Sorry Jordan, we love ya bro.
I listened to a show he did with Alex Ansary & really liked it...other times (before) he was always talking Anna Nicole Smith & that DIDN'T interest me, at all! He's one of those guys I'm gonna keep exploring. Speaking of exploring, I really dig Henrik Palmgren over at RedIce - he's my favorite interviewer. Henrik asks the questions I'd be asking & I can't believe he's also in a band...one of their songs was pretty good, too.
Not to beat a dead horse but I would include Alex Jones but after a few critical comments on his channel about the peter joseph interview about how he preaches about no in-fighting and he's starting it. I was indeed booted off the channel? Is that freedom of speech or censoring!
I could list many, but most of them would be the same as everyone elses. Let me give you something a bit different.
Few years ago I would never had thought that an energy investment banker would be one of my idols, but Matthew Simmons is definitely one. A level headed intelligent person who has the facts straight.
That guy is AWESOME...I think "The Middle Way" is my favorite AW stuff! Do you notice how most of the greats had one or two flaws...with Alan Watts, he wasn't necessarily a "family man" & he did have issues with booze towards the end of his life. (But who's perfect?) I'm reading one of his books this week, "The Way of Zen".
There's a huge problem.... No one can just come out and say ..." Kill all the Rothschilds, Kill all the Windsors, and the Hapsburgs, and The Rockefellars "....I suppose if someone where to say that, then bad things would happen, the bad news is, that if someone doesn't say that, bad things are going to happen. What do ya do ?!
The reason no-one has come out and said that is because its the black and white world of people like Alex Jones. He paints everyone in aristocratic circles as the 'deadly elite' which is utter nonsense. Take Prince Charles for instance he is the number ONE opponent of GM and Nanotech foods in Britain and is a huge figure in the world in this regard. I agree certain people need taken out but try to be more discerning and get out of the AJ duality mindset.
You've hit on a HUGE thing thuddas - that "duality" (of light & dark) is merely a projection of our own beliefs. People should really steer clear of projecting too much BLACK & WHITE into anything - ppl can get you "sucked up" (in the moment) with these kinds of distinctions. Great Point, brutha!
Agreed, one can really loses their mind believing that EVERYBODY is in on the grand plan, ALL politicians, EVERYBODY w/ wealth (actors, musicians incl.), even some truth seekers get accused.
Wait, I think I get it....You feel that because Prince Charle's' PR department has set him up with a couple of " good " causes this somehow means that the world wouldn't be a better place if all the Windsors were to be eliminated. Wait...ok listen to what your saying....some Royal has voiced " good intentions "....Didn't the German Press tell you that Hitler had good intentions ? I agree, you need to stop thinking in terms of black and white, and start thinking in terms of liberty and control.
Ok shiekyerbooty, here your epitomising something I utterly detest in many 'truthers'.
Firstly I wasnt speaking of the entire house of Windsor, only one point of view of one member, so dont be stupid enough to take that so out of context.
Secondly, If satan himself rises from Hell and states in a loud voice that echoes over the land 'GM food is a huge disaster waiting to happen' and it gets in all the newspapers for everyone to see - is it necessarily a bad message?
Ive been friendly with people who have titles in their family, estates etc, and personally what I admire about them is if they dont like something hey get OFF their asses and change it, despite generally having no-where near these bankers attitudes in terms of domination.
For example - the only thing that stopped we British from having National ID cards forced on us was - THE HOUSE OF LORDS. Thats right, the landed elite actually stone-walled it...
Do you know why this is? Its something that Alex Jones and his ilk cant grasp - their are powerful families in Britain who were well established before America was even discovered and who consider money made by business as 'petite Bourgeoisie' - upstarts without morals. Extremely wealthy people, which ive known, who still send sons to war with the 'plebs'. Start looking at the broader picture and stop being a simple fool, especially when calling for the deaths of people you dont understand.
I think I see where you fall short. It doesn't matter whether they are conciously evil or not, the system has always been rigged by them and for them, there has never been a fair market for these " petite bourgeoisie " as you like to think of them. You see when people like Mark Cuban protect their wealth, they do a little insider trading. But when people like your beloved royals protect their wealth, laws get changed, people get assassinated, wars are started, and masses of people are oppressed.
Frankly friend im sick of this entire movement and the pinheads who constitute at least half of it. It simply HAS to be one or the other for you doesnt it? You cant see the full spectrum.
This is why you and so many others are fucked. Not because those who wish to rule you are all powerful, but because you dont check for real facts AND you cant see more than the 'us and them' control mechanism.
they set up these so called "truthers" so that you dont think for yourself
so that the sheeple looks up to them
and are visiting their sites for information
PoleShift 3 months ago
because
you really think they will let those truthers speak their mind
if they dont control it?
PoleShift 3 months ago
you see i think there is a big change coming
and at the end date
they will let you know some stuff
PoleShift 3 months ago
i think that all the so called truthers are controlled
i think thats how they work
they will give you all the knowledge because we are living in the last days of humanity
PoleShift 3 months ago
Here is my paradoxical list: David icke Michael Tsarion Jacque Fresco Peter Joseph Jordan Maxwell Bill Cooper Noam Chomsky Ron Paul Alex Jones Madame Blavasky Genesis P Orrige Carl Jung Lydia Lunch Ben Stewart Tim Leary Terence Mckenna Eustace Mullins Wilhelm Reich Aliester Crowley Alan Watts Lao Tzu Krishnamurti Rudolf Steiner Jim Mars Grant Morrison Robert A Wilson Manly Hall William Burroughs Brion Gysin Zecharia Sitchin Rosaleen Norton Nesta Webster Peter Kropotkin Cynthia Mckinney JFK
graceesty 6 months ago
That is not to say that there are not those knowingly misleading and dividing people. But this is more on the main stream rueters and associated press level. Once you get into your own alternative research and looking at alternative media. Taking the good and leaving the bad in people and focusing on common ground only then can we take our species back.
graceesty 6 months ago
I dont think there is much as far as disinfo other then the obvious people like Dan Brown,Glen Beck, Michael Moore,Bill Maher. Those in the main stream and even then there are still nuggets of truth and I wouldnt discredit them completely because It could lead somwhere better. Remember that just because someone is establishment doesnt mean there disinfo. As far as the truth movement goes people accuse others of being disinfo because they are seperated by ideology.
graceesty 7 months ago
trust in Yeshua
Death2theNWO777 8 months ago
Milton Cooper said the documents he was shown about ufo's may be dis-info. He did say he saw a craft, which just puts him on a long list of which I'm on. Except on the Greer thing, he is THE shit.
MrNoblemanoflove 1 year ago
People I used to be interested in but then rejected as misleading: David Icke and Alex Jones, Lazaris (channeled being), Swami Prabhupada (leader of the Hare Krishna movement).
People that provided me with insight and whom I still appreciate: Robert Anton Wilson, Alan Watts, Terence McKenna, Stanislav Grof, Bruce Lipton
Somewhere in the middle: Dan Winter, David Wilcock, Nassim Haramein
Good ideas, as long as group dynamics do not spoil the whole thing: Zeitgeist & The Venus Project
Jyotirveda2 1 year ago
@Jyotirveda2 I agree about Icke and Alex Jones...I also agree wholeheartedly about R.A.W. & Alan Watts...although I too dig Terence! I'm not as kind as you regarding the UFO crowd - it's just simply not a big deal to me. Alex Collier, to me, had the most compelling talk on UFO stuff...but even that was watched purely for "entertainment value". I'll also add Joseph Campbell & Sam Harris to the mix - but that's just me. Venus project just seems too utopian to me - ppl would fight that so much.
TruthJockey 1 year ago
Yes, it was only a short summery. I love Joseph Campbell's work!
I'm not into UFO's, but Winter, Wilcock and Haramein have explained things about fractals, sacred geometry and the Golden Mean ratio that I found useful, or at least interesting.
Will check out Sam Harris, didn't know him yet!
Jyotirveda2 1 year ago
Alan Watt, Alex Jones, Webster Tarpley, Max Keiser, Dr. Breeding, John Gatto, G. Edward Griffin
sgentlemanjack112 1 year ago
Here you go; Kerry W Thornley was a great friend for many years,and more than anyone taught me how to look at things. Others...Tim Cridland, Genesis p Orridge,
Timothy Leary, Nesta webster, Aleister Crowley, Bill Cooper, Harrison Livingston, Lyndon LaRouche, Anton Chatikin, P D Scott, Edward Gibbon, Eustace Mullins,
R Buckminster Fuller, Carlos Castaneda, Ron Bonds (a friend, was) Adam Parfrey, Jim Kieth, Jacques Vallee, John Keel, Gary Allen, HG Wells, Pauels and Bergier, EUSTACE MULLINS
anothercountyheard 1 year ago
The truth is, 911 was a inside job, Obama is a ilegale alien, , The bankers rule, Want any more?
darrellmellissa 1 year ago
Any truther that doesn't mention a product, while explaining the truth.
I personally like Rick Adams on Republic Broadcasting Network, It's a discussion instead of a force fed rant of supposed truth.
allusionify 1 year ago
@koberask are u kidding urself, the video is wrong and the authors of the video admit it has some incorrect facts
deceiver123m 1 year ago
ALLAN WATT IS A PRETTY KNOWLEDGABLE GUY AND HE DOESNT THROW U WEIRD SHIT, just simple logic- no transcendental stuff, he knows about spirit stuff but its not what he choses to talk about- he focuses on things that can be detected because of historical reference
deceiver123m 1 year ago
Me its bill cooper and the fourrunner777
dboyneo 1 year ago
Anthony West-Magical Egypt
Bob/Ziggy Marley
Alan watts
Socrates/Plato
Bill Hicks
Bill Cooper
Nikola Tesla
Edward Leedscanlin
These are just a few of the people who affected myself.
The most important one to trust is yourself. Others can point the way to the water yet you have to drink it.
winthorne 1 year ago
@winthorne
Add Robert-Anton Wilson to that and you've got a rather fetching compillation of interesting-as-fuck human beings.
fent11 1 year ago
@winthorne
Add Robert-Anton Wilson to that list and you've got a rather fetching compillation of interesting-as-fuck human beings.
fent11 1 year ago
@koberask .....I think Socrates/Plato are good too....why you say not so much anymore?? I would like to read what you think about them.....cheers man....and nice video...
BaronVonsFuden 1 year ago
I think Peter Joseph is genuine about his beliefs. It doesn't seem that there's any disinformation there. Zeitgeist wasn't even intended to become popular at all. It was just a side movie he made about how he saw the world & a lot of people happened to agree which is what spawned the movement. He never said anyone (like Icke or Maxwell) was really correct. He just touched on their general philosophies. And he doesn't promote any specific theory like satanists, reptilians or anything like that.
OfAllOblivion 1 year ago
Its like panning for gold; you have to sift through a lot of sand (bull). No one person in particular; I try never to become a fan of anyone so that my mind become clouded by their words. i have found that most "truths" can be found in the silence within. The more someone speak and shout the less they have to say. And when their speech becomes their monetary means of survival, the less I trust their words. The life if Ghandhi was my first awakening to love for humanity as a whole.
herviews 1 year ago
your'e a fukin idiot and your a waste of space go drink some more flouride you fukin looney...INFOWARS.COM cowards!!!!
soulAten 1 year ago
Anyone who cannot tell the truth about the JEW is a shill.
parasitesarefunny 1 year ago
Huxley and Socrates.....yeah!!!!!
BaronVonsFuden 1 year ago
i think Alan Watt is sensible and knowledgeable.......and he doesn't seem to be
trying to get rich off what he does....it appears as if he's just trying to inform
people of what's really going on.
I personally think Jordan Maxwell is off his nut
becktorkelson 1 year ago
Ive listen to all these people and I conclude, the Truth is in my own heart live and direct..Know thyself!
sweeetly 1 year ago
I like to get video and watch their body language while they do their pitch and look and listen for tells showing deception.
I watch their eye movement and listen for stress in their voice everything.
It takes more effort and brain power to lie then it does to tell the truth and lucky for us most of these BS artist aren't very good actors or they would be in Hollywood
Watch Jordan Maxwell and you'll see what I'm talking about, especially when he translates the meanings of words.
Peace
DaveGrizzom 1 year ago
Terence McKenna turned me on, tuned me in, and almost dropped me out, and then Alan Watts brought it all together. That's where I am now anyway.
armenianweirdo 1 year ago
My top 3 most reliable "truthers" (not idols):
Bill Hicks
Huey P. Newton
Krishnamurti
...unfortunately, they've all been dead in their graves for over 10 years.. Bummer! I'll need to do an update and see if I can make a new list.
seanotube85 1 year ago
"modern-day truthers"...
or did you mean "new age truthers" :D
one word... Jesuits.
Google it.
Nouttis 1 year ago
There's a website called Never Not Here go to archives and watch Ramesh Balsesh and also Leonard Jacobson, Ramesh was the president of the Bank of India, and in later life was said to be enlightened............ keep up the good work
johnt49 2 years ago
2012 ENIGMA look it up, this dude is definitely someone i would recommend, because he doesnt talk about alot of false shit, real facts. look up "david wilcock 2012 enigma" he breaks it down
Lefty2muzzlez 2 years ago
DAVID WILCOCK HANDS DOWN MAN
Lefty2muzzlez 2 years ago
I only trust the dead truthers.
If they are alive they are one of "them"
investigative journalism died along time ago.
Yohum7 2 years ago
how could someone possibly leave ideologies apart? The fact that you are talking about "truthers" is already an ideology. I dont need truthers and I dont trust anyone except myself. I'm a sceptic.
WolYou 2 years ago
TRUTH IS PERSONAL & NOT FOR EVERYONE.
FACTS ARE UNIVERSAL & APPLY TO EVERYONE.
you will never find the 'truth' if you cant tell it from a fact.
peace.
There are an infinite number of paths one can take that leads to the source(God). it is NOT strictly limited to a religion(s)/jesus christ - That is a fact
alter08 2 years ago
There is one fact, namely that gods do not exist.
WolYou 2 years ago
people must read the bible king james version,,,is all in there,,reading the bible u all will understand the times we living and who to trust,,the bible is the book of life..god says so many of my people will die because of ignorance...reading the bible is really important,gives u peace knowledge, and will prepare u for whats coming,,,
necas00 2 years ago
you realize the story of the vigin birth was told 6 times tfrom the egyptian time to the birth of jesus, he learned about this while traveling india!
nhojproductions 2 years ago
The bible is not a book. its a disgrace for people with brains and thoughts.
WolYou 2 years ago
Trust no one. There is no such thing as trust
Trust is just an Illusion to make you feel safe.
there's no such thing as safety...
I don't even Trust Jeezuz.....
P.S.: You know shit about psychology
Torcika 2 years ago
The best truth-er is definitely Jesus, I used to be a hardcore atheist and studied philosophy and psychology just like you.
The truth is right in front of everybody but they take it for granted and look elsewhere.
DISCIPLESOFCHRISTOS 2 years ago
William Cooper exposed the truth so they had to muddy the waters with disinformationists like Icke, Maxwell, Tsarian, Sitchin, Jones, Zeitgeist....etc. None offer any solutions...the only solutions they offer in the end are the same lies lucifer. The idea that man can become gods. This is really the only thing you need to spot the lie... alien channelers, enlightened masters, and demonic spirit channelers like Ramtha agree with the lie in the garden. They all come from the same source.
destinylab 2 years ago 4
@destinylab
just like there are many many many disinformants station throughout religion does it mean that ALL religious people are evil?
there are many many areas & people who channel, work with aliens, & are enlightened masters that are the very expression of love/God & have done nothing but help ppl like u who call them "demonic."
open your minds................Before you die
peace
alter08 2 years ago
Check out KeithTruth and Knowwheretorun1984 ....they have THE BEST vids out there that I have found exposing the disinformation of the many shills within the truth movement who simply mimic the truth. Maxwell, Tsarian, Icke, Sitchin, are all shills...In my opinion...but for sure check out Keithtruth's and knowhweretorun1984's vids on youtube. Keith Thompson in my opinion is one of the best up and comers. Check out Joe Jordan and the CE4 research group when it comes to the alien deception.
destinylab 2 years ago
@destinylab
I was blocked by KeithTruth by just making a couple comments on his tube channel. He is a war monger and hater of the people.
The only truth is the truth of Natural Law
CosmosPrivateer 1 year ago
It's very hard to determine the truth as there are so many points of view. It could be possible that confusion is the true conspiracy.
Many seem to want to believe in scandal. The most recent one I've come across is Barbara Bush being Aleister Crowley's love-child. However when you look for family characteristics, none can be found. The odd thing is the vague feeling of disappointment if that was so. People love scandal.
Jeorney 2 years ago
carl jung 5th degree mason watts mason icke mason jordan maxwell mason alex jone cia jesuit tsarion mason or so i hear they are all disinfoists who has most influenced me bill cooper rick clay they were great men who spoke the truth
curvygirl1123 2 years ago
a "leaders" choice
"Master X" is a master mass hypnotist.
"Master X" is also a master at reasoning skill.
Master X is a placed in a room of 100 people that are an average cross section of humans.
would it be easier for Master X to hypnotize these people, or teach them to reason?
to hypnotize them or to reason with them?
would these people desire to learn to reason or to be hypnotized?
most people erroneously respond to last question that they would rather be reasoned with than hypnotized.
bIZAROsPRMN11 2 years ago
"there is no such thing as THE TRUTH ..."
A.W.
huh? how about true and meaningless.
U.S. has plenty of oil. TRUE
U.S. has enough oil to last for hundreds of years! TRUE
both previous statements are meaningless.
Steve Hassan - B.I.T.E.
information control = mind control
TJ, do you appreciate the fact that 99% of people you inter-react with on a day to day basis have their thoughts conditioned by television. not mentioned on TV = not true and not important (or it would be on tv!).
bIZAROsPRMN11 2 years ago
There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know.
Donald Rumsfeld
unknown unknown for 99% Americans (with 99% probability TJ) , what year will peak oil production occur in the U.S.?
answer is 100% knowable.
bIZAROsPRMN11 2 years ago
try this TruthJockey
ask folks
would you *want* to be disillusioned?
the almost immediate response will be their *conditioned* response, i.e. , no.
so, a corollary of this is that these same people wish to cling to their illusions.
there is almost never any reflection on what it means to be disillusioned or if they cling to their illusions what or who is the SOURCE of their illusions, or whether their life might be better if they would discard illusions that possess them.
bIZAROsPRMN11 2 years ago
Hitler, Machiavelli, Ivan Pavlov, Yen Lo (fictional character), George Orwell, Gustave Le Bon, Edward Bernays, Steve Hassan, Diogenes, Plato, J.C. (mythological character?) simply amazing that Hitler could explain the mechanics of a great "Jedi mind trick" (stagger the mind) and over 80 years later it could still be used effectively.
"...they will DOUBT AND WAVER and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation."
Adolf Hitler - Mein Kampf
bIZAROsPRMN11 2 years ago
not too complicated, it is
them or us.
who am them? well, them be all kinds of nationalities, races, "religions" (as much as they claim to be religious), political parties, political and/or economic systems.
they have one thing in common. they are socially adept and they are psychopaths.
people of U.S. , do you doubt for one second that your life is run by these folks?
is oil a finite resource?
is the actual (real world) physical construct, as well as of your economy based on this premise?
bIZAROsPRMN11 2 years ago
bIZAROsPRMN11 2 years ago
I trust Dylan Avery. I distrust Alex Jones and Jason Bermas.
Artist4Justice 2 years ago
I trust the dead ones and I suggest people do the same
properwired 2 years ago
Hunter S. Thompson
solsistah99 2 years ago
DO NOT TRUST ALEX JONES OR DAVID ICKE. also trust nobody who gets promotion on jones' radioshow or who works with him!
normally i'd say trust NOBODY. do your own research... but william (aka bill) cooper is credible in my opinion because he always showed the documents he was talking about and the main reason: he got killed!
another thing: new age movement = no good ^^
it's message is satanic: "I AM" recognize these words? they always want to tell you that you're god... sheesh
BeyondOrwell 2 years ago 2
agreed. "they" just like to mix things up for us people.
dontlistentomeimmute 2 years ago
I agree that Icke and Jones are disformation agents. Look up ex-illuminatistJohn Todd who did a couple lectures before he was thrown into in an asylum and mysteriously disappeared. Also look up these youtubers: malakhhatzadik & LenonHonorFilms
joemartino 2 years ago
I trust no on at the top! They are mocking Birds! CAhh
killgreed 2 years ago
You know Manly P Hall was a high ranking free mason right? Thats why he promotes new age ideas and hates jesus.
WakeUpBritain2009 2 years ago 2
I've been listening to many Manly P Hall lectures and he continually spoke out against the misuse of secret knowledge, against so-called "black magic" and those whose values are wealth and power above all else.
He also refers to Jesus, Buddha and others in positive light.
Although I'm suspicious that Freemasonry has been infiltrated, he apparently never went through it but was giving 33deg.
He doesn't promote "new age"... he tells of ancient symbolism.
He was likely murdered
zetetic0void 2 years ago
part2... so at one time I did think all of Freemasonry was corrupt at the top level. I have also heard that even the 33 degree is divided into two halves.
Anyway, I am starting to question whether their is more greyscale to this whole thing and there might be a few actually good people we may be lumping in with some group.
Alchemy and some "occult" teachings and many old symbolic systems contain some similar ideas to Indian chakras in some ways.
zetetic0void 2 years ago
Try the ones that were silenced.
2 good ones Fritz Springmeier and william cooper.
WakeUpBritain2009 2 years ago
bruce lipton! "the biology of belief". dna altering! literally!
imwoman 2 years ago
Definitely William Cooper, the truth-telling ppl always are poor, and some even end up dead!... only the "false prophets" keep on shouting fear-mongering stuffs, but still healthy, safe and sound and rich too.... They will not be harmed by the illuminist, becos' they themselves are part of it....
kenlucas77 2 years ago
Trust :
Myself, William Cooper, Thomas Paine, John Adams, Alan Watts, Terrence McKenna
John Claudius Pitrat
Dont Trust:
Alex Jones, Jason Bermas
John Conner/Mark Dice/ Mark Shouldice
Alan Watt, Jordan Maxwell, David Icke, The Watson twins, Michael Tsarion
EricIndiana 2 years ago
I'm not sure about Terrence McKenna. I read Foods of the Gods and it seems to be pushing the Luciferian Agenda.
joemartino 2 years ago
Most definately not Tsarion or Maxwell. Read Morals and Dogma and Isis unveiled, then find anyone that trys to bring them into their new age version of the truth.
Alex Jones...see the millenium broadcast. All truthes have got it wrong even Bill Cooper who spent most his life beliving in aliens.
ownNWOnow 2 years ago 2
Gary Franchi, Alex Jones, Bill Cooper, Phil Schneider, Lindsay Williams, Svali, G Edward Griffin, Texx Marrs, and yes, Jesus Christ. Aaron Russo, JFK, BOB SCHULZ, KATHERINE ALBRECHT, Ed.D
gstuart01 2 years ago
the issue is: not who inspires us, gives us understanding us or who can shock us the most BUT who is really telling us the truth? Are the truths hearsay, or they taken from unknown sources without credibility. For example are the illuminati really in control or are the jesuits? why is phelps the only one who says the jesuits are top dogs? Or is coo[per and alex just out there to just be suspicious of governments regardless they do. How much is it hysteria, fearmongering and how much is it truth
vincenz55 2 years ago
jesus is the real truther even the bible explains the future NWO better then any1else once you learn to understand it, but other then that one of JFK speeches will really get u thinking when he talks about the secret society and gets assassinated, and john todd i think was truth to...not alex jones hes a mainstream truther and i trust nothing mainstream
sacor07 2 years ago 2
Strictly Christian Truthers
i have no use for anyone else
ShinobiDJ79 2 years ago
I will NOT work Paul Joseph and Jordan Maxwell who are ANTI Theists not Atheists like Jason B (big difference!).
Trace back both of the above takes you to Theosphy which is funded by NWO Rockerfella, supports the NWO UN, supports Masons, gave us both the Arian thinking and the Swatstia. Paul J quotes this stuff word for word. They attack Xtianity/Judism and want to introduce the NWO religion of repacked Satanism which will be forced on everyones or they will die!
axis4peace 2 years ago
BIll Cooper - He is the most enduring of all truthers
Jason B - mr Loose change (atheist)
Mark Dice
Chris White/Keith Truth
Arron Ruso
I'm Jesus
Alex J etc
Guy who did the Ripple effect vid
Bottom line I will work with anyone in the truth movement as long as at least they respectively disagree with my Xtian views.
axis4peace 2 years ago
Peter Joseph. Unlike most controversial intellectuals out there, he seems to be starting a movement world wide.
HailRasec 2 years ago
Rollye James. She's up there too.
jpchronic420 2 years ago
Defenders of freedom in general. Alex Jones, Ron Paul, Aaron Russo, Ayn Rand, Chuck Baldwin, Murray Rothbard, Ludwig Von Mises. David Icke first got me listening to Alex Jones.
jpchronic420 2 years ago
whats the general consensus on david wilcock..... ?
SovereignBeing 2 years ago
Adam Carolla, once you get past all the dick/fart jokes, is actually one of the sanest and logical comics out there. Up there with Hicks/Carlin IMHO (although he really has no interest in politics)
utopianfoe 2 years ago
Bill Hicks, Jacque Fresco and George Carlin... Those are the ones who I trust 100%
The others, I just research what they say, and choose the things that have the most relevance and evidence.
But we all can see the core here... There's manipulation and corruption going on at a global scale and we have to stop cooperating with it...
Edasherium 2 years ago
bottom of the shit pile goes alex jones and david icke. I can barely even muster the interest to mention the latter. I can't believe anyone takes him seriously.
Maxwell, Tsarion, Icke, all liars.
digggininthedirt 2 years ago 10
jung
huxley
peterjoseph
icke
alex jones and not so much alex jones
gerald cellente
peter shciff
george carlin
doug stanhope
tgraham76 2 years ago
phil schneider, alex collier, mahatmas gandhi, youtube people like truthjockey, nufffsaid, etc.
i feel david icke is right about reptillians, but may be a shill.
alex jones is correct about government, not religion, he was definitly shill-esque with peter joseph.
ooh, jim tucker and freeman! good ones, im just discovering them now.
Ha! now im writting all these names down, bravo, truthjockey!
even the 100 monkey effect, i reference that once a day!
NewVenusUtopia 3 years ago
phil schnieder got me started on seceret military stuff and thenfound zeitgeist and kinda snoballed from there and recently looking into manly hall and older scholars philosiphers or what ever u wanna callen but u have interesting points keep it up may peace be upon u
tmouf02420 3 years ago
I'll steal from your list...Plato, Socrates, Joe Campbell & CG Jung, put 'em together and magic happens...= )
alchemistra 3 years ago
trust no one
camathes 3 years ago
great topic - I think that researching everyone out there while retaining the critical thinking you've been endowed with as you process their ideas and/or presentations is ideal. It is critical to listen to one's own consciousness while consulting those that share true love and unstanding
living0history 3 years ago
I think, the only truther you can trust is the very self. In these days there is no other informationsource really reliable, then our own personal feeling to the matter of question.
itsukutiusku 3 years ago
Is anyone else experiencing the censorship of the ADL. I posted this yesterday and has since vanished.
Original comment....
Maxwell and Tsarion are fairly ridiculous.
/watch?v=jwugLx2rSJY
/watch?v=s1QbSrNZQUQ
Symphonaic 3 years ago
Here's a clip where Alan Watt does the exact same "cutting off anyone who asks questions he doesn't want to answer" that Alex Jones does. He also implicates Michael Tsarion as a shill in this same clip.
watch?v=_qzKcGKTbaM
Symphonaic 3 years ago
why trust any of them? Why not research primary sources and history for yourself? I'll say this much. Jordan Maxwell is a flat out liar. To an unbelievable degree. There are several videos just type 'Debunking Jordan Maxwell'
evolve1985 3 years ago
Alan Watts? he is certainly disinfo!! The same hopeless trash pumped out since the sixties; everything and everyone is a liar/false/untrue, only trust me, trust Alan etc...
Psychology? Jung? His ilk? Much the cause of the self centred trash that passes for society today.
mtfury1968 3 years ago
the only truther you can truly trust is the honorable pastor james manning, phd.
mkkulture 3 years ago
just waking up - still wiping the sleep from my eyes! was first introduced to alex jones, sometimes hard to listen to. i will be checking out the names i see listed here, you guys have given me a hell of a list to research. thanks!
Mahat70 3 years ago
Leo Zagami, Micheal Tsarion, Dr. Bill Deagle. Even Eric Jon Phelps has some good research but he fails miserably when it comes down to the all important necesity of raising ones consciousness and he commits the unpardonable sin of accusing people like Alex Jones of being a false rebel. Typical born again christian, not open minded and way too trusting of king james version of reality. Amen Ra. Oh by the way the proof is in the pudding.
countdumas 3 years ago
Leo is a disinfo agent, otherwise he'd be dead. Michael Tsarion is works for the elite, and confuses the truth like Maxwell with exagerations or just flat out lies.
klinejf 3 years ago 2
Yea Maxwell and Tsarion are pretty rediculous.
watch?v=z21b4MTFFDc
watch?v=s1QbSrNZQUQ
Symphonaic 3 years ago 2
Chomsky.
slogandredge 3 years ago
@slogandredge pffft he wants carbon taxes.
deceiver123m 1 year ago
They pick on the freemasons, saying that 99% of them are great people and that the top 33 degrees are the evil "part" (even though it's a secretive club... (scapegoat)) So I guess when they do they are 99% wrong. I don't see the IDF opening childrens hospitals. I'm sure the burn victim patient children appreciate the reduced funds Alex has caused. I'm not a freemason, but I know some and they aint devil worshipping idiots like AJ
mutedmajority 3 years ago
Alex Jones is a bible thumping zionist.
David Icke is a class a NUT-BASKET!
I think those two are in place as plants to make truthers look like idiots to the masses.
Charles Manson is quite intelligent, he described Global warming perfectly in the early 80's. He's killed many fewer than Bush. They should trade places and give Chas the Nobel Peace prize.
You can not be "mainstream" and remain "mainstream" and be against Israel. How you gonna separate religion from this?
mutedmajority 3 years ago
just have to add a couple names:
David Icke is almost my favorite, but I have to say George Carlin is the best.
strutnoodle 3 years ago
Alexandre Dumas is my favorite relative truther. He only wrote 400 historical novels which always dealt with Satanism, Catholic church, Freemasonry,supernatural demonic entities posing as humans,diabolical aristocratic families. I say relative truthers because not everyone is fortunate and serious enough to consider what are the spiritual or holistic solutions. As Micheal Tsarion has stated he doesnt leave consciousness at the door. Born again christians always leave consciousness at the door.
countdumas 3 years ago
Richard Dawkins - He just began his work exposing the truth behind religion with God Delusion. Then he went on to make the films called 'Enemies of Reason' which delves into the 'spirital' practices that are out there such as tarot readings.
Peter Joseph - you know him.
Alex Jones - In limited doses, I like his stuff on Water Fluoridation.
Jason Bermas - 9/11: Loose Change (director/producer)
Carl Sagan - he may not be a "truther" but he does talk some interesting points on religion.
strutnoodle 3 years ago
i STILL HAVE NO IDEA WHO TOO,,,!!!!
STILL A BIG COMBO OF IT ALL TO ME AS IT ALLWAYS WAS FOR ME
thanks for askin da question that i was lucky enough to find..... Which "truthers" do YOU trust?
ffww34 3 years ago
Anyone that points the finger at the Zionists, Royalty, Corporate and Banking Elites, and Big Religion the real truthers.
As for shills I would have to throw in the names of Leo Zagami, and Alex Jones at certain times.
TheMackAce 3 years ago
In no real order...Alan Watt (for the real dirt on the NWO), Derren Brown (for NLP), Tom Waits (for lifelong inspiration), Spinoza (for a rudamentary understanding), Alex Jones (for information up to a point), Aron Russo (to cement my ideas), Georges Perec (for the highest of creative thinking), David Icke (up to a point), Manly P Hall (to understand the preisthood of the NWO) Stanly Kubrick (for being such a clever bastard about exposition)and Peter Joseph(for introducing me to Fresco)and more
elliflint 3 years ago
The 2nd time is still in progress David Wilcock "2012 DNA crop circles". With him I think it is difficult as his theories are consistent but in the end u have to choose, if u believe him or not.
the third and so far last time a youtuber blew my mind was "indogorevolution999"
To me improtant is:
information gives completely new insights
it underlines something I already knew
and most important is:
What do I feel about, what is said, as I believe we now the truth, but block it for varius reasons
itsukutiusku 3 years ago
Hello,
1. There are a lot of people telling things that I think are true.
2. There are people I feel saying true things.
But if the question comes to, what really helped me, true things and the truth is something very different.
I might say one and one makes two, wich is true, but it doesn´t help me understanding things on a higher level.
The first time the internet helped me change something was after I saw "esotheric agenda" or "talismanic idols" as I call it.
itsukutiusku 3 years ago
George Orwell foresaw the society we are approaching - "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." and "For a creative writer possession of the "truth" is less important than emotional sincerity."
FeverIAm 3 years ago
I notice huge effort to hide jewish / israeli blood stained hands. They use the likely scapegoats (secret clubs, or fictional entities)
Why can somebody say wipe France off the map on USA tv, but say that about Israel and Whoooo look out.
mutedmajority 3 years ago
I trust:
Michael Ruppert, David Ray Griffin, Jim Marrs, Steven Jones, Richard Gage, Lindsey Williams, Webster Tarpley,
And I think the following people are CounterIntelligence agents or just plain idiots: No Planers, Ace Baker, Judy Wood, John Hutchinson, Morgan Reynolds?, Mark Roberts,
Bi0hazardx 3 years ago
One more thing TJ. It's been a couple of off days here and my brain is really fried, so, my response is REALLY off. Please excuse me if the answers are not as they should be.
ancestralblue 3 years ago
Well that's a tough request. The list is long and the definitions would be too much to undertake here. But for at least short a list. It would be:
Hyemeyohsts Storm
Manly P. Hall
John J. Falone
Joseph Chilton Pearce
Ramtha
H.P. Blavatsky
John Hagelin
Micheal Tsarion
David Icke
ancestralblue 3 years ago
I know about Tsarion, Icke, Madam Blavatsky, & Manly...I never even heard of those other ppl - which of those would a ManlyHall/Jung/AlanWatts/Epicurus kind of guy like? Thanks for the input...did you pick up anything new watching The Black Sun...Manly's work only appeals to a few of us - I can explore his work ALL DAY LONG?! I honestly don't know who could've smarter than him...others were smart...none may've been smarter. Again, thanks!
TruthJockey 3 years ago
The black sun issue is one of familiarity as the swastika is emblematic of it and a common symbol among native folks and Buddhists. Going clockwise it represents the left polarity, Illuminati. Going counterclockwise, it represents, right polarity, Luminari. We are about to find the balance btween the two and the whole brain awakening. As for which one of those authors you might find interesting. Maybe Pearce ( The Biology of Transcendence). Or Falone( The Genius Frequency).
ancestralblue 3 years ago
My top 3- Ron Paul, Greg Palast, Aron Russo. But you might just say The internet in general! Its the internet that has woken most of us all up. We damn sure did'nt find the truth from television.
Dedhedted71 3 years ago
Ron Paul
anyusmoon1 3 years ago
George Orwell wrote "1984" and "coming up for air". Both books made me think and see the world differntly.
Peter J and his Zeitgeist movie were good but some of the stuff was questionable and needs more research.
Alex Jones seems to part of the "Misinformation" Orwell wrote about.
I don't trust him. It is hard to get at what is really the truth.
bocal701 3 years ago 3
Let's give a shout out to Al Huxley's BRAVE NEW WORLD hypothesis, too! Arthur Koestler's "Ghost In the Machine" seems to be unfolding before our eyes, too! Nice input, thanks for watching. Kip
TruthJockey 3 years ago
i can tell ya ..the deal ..of who what how..and why the "movement" is structured the way we are offered...i can deliver the take. just for beginners: alex jones is disinfo - MANY MORE - eric jon phelps isnt religious..like marrs - but most are either zionist/jesuit praddle dis/misinfo jawbreakers ...the movement is doomed as they planned..too-late - tesla technology will be usewd on us..most are a produced audience of activist which will be agnostic, atheist, alternative lives etc.i can go on
dubvishun 3 years ago
There are so many great minds that have influenced me in one way or another. Here are five greats that helped me to see the lies in things and to examine reality closer.
#1: Alan Watts
#2: Jordan Maxwell
#3: Peter Joseph
#4: Epicurus
#5: My philosophy teacher (Ross Barlow)
shortytwenty7 3 years ago
If Ross is on THAT list...he must be one smart cookie - NICE FREAKING LIST, shorty!
TruthJockey 3 years ago
On my list are peter joseph, ron paul, peter schiff and you are on my list truth jockey because I have many other like minded people specifically alan watts thanks to you.
gaia942 3 years ago
I'm uploading a Manly P Hall (tribute) video right now - it'll be the first in a series of 8 videos covering "the mysteries". I'm trying to get his word out there to the peeps - same as Alan Watts & others. Thanks so much for checking my vids out - it means a lot!
TruthJockey 3 years ago
#1 Alan Watt: the man keeps me grounded and has show me when I have taken a wrong path. #2 Peter Joseph: The first thing to wake me up. #3 Truthjockey! You have done a lot for me my brother. Your favorites have sent me in different areas I never considered. Your vid about your dog was amazing! #4: Bill hicks, strait up truth. #5 alex jones, if only for the speed at which he discovers new deceptions and gets the info out. I don't like him as a person, but respect his intention. 4:20! awesome man.
monkeyhead007 3 years ago
WOW... ;-) **blushing**
Alan Watt is awesome...my only beef with him is his propensity to color things in a science-fiction "mode"...I'm the least imaginative person on YouTube...it all sounds so "Star Trek & Far Out". That man knows predictive programming & NLP & subliminals better than most others. As far as Peter Joseph goes, I've really been impressed by issue ability to break down complex issues & his courage for tackling the 800-lb gorilla in the room - RELIGION! Thanks.
TruthJockey 3 years ago
Alex Jones, David Icke,Peter Joseph, They ALL spew a bunch of bullshit.
PoisonToothG 3 years ago
I really like those last two...but I'm feelin' ya on the AJ brand of mayhem & hype.
TruthJockey 3 years ago
Epicurus, Krishnamurti and Myron C. Fagan where early influences on me.
I like reading the old philosophers and trying to pick out the honest theorists from the corrupt conspirators. Machiavelli The Princes is describing the mentality of the elite ruling classes through time IMHO. That type of reading interests me.
I've posted a video response to the smoke screen series, it decodes much of the great conspiracy they have been following in their script, the bible.
PS I always liked RAW.
SlaveStorm 3 years ago
What is it about Epicurus...he lived over 2,300 years ago yet I quote him almost WEEKLY! On death, on happiness, that man had a "fix" for anything - he opined against the ills of advertisers back then, too!
I'll read more into Krishamurti & Fagan...thanks for the list! :-)
TruthJockey 3 years ago
MORE QUICK HITS: Do we have any R.A.W. fans in the mix? What about George Galloway...did anyone else notice he's softened his stance VS Zionism & the middle east situation...what gives? What about Hitchens warming up to the NeoCons (and Halliburton & Bechtel)...did that peeve you? I hear rumblings, from time to time, some folks say Jordan Maxwell is a disinfo agent...are you buying that? What about Eustice Mullins & those Ezra pound disciples...any opinions there? Any Lyndon Larouche fans?
TruthJockey 3 years ago
QUICK HITS: Give me something on Ben Friedman ppl...what about the Protocols of Zion...are you guys thumbs up or thumbs down on either of those?
What about Fritz Springmeier - are there no "Bloodlines" fans here today?
What about Lindsey Williams & the story of JONATHAN MAY? (is it true?)
What about John Todd or Leo Zagami? (were they telling the truth?)
Is Alan Watt a bit too sci-fi in his analysis of the big picture?
David Icke's Reptilians...what's your opinion?
TruthJockey 3 years ago
Fritz on the Bloodlines is right on the money! Jordan Maxwell says he stole the reaserch from him, whatever the case its good stuff!
KyleRayKeith 3 years ago
That's what I told my friend Henry in Cincy - exactly that...however the material got out there, I'm just glad it got out there. Sorry Jordan, we love ya bro.
TruthJockey 3 years ago
Bill Cooper and Alan Watts!!!
Hey Truth jockey what you think about the Freeman perspective?
KyleRayKeith 3 years ago
I listened to a show he did with Alex Ansary & really liked it...other times (before) he was always talking Anna Nicole Smith & that DIDN'T interest me, at all! He's one of those guys I'm gonna keep exploring. Speaking of exploring, I really dig Henrik Palmgren over at RedIce - he's my favorite interviewer. Henrik asks the questions I'd be asking & I can't believe he's also in a band...one of their songs was pretty good, too.
TruthJockey 3 years ago
Not to beat a dead horse but I would include Alex Jones but after a few critical comments on his channel about the peter joseph interview about how he preaches about no in-fighting and he's starting it. I was indeed booted off the channel? Is that freedom of speech or censoring!
KyleRayKeith 3 years ago
He's a hypocrite...that's plain enough to see!
TruthJockey 3 years ago
Someone reminded me about adding Peter Schiff to my list, has put this economy in perspective for me.
spainman2020 3 years ago
Let's toss Max Keiser & Jim Rogers on the (financial) radar screen too. Good pickup!
TruthJockey 3 years ago
I could list many, but most of them would be the same as everyone elses. Let me give you something a bit different.
Few years ago I would never had thought that an energy investment banker would be one of my idols, but Matthew Simmons is definitely one. A level headed intelligent person who has the facts straight.
slipcurve 3 years ago
I'll look for something on him later today...thanks! ;-)
TruthJockey 3 years ago
Alan Watts! (Not alan Watt)
vegrin 3 years ago
That guy is AWESOME...I think "The Middle Way" is my favorite AW stuff! Do you notice how most of the greats had one or two flaws...with Alan Watts, he wasn't necessarily a "family man" & he did have issues with booze towards the end of his life. (But who's perfect?) I'm reading one of his books this week, "The Way of Zen".
TruthJockey 3 years ago
There's a huge problem.... No one can just come out and say ..." Kill all the Rothschilds, Kill all the Windsors, and the Hapsburgs, and The Rockefellars "....I suppose if someone where to say that, then bad things would happen, the bad news is, that if someone doesn't say that, bad things are going to happen. What do ya do ?!
ShiekYerbooty 3 years ago
ShiekYerbooty
The reason no-one has come out and said that is because its the black and white world of people like Alex Jones. He paints everyone in aristocratic circles as the 'deadly elite' which is utter nonsense. Take Prince Charles for instance he is the number ONE opponent of GM and Nanotech foods in Britain and is a huge figure in the world in this regard. I agree certain people need taken out but try to be more discerning and get out of the AJ duality mindset.
thuddas 3 years ago
You've hit on a HUGE thing thuddas - that "duality" (of light & dark) is merely a projection of our own beliefs. People should really steer clear of projecting too much BLACK & WHITE into anything - ppl can get you "sucked up" (in the moment) with these kinds of distinctions. Great Point, brutha!
TruthJockey 3 years ago
Agreed, one can really loses their mind believing that EVERYBODY is in on the grand plan, ALL politicians, EVERYBODY w/ wealth (actors, musicians incl.), even some truth seekers get accused.
spainman2020 3 years ago
I suppose this was a response to my post. I'm kinda dense, so please explain exactly how what you posted relates to my comment ?
ShiekYerbooty 3 years ago
Wait, I think I get it....You feel that because Prince Charle's' PR department has set him up with a couple of " good " causes this somehow means that the world wouldn't be a better place if all the Windsors were to be eliminated. Wait...ok listen to what your saying....some Royal has voiced " good intentions "....Didn't the German Press tell you that Hitler had good intentions ? I agree, you need to stop thinking in terms of black and white, and start thinking in terms of liberty and control.
ShiekYerbooty 3 years ago
Ok shiekyerbooty, here your epitomising something I utterly detest in many 'truthers'.
Firstly I wasnt speaking of the entire house of Windsor, only one point of view of one member, so dont be stupid enough to take that so out of context.
Secondly, If satan himself rises from Hell and states in a loud voice that echoes over the land 'GM food is a huge disaster waiting to happen' and it gets in all the newspapers for everyone to see - is it necessarily a bad message?
Continued..
thuddas 3 years ago
Ive been friendly with people who have titles in their family, estates etc, and personally what I admire about them is if they dont like something hey get OFF their asses and change it, despite generally having no-where near these bankers attitudes in terms of domination.
For example - the only thing that stopped we British from having National ID cards forced on us was - THE HOUSE OF LORDS. Thats right, the landed elite actually stone-walled it...
thuddas 3 years ago
Do you know why this is? Its something that Alex Jones and his ilk cant grasp - their are powerful families in Britain who were well established before America was even discovered and who consider money made by business as 'petite Bourgeoisie' - upstarts without morals. Extremely wealthy people, which ive known, who still send sons to war with the 'plebs'. Start looking at the broader picture and stop being a simple fool, especially when calling for the deaths of people you dont understand.
thuddas 3 years ago
I think I see where you fall short. It doesn't matter whether they are conciously evil or not, the system has always been rigged by them and for them, there has never been a fair market for these " petite bourgeoisie " as you like to think of them. You see when people like Mark Cuban protect their wealth, they do a little insider trading. But when people like your beloved royals protect their wealth, laws get changed, people get assassinated, wars are started, and masses of people are oppressed.
ShiekYerbooty 3 years ago
You just have far too simple a thought process.
'My beloved royals'
Frankly friend im sick of this entire movement and the pinheads who constitute at least half of it. It simply HAS to be one or the other for you doesnt it? You cant see the full spectrum.
This is why you and so many others are fucked. Not because those who wish to rule you are all powerful, but because you dont check for real facts AND you cant see more than the 'us and them' control mechanism.
thuddas 3 years ago
@thuddas the powerful families that enslaved ireland and scottland? hahahaha, u sick elite butt kisser
deceiver123m 1 year ago
@thuddas lol shut up about britain, u have no guns. ur a slave as u sit there. more of a slave than a sex slave in the ukraine.
deceiver123m 1 year ago
fed protest november 22, hit em where it hurts make them live and suffer through it..didn't you get the email bulletin?
dellsprospects22 3 years ago