The Protestant Reformation

[SteveD042661]

Some news for protestants. I'm on the finance committee for my local parish. We are not rich. We get no "secret" funds from the Vatican. We barely have enough to help support our homeless shelter and keep the lights on. I am also familiar with the finances of several parishes in our diocese....the same story. Where is all that secret Vatican money?  I think maybe it doesn't exist except in some peoples' heads.

[shortybig50]

catholics can marry royals hoorah!

[womanwonder10]

@fundie2008 Whatever. Is it fundie as in fundamentalist? If so, you are crazy enough to truly "through the baby out with the bath water", aren't you?! Read your Bible with your eyes and your heart open. Oh, the piety of the judgemental--how wrong you are. Evangelicals are the real Bible followers!!

[womanwonder10]

@kvn276 Your ignorance will not save you. And I'm not being a smart-ass! Maybe in your jaded life it is hard 2 believe, but people who know God's warm, beautiful love do care. You need Jesus Christ, sinner, just as I do!!

[womanwonder10]

@lippertism Catholic, atheist, or what are you? Get over it. Luther did God's will! And millions followed his lead. Still do! You should, too! Don't be a HATER!!

[womanwonder10]

AcaiBunch Luther got it right! He saved Christendom from the papacy's vicious lies. Calvin was somewhat a cruel man (with too much power 4 his own good) who had some strange beliefs that cannot be supported by the Bible, e.g., double predestination, and others............

[fundie2008]

a false religion can't be reformed

christianity was killed after the Council of Nicea, after the murder of Arius

[jeshualivesforever]

God bless the Reformer!

[lippertism]

Marten Luther, John Calvin, and John Wesley are ass holes for inventing the protestant church

[kvn276]

Martin luther wanted only to get attention feom people, thats why he made a fake religion

[DelBluenose80]

@kvn276 If he wanted attention he couldve pulled his pants down. Instead he wanted to correct the wrongs and evils of the Church of Rome. This was a great man and i thank God for him and for Protestantism that has saved me from the unGodlyness of the Vatican, which is unquestionably the most evil organisation ever spewed into existance

[kvn276]

@DelBluenose80 The Catholic Church is the only church that Jesus himself established, he din't wanted thousands of other doctrines that came from Protestanism. The most evil organization in existance?!! really, who told you radical idea?!! If you really know about the CC, you would love her, first of all, the CC has always help society, right now is the largest charitable organization in the world, and helped develop education, science, morality, not even Atheist can object this.

[DelBluenose80]

@kvn276 Really? Crusade, war, torture, inquisition, murder, child abuse, black and native south american slavery, genocide, anti-semitism, Nazi collaboration, censorship, totalitarianism, subjigation, extortion and believe me the list go's on!!!

Hardly things you would expect to label a christian organisation with, but all true when it comes to the Vatican. But dont take my word for it do the research before you message me back and have your own eyes open to the truth.

PROTESTANTES AMENT

[kvn276]

@DelBluenose80 Yes really. I knew you would get the anti-catholic prejudice card, first of all religious Christian wars is only less than 3%, and don't be a hypocrite that Protestanism had done bad things, like the persecution/execution of Catholics and more. For your information the CC is least in pedophilia and Cover-ups, meaning although we are the biggest denomination, we are the least offenders. Nazi coloboration?! please! Do you even know how many Jews did the pope saved?!!!!

[kvn276]

@DelBluenose80 I'm a Catholic Apologetic and researcher and I know what I'm talking about, in fact, I was agnostic until I discovered the truth. The Vatican has done more good than bad, that's a fat FACT, even many atheist donate to the CC because they know that we focus on world development, even the CC was the one that founded the College system. The Inquisition was a really bad thing, but the truth is that the governments of that time were the ones managing executions, not the church

[DelBluenose80]

@kvn276 dont try and be to clever. You are correct in saying the authorities carried out the executions, only because the church could not be seen to be carrying out such acts. They were handed over to the authorities by the church after horrific torture on the understanding these people were to be put to death. Lets not try and be cute about it, the church knew they were sending people off to their deaths.

[kvn276]

@DelBluenose80 You are very confuse, the authorities/queen of Spain, sent a petition to the pope so that he could approve it, but the whole inquisition was not mainly to torchure "heretics" it was to catch the muslims/jewish people who converted to Catholicism to get advantages that catholics had, but the system was secular not from monks. The church only did trials and they were given chances, and if then handed to the authorities.

[DelBluenose80]

@kvn276 And you say that the Church has done more good than bad! How can you say that when the CC sits on a fortune that would go quite some way to erradicating third world debt. A point worth noting as most of the church's followers live in abject poverty within the third world in south america, africa and asia!

How anyone can be an apologist for this organisation is beyond me. They operate as a bloody protection racket and frankly its sickening and has been for hundreds of years

[kvn276]

@DelBluenose80 Please, do really think that the Church is rich??!! do you know were does the pope live?!!! he lives in a small apartment, with no TV, no stereo and very little personal items. The only rich about the Vatican is its ART inside Vatican collected over hundreds of years, most of the money that the Vatican gets goes to Charity and helping developing this world, you can't imagine how much the Church has help. You should be thankful for everything good they have done.

[DelBluenose80]

@kvn276 If thats what you believe then there is really no point in continuing our chat, The Vatican hold many many very rich business interests across the planet. This is a very rich and powerful organisation my friend and its wealth stretches far beyond works of art and charity contributions. Open your eyes

[kvn276]

@DelBluenose80 you know what, yes theres no point of continuing because you already brained-washed by anti-catholic prejudice, theres many things in the internet that are not true and to make people hate in the Catholic Church. The Church might be able to raise a couple of billion dollars by selling everything but that would soon be gone and the world would not be much better off. Especially if mankind does not change for the better. You really need to stop seing those hate videos and websites.

[KevinR3i]

@kvn276 SO WHAT IF THEY FEED THE POOR? BUT THEY DONT FEED THEIR Soul and spirit with Gospel!

[AcaiBunch]

Interesting fact, Luther was reading Romans when he learned he had been trained wrong. "Here I stand, I can do no other. So Help me God!"

John Calvin did not establish the religion of Calvinism. It was established after his death. o.O All John Calvin did was point out portions of Scripture that corrected some people's beliefs.