I never thought Pava would ever sing che gelida manina half step lower... =( I know that everyone wants a che gelida manina in its original key.. but, well, maybe pava was not in his best at this time.. though, still he is the best Rudolfo. Tenors have their bad days. even Pava! come on! he is still human with the voice of an angel.. =)
@MusicalTenor23 Actually, after some time (I don't know exactly when), he never sang in the right key again, in live auditions. This aria is tremendously difficult, there's no shame to transpose it half tone lower.
Just some tenors, like Kraus, Bonisolli, and Lauri-Volpi sang that in the right key, everytime.
has sido, eres y serás la voz más grande de todos los tiempos... con el do de pecho que has dado, raro es que no se produzca un escalofrio constante y los bellos de punta en el cuerpo, DESCANSA EN PAZ MAESTRO.
He was lucky not to blow his B here, he came close. There's a 1986 Vienna broadcast in which he's in much better form than here, they applaud for something like 5 minutes.
Heh. You're an idiot. No one almost blows any note. Either you blow it or you don't. 'almost' blow it, and you're singing flat or sharp. Learn music theory, dummy ;)
Listen to yourself, dummy. How does one come 'close' to cracking? Do you almost crack a plate? Do you own an 'almost' cracked plate? Hehe. Again, either your voice is thin or it's not, either it cracks or it doesn't. A thin note means only that it's thin. This is called voice 'dynamics'. Either a voice cracks or it doesn't. Understand? Face it. You don't know voicings or theory. You embarrass yourself. Now stop sending me messages. I can no longer waste my time with ya. ;)
You're embarrassing yourself. You can almost crack a plate. A plate will crack if a certain pressure is applied to it. If a force is applied that is almost, but not quite, enough to crack it, one can say that it almost cracked. I have a plate which didn't crack when I dropped it; I don't know exactly how close it came to cracking, but I'd say it almost cracked. A voice acts in a similar way, if the airflow is compromised by tension, the tone becomes thinner and may eventually crack.
Here, Pavarotti's high note is somewhat strained, and the tone is thinner than the rest of the voice. A tone is not either thin or not thin; there is a wealth of different tone thicknesses. Tone thickness can change; good singers can control it. A singer doesn't just switch between 'thick tone' and 'thin tone'. Therefore, your statement that tone is either thick or thin is so wrong. It is blatant that you lack knowledge on singing.
i love love the maestro! moor, i think what alt is saying is that either the plate is cracked or not, like, for example, either a statement is true or false. it cant be almost true or almost false. if it was, then it would not be true to begin with if it has degrees of falseness inherent. pavarotti is superb in this performance. and alt is right when he says voice dynamics. i looked it up. it means soft or loud stylings of a voice. here pavarotti means to go soft. its voice styling.
The cracking or not cracking of a note does not relate to the dynamics in this case. Tonal emission is not relevant to dynamics in this case. Pavarotti's voice becomes thinner due to less support; this is not an attempt to sing more quietly. And, in any case, there is a huge range of dynamics.
i don't want to take sides, but mooorhe, i think the point is if you hit a b on the piano, it is never almost a b, because if it is, then it is a b flat or a b sharp. you're wrong. its simple really.
You are using a disingenuous example; on a piano, one can only play 12 notes (C C# D D# E F F# G G# A A# B), and provided it is correctly tuned, you cannot hit any of these notes sharp or flat without playing another note. A singer can hit notes a hair flat (just a Hz or two under the pitch for the desired note) and one can say that it is almost the desired note. This is similar to the cracking I spoke of; Pavarotti almost cracked but didn't. The result is an uncracked but strained note.
I give you a green hand, I must admit that all you have just said is correct. The problem here Mooorhe is that the love for Luciano blinds people out the cannot see beyond themself. Spot on moorhe
@tena2 Who the hell are you? A no talent idiot on the internet. You critiquing one of the two greatest tenors that ever lived is beyond hilarious. Let me lay out the facts you clueless fool. Pavarotti has forgotten more about opera in a second than you'll ever know in 10 lifetimes. So do us all a favor and shut up.
I'd love to see you forced to perform this opera piece. I can only imagine the hilarity that would ensue.
@HTHAMMACK1 Do we all have to have your opera taste?? are we bound to? I thought I had to. I admit the talent on Luciano´s voice. He was a fantastic tenor but not a fantastic opera interpreter. Have you got the enough manners to take what I said without insulting. This is for opera educated commenters not fot soccers game people. Do you see what I mean? so chill out with me and make a constructive opinion unless you are who do me a favor and not bother in replaying. Ta.
you're right, but you don't have to be so mean. be nice. if he doesn't know music theory, then teach him like i did. not everyone knows theory, but no one deserves to be called a dummy.
Pavarotti was in perfect shape this evening, superb performance, stunning quality, one of the best Bohemes caught on videotape he ever did on stage. Chinese people were crazy about him, I remember he told they made a huge ovation after every higher or more powerful note. Jeee.. I'd like to be on that stage and have those ovations, our Magnificent One really earned and deserved them. Thank you, Dee!
Oh this time I am the first, thee dear Dee for this wonderful video congratulating can. Everything is perfect, this aria, sung by Luciano, simply wonderful. The quality of your videos are simply excellent, I thank thee for this wonderful performance, thank thee ...
This is my favorite tenor aria.
MsPhoneMonkey 4 months ago
I never thought Pava would ever sing che gelida manina half step lower... =( I know that everyone wants a che gelida manina in its original key.. but, well, maybe pava was not in his best at this time.. though, still he is the best Rudolfo. Tenors have their bad days. even Pava! come on! he is still human with the voice of an angel.. =)
MusicalTenor23 1 year ago
@MusicalTenor23 Actually, after some time (I don't know exactly when), he never sang in the right key again, in live auditions. This aria is tremendously difficult, there's no shame to transpose it half tone lower.
Just some tenors, like Kraus, Bonisolli, and Lauri-Volpi sang that in the right key, everytime.
TurandotFanatic 8 months ago
Kraus was good, but none of those tenors are in Pavarotti's league.
HTHAMMACK1 1 month ago
has sido, eres y serás la voz más grande de todos los tiempos... con el do de pecho que has dado, raro es que no se produzca un escalofrio constante y los bellos de punta en el cuerpo, DESCANSA EN PAZ MAESTRO.
joselmtpower 1 year ago
LOL at a bunch of armchair critics having the audacity to judge the greatest opera singer that ever lived, or one of the two best at worst.
HTHAMMACK1 1 year ago
this is so half tone down, still so young and singing down, this has not got any merit to me. Does not sound too bad though.
tena2 2 years ago
@tena2 Young? He was 51 years old in this performance.
Honken 1 year ago
@tena2 young?He is 51!!
MariaCallasLegend 6 months ago
How very beautiful thank you so very much for sharing this, one of my favorites but I have never seen this video before.
Jo
Savoyard36 2 years ago
He was lucky not to blow his B here, he came close. There's a 1986 Vienna broadcast in which he's in much better form than here, they applaud for something like 5 minutes.
Mooorhe 2 years ago
Heh. You're an idiot. No one almost blows any note. Either you blow it or you don't. 'almost' blow it, and you're singing flat or sharp. Learn music theory, dummy ;)
Alteredtaint 2 years ago
The idiot is you. Granted 'blowing' isn't a particularly technical term, the statement was correct; his voice thinned and he came close to cracking.
Mooorhe 2 years ago
Listen to yourself, dummy. How does one come 'close' to cracking? Do you almost crack a plate? Do you own an 'almost' cracked plate? Hehe. Again, either your voice is thin or it's not, either it cracks or it doesn't. A thin note means only that it's thin. This is called voice 'dynamics'. Either a voice cracks or it doesn't. Understand? Face it. You don't know voicings or theory. You embarrass yourself. Now stop sending me messages. I can no longer waste my time with ya. ;)
Alteredtaint 2 years ago
You're embarrassing yourself. You can almost crack a plate. A plate will crack if a certain pressure is applied to it. If a force is applied that is almost, but not quite, enough to crack it, one can say that it almost cracked. I have a plate which didn't crack when I dropped it; I don't know exactly how close it came to cracking, but I'd say it almost cracked. A voice acts in a similar way, if the airflow is compromised by tension, the tone becomes thinner and may eventually crack.
Mooorhe 2 years ago
Here, Pavarotti's high note is somewhat strained, and the tone is thinner than the rest of the voice. A tone is not either thin or not thin; there is a wealth of different tone thicknesses. Tone thickness can change; good singers can control it. A singer doesn't just switch between 'thick tone' and 'thin tone'. Therefore, your statement that tone is either thick or thin is so wrong. It is blatant that you lack knowledge on singing.
Mooorhe 2 years ago
i love love the maestro! moor, i think what alt is saying is that either the plate is cracked or not, like, for example, either a statement is true or false. it cant be almost true or almost false. if it was, then it would not be true to begin with if it has degrees of falseness inherent. pavarotti is superb in this performance. and alt is right when he says voice dynamics. i looked it up. it means soft or loud stylings of a voice. here pavarotti means to go soft. its voice styling.
ArtinBonsai 2 years ago
Don't bother, my friend. He's not the sharpest tool in the shed.
Alteredtaint 2 years ago
I'm certainly sharper than you. I notice that you neglected to respond to my comment. Good choice; you wouldn't want to embarrass yourself further.
Mooorhe 2 years ago
The cracking or not cracking of a note does not relate to the dynamics in this case. Tonal emission is not relevant to dynamics in this case. Pavarotti's voice becomes thinner due to less support; this is not an attempt to sing more quietly. And, in any case, there is a huge range of dynamics.
Mooorhe 2 years ago
i don't want to take sides, but mooorhe, i think the point is if you hit a b on the piano, it is never almost a b, because if it is, then it is a b flat or a b sharp. you're wrong. its simple really.
BunMamNgon 2 years ago
You are using a disingenuous example; on a piano, one can only play 12 notes (C C# D D# E F F# G G# A A# B), and provided it is correctly tuned, you cannot hit any of these notes sharp or flat without playing another note. A singer can hit notes a hair flat (just a Hz or two under the pitch for the desired note) and one can say that it is almost the desired note. This is similar to the cracking I spoke of; Pavarotti almost cracked but didn't. The result is an uncracked but strained note.
Mooorhe 2 years ago
He definitely does crack the B.
tdeane34 2 years ago
@tdeane34 he does not crack it!!!
TheGoldenWizard 1 year ago
I give you a green hand, I must admit that all you have just said is correct. The problem here Mooorhe is that the love for Luciano blinds people out the cannot see beyond themself. Spot on moorhe
tena2 2 years ago
@tena2 Who the hell are you? A no talent idiot on the internet. You critiquing one of the two greatest tenors that ever lived is beyond hilarious. Let me lay out the facts you clueless fool. Pavarotti has forgotten more about opera in a second than you'll ever know in 10 lifetimes. So do us all a favor and shut up.
I'd love to see you forced to perform this opera piece. I can only imagine the hilarity that would ensue.
HTHAMMACK1 1 year ago
@HTHAMMACK1 Do we all have to have your opera taste?? are we bound to? I thought I had to. I admit the talent on Luciano´s voice. He was a fantastic tenor but not a fantastic opera interpreter. Have you got the enough manners to take what I said without insulting. This is for opera educated commenters not fot soccers game people. Do you see what I mean? so chill out with me and make a constructive opinion unless you are who do me a favor and not bother in replaying. Ta.
tena2 1 year ago
you're right, but you don't have to be so mean. be nice. if he doesn't know music theory, then teach him like i did. not everyone knows theory, but no one deserves to be called a dummy.
BunMamNgon 2 years ago
Thank you very much dee, this is beautiful this rendition of Che gelida manina. Luciano is wonderful. I love him so much.
loveluciano1 2 years ago
Pavarotti was in perfect shape this evening, superb performance, stunning quality, one of the best Bohemes caught on videotape he ever did on stage. Chinese people were crazy about him, I remember he told they made a huge ovation after every higher or more powerful note. Jeee.. I'd like to be on that stage and have those ovations, our Magnificent One really earned and deserved them. Thank you, Dee!
ILoveTobin 2 years ago
Oh this time I am the first, thee dear Dee for this wonderful video congratulating can. Everything is perfect, this aria, sung by Luciano, simply wonderful. The quality of your videos are simply excellent, I thank thee for this wonderful performance, thank thee ...
modenacon 2 years ago
Actually, I wanted to be the first, but we watched this at the same time again. :)
ILoveTobin 2 years ago