@Kremerneon Solder is defined as 'Something that joins or cements' and the verb is defined as 'To join or unite'. So the description of this video and product is perfectly accurate. You're correct that JFC is not solder in the old fashioned sense however it is also not a glue. It is a chemical weld.
I'm curious if this would be usable for seaming a half circle copper gutter overlap that is normally soldered, providing the surfaces are clamped together & fit snugly?
Would copper be good as a plumbing material for humans to drink of? What material could be better besides stainless steel? Old pipes were lead, now many are iron and and some stainless steel so that's why i'm asking, in some places there are some copper water installations too but it's pretty rare.
@mickswis1 Nice, but copper starts to oxidate and i guess that as the time passes it would be a bit normal to ingest quite a lot of copper wouldn't it? I mean it would be good for antimicrobial properties but if it gives you after years of drinking from copper tubes some kind of heavy metal poisoning it won't be good. Do you know if this happens or usually copper poisoning happens by other reasons?
@WXIIIR Here in the UK copper has been approved and used for many decades in potable water systems and absolutely nobody has ever suffered any kind of poisoning.
@WXIIIR Rare? Nope, there is copper in houses all over the world. As long as the plumber used lead-free solder then there is zero danger. Copper tubing has been used for the last 3000 years with no harm to humans. Stainless steel is not completely stainless, it will pick up stains and nastiness and breed germs. Unless it is food-grade quality, like they use in beverage manufacturing, if that is the case it will cost you an arm and leg.
Extremely interesting video and product. I am responsible for teaching plumbing in a college and I will be looking into this product in more detail. Many thanks for posting.
@UberJason Just read an article from the UK Copper Board that copper cages are now used in aquaculture to inhibit common fish farming problems such as biofouling, parasites and pathogens. Plus the copper helps maintain higher oxygen levels for healthier fish. The copper alloy resists corrosion for up to 5 years in saltwater compared to just a few months for other materials. So I'm sure our goldfish will be fine in his tank.
I've used a similar product with both good and unsatisfactory results. I'll certainly also give yours a try. How long is it necessary to wait before pressure is applied and in the event that there is residual moisture in a pipe that has been in service does it need to be completely dry to use your product? Thanks for a well made video.
@dkshooter7mm08 You can pressure test the join in just 7 minutes after making the connection. JFC is not affected by moisture and you can safely make a join if there is moisture in or around the pipe. It is the action of heating with a blow torch that causes moisture to convert to steam and this interferes with the flux required for soldered fittings. As there is no heat required with JFC you will never have this problem.
@FrustratedBaboon JFC is not an epoxy, it's an anearobic compound from the same chemical family as thread lockers. It has passed vibration testing to simulate underfloor conditions but I wouldb't recommend hitting a join with a sledgehammer.
@trulsnordtvedt Most fish are suitable although some of the larger fish are difficult to get into confined spaces. We also tend to avoid sharks as the sharkbites can be a bit painful.
Anyone who comments about the fish being harmed or possibly being harmed REALLY needs a swift reality kick in the ass! Grow up already and back off of the socialist animal worshiping peace pipe for a few minutes eh?
what if you are backed in a crawlspace like the fucking grinch stuck in the chimney sweating up a 10 way yuppie 20 shower head mixing valve and you can't twist the freaking pipe for this magical pipe snot....
@7777dmith7777 It's really simple! Just spread the product manually around the circumference of the pipe and fitting before bringing them together. This has the same result as twisting the pipe or fitting.
@Khvac You can hardly ever braze on the spot for fire safety reasons. This sure would be nice product to use. Would save the time and trouble carrying long pipes in and out and then trying to fit them. Fittings are expensive.
title seems miss leading, this is just a glue joint and not actually soldered if i am not mistaken?. niche product , of little use to a trades man with the advent of plastic piping.
if you want exposed pipe to look nice you'd use chrome/brass with compression fittings?, i know i would.
@hucksterized It's not a glue. JFC chemically bonds the two copper surfaces unlike a simple adhesive. Compression fittings are 10 times the price of using end feed with JFC and they look cumbersome and unsightly.
No animals were harmed in the making of this film:
To all you hunters and fishermen who kill animals for food, SHAME ON YOU !!!! you ought to go to the store and buy the meat that was made there, where no animals were harmed !!
This stuff did not work for me the first time I tried...then I read the package. Do not clean away grit from sanding, sand with 60 grit paper and VOILA! it works!! Taking the pressure of my main water line without any leaks. Best stuff for working tight on joists or posts.
This stuff is great. I used it on outside water faucets. I soldered some and JFC on others. I love this stuff.No need for flux,solder or torch to carry around.I have not seen it used in commercial applications but it's great for the home owner.No leaks yet and I did the work 3 years ago.
@mickswis1 I like the idea and would try it in the right circumstance but copper is not good to use with gas. Natural Gas will eat a hole is copper piping.
@ldhobbs There is some discussion about copper and gas but the general consensus is that presently copper and natural gas are fine together. A quick browse of some trade and manufacturer websites will back this up. If in doubt contact your national copper authority for more advice.
@mickswis1 What happens in a fire? Pipe gets hot melts jfc and gas leaks out. Braze with silver solder is the only way to join copper tube for gas....or flare fittings.
@cassampj In the UK gas fittings must withstand 800C to avoid leaking in a fire. It is therefore necessary to use compression fittings in a situation where there is a fire risk.
do you think this product would work when making a copper collar(habaki) for a japanese blade?usually i solder the seam,but this would make life alot easier.does the product dry hard?
Thanks for this reply. Man, when trying to repair a reversing valve that would be good. Not to mention all the tight places in A/C work and repair. Thanks again.
@thetalkingelement Maybe you should get rid of your computer just in case things get too eay for you. While you're at it get rid of your car, your fridge, your TV .... Why not organise an angry mob to come and smash up our mechanical looms.
@mickswis1 haha your weird.... lets just say i wouldnt tube out my house using glue to join "copper" together. and only an englishman would come up with that.... the as3500 would agree with me.....
@mickswis1 I'm not knocking it, mate. I'm sure it's a darn sight more reliable than Speedfit or Hep. Can you tell me how much heat is required to release a JFC joint? Would I need to put a torch on it for long?
@08hamster I was in a funny mood this morning. You will need a torch to undo a JFC join. Max operating temperature for JFC is 118C but you need to go above 200C to get the bonds to break and then you can work the join apart.
@mickswis1 Yeah, I was being flippant with my first comment. Some of us can be right Luddites when it comes to new products. I will definitely give this stuff a go. I do a lot of work in environments where there are vulnerable people whose behaviour can be unpredictable, and having a torch roaring away can be quite a liability as well as a distraction. Where's the best place to get it in the UK?
@mickswis1 what pressure can you pump this dodgy join up to before it goes kaboom and what happens when you join 20 joins and bump or nudge the join before testing and it leaks, how does it go with water on join before its glued?? frankly i wouldnt trust it to glue a stamp to envelope...people you wanna do quick fix without paying for plumber, get a compression coupling to size from your hardware it's way more trust worthy just two shifters no cleaning and glueing needed..
@thetalkingelement It will happily take 2000psi. You would have to apply a very large load to cause a finished join to leak. Water does not affect the performance of JFC (unlike solder/flux joins). Don't use JFC for a stamp, it is NOT a glue. Compression fittings are bulky, ugly and cost many times more than a JFC join, plus if you don't fit them properly guess what, they leak.
This is the reason why us plumbers get paid so much. Cause do it your selfers will try this and end up flooding out there house and call us to come fix their disasters.
@daverfromthehammer If plumbers didn't charge so much then maybe there wouldn't be a need for innovative products like JFC that this job safer and easier.
@daverfromthehammer many plumbers not worth a shit, problem is there too damn slow, and cant visualize joints, angles , etc, i am a DIY my stuff never leaked, fired the plumber halfway the rough in
Most epoxies and or glue systems degrade with time and lose some bonding power. What about this solderless system, will all my joints come lose 10 years down the line?
@Robkat3751 First of all JFC is not an epoxy or a glue. It is a chemical weld specifically for use with copper or brass. Second, a join made with JFC is as reliable as a hot soldered joint.
@mickswis1 This is by far NOT a "weld" which means melting 2 pieces of material and using a filler metal. Even Soldering or brazing isn't a weld since your only melting the filler. As a plumber i hope this doesn't become the norm because a repair or addition of a fixture on this type of joint would require cutting the WHOLE fitting out so that i can make my Sweat connection. Since you cannot unsweat a glue joint nor solder any where near it.
@SniperSpade To weld: "to unite or fuse (as pieces of metal) by hammering, compressing, or the like, especially after rendering soft or pasty by heat, and sometimes with the addition of fusible material like or unlike the pieces to be united. " A JFC connection can be undone by applying heat which acts to break the chemical bonds between the welded surfaces. JFC is a product for modern professionals and DIYers looking for a safer and more efficient way to effectively join copper pipe.
@SniperSpade good point with the whole cant weld and or "braise,solder" near glued join, then so two years down track another plumber comes and braises next to glued joint not knowing that its glued and it comes apart its then therefore more work for plumber to braise together again which costs "more" money for customer.. i h8 new products over here in aus its plastic pipe crimp joins thats all just taking the skill outta the trade. i think iv made my point on this product
nice one, where can i buy it from, its a quick way to fix the job, i agree soldered or compression, but as my gopher dont always replace fittings on the van, it might get me out a scrape
@joeavfc93 Most plumbers do have a fire resistant mat but what happens when regulations prohibit you from using heat/flame? In this situation JFC is the simplest and most cost effective solution.
Just what i've ben looking for . i got some pipes that there is NO way i could use a flame on, As soon as i post this i'am going to search for a site to order some, thanks for sharing this info... Take care,Rob
That would be a very useful bit of kit for repairs where I work. If we need to make a rapid repair to an installation then half the time taken is in getting a hot-work permit signed off so we could have a naked flame on the shop floor. This would allow us to get the job done in no time.
@mountnman3609 aside from boiler apps, copper a waste of time in residential, prices are crazy, hey people steal heat pumps just for copper,!! not CPVC, or PVC
If I burned the surrounding timber work like that, my boss would have my bollocks off! As has been said: Heat control (Its really not that hard to solder!), and keep a few burn mats in your toolbox. And carry some compression fittings. Ok, I can see this product being good for DIY'ers, but for any half decent plumber, it may be a solution to a problem which doesn't really exist. I've had many situations where soldering is not an option, and in the tightest spots, but I can overcome it.
@gullivera MAYBE you could get a joint in a tight spot like this without burning the surrounding area. BUT if one doesn't have fire blanket material handy, this would save time. As far as compression fittings, IF your in an area that MIGHT be somewhat difficult to move wrenches, this stuff might also be a time saver. And if your in a tough area for wrenches, handling a torch is going to be hard also.
@gullivera I've had many situations where soldering is not an option, and in the tightest spots, but I can overcome it.
Yeah, but you could have overcome the problems MUCH easier with this chemical. It seems to be perfect to me. Assuming that it has a long life. Much easier than a torch, cleaner, flux brush, solder, lighter, carrying case....just put the chemical bottle in your shirt pocket, and you're set. I've seen this stuff for a long time, never used it. but, I might.
i dont know why people are hating on this. before soldering we were threading our pipes, and melting lead and pouring it in our fittings on our drain lines. then we started welding, and then all the welders were againts groove rolling pipes. i remember people not wanting to put copper in because they thought it was too soft, and wasnt going to last. now look it. soldering is just basically HOT glueing copper together. everything changes in pipes. solder welding, groove, glue who cares
Hmm... I don't know man still having to prep the the pipe and fittings and you can't prefab a section before application. I like not having to use flux and come home with green hands, but what about demo? will scrap metal companies still accept the pieces with glue? would it be considered type 2 copper?
@EdwardMarshall1982 Any JFC residue on scrap pipe is no more harmful than normal flux/solder residue so will not cause any problems when recycling pipe.
@67tr876 JFC is not a glue but actually a chemical weld. It works specifically with copper or copper alloy and will not stick or glue any other materials.
@MultiPureEnergy PVC glue is a solvent which literally melts the PVC surfaces causing them to fuse together. A PVC solvent join cannot be undone. JFC is not a solvent and it actually creates chemical bonds which hold the two surfaces of the pipe and fitting together. As with a traditional soldered join JFC can be undone with heat if required so there is no need to cut out sections as would be necessary with PVC. Unlike solvents, JFC is non hazardous.
@schlusselmensch Of course lead solder is now banned in the UK, at least on potable water systems, whereas JFC is approved by WRAS for use with potable water.
@mickswis1 Yeah, I know. Depending on the water source, we are seeing lead free solder joints in heat exchangers and the like starting to leak after as little as 8 years.
I'll take the lead please. There are graver hazards I can fret about.
There are so many practicle methods, products and techniques in the European Union, I do not know why here in the US they think we have the best and most advance shit, is all about we are better and we do not want to accept and learn from others, by the way NASA and the US Government always uses people from Germany and other advance countries and we love to take the credit for new inventions made in here and in reality are from other cultures.
cool idea, but i think everybody is still disgruntled over PEX here in the states. im sure every pipe fitter / plumber here would have a fit if they saw this video!
also, about the 50 year life expectancy of this stuff. it's hard to guarantee such a statement, even in accelerated life tests.
New plumbing techniques are always scoffed at here in the U.S.
Two simple reasons-
#1 It's not how jonny the plumber/pipefitters dad showed him how to do it.
#2 New products, especially liquid chemical products, are looked at with caution. Are there any harmful chemicals in this "just for copper" product? Will any of its ingredients leach into the water? What's the life expectancy of the product?
@leaddrop That's very true. Adopting new products/techniques is a challenge and their will always be resistance from the traditional user. JFC is completely safe with water and is approved safe for use with potable water systems. A join made with JFC will last at least 50 years.
@mickswis1 this must be for the at home do it yourself guy ? most apprentice and surely any journey/master can sweat this blind folded . whats the price for this product again ?
@pipewrenchninja JFC is so easy to use that it is ideal for the DIY user. However, because it uses no heat it also perfect for the professional user when heat/flame is not an option.
all i got say is HEAT control! he burnt all 3 sides of the wood! I tell you, New Jersey and NY plumbers are the best and will always be, because we do it right and by code. And i will never use this Just for copper bit, soldering in 100Xs better.
@cjfly7 The video is designed to demonstrate a point and of course many plumbers would not burn the surrounding area. However, what do you do if you are not allowed to use heat e.g. fire risk building, public safety etc? That's where JFC really comes in useful.
That isn't solder, that is glue. It may form a perfectly fine bond but the title 'How To Solder Copper Pipe Without Flame' is not right.
Kremerneon 1 week ago
@Kremerneon Solder is defined as 'Something that joins or cements' and the verb is defined as 'To join or unite'. So the description of this video and product is perfectly accurate. You're correct that JFC is not solder in the old fashioned sense however it is also not a glue. It is a chemical weld.
mickswis1 6 days ago
I'm curious if this would be usable for seaming a half circle copper gutter overlap that is normally soldered, providing the surfaces are clamped together & fit snugly?
tbone45040 1 month ago
@tbone45040 JFC would not be suitable for this application.
mickswis1 1 month ago
nice
MENOK11 1 month ago
Would copper be good as a plumbing material for humans to drink of? What material could be better besides stainless steel? Old pipes were lead, now many are iron and and some stainless steel so that's why i'm asking, in some places there are some copper water installations too but it's pretty rare.
WXIIIR 1 month ago
@WXIIIR Copper is an excellent material for potable (drinking) water systems.
mickswis1 1 month ago
@mickswis1 Thanks. Do you know if it has some benefit compared to stainless?
WXIIIR 1 month ago
@WXIIIR Copper is known to have antimicrobial properties which is not the case with stainless steel.
mickswis1 1 month ago
@mickswis1 Nice, but copper starts to oxidate and i guess that as the time passes it would be a bit normal to ingest quite a lot of copper wouldn't it? I mean it would be good for antimicrobial properties but if it gives you after years of drinking from copper tubes some kind of heavy metal poisoning it won't be good. Do you know if this happens or usually copper poisoning happens by other reasons?
WXIIIR 1 month ago
@WXIIIR Here in the UK copper has been approved and used for many decades in potable water systems and absolutely nobody has ever suffered any kind of poisoning.
mickswis1 1 month ago
@mickswis1 That's all i wanted to know. Thank you very much for your answers, you've been very useful.
WXIIIR 1 month ago
@WXIIIR Rare? Nope, there is copper in houses all over the world. As long as the plumber used lead-free solder then there is zero danger. Copper tubing has been used for the last 3000 years with no harm to humans. Stainless steel is not completely stainless, it will pick up stains and nastiness and breed germs. Unless it is food-grade quality, like they use in beverage manufacturing, if that is the case it will cost you an arm and leg.
dimesach 1 month ago
Aww, I though this was another induction heating video.
TheLightningStalker 1 month ago
I don't like it.
dancingrizz 2 months ago
As one who has NEVER learnt to solder properly-but I have made many attempts!-this comes as a revelation.I will definitely try this out.
Squarerig 2 months ago
Extremely interesting video and product. I am responsible for teaching plumbing in a college and I will be looking into this product in more detail. Many thanks for posting.
oc2phish07 2 months ago
copper and water? want to die?
UberJason 2 months ago
@UberJason I don't understand. Are you suggesting copper is not safe for use as water carrying pipework? Please explain.
mickswis1 2 months ago
@UberJason WTF???
gstylez0107 2 months ago
@UberJason Just read an article from the UK Copper Board that copper cages are now used in aquaculture to inhibit common fish farming problems such as biofouling, parasites and pathogens. Plus the copper helps maintain higher oxygen levels for healthier fish. The copper alloy resists corrosion for up to 5 years in saltwater compared to just a few months for other materials. So I'm sure our goldfish will be fine in his tank.
mickswis1 2 months ago
if it doesn't work blame on the goldfish :D
iuno777 2 months ago
I've used a similar product with both good and unsatisfactory results. I'll certainly also give yours a try. How long is it necessary to wait before pressure is applied and in the event that there is residual moisture in a pipe that has been in service does it need to be completely dry to use your product? Thanks for a well made video.
dkshooter7mm08 2 months ago
@dkshooter7mm08 You can pressure test the join in just 7 minutes after making the connection. JFC is not affected by moisture and you can safely make a join if there is moisture in or around the pipe. It is the action of heating with a blow torch that causes moisture to convert to steam and this interferes with the flux required for soldered fittings. As there is no heat required with JFC you will never have this problem.
mickswis1 2 months ago
I wonder how this product withstands pipe knocking and vibrations ? Will crack under preassure since its like epoxy.
FrustratedBaboon 3 months ago
@FrustratedBaboon JFC is not an epoxy, it's an anearobic compound from the same chemical family as thread lockers. It has passed vibration testing to simulate underfloor conditions but I wouldb't recommend hitting a join with a sledgehammer.
mickswis1 2 months ago
will this work with bass or do you need goldfish to make the glue work?
trulsnordtvedt 3 months ago 3
@trulsnordtvedt Most fish are suitable although some of the larger fish are difficult to get into confined spaces. We also tend to avoid sharks as the sharkbites can be a bit painful.
mickswis1 3 months ago
one word mappress
engineer21261 3 months ago
@engineer21261 Another word: expensive
mickswis1 3 months ago
Anyone who comments about the fish being harmed or possibly being harmed REALLY needs a swift reality kick in the ass! Grow up already and back off of the socialist animal worshiping peace pipe for a few minutes eh?
CainPire 3 months ago
This is a really nice product!
OpkankerAQ 4 months ago
@OpkankerAQ Thanks.
mickswis1 3 months ago
what if you are backed in a crawlspace like the fucking grinch stuck in the chimney sweating up a 10 way yuppie 20 shower head mixing valve and you can't twist the freaking pipe for this magical pipe snot....
7777dmith7777 4 months ago 2
@7777dmith7777 It's really simple! Just spread the product manually around the circumference of the pipe and fitting before bringing them together. This has the same result as twisting the pipe or fitting.
mickswis1 3 months ago
If u cant solder u probally should not be doing plumbing work.
Khvac 5 months ago 17
@Khvac If you can't spell you probably shouldn't be posting on here.
mickswis1 4 months ago 28
@mickswis1 SNAP! lol
shaolinwisdom 4 months ago
@Khvac You can hardly ever braze on the spot for fire safety reasons. This sure would be nice product to use. Would save the time and trouble carrying long pipes in and out and then trying to fit them. Fittings are expensive.
LancerFIN 4 months ago
@Khvac Maybe someone doesn't have a soldering iron? Or is out of solder and can't get any for a while? Use your brain.
ddog4z 2 months ago
title seems miss leading, this is just a glue joint and not actually soldered if i am not mistaken?. niche product , of little use to a trades man with the advent of plastic piping.
if you want exposed pipe to look nice you'd use chrome/brass with compression fittings?, i know i would.
hucksterized 5 months ago
@hucksterized It's not a glue. JFC chemically bonds the two copper surfaces unlike a simple adhesive. Compression fittings are 10 times the price of using end feed with JFC and they look cumbersome and unsightly.
mickswis1 4 months ago
is there a specific clearance that has to be between the two copper pieces or do you just clean glue twist and let it set?
Robkat3751 5 months ago
@Robkat3751 0.25mm is the max clearance. JFC will not plug larger gaps.
mickswis1 4 months ago
Will this work on brass?
KesoXorganoff 5 months ago
@KesoXorganoff Yes.
mickswis1 5 months ago
Copper is deathly toxic to fish you idiots.
kayakatl1 6 months ago 3
@kayakatl1 No animals were harmed in the making of this film.
mickswis1 5 months ago
@mickswis1
No animals were harmed in the making of this film:
To all you hunters and fishermen who kill animals for food, SHAME ON YOU !!!! you ought to go to the store and buy the meat that was made there, where no animals were harmed !!
OK55OK55OK 3 months ago
@kayakatl1 HEY! They're trying to sell the glue, not the fish! :-)
CainPire 5 months ago
Id like to see how you were able to rotate the T fitting 360 degrees on all connections as specified in the video...
spitvace 6 months ago 4
@spitvace If you can't rotate the fitting then you spread the liquid manually first, just like flux.
mickswis1 6 months ago
@spitvace why not just spin the pipe fool
hudsonkiyonaga 5 months ago
This stuff did not work for me the first time I tried...then I read the package. Do not clean away grit from sanding, sand with 60 grit paper and VOILA! it works!! Taking the pressure of my main water line without any leaks. Best stuff for working tight on joists or posts.
monkeyhelpme 6 months ago
Can I buy this stuff in the U.S. ?
1257mb 7 months ago
@1257mb Yes you can. Please Google Just For Copper USA for more details.
mickswis1 7 months ago
could i use this for the main line of my home for a water filter?
theorganicfreak 7 months ago
@theorganicfreak JFC will easily withstand mains water pressure. Please visit the website for full technical details.
mickswis1 7 months ago
correct me if i'm wrong but products like this are only for use with 'rigid' - type copper pipe...not for the 'soft' flexible copper coiled pipes :(
phillyflash43 7 months ago
@phillyflash43 That's correct. JFC is only suitable for use with rigid copper pipe.
mickswis1 7 months ago
Was anyone prosecuted for putting Goldfishes lives at risk!
zonkozonko 7 months ago
@zonkozonko No animals were harmed in the making of this movie.
mickswis1 7 months ago 5
Will fittings used with JFC pass building inspection code in the U.S.?
FixFalcon 8 months ago
@FixFalcon Please call 866-304-5335 for support in the U.S.
mickswis1 8 months ago
This stuff is great. I used it on outside water faucets. I soldered some and JFC on others. I love this stuff.No need for flux,solder or torch to carry around.I have not seen it used in commercial applications but it's great for the home owner.No leaks yet and I did the work 3 years ago.
stlkn4u 8 months ago
No way as a gas fitter would I ever use this stuff.For me it is solder or compression fittings.I hope Gas safe condemn this product.
RobW581 9 months ago
@RobW581 JFC is perfectly safe for use with gas and has been tested by Advantica in the UK.
mickswis1 8 months ago
@mickswis1 I like the idea and would try it in the right circumstance but copper is not good to use with gas. Natural Gas will eat a hole is copper piping.
ldhobbs 8 months ago
@ldhobbs There is some discussion about copper and gas but the general consensus is that presently copper and natural gas are fine together. A quick browse of some trade and manufacturer websites will back this up. If in doubt contact your national copper authority for more advice.
mickswis1 8 months ago
@mickswis1 What happens in a fire? Pipe gets hot melts jfc and gas leaks out. Braze with silver solder is the only way to join copper tube for gas....or flare fittings.
cassampj 7 months ago
@cassampj In the UK gas fittings must withstand 800C to avoid leaking in a fire. It is therefore necessary to use compression fittings in a situation where there is a fire risk.
mickswis1 7 months ago
do you think this product would work when making a copper collar(habaki) for a japanese blade?usually i solder the seam,but this would make life alot easier.does the product dry hard?
crazyroosterfist 9 months ago
@crazyroosterfist Sorry but JFC would not be suitable for this application.
mickswis1 9 months ago
@mickswis1 thank you.
crazyroosterfist 9 months ago
Thanks for this reply. Man, when trying to repair a reversing valve that would be good. Not to mention all the tight places in A/C work and repair. Thanks again.
HarleyDoo2 9 months ago
what a load of crap. solder has been used for years and works well why change. if you carnt solder get some one who can
66budge 10 months ago
@66budge There's nothing wrong with solder, unless there are hot work restrictions. That's when you need a 'cold' alternative like JFC.
mickswis1 10 months ago
@66budge
Field amputation was used for years too. Change can be good.
bitterbug 10 months ago 2
why is it poms are always looking for the easy way out..... that looks sooo dodgy
thetalkingelement 10 months ago
@thetalkingelement Maybe you should get rid of your computer just in case things get too eay for you. While you're at it get rid of your car, your fridge, your TV .... Why not organise an angry mob to come and smash up our mechanical looms.
mickswis1 10 months ago
@mickswis1 haha your weird.... lets just say i wouldnt tube out my house using glue to join "copper" together. and only an englishman would come up with that.... the as3500 would agree with me.....
corner cutting poms
thetalkingelement 10 months ago
@thetalkingelement It was actually invented by a Colombian.
mickswis1 10 months ago
@mickswis1 third world country.. u.k has third world plumbing, same diff.. get my drift??
thetalkingelement 10 months ago
@thetalkingelement And for minute there I thought we were having an intelligent discussion about new plumbing technologies.
mickswis1 10 months ago
Can I use this product to glue a new (copper) exterior faucet to an existing copper pipe that has been previously soldered?
ed11800578 10 months ago
@ed11800578 Yes. Just make sure you clean the copper thoroughly first.
mickswis1 10 months ago
I'd use this anywhere. Anywhere but my own house.
08hamster 11 months ago
@08hamster Why, do you not have any plumbing in your own house?
mickswis1 10 months ago
@mickswis1 I'm not knocking it, mate. I'm sure it's a darn sight more reliable than Speedfit or Hep. Can you tell me how much heat is required to release a JFC joint? Would I need to put a torch on it for long?
08hamster 10 months ago
@08hamster I was in a funny mood this morning. You will need a torch to undo a JFC join. Max operating temperature for JFC is 118C but you need to go above 200C to get the bonds to break and then you can work the join apart.
mickswis1 10 months ago
@mickswis1 Yeah, I was being flippant with my first comment. Some of us can be right Luddites when it comes to new products. I will definitely give this stuff a go. I do a lot of work in environments where there are vulnerable people whose behaviour can be unpredictable, and having a torch roaring away can be quite a liability as well as a distraction. Where's the best place to get it in the UK?
08hamster 10 months ago
@08hamster To order in the UK just go the website listed at the top of the page in the description. You can order online from there.
mickswis1 10 months ago
What!!!!! how can this be?????
REXROTH61 11 months ago
@REXROTH61 It's true. It really does work!
mickswis1 10 months ago
@mickswis1 what pressure can you pump this dodgy join up to before it goes kaboom and what happens when you join 20 joins and bump or nudge the join before testing and it leaks, how does it go with water on join before its glued?? frankly i wouldnt trust it to glue a stamp to envelope...people you wanna do quick fix without paying for plumber, get a compression coupling to size from your hardware it's way more trust worthy just two shifters no cleaning and glueing needed..
thetalkingelement 10 months ago
@thetalkingelement It will happily take 2000psi. You would have to apply a very large load to cause a finished join to leak. Water does not affect the performance of JFC (unlike solder/flux joins). Don't use JFC for a stamp, it is NOT a glue. Compression fittings are bulky, ugly and cost many times more than a JFC join, plus if you don't fit them properly guess what, they leak.
mickswis1 10 months ago
This is the reason why us plumbers get paid so much. Cause do it your selfers will try this and end up flooding out there house and call us to come fix their disasters.
daverfromthehammer 11 months ago
@daverfromthehammer If plumbers didn't charge so much then maybe there wouldn't be a need for innovative products like JFC that this job safer and easier.
mickswis1 10 months ago
@daverfromthehammer many plumbers not worth a shit, problem is there too damn slow, and cant visualize joints, angles , etc, i am a DIY my stuff never leaked, fired the plumber halfway the rough in
beast36001 10 months ago
The only soldering in this video very clearly showed a flame, and flame damage.
On another note,
I don't think that careless/drunk "plumber"'s is a good choice to demonstrate your filler .
thumper88888 11 months ago
Most epoxies and or glue systems degrade with time and lose some bonding power. What about this solderless system, will all my joints come lose 10 years down the line?
Robkat3751 1 year ago
@Robkat3751 First of all JFC is not an epoxy or a glue. It is a chemical weld specifically for use with copper or brass. Second, a join made with JFC is as reliable as a hot soldered joint.
mickswis1 1 year ago
@mickswis1 This is by far NOT a "weld" which means melting 2 pieces of material and using a filler metal. Even Soldering or brazing isn't a weld since your only melting the filler. As a plumber i hope this doesn't become the norm because a repair or addition of a fixture on this type of joint would require cutting the WHOLE fitting out so that i can make my Sweat connection. Since you cannot unsweat a glue joint nor solder any where near it.
SniperSpade 11 months ago
@SniperSpade To weld: "to unite or fuse (as pieces of metal) by hammering, compressing, or the like, especially after rendering soft or pasty by heat, and sometimes with the addition of fusible material like or unlike the pieces to be united. " A JFC connection can be undone by applying heat which acts to break the chemical bonds between the welded surfaces. JFC is a product for modern professionals and DIYers looking for a safer and more efficient way to effectively join copper pipe.
mickswis1 11 months ago
@SniperSpade good point with the whole cant weld and or "braise,solder" near glued join, then so two years down track another plumber comes and braises next to glued joint not knowing that its glued and it comes apart its then therefore more work for plumber to braise together again which costs "more" money for customer.. i h8 new products over here in aus its plastic pipe crimp joins thats all just taking the skill outta the trade. i think iv made my point on this product
thetalkingelement 10 months ago
@thetalkingelement So what would the plumber do if her was soldering next to a metal soldered join?
mickswis1 10 months ago
is this joint lead free,what chemicals are in use and could this be used in the food industry?
shylock334 1 year ago
@shylock334 JFC is lead free and is approved for use by WRAS with potable water systems.
mickswis1 1 year ago
@mickswis1 ..many thanks for answer mate,expensive stuff but saves a lot on fire risk,may try it very soon
sokotofumikomi 1 year ago
wonder if its sold in the States?
pentogram23 1 year ago
nice one, where can i buy it from, its a quick way to fix the job, i agree soldered or compression, but as my gopher dont always replace fittings on the van, it might get me out a scrape
freemind4ever 1 year ago
@freemind4ever Just Google for Just-for-Copper or buy direct from our website.
mickswis1 1 year ago
@joeavfc93 mate im a gas engineer...the money isn't all that ha
koski316 1 year ago
Nice, testing within the fishes. Safety first! ;)
Brbolj 1 year ago
@joeavfc93 Most plumbers do have a fire resistant mat but what happens when regulations prohibit you from using heat/flame? In this situation JFC is the simplest and most cost effective solution.
mickswis1 1 year ago
Just what i've ben looking for . i got some pipes that there is NO way i could use a flame on, As soon as i post this i'am going to search for a site to order some, thanks for sharing this info... Take care,Rob
Hollrobb 1 year ago
That would be a very useful bit of kit for repairs where I work. If we need to make a rapid repair to an installation then half the time taken is in getting a hot-work permit signed off so we could have a naked flame on the shop floor. This would allow us to get the job done in no time.
eddiebruv 1 year ago
Where can I get "just for copper" on Christmas Island ???
vallonia 1 year ago
@vallonia You would have to look at ordering by mailorder via the US website.
mickswis1 1 year ago
Is that glue electrically conductive?
ReiMomo 1 year ago
@ReiMomo JFC is not electrically conductive.
mickswis1 1 year ago
Excellent video.
I used copper glue on my pipes 15 years ago and it's great.
johnlvs2run 1 year ago
Poly vinyl chloride is cheaper
backwoodsctryboy 1 year ago
@backwoodsctryboy PVC can't stand up to the heat or pressure that copper can.
mountnman3609 1 year ago
@mountnman3609 aside from boiler apps, copper a waste of time in residential, prices are crazy, hey people steal heat pumps just for copper,!! not CPVC, or PVC
beast36001 10 months ago
If I burned the surrounding timber work like that, my boss would have my bollocks off! As has been said: Heat control (Its really not that hard to solder!), and keep a few burn mats in your toolbox. And carry some compression fittings. Ok, I can see this product being good for DIY'ers, but for any half decent plumber, it may be a solution to a problem which doesn't really exist. I've had many situations where soldering is not an option, and in the tightest spots, but I can overcome it.
gullivera 1 year ago 18
@gullivera MAYBE you could get a joint in a tight spot like this without burning the surrounding area. BUT if one doesn't have fire blanket material handy, this would save time. As far as compression fittings, IF your in an area that MIGHT be somewhat difficult to move wrenches, this stuff might also be a time saver. And if your in a tough area for wrenches, handling a torch is going to be hard also.
mountnman3609 1 year ago
@gullivera Completely agree..
idiotfacehead 11 months ago
@gullivera I've had many situations where soldering is not an option, and in the tightest spots, but I can overcome it.
Yeah, but you could have overcome the problems MUCH easier with this chemical. It seems to be perfect to me. Assuming that it has a long life. Much easier than a torch, cleaner, flux brush, solder, lighter, carrying case....just put the chemical bottle in your shirt pocket, and you're set. I've seen this stuff for a long time, never used it. but, I might.
OK55OK55OK 3 months ago
where can i buy just for copper that ships to argentina?
jaakson2000 1 year ago
@jaakson2000 Please Google justforcopper USA for details of distributors throughout North and South America.
mickswis1 1 year ago
does this work on hot systems such has boilers??
Ridetherockittt 1 year ago
@Ridetherockittt JFC is rated up to 118C so is suitable for use right up to the boiler on domestic hot water systems.
mickswis1 1 year ago
i dont know why people are hating on this. before soldering we were threading our pipes, and melting lead and pouring it in our fittings on our drain lines. then we started welding, and then all the welders were againts groove rolling pipes. i remember people not wanting to put copper in because they thought it was too soft, and wasnt going to last. now look it. soldering is just basically HOT glueing copper together. everything changes in pipes. solder welding, groove, glue who cares
Ridetherockittt 1 year ago
Hmm... I don't know man still having to prep the the pipe and fittings and you can't prefab a section before application. I like not having to use flux and come home with green hands, but what about demo? will scrap metal companies still accept the pieces with glue? would it be considered type 2 copper?
EdwardMarshall1982 1 year ago
@EdwardMarshall1982 Any JFC residue on scrap pipe is no more harmful than normal flux/solder residue so will not cause any problems when recycling pipe.
mickswis1 1 year ago
@mickswis1 what does that mean?
blackdirtwarrior2009 1 year ago
@blackdirtwarrior2009 What are you referring to?
mickswis1 1 year ago
Great for some applications. It bonds up very, very quickly and you cannot move it after a few seconds. This can be troublesome at times.
pismo10 1 year ago
no thanks, i'll stick to soldering my copper.
CATEGORY5D 1 year ago
how much does a bottle of that go for? i have never seen it stocked
darrenmarsh87 1 year ago
@darrenmarsh87 Suggested retail is between $20 and $30. Google jusforcopper and look for stockists on the main website.
mickswis1 1 year ago
will it work on aluminum? I know about this product. A/C supply sell them here locally for 36 bucks.
tangnatalaga 1 year ago
@tangnatalaga It will not work on aluminum, only copper or copper alloy e.g. brass.
mickswis1 1 year ago
So this is like pvc glue ? but just for copper
67tr876 1 year ago
@67tr876 JFC is not a glue but actually a chemical weld. It works specifically with copper or copper alloy and will not stick or glue any other materials.
mickswis1 1 year ago
@mickswis1 PVC glue is a chemical weld that works on PVC so, yes it is like PVC glue.
MultiPureEnergy 1 year ago
@MultiPureEnergy PVC glue is a solvent which literally melts the PVC surfaces causing them to fuse together. A PVC solvent join cannot be undone. JFC is not a solvent and it actually creates chemical bonds which hold the two surfaces of the pipe and fitting together. As with a traditional soldered join JFC can be undone with heat if required so there is no need to cut out sections as would be necessary with PVC. Unlike solvents, JFC is non hazardous.
mickswis1 1 year ago
is this for real can it be used in the usa where can this be found - like i say for real or a joke
realfunny7 1 year ago
@realfunny7 Absolutley, this is for real and is widely available in the USA. Google JustForCopper to find more information in the USA.
mickswis1 1 year ago
you gotta be kidding me. glue!!!
PndaStyle 1 year ago
@PndaStyle It's actually a chemical weld that belongs to the same chemical family as thread locking compounds.
mickswis1 1 year ago
You want it to last, say, 50 years? Rigid copper and solder with a little bit of lovely old lead in it.
Nothing better so far.
Ask a real pro what he'd pipe his own house with.
Especially in closed runs.
schlusselmensch 1 year ago
@schlusselmensch Of course lead solder is now banned in the UK, at least on potable water systems, whereas JFC is approved by WRAS for use with potable water.
mickswis1 1 year ago
@mickswis1 Yeah, I know. Depending on the water source, we are seeing lead free solder joints in heat exchangers and the like starting to leak after as little as 8 years.
I'll take the lead please. There are graver hazards I can fret about.
schlusselmensch 1 year ago
There are so many practicle methods, products and techniques in the European Union, I do not know why here in the US they think we have the best and most advance shit, is all about we are better and we do not want to accept and learn from others, by the way NASA and the US Government always uses people from Germany and other advance countries and we love to take the credit for new inventions made in here and in reality are from other cultures.
vzuani 1 year ago
@vzuani Just-For-Copper was actually invented in Colombia in Central America.
mickswis1 1 year ago
@thegenrl Fair point.
mickswis1 1 year ago
@petrolhead200tdi That's OK. But take care when using flame in fire risk areas.
mickswis1 1 year ago
cool idea, but i think everybody is still disgruntled over PEX here in the states. im sure every pipe fitter / plumber here would have a fit if they saw this video!
also, about the 50 year life expectancy of this stuff. it's hard to guarantee such a statement, even in accelerated life tests.
thegenrl 1 year ago
@thegenrl By having a fit do you mean with amazement and excitment at this new technology. And why are they disgruntled over PEX?
mickswis1 1 year ago
is it approved
on gas
dchovs 1 year ago
@dchovs Although safe to use with gas JFC does not meet certain fire regulations. So check with your local authority first.
mickswis1 1 year ago
Can I get a big "NOPE!" ?
capncrunchalot 1 year ago 2
@capncrunchalot NOPE!
mickswis1 1 year ago 4
New plumbing techniques are always scoffed at here in the U.S.
Two simple reasons-
#1 It's not how jonny the plumber/pipefitters dad showed him how to do it.
#2 New products, especially liquid chemical products, are looked at with caution. Are there any harmful chemicals in this "just for copper" product? Will any of its ingredients leach into the water? What's the life expectancy of the product?
leaddrop 1 year ago
@leaddrop That's very true. Adopting new products/techniques is a challenge and their will always be resistance from the traditional user. JFC is completely safe with water and is approved safe for use with potable water systems. A join made with JFC will last at least 50 years.
mickswis1 1 year ago
Does that glue work on refrigeration systems, r22 or 410, much higher pressure.???
supersexyroybird 1 year ago
@supersexyroybird JFC is suitable for refrigeration/aircon systems. It is approved to 500psi but has gone much higher in testing.
mickswis1 1 year ago
looks nice ,,, but you cant rotate alll of those joints on a T if the other pipes are pre exisiting
pipewrenchninja 1 year ago
@pipewrenchninja If you can't rotate the pipe then spread the solution manually around the circumference of the pipe and fitting before joining them.
mickswis1 1 year ago
@mickswis1 this must be for the at home do it yourself guy ? most apprentice and surely any journey/master can sweat this blind folded . whats the price for this product again ?
pipewrenchninja 1 year ago
@pipewrenchninja JFC is so easy to use that it is ideal for the DIY user. However, because it uses no heat it also perfect for the professional user when heat/flame is not an option.
mickswis1 1 year ago
all i got say is HEAT control! he burnt all 3 sides of the wood! I tell you, New Jersey and NY plumbers are the best and will always be, because we do it right and by code. And i will never use this Just for copper bit, soldering in 100Xs better.
cjfly7 1 year ago
@cjfly7 The video is designed to demonstrate a point and of course many plumbers would not burn the surrounding area. However, what do you do if you are not allowed to use heat e.g. fire risk building, public safety etc? That's where JFC really comes in useful.
mickswis1 1 year ago
@mickswis1 Maybe -- if it lasts as long as a soldered connection, and the local code permits it. I don't think it would be permitted here.
Wolfcritic64 1 year ago
@Wolfcritic64 Where are you located?
mickswis1 1 year ago