She doesn't know my foot she does no she's trying her best to work things out even her own step dad is trying to help her by trying to be there and go out and do teenager things together
Ive never had a good relation ship with my dad. I've haven't had one at all actually. When Melissa and Kip hugged it made me cry. I am very happy that they sorted things out.
Melissa, you're such a poor thing... I hope you're better now? Well, if not, you can always call for Joe again if you run out of ideas on how to control the kids!
not joking or anything but when they're signing they move their mouths but it's completely different from the interpreter.. they're deaf but it looks like they're trying to speak another language O.o
@YoYoItBeJane it is. ASL as it's own grammar. For "I am not going to the store because I'm broke." You would actually sign "Store I go not, why? money none.", with the aproppriate facial expressions. And for "What is your name?" You would actually sign "You name what?" With the correct facial expressions.
I don't believe the mother didn't not know how her daughter felt. I think she just didn't care I'm sure the girl has told her before she just didn't listen. The girl feels like this is just an old song and dance.
I love how Melissa and Kip are building a relationship. That is so important since he's the stepdad and she's the stepdaughter. And it is SO GREAT that the kids are learning ASL! I think that that was a big part of the kids' behavior problems. They're parents just couldn't communicate with them.
why bothering by rules and waste money on monitor phones and shit ,BEAT UR CHILDREN, it works just a hard slap they would shut the fuck up or a yell and trust me it doesnt hurt in the future as some people say, Note: iwas raised like that and we had no problems
@cinnabunny33 igot beaten up from them idont think that there is something wrong with me and idont haver any problems with my arents hitting me wherenever ido anything wrong and im and by the way im from the usa
@cinnabunny33 What are you talking about!!! Omg its nothing wrong with spanking them unless u use a knife r something wth did ur parents do and whoever thumbs up on ur comment is dumb.
quick question. I'm not slamming deaf poeple. i love them like i would love anybody else. But when they talk, they slurr or messup their words. Is that part of being deaf or are there some who can speak clearly?
@teenpain7 For deaf people, it's really hard to speak clearly, 'cause they don't know how words sound. They can't hear how words are pronounced, so it's really hard to learn the words.
@teenpain7 The way these parents talk is actually called "deaf speech". As teenpain7 said, they can't hear the subtle, quiet sounds of our language and they have trouble distinguishing the vowel sounds correctly. If they are profoundly deaf, there aren't any that I know of who speak clearly.
I have respect for Melissa.. I'm going to be 18 very soon but not have to put up with 3 young siblings with terrible behavior.. not that I'm rubbing it in to her face or anything but shes so strong with her family and yes she deserves as much respect as possible
@rachm1991 well there is nothing else that can be done because the kids find the whole ting as a game indicated here when the girls were giggling while being lead back into their room. Once they get bored of the game, then they stop and finally go to bed
be good!i am 1990 in august on the 10 th i am 19in a halve and i am being good up a storm.i have alot of skills.i went camping 10 000 times i am an expert camper.i know past the 18 years where sad but i am an offical.i realy am.i want you to know my favroite song.my song is:the happy happy joy joy song.stinky wizzle teets:happy happy jo joy happy happy joy joy...happy happy joy joy happy happy joy joy.happy happy, joy-joy-happy happy joy joy, happy happyjoey,joey, joey!
i cant believe her parents didnt realize the way they were treating melissa. she's only 18, she's never been out with friends ( well maybe once or twice). its like she became the maid / mom
i go to high school and used to be in the same class as a girl who was raised by deaf parents and she diddn't turn out like the kids in this video... I guess everyone differs
I don't blame Melissa for exploding on her parents. I would too if I was trying to tell my parents how I felt and they weren't so much listening to me as well as making excuses.
@killetrocitystick just because you are deaf it doesn't mean that you can't take care of your kids. There are blind parents, or handicapped parents that take care of their children.
@dramaqueen465 Just because you are deaf does not mean you can't raise your own kids. There are people who are blind or can't walk that raise their children just fun. Of course there are challenges but you can see that they are ruining their daughter's life and also their younger children don't respect them anymore.
I wonder how those kids understand the bedtime stories their parents read to them if they really know that little sign language? Why didn't they already know sign language to begin with?
Oh, I'm so frustrated with these parents. "Melissa should have told us a long time ago", "Melissa should help us with the kids", "Our kids are devils"... etc... Because, you know, they are the parents, who have raised these kids and to whom they are still kids no matter how old or devilish they are.
What it represents to me is that the parents were responsible enough to use birth control while Melissa was growing up. lol
She's about a decade older than the oldest of her sisters. They had time to teach her proper sign language and dish out proper discipline because they only had one to deal with.
Where along the line the parents became so irresponsible, popping out one kid after another so close in age... and WHY... I have no idea.
That's because Melissa had a different father.. from divorce/death I don't know, but the father in this episode is her step father. They say that they've been married for about nine years, the oldest is about eight so that would be about right.
Hey, what's wrong with you? She isn't fat at all. You can't say that because you can see, CLEARLY, that she isn't fat at all. SMH I just wish that you give her more of a positive look, NOT A NEGATIVE ONE!!!
i know! I remember being little and getting up at five int he morning to watch cartoons. refusing to take naps. by high school i wanted to LOBBY for a naptime and was happy sleep in til noon. XD
@JacksVendetta Hi! my name is tash (jack'svendetta Aka jackasswhorevendetta). I'm a closet pedo who makes creepy videos and hates to admit my sexual desires, I have at least 3 or 4 fake accounts like charcleared, omlet munkey.. loves to stalk people on youtube, likes to block people who say anything remotely offensive towards my creepy videos or me 'cause I can't take criticism and it really hurts since truth hurts. No one likes me or my videos so I make fake accounts and subscribe to myself.
@JacksVendetta And I still indulge in that kids stuff, since I turned out to be a pedophile who stalks people on the internet. Jackvendetta = P E D O P H I L E
aaaah, so melissa seems to be the half sister, kip isnt her dad but is the dad of the younger ones. Its the same situation I had, I had to bring up my mums two other kids but it destroyed me.
Im glad they are getting it together now before melissa does go off the rails like I did.
Melissa is a very nice girl. :))
MultiBeiberfan101 5 days ago
She does get treated with respect like wow
preciouseloveu 2 weeks ago
She doesn't know my foot she does no she's trying her best to work things out even her own step dad is trying to help her by trying to be there and go out and do teenager things together
preciouseloveu 2 weeks ago
It's called a library go look up a book on Sign Language and read the hole book
preciouseloveu 2 weeks ago
I like Melissa's hair in this video
preciouseloveu 2 weeks ago
did the mother give birth to all 3?
heavennoseven 3 weeks ago
i feel bad for the oldest kid.
heavennoseven 3 weeks ago
Ive never had a good relation ship with my dad. I've haven't had one at all actually. When Melissa and Kip hugged it made me cry. I am very happy that they sorted things out.
Arjjones 1 month ago
Super glue them to the bed :D
glittery4life 1 month ago
Oh screw off with these 'poor melissa' comments..She does not have that much responsibility
guest062888 1 month ago
@guest062888 omg, you have no idea...just because this show doesnt show it all, doesnt mean its not there
MyManOWarSmiles 1 month ago
i never knew sign language could be sounded out
MrShitstirer 2 months ago
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MunkyDopey 4 months ago
Melissa....your f*ing awsome sweetie :O)
milovela1983 5 months ago 24
Wow those kids are real assholes.
Stifflerkid 5 months ago
Okay, Melissa's problem is settled. Now for the brats... *glares mentally*
iluvyamamototakeshi 5 months ago 17
Melissa, you're such a poor thing... I hope you're better now? Well, if not, you can always call for Joe again if you run out of ideas on how to control the kids!
iluvyamamototakeshi 5 months ago
oh gosh this made me cry!!!
newsgirl132 5 months ago
You are such a good lady ''Malissa''
Peatlyn 5 months ago
That's harsh taking the rest of the family out to eat when one person is at work :/
LeoDeGrand 6 months ago 4
@LeoDeGrand my life..
love4life365 5 months ago
not joking or anything but when they're signing they move their mouths but it's completely different from the interpreter.. they're deaf but it looks like they're trying to speak another language O.o
YoYoItBeJane 6 months ago
@YoYoItBeJane it is. ASL as it's own grammar. For "I am not going to the store because I'm broke." You would actually sign "Store I go not, why? money none.", with the aproppriate facial expressions. And for "What is your name?" You would actually sign "You name what?" With the correct facial expressions.
pookymuffin101 3 months ago
Awwwwwwww
JedediahForeverMD 6 months ago
I wanna feel you melissa
mexijew 7 months ago
what`s camera is this? 6:50
iTorsvik 7 months ago
@iTorsvik
.. I don't understand what your asking?
HipsterKatt 7 months ago
Oh God there's nothing a good hard smack wouldn't solve. If she bawls throw her in the Dumpster.
taylorswift091196 7 months ago
@taylorswift091196 and traumatize her for life?
JrockLoverYuu 7 months ago
@JrockLoverYuu well at least that would stop her from being a little bitch and thinking everyone else owes her something.
taylorswift091196 7 months ago
I keep Melissa in my prayers of her well-being
~Peace
GingerGal23456 7 months ago
Fernie Rod reminds me of Jo Frost
mileycyrus14ishify 7 months ago
Poor Melissa. She deserves respect, especially with her parents.
mackywacky00 7 months ago
wow.... Melissa cursed her mom out(poor family)may god help u
goodman67100 8 months ago
awwhhh my heart goes for melissa poor beautifull girl :(
TheArabGirl123 8 months ago
I don't believe the mother didn't not know how her daughter felt. I think she just didn't care I'm sure the girl has told her before she just didn't listen. The girl feels like this is just an old song and dance.
kalara75 9 months ago 3
@kalara75 of course she didn't listen, she's deaf
sorry sorry, bad joke ._.
Deshinffxi 8 months ago 3
uhhh i shouldn't have NOT watch this at 1:30 am .. I hate crying before going to bed.
loly009 10 months ago
Melissa, poor girl.... I bet the stress has affected her in multiple ways
Peiazjaeh 10 months ago
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z00ty 10 months ago
Come on, Dororthy and Kip, Melissa needs some respect.
waterfairy555 11 months ago 2
I love how Melissa and Kip are building a relationship. That is so important since he's the stepdad and she's the stepdaughter. And it is SO GREAT that the kids are learning ASL! I think that that was a big part of the kids' behavior problems. They're parents just couldn't communicate with them.
WOP1967 11 months ago
I loved when Melissa and Kip made up. And when Melissa told Kip that she loved him, it made me want to cry! Aw :) It totally melted my heart :)
MinPinGirl97 1 year ago 5
you know that this is a REALITY show so its all just staged
at least in germany it is like that
Dubberware 1 year ago
@Dubberware no it is NOT.
hotcat70 1 year ago
@hotcat70 i said its that way in GERMANY dunno how it is in england but at my home its all just a big blunder
Dubberware 1 year ago
you know that this is a REALITY show so its all just staged
Dubberware 1 year ago
i cried
addisonjourney2011 1 year ago
Jo is like Nanny McPhee; without the magic cane. :)
potatoyumyum89 1 year ago
why bothering by rules and waste money on monitor phones and shit ,BEAT UR CHILDREN, it works just a hard slap they would shut the fuck up or a yell and trust me it doesnt hurt in the future as some people say, Note: iwas raised like that and we had no problems
angryXJOKER 1 year ago
@angryXJOKER the thing is that it's ILLEGAL in many countries. Also, some parents take it too far and the kids get traumatized or even hurt.
NattyIzCrazzy 1 year ago 2
@angryXJOKER creates soooo many probelms later in life. abusive childhoods create messed up adults
cinnabunny33 1 year ago 3
@cinnabunny33 igot beaten up from them idont think that there is something wrong with me and idont haver any problems with my arents hitting me wherenever ido anything wrong and im and by the way im from the usa
angryXJOKER 1 year ago
@cinnabunny33 What are you talking about!!! Omg its nothing wrong with spanking them unless u use a knife r something wth did ur parents do and whoever thumbs up on ur comment is dumb.
apples2202 10 months ago
Melissa has ALL the right to get mad!
xFuschiaCherry 1 year ago 3
SUPER NANNY IS AWESOME!!!!!
MysticdogTamama14WP 1 year ago 4
i feel bad for Melissa :(
MysticdogTamama14WP 1 year ago 2
POOR MELISSA
13monkeysrcool 1 year ago 2
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imnotacarebear 1 year ago
Supernanny Rules
JasielMartin92 1 year ago
This Episode is Good.And Im Glad that Melissa that she is going to be respected
JasielMartin92 1 year ago
quick question. I'm not slamming deaf poeple. i love them like i would love anybody else. But when they talk, they slurr or messup their words. Is that part of being deaf or are there some who can speak clearly?
once again, not slamming, just curious.
teenpain7 1 year ago
@teenpain7 For deaf people, it's really hard to speak clearly, 'cause they don't know how words sound. They can't hear how words are pronounced, so it's really hard to learn the words.
Myumeful 1 year ago
@teenpain7 The way these parents talk is actually called "deaf speech". As teenpain7 said, they can't hear the subtle, quiet sounds of our language and they have trouble distinguishing the vowel sounds correctly. If they are profoundly deaf, there aren't any that I know of who speak clearly.
13jbarner 1 year ago
yeah i feel bad for melissa
MsFullHouse12 1 year ago
no nanny 911 kicks supernanny in the butt
MsFullHouse12 1 year ago
i think melissa's really strong for her age. (Y)
inspireon 1 year ago
how the hell can u tell deft people to shut up
weatherfreak123 1 year ago
melissa is very mean show some respect ur mom is deaf thank god am not ur mom
ellehoh 1 year ago
I have respect for Melissa.. I'm going to be 18 very soon but not have to put up with 3 young siblings with terrible behavior.. not that I'm rubbing it in to her face or anything but shes so strong with her family and yes she deserves as much respect as possible
7MasterJedi7 1 year ago
melissa is an AMAZING woman. i wish there were updates and follow ups.
candycakeshake 1 year ago 3
Those bedtime routines, first time, second time, third time, and so on, must be so annoying until the children finally give in. -.-
rachm1991 1 year ago
@rachm1991 well there is nothing else that can be done because the kids find the whole ting as a game indicated here when the girls were giggling while being lead back into their room. Once they get bored of the game, then they stop and finally go to bed
dance2themax22 1 year ago
I think these aint acted, not like the German one LOOL
MegaFuckyouforever 1 year ago
lol everyone's fat there....the mom and dad are fat, the translator, and even the Nanny wahahahahah
MegaFuckyouforever 1 year ago
@MegaFuckyouforever Lmaoooo very very very funny i said the same exact thing
Jadabada121 1 year ago
This is the best episode of Supernanny...
gurreras 1 year ago 2
mellisas awesome
candygirl1234ist 1 year ago 3
Melissa is such a strong 18 year old
smileyfan16 1 year ago 45
Melissa works two jobs and helps her parents with the kids.Does she have any time for herself?
jaydee624 1 year ago 8
@jaydee624 i know right
HipieGirl1786 1 year ago
@jaydee624 hence the break down.
Arieona 1 year ago
be good!i am 1990 in august on the 10 th i am 19in a halve and i am being good up a storm.i have alot of skills.i went camping 10 000 times i am an expert camper.i know past the 18 years where sad but i am an offical.i realy am.i want you to know my favroite song.my song is:the happy happy joy joy song.stinky wizzle teets:happy happy jo joy happy happy joy joy...happy happy joy joy happy happy joy joy.happy happy, joy-joy-happy happy joy joy, happy happyjoey,joey, joey!
mcctatas 1 year ago
She's lovely and strong, god bless Melissa!
cornwallgeezer 1 year ago 5
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Melissa is so sexy
alibasit159 1 year ago
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Melissa is so sexy
alibasit159 1 year ago
Melissa is so sexy
alibasit159 1 year ago
poor Kip
TheChainsOFMisery 1 year ago
i cant believe her parents didnt realize the way they were treating melissa. she's only 18, she's never been out with friends ( well maybe once or twice). its like she became the maid / mom
HYDfan99 1 year ago 6
@HYDfan99 i no what you meen.. but its hard for the parents but they still shoudnt treat melissa like a third parent
Lexie2761 1 year ago
Is this the GB or US version?
Leonid122 1 year ago
@Leonid122 lol lol lol on you its canadian now isnt that a hoot!
squeaky00 1 year ago
i go to high school and used to be in the same class as a girl who was raised by deaf parents and she diddn't turn out like the kids in this video... I guess everyone differs
WHiPCPL 1 year ago
@WHiPCPL you think!!?
squeaky00 1 year ago
@cloud4an
Why?
Melven200 1 year ago
Melissa is cute
Sussi3107 1 year ago 9
At that point i would've done the same thing, only i love my parents too much. I bet she comes back after she thinks.
Keevin80021 1 year ago
I don't blame Melissa for exploding on her parents. I would too if I was trying to tell my parents how I felt and they weren't so much listening to me as well as making excuses.
FantasmaLuna 1 year ago 7
these people need to raise their own goddamn kids, not dumping it on their other daughter.
dramaqueen465 1 year ago 28
@dramaqueen465 They're deaf you retard.
killetrocitystick 5 months ago
@killetrocitystick just because you are deaf it doesn't mean that you can't take care of your kids. There are blind parents, or handicapped parents that take care of their children.
dramaqueen465 5 months ago 6
@dramaqueen465 Just because you are deaf does not mean you can't raise your own kids. There are people who are blind or can't walk that raise their children just fun. Of course there are challenges but you can see that they are ruining their daughter's life and also their younger children don't respect them anymore.
dramaqueen465 5 months ago
I really don't want to be funny, but the dad's name is the Dutch word for 'chicken'.. O.o
It's really interesting, this family, I think, even though it must be difficult to learn the signlanguage.. And to use it.
GoatBlaat 1 year ago
I didn't cry but I sure felt a tiny little lightning bolt of sympathy that's for sure.
stealthbeast 1 year ago
I cried, too...
femaleforester 1 year ago
Oh my gosh. I'm crying.
Lookdownhereiam 1 year ago 2
i feel for u melissa
middletonsindelaware 2 years ago 77
@middletonsindelaware haha yeah she's a poor girl in a hard position LOL and I'm Melissa too:D
taylorswift091196 7 months ago
I wonder how those kids understand the bedtime stories their parents read to them if they really know that little sign language? Why didn't they already know sign language to begin with?
Nine00 2 years ago 5
And that's why Jo made this the very first point of discussion at the parents meeting. It should have been done long before then.
reedermh 2 years ago 5
the daughter wasn't looking at his hands, she was looking at the book
lawngnomez 1 year ago 2
oh my,i bursted out of tears when she(melissa) said "cause i love you"...oh,,,such a touching moment...T,T
lova368 2 years ago 22
omg same that girl is remarkable it really touched me
l0seit 2 years ago 7
although i am afraid to admit it i cried when she said she loved him... i think it's because ive been drinking tonight, and yeah im a guy.
45axelh 1 year ago 5
@45axelh lol....
Teebanjo 1 year ago
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how about i go in and smack their bum bums and then i can talk with the parents about me buying one of them so i can shove my peni up their bum bum
gaydormcbumfeeler 2 years ago
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rydag11 2 years ago
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lock all 3 in a room with like 4 cameras then watch them die :)
dietisgreat 2 years ago
i agree with dietisgreat LOL
liloboy911808 2 years ago
Oh, I'm so frustrated with these parents. "Melissa should have told us a long time ago", "Melissa should help us with the kids", "Our kids are devils"... etc... Because, you know, they are the parents, who have raised these kids and to whom they are still kids no matter how old or devilish they are.
Squirrelunderabus 2 years ago 15
It's amazing Melissa turned out as responsible as she did with parents like these. She's remarkable.
Tarotlynx 2 years ago 25
What it represents to me is that the parents were responsible enough to use birth control while Melissa was growing up. lol
She's about a decade older than the oldest of her sisters. They had time to teach her proper sign language and dish out proper discipline because they only had one to deal with.
Where along the line the parents became so irresponsible, popping out one kid after another so close in age... and WHY... I have no idea.
tygersflowerz 2 years ago 6
Kip is her step dad. He's only been with the mother about 9 years. They say so in the episode. And having 3 young kids is not so uncommon.
apricot5 2 years ago 4
That's because Melissa had a different father.. from divorce/death I don't know, but the father in this episode is her step father. They say that they've been married for about nine years, the oldest is about eight so that would be about right.
Dannyri101 2 years ago 11
kip was right him and melissa did need that hug it was so obvious she loves him the way she was so hostile to hm its because she wanted his love
marieluvschris 2 years ago 7
this blowup has probably been building for years, that girl needs to get the hell out of there
bcak78 2 years ago 8
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Melissa is a fat stupid cunt.
The3rdHiltonSister 2 years ago
Hey, what's wrong with you? She isn't fat at all. You can't say that because you can see, CLEARLY, that she isn't fat at all. SMH I just wish that you give her more of a positive look, NOT A NEGATIVE ONE!!!
playmaniagone 2 years ago 10
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RetardShittyMan 2 years ago
Melissa deserves respects. She is only 18.
petermullinvideos 2 years ago 196
@petermullinvideos *I* wanna cry, i cant IMMAGINE how SHe feels!!
KeswickCamp08 1 year ago
@petermullinvideos i know
lpsbakugan1 1 year ago
I'm glad that Melissa got her feelings out.
Better late then never.
PhotoFilmEffect 2 years ago 22
Aww how sweet and strong is Melissa. I like her personality.
Nadine91273 2 years ago 29
poor melissa
letssmilexo 2 years ago 12
why don't kids wanna go to bed?
one day they will appreciate SLEEP!
XxDizzyRhizxX 2 years ago 28
lol you have a point
mayoush87 2 years ago 4
i know! I remember being little and getting up at five int he morning to watch cartoons. refusing to take naps. by high school i wanted to LOBBY for a naptime and was happy sleep in til noon. XD
JacksVendetta 2 years ago 14
yeah me too...and on school days i never used to get up early but on the weekends i was up really early to watch disney cartoons...good times!
XxDizzyRhizxX 2 years ago 12
@JacksVendetta Hi! my name is tash (jack'svendetta Aka jackasswhorevendetta). I'm a closet pedo who makes creepy videos and hates to admit my sexual desires, I have at least 3 or 4 fake accounts like charcleared, omlet munkey.. loves to stalk people on youtube, likes to block people who say anything remotely offensive towards my creepy videos or me 'cause I can't take criticism and it really hurts since truth hurts. No one likes me or my videos so I make fake accounts and subscribe to myself.
Jackswhorevendetta 6 months ago
@JacksVendetta And I still indulge in that kids stuff, since I turned out to be a pedophile who stalks people on the internet. Jackvendetta = P E D O P H I L E
Jackswhorevendetta 6 months ago
how true.!!!!
netchecker3 2 years ago 4
lol it is true!
XxDizzyRhizxX 2 years ago 3
HAHA, very true.
bubrockit 2 years ago 2
Your rite about that lol
lv4eva1 2 years ago
the trouble is not they are deaf only they just dont know how to raise children! they are lucky to have a daughter like melissa
mujkocka 2 years ago 7
They did need that hug!
D:
SnarkyFuzzFox 2 years ago 3
supernanny kicks nanny 911's ass!
cloud4an 2 years ago 94
Nanny 911 was a bit shallow. The behavior modification wasn't focused like this.
MondoBeno 2 years ago 16
@cloud4an thats for sure!
CUPCAKE100673 1 year ago
aww this had tears in my eyes it was great to see melissa communicate its so sweet
jksangel4life 2 years ago 10
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MELLISSA Mellissa she did't know
SuperNanny3 2 years ago
It's MELISSA. That's my name.
BAYERME 2 years ago
aaaah, so melissa seems to be the half sister, kip isnt her dad but is the dad of the younger ones. Its the same situation I had, I had to bring up my mums two other kids but it destroyed me.
Im glad they are getting it together now before melissa does go off the rails like I did.
the7thwreck 2 years ago 7
I cried when i see this....
behabella 2 years ago 3
melissa looks a lot like her mother
ofxxxthexxxflowers 2 years ago 5
melissa looks so worn out i feel bad for her
farleyriver 2 years ago 6
Yeah. Wow. Look at 0:16. She looks like she hasn't gotten any sleep in ages.
Imananimegod 2 years ago 2
if i was melissa after cussing i would cry and need a hug or something
SuperNanny3 2 years ago 7
i would hug jo and just cry
SuperNanny3 2 years ago 7
this so cool
i know asl because my best friend is deaf and i could read what was happening
ilovejjlc 2 years ago 3
I think Melissa is an adult and she has been an adult for too long to be her mother's child.
zeldaofarel 3 years ago 13