The road will bring more problems than it will solve. I have driven this gravel road numerous times ( rain & snow). It is fine the way it is. I have waited at the washes. If it is paved please make it 8 lanes wide with interstate light post every 300 yards.
Id like to know how many of you "do-gooders" have actually asked the people that were kicked out of the park when it was created if they would like a decent road to haul their water and make their trips to dialysis. Id like to see how many Subaru Outbacks make it down that road this time of year.
Seems like it should be up to the Park to determine how many people enter the park, not to punish the people that live there so white people can have a "Neat" ride to the park.
I totally agree. The Park itself should have the most say-so.
However, if you must use the 'race card' to win the battle, fine. But as a "white" person, I would like to see it won without using the 'race card' because to me it's not about race. It's about fairness and the preservation of natural and historic places. Chaco is one of the most special places in the world and should be kept primitive, period.
Also, if you can avoid the 'race card', really it's not about "white people", it's about people of all kinds that are out of touch with their natural state. They prefer the "neat ride" as you put it, instead of preservation of the spirit of the globe, Chaco being one of the most special. Wasteful people come in many forms and races. But this is, in part, a Native American issue as well as a fairness and ecology issue.
Thank you Jim,I agree that it is a fairness issue. It just seems that most people that have an opinion about the issue forget that people live there year around without running water or emergency response services. Ive heard of kids not graduating because they cant get to class and there is a mandatory minimum attendance policy. Ive heard of people dying because the emergency helicopter couldnt get there and the ambulance wouldnt go any farther than the Highway.
Chaco needs to be preserved. Here we go again planning to bulldoze into natural places and running over the Native Americans. Pavement will bring more problems than the red-herring of "accidents". There will be more "accidents" from more traffic and polution. It makes no sense to pave the road. The 'almighty dollar' is behind the scenes on this, count on it. Their "statistics" can be defeated easily with good lawyers and true statisticians with all issues and things considered.
Id like to know how many of you "do-gooders" have actually asked the people that were kicked out of the park when it was created if they would like a decent road to haul their water and make their trips to dialysis. Id like to see how many Subaru Outbacks make it down that road this time of year.
Seems like it should be up to the Park to determine how many people enter the park, not to punish the people that live there so white people can have a "Neat" ride to the park.
Chaco is one of the few places where you can roam free in an enviroment similar to that of the ancients. Road improvements will end that and turn it in to a Disneyland type fiasco like at Mesa Verde. Leave the road as it is!
20 miles of clay roads do help restrict access to just those who really want to see chaco, and who will respect it ... fewer casual visitors, which is not a bad thing.
The road will bring more problems than it will solve. I have driven this gravel road numerous times ( rain & snow). It is fine the way it is. I have waited at the washes. If it is paved please make it 8 lanes wide with interstate light post every 300 yards.
donccab 2 years ago
Id like to know how many of you "do-gooders" have actually asked the people that were kicked out of the park when it was created if they would like a decent road to haul their water and make their trips to dialysis. Id like to see how many Subaru Outbacks make it down that road this time of year.
Seems like it should be up to the Park to determine how many people enter the park, not to punish the people that live there so white people can have a "Neat" ride to the park.
mrfishernm 4 years ago
I totally agree. The Park itself should have the most say-so.
However, if you must use the 'race card' to win the battle, fine. But as a "white" person, I would like to see it won without using the 'race card' because to me it's not about race. It's about fairness and the preservation of natural and historic places. Chaco is one of the most special places in the world and should be kept primitive, period.
Good points otherwise! Thank you.
JimHaIpert41785 4 years ago
Also, if you can avoid the 'race card', really it's not about "white people", it's about people of all kinds that are out of touch with their natural state. They prefer the "neat ride" as you put it, instead of preservation of the spirit of the globe, Chaco being one of the most special. Wasteful people come in many forms and races. But this is, in part, a Native American issue as well as a fairness and ecology issue.
JimHaIpert41785 4 years ago
Thank you Jim,I agree that it is a fairness issue. It just seems that most people that have an opinion about the issue forget that people live there year around without running water or emergency response services. Ive heard of kids not graduating because they cant get to class and there is a mandatory minimum attendance policy. Ive heard of people dying because the emergency helicopter couldnt get there and the ambulance wouldnt go any farther than the Highway.
mrfishernm 4 years ago
The county gov pushing pavement is an outrage!
xxxplaystation 4 years ago
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goheavier 4 years ago
Chaco needs to be preserved. Here we go again planning to bulldoze into natural places and running over the Native Americans. Pavement will bring more problems than the red-herring of "accidents". There will be more "accidents" from more traffic and polution. It makes no sense to pave the road. The 'almighty dollar' is behind the scenes on this, count on it. Their "statistics" can be defeated easily with good lawyers and true statisticians with all issues and things considered.
goheavier 4 years ago
Id like to know how many of you "do-gooders" have actually asked the people that were kicked out of the park when it was created if they would like a decent road to haul their water and make their trips to dialysis. Id like to see how many Subaru Outbacks make it down that road this time of year.
Seems like it should be up to the Park to determine how many people enter the park, not to punish the people that live there so white people can have a "Neat" ride to the park.
mrfishernm 4 years ago
Chaco is one of the few places where you can roam free in an enviroment similar to that of the ancients. Road improvements will end that and turn it in to a Disneyland type fiasco like at Mesa Verde. Leave the road as it is!
buddyoakes 4 years ago
We're holding the line, vigilant and strong in standing Together and letting our Voice be heard.
chacoava 4 years ago
20 miles of clay roads do help restrict access to just those who really want to see chaco, and who will respect it ... fewer casual visitors, which is not a bad thing.
zendt66 4 years ago