League of Legends - S2 Jungle Jax

[Sinbursty]

@stonewall008 do u build that vamp scepter into a wriggles lantern or just skip it and go for a fast gunblade

[sayyourprayers666]

just wondering if hybrid pen marks would be a good option

[TheNinjaBreadMan1]

does this work without armor yellow?

[Jacobgame]

Do it really matter what color the runes have?

[Eric101point101]

@Jacobgame Go look at the the three colours with the same stat, say flat AD.

Red is more than twice both Blue and Yellow.

They're all stronger with certain stats.

[AdamSam18]

@AvariaDemon in colbycheeze jax first impressive got his build

[pilasot]

i am a huge fan of jax... i am trying to play him with:

masteries 12/9/9

quints movement

red ad damage

yellow armor

blue attack speed

how you see that? is it viable?

start with scepter....

[1337lostsouls]

@pilasot if you change your reds to 3 AD and 6 Arp you'd be better off. and 21/9/0, 21/0/9, 9/21/0 and 0/21/9 are all better options because there are some really helpful points in the the bottoms of the trees.

[quepasacocoa]

@AvariaDemon So, i just finished a game with jungle jax and my new full build (keeping in mind survivability) was

1. wriggles

2. greaves

3. warmogs

4. rageblade

5. trinity force

6. bloodthirster

you seem like a knowledgable jax player so i was wondering your input on this build.

[imelroy]

@quepasacocoa I'm not that same guy, but Jax is my main. What I can tell you about that build is that it's pretty bad actually. Jax never builds health. I know it makes him seem like old Jax with all that infinite health, but it's a bad idea. You lose too much damage. If you're jungling I can understand the wriggles, but I've been leaning towards cutlass lately, like that guy. Let the support ward, not you. Greaves are good, build cutlass into gunblade, (continued in next post)

[imelroy]

@quepasacocoa (continued from last post), tf is okay but I prefer a lich bane. Either works but it's really just preference. Rageblade is essential on Jax. Bloodthirster on Jax is a bad idea. You gotta lean more towards ap, like 75% ap 25% ad (from the rageblade and gunblade, and tf if you chose it over lich bane). If you have any more questions then feel free to ask back.

[OkamiSojirou]

@imelroy Rylai's a good item too. Proc's R's passive.

[imelroy]

@OkamiSojirou Rylai's is not a bad item on him, not bad at all. I only said you never build health because he built a Warmogs, which is straight health. The ap from the Rylai's is great, the hp is useful, and the slow is nice too, but usually I won't need to slow my targets because by the time I jump on them they're either dead or the ms from my lich bane (and trinity force, I usually build both because I prefer it over any other 6th item) lets me catch up to them until the jump is off cooldown.

[AugustDekan]

@quepasacocoa I'm wondering why you would get Bloodthirster instead of Gunblade.

[quepasacocoa]

@stonewall008 i jungle jax regularly, my friend says you consider jax as a "horrid" jungler. in my opinion i feel he's a great jungler, but i'm not a famous league player. but either way, off topic. what's your general build? my end game (with variations) is beserker greaves, trinity force, wriggle's, guinsoo's rageblade, frozen mallet and hextech gunblade. the first four being the ones i always get. but i'd really like to hear your input on this because i'm not sure of how my jungle jax is.

[AvariaDemon]

@quepasacocoa i dont mean to interrupt stonewall, though im sure he has a better input on this, imo? your build seems rather expensive/glass cannon-esque. i used to rush the gunblade because the slow is nice and lifesteal/spellvamp makes you a bit tankier, but i started going wriggles into mercs and aegis. from there id probably go to trinity, my general idea is to limit your damage items to 2. after the remake jax has plenty of damage, he needs survivability.

[marcman000]

Does this still work if you are too poor to afford Runes?

[bebopbountyhead]

@marcman000 Not well enought to consider.

[AvariaDemon]

so i have three questions, one how do you think the ziggs patch will effect jax's teir standing? two how do you generally build jax? and three what do you think about a gunblade on him? i've been rushing the cutlass instead of getting wriggles with mixed success, sometimes its amazing and i obliterate, other times i end up being the tank when im not fully tanky yet. and another thing, whats the best route to make him tanky?

[stonewall008]

@AvariaDemon they did nothing for him

[AvariaDemon]

@stonewall008 what does he need to be better?

[AvariaDemon]

@stonewall008 also, what exactly does it mean to be on teir 2? i mean god teir is obviously best of the best always picked/banned, teir one are probably the best jungler options but what does teir two mean? i want to get back into jax because he's one of my favorite characters

[stonewall008]

@AvariaDemon that he has noticeable flaws that don't necessarily break him

[AvariaDemon]

@stonewall008 so how plausible is he as a jungler over all? i mean he is top tier 2, in addition, what do you think they could do to make him go higher on the list? (if you dont mind me asking)

[TheBdawg001]

@stonewall008 no actually they buffed him a bit

[noTeqh]

Yeah, do a team battle when u can. Tried jungle jax after this patch (Zigs) and boy, his ganking is marvelous! just Q and stun when you land, they'll probably either die or waste flash, if they don't b just go to bush and wait a couple secs for E to cool and bam, you got a kill.

Next game i'll try red then ganks, even more lethal

[scottjosh50]

i'd like to play this music when i shit

[FuryLimbs]

THIS IS TOTALLY DRAGON BALL Z MUSIC!

[araker1000]

So first i max E, later W and Q? Why not Q first?

[MarketStaller]

@araker1000 Q has the lowest DPS, and doesn't even defend you like E does. It's highlight is the dash, and you should rank it second, after W.

[t00thman]

@MarketStaller i always do Q first to lower its cooldown. nearly identical scaling to W but the mobility is more important.

[MarketStaller]

@t00thman For better ganking Q, but W is just vastly superior in raw damage. And Jax's ganks are already pretty potent, very rarely will maxing Q give you two jumps instead of one during a gank.

[HashireKazemeijin]

What would yu recommend for Glyphs if ASpd Glyphs weren't available? (Don't wanna get Secondary Runes)

Was considering either Focus or Shielding, but opinions are good.

[MarketStaller]

@HashireKazemeijin Almost certainly MR glyphs, since you have to go out of your way on jax to get MR (BV, FoN, QSS or wit's end, but neither seem just right on him IMO). Scaling over flat, since early game you're in the jungle.

[Namnohnahc]

team battle jax remake please?

[DerUnbekannteFlo]

new jax pwns :D

[TeiKagome]

a little noob question, why do you always move around while doing wolves ?

[Vismis]

@TeiKagome avoiding some autoattacks but the real reason is to get closer to Blue while The small wolves kill themselfs with your bladed armor mastery

[Werfluffi]

what do you think about movement speed quints on jax? it doesn't really harm his jungle and they help for ganks/transition well into late game.

[NiNjAEaZzY11]

could you plz do a team battle jax with his remake, jax is my main and im trying to learn how to jungle him for more options

[ruuwb]

this looks really nice, pretty fast without a leash and staying healthy as well. definatly going to be trying this

[Woah10000]

@formatR Buff

[OldMcBoner]

I think you should start with blue before wolves and have a friend to leash the blue for you, and maybe some of the others damage it a bit so you lose less health at the start

[lol4pros]

@OldMcBoner really?

[aznanthony2321]

@OldMcBoner you must be a baddie to think that wolves shouldnt be started

[YariYarii]

i like the music! whats the name of the song?

[formatR]

Nerf or Buff?

What do you guys think?

[specspore]

@formatR nerf

[dragonbevers]

I just tried to do this jungle route myself and jax finish his intire jungle FULL healt if you time your e just as you receive dmg. Clearing time is impressive.

[JaseonLin]

Just tried this out with a slight change in the defense. Opted for the increase hp/lvl and flat hp instead. Clear time is basically the same and Jax leaves the jungle with FULL hp capable of ganking 3-4 lanes before buffs wear off.

Charging E before jumping makes for crazy ganks. The item build I've been using is Wriggles, Frozen Mallet, Atma's Impaler as core and the rest situational. Mana is a problem if you continuously spam skills in jungle without blue. Overall really good jungler.

[itsjaayw]

Is the attack speed blue really necessary? Or are you able to swap them out for AP p/lv or MR?

[kombajndosalatek]

a bit general question- why isn't it always optimal to combine AD with ArPen- like here u pick full AD. ?

[felk4321]

@kombajndosalatek Prolly too weak, with arpen. The ad is better for early game, while arpen is better late.

[siuq1008]

Stonewall, I am a huge fan of yours! I have a question this time, I hope you would answer. I have noticed that you usually do Wolves>Blue>Wraiths>Wolves>Red­>Double golem. Then sometimes you come up with different path for different champions. What is the major reason behind this? Thanks for your time!

[LOLtekknoLogic]

@siuq1008 i think i can answer this question too, in most cases he chooses another route when the champion is not relying on blue buff. in that case, the red buff is better for earlier ganks/faster camp clearing.

[Naaberz]

@siuq1008 Some champions need the blue to jungle.

[Schadenfreude17]

@siuq1008 It's probably because in high elo, the bottom/top lane will take twin golems for extra exp before they get to lane.

[kwkj92]

@siuq1008 The path you mentioned was before sejuani era,that cycle would get you to level 4 but after sejuani patch has been implemented,you have to do Wolves>Blue>Wraith>Double Golem>Red>Wraith to reach level 4

[MivecShadow]

@siuq1008 Looked to me like he did it so he got to lvl 3 before doing red and could use his q

[felk4321]

@siuq1008 this is better for solo queue because if you go this path you can't give double golems to your bot/top lane, if you do it simply won't have respawned in time.

[ZheGardenGnome]

there's possibly many explanations to that, but mine is that some champs like jax handle golems better twice than wolves twice since champs for example jax has better single target dmg while cho gath for example has better aoe dmg.

i could be wrong though :D

[stonewall008]

@ZheGardenGnome that's pretty much it

[ZheGardenGnome]

@stonewall008 yea i think you mentioned that in one of your vids, possibly the "versatality of cho gath" or am i wrong?

[Eric101point101]

@siuq1008 Well I'm obviously not him, but in my experience it's because different champions do it faster with different routes and/or aren't strong enough to do certain routes.

[Zarutoks]

@siuq1008 depends on the champ, for instance with ez, he goes from wraiths to red in order to keep his stacks on his passive, and for olaf he does the same to not regenerate as much health and clear faster

[martygabe18]

wtf

surprise im black

[sander373]

in most of ur videos why dont u double back as much as you used 2?

[asdf1232132123]

Is it possible to jungle him without the use of optimal runes? I have hp quints and 6/3 ArP/AD reds and mr/lvl blues.

[jamesthefocker]

@asdf1232132123 most junglers need armor to avoid having to go back constantly early on, if u want to widen ur range of champions to jungle with get armor seals

[asdf1232132123]

@jamesthefocker Forgot to say that I do have armor seals, but I end up at really low hp at a full clear, not sure if it's just runes or why.

[yowzakid1335]

@asdf1232132123 It will be the runes. Runes make a difference to junglers more than any other role in a team

[Andrija722]

ergh why do you get stacks of your ultimate and increase in attack speed for duration of jungle or am I missing somthing?BUg?

[xasianboy]

@Andrija722 remake*

[ghfreakwierdo123]

i guess the new jax is ok, but they need to give him back his old op passive that made his late gmae absolutely ridiculous. but then i guess he couldnt jungle.

[TheGrandLier]

@ghfreakwierdo123 The problem is that riot doesn't like stat conversion passives.

That's why Vladimir has so many problems, and imo they'll swap his passive for something else the first chance they get to.

I do like his old passive though. That was something hard to get going, but once you did, watch out. Now you have to build tanky which will probably screw with his damage a little bit. I didn't test it yet.

[StylishxHans]

Thanks for the video.

[vincent78433]

how did you get to play reworked jax when the update isnt out yet

[LemonsOnRye]

Looks like he a fairly safe jungle as far as I can tell. The number of stuns he can do though is lower, but imo it think this is a good change for him.

[poesidon2323]

they buffed vlad this patch :) im so happy

[bluesfear]

@poesidon2323 its really a nerf

[desorienter]

@bluesfear No it's not, stop being sheep and actually calculate it yourself.

[poesidon2323]

@bluesfear how? they reduced cooldowns and health costs

[twodotsoveri]

Suprise! he's back!

[koolkleankat]

Good time, I could see mid tier two he's no god but he's a solid pick especially with a leash, and he has pretty good ganks.

[dafun908]

Is there a particular reason why you didn't hit wolves again (and went straight to golems) after doing wraiths the first time?

[Xzarion17]

@dafun908 Jax isn't an AoE jungler like Skarner, it's faster for him to go for golem instead of going wolves.

[dafun908]

@Xzarion17 seems legit. Thanks 

[MrSchnieke]

wtf... Patch already released on NA? EU being behind as always...

[VoidXz]

@MrSchnieke yes, the patch is up, but the video was made in the PTR or PEB or I forgot how its called, lol, anyone can make an account now I think

[ZeroVirus77]

And so now begins never getting to play Jax because BANNED IN EVERY FUCKING GAME.

I was dreading this patch as much as I was anticipating it.

[DIChronicAddict1]

The changes to Jack depress me. I mean, before, you could build him straight AP/AD and still be viable due to that amazing passive. Now, he needs atmogs or something similar just like every other melee bruiser.

[KAOSxxLV]

team battle jax (remade) pls

[FrostMorn69]

Hey , Stonewall, wouldn't it be better to swap those ad quints for lifesteal quints? Just tried it out in a game and personally I felt like it's better.

[stonewall008]

@FrostMorn69 lifesteal quints are useless

[kali462]

@stonewall008 truer words have never been spoken

[GreenFestival]

@stonewall008 Would you mind elaborating on this? I really wanted to try jungle Twitch, but I just don't have the sustain and I figured lifesteal quints would help. Thanks for any reply.

[FrostMorn69]

@stonewall008 Why? 

[IISmiteII]

@stonewall008 useless to junglers yes. To ad carries hell no. Be careful on your wording.

[Manhuntzor]

@IISmiteII Also useless to AD carries. Lifesteal runes should never be used unless you are trolling with 200% lifesteal sion.

[IISmiteII]

@Manhuntzor Sorry but your a retard and I will ATTEMPT to explain this to you without having a 10 hour discussion with you.

Lifesteal runes have many benefits

1) at level 1, 6% lifesteal +dorans blade = vamp scepter, so you dont need to spend 450 gold at all. This is especially nice for carries like twitch, sivir, vayne, cait, oh am I listing them all? That's because they're good on everyone.

2) No point to take ad quints over lifesteal because with flat ad reds you can farm off turret.

Done.

[Manhuntzor]

@IISmiteII Baddie...

[HonopMIdas]

@stonewall008 do u have a champion jungle guide for rumble?

[d3m0nicpk]

@stonewall008 Not really. I use them when jungling with almost anybody (Olaf and WW are the only exceptions)

[1Regards]

Clears wraiths like a boss, which is always nice. I'm smelling a low tier 3 though. We'll see. 

[ThemForsakenGamers]

Also, his damage output is extremely low, even with your AD runes. :/

[ThemForsakenGamers]

Ahahaha, "Surprise, I'm black" in the tags xD

[mikiryba]

JUNGLE VEIGAR

[6seven89]

a mundo one would be really nice^^

[murilosurf11]

Ok, now lest find @OurHouseInTheMiddle comment

[MrReverdy]

dat tags...

[powerfulkingj]

Idk if I like the new remake... They said they would get rid of dodge but instead make it 100% proc for jax? What an awesome escape mechanic! Just it's that ability, sun and jump away O.o

[zevz2990]

was there any way jax could have jungled before his remake or was he just to dependant on random counter strike proc?

[Karragh]

how have you been building jax now?

[Zaxomio]

stonewall could you make a twitch jungle guide very confused what is optimal

[Slayerant11]

Tags: surprise i'm black

Okay...

[CrossZiggy]

I miss jax's old passive already :(

anyways, I dont have AD runes, does Armpen work aswell?

[xstormratx]

@CrossZiggy Yes it works but you have to start with clot five.

[necronslord123]

Why is it that i live in EU and when i play Jax hes E is still the same?

[splisha]

@necronslord123 if you and a working brain you probrably would thinking " Maybe EU didint get the patch yet"

[necronslord123]

@splisha Nice english there brow, and just before u said it. I thought.. hmm maybe we didn't get the patch yet.. But what ever, u better keep up in school bro.

[EnCFusion13]

Funny thing is, I was listening to this song last night and thinking of watching Stonewall's videos XD

[ToXIIcGummYBeaR]

if i dont have attk damage quints what can i substitute?

[Bloodywolfbe]

@ToXIIcGummYBeaR Attack speed always works on these kinds of champs.

[WTFTelos]

The last 3 champions that have come out, Phreak has played as a jungler, I think hes trying to show you up Stonewall

[SheffiTB]

Could you do a jungle sej vid please? From what I've seen she's a fast clearer with very little sustain.

[lolAlCapwn]

could you do a mundo jungle?

[unmaltipo]

@stonewall008 Wouldn't be more beneficial to have both magic and armor pen %? Instead of one point on minion damage and Havoc?

[izraqthedark]

Is new Jax good?

[splisha]

seems a pretty decent dualist, he must kick ass on top lane now (even more).

as soon as patch is available on EU ill try this one out.

Btw stonewall, im going to take a wild guess and assume u already played the new champ sejuani, whats ur thoughts on her? seems like a nunu on steroids to me..

[mits0s96]

Jungle is easy as hell...

[BlazingProphecy]

You think you're so cool don't you stonewall? Well, yea, you are.

[LeonA7x]

The numbers in this video seem to be a little different than the actual release Jax. Counter-strike does about 30 more damage than it should, and Jax's base health is the same as it was pre-patch. I found it more difficult to clear the jungle using the same setup as you, so it seems like they tweaked him a little after the making of this video.

[stonewall008]

@LeonA7x I'll investigate that

[stonewall008]

@LeonA7x I just tried him out - he's the same thing. Make sure you use Dodge AS they are about to hit you to make sure you get the dodges and add more damage to your E

[LeonA7x]

@stonewall008 Alrighty, thanks for the swift reply. It seems the reason that I couldn't get E to work properly is due to my delay, so the proper timing was a little awkward. Otherwise, looks like he'll be pretty solid.

Props for constant stream of jungling videos, by the way!

[LZMieczu]

@LeonA7x It gains countering atacks as bonus dmg + based dmg is increased

[karmaofgood]

Honestly, I like that they didn't overpower jaxes dodge. It seems pretty balanced just from the duration

[o0AnimeMaster0o]

the tags XD

[DoubleWinning]

Check out my channel for an aspiring LoL Youtuber! :)

[Chrikke666]

"surprise i'm black" oh you, stonewall

[DonYagamoth]

Hey Stonewall, thank you very much for making these videos, I really like them :)

On another note: Is it possible for you to write a small sentece in the description about how well he jungles in your opinion? Thank you again

[stonewall008]

@DonYagamoth I cannot say that fully yet since I still have to throw him into some real games to test him how he actually works.

[abohnsen19]

From what you know, is Jax any good at invading? I'd say he seems like a fine duelist and his damage is so high he'd work great against many junglers, wouldn't he? When going aggressive that is.

Also in a real game it would be fine to swap out the AD reds with ArPen right? With more than just a single hit leash.

[BlazedHearts]

@stonewall008 Hey stonewall. Just curious what your opinion on the skarner nerfs are and if you think it'll dramatically affect his jungling and ganking potential.

Thanks :)

[stonewall008]

@BlazedHearts just wait and see

[OurHouseInTheMiddle]

isnt new remade jax not released yet?

[stonewall008]

@OurHouseInTheMiddle did you watch the video?

[Sycloen]

@OurHouseInTheMiddle Of course new jax isn't released, stonewall just hacked into RiotGames and took all their files -_-

[T3N54Z4NG3T5U]

@OurHouseInTheMiddle Come on... Look. There's the new passive, his E can be cast at any time.... It should already be apparent that it's the new remake.

[ThankYouStayedHere]

@OurHouseInTheMiddle if you're on EU the patch isn't out yet

[OurHouseInTheMiddle]

how did u play new jax? isnt he like not patched yet

[Deathzone7]

@OurHouseInTheMiddle

Are you retarded?

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[Warphaker]

stonewall's black? O.o

[Rayofpain]

hey stonewall, is it possible to start boots or dorans if you have an adequate leash with this same route?

[Rayofpain]

@Rayofpain And my leash i mean damage on wolves and leash on blue

[stonewall008]

@Rayofpain yes

[IntoTheWoodsWithMe]

So now they fucked Shaco jungle, i wonder who is the closest next best thing for quick ganks. Man i bought him a couple days ago and have been dominating...

[MegaRaaaaaaaaa]

Wtf o acrobatic spin

[azumi31]

I just started watching your videos a few weeks ago and my jungling skills have become so much better and I thank you for that.

[guicapone2]

Who did you get it before the public did?

[giffica]

SURPRISE HE IS BLACK!!!!! *cough* check tags

[maX0229567]

Why new jax now WTF?!

[Shinas1996]

if you deal more dmg you have taken while in "dodge" wouldn't you rather not taking armor runes at all? or am i just down right dumb?

[stonewall008]

@Shinas1996 it's how many hits you dodged

[loglog7]

@Shinas1996 The cooldown on it is fairly large so most of the time it won't be up, meaning monsters will be beating on you. So yes take the armor

[Rolled1990]

Hey Stonewall, what are your pre patch thoughts on the Skarner changes? They seem a little drastic to me.