LearntoRaid's Hagara the Stormbinder Strategy Guide (25 Normal)

[CatsonFireBrb]

Awesome intro song remix thingy

[spectacularqt]

When's the Heroic 25m hagara coming out? :D

[Johnny9533]

Is this malygos ( oh wait nevermind )

[xzhou]

all of learn to raid videos got sick background music!

[HeinrichWinston]

WTH I'm not playing wow anymore and haven't been raiding for quite a while. Still I'm watching all your new guides :D gj with the videosss

[Sergyy1776]

I watch these just for the music and stupid puns.

[MidnightHonalee]

Great guide as usual Kina! Thank =)

[archiev1976]

not for boss, but tanks are needed for elemental adds in storm phase

[0wastetime0]

what is the reason for having 2 tanks on this fight?

[taqueshi1337]

@0wastetime0 yes, why? just for the ranged taunt for Focused Assault? I don't get it.

[GuyN0ir]

@0wastetime0 10 man only needs one tank

[langhalsen]

Strategy:

-Don't stand in flames

-Do what addons tell you

[Martyrofthefallen]

xD, Kina amazing input about Twilight Ascendant, i hated that fight on Heroic mode

[tsh9513]

he talksh kinda phunny

[7aDreamer]

what version of daydreamin is this? ive checked every lupe fiasco daydreamin dubstep remix on youtube, and cant find this song!!!

[Kinaesthesia1618]

@7aDreamer I don't usually reply to the music questions, but this was irking me a bit. (Not your fault) The track is "Daydream" and the artist is Paul Basic. It is not a remix of Lupe Fiasco's "Daydreamin". Paul Basic and Lupe Fiasco both sampled this (excellently, btw) from the track "Daydream In Blue" by the artist I Monster. As a side note, even though the track name isn't always there, the artists are almost always linked in the video info.

[avenmashiara]

@Kinaesthesia1618 Keep doin what you do! Love your style! =D

[avenmashiara]

@7aDreamer you can listen to this Paul Basic song on facebook. (Search for 'Paul Basic'.) The whole album is available on iTunes or for free download on prettylightsmusic.c om.

[avenmashiara]

Where does Kina get the music for his videos? This is yet another example of why I love them!

[Mdbsup]

Kin, Y U PLAY PALLY? :c.

[Edwardo83]

please stop pronouncing "L" so annoyingly!!!!

[ZomIIXC]

I got a dumb question, are you guys fighting in the Eye of Eternity ?

[EvoVulzian]

LoL I keep forgetting its ptr nvm it's so easy to try a new class endgame in the ptr

[EvoVulzian]

What's the name of his holydin?

[Tormented86]

What are the songs/music in the beginning of this vid and Morchok, Zon' ozz, and Yor'sahj vids? 

[krattlusker]

It's allways a "balanced dps layout"

[Delcady]

Hey, whats the name of the song right at the end ?

[rightupp]

the platform is very similar to EOE (Malygos) raid

[CameronTheJedi]

@rightupp It's the same exact place :P

[boulden127]

the song is Daydream by paul basic

[Soldier842]

What is the intro music?

It's so awesome ;o

[iHeeRov2]

Look at all the Hunters in the Raid.....

[lizbliz]

@iHeeRov2 Our damage is too good, just ask GC. They had to remove us from raids in 4.3 to give the other classes a chance.

Also, Jesus Christ lots of green numbers on that screen,

[NextGenRev]

@iHeeRov2 wait wha.. ohhh i see what u did there

[Braindwen]

@iHeeRov2 Haha, it's funny because they brought plenty to every other boss they've covered.

It's not like it's going to matter on normal, wouldn't be surprised if they're just bringing whoever's on for PTR testing.

Example: 0 druids on Morchok/Zon'ozz. Druids are terrible!

[TheWoWGrind]

10 man was considerably harder in t11, 25man was considerably harder in t12. IF you don't agree, you haven't experienced it.

[SeriphiaValosx]

@TheWoWGrind I actually don't agree at all, I do 25 man Firelands Heroic and we almost never lose a player.

[TheWoWGrind]

@SeriphiaValosx That is unimportant, heroic firelands is nerfed to hell in both modes now, no reason to lose anyone unless your guild is subpar. I was speaking of mostly heroic rag anyways since that is the only fight that matters in a 10 vs 25 man argument due to the server first achievement. 10 man heroic rag is much easier and simpler than 25 man heroic ragnaros.

[ArdenWolfwatcher]

@TheWoWGrind Whether a fight is nerfed or not is unimportant and whether your guild is subpar or the best is unimportant. If you don't know the fight mechanics well enough, make a mistake (since we're all human), or just don't dps fast enough you can still die or even wipe due to some fight mechanics (MC effect, not getting out of Defile fast enough, additional add spawn ect.).

[ArdenWolfwatcher]

@TheWoWGrind True, unless you're like me and have the gear to raid, want to raid, know how to raid, are probably better than some people in the raid, but are unable to get on during most raid nights. LFR is like a godsend to me.

[TheWoWGrind]

@ArdenWolfwatcher Have you done H rag 25? If so, I doubt you still 1 shot it with no deaths, if you do grats. But the fact of the matter is you can make more of those mistakes on 10man without having it wipe your ride, making 10man easier than 25 man. The only reason you are clearing 25m hardmode fights with no deaths is because they produce almost no damage now, and you are well practiced enough on the mechanics to know what to avoid.

[RaGb1522]

@TheWoWGrind

WRONG!!!! so FUKIN WRONG, 25ms gives youa chance to carry 1-3 players, while on 10m EVERY single player must do shit right or its a wipe

[TheWoWGrind]

It's not about how many players you can carry. It's about how much more difficult the mechanics are to deal with in 25 man than 10 man, and how forgiving the penalties are in 10 man compared to 25 man. Lets say you could carry 3 people in 25m heroics though, and you couldn't carry anyone in 10man. You would still have to have 22 people playing perfectly compared to 10 man, which further validates my point.I've done heroic progression in both 10/25, 25 is definitely harder. You are wrong, sorry.

[Gokugogeta]

@TheWoWGrind Honestly why are people saying 10 man is easier ? think about it 10 man if one person dies and u have no combat ress u loose alot of dps or healing or even if a tank dies it's a wipe. but in 25 man u got 3 cr's and it's quite forgiving if u loose 2-3 dpsers and alteast 1 healer. Tanks is the same though but still think about it.

[TheWoWGrind]

@Gokugogeta It's not about combat rezzes, it's about the mechanics being more difficult to deal with in 25 man. I am saying 10 man is easier because I have done both 10 and 25 man heroic progression raiding, something a lot of people commenting on here have not done. People make baseless claims about the difficulty of 1 raid environment or the other. I bet no one who has responded me me has cleared 7/7 hm's this patch.

[NecxZhor9]

@TheWoWGrind you sir, you get it

[bloodknyte]

@TheWoWGrind sorry, but 25s tend to be much more forgiving. you get 3 rezzes, 25 people to allow some to be carried. the only time 25 mans become harder is when the fight requires spreading out a certain distance from others.

[itsv1be]

@bloodknyte You get 3 rezes cuz you have so much more people in raid, more chances for the raid to fail and screw up. You need more good people at one time and 15 more people to not fail to get through the fight without making mistakes. Don't even ask about fights where you spread, I laugh when i do a fight on 10m compared to 25 at those. 10man makes fight mechanics a joke.

[Apollus91]

Argue all you want boys and girls, Blizzard themselves have said 25man is harder. So end of discussion

[EvoVulzian]

When comparing 10 man and 25 man you must put it in context of composition, everyone knows the fight, the modes are both the same and every player is good accidents happen but they happen in both, man down is much easier to recover from in 25 man than it is in 10 man

[EvoVulzian]

LMAO why in heck would u think 10 man is easier than 25 man for one in 25 man u are more likely to get every single raid buff plus one crap dps won't pull you down in 25 man will it try both an you will see what's easier 25 man for an easy win 10 man for a bit more of a challenge

[Balmunka]

@EvoVulzian 10 man is so much easier. why do people not realize this? There are 991 guilds currently who have killed Heroic Rag on 10 MAN. There are only 308 guilds that have killed Heroic Rag on 25 man. Also note there are MANY 25 man guilds who chose to kill Heroic Rag on 10 man to "get the kill" for ranks. 10 man is easier. Progression shows it! 1253 guilds have killed Sinestra on 10 man and only 669 on 25 man. People just assume 10 man is harder because there's less people.

[ShadowCloaks]

@Balmunka I think its also because theres just more.. 10 man guild than 25 mans O.o just guessing sience its so much easier to make a 10 man rooster.

[EvoVulzian]

Kina no more priest? What's ur new holydins name? I wanna see you on armory

[FonoKun]

Kina, are you going to main switch to Holydin next tier? That'd suck, but I understand. I have a good friend who's a really top-notch Druid, but he's thinking of switching because, well... he isn't a Paladin or Shaman. But at least Disc Priests have niches, right? Like Spine.

[Calaytch]

@FonoKun Why would ur resto druid swap from the best healing class.

[FonoKun]

@Calaytch Because as things are right now they're almost unarguably the worst healer in Dragon Soul.

[1tontomato]

What's with the potty mouths on your LTR forums.

I suggest you delete potty mouth comments if you want to keep this professional and not ghetto.

[Bourkes15]

Need more paladins in your raid?

[Luis766]

@Bourkes15 They're Alliance, What did you expect?

[worldsman]

@Bourkes15

Haha ;D Well for real they need more huntards

[Nucleariasi]

I sure hope Blizz will show the difference between 10man and 25 man again.

Now every fucking idiot can get realm first if they kill the last boss on 10man instead of 25. It's fucking retarded and if I meet the one that came up with this idea I'll skin him alive. Fucking idiot. No wonder people stopped playing, Wow.

[cosmicforce741]

@Nucleariasi Haha... what? 25 man is so much easier than 10 man, it's stupid. in a heroic 10 man raid every person must be perfect, there is no other choice. Ever wonder why the best guilds in the world are 25 man guilds?It's easier, it's faster, you have more people = more people than can fuck up. In 10 man normals, you can fail a bit, it's lenient. But 10 man heroics... if everyone is not perfect, you're not going to do it. It's that simple.

[Bourkes15]

@cosmicforce741 Finally someone who understands

[plplplplomg]

@cosmicforce741 Not entirely true. For example on rag hc in 10m you have way easier time with positioning. There is no problem with wrath of ragnaros and traps. Its way easier to get grasp of situation in 10m too because everything is much clearer and less is happening. Second thing is that in 25m there is bigger place for error because more is happening, positioning is tighter and there are more people to make these mistakes... Third thing is that you need more good people for 25. 25 is harder.

[Nucleariasi]

@cosmicforce741 25 man used to be harder than 10 man, and still is no matter what you're saying. If more people = more people that can fuck up your basically saying that 25 is harder than 10 man. Blizz made the game for pussies and now everyone thinks he's a pro just because they killed bosses on 10man.

The top guilds did the bosses on 25 because they know how to play as a group not because it's easier. Ever seen a 25man FL pug ? NO, because people can barely get past trash.

[sealife224]

Even if i knew this fight very well, I like to watch L2R anyway :) keep up the good work

[AdventsRising]

it seems challenging! reminds me of somehow lady vashj ! would love to see hc mode also!

great guide by the way (as always)

[benderbg]

Only 7 paladins in raid :)

[AndreasWB]

@benderbg Reminds me of wotlk, you could never have enough paladins! :p

[andrefrbk]

I rerolled a priest becauce of kinaesthesia... 

[Ryndika]

is the Raid document out and watchable?

[greedlusthate]

Huge semi-circle lightning is awesome.

[ZomIIXC]

Fighting in the Eye of Eternity? and its not against the reskinned Malygos? Fuck yes!

[tidus93]

where are the 10 man guides? D:

[WIZZMAN100]

@tidus93 10 man is the same as 25 i have done both on ptr its just more dmg on 25 =D

[thekioskzone]

Thanks for the guide as they are always helpful.

[iUnitedpk]

3 phase repeating encounter. I see the pun you didn't intend to make there.

[poptya]

@iUnitedpk I dont get it

[poptya]

nevermind I get it

[lucathemucca]

As always, a great guide. :)

[AyoLoud]

dat music.. I must have. Great strat btw

[shadownetspy95]

first!!!!

[iUnitedpk]

@shadownetspy95 fail!!!!

[iiHaVoKx]

inb4first

[BlueDeathFire]

nice