The Day in 100 Seconds: Health Care Spiral

[sethcat99]

So is the government hoping to win in this "new" health care racket? By becoming an option; fail? Why don't they just regulate the amount a Corp. can charge for service, ya they can do that.

[CastorT64]

RICSAIMFA <- one of MSNBC's 2 or 3 viewers.

[RICSAIMFA]

That's being silly. MSNBC is bigger than FOX. Do you know how many divisions MSNBC has? Count how many liberals and progressives are in the country and around the world? That's how many people watch MSNBC. Plus it's a Global Cable News Network watched around the world.

[RICSAIMFA]

That's being silly. MSNBC is bigger than FOX. Do you know how many divisions MSNBC has? Count how many  liberals and progressives are in the country and around the world? That's how many people watch MSNBC. Plus it's a Global Cable News Network watched around the world.

[CastorT64]

Is MSNBC still on the air?  How many people watch it? 2 or 3?

[fishhead06]

This is what Obama gets for trying to cooperate with Republicans. Next time, kick the fuckers out of the way and fulfill the mandate Americans gave the Democratic Party.

[captcaveman4201]

0:58 that says it all !! this is exactly what i have been saying for a long time now! you can't use as an excuse for not proceding with something if it is something that already exists.

[Magurufukuru]

Christ "ramming through reform" fuck goddamn the media. we've got a majority in both houses of congress so what the fuck are we "ramming". Fuck you, corporate media, fuck you.

[markvanslam]

"you bet ur bippy" haha who doesnt love that guy

[crazyological]

How can an idiot like Michael Steele talk about common sense? You have an organized system of publicly elected liers and pundits. Strangly enough Bernie Sanders, an independent, seems to be the most sympathetic and rationalvoice on the topic. Where are the damn democrats?

[frostwolf1]

Sanders rocks, once a week he takes call-in questions on Air America radio without any pre-screening and without knowing what they're going to ask. Not many congressmen would go on a live program without knowing what questions they were going to be asked by the anchors first...

[marniespeaks]

dump the republicans like Bush dumped the democrats

[jasonsadventure]

steele: "were trying to get some common sense discussion going on?"

perhaps you're confused. you're right wing, crazy talk party has done everything but try to get a common sense discussion.

how can you just straight up balded-face lie like that? i mean, it's not even a subtle, hard to check, skillful lie.

[BigPurple121]

Exactly. When Obama offered his new form of politics & included the Republicans unnecessarily, they just went crazy with misinformation and scare tactics.

Check this out [ /watch?v=Rq77LzLM0jw&feature=s­ub ]

This guy lays out the realpolitik issue, the issue Republicans should be worried about, like butter on french toast.

[yanks1022]

When the upper ranks of the republican party can't even deny "death panels", like Mr. Steele, it's so hard for me to understand why people blindly follow their 'leadership'. The myth of republican competence has been shattered. Fox news aka Cluster Fox and Friends aka Faux news, propagates these claims made by these misinformed conservatives. Maddow said it perfectly. The argument is between those who want reform, and those who don't even want the conversation to happen.

[dejahthoris]

Superb job of editing, this is your best work ever!!!

[MVX12]

Obama is so right.

[JBeatty17]

I voted for Change, not bipartisanship. Man up, President Obama. If you want real reform, you're going to have to step on some conservatives' toes.

[sosopitt]

im conservative and voted for mccain but i completely agree with you jbeatty...i don't want this plan to pass but i don't understand why obama seems worried about stepping on toes! come on man, you won the election with ease....

[carrierexchange]

Steel: "We don't know."

That kinda' sums it up for you.

[theiamania]

That it does. - I don't know what it is about, but i am totally against it. Perfect position to have ##!?

[kraksc]

I love when bureaucrats use the term bureaucrats, It is like out of body experience for themselves.

[SquallCloud]

Okay dems just put on your ass kicking shoes, step on some toes and forget all the flowery bipartisanship. We would not have overwhelmingly voted for you if we didn't want progressive policy and furthermore you can't have a "discussion" with folks shouting about Hitler and death panels. That's your mistake right there.

[oldtownkid]

The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it comes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism - ownership of government by an individual, by a group,

F.D.R.

[states37]

Michael Steele is corny.

[IntroToYourPsych]

It's time to grill the republicans!

[10thAngel]

Like... is the guy around 1:00 to the right really from harvard?

highly doubt it.

[val913]

Do people actually believe this BS? This is pure propaganda... do some research and think for yourselves people!

[TheRamenAvenger]

Which BS are you referring to?

[Smartassawhip]

We are getting really close to getting this done... we can not give up now. We need to turn up the heat. For ways in which you can support the public option without spending a dime take a look at my profile. It is full of resources and honest information about the public option health care plan.

[almamatters2471]

The American "news media" is ridiculously pathetic...turn off your tv's folks...it is all just smoke and mirrors.

[whoo689]

Why should us folks who can afford insurance and work hard pay for millions more folks to go on yet ANOTHER gov't welfare program? We've already got healthcare entitlements out the ass: medicare, medicaid, cobra, schip, you name it. Medicare and SS are gonna create a 50 trillion fiscal gap in the next several decades, anyway. Public option will not possibly make the gov't save enough money for that. sure, public option may make us save a few percentage points on gdp, but not on gov't.

[quadfunk]

All you are is the epitome of greed and all that is wrong with the situation. You obvioulsy have no idea how the plan really works by the statement you made. You are human waste.

[whoo689]

I mean, how could you guys on the Left be so duped as to think that 1 in 6 Americans ACTUALLY can't possibly afford healthcare no matter what, even if they apply for a gov't program like SCHIP or Medicaid? Or COBRA if they lose their job? It's ludicrous! We're supposed to overhaul our system and create a public option for a mere 8-13 million of the system who can't actually afford it? No, no, no. Not happenin. Why does the Left always assume more gov't intervention will fix everything? why

[tonyback2tony]

So you're saying instead of looking to the GOVERNMENT to change things so they can afford health care, the should go to the GOVERNMENT programs so they can afford health care

Congratulations sir/madam

[whoo689]

The snapshot, though, that the Left gives about the 47 million number is that there's 50 million individuals and people in households who can't POSSIBLY afford healthcare in the long-term. They're all suffering and about to go on the streets if they don't get insurance. I'm sure there are a few people in that position, unfortunately, but it's nowhere near 15% of the population. Believe it or not, the healthcare is working pretty well for a capitalist system. Gov't bureaucracy won't fix it.

[whoo689]

The truth of the matter is, even the Kaiser Family Foundation, a LIBERAL group, says that of the 47 million uninsured, only 8-13 million are actual US citizens who couldn't possibly afford basic care on their current incomes. 10 million are illegal aliens. Another 17 million make 50-75 grand or more! And quite a few of the uninsured are only uninsured for 4 months or less. They're just uninsured between jobs and whatnot.  4 months later, there'll be a totally new snapshot of uninsured.

[whoo689]

the NBC poll says that only 36% support the Obama healthcare proposal? Well, then, let it fail. The public option will screw us all over. I mean, what's to stop the bureaurats who run it from extremely undercutting private insurers and causing them to go bankrupt, which would only increase the amount of people who have to go on gov't entitlement healthcare? Plus, isn't Medicaid already a public option of sorts? Just reform that. Or abolish it and then replace it with public option.

[whoo689]

Plus, I'm getting sick of the Left with their silly myths about how no one likes their healthcare. BULLSHIT! Tons of people in this country are satisfied with their coverage and care.  Look at a poll, for god sake! Stupid Senator Sanders says "No one likes their healthcare." Actually, I think he means in Canada and Britain.

[drmondman1]

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[BigPurple121]

Dems tried to bring in the republicans into the discussion & they added nothing meaningful

[rkeppler3633]

All they did was heap on extra helpings of crazy and threats and lies. Time to pass it with reconciliation.

If the wingnuts don't like it, let them repeal it when they come back in to power.

[SabuPtolemy]

Sen. Sanders said it ALL!

The public option is good for competition and is the only way we'll ever get a grip on spiraling heath care costs.

It's funny that all these ultra Capitalists who cry about Socialism this and that don't understand that very basic principle.

[Uwiluz60]

What would keep us from having more Administrators than Doctors and Nurses if profit wasn't a need ? And would that not lead to poor service ? That would be my Question.

[ver506]

Srsly, how does anybody defend private insurance? They're EVIL!!!!

[EmperorKagato]

The same way people defend their PS3s and Xbox360s.

Consumer whores

[milkgodnl]

Finally, the Democrats are getting the right idea. Healthcare decisions are now being made by corporate bureaucrats. If you want to know the track record on government bureaucrats consider the higher customer satisfaction among beneficiaries of traditional Medicare as compared to that of those under 65 with private insurance.

[TAz69x]

With the Bullshit talk that long ago insidiously invaded their decaying party, Republicans became irrelevant LONG AGO...

[EmperorKagato]

They're fighting in a corner as the dreaded November is closing in.

[AtheistOnTheEdge]

All this talk won't mean a thing when we have robot doctors and all healthcare is free for everyone.

[temprise]

Palin 33%? PALIN 3FUCKING3%? What is that? What was that poll?

[awerner2007]

i blame the pro-lifers

[YoungBudd]

just another day with the same ol' debate.

[Bi99aDK]

I think every American should watch thae movie from Michael Moore: SiCKO

It's documentary comparing the highly profitable American health care industry to other nations, and HMO horror stories.

Now, anyone who is not for a public option is obviously selfish and they should all be sent to a lonely island somewhere far from here.. so they can enjoy each other (probably end up stabbing each other in the backs, creating a god made of leaves and branches, and somehow find a way to blow up everthing,

[aaronhallam61]

Fat people suck.

[sharinganclan213]

yes they do. and i bet some fat fuck gave u a neg.

[aquamadman]

Ya that's right, because before Jesus healed all of those people he checked their insurance card, then made sure you were not paying for it. Healthcare is the right of every living being on this planet. How can any resonable and caring human being say otherwise?

[Wisegeorge]

Goddamn it, ram it down their throat. They are whining bitches sucking the teet dry. Let Republican liars feel the pain for awhile. Afterall, they made this bed of shit, why shouldn't they sleep in it?

[chingon711]

let the rich bastards pay for health care. enough is enough! lol

[SJamesGray]

Here we go! The first day with clear, constructive discussion on the idea of the public option.

[plumbine]

Our health does not belong in the hands of corporations.

Health is not a luxury, it is a human right. Competition and profiteering of our health is inhumane.

[JJarv213]

Health is not a right. It's a responsibility. We cannot be forced to pay for everyone's irresponsible lifestyle choices. That's the end result of the current insurance system.

[sipefree]

You already pay for people's irresponsible lifestyle choices when you pay for the prison systems.

Healthcare should be a right, like free speech, or religion. The reason for this is simple: when left to their own devices, health insurance companies become greedy and evil. Capitalistic greed is ok for most industries, but deciding who lives and dies based on money that goes into someone's pocket is completely evil. Completely.

[eros1057]

No, healthcare is not a "responsibility." That's an absolutely absurd way of stating what you actually mean which is "Healthcare should only go to those that can pay." Get out of your little suburban home honey and open your eyes; most people are forced into unhealthy lifestyles because of the economic situations they are faced with, not because they want to. Stop being such a greedy pig; you don't think every child deserves healthcare? You don't think disabled people deserve healthcare?

[eros1057]

Also, what are you talking about? The end result of the current system is a bunch of greedy paper pushers trying to make as much money as possible and all of us getting stuck paying outrageously high prices for basic services that are covered for less than 1/2 the cost in every other industrialized country in the world.

[ehkinoh]

"Health is not a right, it's a responsibility"...

Says the young kid who feels invincible.

If you got sick tomorrow and your insurance dropped you stating "preexisting condition" you'd be singing a different tune.

[greatbroad]

Necessity is the Mother of Invention...

We need to invent a new way of providing care to the masses that doesn't crush the middle class into poverty (like it is doing now).

[gisforgary]

1/3 of this country will still vote for sarah palin? dayum we are some stupid idiots.

[GiantTarget]

1/3 of this country still listens to all the hate and disinformation that is choking off any kind of truth that's out there.

[jtilak]

insurance companies have real death panels now. republicans are so good at deceiving people

[SlapHappyWrath]

FIGHT BACK DEMS!!! we have the wits to shut down all this PR propaganda nonsense! For the good of everyone, even the trailer park republicans!

[3star2nr]

common sense = death panels!?

where is the RNC located washington assylum?

come the fuck on man. sit in a fucking corner and get out of the way.

Dems PUBLIC OPTION, pass the bill stop jerking around. You cant mean to tell me they slow down the bill to court 3 republicans and 7 closet republicans!?!

and they are killing the public option to get them?

ccome the fuck on man seriously do the right thing stop messing around

[mehtoole]

Ram it through.

[doink1422]

I don't understand why Americans don't want national Healcare. Medacare is nationally run if they don't want government help so bad. Stop cashing medacare checks. All of congress and the military plus their families get free healcare from the government yet they don't want to give that up. Heal insurance companies are the real death panel they stop expense procedure on people cause it cuts into their profits. Does that make sense to any of you idiots who think socialize medicine is bad?

[tj5555555]

medicare, congress and military health care is not free except to those that get it for free, but someone is paying for it. The average tax payor is paying for it now. The average worker will be paying more later when 47 million more people are added to the "free" health care system. How much more can the average worker pay? Socialized medicine is not bad except for the average worker that has to pay for it. tj

[verstwo2]

Americans already pay for the 47million uninsured when they show up in the ER. It would be mush less expensive to treat them in places other then the ER before they NEED to go to the ER. Right now Billions are being taken out of the system to line the pockets of the CEOs and owners of these corporations. It's fine to make a profit...but not off the backs of the ill. Socialized medicine will beifit everyone except for the filthy rich.

[eros1057]

It needn't even be socialized medicine; costs could be cut dramatically and we'd all be much healthier if we had a single payer system; which is different than socialized medicine and it's important to point that out because a lot of conservatives freak out if you say "socialized." Single payer is simply when the gov't picks up the costs but the doctors are still privately employed; socialized med. is when medical professionals are employed by the government. I agree the rich need not benefit.

[tj5555555]

it will not benefit the working man that will see his medicare / social security deductions from his paycheck increase by double or triple each and every check for the rest of his working life. There will probably be an employer based tax increase also. The more tax money that the small busness owner has to give to the Federal government the harder it will be for the employer to give a well deserved raise year to year. The bottom line will be that the working man will pay, and pay, and pay. tj

[milkgodnl]

The money I pay out-of-pocket for private insurance will simply be applied to a flat tax. So if the flat tax were 5 percent and between me and my employer we are now paying over ten-thousand dollars a year for private insurance, I would be saving money on any earnings less than two-hundred-thousand dollars a year. ...

... My employer and I can live with that ..

... Besides, what's wrong with a flat tax of 5 percent on healthcare if my employer and I dont have to pay for private insurance?

[tj5555555]

What is wrong with it is that it is another new and more tax. Even if you call it a flat tax it will not do away with any of the taxes we pay now. More of anything will cost more for everyone. We are taxed too much as it is now, and we are not getting a fair return for what we pay. tj

[WavesAndRocks]

in the end though, it will increase your spendable income--by creating competition, health insurance prices will go down, meaning EVERYONE is spending less on it. Also, if everyone has insurance, hospitals won't have to charge so much for ER visits since they won't have to make up for uninsured people

[oldtownkid]

You are right, and the only way to actually tackle the problem is to go the Aussie way, Medicare for everyone, from cradle to the grave. Australia is a fairly fiscally conservative country and they have Medicare for all. Insurance companies bring nothing to healthcare, they limit the care that health providers can give, and they overcharge consumers. They are the one variable that is unnecessary in this equation. Insurance Co's are the problem, let's do away with them.

[tj5555555]

socialism, the Aussie way is not the way to go. In a perfect world maybe, but Americans don't want the give up freedom of choice so that everyone can be equally dull. tj

[oldtownkid]

The only ones who have the freedom of choice now are those wealthy greedy pigs that have no business in any aspect of medicine, but to continue sucking us dry. Time will show you that all this anti-healthcare reform movement staged by GOPers is fake and as soon as the Insurnce Co's get a deal where their profitability is not highly affected, the opposition to Obama's plan will disappear. When daddy big business says "I'll take that" GOPers will abandon you again. It's all about greed.

[tj5555555]

otkid: please think about this, your comments lead be to suspect that you DO have the ability and you ARE thinking with a somewhat open mind, so consider this one point. It appears that you are falling into the trap (made by those much higher up the socio-economic food chain) that pits those that have little money power against those that have big money power. That keeps upper, middle & lower classes fighting each other and leaves the super rich of the Federal Reserve System in control. tj

[robinvan1983]

freedom of choice? having an extra public option isn't freedom of choice.... what world are you living in?

[tj5555555]

otkid: Some insurance co's may be a problem, but if you do not identify the largest, you will only be cutting down the up & comming competitors for the mega Federally sanctioned company that is the ultimate insurer ( like LLoydes of London). Don't do the dirty work for your enslavers by cutting down their mid & large size competitors. It's the Federal Control system that should be the target. All other smaller units are just greedy for money whereas the FED is greedy for total control. tj

[alandtami]

Great video. keep them coming we need the truth to cut through right wing lies

[zndprophet]

Did anyone see that poll? 33% of people in it would vote for Sarah Palin?

That is the problem with our country. The worst thing is, that completely BRAINDEAD 33% actually influences people who have some activity going on in their heads not to support a public option-through an indirect form of persuasion.

It's us vs. our stupidity in this country, it really is. And so it's really time for us to tell the stupid people NO! NOT THIS TIME YOU ASSHOLES.

[Richardgwm]

The American healthcare system is a disastrous failure.

[MelanieLouM]

You got that right...we can't afford to get sick here! :'(

[integral]

Would be nice if the Repubs would come up with some constructive ideas for health care reform.

I'm just an idealistic dreamer ;)

[aracdeeditor92]

I guess we all are.

[MooseOfReason]

integral, Libertarians have constructive ideas.

You might call them 'destructive', though, but we have ideas.

[integral]

Haven't heard anything resembling a constructive idea from any Republican. It's clear that they know if Obama passes a strong health care bill they're out of the game for at least the next two elections cycles.

As far as Libertarianism goes, it's an intellectual cheat (and from the behavior of some alleged Libertarians at the town halls I hesitate to use the word "intellectual"). They're crying to be free of government restraint, but only up to a point.

[voyeurdug]

Healthcare quality - spiraling down

Healthcare costs - spiraling up

And that's the status quo.

Who would want that?

Not me.

[terrence0258]

Then you must not be a Republican.

[cosmosgato]

Obama F&%$ed this up.

He's not ready for prime time.

[commandolam]

obama

2020

[acelafan123]

great vid