LA MALDAD NO EXISTE,,,,,, SI ESTAS SEGURO QUE TU DIOS ESTA DE TU PARTE,,,,,,,,,,PUEDES HACER CUALQUIER COSA ESTANDO SEGURO QUE TE ESPERA EL PARAÍSO,,,,CLARO ESTA QUE PARA ESO HACE FALTA LA FE INCONDICIONAL HACIA TU RELIGION
wtf ... que le pasoa hitchens ...los cientificos descubridores del bigbang ahora estan trabajando en la evolucion.....???? dspues de 80 años creen que seguiran trabajndo.....?????
grande dsouza.. el argumento de la materia oscura hasta ahora no eh logrado respuesta de ateo alguno cuando hago la metafora sobre creencias en algo no visible, medible o estudiable.
@jshowa2 If it is important to you then you can either learn Spanish or pay for a professional to give you translated script. That goes for all of the monolingual English speakers here.
@christopheclugston I'm in the middle of learning Spanish but haven't nailed it down which is unfortunate. I really want to see this video. Guess I'll wait
rea! Butt the audio in Spanish should be worked. The translation is often not as good as it should be. There are cases of mistranslations and omissions. I want to watch it just in English.
La traduccion no es la mejor, tienes algunas malatraducciones y omisiones
Quisiera saber si este trabajo puede aparecer solo en ingles.
DESDE 2:15:24 QUE MALA LA TRADUCCION..! Hitchens dice "dios por los ultimo 97 mil años esta (cruzado los brazos).. mirandonos sin hacer nada" y la chica dice 'por 100 años el cielo se ve igual.." Eso CAMBIA el mensaje que Hitchens queria hacer entender al publico.
Las mejores intervenciones de los creyentes (y me atrevo a decir que las mejores del debate, incluyendo a los ateos) fue la D'Souza y lamentablemente no se escuchan en este video. Les recomiendo la versión con el audio original, porque cabe decirlo la traducción es pésima (no es lo mismo traducir las vanalidades de los premios Oscar que argumentos tan complejos como los que aquí se exponen).
@BrotherOmi It's nothing new for an atheist or a theist to use a position of agnosticism for a debate. I know Russell did it - it's the easiest to defend debate-wise and really the easiest to have the most objectivity.
@BrotherOmi In Latin cultures many people do not really differentiate between agnosticism and atheism, the words are interchangeable, both simply mean "one who does not believe in God". I'm saying this because of my perspective here in Brazil, here when I say "eu sou agnóstico" I usually have to make clear the definition of my stance, and since this seems to also be the case with this mexican guy, I extrapolated it to apply to mexican culture as well, which seems plausible to me, I guess.
y de que me sirve saber toda esa barrabasada de las galaxias que hablo hitchens? sin saber por que de seguro no sabe ni de lo que habla ya que no es astronomo ni fisico y si llega a pasar esa barrabasada no voy a estar ni vivo, y dice en la hora 2:22 que ¿tenemos el amor? que es el amor? de donde viene el amor? de que tipo de amor me habla? pues el amor hacia o el aprecio hacia otro que no sea ni mi hermano ni mi pariente ni mi pareja no se conocia si fuera por el judaismo
como puede hablar, harris de espiritualidad si no cree en la trascendencia mas alla de lo material o de esta realidad material?, lo material no puede dar origen a lo espiritual, puesto que lo espiritual es eterno va mas alla no es finito, ¿habla de ideas? como puede obtenerse una idea de lo perfecto si nuestra realidad no es perfecta, de donde se toma esa perfeccion, no puede venir de mi pues no soy perfecto, la idea de lo perfecto viene de algo anterior a mi a quien yo imito
@caremono52 e imito o participo de esa perfeccion de lo que es perfecto en si, el unico perfecto es Dios " sed perfectos como vuestro padre celestial es perfecto" mateo 5:48
@caremono52 en cuanto al los debates sobre Dios, que yo sepa los ateos no cobran al instituto que crea el debate. esta gente decea un mundo sin supersticiones y toman su dinero presisamente de las ventas de sus libros. y los Teistas me imagino que hacen lo mismo, porke ellos quieren la sobrevivencia de estas supersticiones.
navinjohnson90, I just want tae say i pity ye very much, but not tae worry, its not yer fault, what can we expect from such an ignorant yankee as yerself , ye misrepresent the english-speaking world, please do not tell me ye really think ye are more valuable as a human being just because ye faintly attempt tae speak the ENGLISH language, which ye dont by the way, at best ye speak american, but not ENGLISH! I would recommend ye tae learn more languages, and of course finish learning english.
@NavinJohnson90 im sorry ,but i have to replay to your ignorance ,,,,english is not my first language by the way ....as i was saying every educated person knows that there is one superior language and that is clearly not the limited language of english , but the greek language ,and you should also know that there are at list three other languages that are more popular then english in the world economically speaking ,,,dont be a stupid north american ,and inform your self ....
@NavinJohnson90 First. Greece is not the world´s police, you are right because the world has no police, did you know that? Second. What exactly occurs in the brain as a result of speaking english? Did you know that the history has been written in german, russian, greek, french, spanish (and hundreds of other languages) and then translated into english? Read a fucking history book to know more about Aristotle, René Descartes, Immanuel Kant, Miguel de Cervantes, etc. who didnt speak any english.
@NavinJohnson90 First. Greece is not the world´s police, you are right because the world has no police, did you know that? Second. What exactly occurs in the brain as a result of speaking english? Did you know that the history has been written in german, russian, greek, french, spanish (and hundreds of other languages) and then translated into english? Read a fucking history book to know more about Aristotle, René Descartes, Immanuel Kant, Miguel de Cervantes, etc. who didn´t speak any english.
@CMVD777 si vos no matas gente por violar el dia del sabbath significa que sacaste tu moral de otro lugar,aparte,nosotros NO CREEMOS EN SATAN NI EN DIOS
@CMVD777 Dead concept? i think christianity has been dead since the uprising of modern science, religion has lost the argument on allmost everyarea of science.
3. Blasphemies: if anybody will do it, is puniched very soon and anybody is free to try it, even right now! This one can come immediatly or later and it doesn't mean death or going to hospital (but can also happen).
4. In Bible, we find two (2) candidates to be called GOD, but atheists are arguing just with ONE,not with other pretendent.
1. In Bible we find a lot of prophecies which happened and are happening, examples: vatican, midle east, united states, new order etc.
2. If anybody will follow what God asks (ex: praying), everybody will have whatever they want (ask). Note:Praying in a right form,following the INSTRUCTIONS in the Bible (keeping the 10 commandments - including keeping the Saturday as the 7th day etc.).
But I honestly think that the popularity of one language need not threaten one's native tongue. The people can still keep their native language alive. English should not be treated as a superior tongue, but as a means of allowing the different people to communicate.
@kusalaviro u piece of shit!!!!just because u dont have the intellectual faculties to learn other language,does not not mean other languages should be phased out....ENGLISH cant be express certain expression or feeling which other languages do it beautifully....
Siempre la misma discusion con d'souza, y el es el mejor en panel del creationist. Hitchens domina otra vez!! I like this, but my first language=english, second=italian.. some words were hard for me..
Chauvinist, the problem with people like you is that you can take cheap shots and you let your ego cloud rational thought. That is why your only use is to take cheap shots at people. Doing the right thing takes nobility, which is not a part of your nature.
And, Chauvinist, for your information, an attempt was made to create a global language. It is called Esperanto, but it never became popular. It was because English became widespread due to Britain and later the USA. But neither did you, or any sizeable chunk of mandarin speakers, or hindi-speakers, russioans, Nigerians, Malays, Native Americans, etc., took the time to learn it. So why don't you learn Esperanto as a "second language" so that your ego isn't hurt.
But in your silly chauvinistic mind the thought never made a dent that even though an uneducated mandarin speaker wouldn't be benefitted by either a dubbed or a non-dubbed version, an educated mandarin speaker who knew English would. After seeing the video this man could post a comment in Mandarin, which would be understood only by Mandarin speakers, or he could post one in English that would be understood by an English- speaking Bhutanese. And THAT is the argument, my dear Chauvinist.
Also, when you ask me to "learn another language" you really mean Spanish. I don't believe you care about any language but Spanish; and you use the term "another language" to hide your true thoughts.
You ask me to learn a second language. The fact is knowing Mandarin won't help me understand this dubbing. All your arguments are negative in nature and are meant to waste everyone's time. It is easier to post a non-dubbed version of this debate than my attempting to learn Spanish, which would take months. (CONTD...)
However, when it comes to ideas, I believe an effort should be made to translate and ensure that the maximum number of people can understand the ideas, even if the original program was for Spanish audiences. It is what any honourable person should do. (CONTD...)
What you should do is post a version of the talks without dubbing, but with Spanish subtitles if you deem it necessary. That way the rest of the world can understand what the speakers are saying in their own words. Of course, there may have been speakers that spoke in neither Spanish nor in English. But that cannot be helped.
You can suggest the person that post this video whatever you want but the reality is that the conference was held in Mexico, and that is why it is in Spanish, when the conference is held in USA is in English when it is in Germany in German. Just like the movies! So I think you should stop been upset about it and just write to the person to tell him/her that you are interested in a English version so stop your demands it is kind of rude you know.
The fact that people give an argument stating that many people don't speak English is just a silly argument. In this conference people were called from all over the world, but many did speak in English anyway. And if you are so concerned about the non-Spanish world understanding the debates, why don't you post a dubbing in everyone of the foreign languages of the world!
That's people BORN with the language you idiot! You should instead count how many people have english as a secondary language. Like me....i speak swedish and english!
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Swedish is a very lousy language, the way it sounds it's really anoying I undertand why you guys in sweden have to speak english ince you're lenguage is really unpleasant
No, no creo haber perdido ningun argumento, lo que trato de desir es que cuando expones informacion referente a la cantidad de parlantes de cada idioma no das una referencia de la fuente de tu informacion y esto no es nada mas que una muy personal opinion. por cierto my lengua nativa si es ESPANOL
There are many people who don't understand English, I agree; but neither do they understand Spanish. As far as India and China are concerned you can check TED where a conference was given about how people there are learning English. Now people may not understand English, but they certainly don't understand Spanish.
Este debate fue muy bueno, de hecho considero que todo este proyecto de la ciudad de las ideas es grandioso. Ojala hubiera más proyectos de esta clase para que asi la gente se creara argumentos y opiniones mejores y asi avanzar más como humano y como sociedad.
What a great way to limit these discussions to only Spanish speakers! the speakers talk in English, but no one can understand them as someone has decided to block them by bawling in Spanish.
If this discussion is only for Spanish speakers why is the name of this video in English?
Well the conference was done in Mexico so they are translating for Spanish speaking people. I think it is normal if you go to Germany they will do it in German.
You can niecely suggest it but that is all, your postings are kind of rude demanding that it must be in English, the conference was done in Mexico hence it is in Spanish and I speak English and Spanish so I don't care what language it is. Maybe if you learned a second language will be a reasonable request too.
All I am asking is that a non-dubbed version be posted. And in your posts you try to pretend that english is not the de facto global language: that is called jealousy.
Your first argument was that this is meant for Spanish audiences. If that is so than your second argument about the world being full of non-English speaking people is pointless as many non-Spanish speaking people ignorant of English will never understand this dubbing.(CONTD...)
Secondly, English is a language taught to educated people all around the world as it is a de facto global language, no doubt the result of USA's and Britain's dominance of the world at various times.
You are an example of this as you know English and I know English, but I don't know Spanish.(CONTD...)
So to communicate with people of various nationalities, I would be most benefited by knowing English other than Spanish. It is because of English that Indians, Chinese, Europeans, Africans, etc., can post comments on Youtube and be understood by others around the world. (CONTD...)
Your point was that this is meant for Spanish audiences. But that is not the end of the matter. If someone posts a video of his vacation, it is not up to us to demand a translation from this person's native tongue to English: it can only be a request.(CONTD...)
Jasonstarwalker, Your comments about the English language are quite correct. In fact, as we move toward a 'Type one' society, English will no doubt be the dominate language of the planet (however, people will probably speak their own language(s) as well).
I am glad that you see my point. My point is not that English should be spoken . My point is that we are fortunate that there is a language taught to most educated people in the world that we can learn, and so we can communicate. That language happens to be English. Some people do not like that. THAT is silly.
@Jasonstarwalker "Secondly, English is a language taught to educated people all around the world "
Thats not entirely true, since here in germany for example you can choose if you want to learn English or French as a second language. It is true that English is THE language to learn, since it will help you the most in your future life (not always, but most likely). What im trying to say is that there are other languages like French or Spanisch that are spoken around the world, not only Eng.
@dietermauer I agree. Actually the best solution is the one that is going to come in the near future. When Youtube shall install tools to allow us to hear dubbed versions on demand, we should be able to watch and understand speakers whose languages we do not speak. Meanwhile, I think if people all around the world were to accept English as the language to speak, we should all benefit from it.
@anniedec20 Not everyone speaks both languages that you do, which is obviously why you don't care. For your information, not everyone learns Spanish as a second langauge, so maybe you should get out more around the world and spare us your hypocritical arrogant remarks.
I don't know where these morons who say that there are more Spanish speakers than English speakers get their data from. They should omit Brazil which speaks Portugese(200 mill. people)
If not, then include the Philippines(100 mill.) and Nigeria(150 mill) as English speaking countries.
Yo votaría por subtítulos!, para no peder la emoción que trasmiten los oradores. De todas formas muchisimas gracias por compartir este gran debate en youtube!! Excelente material!
I think this is great that such a debate is made accessible to a Spanish speaking audience, considering that Spanish speaking people comprise such a large portion of the global population, and therefore have a large influence on global culture, politics, and philosophical thought. Does anyone know if there is an English format to this video, without the Spanish voice translation?
Con subtitulos al español estaria mucho mejor definitivamente pero gracias por subir este debate aunque estaria mucho mejor si también Richard Dawkins participara en el. Espero que en México existan mas eventos como este en el futuro y se motiven campañas en pro del racionalismo y escepticismo científico asi como el humanismo secular.
NO but the ORIGINAL language of this program is ENGLISH. The frustration comes from the fact that it is not subtitled but dubbed in the most annoying way.
Bravo por los valientes de Harris Dennett y Hitchens que pueden ser influyentes y decir sus posturas en vez de apostarle a la demagogia y al sin sentido.
Válgame y viendo los comentaristas invitados o colados, esto sólo se pone peor. Vaya que a los mexicanos se nos da la demagogia, el reconciliamento sin sentido, la cobardía de no poder decir alguna postura... Divagando por la orilla del universo, dijo alguien
La madre Teresa de Calcutta eh? Aquella gran mujer que perdió su fé al final de su vida por que no podía creer que su Dios podía permitir tanto sufrimiento.
De hecho el libro de Darwin "el origen de las especies" fue prohibido durante el régimen y el lema nazi era "unt gott mit uns" - "dios está de nuestro lado"
Hitler era creyente y creacionista y NO era ateo ni evolucionista. El que alguien diga lo contrario refleja una enorme ignorancia ofensiva y peligrosa. Habrá que huir de los D'Souzas y los Boteach de este mundo.
Hitler era mas inteligente que eso, utilizo al partido cristiano para convencer a los alemanes de elegirlo, pero los Nazis diferian de las crencias cristianas, y quien diga lo contrario no ha leido la historia ni el libro de mi lucha del propio Hitler.
La verdad es que el senor utilizo al partido cristiano social para subir al poder ya que este era el mas popular en Alemania y su partido no tenia oportunidad, de ahi a que el fuera creyente de verdad nadie lo sabe.
amm, Hitler nació dentro de una familia Romana Católica y nunca ocultó su motivaciones religiosas. De hecho, lo gritó a los cuatro vientos, puse algunas de sus citas con su fuente...
"Yo creo hoy, que estoy actuando según la voluntad del Creador Todopoderoso. Al eliminar los judíos, peleo por el trabajo del Señor" Hitler Reichstagspeech 1936
"Escuelas seculares no deben ser toleradas, pues no tienen instrucción religiosa y una instrucción moral general sin una base religiosa está basada en la nada... necesitamos a gente creyente" Nazi-Vatican concordant speech, 26 de abril de 1933
Wright = o el arte de parlotear mucho y no decir nada. Fue especialmente quijotesco ver como según le respondía a todos. Creí estar viendo al Bombero Atómico... sólo que con menos sustancia.
Para terminar voy a poner alguno de Hitler sobre la evolución y su supuesto Ateismo...
Ahhmm..no you are actually wrong there my friend. Well YES...there are more native speaking spanish people but there are over 2 BILLION people that speaks english as a second language and from birth.
Someone posted that many speakers in the world don't speak English. Ok, but do tell me how many countries have English papers or websites providing information in English? I think there are several countries that do.
English has well over 500 million speakers if you include second and third language speakers, Spanish has 417 million if you include those two categories. The numbers that you have selected represent only the native speakers of that language.
Que ojete que la mayoria de las opiniones sobre este video sean a cerca del maldito ingles y como es que la gente que habla ingles no va a hablar otra cosa jamas.
Sera acaso porque los expositores hablan solamente ingles y la traduccion fue my pobre y confusa pues compite con el volumen de las voces de los expositores, y es una pena que un debate como este el cual tiene en su gran mayoria un buplico que habla ingles comparado con el que habla espanol. Es frustrante
Son molestas esas traducciones, a veces la traductora se detiene y tengo que poner atencion al inglés y cuando vuelve a hablar la traductora no se a quien ponerle atención, si dicen que la ciudad de las ideas es de importancia mundial no se porque ponen traducciones, aun sin traducción estaría mucho mejor y sería mas fácil de compartir. Déjenle la traductora a los que asisten (se ve que la necesitan xD) es una lástima ver vacío el auditorio y los que están tienen una cara de aburridos
WHAT an idiot you are... will you EVER have the brains to learn another language? probably not, More spanish people speak english that english speaking people sepeak spanish... (or ANY other language!)
So avoid your ignirant comments please! IDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!!
Daniel Dennett: ¿si te deshaces de la religion que vas a poner en su lugar? MORAL, racional, secular jajajajajaja
SIRCAMPEADOR 1 week ago
É um assunto interessante a muitas pessoas, eu pessoalmente não entendo o espanhol mas o inglês é fácil.
haikiri2011 1 month ago
La traducción es terrible, ojalá dejaran el Inglés original y solo pusieran subtitulos
araujosetable 3 months ago
UNA PATADA EN LOS HUEVOS A LA RELIGIÓN
FUCK YEAH
GabrielBerbel1997 4 months ago
WRONG NASSIM TALEB FAGGOTS!
HillcrestCapital 4 months ago
qUE PESIMA TRADUCCION DE LA PRIMERA TRADUCTORA
0DINNN 4 months ago
se dejo de escuchar en el 1:16:05 hora
betoon 6 months ago
@betoon Y EN EL mINUTO 1:17:20 REGRESA EL AUDIO
0DINNN 4 months ago
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0DINNN 4 months ago
tengo que encotrar eso en ingles. puedo entender un poco espanol pero no puedo eschar por 2 horas. Algien sabe donde peudo encontrarlo?
Nolansan 7 months ago
ESTE PROGRAMA ES EXTRAORDINARIO DEBERÍA HABER MAS POR EL MUNDO
xxinoski 7 months ago
LA MALDAD NO EXISTE,,,,,, SI ESTAS SEGURO QUE TU DIOS ESTA DE TU PARTE,,,,,,,,,,PUEDES HACER CUALQUIER COSA ESTANDO SEGURO QUE TE ESPERA EL PARAÍSO,,,,CLARO ESTA QUE PARA ESO HACE FALTA LA FE INCONDICIONAL HACIA TU RELIGION
xxinoski 7 months ago
eN EL EVENTO ESE DA ESTA TRADUCCION O SOLO SE DAN EN INGLES?
coyotezero77 7 months ago
wtf ... que le pasoa hitchens ...los cientificos descubridores del bigbang ahora estan trabajando en la evolucion.....???? dspues de 80 años creen que seguiran trabajndo.....?????
XTNCITOCITO 7 months ago
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grande dsouza.. el argumento de la materia oscura hasta ahora no eh logrado respuesta de ateo alguno cuando hago la metafora sobre creencias en algo no visible, medible o estudiable.
XTNCITOCITO 7 months ago
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XTNCITOCITO 7 months ago
CHRISTOPHE CLUGSTON IS A FRAUD. HE STEALING THE IDEAS OF OTHER MENS SELLING THEM AS HIS OWNS.
RudeFroggyFrench 8 months ago
@jshowa2 If it is important to you then you can either learn Spanish or pay for a professional to give you translated script. That goes for all of the monolingual English speakers here.
christopheclugston 8 months ago
@christopheclugston I'm in the middle of learning Spanish but haven't nailed it down which is unfortunate. I really want to see this video. Guess I'll wait
BillFright666 7 months ago in playlist DEBATE-Hitchens, Harris, Dennett vs Boteach, D'Souza, Taleb.
rea! Butt the audio in Spanish should be worked. The translation is often not as good as it should be. There are cases of mistranslations and omissions. I want to watch it just in English.
La traduccion no es la mejor, tienes algunas malatraducciones y omisiones
Quisiera saber si este trabajo puede aparecer solo en ingles.
NAVEGANTESOY 9 months ago
for fuck sake. people dont realize how annoying it is when someone is speaking over the person who speaks your language.
evilresidence4 9 months ago
DESDE 2:15:24 QUE MALA LA TRADUCCION..! Hitchens dice "dios por los ultimo 97 mil años esta (cruzado los brazos).. mirandonos sin hacer nada" y la chica dice 'por 100 años el cielo se ve igual.." Eso CAMBIA el mensaje que Hitchens queria hacer entender al publico.
Sankevso 9 months ago
Las mejores intervenciones de los creyentes (y me atrevo a decir que las mejores del debate, incluyendo a los ateos) fue la D'Souza y lamentablemente no se escuchan en este video. Les recomiendo la versión con el audio original, porque cabe decirlo la traducción es pésima (no es lo mismo traducir las vanalidades de los premios Oscar que argumentos tan complejos como los que aquí se exponen).
alterius18 10 months ago
*Afirmación, proposición, argumento, NO "reclamación".
darienCR 10 months ago
There is not a version without the simultaneous Spanish translation?
Any way thanks for the upload.
NeanderSFU 11 months ago
Oh Ye of little faith! BELIEVE in the one true "CHRIST", "CHRIST"-opher Hitchens, that is!
MagnetoMasterOfEvil 11 months ago
the moderator claimed that Hitchens is agnostic... just wanted to point that out...
BrotherOmi 1 year ago 18
@BrotherOmi It's nothing new for an atheist or a theist to use a position of agnosticism for a debate. I know Russell did it - it's the easiest to defend debate-wise and really the easiest to have the most objectivity.
Audiofalcon7 1 year ago
@BrotherOmi In Latin cultures many people do not really differentiate between agnosticism and atheism, the words are interchangeable, both simply mean "one who does not believe in God". I'm saying this because of my perspective here in Brazil, here when I say "eu sou agnóstico" I usually have to make clear the definition of my stance, and since this seems to also be the case with this mexican guy, I extrapolated it to apply to mexican culture as well, which seems plausible to me, I guess.
dannytibi 4 months ago
is there a life Before death? hay una vida Antes de la muerte? el mejor comentario de la charla
justathough 1 year ago
Dinesh D'Souza,excelente intervención y debate.
verdadinfinita 1 year ago
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Do not worry, in less than 100 years they will be saying the same thing in Mandarin, the next universal language.
apresesco 1 year ago 10
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apresesco 1 year ago
y el amor por los enemigos no se conocia antes de Cristo, de que amor me habla?
caremono52 1 year ago
y de que me sirve saber toda esa barrabasada de las galaxias que hablo hitchens? sin saber por que de seguro no sabe ni de lo que habla ya que no es astronomo ni fisico y si llega a pasar esa barrabasada no voy a estar ni vivo, y dice en la hora 2:22 que ¿tenemos el amor? que es el amor? de donde viene el amor? de que tipo de amor me habla? pues el amor hacia o el aprecio hacia otro que no sea ni mi hermano ni mi pariente ni mi pareja no se conocia si fuera por el judaismo
caremono52 1 year ago
como puede hablar, harris de espiritualidad si no cree en la trascendencia mas alla de lo material o de esta realidad material?, lo material no puede dar origen a lo espiritual, puesto que lo espiritual es eterno va mas alla no es finito, ¿habla de ideas? como puede obtenerse una idea de lo perfecto si nuestra realidad no es perfecta, de donde se toma esa perfeccion, no puede venir de mi pues no soy perfecto, la idea de lo perfecto viene de algo anterior a mi a quien yo imito
caremono52 1 year ago
@caremono52 e imito o participo de esa perfeccion de lo que es perfecto en si, el unico perfecto es Dios " sed perfectos como vuestro padre celestial es perfecto" mateo 5:48
caremono52 1 year ago
que manera de ganar plata estos viejos con estos debates
caremono52 1 year ago
@caremono52 en cuanto al los debates sobre Dios, que yo sepa los ateos no cobran al instituto que crea el debate. esta gente decea un mundo sin supersticiones y toman su dinero presisamente de las ventas de sus libros. y los Teistas me imagino que hacen lo mismo, porke ellos quieren la sobrevivencia de estas supersticiones.
dreadedhalo 1 year ago
Thanks to Hitchens talking about exploding stars, now I can stop and imagine various stars exploding at any moment across the universe.
achooothanks 1 year ago
English, do you speak it. what does marcelus wallace look like? what did dennet just say?
capitalcontested 1 year ago
@capitalcontested what minute:second?
MABG76 1 year ago
El debate fué en Puebla, en que año?, se va a repetir?.
Saludos.
arvmetal 1 year ago
Parabéns aos mexicanos. O México sempre na vanguarda do pensamento latino americano. Parabéns.
pigdogmeu 1 year ago
Is there a version without translation?
Ryosuke1208 1 year ago
navinjohnson90, I just want tae say i pity ye very much, but not tae worry, its not yer fault, what can we expect from such an ignorant yankee as yerself , ye misrepresent the english-speaking world, please do not tell me ye really think ye are more valuable as a human being just because ye faintly attempt tae speak the ENGLISH language, which ye dont by the way, at best ye speak american, but not ENGLISH! I would recommend ye tae learn more languages, and of course finish learning english.
Avner920307 1 year ago
maldita traductora, locutora. o lo que sea, qué mal!
dariogmg 1 year ago
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motucordis 1 year ago
Well if the video isn't going to be in English, don't make the title in English, so I will know not to click on it.
NavinJohnson90 1 year ago
@NavinJohnson90 the title is in spanish
nadahistorical 1 year ago
@nadahistorical Well it's also in English.
NavinJohnson90 1 year ago
@NavinJohnson90 how do you say color in english?
nadahistorical 1 year ago
@nadahistorical That's pretty irrelevant. And racist.
NavinJohnson90 1 year ago
@NavinJohnson90 you call color, color in english. do you know how to say banana in english?
nadahistorical 1 year ago
@nadahistorical Clearly I do, because English is the superior language.
NavinJohnson90 1 year ago
@NavinJohnson90 errr...okay then, opinions are fine :)
nadahistorical 1 year ago
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@nadahistorical You're so lame.
NavinJohnson90 1 year ago
@NavinJohnson90 im sorry ,but i have to replay to your ignorance ,,,,english is not my first language by the way ....as i was saying every educated person knows that there is one superior language and that is clearly not the limited language of english , but the greek language ,and you should also know that there are at list three other languages that are more popular then english in the world economically speaking ,,,dont be a stupid north american ,and inform your self ....
gjkhkl 1 year ago
@gjkhkl Ha! Don't make me laugh. If Greek is superior to English, how come Greece isn't the world's police?
NavinJohnson90 1 year ago
@NavinJohnson90 ....and America is.
Obviously, there's something that occurs in the brain as a result of speaking English natively, that makes someone more valuable as a human being.
NavinJohnson90 1 year ago
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@NavinJohnson90 First. Greece is not the world´s police, you are right because the world has no police, did you know that? Second. What exactly occurs in the brain as a result of speaking english? Did you know that the history has been written in german, russian, greek, french, spanish (and hundreds of other languages) and then translated into english? Read a fucking history book to know more about Aristotle, René Descartes, Immanuel Kant, Miguel de Cervantes, etc. who didnt speak any english.
blekzo 1 year ago
@NavinJohnson90 First. Greece is not the world´s police, you are right because the world has no police, did you know that? Second. What exactly occurs in the brain as a result of speaking english? Did you know that the history has been written in german, russian, greek, french, spanish (and hundreds of other languages) and then translated into english? Read a fucking history book to know more about Aristotle, René Descartes, Immanuel Kant, Miguel de Cervantes, etc. who didn´t speak any english.
blekzo 1 year ago 5
5. Mostly atheist, are against GOD's morality and justice but never refer the same to other candidate: satan.
6. Bible maintans evolution after creation, earth have billions of years etc.
Atheism is a dead concept.
CMVD777 1 year ago
@CMVD777 si vos no matas gente por violar el dia del sabbath significa que sacaste tu moral de otro lugar,aparte,nosotros NO CREEMOS EN SATAN NI EN DIOS
HerrTony21 1 year ago
@CMVD777 Dead concept? i think christianity has been dead since the uprising of modern science, religion has lost the argument on allmost everyarea of science.
Ryosuke1208 1 year ago
3. Blasphemies: if anybody will do it, is puniched very soon and anybody is free to try it, even right now! This one can come immediatly or later and it doesn't mean death or going to hospital (but can also happen).
4. In Bible, we find two (2) candidates to be called GOD, but atheists are arguing just with ONE,not with other pretendent.
CMVD777 1 year ago
God exist! evidences:
1. In Bible we find a lot of prophecies which happened and are happening, examples: vatican, midle east, united states, new order etc.
2. If anybody will follow what God asks (ex: praying), everybody will have whatever they want (ask). Note:Praying in a right form,following the INSTRUCTIONS in the Bible (keeping the 10 commandments - including keeping the Saturday as the 7th day etc.).
CMVD777 1 year ago
Alguien sabe si hay una versión igual sin traducir?
jorgeponce 1 year ago
felicito por el video,pero podrian cambiar por otro con mejor traducion,les agradeceria infinitament.
reyzangano999 1 year ago
Terrible translation.
Pésima traducción.
SacnothXIII 1 year ago
But I honestly think that the popularity of one language need not threaten one's native tongue. The people can still keep their native language alive. English should not be treated as a superior tongue, but as a means of allowing the different people to communicate.
Jasonstarwalker 2 years ago 27
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@Jasonstarwalker Other languages are a waste of time and should be phased out. English ONLY! The only PROPER language...
kusalaviro 10 months ago
@kusalaviro u piece of shit!!!!just because u dont have the intellectual faculties to learn other language,does not not mean other languages should be phased out....ENGLISH cant be express certain expression or feeling which other languages do it beautifully....
charmme1 9 months ago
@charmme1 You're just jealous that you can't express yourself well in a REAL language like mine...
kusalaviro 9 months ago
Some people hate the fact that English is so widespread and not their native tongue.
Jasonstarwalker 2 years ago
Some people just hate!
krouper01 1 year ago
some people just hate, don't they jason?.........
krouper01 1 year ago
Siempre la misma discusion con d'souza, y el es el mejor en panel del creationist. Hitchens domina otra vez!! I like this, but my first language=english, second=italian.. some words were hard for me..
CantankerousTrencher 2 years ago
Si vuelven a hacer debates de religión, estaría fantástico que participara Richard Dawkins.
bleusarang 2 years ago 2
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EdificationNetwork 2 years ago
Today is the birthday of L. L. Zamenhof, the man who invented Esperanto.
Jasonstarwalker 2 years ago
Good thing i'm Honduran living in Canada so i know Spanish and English (= LOL buddy two comments under me is a gimp
dopeskies 2 years ago
Ese rabino no tiene idea de como funcionan las mutaciones. Todos tenemos mutaciones geneticas.
Y según D'Souza Creer es equivalente a Evidencia... pobre tipo...
nyarlotep 2 years ago
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Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
realcuteguyyayiyayi 2 years ago 5
Chauvinist, the problem with people like you is that you can take cheap shots and you let your ego cloud rational thought. That is why your only use is to take cheap shots at people. Doing the right thing takes nobility, which is not a part of your nature.
Jasonstarwalker 2 years ago
And, Chauvinist, for your information, an attempt was made to create a global language. It is called Esperanto, but it never became popular. It was because English became widespread due to Britain and later the USA. But neither did you, or any sizeable chunk of mandarin speakers, or hindi-speakers, russioans, Nigerians, Malays, Native Americans, etc., took the time to learn it. So why don't you learn Esperanto as a "second language" so that your ego isn't hurt.
Jasonstarwalker 2 years ago
So if you can do something to help me understand this conference, do so. Don't make stupid arguments.
Jasonstarwalker 2 years ago
But in your silly chauvinistic mind the thought never made a dent that even though an uneducated mandarin speaker wouldn't be benefitted by either a dubbed or a non-dubbed version, an educated mandarin speaker who knew English would. After seeing the video this man could post a comment in Mandarin, which would be understood only by Mandarin speakers, or he could post one in English that would be understood by an English- speaking Bhutanese. And THAT is the argument, my dear Chauvinist.
Jasonstarwalker 2 years ago
Also, when you ask me to "learn another language" you really mean Spanish. I don't believe you care about any language but Spanish; and you use the term "another language" to hide your true thoughts.
Jasonstarwalker 2 years ago
You ask me to learn a second language. The fact is knowing Mandarin won't help me understand this dubbing. All your arguments are negative in nature and are meant to waste everyone's time. It is easier to post a non-dubbed version of this debate than my attempting to learn Spanish, which would take months. (CONTD...)
Jasonstarwalker 2 years ago
However, when it comes to ideas, I believe an effort should be made to translate and ensure that the maximum number of people can understand the ideas, even if the original program was for Spanish audiences. It is what any honourable person should do. (CONTD...)
Jasonstarwalker 2 years ago
If it is an argument for spanish dubbing that there is more Spanish speakers than English speakers why isnt it dubbed in Mandarin fucking dumbasses??
BTW english version sucks I cannot hear a word even on max volume
Mysio 2 years ago
What you should do is post a version of the talks without dubbing, but with Spanish subtitles if you deem it necessary. That way the rest of the world can understand what the speakers are saying in their own words. Of course, there may have been speakers that spoke in neither Spanish nor in English. But that cannot be helped.
Jasonstarwalker 2 years ago
Besides how much effort would it take to post a non-dubbed version?
Jasonstarwalker 2 years ago
You can suggest the person that post this video whatever you want but the reality is that the conference was held in Mexico, and that is why it is in Spanish, when the conference is held in USA is in English when it is in Germany in German. Just like the movies! So I think you should stop been upset about it and just write to the person to tell him/her that you are interested in a English version so stop your demands it is kind of rude you know.
anniedec20 2 years ago
The fact that people give an argument stating that many people don't speak English is just a silly argument. In this conference people were called from all over the world, but many did speak in English anyway. And if you are so concerned about the non-Spanish world understanding the debates, why don't you post a dubbing in everyone of the foreign languages of the world!
Jasonstarwalker 2 years ago
Here is a list of the major speakers:1. Mandarin 885 million speakers
2. Spanish 332 million speakers
3. English 322 million speakers
4. Bengali 189 million speakers
5. Hindi 182 million speakers
6. Portuguese 170 million speakers
6. Russian 170 million speakers
8. Japanese 125 million speakers
9. German 98 million speakers
10. Wu 77 million speakers
Jasonstarwalker 2 years ago
That's people BORN with the language you idiot! You should instead count how many people have english as a secondary language. Like me....i speak swedish and english!
Salladsdressing 2 years ago
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Swedish is a very lousy language, the way it sounds it's really anoying I undertand why you guys in sweden have to speak english ince you're lenguage is really unpleasant
jormorcastan 2 years ago
Ahh....the sound of a guy loosing an argument! Isn't it nice!? ;)
Salladsdressing 2 years ago
No, no creo haber perdido ningun argumento, lo que trato de desir es que cuando expones informacion referente a la cantidad de parlantes de cada idioma no das una referencia de la fuente de tu informacion y esto no es nada mas que una muy personal opinion. por cierto my lengua nativa si es ESPANOL
jormorcastan 2 years ago
Good that i am a peruvian living in Sweden and speak english as well! :)
guely55 2 years ago
There are many people who don't understand English, I agree; but neither do they understand Spanish. As far as India and China are concerned you can check TED where a conference was given about how people there are learning English. Now people may not understand English, but they certainly don't understand Spanish.
Jasonstarwalker 2 years ago
Este debate fue muy bueno, de hecho considero que todo este proyecto de la ciudad de las ideas es grandioso. Ojala hubiera más proyectos de esta clase para que asi la gente se creara argumentos y opiniones mejores y asi avanzar más como humano y como sociedad.
StoneTemplePilot94 2 years ago
What a great way to limit these discussions to only Spanish speakers! the speakers talk in English, but no one can understand them as someone has decided to block them by bawling in Spanish.
If this discussion is only for Spanish speakers why is the name of this video in English?
Jasonstarwalker 2 years ago
Well the conference was done in Mexico so they are translating for Spanish speaking people. I think it is normal if you go to Germany they will do it in German.
anniedec20 2 years ago
The answer is to post a non-dubbed video in addition to the dubbed one. I believe that is not unreasonable.
Jasonstarwalker 2 years ago
You can niecely suggest it but that is all, your postings are kind of rude demanding that it must be in English, the conference was done in Mexico hence it is in Spanish and I speak English and Spanish so I don't care what language it is. Maybe if you learned a second language will be a reasonable request too.
anniedec20 2 years ago 14
All I am asking is that a non-dubbed version be posted. And in your posts you try to pretend that english is not the de facto global language: that is called jealousy.
Jasonstarwalker 2 years ago
You tube is to share videos, if the video is dubbed so be it. Do not watch it and end of the story or even better learn a second language.
anniedec20 2 years ago
Your first argument was that this is meant for Spanish audiences. If that is so than your second argument about the world being full of non-English speaking people is pointless as many non-Spanish speaking people ignorant of English will never understand this dubbing.(CONTD...)
Jasonstarwalker 2 years ago
Secondly, English is a language taught to educated people all around the world as it is a de facto global language, no doubt the result of USA's and Britain's dominance of the world at various times.
You are an example of this as you know English and I know English, but I don't know Spanish.(CONTD...)
Jasonstarwalker 2 years ago
So to communicate with people of various nationalities, I would be most benefited by knowing English other than Spanish. It is because of English that Indians, Chinese, Europeans, Africans, etc., can post comments on Youtube and be understood by others around the world. (CONTD...)
Jasonstarwalker 2 years ago
Your point was that this is meant for Spanish audiences. But that is not the end of the matter. If someone posts a video of his vacation, it is not up to us to demand a translation from this person's native tongue to English: it can only be a request.(CONTD...)
Jasonstarwalker 2 years ago
Jasonstarwalker, Your comments about the English language are quite correct. In fact, as we move toward a 'Type one' society, English will no doubt be the dominate language of the planet (however, people will probably speak their own language(s) as well).
pillsareyummy 2 years ago
I am glad that you see my point. My point is not that English should be spoken . My point is that we are fortunate that there is a language taught to most educated people in the world that we can learn, and so we can communicate. That language happens to be English. Some people do not like that. THAT is silly.
Jasonstarwalker 2 years ago
@Jasonstarwalker ffffffffffff
mpedrick07 1 year ago
@Jasonstarwalker "Secondly, English is a language taught to educated people all around the world "
Thats not entirely true, since here in germany for example you can choose if you want to learn English or French as a second language. It is true that English is THE language to learn, since it will help you the most in your future life (not always, but most likely). What im trying to say is that there are other languages like French or Spanisch that are spoken around the world, not only Eng.
dietermauer 1 year ago
@dietermauer I agree. Actually the best solution is the one that is going to come in the near future. When Youtube shall install tools to allow us to hear dubbed versions on demand, we should be able to watch and understand speakers whose languages we do not speak. Meanwhile, I think if people all around the world were to accept English as the language to speak, we should all benefit from it.
Jasonstarwalker 1 year ago
@anniedec20 Not everyone speaks both languages that you do, which is obviously why you don't care. For your information, not everyone learns Spanish as a second langauge, so maybe you should get out more around the world and spare us your hypocritical arrogant remarks.
Torchmark 11 months ago
Ah and the title is not in English Debate and Vs are two spanish words that happen to be the same in English probably because the latin root.
anniedec20 2 years ago
I don't know where these morons who say that there are more Spanish speakers than English speakers get their data from. They should omit Brazil which speaks Portugese(200 mill. people)
If not, then include the Philippines(100 mill.) and Nigeria(150 mill) as English speaking countries.
clarkanorak 2 years ago
Yo votaría por subtítulos!, para no peder la emoción que trasmiten los oradores. De todas formas muchisimas gracias por compartir este gran debate en youtube!! Excelente material!
Mon4ch0 2 years ago
El Gran Eskeptico! Ese va a ser mi nobre nueva!
Gungfuwarrior 2 years ago
Holly fuckin shit. 2 hours to kill.
Cr8zyCanuck 2 years ago
Goddamn voice over.
Shut up lady, I can't understand a thing they're saying. =P Too good for subtitles, are we? ;)
rickballance 2 years ago
Theirs an English version you know.
DSD1v57BG32 2 years ago
The audio is really low, though. All the speakers are in english, that what matters anyway. :)
Gungfuwarrior 2 years ago
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I think this is great that such a debate is made accessible to a Spanish speaking audience, considering that Spanish speaking people comprise such a large portion of the global population, and therefore have a large influence on global culture, politics, and philosophical thought. Does anyone know if there is an English format to this video, without the Spanish voice translation?
alphacause 2 years ago
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alphacause 2 years ago
vaya vaya vaya muy buen debate doy un 10, i still 10, men's awesome,
dnatnt007 2 years ago
Con subtitulos al español estaria mucho mejor definitivamente pero gracias por subir este debate aunque estaria mucho mejor si también Richard Dawkins participara en el. Espero que en México existan mas eventos como este en el futuro y se motiven campañas en pro del racionalismo y escepticismo científico asi como el humanismo secular.
krisangel23 2 years ago
Finally we have it in English version!
LaCiudaddelasIdeas 2 years ago
Thank god!
hehehe
drniebla 2 years ago
Check out video id -hnqo4_X7PE - it's without dubbing.
Locateson 2 years ago
NO but the ORIGINAL language of this program is ENGLISH. The frustration comes from the fact that it is not subtitled but dubbed in the most annoying way.
StudJockDude 2 years ago 4
Bravo por los valientes de Harris Dennett y Hitchens que pueden ser influyentes y decir sus posturas en vez de apostarle a la demagogia y al sin sentido.
eurabio 2 years ago
Válgame y viendo los comentaristas invitados o colados, esto sólo se pone peor. Vaya que a los mexicanos se nos da la demagogia, el reconciliamento sin sentido, la cobardía de no poder decir alguna postura... Divagando por la orilla del universo, dijo alguien
La madre Teresa de Calcutta eh? Aquella gran mujer que perdió su fé al final de su vida por que no podía creer que su Dios podía permitir tanto sufrimiento.
eurabio 2 years ago
De hecho el libro de Darwin "el origen de las especies" fue prohibido durante el régimen y el lema nazi era "unt gott mit uns" - "dios está de nuestro lado"
Hitler era creyente y creacionista y NO era ateo ni evolucionista. El que alguien diga lo contrario refleja una enorme ignorancia ofensiva y peligrosa. Habrá que huir de los D'Souzas y los Boteach de este mundo.
eurabio 2 years ago
Hitler era mas inteligente que eso, utilizo al partido cristiano para convencer a los alemanes de elegirlo, pero los Nazis diferian de las crencias cristianas, y quien diga lo contrario no ha leido la historia ni el libro de mi lucha del propio Hitler.
anniedec20 2 years ago
"Hoy como antes, soy(Hitler) católico y siempre permaneceré siendo tal" Adjunto Gerhard Engel de la SS, octubre 1941
y finalmente para la estupidez que dijeron de Hitler y la evolución:
"El anti-semitismo del nuevo movimiento(Cristiano Social) fue basado en ideas religiosas y no en conocimiento racial" Hitler en su libro Mein Kampf.
eurabio 2 years ago
La verdad es que el senor utilizo al partido cristiano social para subir al poder ya que este era el mas popular en Alemania y su partido no tenia oportunidad, de ahi a que el fuera creyente de verdad nadie lo sabe.
anniedec20 2 years ago
amm, Hitler nació dentro de una familia Romana Católica y nunca ocultó su motivaciones religiosas. De hecho, lo gritó a los cuatro vientos, puse algunas de sus citas con su fuente...
eurabio 2 years ago
"Yo creo hoy, que estoy actuando según la voluntad del Creador Todopoderoso. Al eliminar los judíos, peleo por el trabajo del Señor" Hitler Reichstagspeech 1936
"Escuelas seculares no deben ser toleradas, pues no tienen instrucción religiosa y una instrucción moral general sin una base religiosa está basada en la nada... necesitamos a gente creyente" Nazi-Vatican concordant speech, 26 de abril de 1933
eurabio 2 years ago
Wright = o el arte de parlotear mucho y no decir nada. Fue especialmente quijotesco ver como según le respondía a todos. Creí estar viendo al Bombero Atómico... sólo que con menos sustancia.
Para terminar voy a poner alguno de Hitler sobre la evolución y su supuesto Ateismo...
eurabio 2 years ago
Este debate fue decepcionante, lastimoso y patético.
Decepcionante por que los religiosos no estuvieron a la altura y dijeron la misma palabrería sin sentido que encuentras en cualquier sermon cristiano.
Boteach = este pequeño monigote tratando de apelar a las emociones y distorcionar los datos. Vaya estupideces que decía de la evolución.
D'Souza=Este tipo fue especialmente triste, miente y distorciona por malvado o por ignorante?
...
eurabio 2 years ago
es de totales retrogradas el doblar un idioma a otro. subtitulos es la opción civilizadas.
eurabio 2 years ago
FUCKING SPANISH
Darklordabc 2 years ago
more people in this planet speaks spanish than english, just for your info douchebag
jormorcastan 2 years ago
speak spanish, not speaks
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jormorcastan 2 years ago
Thanks alot grammar nazi,
Do you have any answer to my original satatement?
jormorcastan 2 years ago
Yeah all the poor people, the richies speak the noble language of english
Darklordabc 2 years ago
noble language of english?.... FUCKING SPANISH
jormorcastan 2 years ago
Wrong.
JpForum 2 years ago
1. Mandarin Chinese - 882 million
2. Spanish - 358 million
3. English - 350 million
4. Arabic - 206-422 million
5. Hindi - 181 million
6. Portuguese - 178 million
7. Bengali - 173 million
Do your homework
jormorcastan 2 years ago
Ahhmm..no you are actually wrong there my friend. Well YES...there are more native speaking spanish people but there are over 2 BILLION people that speaks english as a second language and from birth.
Most of them coming from China and India.
Salladsdressing 2 years ago
Have you talk to this people? because I work with them and believe me they do not speak English that you can understand.
anniedec20 2 years ago
Look, their lack of knowledge of English is no reason to exclude those who CAN speak english from listening to what these people are saying.
Jasonstarwalker 2 years ago
Someone posted that many speakers in the world don't speak English. Ok, but do tell me how many countries have English papers or websites providing information in English? I think there are several countries that do.
Jasonstarwalker 2 years ago
English has well over 500 million speakers if you include second and third language speakers, Spanish has 417 million if you include those two categories. The numbers that you have selected represent only the native speakers of that language.
JpForum 2 years ago
RIGHT
jormorcastan 2 years ago
Que ojete que la mayoria de las opiniones sobre este video sean a cerca del maldito ingles y como es que la gente que habla ingles no va a hablar otra cosa jamas.
zettofdarkness 2 years ago
I agree with you, those ignorants need to learn spanish. Fcuk those OGTs
drniebla 2 years ago
Fcuk or Fuck
jormorcastan 2 years ago
Sera acaso porque los expositores hablan solamente ingles y la traduccion fue my pobre y confusa pues compite con el volumen de las voces de los expositores, y es una pena que un debate como este el cual tiene en su gran mayoria un buplico que habla ingles comparado con el que habla espanol. Es frustrante
jormorcastan 2 years ago
Son molestas esas traducciones, a veces la traductora se detiene y tengo que poner atencion al inglés y cuando vuelve a hablar la traductora no se a quien ponerle atención, si dicen que la ciudad de las ideas es de importancia mundial no se porque ponen traducciones, aun sin traducción estaría mucho mejor y sería mas fácil de compartir. Déjenle la traductora a los que asisten (se ve que la necesitan xD) es una lástima ver vacío el auditorio y los que están tienen una cara de aburridos
drniebla 2 years ago
OMG... will spanish the speaking people LEARN TO READ already! :(
Use SUBTITLING! You'll even learn some english subconsciously while watching. Vid destroyed by a bi** babbling over the debaters..
ydyammo 2 years ago
WHAT an idiot you are... will you EVER have the brains to learn another language? probably not, More spanish people speak english that english speaking people sepeak spanish... (or ANY other language!)
So avoid your ignirant comments please! IDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!!