America might be the cause of many problems, but it is afterall a country which can change from the inside, from its people. What I cant take is all this anger against America, while saying that you are grateful to have Russia as your neighboor? That country which killed hundred of thousands Chechnyans? A country which imposed dictatorships on all of eastern europe and still funds brutal goverments in Central Asia and European countries like Belarussia?
Well, you can change the world by more ways than just posting videos on youtube, I have just graduated in physics and am working on solar energy technology, this can really change the world as the way we use energy today will destroy earth for future generations.
You are sitting on a high horse lady, calling people idiots and creating a world where America is the cause of all evil in the world. Sorry, that is not the case.
....and Al salam Alykum.....Peace upon you too sis. ......i respect such love for humanity ...people like you fair , caring and knowledgable make life worth living. From Arabia with love.
NOT MANY WILL EVER GO FROM SEEKER TO SEER. MOST BLINDED BY FALSE TEACHINGS FROM BIRTH. BEING HERE TO WITNESS, NOT TO SAVE. WHAT A REMARKABLE TIME WE LIVE IN. CHERICE THE GIFT OF BEING. WE ARE ALL WARRIORS, BUT BECAUSE OF THE DREAM, THEY FORGOT WHAT IT TAKES TO KEEP THE DREAM ALIVE. peace
TheBaByG, do not fret. You are not an anti-semite for two reasons. Number 1, you support the Palestinian people who are Semitic and number 2, Semitic is language group and not a faith. Zionists are racists who hide behind the Judaic faith. Check out "nkusa dor org".
Anti-semitic is a way to stop people from speaking about the crimes committed by Israel like they made 250,000 calls to Gaza in 22 days and told people to get out ,then they dropped 155 mm shells with a 900 ft kill ratio n called it precision bombing ,they used Depleted uranium ammunition on every building,dust n isotopes from that is guaranteed Cancer,Dime Bombs that blew the legs off 100s of victims ,n used F16 jets against family homes, family cars,bombs with 1000s of Darts,white phosphorus
there will never be peace and to make simple for u people , israel have no right to exist and the jew could live in palestine but the state of isreal have no chance whatever u go and however u kill as u always do.U KOW DEEP THAT NO 1 LOVE U ZiONAzi.
everybody WAKE UP IDF can do anything they want ,they have all the shit they need to take out anything in anyland..
THAT INCLUDES finding tunnels in gaza from satelite ..COME ON they know were they are when there built etc..so its a game of when IDF want to strike and in what intrest...
Hey, why don't you actually use some intelligence in your answer? Making stupid accusations only makes YOU look stupid. If you make intelligent debate, you're more likely to have some impact on myself and any others who read this. You're talking like a 12 year old.
Look at the rise of anti-Arab politics in Israel. Is that truly a good thing? When Israel is so quick to claim anti-semiticism.....can the rise of an anti-Arab party be of any help? Once again, if Israel maintains good principles, they will get the support of the International community...and the clear support of most of the Arab nations. Violence and intimidation of the Palestinians just won't lead to peace ever.
I agree with you that Syria, Iran, and Hamas/Hizbollah are not the nicest group. But the only reason they have such power through Hamas, is because of Israel's provocations. This why no one but the US is really stepping in to help Israel these days. Israel is the only one that has the power to change the issues that can bring peace, and to bring the international community on side. It takes integrity to bring them on side, and that has been lacking from both Israel and Hamas, in my opinion.
The vast majority of the Arab world wants to see peace, and I think they can't but support the Palestinians, because they realize that there is clearly a land issue and an issue of nationhood to be resolved. Especially Saudi Arabia and Egypt...do you think they truly want to support a Hamas? No, but they clearly support Palestinians in having peace and a homeland. There is alot of sanity and clear thinking in the Arab world. There are only small factions that are fanatical and dangerious.
Personally, I think that is Israel goes all the way and gives the PA back their land, they will have unequivocal support, both from the UN and NATO, in regard to their defense, and in regard to controlling any kind of rebellion from Iran or Hamas or Hiizbollah. The problem is that Israel will not go far enough, and the Arab world is getting riled up about the innocent deaths that are resulting from the conflict. The majority of the Arab world does not want to support Hamas in it's violence.
First of all, it's nice to have a civilized discussion with someone on Youtube, without someone resorting to personal insults. I thank you for that.
The real question is...what will bring peace in the conflict. I think Israel has to see that the Palestinians have REAL concerns...and those real concerns are the only true path to peace. There is no peace unless Israel chooses to use it's power for peace.
To continue, Israel claims that all the annexed land was public land - PA land, not private land. Truth is that part of the annexed land is land was owned by private Palestinians. Israel made the false claim to try to ease tension around the settlement land.
Finally, in regard to peace, Israel is trying to have everything....and force it down the throat of Palestinians. They want their land. They want to control all movement. They want to beat down all protest. Passivity or peace?
Again, this is contrary to reality. Israel is the only democratic country in the middle east that is self-critical and transparent. Additionally, most Israelis would love nothing more than to have peace with Palestine and recognize them as a sovereign country because that would end Israel having to financially support them. Unfortunately, the Palestinians have created two piss poor organizations. The corrupt Fatah and the Islamo-fascist Hamas which essentially mirror PA attitude and have
I think you are the one living in a fantasy world. Israel will be truly democratic when it 's Arab citizens has a say. People fail to realize there is an Arab Muslim and christian population living in Israel and they dont have major representatives in the Isreai government. Anyone who are not a white jew in Isreal are second class citizens.
I think it is you who is denying reality. First of all, the majority of Israel's population are actually Sephardic not Asheknazi, so much for your "white second class citizen" argument. Secondly, I'm not sure how people "fail to realize" there is an Arab Muslim and Christian population that make up a little less than 20% of 16 million people whom also happen to have elected leaders in the Knesset. Just because demographics don't allow Christians or Muslims to dictate a majority Jewish cont'd.
Yes I understand that JewMMA. My question then is who are the ones with the most power in the government. Is it not the Ashkenazi, they hold most of the important positions. Regardless of the percentage, you will never see a Muslim Arab prime minister or Christian in these position of real power. Even if there where pro Israel.
Well, then I don't understand what you're saying or trying to ask because first you made an erroneous statement and now you're asking an obtuse question. The people that hold the power are the people. They are the ones that freely elect their leaders whether they are Ashkenazi, Sephardic, Mizrahi, Druze, Xrstian, or Arab. You're probably not going to see a Xrstian or Muslim elected prime minister in Israel for the the same reason you won't see a Jew elected president of Iraq.
You are specking as if there is a fair system. In an ideal democratic society all parties no matter how small should be represented. In American the populations of blacks do not away the whites, but Barack Obama was elected president of the U. S of America. Elected by the people. All kinds of people. We all know that the position of Power would not go to an Arab no time soon in Isreal, why JewMMA. You know very well why.
I'm not sure if you simply don't know enough about Israel, not reading my responses, or denying reality. Arabs and Xtrians in Israel DO have representation as blacks and hispanics do in the US. Chadash party, hello? You're confusing representation of a minority with a minority actually getting what it wants. Just because Arabs don't get what they want in Israel does not mean they're not represented. Israel is a true democracy, because minorities do have a voice in the Knesset.
So there is abrogation of the democratic system, it actually is the democratic system at play. The country's populace wants a leader that represents the interests of the nation, the nation sees that in a Jewish leader not a Muslim or Xrstian. However, Arabs and Christians can voice their opinions by voting for the leaders they like (which they put in the Knesset). In sum, for you to say that Israel is undemocratic simply because the people choose not to elect a gentile leader is absurd.
about stoning women an cutting limps lol...have u read ur fucking history u monkey bastard??? have u read ur fucking kabbalah u evil bastards?? u think pple r stupid an blind ..we all know what u zionist fuckers r doing in israel u sick mother fuckers....fuck israel a country built by sick pigs who claim god promised them this shit land an it was never promised...god promise pigs a land?? how come?? jews refused god even written in the bible...u pigs refused an killed many prophets...
Wow, the leader of the dumb shit brigade just arrived. Thank you for exemplifying that anti-semitism, bigotry, and ignorance is still alive and well on You Tube. Do us all a favor and come back when you've developed opposable thumbs.
lol pigs want to control the world lol...all serve zion land of israel ...hehe hails ...jews r our masters lol...cz they controlled the world by usury ...decieved an manipulated nations ...even funded hitler...ever heard about ur master rothchild??lol he funded hitler to make soap out of u pigs...yet u believed him an killed innocent arabs for a sick fucking occult...who is false....real jews still exist an they will stand with muslims an real christians against zionism ..
populations domestic and foreign policy doesn't negate a democracy. Majority of the population and some of the minority such as the Druze and Christians wanting one thing and the Arab Muslims wanting another doesn't make Israel less democratic but shows the genuineness of their democracy when they let even those who wish to see the country destroyed such as the minor Arab Muslim population vote at the polls to put bat shit crazy leaders into the Knesset. If that isn't a democracy - nothing is.
proven to be the biggest obstacles to any sort of meaningful peace plan. While it is easy to try and categorize Israel's desire into "peace" and "passivity," in order to have a long-term peace plan, you must first have some sort of meaningful short term passivity to create that plan. Passivity is an element of peace. Peace is not merely the absence of violence but the presence of justice. The only people that can create a just and peaceful Palestine are the Palestinians.
By electing a despotic terrorist regime as their head of government, they have thrown a monkey wrench into any viable peace plan. If the Palestinians want peace, then they must elect a just government with a desire for passivity. If the Palestinians cannot engage in any sort of meaningful passivity, then a peace plan isn't even remotely a viable option to be discussed. Israel took a big step towards the peace plan with a land concession, in return Hamas took a proverbial shit on the gesture.
Hey, I appreciate all the time you took to respond to my statements. I must say....I'm grateful to communicate with someone who will stick to the topic, and express their view, and respond directly to what someone else has written. It's a rare thing, especially in regard to this conflict. I am getting a feeling for the Israeli side of the conflict....and I have to agree with most of what you say. I appreciate your humility in seeing that there are 2 sides to be viewed.
Not a problem. And I am equally grateful to be able to engage in a civil conversation that hasn't descended into accusations of being a "TeRrORiSt!" or a "ZiONAzi!" I understand that there is a natural altruistic want to favor the underdog, however, in these types of discussions emotions tend to run high which leads to a cloud in logic and reason (BabyG). More importantly the facts of this very complex situation are understood by so very few (BabyG) and twisted by so very many (Ahmanejihad).
I agree that violence on the part of Hamas or any other Palestinian group has not served any positive purpose. It's a conflict with a difficult history, combined with the religious dynamics....and not an easy to one resolve at all. I must say that the Arabs have come a long way lately though, in being diplomatic, and restraining the part of the population that wants to respond with drastic action....especially the major arab countries...Egypt and Saudi Arabia.
Arabs are coming further in their thinking. Some are showing some signs of unbelievable progress such as the Egyptians (especially during the Gaza/Israel conflict) yet others are retarding their growth by allowing the pernicious influences of extremist Islamo-fascism to take hold of their society such as in Iran, Afghanistan, Lebanon, and even Europe specifically France and the UK. At some point though enemies are going to become friends not because they desire it but because they must.
Bigotry?! It takes one month to respond to my comments and you now cry "bigotry"? If saying Arabs are becoming more progressive in their thinking is bigotry, then I guess you must think stoning women who have been raped and cutting off the limbs of those that steal must be OK. Nothing I have said could be remotely construed as bigotry and such an accusation is merely a disingenious attempt to silence the debate.
Not all Arabs feel that stoning a women, beating your wife and cutting off the limbs of people who steal is right. For the Record JewMMA I do not agree with any of those things. I am not for terrorist, Hamas or any group or government who cause the death of innocent people and feel the killing of innocent people is justified. I am having a discussion with you and I welcome your opposing View. I commented on something you said. I take note of everything you say and even learned some new things.
woow have u read ur fucking sick talmud ?? or fucking crap torah?? that ur pig grandfathers tampered?? how many prophets sent by god to u fucking pigs an monkeys an u refuse the message..how many prophets killed by fucking pig jews??? ur in the wrong place u evil bastards...how much mossad pay u pigs to defend israel??
The sad part is I would like to see Israel working with the United Nations. I think the Obama administration is going to make a real change, as compared to Bush, and work more on an international level, as opposed to the unilateral direction of the Bush administration. I think international justice and cooperation is the key to more peace in the world, and it will require more compromises and acknowledgement of the less powerful populations in the world.
While in a perfect world the interests of the world would be aligned with the UN, the sad fact is that they're not. The UN has turned into a tainted political organization governed by self-interests and not the pursuit of justice. Additionally, I don't think Obama can add anything to the peace process but kind words. No U.S. president can change an ideology. The fastest way ideologies get changed is when the populace realizes the principles it upholds becomes a threat to their existence.
I"m amazed at the parnaoia of Israeli people. The response to any protest regarding the behaviour of Israel in the world is an anti-semitic claim. Israelis are obsessed with this claim that the world is out to hate them, and persecute them. Yes, there's history, but history is history. It's time to live in the reality of now....yet Israelis refuse to do that. To the outside world, it'is seen as propaganda. To Israelis, it seems to be an obsession of paranoia....it's a sad truth to live by.
I'm amazed at the readily accpetance of various muslim brotherhood movements throughout the world, like Hamas, Hezbollah, and the leftist ideals that embrace such hate groups. I think Israeli's understand obviously better than you do paulfornasier the soncept of anti-semitism, as expressed by all its neighbours and the growing Islamofacist movements worldwide.
There is much more to say. Yes, there are jewish people who are willing to see both sides of the story, but you don't seem to be one of them. It's hard not to take sides when a governement is creating a humanitarian disaster, and takes no responsibility for it. You probably justify the killing of thousands in Iraq by George Bush, based on a bunch of lies and propaganda.......it was the exact same thing. The propaganda was enormous from the Israeli government.
israel blamed all deaths on Hammas, regardless of who did the killing. They say that Hammas is responsible now for anything done in the region, although it is clear that there are other groups operating....and this is after they destroyed all the infrastructure and buildings associated witht the governement. It's plain stupid Israeli political posturing. Has it changed anthing? How about the fact that Israel armed and helped grow Hammas in order to oppose Arafat when Israel opposed him?
Are you knowledgeable about the fact that Israel and the US have played a role in the growth in strength of Islamic Militants? Israel supported Hammas militarily to try to destabilize Arafat. The US supported the creation of Al Quaeda in order to fight Russia in Afghanistan. The US has done it in many places....lots in South America and Central America, and elsewhere in the world. So, who will take responsibility for creating their own enemies? And Israel still now justifies the killing?
You don't understand that the real issue is the suffering, neglect and abuse of the Palestinian population for many years, by the Isreali government, and the readiness of the Israelis to use military, rather than diplomacy, and the willingness of the US to back them. This is the REAL problem. "Anti-semitic" and "terrorism" are labels coming from Israeli paranoia, and Israeli desensitization to the killing of Palestinians. Who hold the power to change things in the region? Israel or Gaza?
Let's get this straight. I am not pro-Hamas, but after this incursion by Israel, I am very protective of Palestinian rights....something that Israel does not regard as important....or they would not have taken the path they did. Israel is just out to intimidate, and for their politicians to show force and strength prior to elections. They planned this, prior to the ceasefire being broken in December....and it was Israel who broke the ceasefire in November...and through the continuing blockade
yeah, at first i was really surprised by the paranoia of israeli people, too. i just didnt get why israelis thought everyone hated jews! but you know what i realize? they just use this word, antisemetism, to invoke guilt and sympathy from the person saying it. many times, americans or whatever recoil when called anti-semites. it makes you feel racist, even though youre not. they want to use that word to remind you of the holocaust. i know that i dont hate jews, just murderers (israel)
I'm sure all paranoia can be justified. The problem is when it's used on a political level, or media level, so as to counter legitimate disagreement with Israel's actions. Reality here and now is where life really happens, no matter what excuse anyone has in regard to the past. The point is that the anti-semetic card needs to be used more selectively. True dissent needs to be heard and listened to.
i understand that there is some level concern among jews i have no problem with critisim of the state of isreal but comparing them to nazis !!! its saddening ill use a metaphor to explain
imagine that last week your father was killed (god forbid ) and you move back into his house but as your unpacking your stuff a man runs up to you tries to kill you you punch him in the face and kall the police but instead of being called justified in your self defense you are called your fathers murderer?
I agree with you. These are stupid and dangerous comments for anyone to make. But it was hard to resist the comparison of Gaza with a concentration camp, when the Israeli government was and still is withholding aid destined for Gaza. Prior to the war, over 700 trucks of aid entered per day. Now, Israel is only allowing approximately 120 trucks per day. The govt of France sent a portable water system for clean drinking water, and the Israeli government turned them back in the past week.
true its sounds pretty terrible when you put it that way although i do think isreal is the only country in the world which would even allow 120 trucks in they are at war with gaza and the laws of war do not give isreal any commitment to help the ppl of gaza considering that 80% of the ppl help militant orgnizations one way or another
I think Gaza is a tough situation, because, in many ways, it's just a big refugee camp. Over 1.5 million people who don't have a legitimate nation. And I don't agree with the 80% number. From what I'm told, the majority voted for Hamas, but they don't necessarily participate in any military action. Remember that a large part of the Hamas governement was the normal administrative functions of governement, police, education, utilities etc. It is Israel that sees them just as terrorists.
Keep in mind that Israel is not saintly. They broke the last ceasefire by killing some Palestinians in early November, and that's when the rockets really started coming. Also, when are they ever going to stop having settlements in the West Bank? Israel hold the power to change alot of the realities of life for Palestinians, but there are interests in Israel that refuse to pull back their illegal settlements, and do not want the the Palestinians to have a homeland., and so the violence goes on
I agree that outright racial or religious discrimination is inexcusable. The point I'm trying to make is that on the Israeli side the claim of discrimination cannot be used a defense against legitimate dissent...legitimate disagreement regarding the actions of the Israeli government. The governement of Israel must look at what they are doing to bring on the violence against the Jews.....just like americans under Bush needed to look at the same in regard to hatred of americans. Power corrupts.
Um, the rockets have been coming for 8 years. Saying the ceasefire was broken by Israel is utterly laughable considering that they only killed six Hamas gunmen who were digging a tunnel from Gaza into Israel to kidnap Israeli soldiers (Gilad Shalit, anyone?). In response to the raid, Hamas launched 35 rockets into southern Israel indiscriminately at a civilian population. If the Palestinians want peace they should try not electing a despotic terrorist regime as their head of gov't.
Hey, it's easy to respond to just one issue. How about Israel having over 120 Jewish-Only settlements on Palestinian land. Do you realize how much of the West Bank these settlements occupy, including roads and land now unusable by Palestinians? How long has Israel illegally occupied Palestinian land? There is alot that Israel can do to bring peace. The problem is the resistance that is backed by right-wing politics. Sadly, Israel is a big part in creating the conflict.
Once again your position relies on a false premise. Israel is not "illegally" occupying anything. The West Bank, Gaza, like the Golan Height were legally annexed as the result of Israel fighting and winning defensive wars. The Right-wing politics is the only thing that keeps Israel secure. As we saw with the painful land concessions made by a left-wing faction essentially giving the land away for "peace," all Israel got return were Qassam rockets and an even more radical Hamas.
Regarding the West Bank, the legality of the annexation of land is not clearly legal. There have been several United Nations resolutions asking Israel to return the land and stating that their annexation contravenes the Geneva convention. So. let's operate from that point....there are two views expressed....one is Israel...and the other is most of the rest of the world.
Much of this discussion regards UN Resolution 242 which Israel rightly has been rejecting. Pursuant to the resolution, Israel would hand back the land legally annexed during the 1967 war for "peace." Now, this proposition was quite ridiculous considering who the offering party was and the effect it would have on Israel's vulnerability from a geographical stand point. The offering parties who were so willing to accept the land for "peace" were the same "peaceful" neighbors that tried (cont'd)
I would have to counter that this position is not consistent with reality. Numerous countries including the U.S. recognized the legality of Israel's current borders while others may view the contrary. The point you would have to operate from is that there are two view points: Israel's and her allies versus the Arab League and theirs.
Something not mentioned often...but did you know that Israel backed Hamas a number of years ago, in their bid to overthrow or destabilize Arafat. So, here they are strengthening and giving weapons to so-called terrorists....and now they claim they have to fight a war against terrorists. George Bush and his buddies all over again.....same with Al Quaeda...and in South/Central America also. Truth is....does Israel really to settle the dispute with the Palestinians? Not likely.
Something often reiterated but hardly investigated is that Israel didn't "create" Hamas. Hamas known as "Mujama" back in the 80s was a charitable organization that appeared peaceful and devoted to building infrastructure in Palestine. Israel let Mujama thrive, because unlike Fatah they weren't violent. However, what was fostered in their Islamic institutions that Israel saw as a progressive movement in Palestine was actually the teachings of fundamentalist Islam bred into what is today Hamas.
I understand what you are saying,, but also be aware when you are reading Israeli-biased material, just as I need to be aware of material biased against the Israelis. For me, I will never take anything from Al Jazeera or the Iranian media as truth. This is plain common sense when it comes to media bias. The one thing I have also heard is that Israel, through Mossad, funded Hamas militarily, in order to destabilize Arafat. Now, you can't agree that that was a good thing??
Let us not forget that it was Israel, which in fact created Hamas. According to Zeev Sternell, historian at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, "Israel thought that it was a smart ploy to push the Islamists against the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO)".
Additionally, how does that logically justify Hamas firing rockets into Israel today? The point is that it doesn't. Assuming arguendo that Israel created Hamas (which it didn't), that is like saying that since I decided to own a snake I should let live even it attacks without provocation, because I made the decision to own it.
My last comment. You can't blame Palestinians for having the desire to have land back, that was theirs at some point. I'm referring to the large population that was forced out of Israel at the time of the creation of the Israeli state and the subsequent war. The whole idea of Israel was a good thing, but it's easy to see that it could be felt as a stab in the heart for many arabs that lived in the land for many years. This is where one must see that compromise is necessary on both sides.
I have no problem with a compromise such as a two state solution, however, a compromise shouldn't necessitate self-immolation by one of the parties. Additionally, the Palestinian refugee problem was created by Arab aggression in the form of a five nation invasion. Historically, Israel had gladly accepted the UN Partition agreement which left them with only 1/3 of what they have today consisting of 2/3's desert. The Arab league rejected this while the world accepted it, and then launched (cont'd)
As someone that has dual citizenship with Israel, has been there, and actually knows Israeli, this comment really flies in the face of reality. Israelis want nothing but peace. However, what was once an argument about land has now turned into a religious fanaticism by Hamas as evidenced by their most recent incursions. Additionally, what sense does it make for Israel to vacate more of its own land just to have the void filled by Iranian backed terrorist regimes.
What Hamas wants is a one state solution - not peace nor mere passivity. If the Palestinians want so much as mere "passivity," then they should try not electing a despotic terrorist regime as their head of government. The ball is Palestine's court if they want peace, because it is now in their hands. Perhaps when they start loving their children more than they hate Jews, there will peace between Palestine and Israel. However, that requires them to start embracing life rather than death.
I'm not saying that Hamas wants passivity. I'm saying that Israel wants passivity from the Palestinians. Israel is not dealing with the true issues that can lead to peace.
two unsuccessful invasion of the country. Second, reverting back to the pre-1967 borders would leave Israel with an mere 10 mile gap at its narrowest point leaving major cities and towns susceptible to rocket fire and high powered machine guns. The land for "peace" deal has proven to be just a farce to chip away at Israel in order to make it more vulnerable to Arab aggression.
I think it is quite unfair to blame Israel for "not dealing with the issues" when it has become apparent that the only language of diplomacy Palestine chooses to speak with is violence via firing rockets. When Palestine chooses to use elections responsibly by electing a government that is truly interested in a peace plan - not merely playing the victim to the world media to halt Israeli military strikes in order to armor up for another assault then maybe there will be progress.
a five nation invasion. The Palestinian refugee problem was created by the Arab world by refusing to care for the same Palestinians that they use as their scape goats to demonize Israel and by not signing a peace treaty with the new country of Israel. Now, I know Israel has some blemishes on its human rights record, however, those infringements pale in comparison to their neighboring autocratic governments. If people are going to criticize a democratic government, let's try proportionality.
You speak the truth. You shouldnt change. You should allways speak too much - it suits you. Your too strong to let any fool put you down. YOU know that your not racist, everyone who thinks right KNOWS your not racist. If you find someone who was born yesterday(waking up from a 20 year coma,w/e)and explain to them the situation-leaving nothing hidden on both sides, you KNOW which side they should pick.And that should be enough to show yourself how real and anti-racist you are.
Hell,i would try my upmost best to keep you from stealing my house.You would too.Everyone would. So now your denying HAMAS the right to stick up for themselves. Let me tell you that what Israel is doing IS NOT CLASSED AS SELF DEFENCE! Thinkg about it. 2000+ innocents killed at day 8?Self defence or massacre? Ok it MIGHT be ok classing it as self defence... IF ATLEAST 500 Israelis were killed. But at day 8, less than 15 israelis hav died,3 of whic were killed by their own tanks in freindly fire.
KustomKulture, your comment is irrelevent.Your speaking through a twisted mind.ANYONE who supports Israel, specially at this stage, is trueley twisted."My freind feels sorry for me, let said i can take your house.C'mon, on ur bike, ur house is mine now."If that ACTUALLY happened, lets be honest here, youd take a swing at me ATLEST!if you had a gone,then i guess i'd be getting shot,and dont lie here,or it'll show how twisted you are.EVERYONE would stick up for themselves.
ok thats nice that ur sticking up for people, but where were your videos about the bombardment for a week on israeli citizens (where were you warning what was gonna happen to them if they kept launching bombs) for an entire week before they did anything. this is hypocrisy, cause without those bombs being launched israel wouldnt have dont anything.
i cheered when israel stuck up for itself. because sometimes sticking up for yourself isnt the popular thing to do.
you stand for what is right and it's 100% obvious, Zionists try to associate anti-zionism with anti-semitism and this is bull.
don't let these assholes get to you, if all people in the world have good morals like you do, the world will be a much better place. so keep it up and allow to to give you an applause.
1. Islam is mental Disiese, worse than judaism and christianity)
2. Cancer is treatable, but when it gone too far - it MUST be cut off.
4. Hamas is shooting randomly into CIVILIANS, since your goal is to distroy as many civilians as possible. No calls, no warnings before Kassam. You rejoiced when 9:11 happened
5. ISRAEL has capabilites to turn Gaza into one big and shiny Parking Lot within 4-5 minutes. It doesn't do it though it can (and must). Think about it.
Russia is tired of her own islamic terrorists. Had always been since 14th AD. I am Russian, I know that. I haven't seen your dramatic performance on islamic cold blood massacre in the elementary school of Beslan when hundreds of little children died their 1st day school. Neither you've unloaded your ire on terrorists in Bali, Moscow, London, Madrid, Algeria (millions killed by muslims), on massacres, taking place in Darfur right now. You are so TYPICAL combination of bloody heart and hypocricy.
You know what? I'm not for talking anybody's dignity, property, or life. Neither are you, I can't stand Zionism, or virulent Islam. It's that Zionism is more inculcated in my government. If it where a bunch of Islamic maniacs running my country I'd be pissed too.
I'm not anti semitic either, Hamas is a bunch of satanic terrorist, and they are responsible for the deaths of the Palestenians not Israel. God Bless Israel
The Zionists themselves are fomenting anti-semitism. I myself am feeling anti-Jewish. That is the power of this Zionist brainwashing. There is nothing that rivals death and destruction in generating hate.
The suggestion that the Palestinians, who have no army, are waging a war against Israel, one of the world's strongest military powers expands the idea of war into the realms of doublespeak. Palestinians are resisting Israel's occupation.
It is not a concentration camp, and you know it. Like I said, I have been to Auschwitz, and have heard first-hand accounts from family members of the atrocities comitted.
Israel is not eliminating a people. They have the capability to do so, however. The fact that they haven't turned Gaza into a parking lot attests to this fact.
Let's stick to facts here - not emotional responses.
Gaza is NOT a concentration camp - I have been to Auschwitz...have you? Members of my family were killed there. Please do not make that comparison again - it's inaccurate and disrespectful.
The Pals have their freedom in their own hands (well, in Hamas' hands, anyways).
I agree that death and war suck.
Phosphorous: the jury is still out on that one - just remember that it was Al-Jazeera who broke the story. Not exactly the most balnaced news source...
Wait - you're referring to the 6 day war of 1967, not when the modern state of Israel was created. In '67, Abdel Nasser, president of Egypt wanted to create 'Pan-Arabism' - basically a sham, due to his waning support. He called for the surrounding arab nations to 'push the Jews into the sea'.
In '48, the surrounding arab nations collectively attacked the fledgling state - and lost. Gaza was annexed by Egypt, and the West Bank was annexed by Jordan. Why didn't pals demand a state then???
The Zionist Jews, as you call them, cannot be compared to Hitler's Nazis. They do not run concentration camps. They do not want the extermination of the Palestinian people. They are not trying to take over the middle east.
THEY want peace. They want to be left alone.
What is the 'fucked up shit' you are referring to? The current siege of Gaza? You admitted in your Illuminati Gaza and Sheep video that the IDF IS trying to minimize civilian casualties.
Oh, and I just read the info on this video - apparently, the author of it deems it necessary to censor comments. How 'big brother' of her - just like the Islamofascists. NO DISSENT ALLOWED.
Do you have job? If not get one. Your not a good commentator.
If you want do something, go to gaza and stand up and say the same things your saying now. You'll probably end up being taken hostage. your talk is cheap. Actions are louder than words.
I made a video about this situation and tried presenting a very balanced and unbiased viewpoint. A couple of ppl still called me anti-Semite. LOL. I really like some of the things you're saying about this whole mess.
Cool video. I've seen you around a couple times but didn't come here to your site till OWP sent me. I liked what I saw & I'm going to subscribe.
You're right in your perspective on injustice - we've got to stop making it conditional or, worse yet, race or religion specific.
Everyone needs to learn what they can of the Palestinian plight, & then seriously think about how they would feel if the Palestinians were doing that to Israelis. If you don't feel exactly the same, that's a problem.
You may not be a racist, but you sure are ignorant. You ask "how can anyone support a country like Israel?", but what you don't understand is that it is the Israelis fighting for their lives, not the Palestinians! Your hatred is not based on race, but is a hatred for "Western Society". Israel is a free nation. It is Israel that should be defended.
"Israelis fighting for their lives, not the Palestinians!"
That's so far from true. Live in Palestine and then tell me who are the ones "fighting for their lives"...
Israel are the attackers and they don't want peace. Yeah you're so right... they're free to oppress as many people as they want, free to steal what they want, free to kill who they want, free to break as many laws as they want etc.
Go somewhere else with your PROPAGANDA boskinator, you'll find few morons here that believe your crap. I'm willing to bet if I check your page I'll find that you have never spoken out about any of the situations you just mentioned. Now I'm off to see if i won my bet!!
As for your propaganda?? You just called me a left-wing apologost and a common anti-semite!! How can I be an anti-semite, I like Palestinians. You also call me left-wing, so you believe anyone in America that is a strict Constitutionalist is a left wing fascist,your ignorance here is is so obvious I don't even feel the need to take a jab at you. By the way,loved your videos on Darfur, oh thats right, you've never made any. How surprising!!
Oh, I'm sorry... I meant to say JEW HATER. Please forgive me. You do hate Jews, don't you? Or, let me guess, you don't hate Jews but you hate Zionists?
I don't have any videos on Darfur, you are correct. Actually, I technically don't have any videos, so I'm an equal opportunity non-video maker.
As far as 'taking a jab at me', go ahead. Gimme your best shot.
Or better yet, please explain your support for the 'poor, downtrodden, helpless and opressed' Palestinians.
Looks like someone has seen my posts out there. Is your other name Maven by chance? I am against Zionism and yet I do not hate Jews. There is a difference and more Jews are comming out and stating as much. Zionism is the other side of the coin from Fascism and just has better public relations.
Israel and the Arab world are both guilty of using Palestinians as political tools. The 'poor, downtrodden, helpless and opressed' Palestinians are JUST THAT. Of course the Israelis, or Arabs...
Define terror? Is having an occupation of your land and home by force of arms terror? Is it having your home torn down by armored bulldozers and being made homeless that others may settle upon it illegaly terror? Is having your water supply rerouted to fill the swimming pools of these settlers while you now have a little dirty water trucked in. Not having enough of your own water to drink while others soak in it? That is not terror?
You mistake me for some mainstream media worshipper.
I will try an post video replies here, if the video owner permits. One I just sent is of the water situation I mentioned. That is just one of MANY examples I could post. Another I will try to post is of liberty, a way all humans could live in peace, if everyone recognized it.
Oh, the actions of the folks that treat the Palestinians and their water like this are Zionists. Regular Jews in and away frim Israel do not all support this. A Zionist thinks they are special and chosen by their god...
I must correct you here - a Zionist is someone who wants a homeland where they can be free of MILENNIA of persecution - oh wait - didn't something bad happen to the jews 70 years or so ago...what was thing called...oh yeah, the Holocaust.
They now have a homeland, the search is over. Therefore, what need for a search. End of need of Zionist viewpoint. That term is often cunfused with some warm, fuzzy image that does not exist. You may as well say Nazis are just folks that wanted a living space as well. Hey, that is pretty much what Hitler claimed. How sweet an inoccent is that? It was not, neither is what is happening now in the name of a Fatheland.
Zion part 2... They think nothing they do in support of expanding their gain, or that of Israel is wrong. Their god loves it and them and the land is theirs by right of god's will and so on. This is evil and it is crap. Not all Jews are like this and have been getting a lot of blowback for centuries for crap that is not their fault. In fact, I fear for Jews and the future that may come from attitudes like the ones you espouse. The blood of any future holocaust is on the heads of those like you.
So, essentially, you're saying that if Israel gets wiped off the map, it's their fault for defending their right to exist peacefully? Typical...but Hamas and the Pals have full justification for suicide bombings and rocket attacks?
Wow, I never realized that there were this many twisted fucks out there. I'm in shock.
Boskinator, you try to put words in my mouth again. I never said "that if Israel gets wiped off the map, it's their fault for defending their right to exist peacefully." I said "Not all Jews are like this and have been getting a lot of blowback for centuries for crap that is not their fault. In fact, I fear for Jews and the future that may come from attitudes like the ones you espouse. The blood of any future holocaust is on the heads of those like you." I am not blaming a THEY, I'm blaming YOU
Blaiming me for telling the truth? So, you're saying that if there is a future Holocaust, my views will be the cause of it?
LOL.
The world has already cast judgement on Israel - I don't think my opinion will sway it one way or another.
What a ridiculous to thing to say.
BTW - do you speak for all Jews? Are you Jewish? Do you have relatives who perished in the concentration camps? Have you lived in Israel? If you answer 'no' to all of these questions, please stop speaking for 'US'. THANKS.
...could easily help the Palestinians with the ocean of money they all have, yet refuse to do so. You would likely further dehumanize Palestinians based on your previous descriptions and defend Israels lack of support based on the violence. Placing blame for violence from either side is like trying to say if the chicken, or the egg came first. It is a cycle. The living conditions for the Palis are sub-human. They fire some bottle rockets into Israel and it turns into an excuse to slaughter...
They made their own bed - now let them sleep in it.
If you want to speak in terms of chicken/egg: the Jews were more than willing to live in peace in 1948 - it was not them who attacked, now was it.
After the conflict, Jordan annexed the West Bank, and Egypt annexed Gaza. Why didn't the Pals demand statehood back then?
Their living conditions are the responsibility of Hamas, their ELECTED government, not Israel. Israel still supplies them with water, petrol and electricity, however.
part 3...slaughter hundreds of civilians. Then, this cycle will continue. It is not right, for the Palestinians, or the Jews, or for any of us.
If you think this cycle of violence is cool and sweet and sustainable, go to Israel and join the IDF. If it does continue, all aid should cease from the US and Israel can kill all it wants to with no help from us.
Peace through war is 1984. The only way to peace is through peace.
Yes, Hamas sucks too. They keep the cycle of violence going. I have mentioned all sides having points of blame, so please do not use such douchebag tactics as "well, you did not mention this name brand," as a distraction
Simple, it is a douchebag tactic to ask that criticism be balanced, when it has already been balanced. I had already stated, once again, that both sides have faults in this conflict. Then you try to discredit me for not mentioning Hamas, even though I mentioned Palestinians. Hence, douchebag tactic.
It's obvious that you side with the Palestinians (Hamas?). You even argue like the islamofascists - they love using insults to hammer home their points. Well done.
Hmmm, I love how the ad-hominym folks love to whine about personal attacks. This, right after you call me a "twisted fuck." I guess you are an "islamofascist."
I am not a Muslim. I do not buy into that religion, your religion, or anyone else's. I am not on the Pali's side, or the Izzy's side. I do not buy into the Israel is holy and filled with sunshine and puppies vs. the Muslims are all evil and it is really cool to kill them and their women and children too propaganda.
Again, I fully admited to not mention the name brand - Hamas. You did not mention the IDF did you? Me neither. I did refer to Palestinians and Israelis quite a bit though. For you to pick at that one point, yet again, shows your strawman argumentation. Want to repeat this one again? Say I did not mention Hamas for the X time. By the way... Hamas and IDF suck. The CYCLE of violence sucks, war sucks and last but not least, YOU SUCK! Get some glasses. Your world view is myopic at best.
The IDF is fully supported by the Israeli people. They are the most humane army in the world. So let me correct you: Hamas sucks.
They hide behind their own civilians. They attack civilians exclusively. They store weapons in residential areas. Suicide bombing. Sharia Law. Shall I continue?
I'm not disputing that the violence should end. I'm placing blame on the AGGRESSORS.
How about the attack on the USS Liberty, the bombing of a UN school, the killing of Red Cross aid workers. How about IDF soldiers standing by doing nothing while Israeli children throw rocks at Palis and international aid workers, or the ramming of a pleasure boat carrying much needed medical supplies to Gaza while it was still in International Waters. Care to explain?
Bombing of UN school: Hamas target, mortars fired from there.
Red Cross: not sure what you're referring to.
Israeli children rocks: not sure what you're referring to
Pleasure boat rammed:the boat should not have been trying to break through their blockade during A WAR! They're lucky the IDF didn't destroy them. Besides - there were anti-war activists and reporters on board - hardly a 'pleasure' boat, and there's no proof it was in int' waters.
“Goyim (gentiles) were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world; only to serve the People of Israel"
- Zionist Israeli Sephardic leader Rabbi Ovadia Yosef in his weekly Saturday night sermon. (October 18, 2010)
Source: JTA
And just imagine the uproar if a "Goy" had said the same thing in reference to Jewish people!!!!
Apparently it's OK for Jewish people to be as racist as they want because they're the "Chosen People".
karlkarlkarl1234 1 year ago
The people with a higher conscious understand. We get you! Your beautiful and like minded people can see that. Keep it coming!!!
daisytg1 1 year ago
America might be the cause of many problems, but it is afterall a country which can change from the inside, from its people. What I cant take is all this anger against America, while saying that you are grateful to have Russia as your neighboor? That country which killed hundred of thousands Chechnyans? A country which imposed dictatorships on all of eastern europe and still funds brutal goverments in Central Asia and European countries like Belarussia?
makro120 2 years ago
Well, you can change the world by more ways than just posting videos on youtube, I have just graduated in physics and am working on solar energy technology, this can really change the world as the way we use energy today will destroy earth for future generations.
You are sitting on a high horse lady, calling people idiots and creating a world where America is the cause of all evil in the world. Sorry, that is not the case.
makro120 2 years ago
....and Al salam Alykum.....Peace upon you too sis. ......i respect such love for humanity ...people like you fair , caring and knowledgable make life worth living. From Arabia with love.
1972abcd 2 years ago 2
nice speech
DARKinspirati0n 2 years ago
im not jewish, but im a very big supporter of israel and the jews. i see it as an emeny of israel is an enemy of mine.
dasfsadg 2 years ago
NOT MANY WILL EVER GO FROM SEEKER TO SEER. MOST BLINDED BY FALSE TEACHINGS FROM BIRTH. BEING HERE TO WITNESS, NOT TO SAVE. WHAT A REMARKABLE TIME WE LIVE IN. CHERICE THE GIFT OF BEING. WE ARE ALL WARRIORS, BUT BECAUSE OF THE DREAM, THEY FORGOT WHAT IT TAKES TO KEEP THE DREAM ALIVE. peace
mscharice09 2 years ago
TheBaByG, do not fret. You are not an anti-semite for two reasons. Number 1, you support the Palestinian people who are Semitic and number 2, Semitic is language group and not a faith. Zionists are racists who hide behind the Judaic faith. Check out "nkusa dor org".
SolomanKane2k8 2 years ago 2
you antisemite bastards!
johnsmdm 2 years ago
KEEP IT UP
morocco4ever 2 years ago 2
Anti-semitic is a way to stop people from speaking about the crimes committed by Israel like they made 250,000 calls to Gaza in 22 days and told people to get out ,then they dropped 155 mm shells with a 900 ft kill ratio n called it precision bombing ,they used Depleted uranium ammunition on every building,dust n isotopes from that is guaranteed Cancer,Dime Bombs that blew the legs off 100s of victims ,n used F16 jets against family homes, family cars,bombs with 1000s of Darts,white phosphorus
NotOurCause 2 years ago 8
Anti-semitic is a joke real jews were black these are just Khazars that use that lie anytime people spot there crimes
properwired 2 years ago 7
good video! What is the map video in the background? I´ve been searching for a thing like that in ages!
Signalement 2 years ago
Thx!
I am so sorry, I cannot find the URL where I got it from....
I will try to work out where I found it and get back to you on it!!
(damn, I was supposed to link it in the info box, cannot believe i forgot!!)
TheBaByG 2 years ago
Its ok! If you find I would appreciate it if you could just message me about it.
Ty in advance.
Signalement 2 years ago
Hypocrit !
galuiot 2 years ago
peace to you.
jon2xu 2 years ago
exactly
hahaha2531 2 years ago
"Stop the drama" LOL
Practice what you preach. Seriously, watch your own video.
1daveyp 2 years ago
there will never be peace and to make simple for u people , israel have no right to exist and the jew could live in palestine but the state of isreal have no chance whatever u go and however u kill as u always do.U KOW DEEP THAT NO 1 LOVE U ZiONAzi.
hurghada100 2 years ago
everybody WAKE UP IDF can do anything they want ,they have all the shit they need to take out anything in anyland..
THAT INCLUDES finding tunnels in gaza from satelite ..COME ON they know were they are when there built etc..so its a game of when IDF want to strike and in what intrest...
..yes it is murder..
megamichaels 2 years ago
yes you are right the mentallity is that of a 12 year old. Isreal .and palestone.
megamichaels 2 years ago
If you bash Israel for defending themselves against rabid terrorists, then the only conclusion is you are a racist anti-semite.
duckyha 2 years ago
Hey, why don't you actually use some intelligence in your answer? Making stupid accusations only makes YOU look stupid. If you make intelligent debate, you're more likely to have some impact on myself and any others who read this. You're talking like a 12 year old.
s7a8d 2 years ago
It's impossible to have an intelligent debate with bigots such as you and the woman in the video.
If you had the mental capacity for such a discussion then you wouldn't be a racist lowlife.
duckyha 2 years ago
die
yahudaar1 3 years ago
Look at the rise of anti-Arab politics in Israel. Is that truly a good thing? When Israel is so quick to claim anti-semiticism.....can the rise of an anti-Arab party be of any help? Once again, if Israel maintains good principles, they will get the support of the International community...and the clear support of most of the Arab nations. Violence and intimidation of the Palestinians just won't lead to peace ever.
paulfornasier 3 years ago
I agree with you that Syria, Iran, and Hamas/Hizbollah are not the nicest group. But the only reason they have such power through Hamas, is because of Israel's provocations. This why no one but the US is really stepping in to help Israel these days. Israel is the only one that has the power to change the issues that can bring peace, and to bring the international community on side. It takes integrity to bring them on side, and that has been lacking from both Israel and Hamas, in my opinion.
paulfornasier 3 years ago
The vast majority of the Arab world wants to see peace, and I think they can't but support the Palestinians, because they realize that there is clearly a land issue and an issue of nationhood to be resolved. Especially Saudi Arabia and Egypt...do you think they truly want to support a Hamas? No, but they clearly support Palestinians in having peace and a homeland. There is alot of sanity and clear thinking in the Arab world. There are only small factions that are fanatical and dangerious.
paulfornasier 3 years ago
Personally, I think that is Israel goes all the way and gives the PA back their land, they will have unequivocal support, both from the UN and NATO, in regard to their defense, and in regard to controlling any kind of rebellion from Iran or Hamas or Hiizbollah. The problem is that Israel will not go far enough, and the Arab world is getting riled up about the innocent deaths that are resulting from the conflict. The majority of the Arab world does not want to support Hamas in it's violence.
paulfornasier 3 years ago
First of all, it's nice to have a civilized discussion with someone on Youtube, without someone resorting to personal insults. I thank you for that.
The real question is...what will bring peace in the conflict. I think Israel has to see that the Palestinians have REAL concerns...and those real concerns are the only true path to peace. There is no peace unless Israel chooses to use it's power for peace.
paulfornasier 3 years ago
To continue, Israel claims that all the annexed land was public land - PA land, not private land. Truth is that part of the annexed land is land was owned by private Palestinians. Israel made the false claim to try to ease tension around the settlement land.
Finally, in regard to peace, Israel is trying to have everything....and force it down the throat of Palestinians. They want their land. They want to control all movement. They want to beat down all protest. Passivity or peace?
paulfornasier 3 years ago
Again, this is contrary to reality. Israel is the only democratic country in the middle east that is self-critical and transparent. Additionally, most Israelis would love nothing more than to have peace with Palestine and recognize them as a sovereign country because that would end Israel having to financially support them. Unfortunately, the Palestinians have created two piss poor organizations. The corrupt Fatah and the Islamo-fascist Hamas which essentially mirror PA attitude and have
JewMMA 2 years ago
I think you are the one living in a fantasy world. Israel will be truly democratic when it 's Arab citizens has a say. People fail to realize there is an Arab Muslim and christian population living in Israel and they dont have major representatives in the Isreai government. Anyone who are not a white jew in Isreal are second class citizens.
Badgalnicola 2 years ago
I think it is you who is denying reality. First of all, the majority of Israel's population are actually Sephardic not Asheknazi, so much for your "white second class citizen" argument. Secondly, I'm not sure how people "fail to realize" there is an Arab Muslim and Christian population that make up a little less than 20% of 16 million people whom also happen to have elected leaders in the Knesset. Just because demographics don't allow Christians or Muslims to dictate a majority Jewish cont'd.
JewMMA 2 years ago
Yes I understand that JewMMA. My question then is who are the ones with the most power in the government. Is it not the Ashkenazi, they hold most of the important positions. Regardless of the percentage, you will never see a Muslim Arab prime minister or Christian in these position of real power. Even if there where pro Israel.
Badgalnicola 2 years ago
Well, then I don't understand what you're saying or trying to ask because first you made an erroneous statement and now you're asking an obtuse question. The people that hold the power are the people. They are the ones that freely elect their leaders whether they are Ashkenazi, Sephardic, Mizrahi, Druze, Xrstian, or Arab. You're probably not going to see a Xrstian or Muslim elected prime minister in Israel for the the same reason you won't see a Jew elected president of Iraq.
JewMMA 2 years ago
You are specking as if there is a fair system. In an ideal democratic society all parties no matter how small should be represented. In American the populations of blacks do not away the whites, but Barack Obama was elected president of the U. S of America. Elected by the people. All kinds of people. We all know that the position of Power would not go to an Arab no time soon in Isreal, why JewMMA. You know very well why.
Badgalnicola 2 years ago
I'm not sure if you simply don't know enough about Israel, not reading my responses, or denying reality. Arabs and Xtrians in Israel DO have representation as blacks and hispanics do in the US. Chadash party, hello? You're confusing representation of a minority with a minority actually getting what it wants. Just because Arabs don't get what they want in Israel does not mean they're not represented. Israel is a true democracy, because minorities do have a voice in the Knesset.
JewMMA 2 years ago
So there is abrogation of the democratic system, it actually is the democratic system at play. The country's populace wants a leader that represents the interests of the nation, the nation sees that in a Jewish leader not a Muslim or Xrstian. However, Arabs and Christians can voice their opinions by voting for the leaders they like (which they put in the Knesset). In sum, for you to say that Israel is undemocratic simply because the people choose not to elect a gentile leader is absurd.
JewMMA 2 years ago
I meant "no" abrogation of the democratic system.
JewMMA 2 years ago
about stoning women an cutting limps lol...have u read ur fucking history u monkey bastard??? have u read ur fucking kabbalah u evil bastards?? u think pple r stupid an blind ..we all know what u zionist fuckers r doing in israel u sick mother fuckers....fuck israel a country built by sick pigs who claim god promised them this shit land an it was never promised...god promise pigs a land?? how come?? jews refused god even written in the bible...u pigs refused an killed many prophets...
underoath115 2 years ago
Wow, the leader of the dumb shit brigade just arrived. Thank you for exemplifying that anti-semitism, bigotry, and ignorance is still alive and well on You Tube. Do us all a favor and come back when you've developed opposable thumbs.
JewMMA 2 years ago
lol pigs want to control the world lol...all serve zion land of israel ...hehe hails ...jews r our masters lol...cz they controlled the world by usury ...decieved an manipulated nations ...even funded hitler...ever heard about ur master rothchild??lol he funded hitler to make soap out of u pigs...yet u believed him an killed innocent arabs for a sick fucking occult...who is false....real jews still exist an they will stand with muslims an real christians against zionism ..
underoath115 2 years ago
lol you lol are lol very lol ignorant lol and lol will lol believe lol whatever lol justifies lol you're lol preconceived lol notions lol about lol Jews lol..lol...lol...lol lol lol
JewMMA 2 years ago
populations domestic and foreign policy doesn't negate a democracy. Majority of the population and some of the minority such as the Druze and Christians wanting one thing and the Arab Muslims wanting another doesn't make Israel less democratic but shows the genuineness of their democracy when they let even those who wish to see the country destroyed such as the minor Arab Muslim population vote at the polls to put bat shit crazy leaders into the Knesset. If that isn't a democracy - nothing is.
JewMMA 2 years ago
thats not even the point did you even listen to her?
niddasa 2 years ago
proven to be the biggest obstacles to any sort of meaningful peace plan. While it is easy to try and categorize Israel's desire into "peace" and "passivity," in order to have a long-term peace plan, you must first have some sort of meaningful short term passivity to create that plan. Passivity is an element of peace. Peace is not merely the absence of violence but the presence of justice. The only people that can create a just and peaceful Palestine are the Palestinians.
JewMMA 2 years ago
By electing a despotic terrorist regime as their head of government, they have thrown a monkey wrench into any viable peace plan. If the Palestinians want peace, then they must elect a just government with a desire for passivity. If the Palestinians cannot engage in any sort of meaningful passivity, then a peace plan isn't even remotely a viable option to be discussed. Israel took a big step towards the peace plan with a land concession, in return Hamas took a proverbial shit on the gesture.
JewMMA 2 years ago
Hey, I appreciate all the time you took to respond to my statements. I must say....I'm grateful to communicate with someone who will stick to the topic, and express their view, and respond directly to what someone else has written. It's a rare thing, especially in regard to this conflict. I am getting a feeling for the Israeli side of the conflict....and I have to agree with most of what you say. I appreciate your humility in seeing that there are 2 sides to be viewed.
paulfornasier 2 years ago
Not a problem. And I am equally grateful to be able to engage in a civil conversation that hasn't descended into accusations of being a "TeRrORiSt!" or a "ZiONAzi!" I understand that there is a natural altruistic want to favor the underdog, however, in these types of discussions emotions tend to run high which leads to a cloud in logic and reason (BabyG). More importantly the facts of this very complex situation are understood by so very few (BabyG) and twisted by so very many (Ahmanejihad).
JewMMA 2 years ago
I agree that violence on the part of Hamas or any other Palestinian group has not served any positive purpose. It's a conflict with a difficult history, combined with the religious dynamics....and not an easy to one resolve at all. I must say that the Arabs have come a long way lately though, in being diplomatic, and restraining the part of the population that wants to respond with drastic action....especially the major arab countries...Egypt and Saudi Arabia.
paulfornasier 2 years ago
Arabs are coming further in their thinking. Some are showing some signs of unbelievable progress such as the Egyptians (especially during the Gaza/Israel conflict) yet others are retarding their growth by allowing the pernicious influences of extremist Islamo-fascism to take hold of their society such as in Iran, Afghanistan, Lebanon, and even Europe specifically France and the UK. At some point though enemies are going to become friends not because they desire it but because they must.
JewMMA 2 years ago
You are something else JewMMA, be careful your bigitory is showing or is that just plain racism. " Arabs are coming further in their thinking". WOW
Badgalnicola 2 years ago
Bigotry?! It takes one month to respond to my comments and you now cry "bigotry"? If saying Arabs are becoming more progressive in their thinking is bigotry, then I guess you must think stoning women who have been raped and cutting off the limbs of those that steal must be OK. Nothing I have said could be remotely construed as bigotry and such an accusation is merely a disingenious attempt to silence the debate.
JewMMA 2 years ago
Not all Arabs feel that stoning a women, beating your wife and cutting off the limbs of people who steal is right. For the Record JewMMA I do not agree with any of those things. I am not for terrorist, Hamas or any group or government who cause the death of innocent people and feel the killing of innocent people is justified. I am having a discussion with you and I welcome your opposing View. I commented on something you said. I take note of everything you say and even learned some new things.
Badgalnicola 2 years ago
woow have u read ur fucking sick talmud ?? or fucking crap torah?? that ur pig grandfathers tampered?? how many prophets sent by god to u fucking pigs an monkeys an u refuse the message..how many prophets killed by fucking pig jews??? ur in the wrong place u evil bastards...how much mossad pay u pigs to defend israel??
underoath115 2 years ago
The sad part is I would like to see Israel working with the United Nations. I think the Obama administration is going to make a real change, as compared to Bush, and work more on an international level, as opposed to the unilateral direction of the Bush administration. I think international justice and cooperation is the key to more peace in the world, and it will require more compromises and acknowledgement of the less powerful populations in the world.
paulfornasier 2 years ago
While in a perfect world the interests of the world would be aligned with the UN, the sad fact is that they're not. The UN has turned into a tainted political organization governed by self-interests and not the pursuit of justice. Additionally, I don't think Obama can add anything to the peace process but kind words. No U.S. president can change an ideology. The fastest way ideologies get changed is when the populace realizes the principles it upholds becomes a threat to their existence.
JewMMA 2 years ago
God bless you TheBaByG and thank you for your support.
samaki101 3 years ago
I"m amazed at the parnaoia of Israeli people. The response to any protest regarding the behaviour of Israel in the world is an anti-semitic claim. Israelis are obsessed with this claim that the world is out to hate them, and persecute them. Yes, there's history, but history is history. It's time to live in the reality of now....yet Israelis refuse to do that. To the outside world, it'is seen as propaganda. To Israelis, it seems to be an obsession of paranoia....it's a sad truth to live by.
paulfornasier 3 years ago
I'm amazed at the readily accpetance of various muslim brotherhood movements throughout the world, like Hamas, Hezbollah, and the leftist ideals that embrace such hate groups. I think Israeli's understand obviously better than you do paulfornasier the soncept of anti-semitism, as expressed by all its neighbours and the growing Islamofacist movements worldwide.
You are a shame to Canada paul
Thunderwavia 3 years ago
There is much more to say. Yes, there are jewish people who are willing to see both sides of the story, but you don't seem to be one of them. It's hard not to take sides when a governement is creating a humanitarian disaster, and takes no responsibility for it. You probably justify the killing of thousands in Iraq by George Bush, based on a bunch of lies and propaganda.......it was the exact same thing. The propaganda was enormous from the Israeli government.
paulfornasier 3 years ago
israel blamed all deaths on Hammas, regardless of who did the killing. They say that Hammas is responsible now for anything done in the region, although it is clear that there are other groups operating....and this is after they destroyed all the infrastructure and buildings associated witht the governement. It's plain stupid Israeli political posturing. Has it changed anthing? How about the fact that Israel armed and helped grow Hammas in order to oppose Arafat when Israel opposed him?
paulfornasier 3 years ago
Are you knowledgeable about the fact that Israel and the US have played a role in the growth in strength of Islamic Militants? Israel supported Hammas militarily to try to destabilize Arafat. The US supported the creation of Al Quaeda in order to fight Russia in Afghanistan. The US has done it in many places....lots in South America and Central America, and elsewhere in the world. So, who will take responsibility for creating their own enemies? And Israel still now justifies the killing?
paulfornasier 3 years ago
You don't understand that the real issue is the suffering, neglect and abuse of the Palestinian population for many years, by the Isreali government, and the readiness of the Israelis to use military, rather than diplomacy, and the willingness of the US to back them. This is the REAL problem. "Anti-semitic" and "terrorism" are labels coming from Israeli paranoia, and Israeli desensitization to the killing of Palestinians. Who hold the power to change things in the region? Israel or Gaza?
paulfornasier 3 years ago
Let's get this straight. I am not pro-Hamas, but after this incursion by Israel, I am very protective of Palestinian rights....something that Israel does not regard as important....or they would not have taken the path they did. Israel is just out to intimidate, and for their politicians to show force and strength prior to elections. They planned this, prior to the ceasefire being broken in December....and it was Israel who broke the ceasefire in November...and through the continuing blockade
paulfornasier 3 years ago
yeah, at first i was really surprised by the paranoia of israeli people, too. i just didnt get why israelis thought everyone hated jews! but you know what i realize? they just use this word, antisemetism, to invoke guilt and sympathy from the person saying it. many times, americans or whatever recoil when called anti-semites. it makes you feel racist, even though youre not. they want to use that word to remind you of the holocaust. i know that i dont hate jews, just murderers (israel)
waterroadtree324 3 years ago
im sure its a justified paranoia when 6 mill were systematicly massacred juts 50 yrs ago
babyboomer22 3 years ago
I'm sure all paranoia can be justified. The problem is when it's used on a political level, or media level, so as to counter legitimate disagreement with Israel's actions. Reality here and now is where life really happens, no matter what excuse anyone has in regard to the past. The point is that the anti-semetic card needs to be used more selectively. True dissent needs to be heard and listened to.
paulfornasier 3 years ago
i understand that there is some level concern among jews i have no problem with critisim of the state of isreal but comparing them to nazis !!! its saddening ill use a metaphor to explain
imagine that last week your father was killed (god forbid ) and you move back into his house but as your unpacking your stuff a man runs up to you tries to kill you you punch him in the face and kall the police but instead of being called justified in your self defense you are called your fathers murderer?
babyboomer22 3 years ago
I agree with you. These are stupid and dangerous comments for anyone to make. But it was hard to resist the comparison of Gaza with a concentration camp, when the Israeli government was and still is withholding aid destined for Gaza. Prior to the war, over 700 trucks of aid entered per day. Now, Israel is only allowing approximately 120 trucks per day. The govt of France sent a portable water system for clean drinking water, and the Israeli government turned them back in the past week.
paulfornasier 3 years ago
true its sounds pretty terrible when you put it that way although i do think isreal is the only country in the world which would even allow 120 trucks in they are at war with gaza and the laws of war do not give isreal any commitment to help the ppl of gaza considering that 80% of the ppl help militant orgnizations one way or another
babyboomer22 3 years ago
I think Gaza is a tough situation, because, in many ways, it's just a big refugee camp. Over 1.5 million people who don't have a legitimate nation. And I don't agree with the 80% number. From what I'm told, the majority voted for Hamas, but they don't necessarily participate in any military action. Remember that a large part of the Hamas governement was the normal administrative functions of governement, police, education, utilities etc. It is Israel that sees them just as terrorists.
paulfornasier 3 years ago
Keep in mind that Israel is not saintly. They broke the last ceasefire by killing some Palestinians in early November, and that's when the rockets really started coming. Also, when are they ever going to stop having settlements in the West Bank? Israel hold the power to change alot of the realities of life for Palestinians, but there are interests in Israel that refuse to pull back their illegal settlements, and do not want the the Palestinians to have a homeland., and so the violence goes on
paulfornasier 3 years ago
notice in the video the little girls says we hate JEWS not zionists jews
babyboomer22 3 years ago
I agree that outright racial or religious discrimination is inexcusable. The point I'm trying to make is that on the Israeli side the claim of discrimination cannot be used a defense against legitimate dissent...legitimate disagreement regarding the actions of the Israeli government. The governement of Israel must look at what they are doing to bring on the violence against the Jews.....just like americans under Bush needed to look at the same in regard to hatred of americans. Power corrupts.
paulfornasier 3 years ago
Um, the rockets have been coming for 8 years. Saying the ceasefire was broken by Israel is utterly laughable considering that they only killed six Hamas gunmen who were digging a tunnel from Gaza into Israel to kidnap Israeli soldiers (Gilad Shalit, anyone?). In response to the raid, Hamas launched 35 rockets into southern Israel indiscriminately at a civilian population. If the Palestinians want peace they should try not electing a despotic terrorist regime as their head of gov't.
JewMMA 3 years ago
Hey, it's easy to respond to just one issue. How about Israel having over 120 Jewish-Only settlements on Palestinian land. Do you realize how much of the West Bank these settlements occupy, including roads and land now unusable by Palestinians? How long has Israel illegally occupied Palestinian land? There is alot that Israel can do to bring peace. The problem is the resistance that is backed by right-wing politics. Sadly, Israel is a big part in creating the conflict.
paulfornasier 3 years ago
Once again your position relies on a false premise. Israel is not "illegally" occupying anything. The West Bank, Gaza, like the Golan Height were legally annexed as the result of Israel fighting and winning defensive wars. The Right-wing politics is the only thing that keeps Israel secure. As we saw with the painful land concessions made by a left-wing faction essentially giving the land away for "peace," all Israel got return were Qassam rockets and an even more radical Hamas.
JewMMA 3 years ago
Regarding the West Bank, the legality of the annexation of land is not clearly legal. There have been several United Nations resolutions asking Israel to return the land and stating that their annexation contravenes the Geneva convention. So. let's operate from that point....there are two views expressed....one is Israel...and the other is most of the rest of the world.
paulfornasier 3 years ago
Much of this discussion regards UN Resolution 242 which Israel rightly has been rejecting. Pursuant to the resolution, Israel would hand back the land legally annexed during the 1967 war for "peace." Now, this proposition was quite ridiculous considering who the offering party was and the effect it would have on Israel's vulnerability from a geographical stand point. The offering parties who were so willing to accept the land for "peace" were the same "peaceful" neighbors that tried (cont'd)
JewMMA 3 years ago
I would have to counter that this position is not consistent with reality. Numerous countries including the U.S. recognized the legality of Israel's current borders while others may view the contrary. The point you would have to operate from is that there are two view points: Israel's and her allies versus the Arab League and theirs.
JewMMA 2 years ago
Something not mentioned often...but did you know that Israel backed Hamas a number of years ago, in their bid to overthrow or destabilize Arafat. So, here they are strengthening and giving weapons to so-called terrorists....and now they claim they have to fight a war against terrorists. George Bush and his buddies all over again.....same with Al Quaeda...and in South/Central America also. Truth is....does Israel really to settle the dispute with the Palestinians? Not likely.
paulfornasier 3 years ago
Something often reiterated but hardly investigated is that Israel didn't "create" Hamas. Hamas known as "Mujama" back in the 80s was a charitable organization that appeared peaceful and devoted to building infrastructure in Palestine. Israel let Mujama thrive, because unlike Fatah they weren't violent. However, what was fostered in their Islamic institutions that Israel saw as a progressive movement in Palestine was actually the teachings of fundamentalist Islam bred into what is today Hamas.
JewMMA 3 years ago
I understand what you are saying,, but also be aware when you are reading Israeli-biased material, just as I need to be aware of material biased against the Israelis. For me, I will never take anything from Al Jazeera or the Iranian media as truth. This is plain common sense when it comes to media bias. The one thing I have also heard is that Israel, through Mossad, funded Hamas militarily, in order to destabilize Arafat. Now, you can't agree that that was a good thing??
paulfornasier 3 years ago
Let us not forget that it was Israel, which in fact created Hamas. According to Zeev Sternell, historian at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, "Israel thought that it was a smart ploy to push the Islamists against the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO)".
paulfornasier 3 years ago
Additionally, how does that logically justify Hamas firing rockets into Israel today? The point is that it doesn't. Assuming arguendo that Israel created Hamas (which it didn't), that is like saying that since I decided to own a snake I should let live even it attacks without provocation, because I made the decision to own it.
JewMMA 3 years ago
My last comment. You can't blame Palestinians for having the desire to have land back, that was theirs at some point. I'm referring to the large population that was forced out of Israel at the time of the creation of the Israeli state and the subsequent war. The whole idea of Israel was a good thing, but it's easy to see that it could be felt as a stab in the heart for many arabs that lived in the land for many years. This is where one must see that compromise is necessary on both sides.
paulfornasier 3 years ago
I have no problem with a compromise such as a two state solution, however, a compromise shouldn't necessitate self-immolation by one of the parties. Additionally, the Palestinian refugee problem was created by Arab aggression in the form of a five nation invasion. Historically, Israel had gladly accepted the UN Partition agreement which left them with only 1/3 of what they have today consisting of 2/3's desert. The Arab league rejected this while the world accepted it, and then launched (cont'd)
JewMMA 2 years ago
Israel wants passivity, not true peace. True peace gives strength and respect to both sides.
paulfornasier 3 years ago
As someone that has dual citizenship with Israel, has been there, and actually knows Israeli, this comment really flies in the face of reality. Israelis want nothing but peace. However, what was once an argument about land has now turned into a religious fanaticism by Hamas as evidenced by their most recent incursions. Additionally, what sense does it make for Israel to vacate more of its own land just to have the void filled by Iranian backed terrorist regimes.
JewMMA 3 years ago
What Hamas wants is a one state solution - not peace nor mere passivity. If the Palestinians want so much as mere "passivity," then they should try not electing a despotic terrorist regime as their head of government. The ball is Palestine's court if they want peace, because it is now in their hands. Perhaps when they start loving their children more than they hate Jews, there will peace between Palestine and Israel. However, that requires them to start embracing life rather than death.
JewMMA 3 years ago
I'm not saying that Hamas wants passivity. I'm saying that Israel wants passivity from the Palestinians. Israel is not dealing with the true issues that can lead to peace.
paulfornasier 3 years ago
two unsuccessful invasion of the country. Second, reverting back to the pre-1967 borders would leave Israel with an mere 10 mile gap at its narrowest point leaving major cities and towns susceptible to rocket fire and high powered machine guns. The land for "peace" deal has proven to be just a farce to chip away at Israel in order to make it more vulnerable to Arab aggression.
JewMMA 3 years ago
I think it is quite unfair to blame Israel for "not dealing with the issues" when it has become apparent that the only language of diplomacy Palestine chooses to speak with is violence via firing rockets. When Palestine chooses to use elections responsibly by electing a government that is truly interested in a peace plan - not merely playing the victim to the world media to halt Israeli military strikes in order to armor up for another assault then maybe there will be progress.
JewMMA 2 years ago
a five nation invasion. The Palestinian refugee problem was created by the Arab world by refusing to care for the same Palestinians that they use as their scape goats to demonize Israel and by not signing a peace treaty with the new country of Israel. Now, I know Israel has some blemishes on its human rights record, however, those infringements pale in comparison to their neighboring autocratic governments. If people are going to criticize a democratic government, let's try proportionality.
JewMMA 2 years ago
You want to be proud to be Russia's neighbour? Huh?
anayway, Whats your view on this video?
Please view and comment, I value your views, and would like to expand how you think
The root causes of the Gaza conflict in less than 6 minutes
link doesnt seem to work so youtbe search it :)
Thunderwavia 3 years ago
more than 5 minutes speaking of nothing
only a woman is able to do that :D
Gellande 3 years ago
+5 you said the right thing donot let any fool turn you down
Midoxp1 3 years ago
TheBaByG,
You speak the truth. You shouldnt change. You should allways speak too much - it suits you. Your too strong to let any fool put you down. YOU know that your not racist, everyone who thinks right KNOWS your not racist. If you find someone who was born yesterday(waking up from a 20 year coma,w/e)and explain to them the situation-leaving nothing hidden on both sides, you KNOW which side they should pick.And that should be enough to show yourself how real and anti-racist you are.
RapidNova 3 years ago
Hell,i would try my upmost best to keep you from stealing my house.You would too.Everyone would. So now your denying HAMAS the right to stick up for themselves. Let me tell you that what Israel is doing IS NOT CLASSED AS SELF DEFENCE! Thinkg about it. 2000+ innocents killed at day 8?Self defence or massacre? Ok it MIGHT be ok classing it as self defence... IF ATLEAST 500 Israelis were killed. But at day 8, less than 15 israelis hav died,3 of whic were killed by their own tanks in freindly fire.
RapidNova 3 years ago
KustomKulture, your comment is irrelevent.Your speaking through a twisted mind.ANYONE who supports Israel, specially at this stage, is trueley twisted."My freind feels sorry for me, let said i can take your house.C'mon, on ur bike, ur house is mine now."If that ACTUALLY happened, lets be honest here, youd take a swing at me ATLEST!if you had a gone,then i guess i'd be getting shot,and dont lie here,or it'll show how twisted you are.EVERYONE would stick up for themselves.
RapidNova 3 years ago
ok thats nice that ur sticking up for people, but where were your videos about the bombardment for a week on israeli citizens (where were you warning what was gonna happen to them if they kept launching bombs) for an entire week before they did anything. this is hypocrisy, cause without those bombs being launched israel wouldnt have dont anything.
i cheered when israel stuck up for itself. because sometimes sticking up for yourself isnt the popular thing to do.
KustomKulture420 3 years ago
dear TheBaByG:
you are not in any sense a racist.
you stand for what is right and it's 100% obvious, Zionists try to associate anti-zionism with anti-semitism and this is bull.
don't let these assholes get to you, if all people in the world have good morals like you do, the world will be a much better place. so keep it up and allow to to give you an applause.
Malazoov 3 years ago 2
I asked you to defend your statement of "most humane army on the planet"!! Still waiting
daliOtter 3 years ago
I'll give you a good analogy.
1. Islam is mental Disiese, worse than judaism and christianity)
2. Cancer is treatable, but when it gone too far - it MUST be cut off.
4. Hamas is shooting randomly into CIVILIANS, since your goal is to distroy as many civilians as possible. No calls, no warnings before Kassam. You rejoiced when 9:11 happened
5. ISRAEL has capabilites to turn Gaza into one big and shiny Parking Lot within 4-5 minutes. It doesn't do it though it can (and must). Think about it.
amper0003 3 years ago
Hamas beheading video:
watch?v=eXPx5faFA_A&feature=rec-HM-fresh+div
Warning: not for the squeamish!
boskinator 3 years ago
Russia is tired of her own islamic terrorists. Had always been since 14th AD. I am Russian, I know that. I haven't seen your dramatic performance on islamic cold blood massacre in the elementary school of Beslan when hundreds of little children died their 1st day school. Neither you've unloaded your ire on terrorists in Bali, Moscow, London, Madrid, Algeria (millions killed by muslims), on massacres, taking place in Darfur right now. You are so TYPICAL combination of bloody heart and hypocricy.
amper0003 3 years ago
if every people on this planet were like you , me and the people who thinks like us, it would be such a great place
darealcase 3 years ago
Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep. Ps 121:4
mousey1952 3 years ago
You know what? I'm not for talking anybody's dignity, property, or life. Neither are you, I can't stand Zionism, or virulent Islam. It's that Zionism is more inculcated in my government. If it where a bunch of Islamic maniacs running my country I'd be pissed too.
Don't let the crap get to you, smile.
chewbaca1989 3 years ago
I'm not anti semitic either, Hamas is a bunch of satanic terrorist, and they are responsible for the deaths of the Palestenians not Israel. God Bless Israel
mousey1952 3 years ago
people around the world are just ignoring the "anti-semitic" tactic...they know whoever uses it is just full of shit
TheFlex21 3 years ago
speak it sister. you are a beautiful soul inside and out.
cv1122 3 years ago 2
The Zionists themselves are fomenting anti-semitism. I myself am feeling anti-Jewish. That is the power of this Zionist brainwashing. There is nothing that rivals death and destruction in generating hate.
DocuJunk 3 years ago 2
The suggestion that the Palestinians, who have no army, are waging a war against Israel, one of the world's strongest military powers expands the idea of war into the realms of doublespeak. Palestinians are resisting Israel's occupation.
daliOtter 3 years ago
Wrong again.
I can see that you're not open to discussion/learning.
Too bad.
boskinator 3 years ago
The Pals in Gaza have their own elected government. Self rule (ish).
Victims of concentration camps had NOTHING. They were worked to starvation or killed in gas chambers and ovens.
You cannot reasonably compare the two.
boskinator 3 years ago
Dude - be reasonable.
It is not a concentration camp, and you know it. Like I said, I have been to Auschwitz, and have heard first-hand accounts from family members of the atrocities comitted.
Israel is not eliminating a people. They have the capability to do so, however. The fact that they haven't turned Gaza into a parking lot attests to this fact.
Let's stick to facts here - not emotional responses.
boskinator 3 years ago
Gaza is NOT a concentration camp - I have been to Auschwitz...have you? Members of my family were killed there. Please do not make that comparison again - it's inaccurate and disrespectful.
The Pals have their freedom in their own hands (well, in Hamas' hands, anyways).
I agree that death and war suck.
Phosphorous: the jury is still out on that one - just remember that it was Al-Jazeera who broke the story. Not exactly the most balnaced news source...
boskinator 3 years ago
Wait - you're referring to the 6 day war of 1967, not when the modern state of Israel was created. In '67, Abdel Nasser, president of Egypt wanted to create 'Pan-Arabism' - basically a sham, due to his waning support. He called for the surrounding arab nations to 'push the Jews into the sea'.
In '48, the surrounding arab nations collectively attacked the fledgling state - and lost. Gaza was annexed by Egypt, and the West Bank was annexed by Jordan. Why didn't pals demand a state then???
boskinator 3 years ago
You haven't stated any facts here.
The Zionist Jews, as you call them, cannot be compared to Hitler's Nazis. They do not run concentration camps. They do not want the extermination of the Palestinian people. They are not trying to take over the middle east.
THEY want peace. They want to be left alone.
What is the 'fucked up shit' you are referring to? The current siege of Gaza? You admitted in your Illuminati Gaza and Sheep video that the IDF IS trying to minimize civilian casualties.
boskinator 3 years ago
a) When did I say he was a Jew hater?
b) What is a jewbot, pray tell?
c) How am I a hater? By stating facts?
boskinator 3 years ago
Yes, they were willing to live in peace and yes, they were prepared for the Arab wave that would most certainly hit them.
Any questions?
boskinator 3 years ago
Oh, and I just read the info on this video - apparently, the author of it deems it necessary to censor comments. How 'big brother' of her - just like the Islamofascists. NO DISSENT ALLOWED.
boskinator 3 years ago
Great video, much love from America. Peace will prevail!!
daliOtter 3 years ago
Do you have job? If not get one. Your not a good commentator.
If you want do something, go to gaza and stand up and say the same things your saying now. You'll probably end up being taken hostage. your talk is cheap. Actions are louder than words.
Papa1821 3 years ago
I made a video about this situation and tried presenting a very balanced and unbiased viewpoint. A couple of ppl still called me anti-Semite. LOL. I really like some of the things you're saying about this whole mess.
bcj999 3 years ago 2
Cool video. I've seen you around a couple times but didn't come here to your site till OWP sent me. I liked what I saw & I'm going to subscribe.
You're right in your perspective on injustice - we've got to stop making it conditional or, worse yet, race or religion specific.
Everyone needs to learn what they can of the Palestinian plight, & then seriously think about how they would feel if the Palestinians were doing that to Israelis. If you don't feel exactly the same, that's a problem.
FeelFreeToArgue 3 years ago
You may not be a racist, but you sure are ignorant. You ask "how can anyone support a country like Israel?", but what you don't understand is that it is the Israelis fighting for their lives, not the Palestinians! Your hatred is not based on race, but is a hatred for "Western Society". Israel is a free nation. It is Israel that should be defended.
USPatriot3 3 years ago
"Israelis fighting for their lives, not the Palestinians!"
That's so far from true. Live in Palestine and then tell me who are the ones "fighting for their lives"...
Israel are the attackers and they don't want peace. Yeah you're so right... they're free to oppress as many people as they want, free to steal what they want, free to kill who they want, free to break as many laws as they want etc.
mizarab 3 years ago 4
Let's see you're other massacre videos, then.
Darfur? Mumbai? London? 9/11? Madrid? Where are those videos?
They're fighting over nothing? Daily rocket attacks are NOTHING? A 'political' party (Hamas) who's charter calls for the destruction of Israel?
We are trashing you because you are misinformed. You are spreading propaganda, just like the Palestinians want you to.
boskinator 3 years ago
Go somewhere else with your PROPAGANDA boskinator, you'll find few morons here that believe your crap. I'm willing to bet if I check your page I'll find that you have never spoken out about any of the situations you just mentioned. Now I'm off to see if i won my bet!!
daliOtter 3 years ago
What propaganda, daliOtter? Be specific and feel free to refute (with facts and proof) anything I say. I love a good debate.
After looking at YOUR channel, I can see that you're a left-wing apologist (the new fascist), and a common anti-semite. Yawn.
boskinator 3 years ago
As for your propaganda?? You just called me a left-wing apologost and a common anti-semite!! How can I be an anti-semite, I like Palestinians. You also call me left-wing, so you believe anyone in America that is a strict Constitutionalist is a left wing fascist,your ignorance here is is so obvious I don't even feel the need to take a jab at you. By the way,loved your videos on Darfur, oh thats right, you've never made any. How surprising!!
daliOtter 3 years ago
Oh, I'm sorry... I meant to say JEW HATER. Please forgive me. You do hate Jews, don't you? Or, let me guess, you don't hate Jews but you hate Zionists?
I don't have any videos on Darfur, you are correct. Actually, I technically don't have any videos, so I'm an equal opportunity non-video maker.
As far as 'taking a jab at me', go ahead. Gimme your best shot.
Or better yet, please explain your support for the 'poor, downtrodden, helpless and opressed' Palestinians.
boskinator 3 years ago
Looks like someone has seen my posts out there. Is your other name Maven by chance? I am against Zionism and yet I do not hate Jews. There is a difference and more Jews are comming out and stating as much. Zionism is the other side of the coin from Fascism and just has better public relations.
Israel and the Arab world are both guilty of using Palestinians as political tools. The 'poor, downtrodden, helpless and opressed' Palestinians are JUST THAT. Of course the Israelis, or Arabs...
ShootBlueHelmets 3 years ago
Please explain, in detail, how Zionism is the other side of same coin as Fascism.
Israel is guilty of one thing - defending itself from terror.
boskinator 3 years ago
Define terror? Is having an occupation of your land and home by force of arms terror? Is it having your home torn down by armored bulldozers and being made homeless that others may settle upon it illegaly terror? Is having your water supply rerouted to fill the swimming pools of these settlers while you now have a little dirty water trucked in. Not having enough of your own water to drink while others soak in it? That is not terror?
You mistake me for some mainstream media worshipper.
ShootBlueHelmets 3 years ago
I think you are confused
I wrote "Please explain, in detail, how Zionism is the other side of same coin as Fascism. " I did not ask you to define terror.
So, can you do it?
boskinator 3 years ago
I think I just did. You can check the second part of my reply. If you do not see any similarities already, you may be confused.
ShootBlueHelmets 3 years ago
I will try an post video replies here, if the video owner permits. One I just sent is of the water situation I mentioned. That is just one of MANY examples I could post. Another I will try to post is of liberty, a way all humans could live in peace, if everyone recognized it.
Oh, the actions of the folks that treat the Palestinians and their water like this are Zionists. Regular Jews in and away frim Israel do not all support this. A Zionist thinks they are special and chosen by their god...
ShootBlueHelmets 3 years ago
I must correct you here - a Zionist is someone who wants a homeland where they can be free of MILENNIA of persecution - oh wait - didn't something bad happen to the jews 70 years or so ago...what was thing called...oh yeah, the Holocaust.
boskinator 3 years ago
They now have a homeland, the search is over. Therefore, what need for a search. End of need of Zionist viewpoint. That term is often cunfused with some warm, fuzzy image that does not exist. You may as well say Nazis are just folks that wanted a living space as well. Hey, that is pretty much what Hitler claimed. How sweet an inoccent is that? It was not, neither is what is happening now in the name of a Fatheland.
ShootBlueHelmets 3 years ago
Are you for real?
How can you equate Jews in Israel to Hitler?
Hitler systematically (ovens, gas chambers,etc) killed 20 MILLION PEOPLE, and almost succeeded in taking over Europe.
What is happening now, is a defensive response, and you KNOW it.
boskinator 3 years ago
Zion part 2... They think nothing they do in support of expanding their gain, or that of Israel is wrong. Their god loves it and them and the land is theirs by right of god's will and so on. This is evil and it is crap. Not all Jews are like this and have been getting a lot of blowback for centuries for crap that is not their fault. In fact, I fear for Jews and the future that may come from attitudes like the ones you espouse. The blood of any future holocaust is on the heads of those like you.
ShootBlueHelmets 3 years ago
So, essentially, you're saying that if Israel gets wiped off the map, it's their fault for defending their right to exist peacefully? Typical...but Hamas and the Pals have full justification for suicide bombings and rocket attacks?
Wow, I never realized that there were this many twisted fucks out there. I'm in shock.
boskinator 3 years ago
Boskinator, you try to put words in my mouth again. I never said "that if Israel gets wiped off the map, it's their fault for defending their right to exist peacefully." I said "Not all Jews are like this and have been getting a lot of blowback for centuries for crap that is not their fault. In fact, I fear for Jews and the future that may come from attitudes like the ones you espouse. The blood of any future holocaust is on the heads of those like you." I am not blaming a THEY, I'm blaming YOU
ShootBlueHelmets 3 years ago
Blaiming me for telling the truth? So, you're saying that if there is a future Holocaust, my views will be the cause of it?
LOL.
The world has already cast judgement on Israel - I don't think my opinion will sway it one way or another.
What a ridiculous to thing to say.
BTW - do you speak for all Jews? Are you Jewish? Do you have relatives who perished in the concentration camps? Have you lived in Israel? If you answer 'no' to all of these questions, please stop speaking for 'US'. THANKS.
boskinator 3 years ago
...could easily help the Palestinians with the ocean of money they all have, yet refuse to do so. You would likely further dehumanize Palestinians based on your previous descriptions and defend Israels lack of support based on the violence. Placing blame for violence from either side is like trying to say if the chicken, or the egg came first. It is a cycle. The living conditions for the Palis are sub-human. They fire some bottle rockets into Israel and it turns into an excuse to slaughter...
ShootBlueHelmets 3 years ago
They made their own bed - now let them sleep in it.
If you want to speak in terms of chicken/egg: the Jews were more than willing to live in peace in 1948 - it was not them who attacked, now was it.
After the conflict, Jordan annexed the West Bank, and Egypt annexed Gaza. Why didn't the Pals demand statehood back then?
Their living conditions are the responsibility of Hamas, their ELECTED government, not Israel. Israel still supplies them with water, petrol and electricity, however.
boskinator 3 years ago
part 3...slaughter hundreds of civilians. Then, this cycle will continue. It is not right, for the Palestinians, or the Jews, or for any of us.
If you think this cycle of violence is cool and sweet and sustainable, go to Israel and join the IDF. If it does continue, all aid should cease from the US and Israel can kill all it wants to with no help from us.
Peace through war is 1984. The only way to peace is through peace.
ShootBlueHelmets 3 years ago
Hey, have you noticed that there haven't been any suicide attacks in Israel recently?
Looks like the 'Apartheid' wall is working.
And why no condemnation of Hamas? Not only are they devoted to the destruction of Israel, they terrorize their own people as well, for God's sake.
boskinator 3 years ago
The Zion promised to Jews claims land to old Babylon and more. The new Zionism is seeking just that and will not be sattisfied with anything less.
ShootBlueHelmets 3 years ago
Yes, Hamas sucks too. They keep the cycle of violence going. I have mentioned all sides having points of blame, so please do not use such douchebag tactics as "well, you did not mention this name brand," as a distraction
ShootBlueHelmets 3 years ago
How is it a 'douchebag tactic' to ask that critisism be balanced?
boskinator 3 years ago
Simple, it is a douchebag tactic to ask that criticism be balanced, when it has already been balanced. I had already stated, once again, that both sides have faults in this conflict. Then you try to discredit me for not mentioning Hamas, even though I mentioned Palestinians. Hence, douchebag tactic.
ShootBlueHelmets 3 years ago
Hamas is the agressor here, and you know it.
You did not mention them in any of your posts.
It's obvious that you side with the Palestinians (Hamas?). You even argue like the islamofascists - they love using insults to hammer home their points. Well done.
boskinator 3 years ago
Hmmm, I love how the ad-hominym folks love to whine about personal attacks. This, right after you call me a "twisted fuck." I guess you are an "islamofascist."
I am not a Muslim. I do not buy into that religion, your religion, or anyone else's. I am not on the Pali's side, or the Izzy's side. I do not buy into the Israel is holy and filled with sunshine and puppies vs. the Muslims are all evil and it is really cool to kill them and their women and children too propaganda.
ShootBlueHelmets 3 years ago
Again, I fully admited to not mention the name brand - Hamas. You did not mention the IDF did you? Me neither. I did refer to Palestinians and Israelis quite a bit though. For you to pick at that one point, yet again, shows your strawman argumentation. Want to repeat this one again? Say I did not mention Hamas for the X time. By the way... Hamas and IDF suck. The CYCLE of violence sucks, war sucks and last but not least, YOU SUCK! Get some glasses. Your world view is myopic at best.
ShootBlueHelmets 3 years ago
The IDF is fully supported by the Israeli people. They are the most humane army in the world. So let me correct you: Hamas sucks.
They hide behind their own civilians. They attack civilians exclusively. They store weapons in residential areas. Suicide bombing. Sharia Law. Shall I continue?
I'm not disputing that the violence should end. I'm placing blame on the AGGRESSORS.
boskinator 3 years ago
Most humane army in the world??
How about the attack on the USS Liberty, the bombing of a UN school, the killing of Red Cross aid workers. How about IDF soldiers standing by doing nothing while Israeli children throw rocks at Palis and international aid workers, or the ramming of a pleasure boat carrying much needed medical supplies to Gaza while it was still in International Waters. Care to explain?
daliOtter 3 years ago
USS Liberty: Friendly fire during 6 day war.
Bombing of UN school: Hamas target, mortars fired from there.
Red Cross: not sure what you're referring to.
Israeli children rocks: not sure what you're referring to
Pleasure boat rammed:the boat should not have been trying to break through their blockade during A WAR! They're lucky the IDF didn't destroy them. Besides - there were anti-war activists and reporters on board - hardly a 'pleasure' boat, and there's no proof it was in int' waters.
boskinator 3 years ago
USS Liberty watch?v=bH-oZHBzOe8
daliOtter 3 years ago
Bombing of UN school
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daliOtter 3 years ago
Israel attacks Red Cross aid convoy
watch?v=oNbCW2rmWn4
daliOtter 3 years ago
Irael children throw rocks, IDF does nothing
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watch?v=fPXpL-Nydx4
daliOtter 3 years ago