Writer? He and his friend, who is accused of being a secret agent of CCP and counterfeit dissident/Christian, plagiarized others' arcticles and published them as their own without shame. The so called Charter 08 is also a copied version of Czech Havel's Charter 77.
@vectoor91 hey buddy sorry cos it seems i forgot to reply..i don't know how you got those 'facts' but i do hope that you can come to china and see what's really happening here cos media itself is always biased. i also believe in the creed of democracy, but it takes time. think about the wars in iraq, afghan, and libya. have they brought the light of democracy or just ignited the hatred? it is those arm dealers and politicians that have earned quite a sum. maybe democracy helps none others.
Be careful when dealing with anyone who believes that injustices, disparities, and disparages are not always been the roots cause of wars. I have seen videos who claim their race is superior to others. I have seen racist pro-white, pro-black and others like Nazis who deny the world war 2 holocaust and the 1915 genocide of Armenians by the Turkish nation. People who discriminate should be exposed hoping they can learn to end hate along with racism and bigotry.
I am surprised that American businesses and investors to include other nations, continue to make deals with the People's Republic of China. The consumers are also part of the problem. Democratic and Republican elected officials are the ones to blame. The fractured US Tea Parties only complain and do not offer to cooperate to find solutions to injustices, disparities, and disparages that has always been the roots causes of wars. Religions should provide peaceful guidance.
Organizations can distort the truth to hide the injustices of nations, business and their associations, law enforcement, the military, the intelligence and private security communities. They write to distract to ensure no-one will ask well formulated questions to find the truth. I tried legally exposing corruption and injustices - with no assistance from elected officials and the mainstream media including the New York and Los Angeles Times. Anyone can know my name - by clicking on airforcemax.
We revere our Nobel Prize winners...they put theirs in prison! They need to learn that Mao was one of the most evil men in history, responsible for the deaths of 90 million people (more than Hitler, Stalin & Pol Pot combined). Children in China are brainwashed into believing that this evil ogre was a national hero! They even have statues of Mao in public! Imagine a statue of Stalin in Moscow or Hitler in Berlin today?!
The evil PRC used to be able to burn books, they can't destroy the internet!
President Carter got the peace prize too. You know Obama was nominated for the Nobel Peace prize twelve days after taking office. Upon acceptance of winning it, Obama was praised by the committee, "extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy". . They also gave the peace prize to Yasser Arafat, the leader of the PLO, the best known terrorist organization on the globe. This is like giving it to David Duke, the former Grand Wizard of the KKK.
The "Nobel Prize" is tainted with too many bad decisions for it to be worth anything. I give kudos to Liu Xiabo dedicating it to the fallen at Tiomon Square. That was a blow to every idiot that received it.
I think there have been some pretty good nominees in the Nobel prizes for literature and the sciences. but awarding the Peace prize to mass murderers like Arafat and advocates of appeasement like Kim Dae Jung is completely shameful. At any rate, the Nobel Committee gained a lot more of my respect now that the CCP denounced them as "clowns"...if its bad enough for the Communists, its good enough for me :D
The human being of the country of Chinese oneself will watch trouble what kind of nervous system which thus the mother country thinks to be it which goes to the foreign country to escape there is as for the Chinese
when american invading iraq, where the fxxk are you guys?
when american indian are been squeeze to a tiny plot of land which is theirs after they have been genocide and almost wipe out by the colonist, where the fxxk are you?
when australia close it's door from immigrant because of race and nationality after they wipe out the aboriginals of australia, where the fxxk are you?
@595o So US govt financing makes his domestic political speech illegal under China's law, that's what. Same soverignty law exists in US as well (FARA).
Don't conflate legal rights of the state with your morality. Is Charter 08 laudable? That's debatable. I for one do not agree with it's proposal for "a new constitution".
Advocating abolition of China's constitution under foreign financing is violence against 1.3 billion people's right to sovereign independence.
I'm so sad! Continued pressure from China and without limit, disregarding life, everything and everybody (simple thing- remember - Google etc), points also our (world politics) submission to economic values above human rights and values) and our lack of action, either through the training of the mind and prayers or specific actions be "standing front of equality, freedom of expression and human rights (words in all our mouths) that includes the basis - respect of any life and culture!
Why would companies, who's only interest is making money, choose to pay their workers more?
Why doesn't China adopt a minimum wage that is equal to the Wests? If this would happen, China would be THE richest country, with the highest standard of living, without a wealth gap...
If this happened however, some very rich people would loose money, so instead they offer deals/stock options to CCP officials, who get corrupted by the money.
@jackrowet1234, 1st, those companies are not nationless, they belong to nations & protect by nations, it is the nations they belongs get much richer than the nations they invest, so Chinese workers' low wage in the end would beneffit the people of the West, isn't that a fact? Isn't that the reason the West would ever chasing after their companies? I would like to see that the US/West hold their companies with the same standards as they do in their own countries.
President Carter got the peace prize too. You know Obama was nominated for the Nobel Peace prize twelve days after taking office. Upon acceptance of winning it, Obama was praised by the committee, "extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy". . They also gave the peace prize to Yasser Arafat, the leader of the PLO, the best known terrorist organization on the globe. This is like giving it to David Duke, the former Grand Wizard of the KKK.
@Angellicationify Interesting that you didn't mention Kissinger, but apart from what you think about the Nobel Prize committee this shouldn't change your view on Liu Xiaobo, he is far from being a terrorist.
The problem with Chinese government is that they tried to make an example out of him when they should've done it the American way. Just make him disappear and make it look like an accident.
Any Chinese who are not supporting China democracy movement is not real Chinese. Chinese human rights and freedom are the basic rights for any human being. No need to drag other country into this discussion. China democracy is about Chinese human rights and freedom, no need to point your fingers to anywhere else.
@mickdowner2009, who give you the right to judge who is real Chinese or not? I don't prove democracy because people like you who only know how to BULLYing! You will turn our country to a ZOO! Democracy is backwards from civilization. I oppose human rights, coz it's baseless from any moral authentic teaching of human civilization. Human rights promotes selfishness, divide people into distrust among themselves. NO human rights for China, Period!
@sunmoonstargood. No need to ask me, just ask the 1.4 billion Chinese to tick yes or no if they want human rights and democracy. At least you are straight with your view. I have argued with some Chinese who insisted that Chinese already have human rights. Shame on those who don't want Chinese to live like normal human being, instead being slave to the commie.
@mickdowner2009, human rights are poisons for human mind, just as all human would like hear they can have a free lunch everyday. That doesn't count as human wisdom. Chinese people do live like normal human beings, as normal as their ancestors did, & as other human do in the world. What you should learn is, do NOT determine what "Normal" is for the world, you have NO right to do so.
@sunmoonstargood Wait, you just admitted that (human) rights are poison, yet you accuse others of infringing your "rights"("you have NO right to do so.)......You are a hypocrite, because what you just said contradicts itself.
CCP is a bunch of gangsters, who use your pride (ancestors, technological progress) and shame (opium wars, jap occupation) to manipulate you, and to see democracy/treating people nicely as "foreign influence"
@jackrowet1234, no, my right is not your human rights, your human rights don't include what I stand. also, my right come with responsibilities, not a god given right without any resposibilities. I don't play god going around to determine what people's Normal life is. CCP is the best the Chinese people can ever have in the past 170 years. Yes, democracy is forced opon by a nation who use worthless paper money to gain the wealth of the whole world for the past 40 years. That's foreign influence.
@sunmoonstargood. Now I find this sunmoonstargood guy is not going to reason with you or me. He is one of those brainwashed die-hard commie supporters. It would be a shame, if majority of Chinese had similar attitude like this piece of shit, I can see China is still long way off to democracy. I always say that what kind of people get what kind of government. Won't be long people like him will eat commie's shits very soon, for his own doing.
@mickdowner2009, yes, I am CCP gov. supporter & I am not alone. It is too bad for people like you that 99.999% Chinese people do not support your Western democracy/human rights garbages in our nation. Yours & Ours will not have any compromising in China, either you die or we die. I want everybody in the world to see that CCP gov. IS SUPPORTED by its people, we do NOT need vote to prove that. Chinese govs. in 5000 years never has to get vote to prove their legitamacy.
The Chinese people elect village councils and local Peoples Congress representatives. Each subsequent level of government is elected by the level immediately below it. This is similar to my own country the UK. We don't elect our Prime Minister. He or she is the leader of the political party (appointed by the members of that party) that has most MPs.
@redword2007, "This is similar to my own country the UK...", as long as CCP members dominate 99.99999999% of the candidates; as long as there is no general elections nation wide, only limited within villages/small locals; as long as the army only under CCP controls; as long as the elections is only treated as one of the choices to select officers, not mandatory for every local; I think I would agree to experiment.
@mickdowner2009, if others prefer Western democracy/human rights, they can have it, we Chinese people have no objection. You & your kinds can just move out of China to stay with those nations who promote these ideas. BUT, you can NOT impose your idea on us, you have NO right to do that.
@sunmoonstargood All people have a right not to have values and ideals shoved down their throats. The very system you are trying to protect is forcing itself on others who have no other choice. One could argue that "democracy" does the same thing but it is not violating human rights as the Chinese government is doing. We are simply trying to bring peace to the innocent.
@Doricc, no, it is the very system you are trying to promote is forcing itself on others, the one who invented this system would use gun to invade other countries to impose their system, their value upon others; they label anybody who disagrees with them as evils. If they could just open their nation borders & invite people like you in the world who share their value, and leave others alone, I would think that’s a more appropriate way.
@jackrowet1234, well, at least communism doesn't print worthless paper money to gain wealth from the whole world by force as democratic/free market system does.
@sunmoonstargood Chinas currency is manipulated into being low, by the "communist" party, so that the rest of the world can buy as much of China as they want. CCP sells your workforce to foreign companies, and sells your culture to foreign advertising. CCP is just as much apart of the game...government officials don't live in mud huts, do they?
@jackrowet1234, whether Chinese currency is low or high, it is still worth something, while US dollar is worthless since 1971 US disconnected its currency from gold. Whenever US want more money, it just prints more, CCP gov. never do that. Beside, US gov. is biggest manipulater of currency exchange rate,by doing that, US has wipe out many countries' wealth. CCP sells out our workforce? Why don't u democratic gov. demand u companies just pay Chinese workers the same salary as they pay Americans?
@sunmoonstargood Currencies are relative to each other. No countries are backed by gold, except Switzerland. CCP prints money as well, just like the US... You keep currency low by printing lots of it... its called inflation...ie. there is more Yuan than USD, so Chinese can buy LESS, and work for cheap, and still keep a very large economy.
China is an economic playground...come with money, set up factory, pay your workers in Yuan(peanuts); Get rich.
@jackrowet1234, while currencies are relateive to each other, Chinese currency is not world reserve currency, we can't buy oil using Yuan, but US dollar has been the world reserve currency after ww2 & it used to be backed by gold before 1971. For the past 40 yrs US has forced the world to buy oil with $ exclusively, that called "pattro dollar", to obtain this worthless paper money, everyone has to sell goods to US, the more countries need oil, the more they need $, & the more US print.....
@sunmoonstargood. So the Chinese homes can be bulldozed over at anytime by officials and home owners cannot refused such action, this is normal human being living? Chinese are being jailed because they come out to speak the truth. this is normal human being living? they eat poisonous milk, cooking oil recycled from the gutter, whiten poisonous rice, this is normal human being living? You should eat these stuff to have a taste of the real life of the ordinary Chinese.
@mickdowner2009, "So the Chinese homes can be......." if you determine to lay down in the bottom of a toilet & look up to see people' asshole, then the only thing you see is shit! Human body have other parts to for you to look at, & even your lover's asshole is full of shit too.
The 2nd reason I don’t prove democracy is that people really are fool themselves into thinking they are in charge. For ex. until 2000 Bush/Gore election, Americans, including the medias hadn’t known that the President of US isn’t elected by 1 pl 1 vote=the popular vote, but by “Electoral College” vote=a special small group of people. If the 2 votes are different, it is the Electoral Votes that counts.After 200 some years people even didn’t know the rule of the game, how could they be in charge?
@rekcufeht, The 3rd reason I don’t prove democracy is that it is not a transparent system, especially the process of how to select the politicians. Politic is a profession, as human society has developed so complex that it is impossible for an armature to run. Since no one are born politician, it has to be trained, studied & practice, just like any other professions. We know how a doctor gets trained from scratch-there are certain schools for prospective doctor-want-to=be to study.
@rekcufeht, @videofn, The candidates will take all kinds of tests, get monitored, have a chance to have residential practice, finally take a state license test-a series process of selection-every step if they fail, they would not allowed to take the next steps. In a democratic society, how a politician is trained from scratch? How do they get selected? If a person wants to be a politician, where should he go to get trained? What steps would he take? Whom should he know?
The reason I ask these questions is because I am from an ancient tradition that all politician have to be specially trained & pass special tests. The selective process is transparent & open to every Chinese. At present, if you ask every Chinese how to be a politician, he would tell you that you need to get in the CCP first, then do well on the tasks the CCP signed;there’d be someone to guide & monitor you, pass the tests along the way, step by step, from the bottom up, you claim the ladder.
However, in US, how politicians get trained & selected aren’t clear, in fact it seems like a secret, as everyone I’ve asked had no idea. It’s strange that people pay so many on Election; but never pay any attention on Selection; as if we pay attention on how to choose a doctor from many doctors, but we never bother to how & where the doctors get trained. How do we know that our doctors qualified to serve us? How do we know the doctors aren’t con-artists?
American voters not only don’t know how their candidates are selected/trained, neither do they know the selective procedure of the Electoral College members who can have the decisive power to override average voters’ vote. Those who pick politicians for people to vote must be in more powerful postitions than the politicians are; but WHO are they? When Obama was young man, who was the 1st person who picked & trained him? In China we know all of that, which means we know who are responsible.
If the selected procedures aren’t clear or transparent to voters, then, it is very possible for some private entities or special interests groups to pick several individuals as candidates to serve their best interests instead the general voters; as a result, no matter who finally win the election, no matter what the winner promises before he gets elected, when he is in gov. he would first to take care the best interest of those who Selected him instead those who Elected him.
Because the US voters’ lack of the knowledge of how the democracy games are really played, I don’t think they are actually in charge of the nation; but they are manipulated into thinking that they are in charge. Maybe Chinese gov. isn’t the best in the world & Chinese people are not in charge our nation, at least we know the truth; we know who are in charge & we can hold them responsible. If China becomes democratic, I am afraid Chinese people will be fooled the same way as Americans.
@rekcufeht, @videofn，let me share with you another information which clearly tells how US got rich. In 1900, 8 Western nations including US invaded China. They broken our house, killed our men, raped our women & robed tens of thousands priceless treasure from our palace. Why??? In a speech by Chauncey M. Depew, New York Senator and high political and financial power of his day, in seconding the nomination o f Theodore Roosevelt of the Vice-Presidency of the United States
at the Republican National Convention of 1900, when he stated in part: “What is the tendency of the future? Why this war in South Africa? Why this hammering at the gated of Peking? Why this marching of troops from Asia to Africa? Why these parades of people from other empires to other lands? It is because the surplus productions of the civilized countries of modern times are greater than civilization can consume. It is because this overproduction goes back to stagnation and poverty.
The American people now produce 2000 million$’ worth more than we can consume, and we have met the emergency; and by the valor of Roosevelt and his associates, we have our market in the Philippines, and we stand in the presence of 800 millions of people, with the Pacific as an American lake... ”
According to the information below, we can clearly see that American workers worked very hard, they were very productive, but that didn’t make them rich, actually that made them very poor, because unless someone were willing to buy their over-produced goods, they would get nothing. So, their gov. gave them a helping hand by waging war on innocent Chinese, buy killing, robbing, raping, with Chinese’s tear, blood & flesh, American works goods got sold, now they got rich.
I think that It is important to see HOW their get their freedom & wealth, not just they HAVE them. If a man, whenever he needs money, he would rob his neighbors, yes he has a decent life, but that’s not an honest way to make a living.
I mention US’s dark past not because I couldn’t forgive, it is because the US still does the same tricks. In US’s medias, including textbooks, whenever mentioning the history of US major internal conflicts/problems, they always give the reader the impression that all these conflicts were resolved “Internally”, whether by civil war or strike, or demonstration on the street, etc.. In fact, it is far from the truth. Every single US major internal conflict was resolve “Externally”.
For example: politically conflicts such as the Civil War were heavily influenced by Russian; the Independent War could not be won without France’s support. Economically, whenever US has internal conflicts, it would transfer its problems to other people, e.g. when the rich white man got too many land, they enslave the black to work for them; after the Independent when the poor white needed the land promised by the rich white, it was the Native who paid the price;
when US worker had over-production, it was China whose door was kicked broken, after that US could afforded to establish its public Ed; when there was the Great Depression, it was the WW2 simulate the economy, as a consequence US became the #1 economy; when the black asked for equal pay & equal opportunity led by M.L King, what did the US do? US disconnected its gold with the $, the $ become worthless paper, & by using these paper, US got the free goods & the black got their desired jobs.
US has since 1971 put the whole world at its gunpoint to force everybody to trade oil with $ exclusively. Because oil is a necessity commodity for any country who want to be industrialized while US wouldn’t give its paper $ for free, so everyone has to sell their goods to US to obtain these paper $ to buy oil. When those $ reach oil rich countries, US asks these countries to invest the $ back to US, & then magically making these $ as loans to lend to poor countries for interests!
If you Google US GDP history from 1950-2010, you can see there is a hike starting at the beginning of 1970s. For almost 40 yrs, US are getting richer & richer by print paper money. Getting wealth out of nothing-very clever, yet a dishonest way of making a living. Not the oil itself, but the oil money or called petro dollar is really at the center of what is happening in the Middle East. Besides the oil money, there are 2 other ways US would use to obtain other countries’ wealth.
@rekcufeht, @videofn, 1 of the other 2 ways is that US moves its low end industries to China & other developing countries, use their resources & cheap labors, buy their good with the paper money; then instead of letting them buying US goods, US forces them lend the $ back to US: buying US gov. bones & invested in US banks, etc. Next, US would play game with the exchange rate; after a few ups & downs, the value of other counties’ money get shrink, these countries would end up with peanuts.
Beside oil & Exchange rate, the 3rd way US obtains other’s money is to make economic bubbles, usually in stock & housing markets. Before the bubbles start, US’d ask the perspective country to open its currency market, so foreign currency can be exchanged freely; when bubbles start bursting, US’d asked that country’s gov. no intervention-”you should let the market decide & run its course.” Then, US quickly get its profit & exchange them to $ before that country’s economy collapsed.
Many countries’ wealth were wiped out by US’s bubble tricks; include Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, Japan, Russia, S. Korea, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, & Pilipino. Of course, the whole world saw what the US gov. did in 2007-8 when its own housing bubbles burst--immediate gov. intervention, opposite what it had been preaching to the world. US has totally lost of its credibility not only on economy issues, but also in political spheres. Why should the world adapt US democracy as a role model?
@rekcufeht, @videofn, CCP China now is still MaoZeDong’s legacy; Mao has said:”To capture a regime one needs 2 weapons, 1 is Gun, the other is Pen”. CCP knows very well how to use pen as a weapon, coz it is a Master. Now the West is trying to paint an innocent picture of using pen, it is laughable.
@a900104, Nobel is not the World,nor is the West; and China represent 20% of world humanity.One great China man told his country men:"Keep walk to own goal, and let others say whatever they want to say.走自己的路，让别人说去吧。“ There is a law of the universe called "Action and Reaction". Any action will cause an reaction back with equal force. I plea to Norway people, tell you gov., do not lend your nation's status to Nobel P. No king, no foreign diplomats. Otherwise there will be a reaction/consequence.
Both norway people and the gov. state that Nobel P. is a private party and does not represent them,then it should be presented this way. Now, it is presented to the world as a nation’s representive--the Head of the state, invitation to all the nation’s diplomats. Do any other private parties in the world can have a king and all the nation’s diplomats show up at their parties? Please pass words around in you nation, strive for honoresty, let Nobel P. be what it really is, not help it pretending.
To support dissident overthrow a sovereign nation’s gov.is a serious business. A man who wants peace will not abet the wife of a neighbor to leave her husband. It is for Norway people's own good not letting Nobel P. completely get out of the hand. If Norwagain letting an unqualified private entity to pretend to be a representative of your nation by giving it the nation’s status, thinking you can just sit & enjoy the fame it brings, you are making a mistake. There will be consequences/reactions
@a900104, "we both think Liu shouldn't be in the jail"? Why not? Only when he is in jail qualify him for the Nobel P. See the Timothy Cheek video on the right side of this page. It is neccessary for the show.
@harmonyordie,"fucked with their governments"? So the you elect Democracy gov. is for you to fuck? Aren't those who is in gov. human beings too? Should they be treated with respect just as all of us what to be treated?
Don't believe lies from CCP & 50 Cent Party. Chinese, Tibetans, & Uighurs want human rights & democracy. We don't want to be imprisoned & tortured. We want freedom from CCP tyranny. CCP are the oppressors in China, Tibet & Xinjiang.
@AlternityGM, you can get out of China for your human rights, you have the right to do that if you are not happy, no one holds you back. China perfectly can do without you. We Han just want the land rights and water resource rights. Human rights do not to have land and water resources to be satisfied. Isn't that right?
@595o, you must not from China, FYI, it is very easy to get out of China, it is hard to be accepted by other country. Another FYI, we Han people never racially discriminate others. We do not have the culture to call someone dog just becuase of his/her race or ethinisity, we are civilized people.
The same Western political types who were happy as pigs in slop during China's darkest days of communism are now endlessly whining as China moves toward a market-based economy.
Nobel is now run by spoiled rich blond brats who hand prizes to communist-backed racists like Nelson Mandela, and junk science proselytizers like Albert Arnold Gore Jr., so the Nobel Prize is now just a dunce cap.
Freedom for Tibet and the Tibetan people! Tibet has never been, is not, and never will be a part of China. China is illegally occupying the independent nation of Tibet!
@sunmoonstargood Wow, you're one step away from calling for the genocide of the Tibetan people. Now we know what you Han Chinese really want. You want to steal the land of the Tibetan people and the best way to do it will be by forcing the Tibetan people to become refugees in other countries. Wow, your comment speaks volumes about the real agenda of the People's Republic of China. It's also clear to me that the 50 Cent Party is alive and well on YouTube, with trolls like you on here.
@beatlesfab1, yes, the real agenda is someone in Tibet want to sell their land to the West, in turn to harm China. Yes, the issue is about land, you know that as well as I do. Land is more important than human, coz it the pre-requesto of human to live on. It is the equiviland of life. Every religion tell us that there is land FIRST before there is human, so put land before human is a rational choice. I told people in Taiwan the same message. As human everyone can go anywhere they want to.
@sunmoonstargood More 50 Cent Party nonsense. Nobody in the West wants the land in Tibet. That land is the home of the Tibetan people. But you're such a hypocrite being upset with the West about allegedly wanting the land in Tibet, when the Chinese invaded Tibet and stole the land from the Tibetan people. Is your brain failing to comprehend the obvious contradiction here????
@beatlesfab1, do you have any idea how the West get their lands?, for one thing, they can ask the people on the desired land to be indepandent, then, they will take the newly independented land, that's what happened in Mexicao. If the land is in far away place, West also promote independent, and then they can control the newly independented people, angainist one another. We never interested your land until in 20th century you started back up by the West to harm China.
@beatlesfab1, half truth is no truth, Tibetan is free to go as well as Free to Stay, If you stay, you will be treated equally as everyone else. Anything wrong with that?
@sunmoonstargood Treated equally as everyone else? You mean, being beaten and tortured, deprived of the rights to freedom speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of religion, etc. OK, I see what you mean. As it stands now, Tibetans are being discouraged not to speak their own language as the Chinese want them to speak Mandarin. So nobody believes your 50 Cent Party nonsense.
@beatlesfab1, Ok, then go some place where you feel comfortable. Go some place where slavery, racial discrimination, ethnic cleancing, genocide (both culture and physically) never happened. Isn't that wonderful? However, if you side with parties who have a trail of record of committing those Crime Againist Humanity, then you deserve what you are saying you have in China.
@beatlesfab1, the West has do enormouse harm to the rest of the world for the past 500 hundreds years. China was not alone. You are accusing Han Chinese did this, doing that while siding with the West who have been doing a lot longer and many more than harm than Han Chinese tell us that you are ill motivated. Why you need to harm Han Chinese before you can live happyly ever after? It is the Han Chinese bring civilization to Tibetan, do you ever know to say "thank you"?
@sunmoonstargood This discussion has nothing to do with the West so don't bring the West into this. This discussion does have everything to do with China's ILLEGAL occupation of the independent nation of Tibet! Nobody asked for the Han Chinese to bring "civilization" to Tibet. In fact, the Han Chinese did not bring civilization to Tibet. Instead they brought many tears and sorrow to the Tibetan people. The Tibetan people don't want you Han Chinese there. How about that, 50 Cent Party man?
@beatlesfab1, of course this discussion have everything to do with the West, they are the ones running the show, aren't they? ILLEGAL? whose law are your talking about? Han people brought Buddist, the knowledge of architectures and many craftmanship. Also it was your king made the initial move to ask the marriage from the Han emporer. If you have that much tear and sorrow, why do you leave, find some place else to get you human right fed? To have human right do not need land right.
@beatlesfab1,brother, Dali Lama agrees with me, he admitted it in US tv. It was the Princess WenCheng brought Buddist in to Tibet first, then, Tibetan liked it so much and decided to learn directly from India; as a consequence, Tibet developed its own written language. The ones who leave Tibet will be Tibetans who want human rights which do not a piece of land to be satisfied. it regards HUMAN only. We Han people need land, not human rights.
@beatlesfab1, you still use the word"illegall", there is no Chinese law prohibiting Chinese army going into its own territary, so you are following whatever laws of the West, THAT is the problems. You have NO right to side with those who harms China, just because you happened to live in Tibet first. NO right, do you hear me? Tibet land is where 80% of Asia water resourse come from. People who occupy this land need to have an extrem sense of responsible attitude toward humanity. You haven't!
@beatlesfab1, The brother of DaliLama once said:Tibet is the water soures of many major river in Asia,and not before long the price of water will higher than the price of oil......The Bush jr.iography movie "W" showed a scene that there was a big map showing all the important nature resources in the world, Tibet was on it. It stated that if US gains controll of the resources, US will control the world. So, that's is all about. You think we don't know that? You get out for you human rights, out!
Dear netizens! Please don't reply to any comments posted by the '50 cent party'( u can google it if u don't know what it means),coz u will help them earn more money if u do so.Just express your own views by posting your comments,but don't reply them.
@rekcufeht, there are 75ml CCP mebers, 5% of Chinese population, 1 in every 20. There are 50ml oversea Chinese. Are these 50ml part of that 75ml, or in addition to that? Do you know what you are talking about?
Im sorry, let me make that clearer to you. the people i refer to are those chinese from china who are currently residing overseas and have been brainwashed by their government.
there is a distinct difference between overseas chinese and chinese from china living overseas. Overseas chinese are ethnic chinese but not chinese nationals.
@rekcufeht,"chinese from china who are currently residing overseas and have been brainwashed by their government", why not clearned up by the West? Since the Chinese gov has no influence overseas, it can do nothing about it if those overseas Chinese decide to be let their brain cleaned up by the West? I do not understand the relationship between nationals and brainwash
the fact is that propaganda from maoist china has been inseminated since young in chinese nationals. if you have any knowledge of psychology, you would understand that once a conception, an idea or perspective has been established it is hard to break regardless of what its nature is. so you cannot just choose to dispose of it. this is called conditioning. just because you live overseas does not mean that your conception of something will change. that is the relation.
@rekcufeht, in psychology, the term "conditioning" means an reflection by association. e.g if you feed a dog while ring a bell, dog will be mouth watering when it sees the food; but because you associated the bell ringing with the food, later,when hearing the bell ring, dog will still be mouth watering even without the food. People experience contr camp were shaking whenever they hear Beethoven symphony, because Nazi played the music while killing. I don't see the connection to Chinese abroad.
@rekcufe ht,the conditioning I was talking in before refer to classical conditioning,if you are talking about operant conditioning,which is reaction to postive or negative stimulus, it still does not make sense to me. Because, any conditioning is the reaction to the evironment.It is a learned behavior,and always can be unconditioninged if the environment changes.Every oversea Chinese from mainland China has an open mind, they want to see something different,otherwise, they would have stay home.
@rekcufe, You don’t know how strong wills Chinese have had to learn from others. 1300 years ago, during Tang Dyn. when China at her historically prime ,monk XuanZhuang 玄奘walked to India to have further research of Buddhism. It took him 19 years total; he almost lost his life. China now is the largest “English speaking” country, for there are 400ml people learning/speaking English. Almost any new book published in US, 1-3 month later there would be a Chinese translation copy.
@rekcufe, Recently years,3 girls & 3 boys came to LA for college, they were from the same cities in China, so their parents formed a support group. They were very comfortable, eat Chine food, speaking Chinese. After 1 year, the parents ordered them to go to US inland, “Go to see real US &Americans”, so they transfer to a small college in almost all white small town in Missouri, they were the largest minority there. The parent want them really get to know all about US.
@videofn & rekcufe,I saw 08 when it first came out and I understand what these signers' talking about, for I was a 64 supporter myself. I change my mind now, coz I find out that the ideas of Freedom, Human rights and Democracy are either baseless, or flawed theories. Let me explain.
Let’s look at Human rights. If human rights are regarded as universal morality, then we need to check 3 believe systems that human have been used to guide their morality/behavior: religion-Bible, Quran, Buddha Sutra, Hindu Sanskrit; classical philosophy:Confucian,Lao-tzu,Aristotle,Socrates; and science for atheist. Do any of these systems say we human have this innate right without responsibility? NO.They only recognize we human have born NEEDS. So the morality of human rights claim is baseless.
The theory of Democracy is basically for the people to limit, check & balance the evil power of their gov. because human nature is sinful. But, what about the people’s sinfulness? You know, people can be just as evil & greedy as the gov. Ancient Rome Republic was destroyed by its own people. If we recognize that all human are Equally sinful regardless social status, then people's power also need to be limited, checked &balanced, but by WHO? The theory doesn’t make sense to me.
As for democracy, I don’t prove it for several reasons:#1, it is a violent sys. In 236 years, 16 US presidents got shot at, once every 15 years averagely and 6 of them were dead. Why do people shot a president elected by themselves? Why can’t people just wait a few more years until the next election? Also, the civil war, why couldn’t people in a democratic society TALK through their differences? In China we say “Gentlemen use their mouth, not their hand/君子动口不动手”. Civil, is it too much to ask?
Not only in US, but also worldwide violence in many countries who adopt democracy: India killed 3 their heads of the state; Taiwan 10 years into their democracy, the sitting president got shot, and this year 1 person who was the son of a high politician got shot while helping the election; the senators in Japan, S.Korea, Taiwan and Ukraine had physical fights like dogs; when they speak, including those of US, they use dirty words as if they were never educated. Where is civilization???
Democracy also promotes mistrust between fellow countrymen and people & their gov. It encourages people treat their gov. like piece of shit. When I saw American spit on US senators, French people poured paint to their official, I was feeling sick to my stomach. It “s not fair! gov. run by human, which should be treated with respect, just as everyone else. Some may view these violence as normal, but thet are totally unacceptable to me. NO violence, Be Civil, period!!
All gov. have good & bad sides. When evaluate gov. it is more advisable to see the upper limit of the good side & lower limits of the bad side, compare it to other govs. then ask “Comparing with the alternatives, how bad this gov.can be, better, same or worse? Ask the same question for the good side. If people think their gov. can be as bad as other gov. but can be much better on the good side, then, it is a good one.
That is what exactly is happing in China,people may have dissatisfaction with the gov. but when come to the best interests of Chinese people, they know no other govs in the world can do better as CCP gov. When China had big earthquake in 2008, whom could Chinese people count on to save them? Norway gov. or US gov.? Look what US gov. capable of doing in helping Haiti. I am depressed. BTW, Haiti is a democratic country, self-gov. What do u guys think of its performance at the time of disaster?
If encountering danger, CCP is still the only one who can order its members:”CCP members step out!”, those members would die before people. Can anyone alse in the world, govs & religions alike, single out their members to die for Chinese people? When China had a big food, CCP members were the ones in the frontline, and died in high numbers. I read there’s an official stayed in a village to help famers, for 3 years he did not see his family, he died prematurely with a heart attract.
Comparing with the high limit of good side,I never see in a democratic society elected officials would serve people till they die, as CCP members do. All CCP members swear they’d give up their life for Chinese people when join the party, so we can ask them for that. We know we can’t ask anyone else for the same thing.Choosing gov. is about trade-offs, give & take, if I give up this, what else I would get. If some people prefer violent democracy, they can have it, but don’t push it on others.
@rekcufeht,"chinese from china who are currently residing overseas and have been brainwashed by their government", why not clearned up by the West? Since the Chinese gov has no influence overseas, it can do nothing about it if those overseas Chinese decide to be let their brain cleaned up by the West? I do not understand the relationship between nationals and brainwash
if china was really practicing communism, that would not be a problem.Marx's idea of communism was of a noble utopia. but china practiced maoism and now seems like a authoritative society. anyway, that's beside the point. when i described them as from communist china living overseas i intended to mean chinese nationals living overseas. It seemed easier to distinguish as some people from china that i have talked to seemed to have difficulty understanding the term overseas chinese.
@rekcufeht Communism is authoritative. But China is an odd-ball case. I agree that it practiced Maosism, but that died down after Deng Xiaoping took over. And now it's become more of a socialist state that worships market economy. It's unfortunate that human rights is a issue, but it's an issue everywhere. Yeah i know some Chinese nationals, and they are not for or against communism. Most of them are very neutral.
it is true that some do not really care about the idea of communism anymore. however, they are still very touchy when it comes to certain topics like tibet, tiananmen square etc. the fact is that the government disemination of propaganda has had a huge effect on the people's mind sets. im sorry if there was confusion. but i think the main issue i was trying to get at was the influence of the government on the way the people think even after they have left the country.
@rekcufeht I think the misunderstanding is that when you criticize China you tend to confuse the government with individual chinese. that's why some people are upset about your comments. But debate is much better than just protest in my opinion.
@Fergus3232,There are 50Ml oversea Chinese,10times Norway population. Once while visiting US,the Secretary of Ed.Dept. of China asked oversea Chinese to help China by 1)tell China immediately if we find something good;2)explain/introduce China to locals;3)warn/remind China if we see potential danger to China. So, please do not underestimate our love for China, we will do it for free, or even have to pay out of our own pockets.
I think that post by sunmoonstargod serves as a good example of showing how blind the people can be towards their own country. i dont think this is how one shows love for ones country. but more like how one shows blind love for the government and all the crimes it has committed. the government is not the country and should not be treated like one. the purpose of a government is to serve the people not be worshiped by it but propaganda and brain washing has resulted in worship.
@rekcufeht, in China's experience and history plus the geo political location, nation, gov. and the people ARE ONE. It is a trinity=3 in 1. Who has the right to say we can't or should't? If we want to worship our nation, isn't that within our Rignt to do so? Gov. serives people, ok, we want it serves us by been authority, that what we want them for, not slave, not animal in a cage. I don't like slave or animal in cages to run my country, I don't need that.
@rekcufeht, some people are extremly judgmental, they make worship to one's own country sounds like a crime (that doesn't mean I woriship); and acception of the unit of gov.& nation as imoral. Whenever they see Chinese people dissagrees with them, their first reaction would be:"You don't know what you are talking, you are helplessly brainwashed, you are blind, I know better than you do". They are so pre-occupied that they even do not know how to listen. This is a sign of arrogant.
@rekcufeht@videofn,in 08 the people in the panda base were isolated by the earthquake, they had live with pandas & surrounded by high mountains. They gathered all the food & water, divided food & water in 5 for the next 5 day’s surviving, coz they had the confident in CCP gov. that within 5 days, they would be rescued. 3 days later, they saw the 1st helicopter bringing water. Do Americans have the same confidence in their gov. ? Do anyone in the world have the same confident in their govs.?
@rekcufeht@videofn,if you are in the midz of earthqk disaster, I can assure you that your citizen's basic right is the last thing on your mind. You-the master, now at the mercy of your servant=your gov., whom you can spit on, curse, slam, beat & kill at will, an animal you have put in a cage. What does make you think that gov. will rescue you, even willing to risk their life? Can you shout out to your gov.:” You must save me, because I voted for you & I have the right to be rescued” ?
@rekcufeht , democracy was designed when one at his heydays, it works well during the BEST days when everything goes to one’s advantage. To the opposite, Chinese design their gov. for the WORSE day, they want to make sure they can survive/ride through the darkest days when all things goes against them. When Chinese are in disaster situations, natural or human alike, whom can they count on? The West haven’t put 1 once of commitment to the welfare of Chinese, why should Chinese listen to them?
Before everyone keeps continuing blabbering about who's right and who's wrong, I want to point out that people who have not been to china have no rights to post comments at all! Your comments will be biased and based on poorly misguided judgements of the American media! Totally shameful.
Dear netizens! Please google "US cent party" and u will be able to find out why Fergus3232 has nothing to say about the fact Liu Xiaobo took a million dollars from Uncle Sam.
No one pays me to comment, Fergus if you have proof let's see it!
@bobbyfletcher2006 Even if he has, so what? The US is pragmatism in person, they do such things, this does not make the text of Charta 08 any less laudable.
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Writer? He and his friend, who is accused of being a secret agent of CCP and counterfeit dissident/Christian, plagiarized others' arcticles and published them as their own without shame. The so called Charter 08 is also a copied version of Czech Havel's Charter 77.
jow5588 4 weeks ago
Nobel Peace my ass. Nobel Peace Prize has been utter and complete BULLSHIT these days.
IRAQ
AFGHANISTAN
LIBYA
YEMEN
PAKISTAN
SOMALIA
USA invaded, massacred and raped hundreds of thousands of terrorized, innocent women and children.
Obama receives Nobel Peace Prize.
What the fuck is wrong with this world?
kornypony 1 month ago
@vectoor91 hey buddy sorry cos it seems i forgot to reply..i don't know how you got those 'facts' but i do hope that you can come to china and see what's really happening here cos media itself is always biased. i also believe in the creed of democracy, but it takes time. think about the wars in iraq, afghan, and libya. have they brought the light of democracy or just ignited the hatred? it is those arm dealers and politicians that have earned quite a sum. maybe democracy helps none others.
nickchenyj 1 month ago
Free Dr. Liu Xiaobo......From Canada..
burnit01 2 months ago
Chinese government must release Dr. Liu Xiaobo, a winner of the Nobel peace prize!
saiun2202 3 months ago
Be careful when dealing with anyone who believes that injustices, disparities, and disparages are not always been the roots cause of wars. I have seen videos who claim their race is superior to others. I have seen racist pro-white, pro-black and others like Nazis who deny the world war 2 holocaust and the 1915 genocide of Armenians by the Turkish nation. People who discriminate should be exposed hoping they can learn to end hate along with racism and bigotry.
airforcemax 6 months ago
I am surprised that American businesses and investors to include other nations, continue to make deals with the People's Republic of China. The consumers are also part of the problem. Democratic and Republican elected officials are the ones to blame. The fractured US Tea Parties only complain and do not offer to cooperate to find solutions to injustices, disparities, and disparages that has always been the roots causes of wars. Religions should provide peaceful guidance.
airforcemax 6 months ago
Organizations can distort the truth to hide the injustices of nations, business and their associations, law enforcement, the military, the intelligence and private security communities. They write to distract to ensure no-one will ask well formulated questions to find the truth. I tried legally exposing corruption and injustices - with no assistance from elected officials and the mainstream media including the New York and Los Angeles Times. Anyone can know my name - by clicking on airforcemax.
airforcemax 6 months ago
I think Liu Xiaobo's supporters are all from Hong Kong. People in mainland China don't even get a chance to know who he is.
minosknossos 7 months ago
We revere our Nobel Prize winners...they put theirs in prison! They need to learn that Mao was one of the most evil men in history, responsible for the deaths of 90 million people (more than Hitler, Stalin & Pol Pot combined). Children in China are brainwashed into believing that this evil ogre was a national hero! They even have statues of Mao in public! Imagine a statue of Stalin in Moscow or Hitler in Berlin today?!
The evil PRC used to be able to burn books, they can't destroy the internet!
TenStoryLoveSong 8 months ago
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lol
the dalai lama, a cruel theocrat won the nobel prize LOL
WavesOfTrolls 9 months ago
fu*king human right! Chinese human right is not worse than America.
Kevinzhou515 11 months ago
@Kevinzhou515
Really!!! ,,,, Is there a new one child policy in USA that I am unaware of??!!!
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President Carter got the peace prize too. You know Obama was nominated for the Nobel Peace prize twelve days after taking office. Upon acceptance of winning it, Obama was praised by the committee, "extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy". . They also gave the peace prize to Yasser Arafat, the leader of the PLO, the best known terrorist organization on the globe. This is like giving it to David Duke, the former Grand Wizard of the KKK.
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Allen West 2012
Gracelandification 11 months ago
@Gracelandification
At least this year the Nobel Committe made a much better decision...Liu Xiabo is a hero to freedom loving people everywhere
TheTollundWoman 10 months ago
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The "Nobel Prize" is tainted with too many bad decisions for it to be worth anything. I give kudos to Liu Xiabo dedicating it to the fallen at Tiomon Square. That was a blow to every idiot that received it.
Gracelandification 10 months ago
@Gracelandification
I think there have been some pretty good nominees in the Nobel prizes for literature and the sciences. but awarding the Peace prize to mass murderers like Arafat and advocates of appeasement like Kim Dae Jung is completely shameful. At any rate, the Nobel Committee gained a lot more of my respect now that the CCP denounced them as "clowns"...if its bad enough for the Communists, its good enough for me :D
TheTollundWoman 10 months ago
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The human being of the country of Chinese oneself will watch trouble what kind of nervous system which thus the mother country thinks to be it which goes to the foreign country to escape there is as for the Chinese
jikuyyt 1 year ago
human right watch, yeah right....
when american invading iraq, where the fxxk are you guys?
when american indian are been squeeze to a tiny plot of land which is theirs after they have been genocide and almost wipe out by the colonist, where the fxxk are you?
when australia close it's door from immigrant because of race and nationality after they wipe out the aboriginals of australia, where the fxxk are you?
jojoinhere 1 year ago
@jojoinhere What's your point? Everyone knows they are a puppet.
WarmongerWW3 1 year ago 2
@WarmongerWW3 could not agree man warmonger you rock it
JJJJJJJ15 1 year ago
haha yeah i hats winter… but it is an excuse to get down with my boyfriend!
SexyChck7821 1 year ago
@595o So US govt financing makes his domestic political speech illegal under China's law, that's what. Same soverignty law exists in US as well (FARA).
Don't conflate legal rights of the state with your morality. Is Charter 08 laudable? That's debatable. I for one do not agree with it's proposal for "a new constitution".
Advocating abolition of China's constitution under foreign financing is violence against 1.3 billion people's right to sovereign independence.
bobbyfletcher2006 1 year ago
@goldtna The current president had already quite some power back then.
595o 1 year ago
I'm so sad! Continued pressure from China and without limit, disregarding life, everything and everybody (simple thing- remember - Google etc), points also our (world politics) submission to economic values above human rights and values) and our lack of action, either through the training of the mind and prayers or specific actions be "standing front of equality, freedom of expression and human rights (words in all our mouths) that includes the basis - respect of any life and culture!
edeltm 1 year ago
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edeltm 1 year ago
is there a peace in a communist government? how awful
TheEve25ify 1 year ago
@TheEve25ify There is no peace in any government, capitalists included.
WarmongerWW3 1 year ago
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Exor5445 1 year ago
Why would companies, who's only interest is making money, choose to pay their workers more?
Why doesn't China adopt a minimum wage that is equal to the Wests? If this would happen, China would be THE richest country, with the highest standard of living, without a wealth gap...
If this happened however, some very rich people would loose money, so instead they offer deals/stock options to CCP officials, who get corrupted by the money.
jackrowet1234 1 year ago
@jackrowet1234, 1st, those companies are not nationless, they belong to nations & protect by nations, it is the nations they belongs get much richer than the nations they invest, so Chinese workers' low wage in the end would beneffit the people of the West, isn't that a fact? Isn't that the reason the West would ever chasing after their companies? I would like to see that the US/West hold their companies with the same standards as they do in their own countries.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
President Carter got the peace prize too. You know Obama was nominated for the Nobel Peace prize twelve days after taking office. Upon acceptance of winning it, Obama was praised by the committee, "extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy". . They also gave the peace prize to Yasser Arafat, the leader of the PLO, the best known terrorist organization on the globe. This is like giving it to David Duke, the former Grand Wizard of the KKK.
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Allen West 2012
Angellicationify 1 year ago
@Angellicationify Interesting that you didn't mention Kissinger, but apart from what you think about the Nobel Prize committee this shouldn't change your view on Liu Xiaobo, he is far from being a terrorist.
595o 1 year ago
of course.
Liu supports 300 years colony of china for the world peace.
surely he must win the nobel prize,
americajordan7 1 year ago
@americajordan7 What?
595o 1 year ago
Nobel prizes are a joke. Shit even Obama has one! I bet he uses it as a paperweight in his office.
LiquidT3nsion 1 year ago
@LiquidT3nsion Let's say the prize is a joke, Liu Xiaobo is not.
595o 1 year ago
The problem with Chinese government is that they tried to make an example out of him when they should've done it the American way. Just make him disappear and make it look like an accident.
LiquidT3nsion 1 year ago
Any Chinese who are not supporting China democracy movement is not real Chinese. Chinese human rights and freedom are the basic rights for any human being. No need to drag other country into this discussion. China democracy is about Chinese human rights and freedom, no need to point your fingers to anywhere else.
mickdowner2009 1 year ago
@mickdowner2009, who give you the right to judge who is real Chinese or not? I don't prove democracy because people like you who only know how to BULLYing! You will turn our country to a ZOO! Democracy is backwards from civilization. I oppose human rights, coz it's baseless from any moral authentic teaching of human civilization. Human rights promotes selfishness, divide people into distrust among themselves. NO human rights for China, Period!
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
@sunmoonstargood. No need to ask me, just ask the 1.4 billion Chinese to tick yes or no if they want human rights and democracy. At least you are straight with your view. I have argued with some Chinese who insisted that Chinese already have human rights. Shame on those who don't want Chinese to live like normal human being, instead being slave to the commie.
mickdowner2009 1 year ago
@mickdowner2009, human rights are poisons for human mind, just as all human would like hear they can have a free lunch everyday. That doesn't count as human wisdom. Chinese people do live like normal human beings, as normal as their ancestors did, & as other human do in the world. What you should learn is, do NOT determine what "Normal" is for the world, you have NO right to do so.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
@sunmoonstargood Wait, you just admitted that (human) rights are poison, yet you accuse others of infringing your "rights"("you have NO right to do so.)......You are a hypocrite, because what you just said contradicts itself.
CCP is a bunch of gangsters, who use your pride (ancestors, technological progress) and shame (opium wars, jap occupation) to manipulate you, and to see democracy/treating people nicely as "foreign influence"
jackrowet1234 1 year ago
@jackrowet1234, no, my right is not your human rights, your human rights don't include what I stand. also, my right come with responsibilities, not a god given right without any resposibilities. I don't play god going around to determine what people's Normal life is. CCP is the best the Chinese people can ever have in the past 170 years. Yes, democracy is forced opon by a nation who use worthless paper money to gain the wealth of the whole world for the past 40 years. That's foreign influence.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
@sunmoonstargood. Now I find this sunmoonstargood guy is not going to reason with you or me. He is one of those brainwashed die-hard commie supporters. It would be a shame, if majority of Chinese had similar attitude like this piece of shit, I can see China is still long way off to democracy. I always say that what kind of people get what kind of government. Won't be long people like him will eat commie's shits very soon, for his own doing.
mickdowner2009 1 year ago
@mickdowner2009, yes, I am CCP gov. supporter & I am not alone. It is too bad for people like you that 99.999% Chinese people do not support your Western democracy/human rights garbages in our nation. Yours & Ours will not have any compromising in China, either you die or we die. I want everybody in the world to see that CCP gov. IS SUPPORTED by its people, we do NOT need vote to prove that. Chinese govs. in 5000 years never has to get vote to prove their legitamacy.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
@sunmoonstargood
The Chinese people elect village councils and local Peoples Congress representatives. Each subsequent level of government is elected by the level immediately below it. This is similar to my own country the UK. We don't elect our Prime Minister. He or she is the leader of the political party (appointed by the members of that party) that has most MPs.
redword2007 1 year ago
@redword2007, "This is similar to my own country the UK...", as long as CCP members dominate 99.99999999% of the candidates; as long as there is no general elections nation wide, only limited within villages/small locals; as long as the army only under CCP controls; as long as the elections is only treated as one of the choices to select officers, not mandatory for every local; I think I would agree to experiment.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
@mickdowner2009, if others prefer Western democracy/human rights, they can have it, we Chinese people have no objection. You & your kinds can just move out of China to stay with those nations who promote these ideas. BUT, you can NOT impose your idea on us, you have NO right to do that.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
@sunmoonstargood All people have a right not to have values and ideals shoved down their throats. The very system you are trying to protect is forcing itself on others who have no other choice. One could argue that "democracy" does the same thing but it is not violating human rights as the Chinese government is doing. We are simply trying to bring peace to the innocent.
Doricc 1 year ago
@Doricc, no, it is the very system you are trying to promote is forcing itself on others, the one who invented this system would use gun to invade other countries to impose their system, their value upon others; they label anybody who disagrees with them as evils. If they could just open their nation borders & invite people like you in the world who share their value, and leave others alone, I would think that’s a more appropriate way.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
@sunmoonstargood Communism is foreign influence.
jackrowet1234 1 year ago
@jackrowet1234, well, at least communism doesn't print worthless paper money to gain wealth from the whole world by force as democratic/free market system does.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
@sunmoonstargood Chinas currency is manipulated into being low, by the "communist" party, so that the rest of the world can buy as much of China as they want. CCP sells your workforce to foreign companies, and sells your culture to foreign advertising. CCP is just as much apart of the game...government officials don't live in mud huts, do they?
jackrowet1234 1 year ago
@jackrowet1234, whether Chinese currency is low or high, it is still worth something, while US dollar is worthless since 1971 US disconnected its currency from gold. Whenever US want more money, it just prints more, CCP gov. never do that. Beside, US gov. is biggest manipulater of currency exchange rate,by doing that, US has wipe out many countries' wealth. CCP sells out our workforce? Why don't u democratic gov. demand u companies just pay Chinese workers the same salary as they pay Americans?
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
@sunmoonstargood Currencies are relative to each other. No countries are backed by gold, except Switzerland. CCP prints money as well, just like the US... You keep currency low by printing lots of it... its called inflation...ie. there is more Yuan than USD, so Chinese can buy LESS, and work for cheap, and still keep a very large economy.
China is an economic playground...come with money, set up factory, pay your workers in Yuan(peanuts); Get rich.
jackrowet1234 1 year ago
@jackrowet1234, while currencies are relateive to each other, Chinese currency is not world reserve currency, we can't buy oil using Yuan, but US dollar has been the world reserve currency after ww2 & it used to be backed by gold before 1971. For the past 40 yrs US has forced the world to buy oil with $ exclusively, that called "pattro dollar", to obtain this worthless paper money, everyone has to sell goods to US, the more countries need oil, the more they need $, & the more US print.....
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
@sunmoonstargood. So the Chinese homes can be bulldozed over at anytime by officials and home owners cannot refused such action, this is normal human being living? Chinese are being jailed because they come out to speak the truth. this is normal human being living? they eat poisonous milk, cooking oil recycled from the gutter, whiten poisonous rice, this is normal human being living? You should eat these stuff to have a taste of the real life of the ordinary Chinese.
mickdowner2009 1 year ago
@mickdowner2009, "So the Chinese homes can be......." if you determine to lay down in the bottom of a toilet & look up to see people' asshole, then the only thing you see is shit! Human body have other parts to for you to look at, & even your lover's asshole is full of shit too.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
The 2nd reason I don’t prove democracy is that people really are fool themselves into thinking they are in charge. For ex. until 2000 Bush/Gore election, Americans, including the medias hadn’t known that the President of US isn’t elected by 1 pl 1 vote=the popular vote, but by “Electoral College” vote=a special small group of people. If the 2 votes are different, it is the Electoral Votes that counts.After 200 some years people even didn’t know the rule of the game, how could they be in charge?
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
@rekcufeht, The 3rd reason I don’t prove democracy is that it is not a transparent system, especially the process of how to select the politicians. Politic is a profession, as human society has developed so complex that it is impossible for an armature to run. Since no one are born politician, it has to be trained, studied & practice, just like any other professions. We know how a doctor gets trained from scratch-there are certain schools for prospective doctor-want-to=be to study.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
@rekcufeht, @videofn, The candidates will take all kinds of tests, get monitored, have a chance to have residential practice, finally take a state license test-a series process of selection-every step if they fail, they would not allowed to take the next steps. In a democratic society, how a politician is trained from scratch? How do they get selected? If a person wants to be a politician, where should he go to get trained? What steps would he take? Whom should he know?
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
The reason I ask these questions is because I am from an ancient tradition that all politician have to be specially trained & pass special tests. The selective process is transparent & open to every Chinese. At present, if you ask every Chinese how to be a politician, he would tell you that you need to get in the CCP first, then do well on the tasks the CCP signed;there’d be someone to guide & monitor you, pass the tests along the way, step by step, from the bottom up, you claim the ladder.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
However, in US, how politicians get trained & selected aren’t clear, in fact it seems like a secret, as everyone I’ve asked had no idea. It’s strange that people pay so many on Election; but never pay any attention on Selection; as if we pay attention on how to choose a doctor from many doctors, but we never bother to how & where the doctors get trained. How do we know that our doctors qualified to serve us? How do we know the doctors aren’t con-artists?
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
American voters not only don’t know how their candidates are selected/trained, neither do they know the selective procedure of the Electoral College members who can have the decisive power to override average voters’ vote. Those who pick politicians for people to vote must be in more powerful postitions than the politicians are; but WHO are they? When Obama was young man, who was the 1st person who picked & trained him? In China we know all of that, which means we know who are responsible.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
If the selected procedures aren’t clear or transparent to voters, then, it is very possible for some private entities or special interests groups to pick several individuals as candidates to serve their best interests instead the general voters; as a result, no matter who finally win the election, no matter what the winner promises before he gets elected, when he is in gov. he would first to take care the best interest of those who Selected him instead those who Elected him.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
Because the US voters’ lack of the knowledge of how the democracy games are really played, I don’t think they are actually in charge of the nation; but they are manipulated into thinking that they are in charge. Maybe Chinese gov. isn’t the best in the world & Chinese people are not in charge our nation, at least we know the truth; we know who are in charge & we can hold them responsible. If China becomes democratic, I am afraid Chinese people will be fooled the same way as Americans.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
@rekcufeht, @videofn，let me share with you another information which clearly tells how US got rich. In 1900, 8 Western nations including US invaded China. They broken our house, killed our men, raped our women & robed tens of thousands priceless treasure from our palace. Why??? In a speech by Chauncey M. Depew, New York Senator and high political and financial power of his day, in seconding the nomination o f Theodore Roosevelt of the Vice-Presidency of the United States
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
at the Republican National Convention of 1900, when he stated in part: “What is the tendency of the future? Why this war in South Africa? Why this hammering at the gated of Peking? Why this marching of troops from Asia to Africa? Why these parades of people from other empires to other lands? It is because the surplus productions of the civilized countries of modern times are greater than civilization can consume. It is because this overproduction goes back to stagnation and poverty.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
The American people now produce 2000 million$’ worth more than we can consume, and we have met the emergency; and by the valor of Roosevelt and his associates, we have our market in the Philippines, and we stand in the presence of 800 millions of people, with the Pacific as an American lake... ”
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
According to the information below, we can clearly see that American workers worked very hard, they were very productive, but that didn’t make them rich, actually that made them very poor, because unless someone were willing to buy their over-produced goods, they would get nothing. So, their gov. gave them a helping hand by waging war on innocent Chinese, buy killing, robbing, raping, with Chinese’s tear, blood & flesh, American works goods got sold, now they got rich.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
I think that It is important to see HOW their get their freedom & wealth, not just they HAVE them. If a man, whenever he needs money, he would rob his neighbors, yes he has a decent life, but that’s not an honest way to make a living.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
I mention US’s dark past not because I couldn’t forgive, it is because the US still does the same tricks. In US’s medias, including textbooks, whenever mentioning the history of US major internal conflicts/problems, they always give the reader the impression that all these conflicts were resolved “Internally”, whether by civil war or strike, or demonstration on the street, etc.. In fact, it is far from the truth. Every single US major internal conflict was resolve “Externally”.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
For example: politically conflicts such as the Civil War were heavily influenced by Russian; the Independent War could not be won without France’s support. Economically, whenever US has internal conflicts, it would transfer its problems to other people, e.g. when the rich white man got too many land, they enslave the black to work for them; after the Independent when the poor white needed the land promised by the rich white, it was the Native who paid the price;
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
when US worker had over-production, it was China whose door was kicked broken, after that US could afforded to establish its public Ed; when there was the Great Depression, it was the WW2 simulate the economy, as a consequence US became the #1 economy; when the black asked for equal pay & equal opportunity led by M.L King, what did the US do? US disconnected its gold with the $, the $ become worthless paper, & by using these paper, US got the free goods & the black got their desired jobs.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
US has since 1971 put the whole world at its gunpoint to force everybody to trade oil with $ exclusively. Because oil is a necessity commodity for any country who want to be industrialized while US wouldn’t give its paper $ for free, so everyone has to sell their goods to US to obtain these paper $ to buy oil. When those $ reach oil rich countries, US asks these countries to invest the $ back to US, & then magically making these $ as loans to lend to poor countries for interests!
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
If you Google US GDP history from 1950-2010, you can see there is a hike starting at the beginning of 1970s. For almost 40 yrs, US are getting richer & richer by print paper money. Getting wealth out of nothing-very clever, yet a dishonest way of making a living. Not the oil itself, but the oil money or called petro dollar is really at the center of what is happening in the Middle East. Besides the oil money, there are 2 other ways US would use to obtain other countries’ wealth.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
@rekcufeht, @videofn, 1 of the other 2 ways is that US moves its low end industries to China & other developing countries, use their resources & cheap labors, buy their good with the paper money; then instead of letting them buying US goods, US forces them lend the $ back to US: buying US gov. bones & invested in US banks, etc. Next, US would play game with the exchange rate; after a few ups & downs, the value of other counties’ money get shrink, these countries would end up with peanuts.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
Beside oil & Exchange rate, the 3rd way US obtains other’s money is to make economic bubbles, usually in stock & housing markets. Before the bubbles start, US’d ask the perspective country to open its currency market, so foreign currency can be exchanged freely; when bubbles start bursting, US’d asked that country’s gov. no intervention-”you should let the market decide & run its course.” Then, US quickly get its profit & exchange them to $ before that country’s economy collapsed.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
Many countries’ wealth were wiped out by US’s bubble tricks; include Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, Japan, Russia, S. Korea, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, & Pilipino. Of course, the whole world saw what the US gov. did in 2007-8 when its own housing bubbles burst--immediate gov. intervention, opposite what it had been preaching to the world. US has totally lost of its credibility not only on economy issues, but also in political spheres. Why should the world adapt US democracy as a role model?
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
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@rekcufeht, @videofn, CCP China now is still MaoZeDong’s legacy; Mao has said:”To capture a regime one needs 2 weapons, 1 is Gun, the other is Pen”. CCP knows very well how to use pen as a weapon, coz it is a Master. Now the West is trying to paint an innocent picture of using pen, it is laughable.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
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rekcufeht 1 year ago
World: "He deserves" -> Nobel
China: "He deserves" -> Jail
a900104 1 year ago
@a900104, Nobel is not the World,nor is the West; and China represent 20% of world humanity.One great China man told his country men:"Keep walk to own goal, and let others say whatever they want to say.走自己的路，让别人说去吧。“ There is a law of the universe called "Action and Reaction". Any action will cause an reaction back with equal force. I plea to Norway people, tell you gov., do not lend your nation's status to Nobel P. No king, no foreign diplomats. Otherwise there will be a reaction/consequence.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
Both norway people and the gov. state that Nobel P. is a private party and does not represent them,then it should be presented this way. Now, it is presented to the world as a nation’s representive--the Head of the state, invitation to all the nation’s diplomats. Do any other private parties in the world can have a king and all the nation’s diplomats show up at their parties? Please pass words around in you nation, strive for honoresty, let Nobel P. be what it really is, not help it pretending.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
To support dissident overthrow a sovereign nation’s gov.is a serious business. A man who wants peace will not abet the wife of a neighbor to leave her husband. It is for Norway people's own good not letting Nobel P. completely get out of the hand. If Norwagain letting an unqualified private entity to pretend to be a representative of your nation by giving it the nation’s status, thinking you can just sit & enjoy the fame it brings, you are making a mistake. There will be consequences/reactions
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
@sunmoonstargood wise, very neutral comments
pandakiyom 1 year ago
@a900104 what world? your inner world?
zorgUbuntu 1 year ago
@zorgUbuntu I don't know what western people think about Nobel Peace Prize, but I'm sure that we both think Liu shouldn't be in the jail
a900104 1 year ago
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@a900104, "we both think Liu shouldn't be in the jail"? Why not? Only when he is in jail qualify him for the Nobel P. See the Timothy Cheek video on the right side of this page. It is neccessary for the show.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
both arrested because they fucked with their governments, liu's reward is better than julian assange, at least he got the prize.
harmonyordie 1 year ago
@harmonyordie,"fucked with their governments"? So the you elect Democracy gov. is for you to fuck? Aren't those who is in gov. human beings too? Should they be treated with respect just as all of us what to be treated?
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
Don't believe lies from CCP & 50 Cent Party. Chinese, Tibetans, & Uighurs want human rights & democracy. We don't want to be imprisoned & tortured. We want freedom from CCP tyranny. CCP are the oppressors in China, Tibet & Xinjiang.
AlternityGM 1 year ago
@AlternityGM, you can get out of China for your human rights, you have the right to do that if you are not happy, no one holds you back. China perfectly can do without you. We Han just want the land rights and water resource rights. Human rights do not to have land and water resources to be satisfied. Isn't that right?
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
@sunmoonstargood FYI, it's not that easy to get out of the PRC, 2nd of the PRC is not only for the Han and I bet you are as Han as my dog.
595o 1 year ago
@595o, you must not from China, FYI, it is very easy to get out of China, it is hard to be accepted by other country. Another FYI, we Han people never racially discriminate others. We do not have the culture to call someone dog just becuase of his/her race or ethinisity, we are civilized people.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
I'm glad to see the prize go to someone who deserved it this year.
DarkArchon88 1 year ago
The same Western political types who were happy as pigs in slop during China's darkest days of communism are now endlessly whining as China moves toward a market-based economy.
Nobel is now run by spoiled rich blond brats who hand prizes to communist-backed racists like Nelson Mandela, and junk science proselytizers like Albert Arnold Gore Jr., so the Nobel Prize is now just a dunce cap.
Activists are useless narcissists.
TylerNull 1 year ago 11
@TylerNull So you are implying the west just envious of market-economy and yet one-party no-free-speech rule? :->
595o 1 year ago
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Freedom for Tibet and the Tibetan people! Tibet has never been, is not, and never will be a part of China. China is illegally occupying the independent nation of Tibet!
beatlesfab1 1 year ago
Oh well. At least he had Universal healthcare.
calstategop 1 year ago
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Freedom for Tibet! Tibet has never been and never will be part of China!!!!
beatlesfab1 1 year ago
@beatlesfab1, you Tibetian do not have to be part of China, you are free to leave, but the land have to stay.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
@sunmoonstargood Wow, you're one step away from calling for the genocide of the Tibetan people. Now we know what you Han Chinese really want. You want to steal the land of the Tibetan people and the best way to do it will be by forcing the Tibetan people to become refugees in other countries. Wow, your comment speaks volumes about the real agenda of the People's Republic of China. It's also clear to me that the 50 Cent Party is alive and well on YouTube, with trolls like you on here.
beatlesfab1 1 year ago
@beatlesfab1, yes, the real agenda is someone in Tibet want to sell their land to the West, in turn to harm China. Yes, the issue is about land, you know that as well as I do. Land is more important than human, coz it the pre-requesto of human to live on. It is the equiviland of life. Every religion tell us that there is land FIRST before there is human, so put land before human is a rational choice. I told people in Taiwan the same message. As human everyone can go anywhere they want to.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
@sunmoonstargood More 50 Cent Party nonsense. Nobody in the West wants the land in Tibet. That land is the home of the Tibetan people. But you're such a hypocrite being upset with the West about allegedly wanting the land in Tibet, when the Chinese invaded Tibet and stole the land from the Tibetan people. Is your brain failing to comprehend the obvious contradiction here????
beatlesfab1 1 year ago
@beatlesfab1, do you have any idea how the West get their lands?, for one thing, they can ask the people on the desired land to be indepandent, then, they will take the newly independented land, that's what happened in Mexicao. If the land is in far away place, West also promote independent, and then they can control the newly independented people, angainist one another. We never interested your land until in 20th century you started back up by the West to harm China.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
@beatlesfab1, half truth is no truth, Tibetan is free to go as well as Free to Stay, If you stay, you will be treated equally as everyone else. Anything wrong with that?
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
@sunmoonstargood Treated equally as everyone else? You mean, being beaten and tortured, deprived of the rights to freedom speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of religion, etc. OK, I see what you mean. As it stands now, Tibetans are being discouraged not to speak their own language as the Chinese want them to speak Mandarin. So nobody believes your 50 Cent Party nonsense.
beatlesfab1 1 year ago
@beatlesfab1, Ok, then go some place where you feel comfortable. Go some place where slavery, racial discrimination, ethnic cleancing, genocide (both culture and physically) never happened. Isn't that wonderful? However, if you side with parties who have a trail of record of committing those Crime Againist Humanity, then you deserve what you are saying you have in China.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
@beatlesfab1, the West has do enormouse harm to the rest of the world for the past 500 hundreds years. China was not alone. You are accusing Han Chinese did this, doing that while siding with the West who have been doing a lot longer and many more than harm than Han Chinese tell us that you are ill motivated. Why you need to harm Han Chinese before you can live happyly ever after? It is the Han Chinese bring civilization to Tibetan, do you ever know to say "thank you"?
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
@sunmoonstargood This discussion has nothing to do with the West so don't bring the West into this. This discussion does have everything to do with China's ILLEGAL occupation of the independent nation of Tibet! Nobody asked for the Han Chinese to bring "civilization" to Tibet. In fact, the Han Chinese did not bring civilization to Tibet. Instead they brought many tears and sorrow to the Tibetan people. The Tibetan people don't want you Han Chinese there. How about that, 50 Cent Party man?
beatlesfab1 1 year ago
@beatlesfab1, of course this discussion have everything to do with the West, they are the ones running the show, aren't they? ILLEGAL? whose law are your talking about? Han people brought Buddist, the knowledge of architectures and many craftmanship. Also it was your king made the initial move to ask the marriage from the Han emporer. If you have that much tear and sorrow, why do you leave, find some place else to get you human right fed? To have human right do not need land right.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
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beatlesfab1 1 year ago
@beatlesfab1,brother, Dali Lama agrees with me, he admitted it in US tv. It was the Princess WenCheng brought Buddist in to Tibet first, then, Tibetan liked it so much and decided to learn directly from India; as a consequence, Tibet developed its own written language. The ones who leave Tibet will be Tibetans who want human rights which do not a piece of land to be satisfied. it regards HUMAN only. We Han people need land, not human rights.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
@beatlesfab1, you still use the word"illegall", there is no Chinese law prohibiting Chinese army going into its own territary, so you are following whatever laws of the West, THAT is the problems. You have NO right to side with those who harms China, just because you happened to live in Tibet first. NO right, do you hear me? Tibet land is where 80% of Asia water resourse come from. People who occupy this land need to have an extrem sense of responsible attitude toward humanity. You haven't!
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
@beatlesfab1, The brother of DaliLama once said:Tibet is the water soures of many major river in Asia,and not before long the price of water will higher than the price of oil......The Bush jr.iography movie "W" showed a scene that there was a big map showing all the important nature resources in the world, Tibet was on it. It stated that if US gains controll of the resources, US will control the world. So, that's is all about. You think we don't know that? You get out for you human rights, out!
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
Dear netizens! Please don't reply to any comments posted by the '50 cent party'( u can google it if u don't know what it means),coz u will help them earn more money if u do so.Just express your own views by posting your comments,but don't reply them.
Fergus3232 1 year ago
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driesttube 1 year ago
@videofn ive clicked on their profiles. communist chinese living overseas.
rekcufeht 1 year ago
@rekcufeht, there are 75ml CCP mebers, 5% of Chinese population, 1 in every 20. There are 50ml oversea Chinese. Are these 50ml part of that 75ml, or in addition to that? Do you know what you are talking about?
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
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Im sorry, let me make that clearer to you. the people i refer to are those chinese from china who are currently residing overseas and have been brainwashed by their government.
there is a distinct difference between overseas chinese and chinese from china living overseas. Overseas chinese are ethnic chinese but not chinese nationals.
rekcufeht 1 year ago
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@rekcufeht,"chinese from china who are currently residing overseas and have been brainwashed by their government", why not clearned up by the West? Since the Chinese gov has no influence overseas, it can do nothing about it if those overseas Chinese decide to be let their brain cleaned up by the West? I do not understand the relationship between nationals and brainwash
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
@sunmoonstargood
the fact is that propaganda from maoist china has been inseminated since young in chinese nationals. if you have any knowledge of psychology, you would understand that once a conception, an idea or perspective has been established it is hard to break regardless of what its nature is. so you cannot just choose to dispose of it. this is called conditioning. just because you live overseas does not mean that your conception of something will change. that is the relation.
rekcufeht 1 year ago
@rekcufeht, in psychology, the term "conditioning" means an reflection by association. e.g if you feed a dog while ring a bell, dog will be mouth watering when it sees the food; but because you associated the bell ringing with the food, later,when hearing the bell ring, dog will still be mouth watering even without the food. People experience contr camp were shaking whenever they hear Beethoven symphony, because Nazi played the music while killing. I don't see the connection to Chinese abroad.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
@rekcufe ht,the conditioning I was talking in before refer to classical conditioning,if you are talking about operant conditioning,which is reaction to postive or negative stimulus, it still does not make sense to me. Because, any conditioning is the reaction to the evironment.It is a learned behavior,and always can be unconditioninged if the environment changes.Every oversea Chinese from mainland China has an open mind, they want to see something different,otherwise, they would have stay home.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
@rekcufe, You don’t know how strong wills Chinese have had to learn from others. 1300 years ago, during Tang Dyn. when China at her historically prime ,monk XuanZhuang 玄奘walked to India to have further research of Buddhism. It took him 19 years total; he almost lost his life. China now is the largest “English speaking” country, for there are 400ml people learning/speaking English. Almost any new book published in US, 1-3 month later there would be a Chinese translation copy.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
@rekcufe, Recently years,3 girls & 3 boys came to LA for college, they were from the same cities in China, so their parents formed a support group. They were very comfortable, eat Chine food, speaking Chinese. After 1 year, the parents ordered them to go to US inland, “Go to see real US &Americans”, so they transfer to a small college in almost all white small town in Missouri, they were the largest minority there. The parent want them really get to know all about US.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
@videofn & rekcufe,I saw 08 when it first came out and I understand what these signers' talking about, for I was a 64 supporter myself. I change my mind now, coz I find out that the ideas of Freedom, Human rights and Democracy are either baseless, or flawed theories. Let me explain.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
Let’s look at Human rights. If human rights are regarded as universal morality, then we need to check 3 believe systems that human have been used to guide their morality/behavior: religion-Bible, Quran, Buddha Sutra, Hindu Sanskrit; classical philosophy:Confucian,Lao-tzu,Aristotle,Socrates; and science for atheist. Do any of these systems say we human have this innate right without responsibility? NO.They only recognize we human have born NEEDS. So the morality of human rights claim is baseless.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
The theory of Democracy is basically for the people to limit, check & balance the evil power of their gov. because human nature is sinful. But, what about the people’s sinfulness? You know, people can be just as evil & greedy as the gov. Ancient Rome Republic was destroyed by its own people. If we recognize that all human are Equally sinful regardless social status, then people's power also need to be limited, checked &balanced, but by WHO? The theory doesn’t make sense to me.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
As for democracy, I don’t prove it for several reasons:#1, it is a violent sys. In 236 years, 16 US presidents got shot at, once every 15 years averagely and 6 of them were dead. Why do people shot a president elected by themselves? Why can’t people just wait a few more years until the next election? Also, the civil war, why couldn’t people in a democratic society TALK through their differences? In China we say “Gentlemen use their mouth, not their hand/君子动口不动手”. Civil, is it too much to ask?
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
Not only in US, but also worldwide violence in many countries who adopt democracy: India killed 3 their heads of the state; Taiwan 10 years into their democracy, the sitting president got shot, and this year 1 person who was the son of a high politician got shot while helping the election; the senators in Japan, S.Korea, Taiwan and Ukraine had physical fights like dogs; when they speak, including those of US, they use dirty words as if they were never educated. Where is civilization???
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
Democracy also promotes mistrust between fellow countrymen and people & their gov. It encourages people treat their gov. like piece of shit. When I saw American spit on US senators, French people poured paint to their official, I was feeling sick to my stomach. It “s not fair! gov. run by human, which should be treated with respect, just as everyone else. Some may view these violence as normal, but thet are totally unacceptable to me. NO violence, Be Civil, period!!
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
All gov. have good & bad sides. When evaluate gov. it is more advisable to see the upper limit of the good side & lower limits of the bad side, compare it to other govs. then ask “Comparing with the alternatives, how bad this gov.can be, better, same or worse? Ask the same question for the good side. If people think their gov. can be as bad as other gov. but can be much better on the good side, then, it is a good one.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
That is what exactly is happing in China,people may have dissatisfaction with the gov. but when come to the best interests of Chinese people, they know no other govs in the world can do better as CCP gov. When China had big earthquake in 2008, whom could Chinese people count on to save them? Norway gov. or US gov.? Look what US gov. capable of doing in helping Haiti. I am depressed. BTW, Haiti is a democratic country, self-gov. What do u guys think of its performance at the time of disaster?
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
If encountering danger, CCP is still the only one who can order its members:”CCP members step out!”, those members would die before people. Can anyone alse in the world, govs & religions alike, single out their members to die for Chinese people? When China had a big food, CCP members were the ones in the frontline, and died in high numbers. I read there’s an official stayed in a village to help famers, for 3 years he did not see his family, he died prematurely with a heart attract.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
Comparing with the high limit of good side,I never see in a democratic society elected officials would serve people till they die, as CCP members do. All CCP members swear they’d give up their life for Chinese people when join the party, so we can ask them for that. We know we can’t ask anyone else for the same thing.Choosing gov. is about trade-offs, give & take, if I give up this, what else I would get. If some people prefer violent democracy, they can have it, but don’t push it on others.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
@rekcufeht,"chinese from china who are currently residing overseas and have been brainwashed by their government", why not clearned up by the West? Since the Chinese gov has no influence overseas, it can do nothing about it if those overseas Chinese decide to be let their brain cleaned up by the West? I do not understand the relationship between nationals and brainwash
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
@rekcufeht so what? communism is nothing. we got more serious problems going on here.
videofn 1 year ago
@videofn
if china was really practicing communism, that would not be a problem.Marx's idea of communism was of a noble utopia. but china practiced maoism and now seems like a authoritative society. anyway, that's beside the point. when i described them as from communist china living overseas i intended to mean chinese nationals living overseas. It seemed easier to distinguish as some people from china that i have talked to seemed to have difficulty understanding the term overseas chinese.
rekcufeht 1 year ago
@rekcufeht Communism is authoritative. But China is an odd-ball case. I agree that it practiced Maosism, but that died down after Deng Xiaoping took over. And now it's become more of a socialist state that worships market economy. It's unfortunate that human rights is a issue, but it's an issue everywhere. Yeah i know some Chinese nationals, and they are not for or against communism. Most of them are very neutral.
videofn 1 year ago
@videofn
it is true that some do not really care about the idea of communism anymore. however, they are still very touchy when it comes to certain topics like tibet, tiananmen square etc. the fact is that the government disemination of propaganda has had a huge effect on the people's mind sets. im sorry if there was confusion. but i think the main issue i was trying to get at was the influence of the government on the way the people think even after they have left the country.
rekcufeht 1 year ago
@rekcufeht I think the misunderstanding is that when you criticize China you tend to confuse the government with individual chinese. that's why some people are upset about your comments. But debate is much better than just protest in my opinion.
videofn 1 year ago
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@videofn
let me show an example:
@Fergus3232,There are 50Ml oversea Chinese,10times Norway population. Once while visiting US,the Secretary of Ed.Dept. of China asked oversea Chinese to help China by 1)tell China immediately if we find something good;2)explain/introduce China to locals;3)warn/remind China if we see potential danger to China. So, please do not underestimate our love for China, we will do it for free, or even have to pay out of our own pockets.
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rekcufeht 1 year ago
@videofn
I think that post by sunmoonstargod serves as a good example of showing how blind the people can be towards their own country. i dont think this is how one shows love for ones country. but more like how one shows blind love for the government and all the crimes it has committed. the government is not the country and should not be treated like one. the purpose of a government is to serve the people not be worshiped by it but propaganda and brain washing has resulted in worship.
rekcufeht 1 year ago
@rekcufeht, in China's experience and history plus the geo political location, nation, gov. and the people ARE ONE. It is a trinity=3 in 1. Who has the right to say we can't or should't? If we want to worship our nation, isn't that within our Rignt to do so? Gov. serives people, ok, we want it serves us by been authority, that what we want them for, not slave, not animal in a cage. I don't like slave or animal in cages to run my country, I don't need that.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
sorry, the below post is for @videofn.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
@rekcufeht, some people are extremly judgmental, they make worship to one's own country sounds like a crime (that doesn't mean I woriship); and acception of the unit of gov.& nation as imoral. Whenever they see Chinese people dissagrees with them, their first reaction would be:"You don't know what you are talking, you are helplessly brainwashed, you are blind, I know better than you do". They are so pre-occupied that they even do not know how to listen. This is a sign of arrogant.
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
Sorry again, the below post is for @videofn
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
@rekcufeht @videofn,in 08 the people in the panda base were isolated by the earthquake, they had live with pandas & surrounded by high mountains. They gathered all the food & water, divided food & water in 5 for the next 5 day’s surviving, coz they had the confident in CCP gov. that within 5 days, they would be rescued. 3 days later, they saw the 1st helicopter bringing water. Do Americans have the same confidence in their gov. ? Do anyone in the world have the same confident in their govs.?
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
@rekcufeht @videofn,if you are in the midz of earthqk disaster, I can assure you that your citizen's basic right is the last thing on your mind. You-the master, now at the mercy of your servant=your gov., whom you can spit on, curse, slam, beat & kill at will, an animal you have put in a cage. What does make you think that gov. will rescue you, even willing to risk their life? Can you shout out to your gov.:” You must save me, because I voted for you & I have the right to be rescued” ?
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
@rekcufeht , democracy was designed when one at his heydays, it works well during the BEST days when everything goes to one’s advantage. To the opposite, Chinese design their gov. for the WORSE day, they want to make sure they can survive/ride through the darkest days when all things goes against them. When Chinese are in disaster situations, natural or human alike, whom can they count on? The West haven’t put 1 once of commitment to the welfare of Chinese, why should Chinese listen to them?
sunmoonstargood 1 year ago
@sean5171 malaysia democratic? yeah right. the political system is a sham. so is the judiciary
rekcufeht 1 year ago
Before everyone keeps continuing blabbering about who's right and who's wrong, I want to point out that people who have not been to china have no rights to post comments at all! Your comments will be biased and based on poorly misguided judgements of the American media! Totally shameful.
lyj6 1 year ago
I DON'T FEEL LIKE ARGUING WITH U DUMB FUCKS ON HERE, BUT LIU CAN EAT MORE SHIT IN PRISON, AND THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE IS FUCKIN BULLSHIT.
P.S. WHY HAVEN'T HITLER WON THAT GAY PRIZE YET?
aznvi3tboiz16 1 year ago
Dear netizens! Please google "US cent party" and u will be able to find out why Fergus3232 has nothing to say about the fact Liu Xiaobo took a million dollars from Uncle Sam.
No one pays me to comment, Fergus if you have proof let's see it!
bobbyfletcher2006 1 year ago
@bobbyfletcher2006 Even if he has, so what? The US is pragmatism in person, they do such things, this does not make the text of Charta 08 any less laudable.
595o 1 year ago
Dear netizens! Please google '50 cent party' and u will be able to read a very interesting article.Thanks.
Fergus3232 1 year ago