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  • lol, there is only one notable Muslim Lord, so how does he control the House of Lords.

    How ridiculous you people are

  • Evil man, I cannot believe that the house of Lords complied with threats!

  • I don't understand you people in the West, why don't just kick them out!!, you are supposed to support secularism in our countries not to give shelters to those terrorists

    why this double standards?

  • @blackspc75

    Not double standards, but a built-in self destruction mechanism (you can also call it a bug) every democracy has. If someone knows how to exploit it - beeep Game Over.

    The only solution for the democracy bug is a dose of anti-democracy measures.

    And if a liberal has to conclude something like that, means the time is up.

  • Very disturbing video, so what are the fine people in UK going to do about this Lord Akmed. Of course lets not forget George Gallaway.

  • All muslim extremists are called moderate by the UK media.

  • Disgusting.

    He should be hanged.

  • This was a disgrace. Lord Ahmed should be in the Tower, not the Lords.

  • This is a blemish on the history of modern civilization and the great civil traditions of Great Britain.

  • Thanks for this video victomlesscriminal. This is the way forward. Islam doesn't need to be faught against. You simply need to expost it. Freedom of expression is all we have and must do anything we can to protect it. I hate seeing my second home (Britain) taken by Muslims the same as my mother land, Iran.

  • the english parlement are spineless basterds, they listen to islam sooner then other european countries. they wouldn;t talk to wilders because of muslims threatend to storm the parlement. so my understanding is they want sharia law rather then a debate in the name of freedom.

  • What ever happened to the spirit that enabled people to give their all to defend their island home?

  • Why does that matrimonial shit keep flashing up? Their women are so ugly thats why they make them wear the burka. I'm grateful for that because i dont want to look at the offspring of dogs and pigs. Get that fat ugly muslim scum bag out of the house of lords or find British politicians with some back bone in there to stand up to the intimidating bastard. He is a murdering shit and the judiciary in this country should have put this bastard behind bars instead he was let off lightly

  • It just goes to show how biased the UK (in)justice system is.

    He commited man-slaughter by willful negligence and he receives a driving ban for a year. That's not even a slap on the wrists. He should have been serving a custodial sentence for a long, long time. Any other regular Joe would be (and have been) so why does this scumbag walk free?

  • Why don't the brits feel or see the urgency of what is happening to their country? Please someone tell me this???

    You've lost your national identity, the islamic minority is dictating the political agenda for the majority non muslim population. You already have 40 or more sharia courts of justice for muslims in the UK. Why? Why don't you go off and make Arabic one of the official languages of the UK to really integrate the muslims?

    You're pathetic!!!

  • o fuck u silly honky

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  • can't fault you chap. every fucking word.

  • Islam is a plague upon humanity.

  • @HereComesTeamB2 I agree 100% just look at all the crap Kerimil writes about western women. When confronted, he has the cheek to blame us for a reaction.

  • dude I've seen a couple of your videos and the first thing that struck me - 'dude stop bitching and check how many muslims are doing your women'

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  • @pammyoneto

    lol dude you're retarded. Yeah, I do feel pretty good. Now show everyone that you're a real men and kill someone :-D

    Yeah, not only your mother/girlfriend will be used as a free fuck toy but also you will be in jail

  • @kerimil You are the mouthy Muslim that creates all the shit. You shout your gob off then when someone pulls you and does something, you then say they are at fault. In other words you want to be able to call western women whores and slags and all the filth in your mind. When your words create a back lash, you then have the audacity to say it`s my fault. What a fucking piece of scum you are. You prove what a diabolical lot you are! SHAME ON YOU AND YOUR DIRTY MOUTH.

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  • @kerimil Already done 8 years and I`d do it again easy. You hide behind a computer and spout filth about our women. Well your words have caused another to suffer badly. Already on to it SCUM POLAK!!

  • @kerimil Ever heard of provocation? You provoked me shit head. All your messages have been printed out and I have a fucking great Lawyer!! Fuck face.

  • @pammyoneto

    yeah, right... well you just proved that muslims are not the biggest threat - it's retards like you

  • @kerimil Listen punk, there you are sat behind your computer insulting British women calling them all the names under the sun, calling all the Western men under the sun. Then you CRY like a little baby when someone slaps you down. Problem is little fuckers like you...you push and push and think you can insult. Well because of you some lad has had his nose bitten off.. You`re the problem, you provoke and then cry everyone else is at fault. Happy now you got a result?

  • @kerimil Just like the rest of them, you make threats and insult people just like this gormless man called Achmed, who became a lord because the labour lefties put him there.He threatened to bring 10,000 muslims to demonstrate and guess what? The British men you call pussies retaliated and in a major way.

    You better believe we are the BIGGEST threat. As a result of the likes of YOU and lard Achmed, that Labour Government got kicked to the kerb by millions of Brits.

  • For muslims the UK is just a free brothel. Willing bitches and cuckholders.... and they can't do a damn thing about it. The USA is exactly the same - they all go 'Whoa!' & 'America yeah!' or 'kill the muslims!' but somehow they don't notice that blacks, mexicans, and muslims have been doing their women in every possible hole they can find.

    That's the result of the so called pussification of the west. Once you gave women their 'rights' ;-), and stuff like that you turned into a band of pussies

  • @kerimil What a perfect illustration of why non Muslims are disgusted by people like you!!

  • @pammyoneto

    lol you FAIL! because I am not a muslim but a caucasian (more than you) and an atheist.

    I guess that your pathetic response, which lacks any sense at all - it's just a personal attack (that failed terribly), proves that I am right. You're just a bunch of pussies

  • @kerimil You are a Pakistani and a coward and I couldn`t care less if English isn`t your first language. You write it well enough to insult me. Now go pay your hooker in the massage parlour for your favours. No real woamn would touch you with a barge pole. Now fuck off wanker.

  • @pammyoneto

    heh I guess that some pakistani must have poked his little xxx in all the holes of your mother/girlfriend or whatever.. I feel very sorry for you but I am not a pakistani... anyway you sound like all those little dicked racists...

  • @kerimil You are a Pakistani and the next one I see and because of you I shall ensure he will get a beating. How do you feel about that PUNK? I really will get the boys to beat up on a Pakistani now and it is because of YOUR SHIT COMMENTS ABOUT ENGLISH WOMEN., Before the end of the weekend some little Pakistani will be in hospital because of you and your insulting words. I promise you SCUM it is happening!!!

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  • @pammyoneto

    it's not muslim's fault that british men are pussies while their women are filthy sluts. Does islam have anything to do with that ?

  • @kerimil Listen punk, you insult my mother, my sisters and my daughters with that filth. I would knock you out if you had the balls to say that to my face. You must be a little coward and again I say, your statements only make people detest Muslims. Now go and watch some more filthy porn and play with your self you sick feck.

  • @pammyoneto

    this dude is uploading his pointless speeches while some muslim is doing his girl. 15 or 20 yrs ago some black dudes were doing his mother. Don't you get it ? They are stupid cuckholders who get a bonner everytime they offend muslims or blacks. Yet blacks, muslims and immigrants are cumming on faces and in all the holes of their women. So yeah he uplaoded a nice speech that sounds very british but it doesn't change the fact that british are pussies

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  • @pammyoneto

    Thx god I am not a native speaker of Enlish and I am not pakistani. In fact I am more caucasian than you are.

    Also next time do not respond to your own comments, esspecially not with 'I would spit in your face' coz that sounds as if you wanted to spit on your own face

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  • @kerimil You have ONE chance. Appologise and delete your filth or some one is going to be put in hospital. It is in your power. What you going to do SCUM?

  • @pammyoneto

    lol I don't care... personally I don't even like pakistanis... I guess your comment makes it clear that muslims are not your biggest problem....

    it's pussies like you

  • The problems isn't Islam it is the pussy ass lords.

  • They shout freedom of speech when it's to their convenience but condemn us when we speak about their prophet .

  • @revolt1492 How right you are. Have a look at what this 4 faced Kerimil wrote about western women and how he then twists things to blame anyone who reacts to his filth.

  • This is even worse than it has been presented here. Ahmed is in the Lords for the same reason that Blair took a deliberately relaxed view of immigration--especially from Pakistan. Why? ..to help keep labour in office. The "ethnic" vote you see.

    And as for Geert Wilders(always referred to as the "far right Dutch MP" on the BBC)go and watch his film FITNA; it consists almost entirely of quotes from muslim "holy scripture. Ahmed is ashamed of the korans barbarism, wants it kept out of the light

  • @CobinRain Agreed totally. Look at the comments Kerimil left about western women. Then when he got a reaction he had the audacity to blame the reaction.

  • He is a fucking Lord as well. So when will he threaten the Queen to bring 10,000 muslims to march into Buckingham Palace. Why don't we just arrest him for treason.

  • @alexandre1129 Look at the comments Kerimil left about the Western men and women. He claims to live in the US. When he got a reaction, he then blamed the one reacting to his filth and got it back.

  • Hey, I want to know if that is a koran buring.

  • Why the subliminal messages of muslim marriages/weddings?

  • jews control house of lords.

  • @Xzibillion Shut it, Islamo-nazi.

  • @RedsNMaduroMan I have found one for you, Kerimil. Read what he has to say about the west. He states he lives in the US. Look what he wrote about our women and when he got a reaction, he then had the cheek to say it isn`t muslims that are the problem.

  • @pammyoneto

    lol dude you've got some serious problems, you know ? :-D

    5 hours ago you realized that I am not a muslim. Now you call me a muslim again. WTF is wrong with you dude ??

    better check who is doing your women while you are writing all those lame comments

  • @kerimil Nothing wrong with me SCUM. I am a white WOMAN and ENGLISH/IRISH. I am pictured on my channel. Yes that`s right, I am the woman blowing a kiss.

    You insult ALL women calling us whores and that men are having sex with us and insult our men.

    You are a filthy mouthed piece of SCUM and as a result of your filth, someone HAS had there nose bitten off.

    I know you are Muslim. Why? Because only a Muslim talks that way about the WESTERN WOMAN. I would be happy to smack you in the mouth myself.

  • @pammyoneto

    TITS or GTFO

    it's great you like blowing - it seems we share the same interests... oh and I can smack you in the face with you know what :-D

  • @kerimil You think that I would be interested in scum like you? You insult women and call us whores etc.

    You wouldn`t get a look in. No woman with even half a brain would look twice at you.

    That is your real problem. Women have time and again rejected you and you are jealous.

    

  • @pammyoneto

    nope they don't reject me - they swallow the whole load :-D this kind of rhetoric might have worked well on most British pussies you had (since they are pussies) but it won't work on me.

    oh yeah and I didn't call you a whore - well even if I did then I think it is actually a good thing... so keep it up

  • @kerimil What a brave man you are. You call the British women whores, well I am British. You think by being disrespectful that makes you smart. Well it doesn`t it just makes you a piece of shit and nothing more.

    You are a misogynist and have nothing of any real substance to offer a real woman.

    `They swallow a whole load` Yeah, that`s all you have to offer!!

  • @kerimil Kerimil, you nastly little toe-rag, what on earth are you even making comments here? This is a video about the British Parliament and its tradition of free speech, now apparently threatened by another Muslim rent a mob but this time led by a muslim who was bizarrely put in the house of Lords by Blair in the hope of increasing the Labour vote among muslims!

    I feel certain that all this is over your head. And your comment about "filling holes" and "your women" make you sound about 15.

  • @CobinRain

    lol First you ask why I am making comments here and then you mention free speech.. wow that's hypocrisy... I guess you're pretty much like all those muslims you hate so much

  • @kerimil I just wondered what all this had to do with you or why you had the remotest interest in it since you say you arent a Muslim and as far as I can see, you couldnt possibly be British why spend all this time? Are you in an institution of some kind? The issues here are nothing to do with you. Or are they?

    You know what? A European would ever really come up with phrases you use like "your women" since owning women is not a concept we really have. But it is a common attitude in wogland.

  • @CobinRain

    then WTF do you care about that mohamad guy (lol if I spelt it right) if you're not a muslim ?

    What's the point of drawing funny pics of him ? It pretty much makes as much sense.

    Though I am responding to your hypocritical comments that you made first. For some reason you think it is ok to disrespect their beliefs yet you say it isn't ok to disrespect your beliefs, women, whatever

    Lol your comments are pretty much the best example of hypocrisy that I've seen

  • @kerimil I try to be good at what I do.

    Kerimil: you are a Muslim, arent you? A pakistani probably. Your hatred of women marks you out. Read back what you have written on this comments page. How would you like your mother to read what you have written? Try to be a decent person

  • @CobinRain

    lol yeah I am a pakistani. There are pakistani and muslims everywhere... One is hiding under your bed, one is hiding in your wardrobe... probably at least 3 muslims live in you bathroom... damn they are everywhere

    Yeah I am a typical polish pakistani :-D you know add a spoonful of curry to each bottle of vodka I drink, sausages I eat and so on

  • @kerimil If you are polish you should be really ashamed of yourself. How does a country so cultured, brave and freedom loving produce someone like you? Are you really Polish? What has happened to you? Have you been raised abroad or something? Where does the nasty woman-hating come from? And as I said: how would you like your mother to read the things you have written here? Look: if you are Polish try to live up to your inheritance. That Poland wouldnt be ashamed of you.

  • @CobinRain

    well let me quote you something -> 'Why should we draw Muhammad? Because Muslims say we can't. They say any depiction of Muhammad is offensive, whether he's angry or smiling or (...)'

    Well, if you think it is ok to offend their beliefs then I offended yours.. Get it ?

    Lol I made pammyonetto threathen me. Damn, she even said that someone will die because of my comments... See any difference between her behaviour and that of a typical angry muslim mob ? :-D

  • Muslims should NOT be allowed in any section of parliament! They are anti-democracy!

  • @rhyfelwrDuw Yes, because the ideal way to protect democracy is banning people you disagree with from participating in it. Have you ever picked up a bible. It is also anti-democracy.

  • @michalchik Hmmm you do have a point - God isn't a democratic God! BUT the difference between the Bible and the Qu'ran is - the Bible gives people a chance to repent and make peace with God whereas a sure way of getting to Muslim 'heaven' is to blow people up - I know which I'd prefer... BTW as a Christian I read the Bible daily and find it new every day and life changing! Democracy is the best thing humans have though - it's not un-Christian to give pple a voice!

  • @rhyfelwrDuw Well, it depends on how you interpret the Bible and what part you look at. I am glad it works for you. I think the Muslim wacko had every right to protest the film, but I wish that the Lords had had the guts to stand up to the threat. I am glad the Bible has left room for democracy in your heart. There are certainly other people who have used it to support tyranny.

    As a rule all holy books are dangerous things in my opinion. I have read the Bible cover to cover.

  • @michalchik It's a shame when people use the Bible to support all sorts of vile things. Many white people over the centuries have used specific passages to persecute black people - I'm white and I can't see anywhere in the Bible that says black people are inferior to whites! We're equal! Religions are OK except for the people ;) Holy books can be very dangerous (well, it's not the books it's how they're interpreted I suppose!).

  • @rhyfelwrDuw Well chainsaws aren't dangerous by themselves either but I don't leave them around kids. When i read the Bible i did indeed find wisdom but I also found even more stuff that was out and out vile and then a lot of stuff that could easily be misinterpreted in bad ways. I don't think the Bible should be supressed nor Christians pilloried but I find it scary when i see people waving the bible around saying things like "We must all do it because the bible says so" That is the path to H*

  • @michalchik there IS a lot of vile stuff in the Bible, but you only have to turn on your TV (if you have one) buy a daily newspaper and look at society to see that much hasn't changed. Child sacrifice now takes the form of abortion, there's still rape, murder, paedophilia etc etc All mentioned in the Bible, because the Bible is a book which doesn't gloss things over - tells it as it is! It also tells of a remedy for social/spiritual ills!

  • @michalchik ran out of space :) Personally I don't think it's a good idea to wave the Bible around and push it onto people - the message of Jesus Christ is one of hope (although it does contain warnings). Christians should be helping people more (although I do think the spiritual side of life is also important!)

  • @rhyfelwrDuw I think we are basically in agreement. I get upset when people try to pretend that just because someone claims to be a christian, that they could be trusted or that a state that claimed to make Christianity its official religion would be a just one. I have seen way to many counter examples. There have also been enlightened and just Islamic states and Muslims but i would not count on that either.

  • @michalchik We do have to be wise regarding faiths/religions. I have to admit that blanket statements drive me mad, e.g. all Christians are hypocrites - anyone who says that sure has a great social life knowing ALL Christians ;) or all Muslims are terrorists - another blanket statement which isn't true! Wisdom and discernment - 2 great concepts which go together :)

  • @rhyfelwrDuw

    Only if all muslim organizatrions and muslim dominated countries do accept the UN human rights declaration, only then i agree that not all muslims are terrorists!

  • Islam = Death Cult

    Mohammed = Pedo False Prophet

  • @gorillatime11 Islam is a socio-political ideology so extreme that it includes religion among the aspects of life it insists on controlling.

    To treat it as just another religion among others is ignorant and ridiculous. This nonsense should simply no longer be acceptable from educated people.

  • @gorillatime11 Islam is a socio-political ideology so extreme that it includes even religion among the aspects of life it insists on controlling.

    To treat it as just another religion among others is ignorant and ridiculous. This nonsense should simply no longer be acceptable from educated people.

  • Muslims shouldn't assume that people that comment on Quran or Islam haven't read stuff. Violence was the way of Mohammed and has been they way of muslims for generations. Try changing your present deeds, forget erasing the history. So called "radical muslims" are the ones that are following Mohammed and the Quran, not the moderate ones. Moderates aren't even considered muslims by their own. Quran tells you lies about the Bible and God. Read the Gospels yourself to learn the truth about Jesus.

  • To Pakicop and other muslims, you should investigate your family history to see how you guys became a muslims to begin with. You may not like what you find but you will realise the evils of Islam. "Convert or Die" is the Islamic motto, actions speak louder than words. There is no such thing as moderate muslims, these are people that don't know all about their book and their prohpet, and his deeds and henceforth "moderate".You DO nothing that says Islam is a religion of Peace, words aren't enough

  • @Get2KnoJesus That is good advice. You might try the same things. Look up the Spanish inquisition and what they did to people who were suspected of being Jewish or Muslim. You can also look at the pogroms of Russia. The enslavement of the peoples of Africa and the New World and their forced conversion. And the forced conversion of various types of Christianity to other types. You might also read through the old testament load of slaughter everyone who does not believe there.

  • Smash the UAF and the public will sort the Muslims out in their own way...Civil War!

  • YES YOU SON OF A PROSTITUTE moerocco75 MUSLIMS RUNS HOUSE OF LORDS AND YESSSSSS WHITE HOUSE ASWELLL (A PRESIDENT OF WORLD) SUPER POWER AMERICAN PRESIDENT NAME ( BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA ) WUT ELSE YOU WANNA HEAR GO ASK YOUR MOM WHOZ UR DAD BITCH

  • PATHETIC!!!

  • One man. One single man. How was he able to remain in office?

    He threatened his fellow representatives.

  • @malspot

    Who is 'he' you fucking idiot?

  • Lol why the muslim dating site?

  • Yes this is scary. What is the matter with Brown? can't he see it? Or is he protecting his own ar@, by wishing Pakistan a happy Ramadan?

    Change the laws now, sit together with leaders of the western world. politicians come up with the right plan to oust radical Islamists, now! And insist that they accept our law, not Islam. mosques are their parliament, Islam is their law, and they teach hatred to their kids in their own schools. Don't accept, take a slice from the Swiss courage, please!!

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  • Islam controls house of lords?! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !

    The white house too? Ha Ha HA HA HA HA HA HA? How about the hague? Hollywood? The moon? Mars? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !

    You guys are too much! Thanks for the laugh! I needed that, honestly that cheered me up. You have a career in comedy if you so wish: GUARANTEED!

  • @MoeRocco75 You idiot, that's exactly what he did.

  • London, 5th March 2010, House of Lords.  Support Geert Wilders, Defender of the West, Protector of Freedom, Future President of Europe.

  • @WeWantOurFreedomBack lol with this oil money the doing what the like and people vote for them i hope not

  • Nazi propaganda shit

  • He is a British man and he has the right that you have !

  • i am ENGLISH this is my country, i will not stand by and see lord ahmed and is muslim fanatics take over the country i love, ISLAM AND THE QURAN as no place in a christian country, The QURAN IS THE MUSLIM BIBLE OF HATE, LONG LIVE CHRISTIAN VALUES,AND DEATH TO THE QURAN

  • where ever u british are u are targets because of all the places u interferred with.

  • @tsharnii That sounds like a threat.

  • Uk should ship all religious fanatics to their countries of origin if they do not like a freedom of speech concept.

  • 06000945 I agree with you! LOOK YH PPL I BEG YOU READ THE QURAN FIRST, THEN COMMENT! Well Christians, u lot haven't even read your true holy book, this John who re-wrote ur bible made everything up! This Jesus (ur prophet) was not even hanged! NOW I DNT WANNA EXPLAIN EVERYTHING, GO AND READ DA QURAN! There are translated Qurans out there!

  • Freedom of religions is for peaceful religions, not for violent cults. The quran contains commandments to convert Jews, Christians, & people from other religions, or death. Read quran 9:29 to 30, 5:33, 5:14, 9:5, 18:4 to 5, 19:88, 2:65 to 66, 5:60, 5:51, 4:89, 3:28, 5:72 to 73, 9:5, 9:14, 47:4 to 6, 98:6. The western authorities must declare Martial law to protect citizens from terrorists, violent cults, & violent religions.

  • Hydrogen & solar energy must replace muslim oils immediately. The Oils revenues fund moslems to islamize the west. Martial law in the west must stop any violent cult or religion to practice on western soils. The religious leaders are persuading moslems through the quran to attack non-moslems worldwide. Read quran 5:72, 18:4 to 5, 5:51, 9:29, 69:44 to 47, 5:14

  • Martial law should control the west to arrest moslem terrorists. The authority cant fight them because moslems are using our democracy to destroy us with it. Democracy & freedom of religions should be limited to stop islamic violence. Read quran 9:29. If the authorities refuse to declare martial law on these terrorists in the west, citizens have no other alternative but to defend themselves and their families.

  • Great video, Islam is controlling UK, it is a shame, camels and donkeys are playing piano these days.

  • hi u...dont u forget ur Jesus Christ come from baitullehem(Jesus born there - palestine) Jesus was Arab too....so...u called ur Jesus (arab is camels and donkey) how funny....so how u expected ur God Jesus.....heheheeeee

  • pastor martin niemoeller said First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out-- because I was not a communist;

    Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out-- because I was not a socialist;

    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out-- because I was not a trade unionist;

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-- because I was not a Jew;

    Then they came for me-- and there was no one left to speak out for me.

  • again and nobody is standing up, they will only stand up or realise when it directly effects them, the real problem is the government cant you people see this the government plays us off against eachother through the media, children against parents, black against white, muslim against christian, why do you think they bring in crazy laws all the time divide and conquer. you think your free cause you have 105 of your income to spend on yourself wake up people.

  • business controls the house of lords and that could be musli, jew or christian think about it our political system has been established for hundreds of years, when the British empire was rapeing the world including Britain. Dont you realise hundreds od years ago the British people were openly oppressed by the government then the people said no we are not taking this anymore and forced the government to give us freedom from oppression which we got and slowly our rights are being taken away

  • LoL islam rules ehm yeh right........No jews rule since whe with lot more then people think adioz

  • 6 weeks for Lord Ahmed for killing an innocent slovakian man with 2 kids, and 5 months prison for a chap (Steven Potts) for having sex with his girlfriend outside a church in Plymouth.

    Public indecency v Killing a man.

    Interesting dilemma.

  • @missladydeborah lord paki got away with murder just cos hes a paki/muslim scumbag

  • LOL!

  • victimlesscriminal, your presented opinion is your own, but when you make it public and present it as truth and throw in a picture of a Muslim woman with hijab, then it is obvious that you're are not stating an opinion, rather you want to inform! But who are you to inform and teach people? your credentials? your references? and for sure covered women is an issue for you, you want them naked so you can be happy! you sow hatred in the name of freedom of speech, then hatred will bite you back!

  • Never trust a moslem.

  • ! ! ! ! ! never trust a crusader

  • The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. -Edward Bernays

    every1 is at it, so what's the difference, your opinion, my opinion, just opinions. We want a secular society, well this is it, enjoy.

  • this video was made so people belive what they are bieng told!!!! do yuor own research, read the quran (english translation) and see if that verse is even in the quran!!! losers

  • It sounds shocking and is frightening me.

    You certainly don`t talk rubbish;

    just go on.

  • there is NO PLACE for islam here in the UK

    lord ahmed is a criminal and we will deal with him and those who support him

    SMASH islam

  • Not only can I not believe he was only sentenced to 16 weeks in prison for causing death by dangerous driving, but I also cannot believe he was released from Prison after serving only 16 days of his sentence.

    I don't care if his job is considered "important" (not that I would agree with that) - justice should be indiscriminate.

  • keep muslims out of british politics they can not be trusted.

  • That threat of surrounding parliament was blackmail in its purest form . Thats a signal to all subordinates that it is an acceptable means to achieve their goal on all fronts , namely , no compromise , islamise.

    How the hell can you tolerate such manipulative actions of such low morals and that from an alien as well ?

    Are you too weak to oust them using their own methods ?

  • The "Geert Wilders" video has deliberate inaccuracies in it with the purpose of inciting resentment and/or hatred towards Muslims.

    GW was refused entry under the new anti-hate law that Parliament introduced to prevent people like Abu Hamza talking in the UK.

    One law for all!

    Either NO hate speakers are allowed into the UK, or they ALL are. Freedom of speech is not selective!

  • Where are the inaccuracies in Fitna? Have you ever heard of Mohammed?

    So the Quran is hate speech? Interesting admission.

    One law for all? Sharia?

    Freedom to speak includes the freedom to expose the hatred that comes from evil ideologies such as Islam, surely?

  • "Inaccuracies in fitna"

    At one point he is listing verses of what Muslims should do to non-Muslims and includes a verse about burning off skin. This is a misrepresentation because the verse is a depiction of hell. So he was misleading there for a start.

    "Shariah?"

    No, government and religion should NEVER be mixed.

    "freedom to speak"

    Not if you are trying to incite hatred, which I believe he was by knowingly misrepresenting information.

  • That is what the Quran says and it is consistent with the rest of Mohammed's "teachings." It does not say Allah will burn off the skins of unbelievers in hell. It clearly refers to believers torturing and killing non believers. 

    Exposing evil may incite hatred of evildoers. Winston Churchill's speeches prior to WW2 may be considered to have incited hatred against Nazis. Is inciting hatred really a valid reason for restricting speech?

  • It DOES say that Allah will burn off the skins of unbelievers in hell.

    4.56 "Lo! Those who disbelieve Our revelations, We shall expose them to the Fire. As often as their skins are consumed We shall exchange them for fresh skins that they may taste the torment. Lo! Allah is ever Mighty, Wise"

    We = royal "We', i.e. God. You were wrong.

  • LOL. Dude, you really need to brush up on your reading comprehension skills. Thanks for making me laugh.

  • Try reading the verse before it...

    4.55 "And of them were (some) who believed therein and of them were (some) who disbelieved therein. Hell is sufficient for (their) burning"

    God = We is very common in the Quran 4.55 says that some people deserve to go to hell, 4.56 says what will happen to them in hell.

    It's pretty clear.

  • It's pretty clear that you can't read.

    Clear = clear.

  • So what exactly am I misreading? God is saying that God will put people into hell fire, and then God is saying that God will burn off their skin and replace it over and over so that they feel pain.

    You think the Muslims are burning off the skin? Are they master surgeon Muslims who can also re-graft the skin from elsewhere in order to burn it off again?

    Come on, if I am wrong, educate me. Don't just tell me I am wrong, show me WHY I am wrong.

  • You say "God will burn off their skin and replace it over and over so that they feel pain." Oh, I see now. That makes such a difference. Islam is so good, so enlightening, so peaceful, so positive, so humanitarian. LOL. And who will do your imaginary god's work for him? Even if your "interpretation" is correct (which it clearly isn't), it really doesn't say anything good about Islam, does it?

  • "Who will do your imaginary God's work for him?"

    I said it was MISLEADING, not NICE. Fitna tried to make out that Muslims wanted to burn off the skin of non-believers, but it was a scene from hell. I made this VERY clear in my post.

    So now that I have proven you wrong you want to change the discussion to whether or not it is NICE?

    Hell isn't supposed to be nice (not that I believe in Hell fire).

    My interpretation *IS* correct. If you think otherwise explain how HUMANS can replace skin!

  • Dude, learn how to read. I never said the Quran made good sense. You lost the argument so stop trying to change the subject.

  • I am not changing the subject, I tried to bring it back on track.

    If you think this verse talks about Muslims burning off the skin of Kuffar then please explain to me how 7th century Muslims expected to be able to burn off our skin, then REPLACE our skin, repeatedly.

    It's the question I have asked a few times which you keep avoiding because you know it proves me right.

  • Mohammed was a complete lunatic - intoxicated with hate, delusion and his own sense of importance, and who believed he was receiving messages from God via the Archangel Gabriel - and you ask me to explain his ramblings as if they ought to make sense. Come on. You are smarter than that.

  • I don't believe Muhammad was a messenger of God.

    I believe ALL religion is man made.

    However, I don't think lying or misrepresenting the truth is a good way to expose a lie.

    The fact remains that the "burn off your skin" sura *IS* supposed to be God's depiction of hell and NOT Muslims burning off the skin of unbelievers.

    My point was ONLY that Wilders was deliberately deceiving.

    If you still believe it was not a scene from hell feel free to explain how they intended to replace the skin.

  • It says what it says, even though it is diabolical, disgusting and ridiculous. Wilders could have picked many other verses from the Quran or Hadith to show that Mohammed santioned, even required, the torture and killing of unbelievers. Even if you are correct about this one verse (which you aren't), Wilders did not decieve anyone. Whether the hatred and violence towards unbelievers comes from the gods or from men, Islam clearly approves of it.

  • So you are still maintaining that the context is NOT a depiction of hell but actually an instruction for Muslims to burn the skin off non-believers?

    Okay, you have made your stance clear, now explain it. Explain to me how they are supposed to replace the skin which has been burned off in order to make us endure having it burned off again over and over.

    Please explain how 7th century Arabs were to perform this skin grafting (including nerve endings).

    PLEASE, explain it to me.

  • You are repeating yourself, so I will repeat myself. The point is not whether the verse makes any sense or whether anyone could carry it out to the letter; the point is that it clearly says what it says. Furthermore ....

  • .... Wilders could have picked many other verses from the Quran or Hadith to show that Mohammed sanctioned, even commanded, the torture and killing of unbelievers. Wilders did not deceive anyone. Whether the hatred and violence towards unbelievers comes from the gods or from men, Islam clearly approves of it. Other verses talk not about burning but other gruesome methods of killing, e.g. by cutting off limbs, stoning, etc.

  • Perhaps Mohammed got a bit carried away in the verse in question - it's not as if his vision was ever grounded in reality, is it?

  • But *I* said he misrepresented what Muhammad said was God's depiction of hell, and you said it wasn't.

    It clearly is. Read the verses before it. "We" (God) talks about sending people to hell, and their skin will be burned off.

    1: Crappy religions ALWAYS use fire in hell.

    2: If they are ALREADY in hell how can Muslims burn their skin off?

    Once you are happy to admit this IS a depiction of Hell I can outline the next Wilders deception.

  • Since when did "we" mean the same as "God"?

  • If you don't know how "We" means God in the Quran then you know absolutely nothing about it. According to the Quran God made Adam and told the angels to prostrate to him:

    2.34 "And when WE told the angels - prostrate yourselves before Adam".

    It's a royal "We", just as the Queen might say "We are not amused".

    BUT I see yet again you avoid answering my question. How were the 7th century Arabs supposed to perform the punishment of burning off skin and replacing it? Stop avoiding the question.

  • With the help of Ever Mighty and Wise We.

    BTW:- October 13. 2009: "The Asylum and Immigration Tribunal in London has ruled that THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT WAS WRONG to deny populist Dutch politician Geert Wilders entry to the United Kingdom. Mr Wilders planned to show his film Fitna to the British Parliament. The government refused to allow him to enter the UK on the grounds that he represented a threat to public order."

  • "With the help of ever mighty and wise We"

    From that I deduce 2 things

    1: You can see it is an impossible task for them.

    2: You know you are wrong but are too stubborn to admit it.

    In which case I'll spend my time talking to people who look at evidence rather than people who decide what they want to be true.

  • 1. Not impossible. One could start burning, say, the foot, slice off some skin from, say, the scalp, place it on the foot, and when that is good and roasted, slice off some skin from, say, the buttocks, etc.

    2. It does not matter whether I am wrong about this particular verse (and I don't believe I am). The point is that Islam advocates the killing of non-believers.

  • "1: Not impossible"

    So you believe that 7th century Arabs in Mecca had not only the ability to perform skin grafts, but also to repair and re-attach the nerve endings too? Wow, you really do hold them in high regard

    "2: It does not matter"

    Only because you are wrong.

    "The point is...."

    No, the point is that I said Wilders misrepresented SOME verses and you said he didn't. That is the point we are arguing, not some other point you'd like it to be.

  • 1. You need to read that verse again. No mention of skin grafts or re-attaching nerve endings. Also please read what I wrote.

    2. Wilders did not misrepresent any verse. The verse in question sanctions and promotes the torture and killing of unbelievers, however you choose to read it.

  • "NO mention of skin grafts or re-attaching nerve endings"

    4:56 ...We shall, in time, cause to endure fire: every time their skins are burnt off, We shall REPLACE them with new skins, so that they may taste suffering [in full]

    How can the taste the suffering of having their skin re-burned off if the nerves are not also reattached?

    2: I repeat, these are supposed to be a depiction of hell, not an instruction for Muslims to burn off skin. Why not just concede you were wrong about this one verse?

  • 1. (a) I still can't see where it mentions skin grafts or re-attaching nerve endings. 

    (b) If someone was tortured in the way I previously described (in accordance with the verse) the victim would certainly taste some serious suffering.

    2. Again, it does not matter. You are choosing to miss the point, which is that the verse sanctions and promotes the torture and killing of unbelievers.

  • 1: The verse says (paraphrased just for you)

    (We) shall burn off your skin, and then when it is burned off replace it so that you can feel the pain of it being burned off again.

    Once the skin is burned off the nerve endings are destroyed, you need new skin to feel the pain of the fire.

    2: I am NOT missing the point. *MY* point was that Wilders used a depiction of hell in his video, and YOU disagreed, so this is EXACTLY the point.

  • Ditto my previous remarks. You are making up your own verse - that's not what it literally says. But let's assume arguendo that the verse is a depiction of hell. How in your view did Wilders deceive anyone about Islam or about anything?