"....one should not talk nonsense. When speaking in spiritual circles, one's statements must be upheld by the scriptures. One should at once quote from scriptural authority to back up what he is saying."
Maybe YOU should read Lilamrita again, find the quote, then we are in knowledge. However unless you can do that, how does anyone know if what you say is true or not. Are we supposed to blindly believe you? .. Just because YOU say so, eh?
aloysiusish claims " Prabhupada said I have given you everything, I have made the structure and all you have to do is fill it in." Really? When, Where did he say this?
"Unless it is there from me in writing, there are so many things that "Prabhupada said." (Srila Prabhupada Letter, 2/9/75)
"...just like in our ISKCON there are so many false things: "Prabhupada said this, Prabhupada said that." (Srila Prabhupada Letter, 7/11/72)
when i click on this video the obama girl comes up as the related videos!! lol. wtf does harryk108 watch in his spare time. dude watching porn and jerking off is not good for your memory, is that why u forget things like instructions. Haha. Jerk off! Do all of your people watch porn?! haha.
De qualquer forma ... rasgar uma foto de SS.SPrabhupada é DEMONÍACO!
A Iskcon tem uma péssima mania de achar que "ELES" são santos, verdadeiros seguidores de SS.S Prabhupada ... o resto do mundo é demonio, e estão prontos pra irem ao inferno! Ridiculo.
How dare they blaspheme Srila Prabupada, Disregard his instruction and insult parampara. Do they think themselves higher then Prabhupada himself to try to interpret what he so clearly set forth. Conveniant that "Back to Prabhupada" was so innocently described as just a magazine and the Rtvik just another devotee, They know they have no place preaching at ISKCON events.
how can they have a spiritual life when they commit so much Vaisnava aparhada with no remmorse.
Detroit Wrath Yatra 2006 was a PUBLIC festival. As such everyone was welcome. If ISKCON don't want people to come to PUBLIC festivals they should make that clear PUBLICLY prior to the event.
The biggest insult to the PARAMPARA was made by ISKCON when they VOTED homosexuals and possibly pedophiles also, into the disciplic succession.
As for offensive behaviour, ISKCON are masters of that also. Ask HH Narayan Maharaja, HH Govinda Maharaja or any other followers of HH Shridar Maharaja.
It's the result following such "gurus". Beating, banning, murder. This "gurus" actually teach people that it is Gods pleasure to kill all people who don't accept them. Praphupada had a true perception of the bona fide pure devotee and spiritual master, which actually is Jesus and none other. Jesus is ONE and ONLY master and not one of many. Prabhupada just acts as placeholder as long as the followers are not able to grasp the truth and to prevent a takeover of demoniac impostor gurus.
srila acbsp said to srila bnarayan maharaja ,please take care of my disciples they are like monkeys,only know how to figth,just see there he is mr. great gringoguru hh ravindra suarupa maharaja is figthing like the great jambavan or hanuman ,at least he makes me remnber my name also yhs jambavan das a.
if srila narayana maharaja says cangurus that is a bleesing,imagine how wonderfull to be a canguru in goloka vrindavan jumping and playing whith nanda kishor.
siksa guru and diksa guru are the same ,since sri krishnas times there have been only 32 great acaryas and those who recognise acbssp as the last one are both 50 % rigth and 50% wrong ,srila prabhupad himself would be more proud about us if we were doing service to his older godbrothers ,he formed bakthyvedanta charity trust ,he asked his followers to help his older god brothers specifically he mentioned medicines ,food and clothes everything has to be done through the mercy of older vaisnavas
times serve srila prabhupad please we will never pay him what he has done for us ,we all please lets serve srila prabhupada he repeated the same thing in 10 minutes class then ask for questions,nobody ask everything was clear .He understands the power of srila prabhupadas mercy and if a gringoguru says do not see srila prabhupadas spiritual brothers,I spit and leave the place very soon ,remember that srila bakthysiddantha cried his lotus tears over their shoulders ,guru is one and he neverleaves
finally they did as etiquete diplomatic mood,then s.puri maharaja sat beside near srila prabhupadas big murty and everyone waiting ,50 or more people sited still in front of the open altar,srila prabhupad and puri maharaja who said after a log breath ¨please do serve srila prabhupada,lets all of us do it ,he started criying,do serve him because we can never pay him what he has done for all of us ,looking at their lordships and his beloved brother acbssp,his voice shoking he said the same three
speak ,he saw their lordships sri jaganath bakladev and subhadra,trere he was and older devotee 89m years old ,that one who lives rigth next door gundica temple in sri puri dham,that puri maharaja who is now 97 years old ,the one and only srila prabhupada called him a sincere friend,srila bakthy vaibava puri goswami maharajawho is the personal friend of orissa royal family was rigth there waiting for a place to sit more than 5 or 8 minutes,I went near the temple commander and askforachair please
and arrived at mexico coming from viena and croatia,rome etc...in you tube you can see in a class lectured in croatia he can be seen telling everyone how proud and happy he says after here I´m going to a very very far away land really far over the ocean ,just look at how happy he looks in such an spiritual adventure ,when he came to see lord jaganath an the local hare krishna temple,guadalajara temple president was premananda das (hdga)and he was told by the gbc to let them in but dont let him
agtsp dear prabhus and matajis accept my respectfull obeisances at your feet ,do anyone of you had seen srila bvpuri goswami´s eyes full of tears when speaking about hdg acbssp ?Ive once at guadalajara temple iskcon established in last 70 ´s,h d grace puri maharaja was flying on his 2002 and second world tour ,he only did three such trips ´so hdg bvpuri gm wanted to see the most temples as possible established by srila prabhupad and his divine followers ,he did this in a mood of pilgrimage sense
and this lady calls me ill names because i didnt give her a seat she is rigth is narayan maharaja calls me a canguru I must feel happy,that means he is bleesing me ,i pray so i may be a cangooro in goloka vrindavan playing and jumping whith sri krishna forever yhs jambavan das a.
to me the fact ,I have enough,I just need to know that when s. bakthysiddantha left this planet he was among his more dear followers and before he left he called everyone of them and embraced and cried his lotus tears over their shoulders s. sriddhar maharaja did the same on s.govinda maharaja,srila bpkesava maharaja did the same on tirtha and narayana maharajas,acbsp asked us to give food medicines or clothes to his older godbrothers,if I amgoing in a crowded bus and a nice old lady gets mad at
dear shawnme08 please accept my respects be carefull do not criticize just try to find the pure devotees and associete with them ,there is hope in such a powerfull association ,like s. narayan maharaja or go with s. puri maharaja and his servants but please do not spoil your heart losing your time tinking about this neofite people ,from tepoztlan mexico all glories to srila prabhupada yhs jambavan das a.
Hare Krsna Prabhu, please accept my humble obeisances. you are correct, in this life we have to find out the pure devotees within the contaminated ones and associate with the pure as the knowledge and span of knowledge will increase and remain transcendental, thats all i want to say, hope i never offended anyone in any way
dear devotees agtsp agtspurim. in thebegining 80,s srila b.raksak sridhar m. said to the gbc that those who want to be gurus must go out ,preach in behalf their guru maharaja and open their own temples,can someone tell me PLEASE which among the 80 gurus in iskcon had done this?here in mex i there are only two temples,guadalajara and mex city ,and guad is almost whith puri maharaja and vvrs wva the gbc here guru prasad s.hadnt been able to open new temples after20years around mex fakeguru?orwhat
after all this years can someone tell me which gurusn are opening and taking care of their own temples, I know bir krishna das goswami in north carolina,he has abeautiful temple built whit his own hands,bir krishna maharaja ki jay... from tepoztlan mexico whithlove for prabhupad yhs jambavan das a.
is sad ,the gbc says,we all need a living guru s.prabhupad is with krishna ,we only have his vani ,but they dontobbey s.prabhupadas instruction,HE SAID INITIATE IN MY NAME,but no Iam guru now,you cant have s.p. mercy if Idont give you mine first,that is totally out of sidhanta,nonsense s.p. mercy is infinite,please if you want to be gurudev diksa do open your own temple dont be a thieve thinking you are like prabhupad,just see this crazy lady she is against the final order INITIATEINMYNAME spki
name calling yz! thiz iz one of the wayz they mark themselves do not fall for t use of "profanities z z Z iz iz a form of insanity an exorcise in inhumanity" ...
t language of usurpers generally contains profanities b careful az Prabhupad iz not t only Dasa that haz been poisoned by t deamonz that have rizen to take hiz place ... know prabhupada wz making changez they did not like! roni maY az raZ rantZ chantZ
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation" Herbert Spencer
as the so-called Christians have corrupted Lord Jesus Christ's message, so the Gaudiya Math, and then Iskcon. This type of revolution or re-incarnation if you will of the apparent "body" of the preaching body, is normal and has happened before, and will again. But those who are sincere and determined, will march on.
"Truth always rests with the minority, and the minority is always stronger than the majority, because the minority is generally formed by those who really have an opinion, while the strength of a majority is illusory, formed by the gangs who have no opinion -- and who, therefore, in the next instant (when it is evident that the minority is the stronger) assume its opinion... while truth again reverts to a new minority." Soren Kierkegaard
let us simply continue preaching the true message and mercy. usurption, compromise, corruption, gradually happens in every pure sampradaya. Truth can stand in the light and withstand debate, but lies cannot and must resort to intimidation and thug tactics. Anyone who wants to see can see, but most are herd animals who simply want to be part of a large and safe group.
I agree with you DaveGarret, it is so obvious that theses non-ritvik devotees are so mislead, and very rude and ridiculous. Devotees should get along, not fight, how can you tell someone who is a devotee that they are not welcome. we would all be NOWHERE without Srila Prabhupada, its obvious, and look at all the bogus gurus who have made fools of themselves in the past, isnt that enough proof that we ahould be ritvik?
Prabhupada is the current Diksha Guru - initiating spiritual master for Iskcon. Srila Prabhupada lives, and is just as available today as he has always been, to accept us as his disciples and give us his mercy.
The current Guru system in Iskcon is a hoax. Guru hoax has happened earlier too, so let's stop this one now! those disciples who care about srila prabhupada must act upon to expose & stop this one now..
so-called rtvik debate was 1990 w/ ravinedra. 1980 was the Topanga Canyon so-called confession by TKillerG. The only reason that was held was so that tamal could rattle the sabre and show his partners in crime that if they were serious about puttin' him on ice, then he was prepared to expose the whole guru cheating scam. THAT is the ONLY reason TKG went thru that exercise. When he had achieved his goal, then, naturally, the tapes were recalled (Duh!)
When people say that religion causes wars, I don't think it is so much religion, but rather the people within those religion and their interpretations and arguments. The living proof is in indisputable evidence from this clip and the comments on it.
One side feels that you can only get to god through Prabhupada, and the other believes that other gurus are authorised to do the job. I am sure that there are a lot of sincere devotees on both sides. I really believe that if you are genuinely sincere, it shouldn't matter which method you use.
Protestants will attack catholics for praying to the Virgin Mary, saints etc for intercession to God, and for other beliefs regarding communion, confession etc etc. When you think about it, this argument has some parallels with the argument that some Christians pose - you can only get to God through Jesus himself
I was brought up Catholic and this argument kind of reminds me of a Protestant Catholic bible quoting slagging match. Some (and rememeber, I only say some not all)
Yes, it definitely takes intelligence to generalize an entire movement. Way to go on both sides of the fence. Whatever happened to just glorifying Krsna? Why all this hate? It's not just one party or movement. It's everywhere. Why can't someone just concentrate on positivity for once? All glories to Srila Prabhupada!
now thats a bit crazy. I am not familiar with the politics that might be behind the dispute but I am familiar with the concept of tolerance, respect and compassion...something individuals in this video completely lack. Watching this just makes me even more disgusted by organized religion.
Gaur Haribol! yes that is a shame, worse that they dont know what kind of aparadha they are doing. how do you think they have become so brave as to behave in such aggresive maner? what is it the IRM are trying to do?
this video is full of anger, people in dhoti and sarees imatating Devotees but you can see how contaminated ther hearts are by ther actions. "akrodha paramananda nityananda raya" the noble Nityananda Prabhu is never angry. Gurudev Srila BV Narayan Maharaj says to follow in Nityananda's lotus footsteps, do u agree?
"trnad api sunicena taror api sahisnuna amanina manadena kirtaniyah sada harih" One can chant the holy name of the Lord in a humble state of mind, thinking himself lower than a blade of straw. One should b more tolerant than a tree, devoid of all sense of false prestige&ready 2 offer all respects 2 others. ln such a state of mind one can chant the holy name of the Lord constantly." there is no respect or humility in the video.
If one offends a Vaisnava, the only way to get free from the offense is to go back that Vaisnava and beg his forgiveness. (C.Bhag. Madhya 22.32) come on guys : ) Jai Radhe!!!
gurukuli : "Here's where the dummy part comes in subji, I said kkdesai isn't ONE of them, but you (not so) cleverly turn my sentence around and say he doesn't qualify as "a few". Well I said ONE dumbass, not A FEW! You rits haven't got a quarter of a brain between the bunch of you!"
and this was your complete quote gurukuli : "Srila Prabhupada himself said if he had just a few disciples who were Krishna conscious he could change the whole world in seventeen days? Guess kkdesai doesn't qualify to be one of them"Maybe he does qualify, but where are the rest?
"Srila Prabhupada himself said if he had just a few disciples who were Krishna conscious he could change the whole world in seventeen days? Guess kkdesai doesn't qualify to be one of them" Yes I guess he doesn't qualify as a few
Gurukuli, you resort to attacking Krishnakant because you haven't any legitimate arguments. IRM supporters are such because of the facts concerning what Srila Prabhupada authorized, not simply because Krishnakant says so. If you want to challenge the points the IRM makes, then please do so.
Since the GBC have deviated from Srila Prabhupada's orders, it must logically be concluded that in order to follow Srila Prabhupada's orders one would have to not cooperate with the GBC. Now, if the GBC decides to return to Prabhupada as the sole diksa guru of ISKCON, then we will talk about cooperation.
Wrong, gurukuli. Since the GBC have deviated from representing Srila Prabhupada's orders, there is no longer a question of cooperating with them. They cooperate with the guru's orders or they get rejected and exposed for the lie they propagate in Srila Prabhupada's name.
This devotee didn't come to fight and argue, gurukuli. He came to pass out information. So, yeah... what are you even talking about?
If you really think you have a case against the IRM, then why don't you present you argument to the IRM? We would all love to see by what, how and when the ritvik system of initiation was to be replaced.
All Glories to Sri Guru & Sri Gauranga! rather than spend time fighting, aruging and critising, dont you think it would be better to follow Sriman Mahaprabhu? ther is no politics there, only Prem, whats going on with you guys is not devotional, its not loving. Sri Radharani ki Jai! Sri Radha Madhav Milatana Vipralambha Gaura Hari ki Jai! Sri Gaudiya Math ki Jai! Nam Sankirtan ki Jai!
I know Dave, that is most unfortunate. Surely the present GBC will have the humility to at least investigate their positions within ISKCON as desired by Prabhupada in the light of so many fall-downs?
In any case it is said a self-effulgent (bone fide) spiritual master is always self-evident to the sincere devotee by a) never falling down and b) the charged atmosphere of bliss surrounding him.
My understanding - as a mere layman - is that Srila Prabhupada is still the guru for ISKCON, the movement he singlehandedly created and that in 1977 he gave authorization to the 11? to initiate on his behalf, not to accept disciples of their own - within ISKCON at least.
I beg your forgiveness if I am mistaken here prabhus. Hare Krishna.
what is this all about?! :^S
g0pi3 2 months ago
RITVIK NOT WELCOMEEEEEEEEEE
i did same thing withj the same guy call Bramananda or something
not life
bull shit ritvik
analiask 1 year ago
@aloysiusish
"....one should not talk nonsense. When speaking in spiritual circles, one's statements must be upheld by the scriptures. One should at once quote from scriptural authority to back up what he is saying."
(Bg 17.15 purport)
HarryK108 1 year ago
I'm asking you to prove YOUR claim.
Maybe YOU should read Lilamrita again, find the quote, then we are in knowledge. However unless you can do that, how does anyone know if what you say is true or not. Are we supposed to blindly believe you? .. Just because YOU say so, eh?
HarryK108 1 year ago
aloysiusish claims " Prabhupada said I have given you everything, I have made the structure and all you have to do is fill it in." Really? When, Where did he say this?
"Unless it is there from me in writing, there are so many things that "Prabhupada said." (Srila Prabhupada Letter, 2/9/75)
"...just like in our ISKCON there are so many false things: "Prabhupada said this, Prabhupada said that." (Srila Prabhupada Letter, 7/11/72)
HarryK108 1 year ago
when i click on this video the obama girl comes up as the related videos!! lol. wtf does harryk108 watch in his spare time. dude watching porn and jerking off is not good for your memory, is that why u forget things like instructions. Haha. Jerk off! Do all of your people watch porn?! haha.
sanj114 1 year ago
She didn't swear at the end, it's inaudible.
harrifer3000 2 years ago
IrM sucks huh!!
ashdasa108 2 years ago
De qualquer forma ... rasgar uma foto de SS.SPrabhupada é DEMONÍACO!
A Iskcon tem uma péssima mania de achar que "ELES" são santos, verdadeiros seguidores de SS.S Prabhupada ... o resto do mundo é demonio, e estão prontos pra irem ao inferno! Ridiculo.
Hare bol ...
mlsplendore 2 years ago
How dare they blaspheme Srila Prabupada, Disregard his instruction and insult parampara. Do they think themselves higher then Prabhupada himself to try to interpret what he so clearly set forth. Conveniant that "Back to Prabhupada" was so innocently described as just a magazine and the Rtvik just another devotee, They know they have no place preaching at ISKCON events.
how can they have a spiritual life when they commit so much Vaisnava aparhada with no remmorse.
ang0588 2 years ago
Detroit Wrath Yatra 2006 was a PUBLIC festival. As such everyone was welcome. If ISKCON don't want people to come to PUBLIC festivals they should make that clear PUBLICLY prior to the event.
The biggest insult to the PARAMPARA was made by ISKCON when they VOTED homosexuals and possibly pedophiles also, into the disciplic succession.
As for offensive behaviour, ISKCON are masters of that also. Ask HH Narayan Maharaja, HH Govinda Maharaja or any other followers of HH Shridar Maharaja.
HarryK108 2 years ago
Do you even know what Vaisnava aparhada is?
chasey108 2 years ago
It's the result following such "gurus". Beating, banning, murder. This "gurus" actually teach people that it is Gods pleasure to kill all people who don't accept them. Praphupada had a true perception of the bona fide pure devotee and spiritual master, which actually is Jesus and none other. Jesus is ONE and ONLY master and not one of many. Prabhupada just acts as placeholder as long as the followers are not able to grasp the truth and to prevent a takeover of demoniac impostor gurus.
Wassagen 2 years ago
ritwik shit !!!!
analiask 3 years ago
Why all the abuse?
chasey108 3 years ago 6
More tolerant then a tree?
chasey108 3 years ago 4
srila acbsp said to srila bnarayan maharaja ,please take care of my disciples they are like monkeys,only know how to figth,just see there he is mr. great gringoguru hh ravindra suarupa maharaja is figthing like the great jambavan or hanuman ,at least he makes me remnber my name also yhs jambavan das a.
juanjosemtzvillela 3 years ago
if srila narayana maharaja says cangurus that is a bleesing,imagine how wonderfull to be a canguru in goloka vrindavan jumping and playing whith nanda kishor.
juanjosemtzvillela 3 years ago
siksa guru and diksa guru are the same ,since sri krishnas times there have been only 32 great acaryas and those who recognise acbssp as the last one are both 50 % rigth and 50% wrong ,srila prabhupad himself would be more proud about us if we were doing service to his older godbrothers ,he formed bakthyvedanta charity trust ,he asked his followers to help his older god brothers specifically he mentioned medicines ,food and clothes everything has to be done through the mercy of older vaisnavas
juanjosemtzvillela 3 years ago
times serve srila prabhupad please we will never pay him what he has done for us ,we all please lets serve srila prabhupada he repeated the same thing in 10 minutes class then ask for questions,nobody ask everything was clear .He understands the power of srila prabhupadas mercy and if a gringoguru says do not see srila prabhupadas spiritual brothers,I spit and leave the place very soon ,remember that srila bakthysiddantha cried his lotus tears over their shoulders ,guru is one and he neverleaves
juanjosemtzvillela 3 years ago
finally they did as etiquete diplomatic mood,then s.puri maharaja sat beside near srila prabhupadas big murty and everyone waiting ,50 or more people sited still in front of the open altar,srila prabhupad and puri maharaja who said after a log breath ¨please do serve srila prabhupada,lets all of us do it ,he started criying,do serve him because we can never pay him what he has done for all of us ,looking at their lordships and his beloved brother acbssp,his voice shoking he said the same three
juanjosemtzvillela 3 years ago
speak ,he saw their lordships sri jaganath bakladev and subhadra,trere he was and older devotee 89m years old ,that one who lives rigth next door gundica temple in sri puri dham,that puri maharaja who is now 97 years old ,the one and only srila prabhupada called him a sincere friend,srila bakthy vaibava puri goswami maharajawho is the personal friend of orissa royal family was rigth there waiting for a place to sit more than 5 or 8 minutes,I went near the temple commander and askforachair please
juanjosemtzvillela 3 years ago
and arrived at mexico coming from viena and croatia,rome etc...in you tube you can see in a class lectured in croatia he can be seen telling everyone how proud and happy he says after here I´m going to a very very far away land really far over the ocean ,just look at how happy he looks in such an spiritual adventure ,when he came to see lord jaganath an the local hare krishna temple,guadalajara temple president was premananda das (hdga)and he was told by the gbc to let them in but dont let him
juanjosemtzvillela 3 years ago
agtsp dear prabhus and matajis accept my respectfull obeisances at your feet ,do anyone of you had seen srila bvpuri goswami´s eyes full of tears when speaking about hdg acbssp ?Ive once at guadalajara temple iskcon established in last 70 ´s,h d grace puri maharaja was flying on his 2002 and second world tour ,he only did three such trips ´so hdg bvpuri gm wanted to see the most temples as possible established by srila prabhupad and his divine followers ,he did this in a mood of pilgrimage sense
juanjosemtzvillela 3 years ago
and this lady calls me ill names because i didnt give her a seat she is rigth is narayan maharaja calls me a canguru I must feel happy,that means he is bleesing me ,i pray so i may be a cangooro in goloka vrindavan playing and jumping whith sri krishna forever yhs jambavan das a.
juanjosemtzvillela 3 years ago
to me the fact ,I have enough,I just need to know that when s. bakthysiddantha left this planet he was among his more dear followers and before he left he called everyone of them and embraced and cried his lotus tears over their shoulders s. sriddhar maharaja did the same on s.govinda maharaja,srila bpkesava maharaja did the same on tirtha and narayana maharajas,acbsp asked us to give food medicines or clothes to his older godbrothers,if I amgoing in a crowded bus and a nice old lady gets mad at
juanjosemtzvillela 3 years ago
dear shawnme08 please accept my respects be carefull do not criticize just try to find the pure devotees and associete with them ,there is hope in such a powerfull association ,like s. narayan maharaja or go with s. puri maharaja and his servants but please do not spoil your heart losing your time tinking about this neofite people ,from tepoztlan mexico all glories to srila prabhupada yhs jambavan das a.
juanjosemtzvillela 3 years ago
Narayan Maharaja is a big, big critic and encourages similar behaviour amongst his followers, as has been seen in this video.
But juanjosemtzvillela prabhu is right when he says they are "neofite people", not even devotees.
HarryK108 3 years ago
Hare Krsna Prabhu, please accept my humble obeisances. you are correct, in this life we have to find out the pure devotees within the contaminated ones and associate with the pure as the knowledge and span of knowledge will increase and remain transcendental, thats all i want to say, hope i never offended anyone in any way
Hari Boll!!
divyeshservantofgod 2 years ago
"Lets get that camera too" ~ He sounds like a rascal!
A plan and simple idiot!!!
No love.
shawnme08 3 years ago 3
That lady that rips the book in half seems to have no love!
I'm only just learning about Hare Krsna, but I'm guessing and in my heart know you should never act out like that!
The lady at the end even talks like she's at high school with a bad mouth! Saying F**king dogs! That so wrong and rude!
I just don't understand. I am confused
When trying to get my head around this, where do I go from here with my faith?
shawnme08 3 years ago 2
That lady that rips the book in half seems to have no love!
I'm only just learning about Hare Krsna, but I'm guess and in my heart know you should never act out like that!
The lady at the end even talks like she's at high school with a bad mouth! Saying F**king dogs! That so wrong and rude!
I just don't understand. I am confused.
shawnme08 3 years ago
dear devotees agtsp agtspurim. in thebegining 80,s srila b.raksak sridhar m. said to the gbc that those who want to be gurus must go out ,preach in behalf their guru maharaja and open their own temples,can someone tell me PLEASE which among the 80 gurus in iskcon had done this?here in mex i there are only two temples,guadalajara and mex city ,and guad is almost whith puri maharaja and vvrs wva the gbc here guru prasad s.hadnt been able to open new temples after20years around mex fakeguru?orwhat
juanjosemtzvillela 3 years ago
after all this years can someone tell me which gurusn are opening and taking care of their own temples, I know bir krishna das goswami in north carolina,he has abeautiful temple built whit his own hands,bir krishna maharaja ki jay... from tepoztlan mexico whithlove for prabhupad yhs jambavan das a.
juanjosemtzvillela 3 years ago
is sad ,the gbc says,we all need a living guru s.prabhupad is with krishna ,we only have his vani ,but they dontobbey s.prabhupadas instruction,HE SAID INITIATE IN MY NAME,but no Iam guru now,you cant have s.p. mercy if Idont give you mine first,that is totally out of sidhanta,nonsense s.p. mercy is infinite,please if you want to be gurudev diksa do open your own temple dont be a thieve thinking you are like prabhupad,just see this crazy lady she is against the final order INITIATEINMYNAME spki
juanjosemtzvillela 3 years ago
name calling yz! thiz iz one of the wayz they mark themselves do not fall for t use of "profanities z z Z iz iz a form of insanity an exorcise in inhumanity" ...
raZrantZ 3 years ago
t language of usurpers generally contains profanities b careful az Prabhupad iz not t only Dasa that haz been poisoned by t deamonz that have rizen to take hiz place ... know prabhupada wz making changez they did not like! roni maY az raZ rantZ chantZ
raZrantZ 3 years ago
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation" Herbert Spencer
bhibatsu 4 years ago
as the so-called Christians have corrupted Lord Jesus Christ's message, so the Gaudiya Math, and then Iskcon. This type of revolution or re-incarnation if you will of the apparent "body" of the preaching body, is normal and has happened before, and will again. But those who are sincere and determined, will march on.
bhibatsu 4 years ago
"Truth always rests with the minority, and the minority is always stronger than the majority, because the minority is generally formed by those who really have an opinion, while the strength of a majority is illusory, formed by the gangs who have no opinion -- and who, therefore, in the next instant (when it is evident that the minority is the stronger) assume its opinion... while truth again reverts to a new minority." Soren Kierkegaard
bhibatsu 4 years ago
let us simply continue preaching the true message and mercy. usurption, compromise, corruption, gradually happens in every pure sampradaya. Truth can stand in the light and withstand debate, but lies cannot and must resort to intimidation and thug tactics. Anyone who wants to see can see, but most are herd animals who simply want to be part of a large and safe group.
bhibatsu 4 years ago
ritviks smell.
amulsutaria 4 years ago
I agree with you DaveGarret, it is so obvious that theses non-ritvik devotees are so mislead, and very rude and ridiculous. Devotees should get along, not fight, how can you tell someone who is a devotee that they are not welcome. we would all be NOWHERE without Srila Prabhupada, its obvious, and look at all the bogus gurus who have made fools of themselves in the past, isnt that enough proof that we ahould be ritvik?
ochieng99 4 years ago
Prabhupada is the current Diksha Guru - initiating spiritual master for Iskcon. Srila Prabhupada lives, and is just as available today as he has always been, to accept us as his disciples and give us his mercy.
The current Guru system in Iskcon is a hoax. Guru hoax has happened earlier too, so let's stop this one now! those disciples who care about srila prabhupada must act upon to expose & stop this one now..
SathuGopa 4 years ago
so-called rtvik debate was 1990 w/ ravinedra. 1980 was the Topanga Canyon so-called confession by TKillerG. The only reason that was held was so that tamal could rattle the sabre and show his partners in crime that if they were serious about puttin' him on ice, then he was prepared to expose the whole guru cheating scam. THAT is the ONLY reason TKG went thru that exercise. When he had achieved his goal, then, naturally, the tapes were recalled (Duh!)
StephenVoith 4 years ago
Steal? What you talking about?
CrAzYGnomex 4 years ago
"One method will take you to hell, the other back to Krishna...lol quite a difference."
So devotees who are sincere - (although in your view misguided) are they going to hell? That seems a bit harsh.
pammydolly 4 years ago
When people say that religion causes wars, I don't think it is so much religion, but rather the people within those religion and their interpretations and arguments. The living proof is in indisputable evidence from this clip and the comments on it.
pammydolly 4 years ago
One side feels that you can only get to god through Prabhupada, and the other believes that other gurus are authorised to do the job. I am sure that there are a lot of sincere devotees on both sides. I really believe that if you are genuinely sincere, it shouldn't matter which method you use.
pammydolly 4 years ago
Protestants will attack catholics for praying to the Virgin Mary, saints etc for intercession to God, and for other beliefs regarding communion, confession etc etc. When you think about it, this argument has some parallels with the argument that some Christians pose - you can only get to God through Jesus himself
pammydolly 4 years ago
I was brought up Catholic and this argument kind of reminds me of a Protestant Catholic bible quoting slagging match. Some (and rememeber, I only say some not all)
pammydolly 4 years ago
Yes, it definitely takes intelligence to generalize an entire movement. Way to go on both sides of the fence. Whatever happened to just glorifying Krsna? Why all this hate? It's not just one party or movement. It's everywhere. Why can't someone just concentrate on positivity for once? All glories to Srila Prabhupada!
ponderousheavy 4 years ago
now thats a bit crazy. I am not familiar with the politics that might be behind the dispute but I am familiar with the concept of tolerance, respect and compassion...something individuals in this video completely lack. Watching this just makes me even more disgusted by organized religion.
bosco786 4 years ago
Gaur Haribol! yes that is a shame, worse that they dont know what kind of aparadha they are doing. how do you think they have become so brave as to behave in such aggresive maner? what is it the IRM are trying to do?
shubz1 5 years ago
this video is full of anger, people in dhoti and sarees imatating Devotees but you can see how contaminated ther hearts are by ther actions. "akrodha paramananda nityananda raya" the noble Nityananda Prabhu is never angry. Gurudev Srila BV Narayan Maharaj says to follow in Nityananda's lotus footsteps, do u agree?
shubz1 5 years ago
"trnad api sunicena taror api sahisnuna amanina manadena kirtaniyah sada harih" One can chant the holy name of the Lord in a humble state of mind, thinking himself lower than a blade of straw. One should b more tolerant than a tree, devoid of all sense of false prestige&ready 2 offer all respects 2 others. ln such a state of mind one can chant the holy name of the Lord constantly." there is no respect or humility in the video.
shubz1 5 years ago
im not familia with IRM or Ravindra svarupa, watchin the video you can see the lady tearin the magazine & people shouting abuse are making aparadha.
shubz1 5 years ago
ye vaisnava-sthane aparadha haya yara
puna se ksamile a paradha ghuce tara
If one offends a Vaisnava, the only way to get free from the offense is to go back that Vaisnava and beg his forgiveness. (C.Bhag. Madhya 22.32) come on guys : ) Jai Radhe!!!
shubz1 5 years ago
Took you a while to figure this one out. Did you have help with this as well? Is this the best you can do?
subjipadu 5 years ago
gurukuli : "Here's where the dummy part comes in subji, I said kkdesai isn't ONE of them, but you (not so) cleverly turn my sentence around and say he doesn't qualify as "a few". Well I said ONE dumbass, not A FEW! You rits haven't got a quarter of a brain between the bunch of you!"
subjipadu 5 years ago
and this was your complete quote gurukuli : "Srila Prabhupada himself said if he had just a few disciples who were Krishna conscious he could change the whole world in seventeen days? Guess kkdesai doesn't qualify to be one of them"Maybe he does qualify, but where are the rest?
subjipadu 5 years ago
He by himself did not change the world,so he does not qualify as a few.
AGTSP
SPD
subjipadu 5 years ago
"Srila Prabhupada himself said if he had just a few disciples who were Krishna conscious he could change the whole world in seventeen days? Guess kkdesai doesn't qualify to be one of them" Yes I guess he doesn't qualify as a few
subjipadu 5 years ago
Yes. The conversation is over, gurukuli. Because you're certainly wasting your time here with nothing of any value to say.
amjiva 5 years ago
Gurukuli, you resort to attacking Krishnakant because you haven't any legitimate arguments. IRM supporters are such because of the facts concerning what Srila Prabhupada authorized, not simply because Krishnakant says so. If you want to challenge the points the IRM makes, then please do so.
amjiva 5 years ago
Since the GBC have deviated from Srila Prabhupada's orders, it must logically be concluded that in order to follow Srila Prabhupada's orders one would have to not cooperate with the GBC. Now, if the GBC decides to return to Prabhupada as the sole diksa guru of ISKCON, then we will talk about cooperation.
amjiva 5 years ago
"Who cares, as long as KKD authorises it? KKD ki jai!"
Now try actually addressing the arguments. Thanks.
amjiva 5 years ago
Wrong, gurukuli. Since the GBC have deviated from representing Srila Prabhupada's orders, there is no longer a question of cooperating with them. They cooperate with the guru's orders or they get rejected and exposed for the lie they propagate in Srila Prabhupada's name.
amjiva 5 years ago
ignoring what the current guru states and trying to argue on the basis of past acharyas, I see. Try again.
amjiva 5 years ago
the word, "forever" is not required. The status quo remains until a change is authorized. Simple logic.
amjiva 5 years ago
This devotee didn't come to fight and argue, gurukuli. He came to pass out information. So, yeah... what are you even talking about?
If you really think you have a case against the IRM, then why don't you present you argument to the IRM? We would all love to see by what, how and when the ritvik system of initiation was to be replaced.
amjiva 5 years ago
Hari, Hari
subjipadu 5 years ago
All Glories to Sri Guru & Sri Gauranga! rather than spend time fighting, aruging and critising, dont you think it would be better to follow Sriman Mahaprabhu? ther is no politics there, only Prem, whats going on with you guys is not devotional, its not loving. Sri Radharani ki Jai! Sri Radha Madhav Milatana Vipralambha Gaura Hari ki Jai! Sri Gaudiya Math ki Jai! Nam Sankirtan ki Jai!
shubz1 5 years ago
I know Dave, that is most unfortunate. Surely the present GBC will have the humility to at least investigate their positions within ISKCON as desired by Prabhupada in the light of so many fall-downs?
In any case it is said a self-effulgent (bone fide) spiritual master is always self-evident to the sincere devotee by a) never falling down and b) the charged atmosphere of bliss surrounding him.
michaelstmark 5 years ago
My understanding - as a mere layman - is that Srila Prabhupada is still the guru for ISKCON, the movement he singlehandedly created and that in 1977 he gave authorization to the 11? to initiate on his behalf, not to accept disciples of their own - within ISKCON at least.
I beg your forgiveness if I am mistaken here prabhus. Hare Krishna.
michaelstmark 5 years ago