Prabhupada said ritviks are stupid. Prove he didn't. Prove he said anything because nowadays you challenge everything he did say. What will you take as proof. Not letters, not tapes, not books. You reject everything just like the so called scientists who do not accept things that go against their views. Ritviks suck!
Harry, PROVE PRABHUPADA wrote the letters and meant for the books to be printed exactly how they are or were. I only accept what I can see, not what I can hear from the disciplic succession. Isn't that the ritvik philosophy? Show me the letters. Show me the handwriting of His Divine Grace otherwise how can we accept anything at all.
That is the way of the disciplic succession. One learns by hearing, not by challenging anything and everything and being foolish and puffed up about it.
harry k are you saying narayana maharaja is correct when he offensefully claims Prabhupada has only given us the basement? That prabhupada only gave us the abc's and we need to go to him NM to get more? Get a brain. Get a life. Follow ISKCON AND GO BACK TO HOME BACK TO GODHEAD. Grow up spiritually, you need it. i hate you
"....one should not talk nonsense. When speaking in spiritual circles, one's statements must be upheld by the scriptures. One should at once quote from scriptural authority to back up what he is saying."
Maybe YOU should read Lilamrita again, find the quote, then we are in knowledge. However unless you can do that, how does anyone know if what you say is true or not. Are we supposed to blindly believe you? .. Just because YOU say so, eh?
Read the lillamrta once in a while and THERE you will find the quote about where Prabhupada said he has given us the structure. It is in regards to Varnashrama. He is also saying he has only done half his work. He does NOT say I have only given you the basement!
aloysiusish claims " Prabhupada said I have given you everything, I have made the structure and all you have to do is fill it in." Really? When, Where did he say this?
"Unless it is there from me in writing, there are so many things that "Prabhupada said." (Srila Prabhupada Letter, 2/9/75)
"...just like in our ISKCON there are so many false things: "Prabhupada said this, Prabhupada said that." (Srila Prabhupada Letter, 7/11/72)
when i click on this video the obama girl comes up as the related videos!! lol. wtf does harryk108 watch in his spare time. dude watching porn and jerking off is not good for your memory, is that why u forget things like instructions. Haha. Jerk off! Do all of your people watch porn?! haha.
De qualquer forma ... rasgar uma foto de SS.SPrabhupada é DEMONÍACO!
A Iskcon tem uma péssima mania de achar que "ELES" são santos, verdadeiros seguidores de SS.S Prabhupada ... o resto do mundo é demonio, e estão prontos pra irem ao inferno! Ridiculo.
How dare they blaspheme Srila Prabupada, Disregard his instruction and insult parampara. Do they think themselves higher then Prabhupada himself to try to interpret what he so clearly set forth. Conveniant that "Back to Prabhupada" was so innocently described as just a magazine and the Rtvik just another devotee, They know they have no place preaching at ISKCON events.
how can they have a spiritual life when they commit so much Vaisnava aparhada with no remmorse.
Detroit Wrath Yatra 2006 was a PUBLIC festival. As such everyone was welcome. If ISKCON don't want people to come to PUBLIC festivals they should make that clear PUBLICLY prior to the event.
The biggest insult to the PARAMPARA was made by ISKCON when they VOTED homosexuals and possibly pedophiles also, into the disciplic succession.
As for offensive behaviour, ISKCON are masters of that also. Ask HH Narayan Maharaja, HH Govinda Maharaja or any other followers of HH Shridar Maharaja.
offer your ritz to krishna? bogus! Krishna doesn't like Ritz or ritviks who offend Prabhuapada by saying they know his order when he ORDERED us to listen to the GBC you fools! The Math are ENVIOUS and also want to steal from Krishna! Only they who stay in ISKCON are the true saints in Kali Yuga! ISKCON ki jaya! Ritviks boo!
It's the result following such "gurus". Beating, banning, murder. This "gurus" actually teach people that it is Gods pleasure to kill all people who don't accept them. Praphupada had a true perception of the bona fide pure devotee and spiritual master, which actually is Jesus and none other. Jesus is ONE and ONLY master and not one of many. Prabhupada just acts as placeholder as long as the followers are not able to grasp the truth and to prevent a takeover of demoniac impostor gurus.
srila acbsp said to srila bnarayan maharaja ,please take care of my disciples they are like monkeys,only know how to figth,just see there he is mr. great gringoguru hh ravindra suarupa maharaja is figthing like the great jambavan or hanuman ,at least he makes me remnber my name also yhs jambavan das a.
"We shall be very careful about them(His envious not even ordinary human beings godbrothers)and NOT MIX with them.THIS IS MY ISTRUCTION TO YOU ALL.They cannot help us in our movement,but they are very competent to HARM our natural progress.So we must be very careful about them".
Quote thr true Acarya Saint Srila Prabhupada,or shut up please.
if srila narayana maharaja says cangurus that is a bleesing,imagine how wonderfull to be a canguru in goloka vrindavan jumping and playing whith nanda kishor.
siksa guru and diksa guru are the same ,since sri krishnas times there have been only 32 great acaryas and those who recognise acbssp as the last one are both 50 % rigth and 50% wrong ,srila prabhupad himself would be more proud about us if we were doing service to his older godbrothers ,he formed bakthyvedanta charity trust ,he asked his followers to help his older god brothers specifically he mentioned medicines ,food and clothes everything has to be done through the mercy of older vaisnavas
times serve srila prabhupad please we will never pay him what he has done for us ,we all please lets serve srila prabhupada he repeated the same thing in 10 minutes class then ask for questions,nobody ask everything was clear .He understands the power of srila prabhupadas mercy and if a gringoguru says do not see srila prabhupadas spiritual brothers,I spit and leave the place very soon ,remember that srila bakthysiddantha cried his lotus tears over their shoulders ,guru is one and he neverleaves
finally they did as etiquete diplomatic mood,then s.puri maharaja sat beside near srila prabhupadas big murty and everyone waiting ,50 or more people sited still in front of the open altar,srila prabhupad and puri maharaja who said after a log breath ¨please do serve srila prabhupada,lets all of us do it ,he started criying,do serve him because we can never pay him what he has done for all of us ,looking at their lordships and his beloved brother acbssp,his voice shoking he said the same three
When your Puri maharaj came in Rome in 1997, after reading the verse from Bhagavat Gita As It Is(of His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada Jagat Guru),he REFUSED to read the purport of our Jagat Guru,and with a disgusted face STOPPED the disciple who started to read.
speak ,he saw their lordships sri jaganath bakladev and subhadra,trere he was and older devotee 89m years old ,that one who lives rigth next door gundica temple in sri puri dham,that puri maharaja who is now 97 years old ,the one and only srila prabhupada called him a sincere friend,srila bakthy vaibava puri goswami maharajawho is the personal friend of orissa royal family was rigth there waiting for a place to sit more than 5 or 8 minutes,I went near the temple commander and askforachair please
and arrived at mexico coming from viena and croatia,rome etc...in you tube you can see in a class lectured in croatia he can be seen telling everyone how proud and happy he says after here I´m going to a very very far away land really far over the ocean ,just look at how happy he looks in such an spiritual adventure ,when he came to see lord jaganath an the local hare krishna temple,guadalajara temple president was premananda das (hdga)and he was told by the gbc to let them in but dont let him
agtsp dear prabhus and matajis accept my respectfull obeisances at your feet ,do anyone of you had seen srila bvpuri goswami´s eyes full of tears when speaking about hdg acbssp ?Ive once at guadalajara temple iskcon established in last 70 ´s,h d grace puri maharaja was flying on his 2002 and second world tour ,he only did three such trips ´so hdg bvpuri gm wanted to see the most temples as possible established by srila prabhupad and his divine followers ,he did this in a mood of pilgrimage sense
and this lady calls me ill names because i didnt give her a seat she is rigth is narayan maharaja calls me a canguru I must feel happy,that means he is bleesing me ,i pray so i may be a cangooro in goloka vrindavan playing and jumping whith sri krishna forever yhs jambavan das a.
to me the fact ,I have enough,I just need to know that when s. bakthysiddantha left this planet he was among his more dear followers and before he left he called everyone of them and embraced and cried his lotus tears over their shoulders s. sriddhar maharaja did the same on s.govinda maharaja,srila bpkesava maharaja did the same on tirtha and narayana maharajas,acbsp asked us to give food medicines or clothes to his older godbrothers,if I amgoing in a crowded bus and a nice old lady gets mad at
dear shawnme08 please accept my respects be carefull do not criticize just try to find the pure devotees and associete with them ,there is hope in such a powerfull association ,like s. narayan maharaja or go with s. puri maharaja and his servants but please do not spoil your heart losing your time tinking about this neofite people ,from tepoztlan mexico all glories to srila prabhupada yhs jambavan das a.
Hare Krsna Prabhu, please accept my humble obeisances. you are correct, in this life we have to find out the pure devotees within the contaminated ones and associate with the pure as the knowledge and span of knowledge will increase and remain transcendental, thats all i want to say, hope i never offended anyone in any way
After Prabhupada left the planet the movement was taken over by deviants and criminals and blind robotic followers of the criminals.
There is a worldwide movement called ISKCON Revival Movement (IRM) they are trying to remove the corruption. Go to the website and email them, they will help you.
And you are NOT being 'critical' as others have told you, nor do you need to seek out any other Guru then Srila Prabhupada himself!
so funny how devotees in this video are not AT ALL exhibiting vaishnava behavior! funny how the mataji says hes being offensive! no ,hes exposing their offense and betrayal of their [our] jagad guru. funny how these devotees think that they can assault people and say they cant hand out flyers.flyers stateing the truth. this is a VERY GOOD EXAMPLE of hare krishna HYPOCRISY! thanks for posting!mixed with a hell of alot of denial!
dear devotees agtsp agtspurim. in thebegining 80,s srila b.raksak sridhar m. said to the gbc that those who want to be gurus must go out ,preach in behalf their guru maharaja and open their own temples,can someone tell me PLEASE which among the 80 gurus in iskcon had done this?here in mex i there are only two temples,guadalajara and mex city ,and guad is almost whith puri maharaja and vvrs wva the gbc here guru prasad s.hadnt been able to open new temples after20years around mex fakeguru?orwhat
after all this years can someone tell me which gurusn are opening and taking care of their own temples, I know bir krishna das goswami in north carolina,he has abeautiful temple built whit his own hands,bir krishna maharaja ki jay... from tepoztlan mexico whithlove for prabhupad yhs jambavan das a.
is sad ,the gbc says,we all need a living guru s.prabhupad is with krishna ,we only have his vani ,but they dontobbey s.prabhupadas instruction,HE SAID INITIATE IN MY NAME,but no Iam guru now,you cant have s.p. mercy if Idont give you mine first,that is totally out of sidhanta,nonsense s.p. mercy is infinite,please if you want to be gurudev diksa do open your own temple dont be a thieve thinking you are like prabhupad,just see this crazy lady she is against the final order INITIATEINMYNAME spki
t language of usurpers generally contains profanities b careful az Prabhupad iz not t only Dasa that haz been poisoned by t deamonz that have rizen to take hiz place ... know prabhupada wz making changez they did not like! roni maY az raZ rantZ chantZ
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation" Herbert Spencer
as the so-called Christians have corrupted Lord Jesus Christ's message, so the Gaudiya Math, and then Iskcon. This type of revolution or re-incarnation if you will of the apparent "body" of the preaching body, is normal and has happened before, and will again. But those who are sincere and determined, will march on.
"Truth always rests with the minority, and the minority is always stronger than the majority, because the minority is generally formed by those who really have an opinion, while the strength of a majority is illusory, formed by the gangs who have no opinion -- and who, therefore, in the next instant (when it is evident that the minority is the stronger) assume its opinion... while truth again reverts to a new minority." Soren Kierkegaard
let us simply continue preaching the true message and mercy. usurption, compromise, corruption, gradually happens in every pure sampradaya. Truth can stand in the light and withstand debate, but lies cannot and must resort to intimidation and thug tactics. Anyone who wants to see can see, but most are herd animals who simply want to be part of a large and safe group.
Pathetic. Lets just add the name calling to the list of persecuting, banning, beating and even murdering those who simple believe Prabhupada is their Guru.
name calling yz! thiz iz one of the wayz they mark themselves do not fall for t use of "profanities z z Z iz iz a form of insanity an exorcise in inhumanity" ...
I agree with you DaveGarret, it is so obvious that theses non-ritvik devotees are so mislead, and very rude and ridiculous. Devotees should get along, not fight, how can you tell someone who is a devotee that they are not welcome. we would all be NOWHERE without Srila Prabhupada, its obvious, and look at all the bogus gurus who have made fools of themselves in the past, isnt that enough proof that we ahould be ritvik?
Prabhupada is the current Diksha Guru - initiating spiritual master for Iskcon. Srila Prabhupada lives, and is just as available today as he has always been, to accept us as his disciples and give us his mercy.
The current Guru system in Iskcon is a hoax. Guru hoax has happened earlier too, so let's stop this one now! those disciples who care about srila prabhupada must act upon to expose & stop this one now..
ahatefu they have to be Guru's in the first place in order to make offence to them. They are not bonafide guru's therefore there is no offence. However if you follow a bogus guru, you are surely going to hell. I'll stick to Prabhupada as my Guru thanks! Hare Krishna and I hope someday you will realise who your real eternal Spiritual Master really is!
"One side feels that you can only get to god through Prabhupada"
Sorry Pammy, we dont 'feel' anything. Prabhupada signed a directive, a legal document proposing the Ritvik system for future initiations. Nothing to do with 'feel' it the truth and yes we will campaign and fight to make sure that is followed. Its all well and good for you to sit on the fense and take the moral high ground but we have every justification to fight corruption and oppression.
Similarly, those who mislead people go to hell, and their followers go with them."
(Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.7.14)
Yes its harsh, I'm with you there. But thats why IRM are warning about these cheaters. Another thing is that the sincere, the truly sincere always find the genuine article, the bonafide Spiritual Master, but if your insincere you get a cheater. So really those who are following a cheater are not sincere.
When people say that religion causes wars, I don't think it is so much religion, but rather the people within those religion and their interpretations and arguments. The living proof is in indisputable evidence from this clip and the comments on it.
"I really believe that if you are genuinely sincere, it shouldn't matter which method you use."
Thats fine pammydolly, but Prabhupada never said that, and we follow Prabhupada so I have to disagree. One method will take you to hell, the other back to Krishna...lol quite a difference.
I don't think any of you know what Prabhupada said. Ravindra's actions and the other lady's actions really are physical assults and should have been reported to the Police for arrest.
One side feels that you can only get to god through Prabhupada, and the other believes that other gurus are authorised to do the job. I am sure that there are a lot of sincere devotees on both sides. I really believe that if you are genuinely sincere, it shouldn't matter which method you use.
Protestants will attack catholics for praying to the Virgin Mary, saints etc for intercession to God, and for other beliefs regarding communion, confession etc etc. When you think about it, this argument has some parallels with the argument that some Christians pose - you can only get to God through Jesus himself
I was brought up Catholic and this argument kind of reminds me of a Protestant Catholic bible quoting slagging match. Some (and rememeber, I only say some not all)
Prabhupada spoke of half hen philosophy, it is when a farmer wants the half of the hen that gives eggs but not the half he has to feed so he cuts the hen in half, destroying the whole thing. So the IRM wants Balavanta's opinion that Prabhupada went to the GBC meetings but not the one that Prabhupada said he wanted regular gurus after he left.
The irm are always engaging in half hen philosophy, quoting Prabhupada disciples as supreme authorities on every topic but when the Prabhupada disciples speak of Prabhupada's desire for the disciplic succession to continue the irm cuts the hen in half, killing it. You can't cut Prabhupada's desire in half.
pdeviddasi wrote: "Dharmaraja you are such a mental speculator, along with all the IRM. Prabhupada never went to a GBC meeting"; and "Prabhupada disciples told me he never went so I accept it."
Prabhupda disciple states: "The GBC would make resolutions, and then Srila Prabhupada would approve them. In fact, sometimes he would attend our meetings [...] When Prabhupada attended the meetings..." (GBC member Balavanta dasa, ISKCON TV's "Memories Series")
This is probably the same person trolling here. They all have one thing in common they seem to hate Krishnakant and behave very irrationally, I wouldnt waste my time with this very disturbed individual.
If you take a letter as a "directive" all that letter says is that the 11 will henceforward act as gurus. Therefore there can be no more. I don't take Tamal's word, sorry. And if you don't take it literally, then it is useless as a directive. It can't be both open to speculation and taken as a directive at the same time.
Wrong. The letter does not even mention the word "gurus". It clearly says: " 'rittik' -representative of the acarya, for the purpose of performing initiations". Please note that the list of ritviks was an initial list, as confirmed in the letter by the words "so far". In addition, letters issued on July 11 and 21 referring to the July 9 letter similarly state: "thus far" and "initial list", meaning that the number of ritviks could be decomissioned or added to, just as with GBCs or TPs.
Then CLEARLY Dharmaraja Prabhu Prabhupada left the GBC in charge to decide on these things not the IRM, who never even existed until the non-acharya Krishna Kant Desai imagined it out of his own fertile brain in the early nineties or something.
NO! Prabhupada ONLY mandated the GBC to execute HIS instructions, not invent their own:
"The GBC has NO OTHER FUNCTION OR PURPOSE other than to execute the instructions so kindly given by His Divine Grace and preserve and spread His Teachings to the world in their pure form."
(Definition of GBC, Resolution 1, GBC minutes 1975)
The IRM exists to remind everyone to follow Srila Prabhupada's instructions to continue to keep HIM as the Guru via the ritvik system he set up.
Again you are quoting the GBC as an authority. Prabhupada never even went to a GBC meeting, right? He left it up to the GBC to decide how to rule the society of devotees. You are not quoting Prabhupada you are quoting the GBC again instead of him.
Even accepting your quotation verbatim Prabhupada STILL left the GBC in charge to decide how to "execute the instructions", not the non-acharya Shreela Mr. non-inititated Desai. The temple stealer. He pilfered devotees and temples AWAY from Prabhupada. How is that serving ISKCON? Tying up ISKCON moneys in court costs?
"your speculation that Prabhupada said the original 11 ritviks will last for the next ten thousand years."
Our speculation.....? I think that is YOUR speculation, and is rediculous just like the rest of your comments. Isnt it the height of cultish fanaticism to wholeheartedly oppose a position that you dont even correctly undertand in the first place. This is proven to be the case as Dharmaraja has shown clearly.
pdevidasi - one ISKCON guru recently called another a "sick, obsessed, duplicitous liar". BTP reported this. BTP also reports other statements from the GBC and its gurus. Only an idiot would complain at the *publication*, rather than taking it up with the gurus themselves who make these statements. It's called 'shooting the messenger'. And you still haven't admitted that you have completely fabricated the quote from SP below. This, of course, IS blasphemy and is HIGHLY offensive to SP.
pdevidasi, the IRM never says that the original 11 ritviks will last for the next 10,000 years. The July 9th directive clearly states with reference to the appointed 11 ritviks, "His Divine Grace has SO FAR given a list of eleven disciples who will act in that capacity". And TKG stated on Dec 3, 1980: "Before I got ready to type the letter, I asked him: "Srila Prabhupada, is this all or do you want to add more?" He said, "As is necessary, OTHERS MAY BE ADDED."
"Of course if it weren't for the pictures of Srila Prabhupada the whole rest of the magazine would be simply trash, nothing sacred about it." This is the typical response of a fanatical cult member who is incapable of addressing or responding to any of the points or facts raised in the magazine. Much easier to call it "trash" and ignore the truth. "Ignorance is bliss", as they say.
Back to Prabhupada = sacred trash. Prabhupada's pictures should be reverentially destroyed by placing them in the sacred trash before burning them along with the rest of the sacred trash. They should not be ripped up in the mode of passion. This is very bad.
I have noticed that grantaraja crazy deranged troll comments are very like similar to 'gurukuli'. Its probably the same person and should be blocked. If its not the same person, what does this say about the character of bogus Iskcon guru supporters?
The reason the IRMSCAM devotee could not keep the empowered mataji from liberating the BTPee's is because SHE follows the four reg's and he doesn't, therefore no tejas. If you print Prabhupada's picture on toilet paper the best thing you can do with it is rip it up or burn it. The content of BTPee's inside are like stool. Printing Prabhupada's picture on the cover doesn't change that.
The Indian "lady"'s choice of words was probably inspired by Satsvarupa's sex novel "Sanatorium". One thing she did get right though - we are very happy to be Srila Prabhupada's dogs: that is the perfection of life.
grantaraja, you seem very confused, and you are not making any sense.
Our position is that Prabhupada is the Diksa Guru of ISKCON, your inconsistent ramblings concerning Kazakstan and Srila Prabhupada's books have NOTHING to do with refuting that position. By the way IRM does distribute Prabhupada's books.....the REAL ones, not Jayavaita's bogus deviations.
Yes, it definitely takes intelligence to generalize an entire movement. Way to go on both sides of the fence. Whatever happened to just glorifying Krsna? Why all this hate? It's not just one party or movement. It's everywhere. Why can't someone just concentrate on positivity for once? All glories to Srila Prabhupada!
This is all bogus nonsense and it does not wash. Arjuna was speaking like this at Kuruksetra and Krishna smashed his nonsense and told him to fight! Prabhupada's never taught us to sit around and just 'glorify Krsna' 'concentrate on the positive' his mood was to fight maya and preach. Maya is now INSIDE Iskcon in the form of bogus guru's and they must be exposed so that the innocent will not be cheated.
Well... you know they changed Prabupadas books as well.
How DAY THEY. Iskon was finished on the day his divine grace left this material World. Only thieves roam the jungle now. Child abuse, money fraud, be-headings, everyone wants to be treated like a guru.... What has iskon become....
True, its like Christianity, what we see now has near enough nothing to do with Jesus's pure teachings, only corrupt ambitious leaders who introduce bogus principles aimed towards grafifying their own senses.
ISKCON in Kazakstan or someplace was accused of all these things. Why don't you IRMSCAMMERS print and distribute some of Prabhupada's books this year for a change?
now thats a bit crazy. I am not familiar with the politics that might be behind the dispute but I am familiar with the concept of tolerance, respect and compassion...something individuals in this video completely lack. Watching this just makes me even more disgusted by organized religion.
Yes prabhu you are totally correct with your observations. Philosophical disputes can be debated in a civilized manner, no need for oppression and violence. This is always the answer for those who wish to keep the truth hidden so that their cheating can go on unchallenged.
"trnad api sunicena taror api sahisnuna amanina manadena kirtaniyah sada harih" One can chant the holy name of the Lord in a humble state of mind, thinking himself lower than a blade of straw. One should b more tolerant than a tree, devoid of all sense of false prestige&ready 2 offer all respects 2 others. ln such a state of mind one can chant the holy name of the Lord constantly." there is no respect or humility in the video.
If one offends a Vaisnava, the only way to get free from the offense is to go back that Vaisnava and beg his forgiveness. (C.Bhag. Madhya 22.32) come on guys : ) Jai Radhe!!!
Shubz1 of course this is true. But by quoting this you are implying that someone is making aparadha. Who are you refering to? IRM? Who simply preach the truth. Or Ravindra svarupa who verbally and physically abuses those who wish to follow the truth? Please clarify.
this video is full of anger, people in dhoti and sarees imatating Devotees but you can see how contaminated ther hearts are by ther actions. "akrodha paramananda nityananda raya" the noble Nityananda Prabhu is never angry. Gurudev Srila BV Narayan Maharaj says to follow in Nityananda's lotus footsteps, do u agree?
Hare Krishna shubz1! Yes we must follow in Nityananda's footsteps and be very humble. It is a shame that devotees become angry and agressive toward IRM members just because they preach the truth about Prabhupada's clear instructions.
Gaur Haribol! yes that is a shame, worse that they dont know what kind of aparadha they are doing. how do you think they have become so brave as to behave in such aggresive maner? what is it the IRM are trying to do?
Yes!tearing a picture of Srila Prabhupada is the greatest offense possible to a Vaisnav-one must beg forgiveness from Srila Prabupada otherwise I don't know where this demoness will end up.
gurukuli : "Here's where the dummy part comes in subji, I said kkdesai isn't ONE of them, but you (not so) cleverly turn my sentence around and say he doesn't qualify as "a few". Well I said ONE dumbass, not A FEW! You rits haven't got a quarter of a brain between the bunch of you!"
and this was your complete quote gurukuli : "Srila Prabhupada himself said if he had just a few disciples who were Krishna conscious he could change the whole world in seventeen days? Guess kkdesai doesn't qualify to be one of them"Maybe he does qualify, but where are the rest?
"Dave half of what is in BTPee is about ex-sannyasis"
er sorry wrong. NONE of it is about a simple sanyasis that have unfortunately fallen into maya. Its all about the BOGUS GURU'S who initiate disciples and accept worship when they were only meant to act as Ritvik Representative of the Acharya. Refer to the July 9th Letter.
Does Prabhupada say not to critisize CHEATING BOGUS GURU'S?
"Our business is to point out who is NOT a saint"(Srila Prabhupada Morning Walk, April 10th,1974)
"If a man is a thief and PEOPLE ARE WARNED THAT HE IS A THEIF, THAT IS THE TRUTH. Although sometimes the truth is unpalatable,ONE SHOULD NOT REFRAIN FROM SPEAKING IT." (Bhagavada-gita As It Is,10:4-5,purport)
Gurukuli you are critisizing and oposing the words of Prabhupada, please do not do that. It is extemely DEMONIAC!
"Srila Prabhupada himself said if he had just a few disciples who were Krishna conscious he could change the whole world in seventeen days? Guess kkdesai doesn't qualify to be one of them" Yes I guess he doesn't qualify as a few
This demon gurukuli is as crazy as he is envious. He's the same weirdo that used to troll the IRM forums, I recognise the sick venomous obsession with Krishnakant.
gurukuli you sall follow GBC? What GBC? You call a bunch of, criminal, deviant, bogus, demons GBC? You think we should follow them like the way you brainlessly, mindlessly, fanatically, blindly? No thanks we follow Prabhupada, NOT IMPOSTERS who pretend to be GBC.
Gurukuli, you resort to attacking Krishnakant because you haven't any legitimate arguments. IRM supporters are such because of the facts concerning what Srila Prabhupada authorized, not simply because Krishnakant says so. If you want to challenge the points the IRM makes, then please do so.
Since the GBC have deviated from Srila Prabhupada's orders, it must logically be concluded that in order to follow Srila Prabhupada's orders one would have to not cooperate with the GBC. Now, if the GBC decides to return to Prabhupada as the sole diksa guru of ISKCON, then we will talk about cooperation.
Wrong, gurukuli. Since the GBC have deviated from representing Srila Prabhupada's orders, there is no longer a question of cooperating with them. They cooperate with the guru's orders or they get rejected and exposed for the lie they propagate in Srila Prabhupada's name.
This devotee didn't come to fight and argue, gurukuli. He came to pass out information. So, yeah... what are you even talking about?
If you really think you have a case against the IRM, then why don't you present you argument to the IRM? We would all love to see by what, how and when the ritvik system of initiation was to be replaced.
All Glories to Sri Guru & Sri Gauranga! rather than spend time fighting, aruging and critising, dont you think it would be better to follow Sriman Mahaprabhu? ther is no politics there, only Prem, whats going on with you guys is not devotional, its not loving. Sri Radharani ki Jai! Sri Radha Madhav Milatana Vipralambha Gaura Hari ki Jai! Sri Gaudiya Math ki Jai! Nam Sankirtan ki Jai!
Im just looking at your last few posts...and you say I have lost it? There is no point discussing anything with you any more, your a very strange individual as anyone reading this can see. Hare Krishna
Here you have it guys, TKG says Prabhupada only authorised ritviks, Bhakti caru says Prabhupada is the real Guru, Jayadwaita says Iskcon Guru's are bogus. Gurukuli I think you should listed to YOUR AUTHORITIES because they all say bogus and that Prabhupada is the real Guru. Whats the matter dont believe them?
"Oh so now Bhakti Charu Swami is being taken as another authority?" He's your authority so listen to him he's saying he's bogus.
"Who is he to speak for anyone else except for in his humble mood." But you say he is an Acharya in the line of Disciplic succession? if he was then he can speak for everyone cant he? well is he or isnt he?
lol gurukuli, I will be happy to discuss anything with you but please leave out comments of 'smashing ritviks' haha I mean give me a break, be civilised please.
My understanding - as a mere layman - is that Srila Prabhupada is still the guru for ISKCON, the movement he singlehandedly created and that in 1977 he gave authorization to the 11? to initiate on his behalf, not to accept disciples of their own - within ISKCON at least.
I beg your forgiveness if I am mistaken here prabhus. Hare Krishna.
Michaelstmark, you are correct Prabhu, no mistake at all! Only thing is that Prabhupada said that, "more could be added" to the original 11, thats convenient as most have deviated or left thier bodies!
I know Dave, that is most unfortunate. Surely the present GBC will have the humility to at least investigate their positions within ISKCON as desired by Prabhupada in the light of so many fall-downs?
In any case it is said a self-effulgent (bone fide) spiritual master is always self-evident to the sincere devotee by a) never falling down and b) the charged atmosphere of bliss surrounding him.
Michael they know that they are not actual acharya's. Even Bhakti Charu Swami said of himself and his godbrothers; "Therefore our responsibility is to mediate between you and Srila Prabhupada, and SRILA PRABHUPADA WILL TAKE YOU TO KRISHNA"(BCS 7/4/06)
A real self effulgient Acharya is the link to Krishna, he does not need to bring disciples to the previous Guru. That is an admission of thier real position, yet they still pretend to be Acharya's.
"Where is a quote from any previous acarya saying when a disciple shall become guru except for after the departure of the guru?"
Youve really crossed the line now my friend. Are you saying no authorisation is necessary? That a disciple automatically can become a guru after his guru leaves the planet? I hope not because Prabhupada said an order must be given, even the GBC accept that fact.
KKD's nonsense? Are you insane? I quoted Prabhupada twice saying that authorisation must be given! PRABHUPADA SAID IT! READ THE QUOTES! Going againced Prabhupada's clear words is the behaviour of a demon not a devotee.
"So Yama are you saying that Prabhupada can't liberate someone who follows him?"
Thats my very point, he isnt following Prabhupada! He disobeyed Prabhupada by initiating without an order to do so!
"The misguided conditioned soul also approaches so-called sadhus and swamis who preach against the principles of the Vedas. He does not receive benefit from them, either in the present or in the future."
sorry your confussed again. Krishnakant does not ask us to wash his feet and go around pretending he's a guru. You are getting more and more angry, irrational, and abnoxious. Is that because you have been defeated?
Avoiding the issue? Produce the quote, we would like to see it. And as for following Krishnakanta, he doesnt go around pretending to be a guru and having his feet washed. Prabhupada is the Guru for the next 10000 years! Get to understand that, and the nasty peice of work that you are worshiping whoever he is cannot even liberate himself let alone you.
"it was for training the new gurus" lol thats a new one, can you back that up please with a quote from Prabhupada, actually I dont even think the GBC have ever come out with that one before!!
"on my command you will become full gurus" I guess you have that 'command'? If you do give it to Jayadvaita he's been looking for it for the last 30 years. We can finaly resolve the issue gurukuli has the actual quote where Prabhupada gives the command! Jaya
"Duh, because he never said it was forever, it was for training the new gurus."
Oh dear now your very confussed. Train new guru's lol thats a new. One both the IRM AND THE GBC agree it was to initate diciple without Prabhupada being present. The controvercy is was it to go on after Prabhupada left. Train new guru's?? thats a new one, Im afrain even your own GBC will not agree with you there.
"on my command you will become full gurus" oh dear this is getting silly now, please tell me WHERE THAT COMMAND TOOK PLACE? It does not exist anywhere on the Vedabase, and the GBC have yet to produce it. But maybe you have it??? Let us know
'Rubbish' please elaborate as to what is rubbish about Srila Prabhupada's instructions for a Ritvik system via the July 9th Directive? You are saying Prabhupada's instructions are 'rubbish'? I surely hope not.
you need to wake up, because even if 'ritviks' disagree with you philosophically, there is no excuse for violence. You should defeat with arguement, to debate that is the civilzed way, but you will lose, just like back in the 1980 Ritvik debate which was banned by TKG, why ban it? I tell you why because it exposed the TRUTH!!!!
so-called rtvik debate was 1990 w/ ravinedra. 1980 was the Topanga Canyon so-called confession by TKillerG. The only reason that was held was so that tamal could rattle the sabre and show his partners in crime that if they were serious about puttin' him on ice, then he was prepared to expose the whole guru cheating scam. THAT is the ONLY reason TKG went thru that exercise. When he had achieved his goal, then, naturally, the tapes were recalled (Duh!)
what is this all about?! :^S
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Prabhupada said ritviks are stupid. Prove he didn't. Prove he said anything because nowadays you challenge everything he did say. What will you take as proof. Not letters, not tapes, not books. You reject everything just like the so called scientists who do not accept things that go against their views. Ritviks suck!
RITVIKS SUCK!
aloysiusish 1 year ago
Harry, PROVE PRABHUPADA wrote the letters and meant for the books to be printed exactly how they are or were. I only accept what I can see, not what I can hear from the disciplic succession. Isn't that the ritvik philosophy? Show me the letters. Show me the handwriting of His Divine Grace otherwise how can we accept anything at all.
That is the way of the disciplic succession. One learns by hearing, not by challenging anything and everything and being foolish and puffed up about it.
aloysiusish 1 year ago
RITVIK NOT WELCOMEEEEEEEEEE
i did same thing withj the same guy call Bramananda or something
not life
bull shit ritvik
analiask 1 year ago
harry k are you saying narayana maharaja is correct when he offensefully claims Prabhupada has only given us the basement? That prabhupada only gave us the abc's and we need to go to him NM to get more? Get a brain. Get a life. Follow ISKCON AND GO BACK TO HOME BACK TO GODHEAD. Grow up spiritually, you need it. i hate you
aloysiusish 1 year ago
@aloysiusish
"....one should not talk nonsense. When speaking in spiritual circles, one's statements must be upheld by the scriptures. One should at once quote from scriptural authority to back up what he is saying."
(Bg 17.15 purport)
HarryK108 1 year ago
I'm asking you to prove YOUR claim.
Maybe YOU should read Lilamrita again, find the quote, then we are in knowledge. However unless you can do that, how does anyone know if what you say is true or not. Are we supposed to blindly believe you? .. Just because YOU say so, eh?
HarryK108 1 year ago
Read the lillamrta once in a while and THERE you will find the quote about where Prabhupada said he has given us the structure. It is in regards to Varnashrama. He is also saying he has only done half his work. He does NOT say I have only given you the basement!
aloysiusish 1 year ago
aloysiusish claims " Prabhupada said I have given you everything, I have made the structure and all you have to do is fill it in." Really? When, Where did he say this?
"Unless it is there from me in writing, there are so many things that "Prabhupada said." (Srila Prabhupada Letter, 2/9/75)
"...just like in our ISKCON there are so many false things: "Prabhupada said this, Prabhupada said that." (Srila Prabhupada Letter, 7/11/72)
HarryK108 1 year ago
Prabhupada said I have given you everything, I have made the structure and all you have to do is fill it in.
aloysiusish 1 year ago
when i click on this video the obama girl comes up as the related videos!! lol. wtf does harryk108 watch in his spare time. dude watching porn and jerking off is not good for your memory, is that why u forget things like instructions. Haha. Jerk off! Do all of your people watch porn?! haha.
sanj114 1 year ago
She didn't swear at the end, it's inaudible.
harrifer3000 2 years ago
IrM sucks huh!!
ashdasa108 2 years ago
De qualquer forma ... rasgar uma foto de SS.SPrabhupada é DEMONÍACO!
A Iskcon tem uma péssima mania de achar que "ELES" são santos, verdadeiros seguidores de SS.S Prabhupada ... o resto do mundo é demonio, e estão prontos pra irem ao inferno! Ridiculo.
Hare bol ...
mlsplendore 2 years ago
How dare they blaspheme Srila Prabupada, Disregard his instruction and insult parampara. Do they think themselves higher then Prabhupada himself to try to interpret what he so clearly set forth. Conveniant that "Back to Prabhupada" was so innocently described as just a magazine and the Rtvik just another devotee, They know they have no place preaching at ISKCON events.
how can they have a spiritual life when they commit so much Vaisnava aparhada with no remmorse.
ang0588 2 years ago
Detroit Wrath Yatra 2006 was a PUBLIC festival. As such everyone was welcome. If ISKCON don't want people to come to PUBLIC festivals they should make that clear PUBLICLY prior to the event.
The biggest insult to the PARAMPARA was made by ISKCON when they VOTED homosexuals and possibly pedophiles also, into the disciplic succession.
As for offensive behaviour, ISKCON are masters of that also. Ask HH Narayan Maharaja, HH Govinda Maharaja or any other followers of HH Shridar Maharaja.
HarryK108 2 years ago
Do you even know what Vaisnava aparhada is?
chasey108 2 years ago
offer your ritz to krishna? bogus! Krishna doesn't like Ritz or ritviks who offend Prabhuapada by saying they know his order when he ORDERED us to listen to the GBC you fools! The Math are ENVIOUS and also want to steal from Krishna! Only they who stay in ISKCON are the true saints in Kali Yuga! ISKCON ki jaya! Ritviks boo!
tonybologney 2 years ago
It's the result following such "gurus". Beating, banning, murder. This "gurus" actually teach people that it is Gods pleasure to kill all people who don't accept them. Praphupada had a true perception of the bona fide pure devotee and spiritual master, which actually is Jesus and none other. Jesus is ONE and ONLY master and not one of many. Prabhupada just acts as placeholder as long as the followers are not able to grasp the truth and to prevent a takeover of demoniac impostor gurus.
Wassagen 2 years ago
>Prabhupada just acts as placeholder as long as the followers are not able to grasp the truth and to prevent a takeover of demoniac impostor gurus.
Wrong. Beavis is god. There is no other. It's just that simple.
TheStrangeRanger 2 years ago
ritwik shit !!!!
analiask 3 years ago
Why all the abuse?
chasey108 3 years ago 6
More tolerant then a tree?
chasey108 2 years ago 4
srila acbsp said to srila bnarayan maharaja ,please take care of my disciples they are like monkeys,only know how to figth,just see there he is mr. great gringoguru hh ravindra suarupa maharaja is figthing like the great jambavan or hanuman ,at least he makes me remnber my name also yhs jambavan das a.
juanjosemtzvillela 3 years ago
Sorry,where?can you show me where,please?
I can show you a nice thing:
"We shall be very careful about them(His envious not even ordinary human beings godbrothers)and NOT MIX with them.THIS IS MY ISTRUCTION TO YOU ALL.They cannot help us in our movement,but they are very competent to HARM our natural progress.So we must be very careful about them".
Quote thr true Acarya Saint Srila Prabhupada,or shut up please.
Antiritvik 3 years ago
if srila narayana maharaja says cangurus that is a bleesing,imagine how wonderfull to be a canguru in goloka vrindavan jumping and playing whith nanda kishor.
juanjosemtzvillela 3 years ago
siksa guru and diksa guru are the same ,since sri krishnas times there have been only 32 great acaryas and those who recognise acbssp as the last one are both 50 % rigth and 50% wrong ,srila prabhupad himself would be more proud about us if we were doing service to his older godbrothers ,he formed bakthyvedanta charity trust ,he asked his followers to help his older god brothers specifically he mentioned medicines ,food and clothes everything has to be done through the mercy of older vaisnavas
juanjosemtzvillela 3 years ago
times serve srila prabhupad please we will never pay him what he has done for us ,we all please lets serve srila prabhupada he repeated the same thing in 10 minutes class then ask for questions,nobody ask everything was clear .He understands the power of srila prabhupadas mercy and if a gringoguru says do not see srila prabhupadas spiritual brothers,I spit and leave the place very soon ,remember that srila bakthysiddantha cried his lotus tears over their shoulders ,guru is one and he neverleaves
juanjosemtzvillela 3 years ago
finally they did as etiquete diplomatic mood,then s.puri maharaja sat beside near srila prabhupadas big murty and everyone waiting ,50 or more people sited still in front of the open altar,srila prabhupad and puri maharaja who said after a log breath ¨please do serve srila prabhupada,lets all of us do it ,he started criying,do serve him because we can never pay him what he has done for all of us ,looking at their lordships and his beloved brother acbssp,his voice shoking he said the same three
juanjosemtzvillela 3 years ago
When your Puri maharaj came in Rome in 1997, after reading the verse from Bhagavat Gita As It Is(of His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada Jagat Guru),he REFUSED to read the purport of our Jagat Guru,and with a disgusted face STOPPED the disciple who started to read.
Know the story,or shut up,please.
Antiritvik 3 years ago
speak ,he saw their lordships sri jaganath bakladev and subhadra,trere he was and older devotee 89m years old ,that one who lives rigth next door gundica temple in sri puri dham,that puri maharaja who is now 97 years old ,the one and only srila prabhupada called him a sincere friend,srila bakthy vaibava puri goswami maharajawho is the personal friend of orissa royal family was rigth there waiting for a place to sit more than 5 or 8 minutes,I went near the temple commander and askforachair please
juanjosemtzvillela 3 years ago
and arrived at mexico coming from viena and croatia,rome etc...in you tube you can see in a class lectured in croatia he can be seen telling everyone how proud and happy he says after here I´m going to a very very far away land really far over the ocean ,just look at how happy he looks in such an spiritual adventure ,when he came to see lord jaganath an the local hare krishna temple,guadalajara temple president was premananda das (hdga)and he was told by the gbc to let them in but dont let him
juanjosemtzvillela 3 years ago
agtsp dear prabhus and matajis accept my respectfull obeisances at your feet ,do anyone of you had seen srila bvpuri goswami´s eyes full of tears when speaking about hdg acbssp ?Ive once at guadalajara temple iskcon established in last 70 ´s,h d grace puri maharaja was flying on his 2002 and second world tour ,he only did three such trips ´so hdg bvpuri gm wanted to see the most temples as possible established by srila prabhupad and his divine followers ,he did this in a mood of pilgrimage sense
juanjosemtzvillela 3 years ago
and this lady calls me ill names because i didnt give her a seat she is rigth is narayan maharaja calls me a canguru I must feel happy,that means he is bleesing me ,i pray so i may be a cangooro in goloka vrindavan playing and jumping whith sri krishna forever yhs jambavan das a.
juanjosemtzvillela 3 years ago
to me the fact ,I have enough,I just need to know that when s. bakthysiddantha left this planet he was among his more dear followers and before he left he called everyone of them and embraced and cried his lotus tears over their shoulders s. sriddhar maharaja did the same on s.govinda maharaja,srila bpkesava maharaja did the same on tirtha and narayana maharajas,acbsp asked us to give food medicines or clothes to his older godbrothers,if I amgoing in a crowded bus and a nice old lady gets mad at
juanjosemtzvillela 3 years ago
dear shawnme08 please accept my respects be carefull do not criticize just try to find the pure devotees and associete with them ,there is hope in such a powerfull association ,like s. narayan maharaja or go with s. puri maharaja and his servants but please do not spoil your heart losing your time tinking about this neofite people ,from tepoztlan mexico all glories to srila prabhupada yhs jambavan das a.
juanjosemtzvillela 3 years ago
Narayan Maharaja is a big, big critic and encourages similar behaviour amongst his followers, as has been seen in this video.
But juanjosemtzvillela prabhu is right when he says they are "neofite people", not even devotees.
HarryK108 3 years ago
Hare Krsna Prabhu, please accept my humble obeisances. you are correct, in this life we have to find out the pure devotees within the contaminated ones and associate with the pure as the knowledge and span of knowledge will increase and remain transcendental, thats all i want to say, hope i never offended anyone in any way
Hari Boll!!
divyeshservantofgod 2 years ago
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<we have to find out the pure devotees within the contaminated ones
Yes. Do you best to determine who is the most brainwashed. Use them. They are good little robots.
TheStrangeRanger 2 years ago
"Lets get that camera too" ~ He sounds like a rascal!
A plan and simple idiot!!!
No love.
shawnme08 3 years ago 3
That lady that rips the book in half seems to have no love!
I'm only just learning about Hare Krsna, but I'm guessing and in my heart know you should never act out like that!
The lady at the end even talks like she's at high school with a bad mouth! Saying F**king dogs! That so wrong and rude!
I just don't understand. I am confused
When trying to get my head around this, where do I go from here with my faith?
shawnme08 3 years ago 2
Hey shawnme80 dont lose faith buddy.
After Prabhupada left the planet the movement was taken over by deviants and criminals and blind robotic followers of the criminals.
There is a worldwide movement called ISKCON Revival Movement (IRM) they are trying to remove the corruption. Go to the website and email them, they will help you.
And you are NOT being 'critical' as others have told you, nor do you need to seek out any other Guru then Srila Prabhupada himself!
Lusseyran 3 years ago 10
That lady that rips the book in half seems to have no love!
I'm only just learning about Hare Krsna, but I'm guess and in my heart know you should never act out like that!
The lady at the end even talks like she's at high school with a bad mouth! Saying F**king dogs! That so wrong and rude!
I just don't understand. I am confused.
shawnme08 3 years ago
so funny how devotees in this video are not AT ALL exhibiting vaishnava behavior! funny how the mataji says hes being offensive! no ,hes exposing their offense and betrayal of their [our] jagad guru. funny how these devotees think that they can assault people and say they cant hand out flyers.flyers stateing the truth. this is a VERY GOOD EXAMPLE of hare krishna HYPOCRISY! thanks for posting!mixed with a hell of alot of denial!
hellyeah108 3 years ago 7
dear devotees agtsp agtspurim. in thebegining 80,s srila b.raksak sridhar m. said to the gbc that those who want to be gurus must go out ,preach in behalf their guru maharaja and open their own temples,can someone tell me PLEASE which among the 80 gurus in iskcon had done this?here in mex i there are only two temples,guadalajara and mex city ,and guad is almost whith puri maharaja and vvrs wva the gbc here guru prasad s.hadnt been able to open new temples after20years around mex fakeguru?orwhat
juanjosemtzvillela 3 years ago
after all this years can someone tell me which gurusn are opening and taking care of their own temples, I know bir krishna das goswami in north carolina,he has abeautiful temple built whit his own hands,bir krishna maharaja ki jay... from tepoztlan mexico whithlove for prabhupad yhs jambavan das a.
juanjosemtzvillela 3 years ago
is sad ,the gbc says,we all need a living guru s.prabhupad is with krishna ,we only have his vani ,but they dontobbey s.prabhupadas instruction,HE SAID INITIATE IN MY NAME,but no Iam guru now,you cant have s.p. mercy if Idont give you mine first,that is totally out of sidhanta,nonsense s.p. mercy is infinite,please if you want to be gurudev diksa do open your own temple dont be a thieve thinking you are like prabhupad,just see this crazy lady she is against the final order INITIATEINMYNAME spki
juanjosemtzvillela 3 years ago
t language of usurpers generally contains profanities b careful az Prabhupad iz not t only Dasa that haz been poisoned by t deamonz that have rizen to take hiz place ... know prabhupada wz making changez they did not like! roni maY az raZ rantZ chantZ
raZrantZ 3 years ago
The woman said;" dont steal from Prabhupada". Then she ripped the picture of Prabhupada to pieces. Whats that telling us???
thomwick 3 years ago
lol yes, it tells us alot about this persons state of mind.
davegarret 3 years ago
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation" Herbert Spencer
bhibatsu 4 years ago
as the so-called Christians have corrupted Lord Jesus Christ's message, so the Gaudiya Math, and then Iskcon. This type of revolution or re-incarnation if you will of the apparent "body" of the preaching body, is normal and has happened before, and will again. But those who are sincere and determined, will march on.
bhibatsu 4 years ago
"Truth always rests with the minority, and the minority is always stronger than the majority, because the minority is generally formed by those who really have an opinion, while the strength of a majority is illusory, formed by the gangs who have no opinion -- and who, therefore, in the next instant (when it is evident that the minority is the stronger) assume its opinion... while truth again reverts to a new minority." Soren Kierkegaard
bhibatsu 4 years ago
let us simply continue preaching the true message and mercy. usurption, compromise, corruption, gradually happens in every pure sampradaya. Truth can stand in the light and withstand debate, but lies cannot and must resort to intimidation and thug tactics. Anyone who wants to see can see, but most are herd animals who simply want to be part of a large and safe group.
bhibatsu 4 years ago
ritviks smell.
amulsutaria 4 years ago
"ritviks smell"
Pathetic. Lets just add the name calling to the list of persecuting, banning, beating and even murdering those who simple believe Prabhupada is their Guru.
davegarret 3 years ago
name calling yz! thiz iz one of the wayz they mark themselves do not fall for t use of "profanities z z Z iz iz a form of insanity an exorcise in inhumanity" ...
raZrantZ 3 years ago
I agree with you DaveGarret, it is so obvious that theses non-ritvik devotees are so mislead, and very rude and ridiculous. Devotees should get along, not fight, how can you tell someone who is a devotee that they are not welcome. we would all be NOWHERE without Srila Prabhupada, its obvious, and look at all the bogus gurus who have made fools of themselves in the past, isnt that enough proof that we ahould be ritvik?
ochieng99 4 years ago
Prabhupada is the current Diksha Guru - initiating spiritual master for Iskcon. Srila Prabhupada lives, and is just as available today as he has always been, to accept us as his disciples and give us his mercy.
The current Guru system in Iskcon is a hoax. Guru hoax has happened earlier too, so let's stop this one now! those disciples who care about srila prabhupada must act upon to expose & stop this one now..
SathuGopa 4 years ago
ahatefu they have to be Guru's in the first place in order to make offence to them. They are not bonafide guru's therefore there is no offence. However if you follow a bogus guru, you are surely going to hell. I'll stick to Prabhupada as my Guru thanks! Hare Krishna and I hope someday you will realise who your real eternal Spiritual Master really is!
davegarret 4 years ago
Steal? What you talking about?
CrAzYGnomex 4 years ago
Monkey on a Stick!!! Read it...
digitalX198 4 years ago 2
"One side feels that you can only get to god through Prabhupada"
Sorry Pammy, we dont 'feel' anything. Prabhupada signed a directive, a legal document proposing the Ritvik system for future initiations. Nothing to do with 'feel' it the truth and yes we will campaign and fight to make sure that is followed. Its all well and good for you to sit on the fense and take the moral high ground but we have every justification to fight corruption and oppression.
davegarret 4 years ago
"One method will take you to hell, the other back to Krishna...lol quite a difference."
So devotees who are sincere - (although in your view misguided) are they going to hell? That seems a bit harsh.
pammydolly 4 years ago
Similarly, those who mislead people go to hell, and their followers go with them."
(Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.7.14)
Yes its harsh, I'm with you there. But thats why IRM are warning about these cheaters. Another thing is that the sincere, the truly sincere always find the genuine article, the bonafide Spiritual Master, but if your insincere you get a cheater. So really those who are following a cheater are not sincere.
davegarret 4 years ago
When people say that religion causes wars, I don't think it is so much religion, but rather the people within those religion and their interpretations and arguments. The living proof is in indisputable evidence from this clip and the comments on it.
pammydolly 4 years ago
"I really believe that if you are genuinely sincere, it shouldn't matter which method you use."
Thats fine pammydolly, but Prabhupada never said that, and we follow Prabhupada so I have to disagree. One method will take you to hell, the other back to Krishna...lol quite a difference.
davegarret 4 years ago
I don't think any of you know what Prabhupada said. Ravindra's actions and the other lady's actions really are physical assults and should have been reported to the Police for arrest.
Uriahmichael 4 years ago
One side feels that you can only get to god through Prabhupada, and the other believes that other gurus are authorised to do the job. I am sure that there are a lot of sincere devotees on both sides. I really believe that if you are genuinely sincere, it shouldn't matter which method you use.
pammydolly 4 years ago
Protestants will attack catholics for praying to the Virgin Mary, saints etc for intercession to God, and for other beliefs regarding communion, confession etc etc. When you think about it, this argument has some parallels with the argument that some Christians pose - you can only get to God through Jesus himself
pammydolly 4 years ago
I was brought up Catholic and this argument kind of reminds me of a Protestant Catholic bible quoting slagging match. Some (and rememeber, I only say some not all)
pammydolly 4 years ago
Bogus ISKCON is almost finnished anyway, its dried up like the gaudia matha, because the same thing happened then also.
Lets get back to Prabhupada and you will see ISKCON return to its former glory its that simple.
davegarret 4 years ago
Pdevidasi says she will only accept the words of a SP disciple regarding whether or not SP attended a GBC meeting:
"Prabhupada never went to a GBC meeting. Prabhupada disciples told me he never went so I accept it."
When the following testimony from a SP disciple and GBC member is provided, she rejects it as "half-hen logic". What a bozo!
"The GBC would make resolutions, and then Srila Prabhupada would approve them. In fact, sometimes he would attend our meetings" (Balavanta dasa)
Dharmaraja 4 years ago
Prabhupada spoke of half hen philosophy, it is when a farmer wants the half of the hen that gives eggs but not the half he has to feed so he cuts the hen in half, destroying the whole thing. So the IRM wants Balavanta's opinion that Prabhupada went to the GBC meetings but not the one that Prabhupada said he wanted regular gurus after he left.
bhaktabill 4 years ago
The irm are always engaging in half hen philosophy, quoting Prabhupada disciples as supreme authorities on every topic but when the Prabhupada disciples speak of Prabhupada's desire for the disciplic succession to continue the irm cuts the hen in half, killing it. You can't cut Prabhupada's desire in half.
bhaktabill 4 years ago
pdevidasi, gantaraja, gurukuli....now its bhaktabill.
This is the same TROLL.
davegarret 4 years ago
pdeviddasi wrote: "Dharmaraja you are such a mental speculator, along with all the IRM. Prabhupada never went to a GBC meeting"; and "Prabhupada disciples told me he never went so I accept it."
Prabhupda disciple states: "The GBC would make resolutions, and then Srila Prabhupada would approve them. In fact, sometimes he would attend our meetings [...] When Prabhupada attended the meetings..." (GBC member Balavanta dasa, ISKCON TV's "Memories Series")
Dharmaraja 4 years ago
Prabhupada is the current link. Hare Krishna!
davegarret 4 years ago
pdevidasi, gantaraja or Gurukuli?
This is probably the same person trolling here. They all have one thing in common they seem to hate Krishnakant and behave very irrationally, I wouldnt waste my time with this very disturbed individual.
davegarret 4 years ago
If you take a letter as a "directive" all that letter says is that the 11 will henceforward act as gurus. Therefore there can be no more. I don't take Tamal's word, sorry. And if you don't take it literally, then it is useless as a directive. It can't be both open to speculation and taken as a directive at the same time.
pdevidasi 4 years ago
Wrong. The letter does not even mention the word "gurus". It clearly says: " 'rittik' -representative of the acarya, for the purpose of performing initiations". Please note that the list of ritviks was an initial list, as confirmed in the letter by the words "so far". In addition, letters issued on July 11 and 21 referring to the July 9 letter similarly state: "thus far" and "initial list", meaning that the number of ritviks could be decomissioned or added to, just as with GBCs or TPs.
Dharmaraja 4 years ago
Then CLEARLY Dharmaraja Prabhu Prabhupada left the GBC in charge to decide on these things not the IRM, who never even existed until the non-acharya Krishna Kant Desai imagined it out of his own fertile brain in the early nineties or something.
pdevidasi 4 years ago
NO! Prabhupada ONLY mandated the GBC to execute HIS instructions, not invent their own:
"The GBC has NO OTHER FUNCTION OR PURPOSE other than to execute the instructions so kindly given by His Divine Grace and preserve and spread His Teachings to the world in their pure form."
(Definition of GBC, Resolution 1, GBC minutes 1975)
The IRM exists to remind everyone to follow Srila Prabhupada's instructions to continue to keep HIM as the Guru via the ritvik system he set up.
Dharmaraja 4 years ago
Again you are quoting the GBC as an authority. Prabhupada never even went to a GBC meeting, right? He left it up to the GBC to decide how to rule the society of devotees. You are not quoting Prabhupada you are quoting the GBC again instead of him.
pdevidasi 4 years ago
Even accepting your quotation verbatim Prabhupada STILL left the GBC in charge to decide how to "execute the instructions", not the non-acharya Shreela Mr. non-inititated Desai. The temple stealer. He pilfered devotees and temples AWAY from Prabhupada. How is that serving ISKCON? Tying up ISKCON moneys in court costs?
pdevidasi 4 years ago
"Prabhupada never even went to a GBC meeting, right?"
Wrong again:
"A daily meeting of the GBC with Srila Prabhupada will be held for reading the day's resolutions for approval by His Divine Grace."
(GBC Resolution March 6th, 1976)
Try and stick to the facts, it may help you appreciate that Srila Prabhupada is our real spiritual master.
Dharmaraja 4 years ago
"your speculation that Prabhupada said the original 11 ritviks will last for the next ten thousand years."
Our speculation.....? I think that is YOUR speculation, and is rediculous just like the rest of your comments. Isnt it the height of cultish fanaticism to wholeheartedly oppose a position that you dont even correctly undertand in the first place. This is proven to be the case as Dharmaraja has shown clearly.
davegarret 4 years ago
pdevidasi - one ISKCON guru recently called another a "sick, obsessed, duplicitous liar". BTP reported this. BTP also reports other statements from the GBC and its gurus. Only an idiot would complain at the *publication*, rather than taking it up with the gurus themselves who make these statements. It's called 'shooting the messenger'. And you still haven't admitted that you have completely fabricated the quote from SP below. This, of course, IS blasphemy and is HIGHLY offensive to SP.
Dharmaraja 4 years ago
pdevidasi, the IRM never says that the original 11 ritviks will last for the next 10,000 years. The July 9th directive clearly states with reference to the appointed 11 ritviks, "His Divine Grace has SO FAR given a list of eleven disciples who will act in that capacity". And TKG stated on Dec 3, 1980: "Before I got ready to type the letter, I asked him: "Srila Prabhupada, is this all or do you want to add more?" He said, "As is necessary, OTHERS MAY BE ADDED."
Dharmaraja 4 years ago
"Of course if it weren't for the pictures of Srila Prabhupada the whole rest of the magazine would be simply trash, nothing sacred about it." This is the typical response of a fanatical cult member who is incapable of addressing or responding to any of the points or facts raised in the magazine. Much easier to call it "trash" and ignore the truth. "Ignorance is bliss", as they say.
Dharmaraja 4 years ago
Back to Prabhupada = sacred trash. Prabhupada's pictures should be reverentially destroyed by placing them in the sacred trash before burning them along with the rest of the sacred trash. They should not be ripped up in the mode of passion. This is very bad.
pdevidasi 4 years ago
I have noticed that grantaraja crazy deranged troll comments are very like similar to 'gurukuli'. Its probably the same person and should be blocked. If its not the same person, what does this say about the character of bogus Iskcon guru supporters?
davegarret 4 years ago
The reason the IRMSCAM devotee could not keep the empowered mataji from liberating the BTPee's is because SHE follows the four reg's and he doesn't, therefore no tejas. If you print Prabhupada's picture on toilet paper the best thing you can do with it is rip it up or burn it. The content of BTPee's inside are like stool. Printing Prabhupada's picture on the cover doesn't change that.
grantaraja 4 years ago
"If you print Prabhupada's picture on toilet paper the best thing you can do with it is rip it up or burn it."
Yes he is quite clearly insane, as he does not even understand that Prabhupada's picture whatever it is printed on is NONDIFFERENT FROM HIMSELF.
davegarret 4 years ago
"Jaya ripping Prabhupada" your sick
davegarret 4 years ago
"Jaya ripping Prabhupada"?? You are quite clearly insane.
Dharmaraja 4 years ago
The Indian "lady"'s choice of words was probably inspired by Satsvarupa's sex novel "Sanatorium". One thing she did get right though - we are very happy to be Srila Prabhupada's dogs: that is the perfection of life.
Dharmaraja 4 years ago
grantaraja, you seem very confused, and you are not making any sense.
Our position is that Prabhupada is the Diksa Guru of ISKCON, your inconsistent ramblings concerning Kazakstan and Srila Prabhupada's books have NOTHING to do with refuting that position. By the way IRM does distribute Prabhupada's books.....the REAL ones, not Jayavaita's bogus deviations.
davegarret 4 years ago
Yes, it definitely takes intelligence to generalize an entire movement. Way to go on both sides of the fence. Whatever happened to just glorifying Krsna? Why all this hate? It's not just one party or movement. It's everywhere. Why can't someone just concentrate on positivity for once? All glories to Srila Prabhupada!
ponderousheavy 4 years ago
This is all bogus nonsense and it does not wash. Arjuna was speaking like this at Kuruksetra and Krishna smashed his nonsense and told him to fight! Prabhupada's never taught us to sit around and just 'glorify Krsna' 'concentrate on the positive' his mood was to fight maya and preach. Maya is now INSIDE Iskcon in the form of bogus guru's and they must be exposed so that the innocent will not be cheated.
davegarret 4 years ago
Well... you know they changed Prabupadas books as well.
How DAY THEY. Iskon was finished on the day his divine grace left this material World. Only thieves roam the jungle now. Child abuse, money fraud, be-headings, everyone wants to be treated like a guru.... What has iskon become....
dusnumberie 4 years ago
True, its like Christianity, what we see now has near enough nothing to do with Jesus's pure teachings, only corrupt ambitious leaders who introduce bogus principles aimed towards grafifying their own senses.
davegarret 4 years ago
A recent lawsuit against ISKON alleged offences including rape, sexual abuse, physical torture and emotional terror.
• Forced to sleep in unheated rooms and walk great distances in bitter cold without coats or shoes
• Deprived of medical care for malaria, hepatitis and broken bones
• Scrubbed with steel wool until they bled
• Moved to schools in different states without parental consent.
dusnumberie 4 years ago
ISKCON in Kazakstan or someplace was accused of all these things. Why don't you IRMSCAMMERS print and distribute some of Prabhupada's books this year for a change?
grantaraja 4 years ago
now thats a bit crazy. I am not familiar with the politics that might be behind the dispute but I am familiar with the concept of tolerance, respect and compassion...something individuals in this video completely lack. Watching this just makes me even more disgusted by organized religion.
bosco786 4 years ago
Yes prabhu you are totally correct with your observations. Philosophical disputes can be debated in a civilized manner, no need for oppression and violence. This is always the answer for those who wish to keep the truth hidden so that their cheating can go on unchallenged.
davegarret 4 years ago
This shows how "advanced" the ISKCON "Gurus" are.They are dry as a raisin.Full of frustation,hate and resentment.
Don't give up IRM.
vasu108 4 years ago
"trnad api sunicena taror api sahisnuna amanina manadena kirtaniyah sada harih" One can chant the holy name of the Lord in a humble state of mind, thinking himself lower than a blade of straw. One should b more tolerant than a tree, devoid of all sense of false prestige&ready 2 offer all respects 2 others. ln such a state of mind one can chant the holy name of the Lord constantly." there is no respect or humility in the video.
shubz1 5 years ago
ye vaisnava-sthane aparadha haya yara
puna se ksamile a paradha ghuce tara
If one offends a Vaisnava, the only way to get free from the offense is to go back that Vaisnava and beg his forgiveness. (C.Bhag. Madhya 22.32) come on guys : ) Jai Radhe!!!
shubz1 5 years ago
Shubz1 of course this is true. But by quoting this you are implying that someone is making aparadha. Who are you refering to? IRM? Who simply preach the truth. Or Ravindra svarupa who verbally and physically abuses those who wish to follow the truth? Please clarify.
davegarret 5 years ago
im not familia with IRM or Ravindra svarupa, watchin the video you can see the lady tearin the magazine & people shouting abuse are making aparadha.
shubz1 5 years ago
this video is full of anger, people in dhoti and sarees imatating Devotees but you can see how contaminated ther hearts are by ther actions. "akrodha paramananda nityananda raya" the noble Nityananda Prabhu is never angry. Gurudev Srila BV Narayan Maharaj says to follow in Nityananda's lotus footsteps, do u agree?
shubz1 5 years ago
Hare Krishna shubz1! Yes we must follow in Nityananda's footsteps and be very humble. It is a shame that devotees become angry and agressive toward IRM members just because they preach the truth about Prabhupada's clear instructions.
davegarret 5 years ago
Gaur Haribol! yes that is a shame, worse that they dont know what kind of aparadha they are doing. how do you think they have become so brave as to behave in such aggresive maner? what is it the IRM are trying to do?
shubz1 5 years ago
Yes!tearing a picture of Srila Prabhupada is the greatest offense possible to a Vaisnav-one must beg forgiveness from Srila Prabupada otherwise I don't know where this demoness will end up.
oceanofmercy1008 5 years ago
Took you a while to figure this one out. Did you have help with this as well? Is this the best you can do?
subjipadu 5 years ago
gurukuli : "Here's where the dummy part comes in subji, I said kkdesai isn't ONE of them, but you (not so) cleverly turn my sentence around and say he doesn't qualify as "a few". Well I said ONE dumbass, not A FEW! You rits haven't got a quarter of a brain between the bunch of you!"
subjipadu 5 years ago
and this was your complete quote gurukuli : "Srila Prabhupada himself said if he had just a few disciples who were Krishna conscious he could change the whole world in seventeen days? Guess kkdesai doesn't qualify to be one of them"Maybe he does qualify, but where are the rest?
subjipadu 5 years ago
He by himself did not change the world,so he does not qualify as a few.
AGTSP
SPD
subjipadu 5 years ago
mm twisting Prabhupada's words, interesting....are you doing that? I think so.
davegarret 5 years ago
"Dave half of what is in BTPee is about ex-sannyasis"
er sorry wrong. NONE of it is about a simple sanyasis that have unfortunately fallen into maya. Its all about the BOGUS GURU'S who initiate disciples and accept worship when they were only meant to act as Ritvik Representative of the Acharya. Refer to the July 9th Letter.
davegarret 5 years ago
"Ritvik means a temporary function."
Please produce the quote from Prabhupada saying that. If you cant, then that is a speculation.
Dharmasetu 5 years ago
Does Prabhupada say not to critisize CHEATING BOGUS GURU'S?
"Our business is to point out who is NOT a saint"(Srila Prabhupada Morning Walk, April 10th,1974)
"If a man is a thief and PEOPLE ARE WARNED THAT HE IS A THEIF, THAT IS THE TRUTH. Although sometimes the truth is unpalatable,ONE SHOULD NOT REFRAIN FROM SPEAKING IT." (Bhagavada-gita As It Is,10:4-5,purport)
Gurukuli you are critisizing and oposing the words of Prabhupada, please do not do that. It is extemely DEMONIAC!
davegarret 5 years ago
"Srila Prabhupada himself said if he had just a few disciples who were Krishna conscious he could change the whole world in seventeen days? Guess kkdesai doesn't qualify to be one of them" Yes I guess he doesn't qualify as a few
subjipadu 5 years ago
This demon gurukuli is as crazy as he is envious. He's the same weirdo that used to troll the IRM forums, I recognise the sick venomous obsession with Krishnakant.
Dharmasetu 5 years ago
gurukuli your insane rambilngs are becomming more and more mindless and delusional. You are really full of hate.
davegarret 5 years ago
Yes. The conversation is over, gurukuli. Because you're certainly wasting your time here with nothing of any value to say.
amjiva 5 years ago
gurukuli you sall follow GBC? What GBC? You call a bunch of, criminal, deviant, bogus, demons GBC? You think we should follow them like the way you brainlessly, mindlessly, fanatically, blindly? No thanks we follow Prabhupada, NOT IMPOSTERS who pretend to be GBC.
davegarret 5 years ago
Gurukuli, you resort to attacking Krishnakant because you haven't any legitimate arguments. IRM supporters are such because of the facts concerning what Srila Prabhupada authorized, not simply because Krishnakant says so. If you want to challenge the points the IRM makes, then please do so.
amjiva 5 years ago
Since the GBC have deviated from Srila Prabhupada's orders, it must logically be concluded that in order to follow Srila Prabhupada's orders one would have to not cooperate with the GBC. Now, if the GBC decides to return to Prabhupada as the sole diksa guru of ISKCON, then we will talk about cooperation.
amjiva 5 years ago
"Who cares, as long as KKD authorises it? KKD ki jai!"
Now try actually addressing the arguments. Thanks.
amjiva 5 years ago
Wrong, gurukuli. Since the GBC have deviated from representing Srila Prabhupada's orders, there is no longer a question of cooperating with them. They cooperate with the guru's orders or they get rejected and exposed for the lie they propagate in Srila Prabhupada's name.
amjiva 5 years ago
ignoring what the current guru states and trying to argue on the basis of past acharyas, I see. Try again.
amjiva 5 years ago
the word, "forever" is not required. The status quo remains until a change is authorized. Simple logic.
amjiva 5 years ago
This devotee didn't come to fight and argue, gurukuli. He came to pass out information. So, yeah... what are you even talking about?
If you really think you have a case against the IRM, then why don't you present you argument to the IRM? We would all love to see by what, how and when the ritvik system of initiation was to be replaced.
amjiva 5 years ago
All Glories to Sri Guru & Sri Gauranga! rather than spend time fighting, aruging and critising, dont you think it would be better to follow Sriman Mahaprabhu? ther is no politics there, only Prem, whats going on with you guys is not devotional, its not loving. Sri Radharani ki Jai! Sri Radha Madhav Milatana Vipralambha Gaura Hari ki Jai! Sri Gaudiya Math ki Jai! Nam Sankirtan ki Jai!
shubz1 5 years ago
gurukuli stop spamming here, your crazy
Dharmasetu 5 years ago
Hari, Hari
subjipadu 5 years ago
davegaret this guys nuts dont waste your time with him
Dharmasetu 5 years ago
Im just looking at your last few posts...and you say I have lost it? There is no point discussing anything with you any more, your a very strange individual as anyone reading this can see. Hare Krishna
davegarret 5 years ago
Here you have it guys, TKG says Prabhupada only authorised ritviks, Bhakti caru says Prabhupada is the real Guru, Jayadwaita says Iskcon Guru's are bogus. Gurukuli I think you should listed to YOUR AUTHORITIES because they all say bogus and that Prabhupada is the real Guru. Whats the matter dont believe them?
davegarret 5 years ago
"Oh so now Bhakti Charu Swami is being taken as another authority?" He's your authority so listen to him he's saying he's bogus.
"Who is he to speak for anyone else except for in his humble mood." But you say he is an Acharya in the line of Disciplic succession? if he was then he can speak for everyone cant he? well is he or isnt he?
davegarret 5 years ago
lol gurukuli, I will be happy to discuss anything with you but please leave out comments of 'smashing ritviks' haha I mean give me a break, be civilised please.
davegarret 5 years ago
My understanding - as a mere layman - is that Srila Prabhupada is still the guru for ISKCON, the movement he singlehandedly created and that in 1977 he gave authorization to the 11? to initiate on his behalf, not to accept disciples of their own - within ISKCON at least.
I beg your forgiveness if I am mistaken here prabhus. Hare Krishna.
michaelstmark 5 years ago
Michaelstmark, you are correct Prabhu, no mistake at all! Only thing is that Prabhupada said that, "more could be added" to the original 11, thats convenient as most have deviated or left thier bodies!
davegarret 5 years ago
I know Dave, that is most unfortunate. Surely the present GBC will have the humility to at least investigate their positions within ISKCON as desired by Prabhupada in the light of so many fall-downs?
In any case it is said a self-effulgent (bone fide) spiritual master is always self-evident to the sincere devotee by a) never falling down and b) the charged atmosphere of bliss surrounding him.
michaelstmark 5 years ago
Michael they know that they are not actual acharya's. Even Bhakti Charu Swami said of himself and his godbrothers; "Therefore our responsibility is to mediate between you and Srila Prabhupada, and SRILA PRABHUPADA WILL TAKE YOU TO KRISHNA"(BCS 7/4/06)
A real self effulgient Acharya is the link to Krishna, he does not need to bring disciples to the previous Guru. That is an admission of thier real position, yet they still pretend to be Acharya's.
davegarret 5 years ago
"Show me a note from any previous acarya stating which one of his disciples shall become guru? You got one?"
I think that you have forgotten that Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati, gave the ORDER "to make GBC body and to WAIT FOR THE SELF EFFULGENT ACHARYA!"
You are again defeated! (Is that why you are becoming more and more angry and abusive?)
davegarret 5 years ago
"Show me a note from any previous acarya stating which one of his disciples shall become guru?"
Is authorisation necessary? Yes or no?
davegarret 5 years ago
"Where is a quote from any previous acarya saying when a disciple shall become guru except for after the departure of the guru?"
Youve really crossed the line now my friend. Are you saying no authorisation is necessary? That a disciple automatically can become a guru after his guru leaves the planet? I hope not because Prabhupada said an order must be given, even the GBC accept that fact.
JayIsrael1 5 years ago
KKD's nonsense? Are you insane? I quoted Prabhupada twice saying that authorisation must be given! PRABHUPADA SAID IT! READ THE QUOTES! Going againced Prabhupada's clear words is the behaviour of a demon not a devotee.
JayIsrael1 5 years ago
"A Guru can be Guru WHEN AUTHORISED BY HIS GURU. Thats all. Otherwise NOBODY can become Guru" (Sp Lecture 18/10/76)
"Self made Guru cannot be Guru. HE MUST BE AUTHORISED BY THE BONA FIDE GURU" (SP NOD Lecture 31/10/76)
Who is initiating without Prabhupada's order? Who is blindly following such a bogus imposter? And you brand IRM demons?
JayIsrael1 5 years ago
"So Yama are you saying that Prabhupada can't liberate someone who follows him?"
Thats my very point, he isnt following Prabhupada! He disobeyed Prabhupada by initiating without an order to do so!
"The misguided conditioned soul also approaches so-called sadhus and swamis who preach against the principles of the Vedas. He does not receive benefit from them, either in the present or in the future."
(Srimad-Bhagavatam 5.14.13)
davegarret 5 years ago
First you have to prove we are being offensive. If what we are saying is true, then there is no offence.
davegarret 5 years ago
sorry your confussed again. Krishnakant does not ask us to wash his feet and go around pretending he's a guru. You are getting more and more angry, irrational, and abnoxious. Is that because you have been defeated?
davegarret 5 years ago
Avoiding the issue? Produce the quote, we would like to see it. And as for following Krishnakanta, he doesnt go around pretending to be a guru and having his feet washed. Prabhupada is the Guru for the next 10000 years! Get to understand that, and the nasty peice of work that you are worshiping whoever he is cannot even liberate himself let alone you.
Yamaraja 5 years ago
"it was for training the new gurus" lol thats a new one, can you back that up please with a quote from Prabhupada, actually I dont even think the GBC have ever come out with that one before!!
davegarret 5 years ago
"on my command you will become full gurus" I guess you have that 'command'? If you do give it to Jayadvaita he's been looking for it for the last 30 years. We can finaly resolve the issue gurukuli has the actual quote where Prabhupada gives the command! Jaya
davegarret 5 years ago
"Duh, because he never said it was forever, it was for training the new gurus."
Oh dear now your very confussed. Train new guru's lol thats a new. One both the IRM AND THE GBC agree it was to initate diciple without Prabhupada being present. The controvercy is was it to go on after Prabhupada left. Train new guru's?? thats a new one, Im afrain even your own GBC will not agree with you there.
JayIsrael1 5 years ago
"on my command you will become full gurus" oh dear this is getting silly now, please tell me WHERE THAT COMMAND TOOK PLACE? It does not exist anywhere on the Vedabase, and the GBC have yet to produce it. But maybe you have it??? Let us know
JayIsrael1 5 years ago
'Rubbish' please elaborate as to what is rubbish about Srila Prabhupada's instructions for a Ritvik system via the July 9th Directive? You are saying Prabhupada's instructions are 'rubbish'? I surely hope not.
davegarret 5 years ago
you need to wake up, because even if 'ritviks' disagree with you philosophically, there is no excuse for violence. You should defeat with arguement, to debate that is the civilzed way, but you will lose, just like back in the 1980 Ritvik debate which was banned by TKG, why ban it? I tell you why because it exposed the TRUTH!!!!
JayIsrael1 5 years ago
so-called rtvik debate was 1990 w/ ravinedra. 1980 was the Topanga Canyon so-called confession by TKillerG. The only reason that was held was so that tamal could rattle the sabre and show his partners in crime that if they were serious about puttin' him on ice, then he was prepared to expose the whole guru cheating scam. THAT is the ONLY reason TKG went thru that exercise. When he had achieved his goal, then, naturally, the tapes were recalled (Duh!)
StephenVoith 4 years ago