I have no problem with Westerners going to these preserves and spending big dough to help the needy folks as long as the shooting is done with a camera, and not a gun.
I'm curious what you consider to be so exciting or manly about shooting an elephant? Is it to see the blood gush out of them when the lead rips into them? Is it to hear them cry as they're dying? Is it because it proves that you belong to a supposedly superior species? Explain.
How many elephants in the world compared to humans?
I used to like this guy until one day he had a lady on whom he was friends with and she exclaimed, "I gotta shoot me an elephant!"
Gresham thought it was just wonderful that this woman was going to go out and blast some poor elephant(s) that have no way of hiding or protecting themselves!
@guyNbluejeans You have obviously never seen elephants in the wild. I was in South Africa and watched an elephant disappear with just 3 steps into the woods on the preserve. I could not believe something that big could disappear that easily. I was out-spotting the guide when we were looking for animals and I still could no longer track it once it took those three steps.
@keep Pathetic. So because some large, sensitive, lumbering, intelligent animals likely saw their own kind being blown away by jackasses like this host managed to quietly sneak into a little cover, you were so impressed that you thought, "Gee, such clever creatures need to be destroyed for "sport" so that I can boast what a big, brilliant and brave man I am!"
What crap! You and this heartless asshole gresham should get a taste of your own fucking medicine, maybe then you'd discover what hell..!
@guyNbluejeans I was on a non-hunting preserve. The creature in question never saw another elephant getting "blown away'. There is an economic question: how can impoverished countries preserve animals that eat 110 pounds of vegetation a day? They allow those that own the land to manage the animals. It quickly becomes possible to preserve if some hunting is allowed [at high cost]. If she want to hunt one, let her pay the price & keep others alive.
@masterkeep You don't know what an animal's history is. If it seemed frightened it probably had good reason to be.
It's something how you make it sound like it's because you have such deep compassion for impoverished people. Have any of you "caring" geniuses considered that maybe it's time to have a frank discussion with folks that can't connect the dots of having too many babies to not having enough to eat?
@guyNbluejeans The reserve I was on does in fact know the history of their animals & that one had been on the reserve its entire life so it had never seen another elephant shot. The time on the reserve was actually a short break while in South Africa for benevolence work. Your comment shows you know nothing of Africa and the situation there.
@masterkeep Your comments show you have no heart or commonsense. To my point about Africans starving due to lack of regard for not using birth control you conveniently ignored. Instead of getting your thrills to "harvest" elephants so you can make ash trays out of their feet, why don't you and the tom greshams of the world launch a campaign imploring those folks to use birth control and explain to them in clear terms how their overall standard of living will go up..?
@guyNbluejeans You have no understanding of anthropology if you think that you can go into Africa and tell them anything that they haven't already been told about that. The problem is one of culture: they follow animism. They feel they owe more to the ancestors than to anyone from outside of the tribe. Authority makes the decisions regardless of the facts. It takes a change of culture [possible but difficult and ethically questionable] to make the change you suggest.
@masterkeep I have more faith in those African folks than you have in them, clearly.
My thinking is that the greshams of the world get a sick delight in shooting those poor animals (the way pervs love going to Thailand 4 kids), and the evidence of this is that one never hears of his type growing a conscience by putting the guns down and trying to work with those folks so that they can have a decent life while not making excuses to sadistically harm the elephants the way they do for "sport."
@guyNbluejeans I have not shot an elephant [I'm not rich] but I leave it to the people to manage their "game." It has lead to a resurgence of the population in South Africa because it is to their benefit. Many limit it to just photo, but in so doing they have to remove an animal regularly so as to not overpopulate their areas. Having worked in Africa with someone there for over 35 years trying to "teach" I am well aware of what works and doesn't. Acting superior as you suggest fails.
@guyNbluejeans You seem to know what needs changed over there without ever being there. You show in that disregard for their entire world view and so anything you say would be ignored over there. We were showing them how to do things that they could do to provide for themselves & not trying to change their entire world view, we showed that we cared.
@guyNbluejeans I apologize for the multiple messages, there was a problem with the computer's connection. I am regularly frustrated by people that use the same non-sense about why the poor are poor. There are many problems throughout the world that don't match the stereotypical response such as the one you gave. Don't take the word of those who haven't been there, many media outlets are simply reporting as they are told to "politically correctly" say it.
@guyNbluejeans Common sense? You tell people that they have to conserve an animal that will wipe out their entire crop w/o giving them a financial gain and you impoverish the few working farms. Allow them to manage the animals [i.e. control hunting or photo safaris] and make money from it, then they and their community benefits. One elephant will feed a village for a month [where legally harvested after preserving]. It behooves the farmer to maintain their well being. Policy in South Africa.
I have no problem with Westerners going to these preserves and spending big dough to help the needy folks as long as the shooting is done with a camera, and not a gun.
I'm curious what you consider to be so exciting or manly about shooting an elephant? Is it to see the blood gush out of them when the lead rips into them? Is it to hear them cry as they're dying? Is it because it proves that you belong to a supposedly superior species? Explain.
How many elephants in the world compared to humans?
guyNbluejeans 1 year ago
I used to like this guy until one day he had a lady on whom he was friends with and she exclaimed, "I gotta shoot me an elephant!"
Gresham thought it was just wonderful that this woman was going to go out and blast some poor elephant(s) that have no way of hiding or protecting themselves!
It's sick that people like this are around.
guyNbluejeans 1 year ago
@guyNbluejeans You have obviously never seen elephants in the wild. I was in South Africa and watched an elephant disappear with just 3 steps into the woods on the preserve. I could not believe something that big could disappear that easily. I was out-spotting the guide when we were looking for animals and I still could no longer track it once it took those three steps.
masterkeep 1 year ago
@keep Pathetic. So because some large, sensitive, lumbering, intelligent animals likely saw their own kind being blown away by jackasses like this host managed to quietly sneak into a little cover, you were so impressed that you thought, "Gee, such clever creatures need to be destroyed for "sport" so that I can boast what a big, brilliant and brave man I am!"
What crap! You and this heartless asshole gresham should get a taste of your own fucking medicine, maybe then you'd discover what hell..!
guyNbluejeans 1 year ago
@guyNbluejeans I was on a non-hunting preserve. The creature in question never saw another elephant getting "blown away'. There is an economic question: how can impoverished countries preserve animals that eat 110 pounds of vegetation a day? They allow those that own the land to manage the animals. It quickly becomes possible to preserve if some hunting is allowed [at high cost]. If she want to hunt one, let her pay the price & keep others alive.
masterkeep 1 year ago
@masterkeep You don't know what an animal's history is. If it seemed frightened it probably had good reason to be.
It's something how you make it sound like it's because you have such deep compassion for impoverished people. Have any of you "caring" geniuses considered that maybe it's time to have a frank discussion with folks that can't connect the dots of having too many babies to not having enough to eat?
guyNbluejeans 1 year ago
@guyNbluejeans The reserve I was on does in fact know the history of their animals & that one had been on the reserve its entire life so it had never seen another elephant shot. The time on the reserve was actually a short break while in South Africa for benevolence work. Your comment shows you know nothing of Africa and the situation there.
masterkeep 1 year ago
@masterkeep Your comments show you have no heart or commonsense. To my point about Africans starving due to lack of regard for not using birth control you conveniently ignored. Instead of getting your thrills to "harvest" elephants so you can make ash trays out of their feet, why don't you and the tom greshams of the world launch a campaign imploring those folks to use birth control and explain to them in clear terms how their overall standard of living will go up..?
Leave the elephants alone!
guyNbluejeans 1 year ago
@guyNbluejeans You have no understanding of anthropology if you think that you can go into Africa and tell them anything that they haven't already been told about that. The problem is one of culture: they follow animism. They feel they owe more to the ancestors than to anyone from outside of the tribe. Authority makes the decisions regardless of the facts. It takes a change of culture [possible but difficult and ethically questionable] to make the change you suggest.
masterkeep 1 year ago
@masterkeep I have more faith in those African folks than you have in them, clearly.
My thinking is that the greshams of the world get a sick delight in shooting those poor animals (the way pervs love going to Thailand 4 kids), and the evidence of this is that one never hears of his type growing a conscience by putting the guns down and trying to work with those folks so that they can have a decent life while not making excuses to sadistically harm the elephants the way they do for "sport."
guyNbluejeans 1 year ago
@guyNbluejeans I have not shot an elephant [I'm not rich] but I leave it to the people to manage their "game." It has lead to a resurgence of the population in South Africa because it is to their benefit. Many limit it to just photo, but in so doing they have to remove an animal regularly so as to not overpopulate their areas. Having worked in Africa with someone there for over 35 years trying to "teach" I am well aware of what works and doesn't. Acting superior as you suggest fails.
masterkeep 1 year ago
@masterkeep Strange how you say that you were over there trying to teach ... and then saying that I suggested something about "acting superior."
Have a nice day.
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masterkeep 1 year ago
@guyNbluejeans You seem to know what needs changed over there without ever being there. You show in that disregard for their entire world view and so anything you say would be ignored over there. We were showing them how to do things that they could do to provide for themselves & not trying to change their entire world view, we showed that we cared.
masterkeep 1 year ago
@guyNbluejeans I apologize for the multiple messages, there was a problem with the computer's connection. I am regularly frustrated by people that use the same non-sense about why the poor are poor. There are many problems throughout the world that don't match the stereotypical response such as the one you gave. Don't take the word of those who haven't been there, many media outlets are simply reporting as they are told to "politically correctly" say it.
masterkeep 1 year ago
@guyNbluejeans Common sense? You tell people that they have to conserve an animal that will wipe out their entire crop w/o giving them a financial gain and you impoverish the few working farms. Allow them to manage the animals [i.e. control hunting or photo safaris] and make money from it, then they and their community benefits. One elephant will feed a village for a month [where legally harvested after preserving]. It behooves the farmer to maintain their well being. Policy in South Africa.
masterkeep 1 year ago
Jimmah Carta - worst prezident evah!
So far...
spacemanspiff2012 2 years ago
Obama takes the cake and his first year isn't up yet.
AgentFour 2 years ago
jimmy carter is a moron. he has secret service with assault rifles to protect his two faced ass. he wants everyone else unprotected
rednxrule 2 years ago