MEXICATH is the true name.AZTEC is the name of the last groups of people that made into TENOCHTITLAN then the capital city of MEXICO.the intention to call,"aztec,"the great civilization already established in MEXICO was and still is a way to distance/separate the true inhabitant( MEXICAH)from bieliving that we were and are the same people that created this civilization thus taking away our identity and create confusion.do not believe what the history books say about the MEXICAZ. we r the MEXICAZ
Mexicas (both white & brown) stole Apaches' land and sold it to Europeans. Many years later, Mexicas formed a klan (Mexica Movement), still pretending they have not done anything to the Apaches, trying too hard to say that it was the whole white race that sold Apaches' land. Telling everyone they are on their land... after they realized it was Apaches' land, they came up with this... the whole continent. For those who disagree with them is a racist, uncle tom, and a sell-out.
You are quite the character. European terrorist colonized and enslaved the Mexca and The Apaches'. Therefore are highly responsible. Question: What does The Mexica (Meh-shee-kah) falsely called Aztecs video have to do with your comment? Nothing of the sorts.You claim to be Native Ixachitlan. Where do you stand? You either stand for European Terrorism, domination and oppression or you stand with your people. Wake up sleeping warrior.
@arcyfatale Wake up? Do you want to know how wide awake I am? Europeans had been breeding with Natives years ago and still are... regardless of rape, fooling around behind the bush, or love. Now where do I stand? Europeans or Native Americans? We cannot go back and fix that. In another 300 - 500 years, everyone will be a mutt because the whole world is a melting pot. Why split myself in half and pick a side when I can simply be a Texan? Therefore I will defend Texas as a Texan.
@arcyfatale When the Mexica Movement demanded an apology for the crimes Europeans had done, I would be more than happy to apologize, however.... they also have European blood and it would be like me apologizing to Europeans too. It does not matter what color you are, theres European blood everywhere. Even Chris Rock thought he was 100% black, and he made a joke "and I've been making fun of white people all these years".
Why point fingers at whites when their blood is in you too?
Raped blood would be considered tainted blood. This must be acknowledged. Remember, there was no unification. Let's be realistic, Europeans owe an apology to the indigenous people of the so-called Americas for the atrocities of their ancestors. Who invaded whom??? An abolishment of Columbus Day and Thanksgiving (which is a slap on the indigenous face) could be a start. Replace these two inappropriate holidays to a Native "so-called" American significance and dignity Day.
@arcyfatale PT1 - Early 1400s, MesoAmericans/Mexicas had been trying to take over the Southwest. They wanted Tenochtitlan to rule the tribes of the SW. The Apaches & other SW tribes refused to be civilized by the Mexicas or MesoAmericans. Long story short, 100 years later Cortes/Spaniards took over, bred w/ the Mexica, gained power, pushed the SW tribes a little up north (thats why the today's Mexicas are claiming the SW is their land).
@arcyfatale PT2 - Then about 340 yrs later, Europeans from the other side (East) took over the SW quicker than the Mexicas had been trying to take over for years (as stated in Geronimo's book). Now why is the Mexica Movement & their people are demanding an apology when they gave Europeans a 100 years head start of killing/taking over the SW tribes? Will Olin and his movement apologize to the tribes of the SW? Nah, they would rather pretend it didnt happen & point fingers at whites.
@MaceNaui4Prizes hahahaha! white blood is in me right?? yea and its LATIN blood. you dont have that. and it was not romanticized in us. it was forced raped into us. hahaha and what we have white blood so that makes the white blood powerful??? what about our Native blood just ignore it?? our victimized family members would love that. lol. so why dont dark Spaniards call them selves Arabs why dont they convert to islam?? thats what they are. hmmm they claim white? lol they wish
I don't live in Mexico. There's always an upper class. What does this have to do with The Mexca falsely called Aztecs???? Your comments are irrelevant to the matter at hand.
Of course there's an upper class of people in power over the allocation of our resources and colonial governmental control. You are a racist. We claim Mexica heritage and it bothers you. Why is that? Why do you racist have to always instinctively knock our Mexica heritage on a daily basis?
@arcyfatale you guys are not mexica, you guys do not all come from Mexico City or am i wrong? your parents probably come from western central mexico, states where there are no mexica
Now how does the Mexica Moverment plan to lower the 50% dropout rate,end teen pregnancy,racism etc ?
Also it's good to know that Asians have the lowest dropout rate,the lowest teen pregnancy rate, and the lowest crime rate,so you can see it's not a "white" thing.
In American cinema The Italian-American Mafia is glorified. I don't support Mara Salvatrucha and their activities. Europeans over killed our ancestors by 95% enslaving the remaining 5% replacing us with the Nigerians. As far as the Mexican population rate.. we have to replace the billions of innocent lives lost by European terrorism. We must survive.
And yes, a good solid education is mandatory. We must know our past, to understand the present so we will know where we are going in the future.
You are stereotyping Mestizos. Mestizos(Chicano if you will) is a term to describe a person of mixed racial ancestry of mixed tainted European and Native American ancestry. I don't like to categorize Europeans as "white people" because "white" means free from moral impurity as in innocent. When a read European history, all I see is bloody RED.
@arcyfatale I couldn't agree with you more about European,Chinese,Native American,and Arab ( which is still happening as we talk) history of violence.
Violence is violence no matter who does it.But you didn't answer my question, "How does the Mexica Moverment plan to lower the 50% dropout rate,end teen pregnancy,gang violence,racism etc ?
And please, don't try to justify the acts of chicanos acting like animals by point at European or any other ethnic group's history. continue
are you talking about the cartel violence in Mexico? Or the many chicanos that break into cars and houses here where I live?
What European terrorism? How is that the Europeans fault?
There are many mestizos that actually make something of themselves, there are mestizos that own businesses BUT,many (if not all), are robbed at gun point by chicanos. How is that the Europeans fault?And when are chicanos gonna take responsibility for their own actions?
@arcyfatale - Thanks for clearing up that question. We always thought that you simply like to see all of the little tan " mini me's " walking around the barrios displaying their inherent lack of morals , education & civility toward their neighbors ( the real citizens of the USA ) to the north that overtook the land and built it into the job generating system that it was. Just as your " people " have done to mexiscum they are now trying to do to MY COUNTRY. YOU'RE UGLY - MOVE ON ! :-)
"We???" How many personalities do you conceive? You are blocked for your ugly racist silly comment that displays no accuracy but false misinterpretation of the innocent indigenous people on our beloved continent. However, your comment will not be deleted due to "public" correspondence. Nican Tlaca and friends must witness there are miserable people out there like you who speak out of lack of education and ignorance. Have a wonderful day.
@arcyfatale if thats the case then why do you want to be a mexica? mexicas were nothing more than invaders, terrorist and killers, thats why they were the most hated tribe in all of mexico and its thanks to my people the Purepechas, we killed them off with the spaniards
There's no truth to this. Natives are hard working people. I rarely see a lazy native unless he/she is disabled. And as far as dropping out of school, perhaps it's the politics, racism, cultural castration and oppression Europeans instinctively abuse them with. I mean, that's the plan, right???? To tear them and break them down destroying their self-confidence and esteem
so they can get to picking, cleaning, gardening and building right???Sounds like slavery to me.
@arcyfatale When I refer to natives, I refer to the Mestizos with more native figures.
And no,it is not the white man or the black man or the asian man at fault, it's the native looking mestizos who rather live a gangster lifestyle ( pimping hoes, guns,drugs,and impregnating girls at a young age) then actually stay in school an earn a education,I see it ALL THE TIME here in Texas ( I'm a white looking mestizo by the way)
Also, many native looking mestizos are VERY racist towards the white looking mestizos,white mexicans,pure natives that come from Southern Mexico and Guatemala,blacks, asians,and whites.
And who's to blame for their choice of living a gangster lifestyle?
I hope we both could agree that education is the foundation for success in life.
Remember, that there were White skinned tribes also living in Anahuac alongside and in peace with the other tribes prior to the arrival of the Modern, genocidal White Europeans. They were slaughtered along with everyone else. There needs to be a tribunal of every individual White man and woman to determine their nature. Those that will not abandon the genocidal system that White Europeans installed and in which they participate will be expelled.
@Khantaakh there were also green skinned booger people and magical pink fairies living in Anna-whack prior to the invasion of Pasty McGee and the Four Tops
1980vince wrote: arcy i see your page your white people,
Oh, I don't know all about that. Never really met any white people all my life. White is free from moral impurity as in innocent. The closes you are going to get to white people are newborn babies of all colors or the lame that are closer to GOD. Thanks for the complement. I'm not innocent.
@99cacahuate Dude, I'm white and most of my friends are as well, and I can honestly say none of us give a shit what you are learning. We're too busy being wage slaves and trying to feed our families. If there is some kind of conspiracy than it is at a much higher level than the average white person, because the average white person only wants what every other average person is looking for... a way to provide food, shelter, and clothing for their family.
@b0ondockz One can ACKNOWLEDGE racism without making it an excuse. You have a problem with people acknowledging racism, but you just need to deal with it because that is reality and people have a right to express their grievances about that.
@arcyfatale Huh? What kind of fucked up fantasy land do you live in? Do you want to elaborate on this stupid metaphor you keep using? It's pretty fucking ridiculous.
@arcyfatale No, unfortunately this is not your land. Europeans were here first. I suggest you watch Ice Age Columbus when you're done watching cartoons.
@arcyfatale Keep believing your Mexican fairy tales then, they are pretty amusing. Europeans aren't going anywhere, so if you don't like it in America go to Mexico. You won't go there because it sucks there, you rather stay here and try to take what the white man created. Maybe if you stopped watching cartoons and got off your fat Mexican ass you could do something productive instead of complaining and trying to free load LoL! Most Mexicans would probably look down on you hahaha!
Even though it's good you're spreading the truth about history of the Americas,but the whites have came,saw and conquered the Americas and its natives.Also the vast majority of Spanish-speaking peoples of Latin America including the Mexica Movement have Spanish blood tainted in our veins.Also the Mexica Movement should mention that the Inca and Mexica Empire used to capture the other tribes and used them for Human Sacrifices in which were killed by the thousands.
@arcyfatale,well I told them that they're tainted with Spanish blood, to just go with the flow of history and about the human sacrifices.They replied to me by saying only ignorant racists they don't reply and basic told me to fuck off.
@arcyfatale,what I meant to say is that there's nothing you can do to turn back the past before 1492.The Natives had the population and the weapons to kill off the white settlers but they didn't so we're living under the white man's ever since.About the tainted European blood,what I meant to say is that because of the rape done by the white man,we're part of that and we're scarred for life and you've to live with it whether you like it or not.
@arcyfatale Also the human sacrifices were real.I know it's hard to admit it but it really happened.They also enslaved raped the women of the other tribes.We as all human beings have our hands dirty one way or another.The only difference is that white people did it in a larger scale.
~I heard many taboos on our Nican Tlaca religion. It would be interesting if MM would do a lecture on the human sacrificing. If there's any truth to this. Remember, Europeans rewrote our history. It's quite possible Europeans used this to discredit and demonize us. Christianity was the driving force that killed us. So in other words, sacrificing unto their Jesus. And then again, what kind of rituals are the illuminati practicing behind closed door???
@98bigbutt 90% of blacks in the US are mixed with caucasians. Spain was occupied by the Moors for almost 800 years, you think they didn't inter mix? I bet you can tell the difference between a spaniard and a sweedish person? lol. YET! you dont see them trying to claim or someone retain some sort of SICK pride that they're ancestors were raped and that's why they're mixed? Even if "human sacrifices" existed in Anahuac, so what? The Romans, french, english(which burning) did it, and more exte
@mexica104 Actually, who do you mean by "WE'RE NOT AZTECS"? Your name is Mexica right? that means you ARE Aztec...ever hear of the Uto-Aztecan ethno-linguistic group? The Ute, Paiute, O'odham, Comanche, Shoshoni, Hopi, Luiseno, etc. are all descendants of the Azteca, it's in their oral tradition...Anyway, you shouldn't all lump "us" together, you know, cuz if you are Yaqui, then you are Aztec, but if you are Mazahua, you are not.
@EndemicEpistemology AGAIN! if i had hair, i'd be pulling it out! Aren't you trying to lecture me about how i can't be naming other people? Now, you're telling me what I AM? NIMEXIHCATL! AHMO AZTECATL
@mexica104 If you are Mexica then you descend from the Azteca...sounds like somebody is not proud of his roots, okay, whatever floats your boat...I guess your ancestors never left Aztlan to migrate to present-day Mexico City. Let me see, isn't that Nahuatl? you are Mexican not Aztec? but yet you can clearly speak Aztecatlahtolli?
@EndemicEpistemology come on, again! you're gong to tell me what i am? I know that the mexica were first the Aztecs. Ok, but the same way you tell me not to imply my beliefs on others (not that i was) dont do it to me. i don't speak Nahuatl, nor do I know how to write it. Why are you so defensive? I was trying to offer my help. i just wanted to explain what the MM is trying to do. What's so hard to understand? oh and stop telling me what i am, i know what i am and where i come from!
@mexica104 I am glad you know who you are and where you came from, BUT If you told me you were Hispanic or Latino AND you looked like Tlahtoani Cuauhtemoc, I would be encouraged to tell you that you are NOT Hispanic or Latino even if that offends you, so if I tell you that you are ethnically Azteca, please don't take offense for even Azteca is more of a symbol of unity than Mexica because Azteca covers the Shoshoni and the Comanche and the Ute and many others but Mexica does not.
@EndemicEpistemology Thank you, and i'd do the same to you. But, as you well know, i'm not confused, and although i understand your OPINION. I disagree with it. Mexican, as you already know, is Mexica in English. Everyone in Mexico, is already calling themselve's Mexica, except they aren't pronouncing it in Nahuatl.
@mexica104 Actually, you are confused. The ONLY reason they are calling themselves "MEXICANO" in the first place is because the SPANIARDS imposed that identity on the entire population. They could have imposed the Mazahua identity and we would instead be arguing about reconstructing the "Mazahua culture" and language...or they could have imposed a Purepecha identity and we would be arguing about "reconstructing" the Purepecha culture...you don't see it?
@EndemicEpistemology EXACTLY! incase you don't remember, i'm the one that mentions that the criollos are the ones that united us under Mexicanos. No, we wouldn't, because the friars didn't document every aspect of the Mazahua, or the Purepecha life and culture, they did with the Mexica.
@mexica104 Once again, why would you rely on Europeans to reconstruct an indigenous culture? Shouldn't you go to the Purepecha and the Mazahua? You are trying to build straw pyramids. You, who mentioned the Criollos united "us" under Mexicanos but yet you advocate by MM to do the same? Why? Go to the Purepecha. Go the the Wixarrika. They don't need cultural "reconstruction", they need basic necesities like water, electricity, seeds, land, and educational opportunities, they need SECURITY
@EndemicEpistemology Who's relying on Europeans to reconstruct our culture? another question i think will never be answered, lol. Because unlike the Criollos imposing a foreign culture, the Mexica culture is Native to this land. Dispite what you think of people not needing cultural reconstruction. Our idependence from Europe WILL include religious liberation. And you well know that most the indigenous community still are brain washed in Catholicism.
No, we are not all Mexica. Who is he to say I am Mexica? I am from Xalixco, we are desdended from Azteca and Purepecha. The Mexica, known also as the Tenochca migrated to the valley of Mexico from Aztlan, Mexica indeed are Azteca, that is where the name comes from. Azteca comes from Aztlan. The Azteca spread to the 4 corners after the invasion of the Dineh and Apache and are now known as Shoshone, Hopi, Paiute, Comanche, Tongva, etc.
I guess for me its fundamentally hard to imagine how these people think (its not just them but humanity as a whole), they are so obsessed with their race and culture, they identify with their ancestors as much as they do with themselves, but to me their culture and everything their obsessed with is just a mere whisper in the face of existence and all the cosmos, humanity is fractured and segregated and people like Olin (along with "conservatives") they only propagate the segregation of humanity
@TeamFortressKilla that's because Olin and his compadres suffer from a terrible case of insecurity and identity issues. The Mexica Movement doesn't realize how much they have in common with white nationalists. In fact, they are counterparts. Like the MM, white nationalists constantly see themselves as victims, obsess over extinct civilizations("We weren't alive back then, but it must have been better!") and stress for racial purity. I debated one member who was against interracial marriage
@mexica104 AnahuacWomenFight, DecolonizeAnahuac and other supporters have repeatedly made statements casting aspersions on "nican tlaca" marrying others. They make it tantamount to treason, which, again, shows how the MM's thinking is so similar to the white supremacists they reputedly oppose so much. It says a lot about someone if they're willing to tell other people who they should and shouldn't marry.
@ChronicFallacy If you don't mind, give me the link where the Mexica-Movement make this allegation? I've been a long supporter of the MM, and i've never heard them make such allegations.
One day, the Aztecs held a great party in their capital Tencochtitlan to welcome the unknown Spainiards. They sacrificed 20,000 slaves to Huitzilopochtli (Naui's 10x great-grandfather) in one day, all without a conveyor belt or even a wheel! Huitzilopochtli was greatly pleased at the sight of the 20,000 freshly beating hearts, and let the sun rise again.
The Spaniards, however, became upset for some reason and kidnapped Montezuma.
Im a Totonaca indian I live in Monterrey now and I dont know what you guys complain about, The Government in Mexico helps the poor with outreach programs. we got 29% poverty rate and its going down, you are not citizens of Mexico so you pochos stay in America, WE Mexicans will fix OUR country as we please. the past is the past get over it were a modern industrializing country with the 12th largest economy. if you think your correct come fight us. I would gladly defend my nation from pochos.
hey. i'm with you slapking. chicanos here complain about their race and culture all the time, but what have they done for people in mexico? there is nothing about the land here that's more wealthy over there. it's the people that create wealth. businesses and workers, regardless of race, they make wealth.
@CuauhtIatohuac misnaming our people? which people? which people are being misnamed according to you? If you call the the OTOMI by that name, you indeed are misnaming them because they call themselves: Hñähñú, Hñähño, Hñotho, Hñähü, Hñätho, Yųhų, Yųhmų, Ñųhų, Ñǫthǫ or Ñañhų...or if you call the Tarahumara by that name, it's also wrong, they are Raramuri...or the Tarasco, they are Purepecha. We are NOT Mexica.
"Aztec" is not the correct term. Mexica is, for those particular people. The unifying term would be Nican Tlaca, or the equivalent of that in any other of our languages.
People have right to voice thier opinions. and yes there are many morons that I am not responsible for. This video clip is for educating purpose. I support Mexica-Movement in all positive ways so yes, I have a right to voice my opinion like everybody else. btw, I am always there. hence the video you just watched.
if you were not there, you have no right to talk shit.
` See I analyze everything in detail. You just said; "thanks for joining the presentation last week! it's always great to see you and your family in the audience" then you state; if you were not there, you have no right to talk shit. Which is it. Was I there or Was I not there?
and last but, not least. if we are going to be liberated it starts with us. we must unite instead of divide. How is a baseball/football team going to win if the team is in war with itself??? you should study the divide and conquer algorithm.
@arcyfatale Unite under the Mexica-Movement flag? I DON'T THINK SO. What about under the Aymara flag? or the Mapuche flag? or Mohawk flag? If you want true unity, you have to have a pluri-cultural Federation that is also pluri-lingual. To unite under one flag just leaves out the hundreds of others.
I don't like to see Nican Tlaca in war with each other. Take Lupe Moreno and Raymond Herrera for example. Yes they are vendidos. Vendidos out of ignorance. With proper education they might come around. Lupe Moreno and Raymond Herrera FIGHT ON THE VERY SIDE THAT WILL eventually KILL THEM.
Mexica can be a default for those of us who have lost our lineage or language. Personally, I don't think it is helpful to get caught up in the semantics of it. There are very good reasons that we use Mexica, and we make it clear that we want to unite people and that being Mexica does not take away from being anything else.
@arcyfatale A start is to go to your roots. Where does your family come from, how long have they lived there? Are they indigenous to there or did they migrate from somewhere else. Many people from Oaxaca have also lost their lineage and roots, but why would they identify with Nahuatl speaking people when they are most likely Otomangue? A person from Nayarit is not Mexica, he is probably Cora or Wixarrika. A person from Chihuahua probably Raramuri, DO THE RESEARCH!
@EndemicEpistemology They have. All of this people are already united with that word anyway. Except it's pronounce in spanish. Mexicanos? Heard of the Country? Mexicano comes from the word Mexica, or is it to difficult to make the connection?
@mexica104 NO mames WEY, yo naci en Zapopan y me hablas de que si he escuchado la palabra Mexicano? La cosa que no entiendes es que hay Mexicanos en Quintana Roo, Yucatan y en Chiapas que NO SON etnicamente Mexicanos, si tu le preguntas a un Maya de Chiapas que si es Mexicanos te va a decir que NO, te va a decir que es Tzotzil o Chol o Tzeltal, igual si hablas on un Purepecha...por favor, visita mi pais antes de decirme algo que obviamente no entiendes al menos que hayas nacido y crecido aqui.
@EndemicEpistemology no mames? hoy ah este guey! lol Si tu mismo estas diciendo lo que te esta tratando de decir. "La cosa que no entiendes es que hay MEXICANOS en Quintana Roo, Yucatan y en Chiapas que no son etnicamente Mexicanos". Yo no estoy alegando que la etnia de la gente del pais de Mexico. Yo te estoy diciendo que todas las etnias ya estan unidas con la nacionalidad de Mexicanos. Y yo e visitado muchas veces a Mexico, no te pongas a prejuzgar si no sabes!
@mexica104 jejjee, no te agüites vale, no es pa' tanto. Estamos unidos bajo la nacionalidad de Mexicanos, pero tampoco se te olvide que esa identidad fue impuesta hacia nosotros por los Criollos...te acuerdas cuando Mexico se libero de los Hispanos en 1820? Pues tambien los Dineh eran "Mexicanos", pero cuando los Gringos nos invadieron, dejaron de ser Mexicanos y fueron "Native American"... las identidades que son impuestas por gobiernos no siempre son los mejores, tal es el caso de Mexico.
@EndemicEpistemology EXACTAMENTE! Y como yo se, que Mexicano es simplemente Mexihcatl en Nahuatl. No entiendo por que me alegas que por que unirnos bajo el Nombre o cultura de los Mexicanos. Si ya lo hicimos. Bueno los Criollos nos unieron bajo ese nombre, pero te lo mensiono a ti por que estas renuente a entender. Mira ya, vez que inteligente to oyes cuando hablas sin juzgar? No estamos para estar peliendo oh alegando con nosotros mismos. Busquemos la solucion! no los detalles de los pro
@mexica104 Cuachi, yo solo estoy respondiendo a tus comentarios. Yo no te estoy alegando ni peleando, yo solo pongo mi punto de vista. BUSQUEMOS Solucion pues! But in order for us to find solutions we have to agree to include federally recognized and non-federally recognized Aboriginies.
@EndemicEpistemology GRACIAS! por fin. Busquemos una solucion, lo mas inteligente que as dicho. OF COURSE! OF COURSE! WE CAN AGREE. THAT'S WHAT I'D DO, AND I'M POSITIVE THAT'S WHAT THE MM IS TRYING TO DO ALSO. No se de onde sacas que, queremos quitarle la cultura o lenguages a nuestra gente. En lo que creo que no estamos de acuerdo. Es en como vamos hacerlo. Unete, oh empieza un movimiento con mejores ideas que las de MM? A la mejor me uno con tigo. yo soy de Jiquilpan Michoacan.
@mexica104 Lo mas "inteligente" que he dicho? Asi te quieres llevar conmigo? TODO lo que te he dicho lo he dicho con inteligencia, asi que parale ahi compa. Yo no tengo que unirme a nada. Los que se quieran unir a mi se hacen mis amigos, los que no pues asi se quedan. Yo soy de Xalixco, por eso me llamo Xalixco
@EndemicEpistemology No todo lo que me as dicho, me haz dicho con inteligencia. Por lo menos en mi opinion. Si tu prefieres pelear solo, eso es to decision. Eres del Sur de jalisco?
@mexica104 Vale, la neta, el que no ha hablado con mucha inteligencia eres tu. No te das cuenta lo que estas apoyando? Lo que tu propones es imponer la identidad Mexica al igual que la impusieron los Hispanos. No necesitamos mas imposiciones, no te das cuenta de eso? Necesitamos unidad, no necesitamos que una organizacion trate de hablar como si fuera el representate de los Indigenas de Anahuac. Si quieres hacer el cambio, empieza por vivir con los Indigenas que todavia practican su cultura.
@EndemicEpistemology HOY nomas! como te pones a opininar lo que propongo si ni te has molestado en preguntarme? Tu nomas estas prejusgandome. Como sabes que apoyo? Los Criollos ya nos impusieron el nombre y en sierto grado, tambien la cultura y costumbres Mexica. Ay un problema con que Mexico y todas sus culturas esten unidas? Mira, gracias, pero yo voy a ser mis contribuciónes de mi manera. Yo convivo con indigenas todos los dias, por si querias saber. Ya que no te gusta hacer preguntas.
@mexica104 btw, if you are from Jiquilpan, Michoacan, you are most likely Purepecha...why are you so concerned about reconstructing the culture of your ancient ancestors enemies? I mean, I know that it's all about unity and all that, but, if you are Purepecha, maybe you should focus on your Purepecha culture, they were after all, never conquered by the Mexica...just a suggestion. also, I have a friend, Sipajpe, who you should look up, he is truly knowledgable about our People.
@EndemicEpistemology Actually not. Xiuquilpan as you can probably tell is Nahuatl for "sobre anil" or something like that. the Purepecha invaded and occupied Xiuquilpan in 1450. You're from Jalisco, aren't you probably Otomi or Huichol? Oh yeah, where can i find him? Is you're name Niko?
@mexica104 My name is Xalixco. Actually, in the hundreds of years of war between the Mexica-Tenocha and the Purepecha, the little town of Xiuquilpan was one of those cities with Purepecha inhabitants but with Mexica influence due to attempts to colonize and conquer the Purepecha. Saying that Xiuquilpan is not Purepecha just because of the Nahuatl name is like saying that San Juan Buenaventura is not Mexicanero just because its a Spanish named town. I'm probably Otomi, yeah, and Wixarrika too
@EndemicEpistemology Hmmm, i dont' remember the Mexica totally sorrounding the Purepecha Nation. I know that was their intentions, since they were repelled on Axayacatl attempt to invade Michhuacan. Michhuacan is a better example than San Juan Buenaventura by the way. There isn't much on Xiuquilpan history, but the few accounts of the town have all been consisted with it being a Nahuatlaca town, and being conquered by the Purepecha in 1450 if i remember correctly.
@mexica104 I've already implied all my ideas in my posts, but you misunderstood them as "opinions" ;)
idea # 1: The fastest way to teach people their language is through indigenous revitalization and immersion programs.
idea # 2: The fastest way to unify people is to give them their basic needs, when their basic needs are met, they are most likely to unify...look @ Mexico...need #1 is Security.
idea # 3: Create structures of empowerment and indigenous epistemology
@EndemicEpistemology Really? this is the first time I've seen these? So far, #1 is good. #2 is good also. #3 is great also. Now, explain to me how you're going to do all of this when 60% of Mexicans (central americans, and S.americans) are mixed with european? Non of them think or want to acknowledged that they're Indigenous? Good plan though. Perhaps you're missing what the MM is trying to accomplish first. Find our Identity first.
@mexica104 if you keep thinking about blood quantums you are going to continue living in a Eurocentric mindset. blood quantums are a European invention...so whether we are 1% or 99% we are still Chichimeca.
as to people acknowledging their indigenous identity, you have to understand that some indigenous cultures of Mexico for example will not accept you as indigenous anymore if you go live in the city. so, if you leave your community and go live in the big city, you are no longer indigenous
@EndemicEpistemology I think you are looking for is Nican Tlaca, Chichimecas were the people that weren't civilized to the Mexica. How little you know of History, "RACE" or 100% indigenous was non-existing before the Invasion. I could be 99% caucasian, but if I claim to be Mexica, and i'm raised Nican Tlaca. Nobody could tell me i'm something else but Mexica. That is the most retarted jusitfication why not to be labeled Indigenous? lol In fact, that's a little racist in your behalf!
@EndemicEpistemology ok, we have more! lol, good, who's writting system are you going to choose? I'd pick the Mayan. Who's number system are you going to choose although i think it was pretty much universal in "mesoamerica". #6 good also. #7 is GREAT! #8? is a little confusing, is this one under present goverments? #9 is also confusing. same question as number 8.
idea # 2236: Form committees asigned to go into Barrios, villages, towns, cities, counties, states, and countries for the purpose of meeting the needs of those places and coming up with solutions for those needs together
idea # 2237: Unite under the mutual understanding that we are all different nations, tribes, and peoples; make it so that whatever identity or banner is chosen for this Federation that it may represent ALL peoples, tribes, and nations in their own language.
@EndemicEpistemology #2236 is Calpulli's if i remember correctly, good. #2237 is great also, but i'd lean more to a confederations rather than a federation. You see, if you would ask, you'd see that i agree with most of what you want to see happen. With some exemptions. A confederation is what the Mexica had before the European invasion. Even though i agree that every nation(not tribes) should have their own language, I'd vote for nahuatl to be the unifying language of the New confederation
@EndemicEpistemology when the day comes, i'm sure our descendants are going to figure out what Indigenous language we should unify under. My vote is Nahuatl.
@CuauhtIatohuac I'm sorry to disagree with you. It's a default to those who don't want to learn their true heritage and language. If you are from Michoacan, you are most likely Purepecha. Why would you claim Mexica lineage when you can re-claim your Purepecha heritage as well as language? It's all about doing your homework. The Nahuatl speaking people in Mexico don't even call themselves "Mexica", they call themselves "Macehualli" and they call each other "Cuachi".
@EndemicEpistemology No one is suggesting you just speak Nahuatl and learn the mexica culture. MM i believe is just suggesting it as a base culture. Can you reconstruct the Purepecha culture? how? The point is to free ourselves from Eurocentric thinking, culture, and language, etc etc. That Nahuatlaca of Mexico don't called themselves Mexica, because they probably don't know. They're more liable to call themselves "Aztecs". macehualli is a word for all commoners. you might be confused on
@mexica104 The Purepecha culture is well and alive right now in the State of Michoacan...they still speak their language, still have their own foods, drinks, dances, and traditions...actually, Macehualli means "indigenous" in the context of what they call themselves...Have you ever talked to a real Nahuatlahto IN MEXICO? Please, visit first, because one thing is to hear it from MM and the other is to actually hear it from a fellow Cuachi, I say this with much respect.
@EndemicEpistemology In that context, perhaps. But if i know the correct term. Why not correct them. yeah, I have. it's called my family! and yes, i see all the respect poring out into my lap top screen.
@mexica104 If you truly want to understand the indigenous mind from Mexico, you have to talk with them, eat with them, drink with them, work with them, play with them, and live with them...not just read about them, or watch videos on them, or listen to their music...you have to be friends with them...and by this I mean those who still speak their language fluently and live in their communities...aske them.
@EndemicEpistemology I AM INDIGENOUS! I DON'T NEED TO ASK ANYONE ELSE. i don't need you to tell me how to connect to blood! I'm trying really hard, and if i have already, i'm apologizing, but you make really hard not to insult you. Here you are. Telling me what i can and can't do with my unification effort, but at the same time. You want me to do, what perhaps, you had to go thru? It's senseless! Never mind that you don't even know me. How do you know what i want? ASK! it's ok to ASK!
@CuauhtIatohuac It's not about Semantics, it's about taking the time to know where you come from and who you are. There are 62 indigenous groups in Mexico and over 300 indigenous dialects. Why would a Tlaxcalteca want to identify as "Mexica" when they are NOT Mexica? Umbrella categories are a mistake. Lumping people together under "default" identities is wrong, why do you think Hispanic and Latino is wrong? because they are umbrella categories. It doesn't get to the root of the issue.
@EndemicEpistemology There's no problem taking the time to learn where you came from. But then what? You suggesting we become more divided? You mean 300 LANGUAGES, right? Dialects are a version or accent of a language, they're not a language on their own. Well why does a Tlaxcalteca call himself a Mexican now? It's Mexica, just pronounce in Spanish. Yes Lumping people in FALSE Identities is wrong. It's never wrong when we're trying to unite us.
@mexica104 There is noting wrong with the Mazahua wanting to retain their own culture, language and dress...any imposition of the Mexica identity, language, and culture would only create a state of rebellion in the Mazahua...what needs to be done is respect each other's culture, language, etc...just like Mesomerica was united. Dialects are variants of the same language, for example, Pipil is a dialect or variant of Nahuatl.
@EndemicEpistemology There isn't, but unless they can get it like it was before 1492, they'll never have Independence. Like i've said before, you're letting your prejudice jump the gun here. I don't think you've bother asking me "what do i mean" by ......? i'm not trying to suggest that we erase everyone else's culture and language????? Why would you assume that? It's ridiculous!
@mexica104 Yeah, that is the Mexican National Anthem in different indigenous languages of Mexico, one of them was Amuzgo yes. It's only Castillanizado because certain words do not have a literal translation into some languages. And by the way, yes, THEY ARE OUR ORIGINAL LANGUAGES.
In fact, I'll tell you something most people don't even realize, the indigenous people of the Valley of Mexico are NOT the Mexica, it is the Mazahua and the Otomi among others.
@mexica104 when you say "us", who are you referring to? the Totonaco? Huasteca? You should ask them what they want to be called. You should ask the Chinanteco or the Triqui what they want to be called. If you call them "mexica" then you are falsly identifying them.
As to the Tlaxcalteca, have you ever been there? They still call themselves Tlaxcalteca first, Mexican (by nationality) second.
Please, differentiate between "ethnic" Mexicans and "national" Mexicans.
Hey yall check my youtubes
1. The Real Mexica Movement Deception part 1 & 2
2. Citlalminanahuac part 2
3. Mexica Movement vs Joe the plumber part 2
4. Mexica Movement- White People go back to Europe part 2
5. G Thug's message to Donta and allies part 1 Yall see how this muthafuckers are racist against blacks
blacklovechicagoilli 1 day ago
MEXICATH is the true name.AZTEC is the name of the last groups of people that made into TENOCHTITLAN then the capital city of MEXICO.the intention to call,"aztec,"the great civilization already established in MEXICO was and still is a way to distance/separate the true inhabitant( MEXICAH)from bieliving that we were and are the same people that created this civilization thus taking away our identity and create confusion.do not believe what the history books say about the MEXICAZ. we r the MEXICAZ
zolcohuatl 2 months ago
Mexicas (both white & brown) stole Apaches' land and sold it to Europeans. Many years later, Mexicas formed a klan (Mexica Movement), still pretending they have not done anything to the Apaches, trying too hard to say that it was the whole white race that sold Apaches' land. Telling everyone they are on their land... after they realized it was Apaches' land, they came up with this... the whole continent. For those who disagree with them is a racist, uncle tom, and a sell-out.
Wow, just wow.
MaceNaui4Prizes 2 months ago
@MaceNaui4Prizes
You are quite the character. European terrorist colonized and enslaved the Mexca and The Apaches'. Therefore are highly responsible. Question: What does The Mexica (Meh-shee-kah) falsely called Aztecs video have to do with your comment? Nothing of the sorts.You claim to be Native Ixachitlan. Where do you stand? You either stand for European Terrorism, domination and oppression or you stand with your people. Wake up sleeping warrior.
arcyfatale 2 months ago
@arcyfatale Wake up? Do you want to know how wide awake I am? Europeans had been breeding with Natives years ago and still are... regardless of rape, fooling around behind the bush, or love. Now where do I stand? Europeans or Native Americans? We cannot go back and fix that. In another 300 - 500 years, everyone will be a mutt because the whole world is a melting pot. Why split myself in half and pick a side when I can simply be a Texan? Therefore I will defend Texas as a Texan.
MaceNaui4Prizes 2 months ago
@arcyfatale When the Mexica Movement demanded an apology for the crimes Europeans had done, I would be more than happy to apologize, however.... they also have European blood and it would be like me apologizing to Europeans too. It does not matter what color you are, theres European blood everywhere. Even Chris Rock thought he was 100% black, and he made a joke "and I've been making fun of white people all these years".
Why point fingers at whites when their blood is in you too?
MaceNaui4Prizes 2 months ago
Raped blood would be considered tainted blood. This must be acknowledged. Remember, there was no unification. Let's be realistic, Europeans owe an apology to the indigenous people of the so-called Americas for the atrocities of their ancestors. Who invaded whom??? An abolishment of Columbus Day and Thanksgiving (which is a slap on the indigenous face) could be a start. Replace these two inappropriate holidays to a Native "so-called" American significance and dignity Day.
arcyfatale 2 months ago
@arcyfatale PT1 - Early 1400s, MesoAmericans/Mexicas had been trying to take over the Southwest. They wanted Tenochtitlan to rule the tribes of the SW. The Apaches & other SW tribes refused to be civilized by the Mexicas or MesoAmericans. Long story short, 100 years later Cortes/Spaniards took over, bred w/ the Mexica, gained power, pushed the SW tribes a little up north (thats why the today's Mexicas are claiming the SW is their land).
MaceNaui4Prizes 2 months ago
@arcyfatale PT2 - Then about 340 yrs later, Europeans from the other side (East) took over the SW quicker than the Mexicas had been trying to take over for years (as stated in Geronimo's book). Now why is the Mexica Movement & their people are demanding an apology when they gave Europeans a 100 years head start of killing/taking over the SW tribes? Will Olin and his movement apologize to the tribes of the SW? Nah, they would rather pretend it didnt happen & point fingers at whites.
MaceNaui4Prizes 2 months ago
@arcyfatale I agree, they should abolish Columbus Day and change Thanksgiving to "family" or "dignity" day.
MaceNaui4Prizes 2 months ago
@MaceNaui4Prizes hahahaha! white blood is in me right?? yea and its LATIN blood. you dont have that. and it was not romanticized in us. it was forced raped into us. hahaha and what we have white blood so that makes the white blood powerful??? what about our Native blood just ignore it?? our victimized family members would love that. lol. so why dont dark Spaniards call them selves Arabs why dont they convert to islam?? thats what they are. hmmm they claim white? lol they wish
MrPa1310 1 month ago
Part 2
You know, Mexico is becoming a middle class country,right?
1coolguysuper 4 months ago
@1coolguysuper
I don't live in Mexico. There's always an upper class. What does this have to do with The Mexca falsely called Aztecs???? Your comments are irrelevant to the matter at hand.
Of course there's an upper class of people in power over the allocation of our resources and colonial governmental control. You are a racist. We claim Mexica heritage and it bothers you. Why is that? Why do you racist have to always instinctively knock our Mexica heritage on a daily basis?
arcyfatale 4 months ago
@arcyfatale you guys are not mexica, you guys do not all come from Mexico City or am i wrong? your parents probably come from western central mexico, states where there are no mexica
put your mexica up your ass you false native
0Purepecha0 4 months ago 4
Part 3
Now how does the Mexica Moverment plan to lower the 50% dropout rate,end teen pregnancy,racism etc ?
Also it's good to know that Asians have the lowest dropout rate,the lowest teen pregnancy rate, and the lowest crime rate,so you can see it's not a "white" thing.
1coolguysuper 4 months ago 2
In American cinema The Italian-American Mafia is glorified. I don't support Mara Salvatrucha and their activities. Europeans over killed our ancestors by 95% enslaving the remaining 5% replacing us with the Nigerians. As far as the Mexican population rate.. we have to replace the billions of innocent lives lost by European terrorism. We must survive.
And yes, a good solid education is mandatory. We must know our past, to understand the present so we will know where we are going in the future.
arcyfatale 4 months ago
@1coolguysuper
You are stereotyping Mestizos. Mestizos(Chicano if you will) is a term to describe a person of mixed racial ancestry of mixed tainted European and Native American ancestry. I don't like to categorize Europeans as "white people" because "white" means free from moral impurity as in innocent. When a read European history, all I see is bloody RED.
arcyfatale 4 months ago
@arcyfatale I couldn't agree with you more about European,Chinese,Native American,and Arab ( which is still happening as we talk) history of violence.
Violence is violence no matter who does it.But you didn't answer my question, "How does the Mexica Moverment plan to lower the 50% dropout rate,end teen pregnancy,gang violence,racism etc ?
And please, don't try to justify the acts of chicanos acting like animals by point at European or any other ethnic group's history. continue
1coolguysuper 4 months ago 3
@1coolguysuper
I did answer your dumb question. Pay attention.
As far as the Mexican population rate.. we have to replace the billions of innocent lives lost by European terrorism. We must survive.
arcyfatale 4 months ago
@arcyfatale What European terrorism?
are you talking about the cartel violence in Mexico? Or the many chicanos that break into cars and houses here where I live?
What European terrorism? How is that the Europeans fault?
There are many mestizos that actually make something of themselves, there are mestizos that own businesses BUT,many (if not all), are robbed at gun point by chicanos. How is that the Europeans fault?And when are chicanos gonna take responsibility for their own actions?
1coolguysuper 4 months ago 2
@arcyfatale - Thanks for clearing up that question. We always thought that you simply like to see all of the little tan " mini me's " walking around the barrios displaying their inherent lack of morals , education & civility toward their neighbors ( the real citizens of the USA ) to the north that overtook the land and built it into the job generating system that it was. Just as your " people " have done to mexiscum they are now trying to do to MY COUNTRY. YOU'RE UGLY - MOVE ON ! :-)
BoxGuy1951 2 months ago 3
@BoxGuy1951
"We???" How many personalities do you conceive? You are blocked for your ugly racist silly comment that displays no accuracy but false misinterpretation of the innocent indigenous people on our beloved continent. However, your comment will not be deleted due to "public" correspondence. Nican Tlaca and friends must witness there are miserable people out there like you who speak out of lack of education and ignorance. Have a wonderful day.
arcyfatale 2 months ago
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@arcyfatale Part 2
Now you say that when you read European history, all you see is bloody red? And your right, but like you said......history.
1coolguysuper 4 months ago 4
@arcyfatale if thats the case then why do you want to be a mexica? mexicas were nothing more than invaders, terrorist and killers, thats why they were the most hated tribe in all of mexico and its thanks to my people the Purepechas, we killed them off with the spaniards
0Purepecha0 4 months ago 3
@0Purepecha0
There is so much wrong with your comment I don't know where to start.
arcyfatale 4 months ago
cubans and puerto ricans are " tainos " mulatto-mestizos.
Shilohmx1 5 months ago 10
@Shilohmx1
I thought the Taino people were declared extinct????
arcyfatale 5 months ago
@arcyfatale no, they live in ghettos like the bronx ny or miami, fl
Shilohmx1 4 months ago
@Shilohmx1
no native should be living in ghettos. natives should be living in abundance of wealth.
arcyfatale 4 months ago
@arcyfatale the world should be just and peaceful, but conjugate it to the present: the world is not just and peaceful.
Shilohmx1 4 months ago
@arcyfatale Most natives are lazy and drop out of school.
1coolguysuper 4 months ago
@1coolguysuper
There's no truth to this. Natives are hard working people. I rarely see a lazy native unless he/she is disabled. And as far as dropping out of school, perhaps it's the politics, racism, cultural castration and oppression Europeans instinctively abuse them with. I mean, that's the plan, right???? To tear them and break them down destroying their self-confidence and esteem
so they can get to picking, cleaning, gardening and building right???Sounds like slavery to me.
arcyfatale 4 months ago
@arcyfatale When I refer to natives, I refer to the Mestizos with more native figures.
And no,it is not the white man or the black man or the asian man at fault, it's the native looking mestizos who rather live a gangster lifestyle ( pimping hoes, guns,drugs,and impregnating girls at a young age) then actually stay in school an earn a education,I see it ALL THE TIME here in Texas ( I'm a white looking mestizo by the way)
And how is that the Europeans fault?
1coolguysuper 4 months ago 3
@arcyfatale Part 2
Also, many native looking mestizos are VERY racist towards the white looking mestizos,white mexicans,pure natives that come from Southern Mexico and Guatemala,blacks, asians,and whites.
And who's to blame for their choice of living a gangster lifestyle?
I hope we both could agree that education is the foundation for success in life.
1coolguysuper 4 months ago 3
Columbus discovered a lazy, blood thirsty and barbaric race who done nothing more than eat corn and smoked chocolate
P1mpMyBr1de 10 months ago
@P1mpMyBr1de
You are blocked for your lame comment.
arcyfatale 10 months ago
Remember, that there were White skinned tribes also living in Anahuac alongside and in peace with the other tribes prior to the arrival of the Modern, genocidal White Europeans. They were slaughtered along with everyone else. There needs to be a tribunal of every individual White man and woman to determine their nature. Those that will not abandon the genocidal system that White Europeans installed and in which they participate will be expelled.
Khantaakh 11 months ago
@Khantaakh there were also green skinned booger people and magical pink fairies living in Anna-whack prior to the invasion of Pasty McGee and the Four Tops
ChronicFallacy 9 months ago
arcyfatale i see your page your white people,
1980vince 1 year ago
1980vince wrote: arcy i see your page your white people,
Oh, I don't know all about that. Never really met any white people all my life. White is free from moral impurity as in innocent. The closes you are going to get to white people are newborn babies of all colors or the lame that are closer to GOD. Thanks for the complement. I'm not innocent.
arcyfatale 1 year ago
dont day pre columbian, say before columbus.
1980vince 1 year ago
@1980vince
What are you griping about?
arcyfatale 1 year ago
@arcyfatale theres a difference between precolumbus and before columbus.
1980vince 1 year ago
wake up brothers and sisters don't let white people destroy us. learn our real history, NOT THAT ONE WHITES WANTS US TO LEARN.
99cacahuate 1 year ago 3
@99cacahuate Dude, I'm white and most of my friends are as well, and I can honestly say none of us give a shit what you are learning. We're too busy being wage slaves and trying to feed our families. If there is some kind of conspiracy than it is at a much higher level than the average white person, because the average white person only wants what every other average person is looking for... a way to provide food, shelter, and clothing for their family.
b0ondockz 8 months ago
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@b0ondockz One can ACKNOWLEDGE racism without making it an excuse. You have a problem with people acknowledging racism, but you just need to deal with it because that is reality and people have a right to express their grievances about that.
99cacahuate 8 months ago
@b0ondockz
White -a (1) : free from moral impurity : innocent , Does this sound like you? Are you free from moral impurity? are you truly innocent ???
arcyfatale 8 months ago
@arcyfatale Huh? What kind of fucked up fantasy land do you live in? Do you want to elaborate on this stupid metaphor you keep using? It's pretty fucking ridiculous.
b0ondockz 8 months ago
@b0ondockz
@arcyfatale Huh? What kind of f*cked up fantasy land do you live in?
~ I currently live on Anahuac occupied by Europeans.
Do you want to elaborate on this stupid metaphor you keep using?
~ Sure. I can can go for a little Hugh Harman's 'Looney Tunes'.
arcyfatale 8 months ago
@arcyfatale No, unfortunately this is not your land. Europeans were here first. I suggest you watch Ice Age Columbus when you're done watching cartoons.
b0ondockz 8 months ago
@b0ondockz @arcyfatale No, unfortunately this is not your land.
~ The Land belongs to the Dead. lol!
Europeans were here first. I suggest you watch Ice Age Columbus
~ Yeah, I seen the science fiction episode on sci-fi. lol!
when you're done watching cartoons.
~ But there's nothing like waking up to a good cartoon.... a human cartoon starring you. lol!
arcyfatale 8 months ago
@arcyfatale Keep believing your Mexican fairy tales then, they are pretty amusing. Europeans aren't going anywhere, so if you don't like it in America go to Mexico. You won't go there because it sucks there, you rather stay here and try to take what the white man created. Maybe if you stopped watching cartoons and got off your fat Mexican ass you could do something productive instead of complaining and trying to free load LoL! Most Mexicans would probably look down on you hahaha!
b0ondockz 8 months ago 2
@b0ondockz
Keep believing your Mexican fairy tales then, they are pretty amusing.
Europeans aren't going anywhere, so if you don't like it in America go to Mexico.
~ Mexico is so-called America. I was born and reside in the colonial state of USA. I'm Chicano.
You won't go there because it sucks there, you rather stay here and try to take what the white man created.
~ I visit Mexico on plenty occasions. It's quite the adventure. lol!
arcyfatale 8 months ago
Maybe if you stopped watching cartoons
~ But cartons are my favorite. lol!
and got off your fat Mexican ass you could do something productive
~ like get on youtube and sent hate mail to my so-called adversaries? lol!
arcyfatale 8 months ago
instead of complaining and trying to free load LoL!
~ Who doesn't like a free-ride or freebie from-time-to-time?
Most Mexicans would probably look down on you hahaha!
~ Then some look up to me. Oh, goodie. lol!
arcyfatale 8 months ago
@arcyfate,thanks.
98bigbutt 1 year ago
@arcyfate,I can't call because i'm from NYC.Second,I don't know where to e-mail the MM.
98bigbutt 1 year ago
@98bigbutt
I will send you the connects.
arcyfatale 1 year ago
@arcyfatale,I E-mailed them through their channel and gave me a nasty remarks about my comment.
98bigbutt 1 year ago
@98bigbutt
Wow! I'm sorry to hear that. What did you ask them and what did they responde?
arcyfatale 1 year ago
Even though it's good you're spreading the truth about history of the Americas,but the whites have came,saw and conquered the Americas and its natives.Also the vast majority of Spanish-speaking peoples of Latin America including the Mexica Movement have Spanish blood tainted in our veins.Also the Mexica Movement should mention that the Inca and Mexica Empire used to capture the other tribes and used them for Human Sacrifices in which were killed by the thousands.
98bigbutt 1 year ago
@98bigbutt
Why don't you call or e-mail MM yourself?
arcyfatale 1 year ago
@arcyfatale,well I told them that they're tainted with Spanish blood, to just go with the flow of history and about the human sacrifices.They replied to me by saying only ignorant racists they don't reply and basic told me to fuck off.
98bigbutt 1 year ago
@98bigbutt
well I told them that they're tainted with Spanish blood,
~ I think there's like 30% of us that are not. idk. and yes, many are tainted with European blood because we were raped.
arcyfatale 1 year ago 2
@98bigbutt
to just go with the flow of history
~ as in not fighting to be liberated?
and about the human sacrifices.
~ Go on . . .
arcyfatale 1 year ago
@arcyfatale,what I meant to say is that there's nothing you can do to turn back the past before 1492.The Natives had the population and the weapons to kill off the white settlers but they didn't so we're living under the white man's ever since.About the tainted European blood,what I meant to say is that because of the rape done by the white man,we're part of that and we're scarred for life and you've to live with it whether you like it or not.
98bigbutt 1 year ago
@arcyfatale Also the human sacrifices were real.I know it's hard to admit it but it really happened.They also enslaved raped the women of the other tribes.We as all human beings have our hands dirty one way or another.The only difference is that white people did it in a larger scale.
98bigbutt 1 year ago
@98bigbutt
~I heard many taboos on our Nican Tlaca religion. It would be interesting if MM would do a lecture on the human sacrificing. If there's any truth to this. Remember, Europeans rewrote our history. It's quite possible Europeans used this to discredit and demonize us. Christianity was the driving force that killed us. So in other words, sacrificing unto their Jesus. And then again, what kind of rituals are the illuminati practicing behind closed door???
arcyfatale 1 year ago 18
@arcyfatale,nope;it was true because it was proven by archeologists going to the temples and it was drawn on the walls about that.
98bigbutt 1 year ago
@98bigbutt 90% of blacks in the US are mixed with caucasians. Spain was occupied by the Moors for almost 800 years, you think they didn't inter mix? I bet you can tell the difference between a spaniard and a sweedish person? lol. YET! you dont see them trying to claim or someone retain some sort of SICK pride that they're ancestors were raped and that's why they're mixed? Even if "human sacrifices" existed in Anahuac, so what? The Romans, french, english(which burning) did it, and more exte
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98bigbutt 1 year ago
your all a bunch of racists!
5518steve 1 year ago
@5518steve why?
mexica104 1 year ago
Also you forgot to mention that the Aztecs and the Incas conquered other indian tribal peoples and had enemies with them
98bigbutt 1 year ago
@98bigbutt Didn't you hear the lesson on this video? WE'RE NOT AZTECS! Oh and so what? Every civilization fought wars, you're point is?
mexica104 1 year ago 4
@mexica104 Actually, who do you mean by "WE'RE NOT AZTECS"? Your name is Mexica right? that means you ARE Aztec...ever hear of the Uto-Aztecan ethno-linguistic group? The Ute, Paiute, O'odham, Comanche, Shoshoni, Hopi, Luiseno, etc. are all descendants of the Azteca, it's in their oral tradition...Anyway, you shouldn't all lump "us" together, you know, cuz if you are Yaqui, then you are Aztec, but if you are Mazahua, you are not.
EndemicEpistemology 1 year ago
@EndemicEpistemology AGAIN! if i had hair, i'd be pulling it out! Aren't you trying to lecture me about how i can't be naming other people? Now, you're telling me what I AM? NIMEXIHCATL! AHMO AZTECATL
mexica104 1 year ago
@mexica104 If you are Mexica then you descend from the Azteca...sounds like somebody is not proud of his roots, okay, whatever floats your boat...I guess your ancestors never left Aztlan to migrate to present-day Mexico City. Let me see, isn't that Nahuatl? you are Mexican not Aztec? but yet you can clearly speak Aztecatlahtolli?
EndemicEpistemology 1 year ago
@EndemicEpistemology come on, again! you're gong to tell me what i am? I know that the mexica were first the Aztecs. Ok, but the same way you tell me not to imply my beliefs on others (not that i was) dont do it to me. i don't speak Nahuatl, nor do I know how to write it. Why are you so defensive? I was trying to offer my help. i just wanted to explain what the MM is trying to do. What's so hard to understand? oh and stop telling me what i am, i know what i am and where i come from!
mexica104 1 year ago
@mexica104 I am glad you know who you are and where you came from, BUT If you told me you were Hispanic or Latino AND you looked like Tlahtoani Cuauhtemoc, I would be encouraged to tell you that you are NOT Hispanic or Latino even if that offends you, so if I tell you that you are ethnically Azteca, please don't take offense for even Azteca is more of a symbol of unity than Mexica because Azteca covers the Shoshoni and the Comanche and the Ute and many others but Mexica does not.
EndemicEpistemology 1 year ago
@EndemicEpistemology Thank you, and i'd do the same to you. But, as you well know, i'm not confused, and although i understand your OPINION. I disagree with it. Mexican, as you already know, is Mexica in English. Everyone in Mexico, is already calling themselve's Mexica, except they aren't pronouncing it in Nahuatl.
mexica104 1 year ago
@mexica104 Actually, you are confused. The ONLY reason they are calling themselves "MEXICANO" in the first place is because the SPANIARDS imposed that identity on the entire population. They could have imposed the Mazahua identity and we would instead be arguing about reconstructing the "Mazahua culture" and language...or they could have imposed a Purepecha identity and we would be arguing about "reconstructing" the Purepecha culture...you don't see it?
EndemicEpistemology 1 year ago
@EndemicEpistemology EXACTLY! incase you don't remember, i'm the one that mentions that the criollos are the ones that united us under Mexicanos. No, we wouldn't, because the friars didn't document every aspect of the Mazahua, or the Purepecha life and culture, they did with the Mexica.
mexica104 1 year ago
@mexica104 Once again, why would you rely on Europeans to reconstruct an indigenous culture? Shouldn't you go to the Purepecha and the Mazahua? You are trying to build straw pyramids. You, who mentioned the Criollos united "us" under Mexicanos but yet you advocate by MM to do the same? Why? Go to the Purepecha. Go the the Wixarrika. They don't need cultural "reconstruction", they need basic necesities like water, electricity, seeds, land, and educational opportunities, they need SECURITY
EndemicEpistemology 1 year ago
@EndemicEpistemology Who's relying on Europeans to reconstruct our culture? another question i think will never be answered, lol. Because unlike the Criollos imposing a foreign culture, the Mexica culture is Native to this land. Dispite what you think of people not needing cultural reconstruction. Our idependence from Europe WILL include religious liberation. And you well know that most the indigenous community still are brain washed in Catholicism.
mexica104 1 year ago
No, we are not all Mexica. Who is he to say I am Mexica? I am from Xalixco, we are desdended from Azteca and Purepecha. The Mexica, known also as the Tenochca migrated to the valley of Mexico from Aztlan, Mexica indeed are Azteca, that is where the name comes from. Azteca comes from Aztlan. The Azteca spread to the 4 corners after the invasion of the Dineh and Apache and are now known as Shoshone, Hopi, Paiute, Comanche, Tongva, etc.
EndemicEpistemology 1 year ago
I guess for me its fundamentally hard to imagine how these people think (its not just them but humanity as a whole), they are so obsessed with their race and culture, they identify with their ancestors as much as they do with themselves, but to me their culture and everything their obsessed with is just a mere whisper in the face of existence and all the cosmos, humanity is fractured and segregated and people like Olin (along with "conservatives") they only propagate the segregation of humanity
TeamFortressKilla 1 year ago
@TeamFortressKilla that's because Olin and his compadres suffer from a terrible case of insecurity and identity issues. The Mexica Movement doesn't realize how much they have in common with white nationalists. In fact, they are counterparts. Like the MM, white nationalists constantly see themselves as victims, obsess over extinct civilizations("We weren't alive back then, but it must have been better!") and stress for racial purity. I debated one member who was against interracial marriage
ChronicFallacy 1 year ago
@ChronicFallacy The MM stress racial purity? Prove it?
mexica104 1 year ago
@mexica104 AnahuacWomenFight, DecolonizeAnahuac and other supporters have repeatedly made statements casting aspersions on "nican tlaca" marrying others. They make it tantamount to treason, which, again, shows how the MM's thinking is so similar to the white supremacists they reputedly oppose so much. It says a lot about someone if they're willing to tell other people who they should and shouldn't marry.
ChronicFallacy 1 year ago
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mexica104 1 year ago
@ChronicFallacy If you don't mind, give me the link where the Mexica-Movement make this allegation? I've been a long supporter of the MM, and i've never heard them make such allegations.
mexica104 1 year ago
One day, the Aztecs held a great party in their capital Tencochtitlan to welcome the unknown Spainiards. They sacrificed 20,000 slaves to Huitzilopochtli (Naui's 10x great-grandfather) in one day, all without a conveyor belt or even a wheel! Huitzilopochtli was greatly pleased at the sight of the 20,000 freshly beating hearts, and let the sun rise again.
The Spaniards, however, became upset for some reason and kidnapped Montezuma.
Those racist party crashing bastards.
SenorGreenEyedDevil 1 year ago
Im a Totonaca indian I live in Monterrey now and I dont know what you guys complain about, The Government in Mexico helps the poor with outreach programs. we got 29% poverty rate and its going down, you are not citizens of Mexico so you pochos stay in America, WE Mexicans will fix OUR country as we please. the past is the past get over it were a modern industrializing country with the 12th largest economy. if you think your correct come fight us. I would gladly defend my nation from pochos.
slapking12 2 years ago
@slapking12
hey. i'm with you slapking. chicanos here complain about their race and culture all the time, but what have they done for people in mexico? there is nothing about the land here that's more wealthy over there. it's the people that create wealth. businesses and workers, regardless of race, they make wealth.
centerrightpunk 1 year ago
maybe someone already told you, but his name is pronounced OH-leen, stress on the first syllable. just a friendly correction.
good question to ask. misnaming our people is an interesting way to cut us off from our heritage. its good that you cleared that up nicely.
CuauhtIatohuac 2 years ago
@CuauhtIatohuac misnaming our people? which people? which people are being misnamed according to you? If you call the the OTOMI by that name, you indeed are misnaming them because they call themselves: Hñähñú, Hñähño, Hñotho, Hñähü, Hñätho, Yųhų, Yųhmų, Ñųhų, Ñǫthǫ or Ñañhų...or if you call the Tarahumara by that name, it's also wrong, they are Raramuri...or the Tarasco, they are Purepecha. We are NOT Mexica.
EndemicEpistemology 1 year ago
"Aztec" is not the correct term. Mexica is, for those particular people. The unifying term would be Nican Tlaca, or the equivalent of that in any other of our languages.
CuauhtIatohuac 1 year ago
Great info..
colecash415 2 years ago 4
Thank you.
arcyfatale 2 years ago
@colecash415
Yeah, I got tired of hearing people call us Aztecs. That's why I asked Olin (the founder of Mexica-Movement) to clear it up.
arcyfatale 2 years ago
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anahuacwarrior 2 years ago
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anahuacwarrior 2 years ago
People have right to voice thier opinions. and yes there are many morons that I am not responsible for. This video clip is for educating purpose. I support Mexica-Movement in all positive ways so yes, I have a right to voice my opinion like everybody else. btw, I am always there. hence the video you just watched.
arcyfatale 2 years ago
if you were not there, you have no right to talk shit.
` See I analyze everything in detail. You just said; "thanks for joining the presentation last week! it's always great to see you and your family in the audience" then you state; if you were not there, you have no right to talk shit. Which is it. Was I there or Was I not there?
arcyfatale 2 years ago
then come directly. otherwise, its all internet cowardice.
~ "Cowardice" is the most common word used on the internet. then there is Owned.
Very annoying terms. How is this cowardice?
arcyfatale 2 years ago
and last but, not least. if we are going to be liberated it starts with us. we must unite instead of divide. How is a baseball/football team going to win if the team is in war with itself??? you should study the divide and conquer algorithm.
arcyfatale 2 years ago
@arcyfatale Unite under the Mexica-Movement flag? I DON'T THINK SO. What about under the Aymara flag? or the Mapuche flag? or Mohawk flag? If you want true unity, you have to have a pluri-cultural Federation that is also pluri-lingual. To unite under one flag just leaves out the hundreds of others.
EndemicEpistemology 1 year ago
I'm down with that. We can all unite under all of our flags. what is different about the Mexica Movement flag is that it tries to unify us all.
CuauhtIatohuac 1 year ago
@CuauhtIatohuac
I don't like to see Nican Tlaca in war with each other. Take Lupe Moreno and Raymond Herrera for example. Yes they are vendidos. Vendidos out of ignorance. With proper education they might come around. Lupe Moreno and Raymond Herrera FIGHT ON THE VERY SIDE THAT WILL eventually KILL THEM.
arcyfatale 1 year ago
@CuauhtIatohuac
I'm down with that. We can all unite under all of our flags. what is different about the Mexica Movement flag is that it tries to unify us all.
Damn! Nice quote. :)
AnahuacNicanTlaca 1 year ago
@CuauhtIatohuac I'm down with that too, but not to unite under a specific ethnicity though, like Mexica, or under the Nahuatl language.
EndemicEpistemology 1 year ago
Mexica can be a default for those of us who have lost our lineage or language. Personally, I don't think it is helpful to get caught up in the semantics of it. There are very good reasons that we use Mexica, and we make it clear that we want to unite people and that being Mexica does not take away from being anything else.
CuauhtIatohuac 1 year ago
@CuauhtIatohuac
Mexica can be a default for those of us who have lost our lineage or language.
~ It's a start.
arcyfatale 1 year ago
@arcyfatale A start is to go to your roots. Where does your family come from, how long have they lived there? Are they indigenous to there or did they migrate from somewhere else. Many people from Oaxaca have also lost their lineage and roots, but why would they identify with Nahuatl speaking people when they are most likely Otomangue? A person from Nayarit is not Mexica, he is probably Cora or Wixarrika. A person from Chihuahua probably Raramuri, DO THE RESEARCH!
EndemicEpistemology 1 year ago
@EndemicEpistemology They have. All of this people are already united with that word anyway. Except it's pronounce in spanish. Mexicanos? Heard of the Country? Mexicano comes from the word Mexica, or is it to difficult to make the connection?
mexica104 1 year ago
@mexica104 NO mames WEY, yo naci en Zapopan y me hablas de que si he escuchado la palabra Mexicano? La cosa que no entiendes es que hay Mexicanos en Quintana Roo, Yucatan y en Chiapas que NO SON etnicamente Mexicanos, si tu le preguntas a un Maya de Chiapas que si es Mexicanos te va a decir que NO, te va a decir que es Tzotzil o Chol o Tzeltal, igual si hablas on un Purepecha...por favor, visita mi pais antes de decirme algo que obviamente no entiendes al menos que hayas nacido y crecido aqui.
EndemicEpistemology 1 year ago
@EndemicEpistemology no mames? hoy ah este guey! lol Si tu mismo estas diciendo lo que te esta tratando de decir. "La cosa que no entiendes es que hay MEXICANOS en Quintana Roo, Yucatan y en Chiapas que no son etnicamente Mexicanos". Yo no estoy alegando que la etnia de la gente del pais de Mexico. Yo te estoy diciendo que todas las etnias ya estan unidas con la nacionalidad de Mexicanos. Y yo e visitado muchas veces a Mexico, no te pongas a prejuzgar si no sabes!
mexica104 1 year ago
@mexica104 jejjee, no te agüites vale, no es pa' tanto. Estamos unidos bajo la nacionalidad de Mexicanos, pero tampoco se te olvide que esa identidad fue impuesta hacia nosotros por los Criollos...te acuerdas cuando Mexico se libero de los Hispanos en 1820? Pues tambien los Dineh eran "Mexicanos", pero cuando los Gringos nos invadieron, dejaron de ser Mexicanos y fueron "Native American"... las identidades que son impuestas por gobiernos no siempre son los mejores, tal es el caso de Mexico.
EndemicEpistemology 1 year ago
@EndemicEpistemology EXACTAMENTE! Y como yo se, que Mexicano es simplemente Mexihcatl en Nahuatl. No entiendo por que me alegas que por que unirnos bajo el Nombre o cultura de los Mexicanos. Si ya lo hicimos. Bueno los Criollos nos unieron bajo ese nombre, pero te lo mensiono a ti por que estas renuente a entender. Mira ya, vez que inteligente to oyes cuando hablas sin juzgar? No estamos para estar peliendo oh alegando con nosotros mismos. Busquemos la solucion! no los detalles de los pro
mexica104 1 year ago
@mexica104 Cuachi, yo solo estoy respondiendo a tus comentarios. Yo no te estoy alegando ni peleando, yo solo pongo mi punto de vista. BUSQUEMOS Solucion pues! But in order for us to find solutions we have to agree to include federally recognized and non-federally recognized Aboriginies.
EndemicEpistemology 1 year ago
@EndemicEpistemology GRACIAS! por fin. Busquemos una solucion, lo mas inteligente que as dicho. OF COURSE! OF COURSE! WE CAN AGREE. THAT'S WHAT I'D DO, AND I'M POSITIVE THAT'S WHAT THE MM IS TRYING TO DO ALSO. No se de onde sacas que, queremos quitarle la cultura o lenguages a nuestra gente. En lo que creo que no estamos de acuerdo. Es en como vamos hacerlo. Unete, oh empieza un movimiento con mejores ideas que las de MM? A la mejor me uno con tigo. yo soy de Jiquilpan Michoacan.
mexica104 1 year ago
@mexica104 Lo mas "inteligente" que he dicho? Asi te quieres llevar conmigo? TODO lo que te he dicho lo he dicho con inteligencia, asi que parale ahi compa. Yo no tengo que unirme a nada. Los que se quieran unir a mi se hacen mis amigos, los que no pues asi se quedan. Yo soy de Xalixco, por eso me llamo Xalixco
EndemicEpistemology 1 year ago
@EndemicEpistemology No todo lo que me as dicho, me haz dicho con inteligencia. Por lo menos en mi opinion. Si tu prefieres pelear solo, eso es to decision. Eres del Sur de jalisco?
mexica104 1 year ago
@mexica104 Vale, la neta, el que no ha hablado con mucha inteligencia eres tu. No te das cuenta lo que estas apoyando? Lo que tu propones es imponer la identidad Mexica al igual que la impusieron los Hispanos. No necesitamos mas imposiciones, no te das cuenta de eso? Necesitamos unidad, no necesitamos que una organizacion trate de hablar como si fuera el representate de los Indigenas de Anahuac. Si quieres hacer el cambio, empieza por vivir con los Indigenas que todavia practican su cultura.
EndemicEpistemology 1 year ago
@EndemicEpistemology HOY nomas! como te pones a opininar lo que propongo si ni te has molestado en preguntarme? Tu nomas estas prejusgandome. Como sabes que apoyo? Los Criollos ya nos impusieron el nombre y en sierto grado, tambien la cultura y costumbres Mexica. Ay un problema con que Mexico y todas sus culturas esten unidas? Mira, gracias, pero yo voy a ser mis contribuciónes de mi manera. Yo convivo con indigenas todos los dias, por si querias saber. Ya que no te gusta hacer preguntas.
mexica104 1 year ago
@mexica104 really? con que indigenas convives?
EndemicEpistemology 1 year ago
@EndemicEpistemology con mi familia, amigos, toda la gente Mexicana, centro Americana, y nativo americanos.
mexica104 11 months ago
@mexica104 btw, if you are from Jiquilpan, Michoacan, you are most likely Purepecha...why are you so concerned about reconstructing the culture of your ancient ancestors enemies? I mean, I know that it's all about unity and all that, but, if you are Purepecha, maybe you should focus on your Purepecha culture, they were after all, never conquered by the Mexica...just a suggestion. also, I have a friend, Sipajpe, who you should look up, he is truly knowledgable about our People.
EndemicEpistemology 1 year ago
@EndemicEpistemology Actually not. Xiuquilpan as you can probably tell is Nahuatl for "sobre anil" or something like that. the Purepecha invaded and occupied Xiuquilpan in 1450. You're from Jalisco, aren't you probably Otomi or Huichol? Oh yeah, where can i find him? Is you're name Niko?
mexica104 1 year ago
@mexica104 My name is Xalixco. Actually, in the hundreds of years of war between the Mexica-Tenocha and the Purepecha, the little town of Xiuquilpan was one of those cities with Purepecha inhabitants but with Mexica influence due to attempts to colonize and conquer the Purepecha. Saying that Xiuquilpan is not Purepecha just because of the Nahuatl name is like saying that San Juan Buenaventura is not Mexicanero just because its a Spanish named town. I'm probably Otomi, yeah, and Wixarrika too
EndemicEpistemology 1 year ago
@EndemicEpistemology Hmmm, i dont' remember the Mexica totally sorrounding the Purepecha Nation. I know that was their intentions, since they were repelled on Axayacatl attempt to invade Michhuacan. Michhuacan is a better example than San Juan Buenaventura by the way. There isn't much on Xiuquilpan history, but the few accounts of the town have all been consisted with it being a Nahuatlaca town, and being conquered by the Purepecha in 1450 if i remember correctly.
mexica104 1 year ago
@mexica104 I think you should start the new Purepecha Movement (PM).
EndemicEpistemology 1 year ago
@EndemicEpistemology Oh yeah? why do you think that? You never answer me when i asked you if you had a better idea than the MM?
mexica104 1 year ago
@mexica104 I've already implied all my ideas in my posts, but you misunderstood them as "opinions" ;)
idea # 1: The fastest way to teach people their language is through indigenous revitalization and immersion programs.
idea # 2: The fastest way to unify people is to give them their basic needs, when their basic needs are met, they are most likely to unify...look @ Mexico...need #1 is Security.
idea # 3: Create structures of empowerment and indigenous epistemology
EndemicEpistemology 1 year ago
@EndemicEpistemology Really? this is the first time I've seen these? So far, #1 is good. #2 is good also. #3 is great also. Now, explain to me how you're going to do all of this when 60% of Mexicans (central americans, and S.americans) are mixed with european? Non of them think or want to acknowledged that they're Indigenous? Good plan though. Perhaps you're missing what the MM is trying to accomplish first. Find our Identity first.
mexica104 1 year ago
@mexica104 if you keep thinking about blood quantums you are going to continue living in a Eurocentric mindset. blood quantums are a European invention...so whether we are 1% or 99% we are still Chichimeca.
as to people acknowledging their indigenous identity, you have to understand that some indigenous cultures of Mexico for example will not accept you as indigenous anymore if you go live in the city. so, if you leave your community and go live in the big city, you are no longer indigenous
EndemicEpistemology 1 year ago
@EndemicEpistemology I think you are looking for is Nican Tlaca, Chichimecas were the people that weren't civilized to the Mexica. How little you know of History, "RACE" or 100% indigenous was non-existing before the Invasion. I could be 99% caucasian, but if I claim to be Mexica, and i'm raised Nican Tlaca. Nobody could tell me i'm something else but Mexica. That is the most retarted jusitfication why not to be labeled Indigenous? lol In fact, that's a little racist in your behalf!
mexica104 11 months ago
@mexica104
idea # 4: Teach them the Anahuac systems of writing
idea # 5: Teach them Anahuac mathematics
idea # 6: Teach them Anahuac sports like Ulama, Xhupa Porrazo, etc.
idea # 7: Create a Congress of Indigenous people
idea # 8: Create an Indigenous Political Party
idea # 9: Create a venue for indigenous groups to form federations
EndemicEpistemology 1 year ago
@EndemicEpistemology ok, we have more! lol, good, who's writting system are you going to choose? I'd pick the Mayan. Who's number system are you going to choose although i think it was pretty much universal in "mesoamerica". #6 good also. #7 is GREAT! #8? is a little confusing, is this one under present goverments? #9 is also confusing. same question as number 8.
mexica104 1 year ago
@mexica104
idea # 2236: Form committees asigned to go into Barrios, villages, towns, cities, counties, states, and countries for the purpose of meeting the needs of those places and coming up with solutions for those needs together
idea # 2237: Unite under the mutual understanding that we are all different nations, tribes, and peoples; make it so that whatever identity or banner is chosen for this Federation that it may represent ALL peoples, tribes, and nations in their own language.
EndemicEpistemology 1 year ago
@EndemicEpistemology #2236 is Calpulli's if i remember correctly, good. #2237 is great also, but i'd lean more to a confederations rather than a federation. You see, if you would ask, you'd see that i agree with most of what you want to see happen. With some exemptions. A confederation is what the Mexica had before the European invasion. Even though i agree that every nation(not tribes) should have their own language, I'd vote for nahuatl to be the unifying language of the New confederation
mexica104 1 year ago
@mexica104
I would prefer Purepecha as a language of unification...it's more...what shall I say, Parantigaratincharaticuamicuaro
EndemicEpistemology 1 year ago
@EndemicEpistemology when the day comes, i'm sure our descendants are going to figure out what Indigenous language we should unify under. My vote is Nahuatl.
mexica104 11 months ago
@mexica104
me'phaa (tlapaneco)
Mbo Mixíí, xí nawán ríga xkujndu,
arigá xawi ajuan' gajmaá guáyo,
Asndo ma'baan aúun akuiin numbaa
Ído rí mamidá xkadxu mbaa.
Asndo ma'baan aúun akuiin numbaa
Ído rí mamidá xkadxu mbaa.
EndemicEpistemology 1 year ago
@CuauhtIatohuac I'm sorry to disagree with you. It's a default to those who don't want to learn their true heritage and language. If you are from Michoacan, you are most likely Purepecha. Why would you claim Mexica lineage when you can re-claim your Purepecha heritage as well as language? It's all about doing your homework. The Nahuatl speaking people in Mexico don't even call themselves "Mexica", they call themselves "Macehualli" and they call each other "Cuachi".
EndemicEpistemology 1 year ago
@EndemicEpistemology No one is suggesting you just speak Nahuatl and learn the mexica culture. MM i believe is just suggesting it as a base culture. Can you reconstruct the Purepecha culture? how? The point is to free ourselves from Eurocentric thinking, culture, and language, etc etc. That Nahuatlaca of Mexico don't called themselves Mexica, because they probably don't know. They're more liable to call themselves "Aztecs". macehualli is a word for all commoners. you might be confused on
mexica104 1 year ago
@mexica104 The Purepecha culture is well and alive right now in the State of Michoacan...they still speak their language, still have their own foods, drinks, dances, and traditions...actually, Macehualli means "indigenous" in the context of what they call themselves...Have you ever talked to a real Nahuatlahto IN MEXICO? Please, visit first, because one thing is to hear it from MM and the other is to actually hear it from a fellow Cuachi, I say this with much respect.
EndemicEpistemology 1 year ago
@EndemicEpistemology In that context, perhaps. But if i know the correct term. Why not correct them. yeah, I have. it's called my family! and yes, i see all the respect poring out into my lap top screen.
mexica104 1 year ago
@mexica104 If you truly want to understand the indigenous mind from Mexico, you have to talk with them, eat with them, drink with them, work with them, play with them, and live with them...not just read about them, or watch videos on them, or listen to their music...you have to be friends with them...and by this I mean those who still speak their language fluently and live in their communities...aske them.
EndemicEpistemology 1 year ago
@EndemicEpistemology I AM INDIGENOUS! I DON'T NEED TO ASK ANYONE ELSE. i don't need you to tell me how to connect to blood! I'm trying really hard, and if i have already, i'm apologizing, but you make really hard not to insult you. Here you are. Telling me what i can and can't do with my unification effort, but at the same time. You want me to do, what perhaps, you had to go thru? It's senseless! Never mind that you don't even know me. How do you know what i want? ASK! it's ok to ASK!
mexica104 1 year ago
@CuauhtIatohuac It's not about Semantics, it's about taking the time to know where you come from and who you are. There are 62 indigenous groups in Mexico and over 300 indigenous dialects. Why would a Tlaxcalteca want to identify as "Mexica" when they are NOT Mexica? Umbrella categories are a mistake. Lumping people together under "default" identities is wrong, why do you think Hispanic and Latino is wrong? because they are umbrella categories. It doesn't get to the root of the issue.
EndemicEpistemology 1 year ago
@EndemicEpistemology There's no problem taking the time to learn where you came from. But then what? You suggesting we become more divided? You mean 300 LANGUAGES, right? Dialects are a version or accent of a language, they're not a language on their own. Well why does a Tlaxcalteca call himself a Mexican now? It's Mexica, just pronounce in Spanish. Yes Lumping people in FALSE Identities is wrong. It's never wrong when we're trying to unite us.
mexica104 1 year ago
@mexica104 There is noting wrong with the Mazahua wanting to retain their own culture, language and dress...any imposition of the Mexica identity, language, and culture would only create a state of rebellion in the Mazahua...what needs to be done is respect each other's culture, language, etc...just like Mesomerica was united. Dialects are variants of the same language, for example, Pipil is a dialect or variant of Nahuatl.
EndemicEpistemology 1 year ago
@EndemicEpistemology There isn't, but unless they can get it like it was before 1492, they'll never have Independence. Like i've said before, you're letting your prejudice jump the gun here. I don't think you've bother asking me "what do i mean" by ......? i'm not trying to suggest that we erase everyone else's culture and language????? Why would you assume that? It's ridiculous!
mexica104 1 year ago
@mexica104 Ahi te va algo que te pueda gustar, es la primera estrofa del himno nacional:
Amuzgo:
Cala'jomndyo', 'o nn'an na ndyuaa Sndaa', ndia'.
Calajndaa'ndyo' l'ots'iaan quio caso na ya.
Catseits'eiina' cha'waa tyuaa na m'aanya
Quia na c'uaa na cwinan' quio cayom.
Catseits'eiina' cha'waa tyuaa na m'aanya
Quia na c'uaa na cwinan' quio cayom.
EndemicEpistemology 1 year ago
@EndemicEpistemology El himno? Ese es el himno nacional de mexico pero en Amuzgo?
mexica104 1 year ago
@mexica104 Yeah, that is the Mexican National Anthem in different indigenous languages of Mexico, one of them was Amuzgo yes. It's only Castillanizado because certain words do not have a literal translation into some languages. And by the way, yes, THEY ARE OUR ORIGINAL LANGUAGES.
In fact, I'll tell you something most people don't even realize, the indigenous people of the Valley of Mexico are NOT the Mexica, it is the Mazahua and the Otomi among others.
EndemicEpistemology 1 year ago
@mexica104 when you say "us", who are you referring to? the Totonaco? Huasteca? You should ask them what they want to be called. You should ask the Chinanteco or the Triqui what they want to be called. If you call them "mexica" then you are falsly identifying them.
As to the Tlaxcalteca, have you ever been there? They still call themselves Tlaxcalteca first, Mexican (by nationality) second.
Please, differentiate between "ethnic" Mexicans and "national" Mexicans.