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This news reporter sounds very hateful against Messianic Jews and Christians. I love Israel very much and will continue to support her. I will say that not all Jewish Israelis hate Christians or Messianic Jews. I'm Christian and many of my friends are Israeli Jews and they have been kind and loving towards me. But not all Jewish Israelis are that way. I wish those specific Jewish Israelis, who hate against Christians and Messianic Jews, would stop their persecution. God protect Israel.
@EmilyGreene1984 Thank God for Christians like you and your Jewish Israeli friends! If there enough people like you around you might even be able to help "nightthunder11" to be rational. May there be peace on Earth.
@EmilyGreene1984 What about the INDIGENOUS Palestinians they genocide? No Decent Christian, or even human being whatever their persuasion, in their right mind would support this synagogue to satan.
@ManlnCognito : Lol. Its not a history book, more of a myth and even it said the Israelites, to whom modern day jewry do not descend, from, invaded. You clearly do not know the meaning of the word "indigenous" The oldest home in Jericho is 10000 years old. As for that mongrel race.VAST majority of Palestinians are Levantines, merely linguistically and culturally Arabized. The legend of the diaspora: Another myth. No literature anywhere to prove that.
@n0manland Interesting theory, I should like to know the source of your information.
If the Jews were not driven from that land what happened to the Jews of that region? Why was the name of the country changed from Judea/Israel? Why did the returning Jews speak Hebrew? the language of the exiled Jews?
Even the quran confirms Jews are indigenous to that land.
@ManlnCognito : The Jews did not speak Hebrew when they went illegally to Palestine, it was a dead language. They had to have classes in that. The word "theory" and "returning" give your incognito status away propagandist troll. Go read a non fiction book and get educated.
@ManlnCognito : You're a very disturbed nutjob. The world would be a much better place if none of you agent provocateurs were not in it. Besides you scum don't like any goy. Period.
@ManlnCognito : The exile of the Jewish people is originally a Christian myth that depicted that event as divine punishment imposed on the Jews for having rejected the Christian gospel.Over 90% of modern Jewry originate in the steppes of Russia (khazaria)
These Jews don't realize that the Christian USA and other Christian nation bail their forefathers and fathers out from the Nazi Concentration camp. One will wonder through this video whether the move to release them was right. The sacrifice of Christians around the World made these Jews what they are today. When the Muslim attack them, they run to their Christian savior for help.
Jesus said hell would return when his people called his name-JESUS!,messianic jews are born again jews,and have found salvation,when will the rest of israel understand that the messiah has been and gone?,just as the first time the religious jews attacked Jesus,they are doing the same again! May God bless all who call on the name of the lord,and God bless israel!!!!!
WAS JESUS ANTI-SEMETIC WHEN HE TOLD US IN REV 2:9 AND 3:9 ABOUT THE LYING JEWS OF THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN. He was from the line of David. And he knew the truth about the EDOMITES that God himself hates written in the old testament . They are the Masquerading Edomites. Supported by NOSTRADAMUS AS WELL. We who know God know the real from the Liars as Jesus called them.
Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds;and every eye shall see him,and they also which pierced him:and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen
In the upcoming one-world religion, Christians will be put to death for not renouncing their Savior and God Jesus Christ. They are the only group that's not going to fall for the pre-planned satanist world leader. If you're not a believer by now look at what is going on in the world then look at the prophecy. Peace and love to all. I take Christ's name to my grave.
My heart goes out to my poor Christian brothers and sisters in Israel. Stand strong, my loved ones!!! Never give up on Christ who died for your sins.
Perhaps only they will be the lonely 144,000 survivors of the coming Holocaust of the End Times. May YAHWEH love and protect them all. In HIS holy name.
Bullshit. Take the Christian "Messianic Jew" tactics out of Israel and there will be no problem. If you want to play in the the traffic, be prepared to get hit. Messianic Jews are not Jews - They are Christians who play at being Jews.
According to the Central Conference of American Rabbis (Reform):
"For us in the Jewish community, anyone who claims that Jesus is their savior is no longer a Jew and is an apostate. Through that belief she has placed herself outside the Jewish community. Whether he/she cares to define herself as a Christian or as a 'fulfilled Jew,' 'Messianic Jew,' or any other designation is irrelevant; to us, he/she is clearly a Christian."
@LoraSinger=Both you and the Central Conference of American Rabbis (Reform) are sincerely dead wrong, the true and real apostate is you and the other Jews who reject Yeshua HaMashiach, you are all being blinded by HaSatan. You will never be worthy of salvation and redemption as long as all of you reject Him. The Central Conference of American Rabbis are not infallible at all, they are only human. It is the Bible and its prophets that should be believed and Messianic Jews are more Jewish.
@knightsofstjoan2004 - If we're blinded by anything, knight, it's called rational thinking. The bible and its so-called prophets were also human and largely ignorant as well. Messianic Jews are not even practicing Judaism, let alone more Jewish.
@LoraSinger=The prophets were directly and divinely inspired by God. For your information, Messianic Jews are practicing Judaism, as I've mentioned a while ago that their Judaism is the Judaism of the Bible (Biblical Judaism) and is centered on the Messiah and the salvation He brings, and they are brought near to God because of the atoning work of Yeshua, Israel's Chief Rabbi, who has fulfilled them as Jewish Believers and fulfilled Judaism itself.
@knightsofstjoan2004 - If Messianic Jews were practicing in Judaism, they would not be Christ followers. The bible does prophecy a messiah but the concept is different from that of Christianity. The Jewish messiah is human. The Christian messiah is a man-god.
@LoraSinger=That is where you are mistaken, both Messianic Judaism and Gentile Christianity have the correct and accurate concept of the Messiah according to the prophecies in the Bible. There is no such thing as a Christian Messiah, the Messiah is only one, Yeshua of Nazareth who is saviour and redeemer for all mankind, to the Jew first and then to the Gentile. Rabbinic Judaism has the wrong concept of the Messiah.
@knightsofstjoan2004 What you are saying then, knight, that YOU have it right and the people whose book it is and has been for thousands of years, have it all wrong. I doubt it. Pagan-based Christianity split off courtesy of Paul and is a whole different religion. Messianic Judaism, with its belief in the SAVIOR Jesus is part of that pagan-based belief, Christian to the core, masquerading a some sort of Judaism, unrelatd to Ebionites and Nazarenes, the first Jewish Christians.
@LoraSinger=Messianic Judaism in the 1st century A.D. did have the correct and accurate concept of the Messiah according to the prophecies in the Bible, it is proven Luke 24:44-49 and it is not a pagan-based belief at all. The Bible makes it clear that God first had His people Israel in mind when He brought salvation. Luke 2:29-32 makes it clear that Simeon has realized that the infant Yeshua HaMashiach is destined to be a savior of Israel and a light to the nations.
@knightsofstjoan2004 Your kind of "Messianic Judaism" didn't exist in the 1st century. Quoting Luke actually proves it since Luke is traditionally held to be a companion of Paul and the one who wrote Paul's stories down. Paul, of course, invented your kind of Christianity.
@LoraSinger=Wrong, Messianic Judaism did exist in the 1st century A.D., faith and belief in the true and authentic Messiah Yeshua of Nazareth is originally a sect of Judaism. It' still a doubt that Paul invented Christianity because he commanded Messianic Jews to not become uncircumcised (see 1 Corinthians 7:18), which means not to seek assimilation into Gentile culture, but rather to continue their Jewish way of life.
@knightsofstjoan2004 "So-called "Messianic Judaism" has had results in attracting the ill informed by establishing a false religio-cultural setting that is neither truly Jewish nor truly Christian, but a misrepresentation of both. However, its basic religious loyalties are to Christian beliefs associated with Protestant fundamentalist church denominations. Indeed, many of its so-called "rabbis" are ordained Christian ministers; many are not even Jewish by birth.
@LoraSinger=Messianic Judaism does not establish a false religious-cultural setting at all. Biblical Judaism itself would promise what it will do and that is to bring the whole world both Jew and Gentile to know and worship the God of Israel through the Messiah Yeshua. What is written in the Hebrew Scriptures must be fulfilled. Yeshua HaMashiach is the light of the world.
@knightsofstjoan2004 2) Fabricating a counterfeit ritual and cultural milieu, this self-styled "Messianic Jewish movement," creates an illusion of adhering to a form of first century Jewish Christianity as practiced by the early Jewish followers of Jesus. The ritual and cultural milieu they depict never existed.
@knightsofstjoan2004 For your information, Messianic Jews are practicing Judaism"
And for yours, Messianic Jews who believe in the god-man Jesus are practicing idolatry, even as other Christians of the same belief are practicing idolatry.
@LoraSinger=That is where you are mistaken, it is not idolatrous at all to believe that Yeshua HaMashiach is HaShem the Lord God of Israel manifested in the flesh because what is foretold in Isaiah 9:6 is definitely and absolutely true. You go and read what says in John1:1-14 and 1 Timothy 3:16. The Bible makes it very clear in 1 John 4:1-3 that whoever acknowledges that Yeshua HaMashiach is God who came in the flesh has the spirit of truth which is from God,
@LoraSinger=You are sincerely dead wrong in everything what you say about the Tanakh and Brit Chadasha and Paul. Yeshua HaMashiach was not the first appearance of God in the flesh. It is ridiculous, hypocrisy and insane if you say and think that you can do anything that God can't do.
@knightsofstjoan2004 "Yeshua HaMashiach was not the first appearance of God in the flesh."
Not for pagans - on that you're right BUT Torah states: God does not become a man and man does not become God. As far as Jesus being a God - God also said "I am the first, I am the last and beside me there is no God".
(continued) God can do anything according to His will, He can interact with his creation and above all of that God appeared and manifested himself in the flesh many times in the Tanakh (see Genesis 3:8, Genesis 18:1-14, Genesis 32:24-30, Exodus 24:9-11, Joshua 5:13-15, Judges 13:22, Proverbs 30:4) and many were surprised.
@knightsofstjoan2004 - Again, you are reading something that isn't there. "appeared" but nothing is said about a flesh and blood being. Hearing a voice doesn't mean a body is attached to it in biblical terms. Doesn't wash, knight.
@LoraSinger=Wrong, I have analyzed it especially in the book o Joshua when Joshua took o his shoes and worshipped and that was God himself appearing in a human form, Yeshua HaMashiach in his pre-birth form. It seems you have not take a closer and and deeper look that God was interacting with humankind by appearing in a human form and it does not annul his divinity.
(continued) and whoever denies this does not have the spirit of truth which is from God but rather the spirit of the Anti-Christ. Read 1 Corinthians 4:4 "In whom the god of this world (HaSatan) hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of the Messiah, who is the image of God, should shine unto them."
@knightsofstjoan2004@knightsofstjoan2004 Knight, if this was anything more than a story, why didn't historians contemporary to his time even notice all the miracles. Maybe because they are just that, stories.
Philo (20BC-40AD), Pliny the elder (23AD-79AD), Seneca the elder (54BC-39AD), Seneca the younger (4BC-65AD) - not a word, especially from Philo who had relatives in Jerusalem and was highly interested in afterlife.
@LoraSinger=Yeshua HaMashiach fulfilled Isaiah 61:1, He performed many miracles and preached the gospels (good news) and brought great blessings to the nation of Israel.
Isaiah is speaking of God: " The spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to bring good tidings unto the humble; He hath sent me to bind up the broken-hearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the eyes to them that are bound"
You're reallyg grasping at straws, aren't you knight?
@knightsofstjoan2004 He performed many miracles and preached the gospels (good news) and brought great blessings to the nation of Israel.
Jesus upheld the Torah which he preached to Jews who were losing their faith through Hellinization. He didn't preach to Gentiles. The miracles are a moot probability, a legend that grew with time. WHAT blessings did he bring to Israel who considered him to be a failed messiah?
During Yom Kippur, a Jew tries to amend his or her behavior and seek forgiveness for wrongs done against God and against other human beings. The evening and day of Yom Kippur are set aside for public and private petitions and confessions of guilt At the end of Yom Kippur, one considers oneself absolved by God. Just as Jesus taught, you can go directly to God, repent and pray, and he will know what you need.
@LoraSinger=Yeshua HaMashiach is the atonement on Yom Kippur. Whoever believes in Him are justified, not by any works of righteousness they have done, but by His perfect righteousness and atoning blood and that there is no other name under heaven by which all must be saved.
@LoraSinger=You think you are correct when you say that Yeshua (JESUS) is the atonement only if you are a pagan? You are definitely and absolutely wrong. Yeshua HaMashiach is now the eternal Great High Priest after the order of Melchizedek and He provides true salvation which was only foreshadowed by the rituals and animal sacrifices of the Hebrew religion. He is the one and only perfect atonement for He is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.
@LoraSinger=Actually you are sincerely dead wrong, Yeshua HaMashiach is now the eternal Great High Priest after the order of Melchizedek and He provides true salvation which was only foreshadowed by the rituals and animal sacrifices of the Hebrew religion. He is the one and only perfect atonement for He is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. It is the most Jewish thing and not pagan at all and the truth is that faith in His atoning blood provides true cleansing of sins.
@knightsofstjoan2004 He is ....the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world"
This is not Jewish but it IS pagan, in fact Tertullian complained vigorously about how the Devil had imitated the pagan God Mithra in Rome IN ADVANCE BY IMITATING CHRISTIAN THOUGHT. In fact , one of the largest Mithraic temples built in Italy now lies under the present site of the Church of St. Clemente, near the Colosseum in Rome. Your belief isn't Jewish, babe - It's pagan Christian all the way.
@LoraSinger=That is where you are mistaken, Yeshua HaMashiach fulfilled Isaiah 53 and thus becoming the perfect atonement for the sins of many is not inspired by the pagan gods at all. It is the most Jewish thing and not pagan at all because the prophet Isaiah says is true that He will suffer and the die for the transgressions and iniquities of many, and yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him and make his soul an offering for sin and he shall prolong his days.
@LoraSinger=You are totally mistaken in everything what you have said, it is not a Gentile Christian interpretation of Isaiah 53, it is actually the correct Biblical interpretation of Isaiah 53. The rabbis long before Rashi knew that Isaiah 53 was about the Messiah. How can Israel suffer and die for the sins of Israel and the world? It definitely and absolutely makes no sense at all. Rabbi Alschech in 1550 and Rabbi Eliyah de Vidas in 1575 knew too that Isaiah 53 is about the Messiah.
@knightsofstjoan2004 - Well, knight - your interpretation is not Jewish AND it's a Jewish book. Isaiah isn't about a messiah at all. Would you like the interpretation in your mailbox?
@Matthew1944=You are sincerely dead wrong, it is definitely and absolutely Jewish because it is exactly the the correct Biblical interpretation of Isaiah 53.
@knightsofstjoan2004 -The rabbis long before Rashi knew that Isaiah 53 was about the Messiah. "
You're spinning again, Knight. Any rabbi would be a Torah upholding rabbi - That's what Judaism is all about - upholding the Torah. Torah states that every person must atone for his own sins and no one else can do it for him. Human sacrifice and vicarious atonement is not Jewish.
You have an interesting profile page, knight - a Philipino practicing Christian who uses Jewish words, has no idea what Jews actually believe, and still calls himself a Jew.
therefore Yeshua (JESUS) is definitely and absolutely a Jew. "
Of course, he was a Jew. He stated he upheld Torah. He also stated that he was sent ONLY to the Jews. He directed his apostles to avoid gentile towns. His thinking would then be Jewish and that alone would eliminate the idea of a man-god.
This reporter is a big fat liar. How dare he says that believing in the Tanakh and Brit Chadasha is a great sin of the Messianic Jews. It is definitely and absolutely not a great sin at all but a great blessing. It is foretold in Jeremiah 31:31-34 that God promised a new covenant for the house of Israel and the house of Judah. Romans 16:18 proves people like this reporter don't serve the Lord and they deceive the hearts and minds of people by means of fine words and flattering speeches.
The correct interpretation, knight, is that since it is an eternal covenant, it can only be RENEWED, but never broken, nor replaced by a new covenant. Romans doesn't prove anything except that it conveys Paul's blather. If anyone deceived hearts and minds of people with fine words, flattering speeches, lies and mythology it would be Paul with his pagan tales.
@LoraSinger=Wrong, you are definitely and absolutely and sincerely dead wrong and that proves your blindness, Paul was never influenced or inspired by the pagan Gentiles and he never wrote pagan tales. The Tanakh Scriptures provides the foundation of the Jewish faith and New Covenant Scriptures is the completion of the Jewish faith. The Hebrew Scriptures themselves affirm that they are not complete, but that God was going to make a New Covenant with the Jewish people (see Jeremiah 31:31-34).
@knightsofstjoan2004 Paul was never influenced or inspired by the pagan Gentiles and he never wrote pagan tales. "
He certainly did and for that reason, the Ebionites called him a liar and heretic. He came from Tarsus where worship of a god Baal-Taraz who was believed to have died to atone for the sins of mankind was rampant. Paul couldn't make it as a Pharisee because he wasn't one. The tribal system ended a few hundred years before his time, despite his claim of being a Benjamite.
@LoraSinger=You got it all wrong, Paul was appointed by the Lord and he received the Ruach HaKodesh and guided him to the truth and opened his eyes and enlightened him, therefore he was never influenced nor inspired by the pagan Gentiles and he never wrote pagan tales, Yeshua is the true and authentic Jewish Messiah, that's the truth and that truth is not overrated.
Wrong. He received a brilliant idea of piling a pagan story on top of Jewish history and came up with Christianity of which he was the head. He then marched off to Gentile pagan countries to preach and they, knowing no difference, accepted his concoction because they were already familiary with men-gods. Jesus was a teacher who was executed and won't be coming back any time soon.
@LoraSinger =You are the one who is wrong, not I. The Apostle was indeed appointed by the Lord but he never received a brilliant idea of piling a pagan story on top of Jewish history, in fact he kept the Torah and the other early Messianic Jews under the guidance of the Ruach HaKodesh and Ruach HaKodesh opened up their eyes to the scriptures about the true authentic Jewish Messiah Yeshua of Nazareth. Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri confirmed that Yeshua is the Messiah, met the Messiah in a vision
1) Paul said: Rom.10 For Christ is the end of the law, that every one who has faith may be justified.
2) Jesus said: 'If any man therefore sets aside even the least of the Law's demands, and teaches others to do the same, he will have the lowest place in the kingdom of Heaven.
(continued) and his vision is from God as foretold in Joel 2:28. And by the way you are mistaken, Yeshua will return long after the Gog and Magog war and after Ariel Sharon passes.
@knightsofstjoan2004 2) It was after Jesus death that Paul wove his tale based on pagan legend. In Judaic context, a messiah is to be fully human, NOT a man-God. It was with Paul, whose writings pre-dated even the gospels that he became a pagan man-god.
@LoraSinger=That is not true. Jeremiah 23:5-6 as well as Isaiah 7:14 and Isaiah 9:6 are messianic prophecies, the Messiah will be divine in nature and it will never happen that the Messiah will be fully human the way you expect it to be. God is not consigned nor limited to the flesh, He can manifest Himself in whatever form He pleases in order to fulfill His task. Yeshua of Nazareth was and is the form of flesh that God was manifest in. In this form, Yeshua HaMashiach is the Son of God.
@LoraSinger=You're sincerely dead wrong, the Apostle Paul has no pagan lore at all, we are following Biblical Judaism and what the prophets were talking about in the Hebrew Scriptures such as Jeremiah 23:5-6, Isaiah 7:14, Isaiah 9:6, Proverbs 30:4, and Micah 5:2 which is the the picture of the true and authentic Jewish Messiah, and not according to rabbinic traditions or speculations.
(continued) The Sinai covenant, upon which much of traditional (Rabbinic) Judaism is based, is a broken covenant. There is no Temple and there are no sacrifices by which they can be brought near to God and experience genuine atonement. Non-Messianic Judaism is based on this broken covenant, which cannot save them. God already established a New Covenant by means of Yeshua's death and resurrection. He died and rose again to atone for their sins,
@knightsofstjoan2004 An eternal covenant cannot be broken, only renewed, and there cannot be a new covenant for the same reason. Torah directs that every person must atone for their own sins and no one else can do it for them.
@LoraSinger=Yeshua HaMashiach fulfilled Isaiah 53, Psalm 22, and Daniel 9:24-27, and God no longer accepts blood atonement from animal sacrifices on Yom Kippur. The Lord says in Isaiah 1:11 "I delight not in the blood of bullocks, lambs, or goats. And why kaparot? The Lord does not delight in the blood of chickens either. It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take sins away and the blood of chickens does not take away sins either but the precious holy blood of Yeshua HaMashiach.
@LoraSinger=You are still dead wrong and you always will be. It is not pagan at all but a true messianic prophecy and a fulfillment of Isaiah 53. And those who believe in Him are justified, not by any works of righteousness they have done, but by His perfect righteousness and atoning blood and that there is no other name under heaven by which all must be saved.
(continued) so that they can enter into this New Covenant relationship with God. Yeshua ascended to the right hand of God the Father, and is coming back to Earth to reign from Jerusalem over Israel and all the nations of the world. At that time the fullness of the New Covenant will be realized.
@LoraSinger=Wrong, Yeshua was not a failed Messiah. The Jewish remnant will look upon Him whom they have pierced, repent of their sins, and receive Him as their Messiah (see Zechariah 12:10 and Romans 11:1-6 & 25-36). He will return coming from the clouds of heaven (see Daniel 7:13-14) and will usher in the messianic age and he will sit on the throne of David in Jerusalem and will reign as Lord of Lords and King of Kings.
@knightsofstjoan2004 - He certainly is a failed messiah. Where is the temple? Is there world peace? Is the entire world converted to Judaism? NO, and he died before it was accomplished and THAT'S what makes him a failed messiah.
"He will return coming from the clouds of heaven "
@LoraSinger=No, He is not a failed Messiah. Peace begins in the heart and all must recognize their sinful condition and repent, He fufilled Isaiah 53 and brings peace to the individual who believes in Him and many will upon him whom they have pierced and He will usher in the messianic age at his return and will bring true peace in the world. Daniel 9:24-27 is foretold that the Messiah will to come and die and resurrect prior to the destruction of Jerusalem and the Second Temple, but blood from
He was executed on a cross, not sacrificed on an alter. He didn't fulfill lthe tasks required during his lifetime. Human sacrifice was/ is forbidden. Of course, he was a failed missiah.
@LoraSinger=He never was a failed Messiah, He will fulfill the other rest of the prophecies when He returns. And if you keep saying that He is a failed Messiah and denying the atonement He has provided, one day you will be judged by Him in the end.
@knightsofstjoan2004 -And if you keep saying that He is a failed Messiah and denying the atonement He has provided, one day you will be judged by Him in the end.
Yup, and if you don't watch out, Zeus will get you too.
@LoraSinger=No way, it will be the Messiah Yeshua who will judge you in the end, He will seperate those who have responded to Him for salvation and redemption from those who have rejected Him, and since you have shown signs of rejection of Him your name will not be in the book of life and you are going to suffer eternal damnation.
@knightsofstjoan2004 He will seperate those who have responded to Him for salvation and redemption from those who have rejected Him,"
Every person must atone for HIS OWN sins, knight. This is in the Torah that Jesus upheld. He was a Torah-upholding Jew, who knew this as well. Do you think he was the origin of the pagan god-man dying for mankind story? Not even a chance. His divinity started with Paul after his death.
@LoraSinger=Isaiah 53 is a messianic prophecy fulfilled by Yeshua and therefore there is no need for continual sacrifices because He provided the once-and-for-all of the sins of many (see Hebrews 7:27, Hebrews 9:11-14, Hebrews 9:24-28, and Hebrews 10:11-20). Romans 3:25, 1 John 2:2, and 1 John 4:10 clearly proves that Yeshua HaMashiach is the propitiation or expiation of the sins of the whole world.
@knightsofstjoan2004 -there is no need for continual sacrifices because He provided the once-and-for-all of the sins of many"
Isaiah 53 has nothing to do with Jesus and is another mis-translation. Would you like an accurate one in your mailbox? Similarly spelled words for "pierced" and "like a lion" have been interchanged, probably deliberately, to alter the meaning. As far as one "dying for the sins of many" - again you have the pagan element introduced by Paul.
@LoraSinger =Wrong, you got it wrong again, Isaiah 53 does have something to do with Yeshua (JESUS). The Bible Code from Isaiah 53 reveals that Yeshua is the Messiah who is Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world through his precious holy blood. I do not have a pagan element and Paul was never pagan inspired either, he knows the truth because the spirit of truth is given to him by the Lord under the guidance of the Ruach HaKodesh. That's the truth and that truth is not overrated.
@LoraSinger=That is where you are mistaken, it so happened that the Hebrew Scriptures says that he would suffer and die for the sins of many. Yeshua HaMashiach is definitely and absolutely the perfect sacrifice because He is God manifested in the flesh and only God is sinless, only God Himself is a pure enough sacrifice to satisfy His holy justice, for all men have sinned.
@knightsofstjoan2004 - Human sacrifice and vicarious atonement isn't Jewish, Knight. It is however a pagan custom. God manifested in the flesh isn't Jewish since Judaism believes that God is without form. You are a Christian missionary, preaching Christian dogma and calling yourself Jewish - BUT you still a Christian.
@LoraSinger=You are a blind fool, still you are mistaken, Isaiah 9:6 is not a hoax and it is not about Ahaz either, it is a messianic prophecy that the Messiah will be God incarnate, therefore God came from the spiritual realm and entered into the physical realm by incarnating and manifesting Himself in the flesh, but it never annuled His divinity. And by the way you're sincerely dead wrong, I'm not a Christian missionary and I'm not preaching Christian dogma either, I am witnessing the truth.
@knightsofstjoan2004 - it is a messianic prophecy that the Messiah will be God incarnate.
There is no messianic prophecy that the Messiah will be God incarnate. If , as you believe, he manifested into a physical realm, then he lived as a human for a time and died as a human, then he was a human sacrifice. Judaism doesn't believe in human sacrifice. It's just not Jewish.
@LoraSinger=That is were you are mistaken, it says clearly in Isaiah 9:6 and The Lord Our Righteousness in Jeremiah 23:5-6 is a name given to the Messiah contains the divine name YHWH, a clear indication that the Messiah is to be a divine being. It was not a human sacrifice at all but a perfect sacrifice because Yeshua is God manifested in the flesh and perfectly sinless and has resurrected, you are blind because you relied to much on Rabbinic Judaism and failed to realize the truth.
@knightsofstjoan2004 A perfect sacrifice takes place in the prescribed manner on an alter as given in Leviticus, not on a Roman cross. In any case, human sacrifice was forbidden to the Jews. It's just not Jewish, knight - but, of course, it was quite commonly practiced by pagans on which Christianity is based.
@LoraSinger=It is not pagan in nature and that proves your blindness because you failed to realize that Yom Kippur has a prophetic and messianic significance and how Yom Kippur foreshadowed the Messiah. Christianity did not get this kind of idea at all, Biblical Judaism and Messianic Judaism does recognize and realize what exactly Isaiah 53 is speaking of and it is definitely and absolutely the Suffering Servant Messiah.
@LoraSinger=Wrong, you are still sincerely dead wrong. It is the most Jewish thing to believe that Yeshua HaMashiach is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of mankind through His precious holy blood. Isaiah 53 is definitely and absolutely not Israel and Israel is not the suffering servant at all, you are sincerely dead wrong like Rashi is. You are no wise guy at all, the correct answer is it's the Suffering Servant Messiah, "He" in that verse refers to someone else and that is Yeshua.
@knightsofstjoan2004 Believe whatever you want, knight. Argueing with you is like giving medicine to a dead man. Like a parrot, you keep repeating the same nonsense over and over again. You are wrong but too far gone to ever know it.
@LoraSinger=It is you who is wrong, not I. It will be the true and authentic Messiah who will judge you in the end. When you stand infront of God Almighty on Judgement Day, you will realize that He HaShem the Lord God of Israel is Yeshua the Jewish Messiah and you will surely tremble and be ashamed of your rejection of Him, you find that out when you get there.
@knightsofstjoan2004 -, it says clearly in Isaiah 9:6 and The Lord Our Righteousness in Jeremiah 23:5-6 "
Every Jewish name has a meaning but that doesn't make them a messiah. Batel (daughter of God), Daniel (God is my judge), Eliezer (God is my help), Elijah (My god is Yahweh) and so on.
@LoraSinger=You are no wise guy, Yeshua HaMashaich is the true and authentic Jewish Messiah and He perfectly fits Jeremiah 23:5-6, Isaiah :14, and Isaiah 9:6 and other messianic prophecies from the Tanakh verses.
@LoraSinger=You are still sincerely dead wrong. It is definitely and absolutely Jewish because the truth is that Yeshua HaMashiach is definitely and absolutely the true and authentic Jewish Messiah and that truth is not overrated. It seems that you are not Jewish enough, Messianic Jews are more Jewish than you are because they are completed and fulfilled Jews.
@LoraSinger=Messianic Jews do not prefer to call themselves Christians. Only Catholics and Protestants as well as Orthodox Christians are Christians, and they are Gentile believers and followers and they are not necessarily required to follow Jewish customs and traditions. And by the way being a completed and fulfilled Jew does in fact exist and that is the bottom line. You are no better than the amazing Messianic Jew Aviad Cohen.
@LoraSinger=That is totally inaccurate. Nothing could be more Jewish than to follow Israel's Messiah. Jews call themselves Messianic Jews which identifies themselves as Jewish people who follow the Messiah Yeshua. And besides, Yeshua lived a very Jewish lifestyle and lived accordingly to Jewish traditions and customs, as well as His disciples and appointed apostles.
@knightsofstjoan2004 Nothing could be more Jewish than to follow Israel's Messiah.
Jews still await the messiah.
Messianic Jews are Christians.
"Yeshua" was born and died a JEW. He had nothing to do with Christians either. The father of your religion is Paul of the pagan tales. Jesus apostles were directed to avoid gentile towns. Paul was the FIRST apostle to the gentiles.
@LoraSinger=Actually you have missed the Messiah that came by the 1st century A.D. Messianic Jews are Jews who believe in Yeshua the true and authentic Messiah, the term Messianic Jew is a Hebraic term. Gentiles who follow and believe in Yeshua are Christians and it's a Greek-Latin term. Paul never had pagan tales and her never was influenced by the pagan gentiles and he was never the father of Christianity, it was the Gentiles themselves who wanted to split off and form a seperate religion.
@knightsofstjoan2004 Messianic Jews are Christians who believe in a diving (god-man) Jesus, knight. You cannot deny that you are Christian if that is your belief. It doesn't matter what Hebraic terms you use. Paul came from Tarsus where Baal-Taraz was worshipped - a man-God who died for the sins of mankind and he most certainly is the father of Pauline Christianity as it is today. The Gentiles were largely pagan and had nothing to split off from except for conversion to Pauline Christianity.
@LoraSinger 2) There is a very good site called "The True Story of Christianity" and I would suggest that you give it a good read before spewing all more nonsense.
@LoraSinger=Christians are Gentile believers and Messianic Jews are Jewish believers in the Messiah Yeshua. And by the way, that is a big fat lie, Yeshua HaMashiach who was the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world is not inspired by Baal-Taraz at all, there is no connection are whatsoever, you can't compare Yeshua to Baal-Taraz, and that is still a doubt that Paul was a father of Christianity.
@knightsofstjoan2004 - Messianic Jews are Christians of Jewish background. Once they are Christians, they are no longer practicing Judaism. Jesus of Pauline Christianity and Baal-Taraz are both men-gods who died for mankind. Look up "Pauline Christianity" and see.
@LoraSinger=That is where you are wrong, Messianic Jews are still Jewish, faith and belief in the Messiah Yeshua is originaly a sect of Judaism. The Apostle Paul was a Messianic Jew and he was never inspired nor influenced by the pagan Gentiles, it seems you have got the wrong information.
@knightsofstjoan2004 - Paul was a Roman citizen. Roman citizenship from birth means Saul had to be given a Roman name from birth. Paul is a Roman name. A true Jewish family would not give their child a Roman name or even accept Roman citizenship from birth. This would represent defilement. Thus, Paul had to be from birth a non-Jew. However, his parents also named him Saul, which is a Jewish name. Thus, his parents aspired to be Jewish. This fits perfectly the Herodians. Wannabe Jews.
@knightsofstjoan2004 "Saul (later Paul) is from the tribe of Benjamin, therefore he is a Jew. "
The Ebionites say he was not. In First Century Judaism, no one had accurate knowledge of his descent from Benjamin. Knowledge of the tribal origins of individual families had long since been lost. None could trace their lineage, with the exception of the priestly tribe of Levi and Aaron,
@knightsofstjoan2004 - There is Jewish lineage and there is the religion called Judaism. Not all those practicing Judaism have a Jewish lineage and not all those with Jewish lineage practice Judaism. Messianic Jews are Christians of Jewish lineage.
@knightsofstjoan2004 -Messianic Jews are Jews who believe in Yeshua the true and authentic Messiah, the term Messianic Jew is a Hebraic term.
In trying to link your group back to history, to the Jewish Christians, you must also keep in mind that the followers of Jesus, later called Ebionites, regarded him to be fully human, a pre-requisite for a Jewish messiah, NOT divine. It was the Catholic Council of Nicea in the fourth century that made him officially divine and invented the trinity.
@LoraSinger=The Ebionites may have regarded the Messiah Yeshua to be fully human and not divine but that is where they are mistaken because they failed to understand clearly what the Hebrew Scriptures exactly say. Yeshua HaMashiach revealed His divinity during the 1st century A .D. that He is indeed the Messiah the Son of God long before the Catholic Church came to existence in the 4th century A .D. The word trinity is not mentioned anywhere in the Brit Chadasha.
@knightsofstjoan2004 - The Ebionites and their descendants were people who knew Jesus and/or studied under him and his apostles. Paul made up his version on the fly, without even having met Jesus. I think I'd go with the Ebionites.
@LoraSinger=The Ebionites may have been mistaken but the true Messianic Jews got it exactly correct and accurate. Paul met the resurrected Messiah Yeshua when he was on his way to Damascus, it was divine intervention.
@LoraSinger=I doubt that there is a contradiction involved, what is correct is that it was divine intervention that Saul (later Paul) met the resurrected Messiah when he was on his way to Damascus. It was also a divine intervention when Yeshua HaMashiach appeared to Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri in a vision. Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri is the modern day Paul.
@knightsofstjoan2004 Ah, yes Kaduri, who wrote when he wasn't physically able to write, so his son says. Of course you wouldn't believe that. If you don't think there was a contradiction in his so called vision, give it a read.
@LoraSinger=The Bible Code from Jeremiah 23:5-6, Numbers 24:17, Isaiah 7:14, Isaiah 9:6, Isaiah 53, Zechariah 9:9, Psalm 22, and Daniel 9:24-27 reveals the Messiah's name is Yeshua. It matches the same name of the Messiah that Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri wrote in a note, therefore the note is definitely and absolutely authentic. It is God's work under the intervention of the Ruach HaKodesh, Yeshua HaMashiach appeared to Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri in a vision and revealed His name to him.
@knightsofstjoan2004 - Interesting! Now you've made a series of cherry picked verses into a bible code. When bible-code searches are done, they ignore the vowel markings, which means that the same series of consonants could represent several different words. They merely add whatever vowels they want to make the words they are looking for."
@LoraSinger=Yeshua HaMashiach is the true and authentic Jewish Messiah, He is saviour and redeemer or all mankind, to the Jew first and then to the Gentile. This is the picture of the real Messiah. He has resurrected three days after His crucifixion and is alive and well to this day.
@knightsofstjoan2004 A man-god savior and redeemer to all mankind is a pagan concept. He was a human male who was crucified for a crime against Rome, died and remains dead to this day.
@LoraSinger=Wrong, you are sincerely dead wrong and that proves your blindness and Isaiah 6:9-10 proves how blind you really are. Psalm 22, Isaiah 53, and Daniel 9:24-26 are messianic prophecies including Psalm 16:10-11 and Psalm 49:15 therefore Yeshua HaMashiach has risen and is still alive to this day. Praise be to God, Alleluia! AMEN!
@knightsofstjoan2004 Oh yes - Isaiah 6:9 where it reads: For unto us a child IS born, unto us a son IS given. It means NOW, at THAT TIME.
I can see why Christians are being persecuted. You go to another country and preach that white is black and insist that YOU are right in spite of the fact that the people you are preaching to WROTE the book and know it better than you.
Good luck, Christian. You deserve everything you ask for.
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rodgerson8 1 week ago
Goy supporting persecution of goyim. nah i dont think so. Fascism that would be stolen land (Israhell).
n0manland 1 month ago
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vechorik 5 months ago
Israeli Jewish Christians, nothing better than Jews coming to their true Messiah Yeshua! Pray for them they need it baddly!
Allanlegacy43 5 months ago
If religion generates hate , No thanks.
nightthunder11 6 months ago
the so called israel needs to convert into a democracy.
nightthunder11 6 months ago
This news reporter sounds very hateful against Messianic Jews and Christians. I love Israel very much and will continue to support her. I will say that not all Jewish Israelis hate Christians or Messianic Jews. I'm Christian and many of my friends are Israeli Jews and they have been kind and loving towards me. But not all Jewish Israelis are that way. I wish those specific Jewish Israelis, who hate against Christians and Messianic Jews, would stop their persecution. God protect Israel.
EmilyGreene1984 7 months ago
@EmilyGreene1984 Thank God for Christians like you and your Jewish Israeli friends! If there enough people like you around you might even be able to help "nightthunder11" to be rational. May there be peace on Earth.
frbjoernLA 6 months ago
@EmilyGreene1984,
I didn't think he sounded hateful at all. He advocated tolerance towards these "messianic Jews".
TheFlanker35 3 months ago
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sure there not
celph414 2 months ago
@EmilyGreene1984 What about the INDIGENOUS Palestinians they genocide? No Decent Christian, or even human being whatever their persuasion, in their right mind would support this synagogue to satan.
n0manland 1 month ago
@n0manland How are the Palestinians indigenous to that land and the Jews not?
That land belonged to the Jews over two thousand years ago. That according to the oldest historical records know to man...The Bible.
The so called Palestinians are a mongrel race of Arab immigrants from mainly Jordan Syria and Egypt and Lebonon
ManlnCognito 1 month ago
@ManlnCognito : Lol. Its not a history book, more of a myth and even it said the Israelites, to whom modern day jewry do not descend, from, invaded. You clearly do not know the meaning of the word "indigenous" The oldest home in Jericho is 10000 years old. As for that mongrel race.VAST majority of Palestinians are Levantines, merely linguistically and culturally Arabized. The legend of the diaspora: Another myth. No literature anywhere to prove that.
n0manland 1 month ago
@n0manland Interesting theory, I should like to know the source of your information.
If the Jews were not driven from that land what happened to the Jews of that region? Why was the name of the country changed from Judea/Israel? Why did the returning Jews speak Hebrew? the language of the exiled Jews?
Even the quran confirms Jews are indigenous to that land.
ManlnCognito 1 month ago
@ManlnCognito : The Jews did not speak Hebrew when they went illegally to Palestine, it was a dead language. They had to have classes in that. The word "theory" and "returning" give your incognito status away propagandist troll. Go read a non fiction book and get educated.
n0manland 1 month ago
@n0manland That land belongs to the Jews, and the dirty Muslim scum need to get the fuck out
ManlnCognito 1 month ago
@ManlnCognito : What I tell ya. Exposed another evil play pretend be nice squatter troll.
n0manland 1 month ago
@n0manland I dont pretend to be anything. I hate Muslims, and any enemy of theirs is a friend of mine
ManlnCognito 1 month ago
@ManlnCognito : You're a very disturbed nutjob. The world would be a much better place if none of you agent provocateurs were not in it. Besides you scum don't like any goy. Period.
n0manland 1 month ago
@n0manland “dont like any goy” What does that mean?
Islam is evil, it promotes violence, anti Semitism, homophobia and segregation. It’s fascist cult that needs to be wiped out
Do some research you you deluded fool
ManlnCognito 1 month ago
@ManlnCognito : Delusional fool? You sound positively RETARDED. Goy=non Jew.
n0manland 1 month ago
@n0manland Then I’m a “Goy”
And you sound like a clueless, head-in-the-sand apologist for fascism.
lol
ManlnCognito 1 month ago
@ManlnCognito : The exile of the Jewish people is originally a Christian myth that depicted that event as divine punishment imposed on the Jews for having rejected the Christian gospel.Over 90% of modern Jewry originate in the steppes of Russia (khazaria)
n0manland 1 month ago
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These Jews don't realize that the Christian USA and other Christian nation bail their forefathers and fathers out from the Nazi Concentration camp. One will wonder through this video whether the move to release them was right. The sacrifice of Christians around the World made these Jews what they are today. When the Muslim attack them, they run to their Christian savior for help.
Naitasiri2000 7 months ago
Jesus said hell would return when his people called his name-JESUS!,messianic jews are born again jews,and have found salvation,when will the rest of israel understand that the messiah has been and gone?,just as the first time the religious jews attacked Jesus,they are doing the same again! May God bless all who call on the name of the lord,and God bless israel!!!!!
andymcq2509 7 months ago
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WAS JESUS ANTI-SEMETIC WHEN HE TOLD US IN REV 2:9 AND 3:9 ABOUT THE LYING JEWS OF THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN. He was from the line of David. And he knew the truth about the EDOMITES that God himself hates written in the old testament . They are the Masquerading Edomites. Supported by NOSTRADAMUS AS WELL. We who know God know the real from the Liars as Jesus called them.
Jointheir777 9 months ago
Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds;and every eye shall see him,and they also which pierced him:and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen
Mooiplaats 11 months ago
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nacaaswanacas 11 months ago
In the upcoming one-world religion, Christians will be put to death for not renouncing their Savior and God Jesus Christ. They are the only group that's not going to fall for the pre-planned satanist world leader. If you're not a believer by now look at what is going on in the world then look at the prophecy. Peace and love to all. I take Christ's name to my grave.
Biblehastheanswer 1 year ago 2
@Biblehastheanswer Amen (So Be it!)
Iceman4Christ 11 months ago
This is slowly changing - be of good cheer
lizzarddawg 1 year ago
My heart goes out to my poor Christian brothers and sisters in Israel. Stand strong, my loved ones!!! Never give up on Christ who died for your sins.
Perhaps only they will be the lonely 144,000 survivors of the coming Holocaust of the End Times. May YAHWEH love and protect them all. In HIS holy name.
ProphetLuong 1 year ago 2
@ProphetLuong blessings to you for your kind words to these,
wolftreetree 10 months ago
Bullshit. Take the Christian "Messianic Jew" tactics out of Israel and there will be no problem. If you want to play in the the traffic, be prepared to get hit. Messianic Jews are not Jews - They are Christians who play at being Jews.
Matthew1944 1 year ago
According to the Central Conference of American Rabbis (Reform):
"For us in the Jewish community, anyone who claims that Jesus is their savior is no longer a Jew and is an apostate. Through that belief she has placed herself outside the Jewish community. Whether he/she cares to define herself as a Christian or as a 'fulfilled Jew,' 'Messianic Jew,' or any other designation is irrelevant; to us, he/she is clearly a Christian."
LoraSinger 1 year ago
@LoraSinger=Both you and the Central Conference of American Rabbis (Reform) are sincerely dead wrong, the true and real apostate is you and the other Jews who reject Yeshua HaMashiach, you are all being blinded by HaSatan. You will never be worthy of salvation and redemption as long as all of you reject Him. The Central Conference of American Rabbis are not infallible at all, they are only human. It is the Bible and its prophets that should be believed and Messianic Jews are more Jewish.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 - If we're blinded by anything, knight, it's called rational thinking. The bible and its so-called prophets were also human and largely ignorant as well. Messianic Jews are not even practicing Judaism, let alone more Jewish.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
@LoraSinger=The prophets were directly and divinely inspired by God. For your information, Messianic Jews are practicing Judaism, as I've mentioned a while ago that their Judaism is the Judaism of the Bible (Biblical Judaism) and is centered on the Messiah and the salvation He brings, and they are brought near to God because of the atoning work of Yeshua, Israel's Chief Rabbi, who has fulfilled them as Jewish Believers and fulfilled Judaism itself.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 - If Messianic Jews were practicing in Judaism, they would not be Christ followers. The bible does prophecy a messiah but the concept is different from that of Christianity. The Jewish messiah is human. The Christian messiah is a man-god.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
@LoraSinger=That is where you are mistaken, both Messianic Judaism and Gentile Christianity have the correct and accurate concept of the Messiah according to the prophecies in the Bible. There is no such thing as a Christian Messiah, the Messiah is only one, Yeshua of Nazareth who is saviour and redeemer for all mankind, to the Jew first and then to the Gentile. Rabbinic Judaism has the wrong concept of the Messiah.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 What you are saying then, knight, that YOU have it right and the people whose book it is and has been for thousands of years, have it all wrong. I doubt it. Pagan-based Christianity split off courtesy of Paul and is a whole different religion. Messianic Judaism, with its belief in the SAVIOR Jesus is part of that pagan-based belief, Christian to the core, masquerading a some sort of Judaism, unrelatd to Ebionites and Nazarenes, the first Jewish Christians.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
@LoraSinger=Messianic Judaism in the 1st century A.D. did have the correct and accurate concept of the Messiah according to the prophecies in the Bible, it is proven Luke 24:44-49 and it is not a pagan-based belief at all. The Bible makes it clear that God first had His people Israel in mind when He brought salvation. Luke 2:29-32 makes it clear that Simeon has realized that the infant Yeshua HaMashiach is destined to be a savior of Israel and a light to the nations.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 Your kind of "Messianic Judaism" didn't exist in the 1st century. Quoting Luke actually proves it since Luke is traditionally held to be a companion of Paul and the one who wrote Paul's stories down. Paul, of course, invented your kind of Christianity.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
@LoraSinger=Wrong, Messianic Judaism did exist in the 1st century A.D., faith and belief in the true and authentic Messiah Yeshua of Nazareth is originally a sect of Judaism. It' still a doubt that Paul invented Christianity because he commanded Messianic Jews to not become uncircumcised (see 1 Corinthians 7:18), which means not to seek assimilation into Gentile culture, but rather to continue their Jewish way of life.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 "So-called "Messianic Judaism" has had results in attracting the ill informed by establishing a false religio-cultural setting that is neither truly Jewish nor truly Christian, but a misrepresentation of both. However, its basic religious loyalties are to Christian beliefs associated with Protestant fundamentalist church denominations. Indeed, many of its so-called "rabbis" are ordained Christian ministers; many are not even Jewish by birth.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
@LoraSinger=Messianic Judaism does not establish a false religious-cultural setting at all. Biblical Judaism itself would promise what it will do and that is to bring the whole world both Jew and Gentile to know and worship the God of Israel through the Messiah Yeshua. What is written in the Hebrew Scriptures must be fulfilled. Yeshua HaMashiach is the light of the world.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 2) Fabricating a counterfeit ritual and cultural milieu, this self-styled "Messianic Jewish movement," creates an illusion of adhering to a form of first century Jewish Christianity as practiced by the early Jewish followers of Jesus. The ritual and cultural milieu they depict never existed.
jewsforjudaismDOTorg/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=184:is-the-christian-movement-called-qmessianic-judaismq-a-form-of-judaism&catid=74
LoraSinger 1 year ago
@LoraSinger=There is no illusion nor fabrication involved in Messianic Judaism.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 For your information, Messianic Jews are practicing Judaism"
And for yours, Messianic Jews who believe in the god-man Jesus are practicing idolatry, even as other Christians of the same belief are practicing idolatry.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
@LoraSinger=That is where you are mistaken, it is not idolatrous at all to believe that Yeshua HaMashiach is HaShem the Lord God of Israel manifested in the flesh because what is foretold in Isaiah 9:6 is definitely and absolutely true. You go and read what says in John1:1-14 and 1 Timothy 3:16. The Bible makes it very clear in 1 John 4:1-3 that whoever acknowledges that Yeshua HaMashiach is God who came in the flesh has the spirit of truth which is from God,
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 The so called OT has nothing to do with a pagan man-God. The NT was largely Paul's spinnery complete with the God-man story.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
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@LoraSinger=You are sincerely dead wrong in everything what you say about the Tanakh and Brit Chadasha and Paul. Yeshua HaMashiach was not the first appearance of God in the flesh. It is ridiculous, hypocrisy and insane if you say and think that you can do anything that God can't do.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
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@knightsofstjoan2004 "Yeshua HaMashiach was not the first appearance of God in the flesh."
Not for pagans - on that you're right BUT Torah states: God does not become a man and man does not become God. As far as Jesus being a God - God also said "I am the first, I am the last and beside me there is no God".
LoraSinger 1 year ago
(continued) God can do anything according to His will, He can interact with his creation and above all of that God appeared and manifested himself in the flesh many times in the Tanakh (see Genesis 3:8, Genesis 18:1-14, Genesis 32:24-30, Exodus 24:9-11, Joshua 5:13-15, Judges 13:22, Proverbs 30:4) and many were surprised.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 - Again, you are reading something that isn't there. "appeared" but nothing is said about a flesh and blood being. Hearing a voice doesn't mean a body is attached to it in biblical terms. Doesn't wash, knight.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
@LoraSinger=Wrong, I have analyzed it especially in the book o Joshua when Joshua took o his shoes and worshipped and that was God himself appearing in a human form, Yeshua HaMashiach in his pre-birth form. It seems you have not take a closer and and deeper look that God was interacting with humankind by appearing in a human form and it does not annul his divinity.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 "Yeshua HaMashiach in his pre-birth form"
God said: I am the FIRST, I am the LAST, and there is NONE beside me"
LoraSinger 1 year ago
@LoraSinger=Wrong, God can interact with humankind by manifesting in whatever form he pleases to surprise many people.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
(continued) and whoever denies this does not have the spirit of truth which is from God but rather the spirit of the Anti-Christ. Read 1 Corinthians 4:4 "In whom the god of this world (HaSatan) hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of the Messiah, who is the image of God, should shine unto them."
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 @knightsofstjoan2004 Knight, if this was anything more than a story, why didn't historians contemporary to his time even notice all the miracles. Maybe because they are just that, stories.
Philo (20BC-40AD), Pliny the elder (23AD-79AD), Seneca the elder (54BC-39AD), Seneca the younger (4BC-65AD) - not a word, especially from Philo who had relatives in Jerusalem and was highly interested in afterlife.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
@LoraSinger=Yeshua HaMashiach fulfilled Isaiah 61:1, He performed many miracles and preached the gospels (good news) and brought great blessings to the nation of Israel.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
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@knightsofstjoan2004 "fulfilled Isaiah 61:1, "
Isaiah is speaking of God: " The spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to bring good tidings unto the humble; He hath sent me to bind up the broken-hearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the eyes to them that are bound"
You're reallyg grasping at straws, aren't you knight?
LoraSinger 1 year ago
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@knightsofstjoan2004 He performed many miracles and preached the gospels (good news) and brought great blessings to the nation of Israel.
Jesus upheld the Torah which he preached to Jews who were losing their faith through Hellinization. He didn't preach to Gentiles. The miracles are a moot probability, a legend that grew with time. WHAT blessings did he bring to Israel who considered him to be a failed messiah?
LoraSinger 1 year ago
Re: Yom Kippur, knight:
During Yom Kippur, a Jew tries to amend his or her behavior and seek forgiveness for wrongs done against God and against other human beings. The evening and day of Yom Kippur are set aside for public and private petitions and confessions of guilt At the end of Yom Kippur, one considers oneself absolved by God. Just as Jesus taught, you can go directly to God, repent and pray, and he will know what you need.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
@LoraSinger=Yeshua HaMashiach is the atonement on Yom Kippur. Whoever believes in Him are justified, not by any works of righteousness they have done, but by His perfect righteousness and atoning blood and that there is no other name under heaven by which all must be saved.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
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@knightsofstjoan2004 Jesus is the atonement only if you are a pagan. Faith without works is dead.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
@LoraSinger=You think you are correct when you say that Yeshua (JESUS) is the atonement only if you are a pagan? You are definitely and absolutely wrong. Yeshua HaMashiach is now the eternal Great High Priest after the order of Melchizedek and He provides true salvation which was only foreshadowed by the rituals and animal sacrifices of the Hebrew religion. He is the one and only perfect atonement for He is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 "Yeshua (JESUS) is the atonement only if you are a pagan? "
Absolutely. It's not Jewish and that leaves only the pagans. Saying it over and over and over again doesn't change a thing. It's not Jewish.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
@LoraSinger=Actually you are sincerely dead wrong, Yeshua HaMashiach is now the eternal Great High Priest after the order of Melchizedek and He provides true salvation which was only foreshadowed by the rituals and animal sacrifices of the Hebrew religion. He is the one and only perfect atonement for He is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. It is the most Jewish thing and not pagan at all and the truth is that faith in His atoning blood provides true cleansing of sins.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 He is ....the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world"
This is not Jewish but it IS pagan, in fact Tertullian complained vigorously about how the Devil had imitated the pagan God Mithra in Rome IN ADVANCE BY IMITATING CHRISTIAN THOUGHT. In fact , one of the largest Mithraic temples built in Italy now lies under the present site of the Church of St. Clemente, near the Colosseum in Rome. Your belief isn't Jewish, babe - It's pagan Christian all the way.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
@LoraSinger=That is where you are mistaken, Yeshua HaMashiach fulfilled Isaiah 53 and thus becoming the perfect atonement for the sins of many is not inspired by the pagan gods at all. It is the most Jewish thing and not pagan at all because the prophet Isaiah says is true that He will suffer and the die for the transgressions and iniquities of many, and yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him and make his soul an offering for sin and he shall prolong his days.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 =That is where you are mistaken, Yeshua HaMashiach fulfilled Isaiah 53'
That's the Christian interpretation, not Jewish. There were Jews and there were pagans. One person being atonement for others sins is not Jewish.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
@LoraSinger=You are totally mistaken in everything what you have said, it is not a Gentile Christian interpretation of Isaiah 53, it is actually the correct Biblical interpretation of Isaiah 53. The rabbis long before Rashi knew that Isaiah 53 was about the Messiah. How can Israel suffer and die for the sins of Israel and the world? It definitely and absolutely makes no sense at all. Rabbi Alschech in 1550 and Rabbi Eliyah de Vidas in 1575 knew too that Isaiah 53 is about the Messiah.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 - Well, knight - your interpretation is not Jewish AND it's a Jewish book. Isaiah isn't about a messiah at all. Would you like the interpretation in your mailbox?
Matthew1944 1 year ago
@Matthew1944=You are sincerely dead wrong, it is definitely and absolutely Jewish because it is exactly the the correct Biblical interpretation of Isaiah 53.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
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@knightsofstjoan2004 -The rabbis long before Rashi knew that Isaiah 53 was about the Messiah. "
You're spinning again, Knight. Any rabbi would be a Torah upholding rabbi - That's what Judaism is all about - upholding the Torah. Torah states that every person must atone for his own sins and no one else can do it for him. Human sacrifice and vicarious atonement is not Jewish.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
You have an interesting profile page, knight - a Philipino practicing Christian who uses Jewish words, has no idea what Jews actually believe, and still calls himself a Jew.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
therefore Yeshua (JESUS) is definitely and absolutely a Jew. "
Of course, he was a Jew. He stated he upheld Torah. He also stated that he was sent ONLY to the Jews. He directed his apostles to avoid gentile towns. His thinking would then be Jewish and that alone would eliminate the idea of a man-god.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
This reporter is a big fat liar. How dare he says that believing in the Tanakh and Brit Chadasha is a great sin of the Messianic Jews. It is definitely and absolutely not a great sin at all but a great blessing. It is foretold in Jeremiah 31:31-34 that God promised a new covenant for the house of Israel and the house of Judah. Romans 16:18 proves people like this reporter don't serve the Lord and they deceive the hearts and minds of people by means of fine words and flattering speeches.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 "God promised a new covenant for the house of Israel "
The correct interpretation, knight, is that since it is an eternal covenant, it can only be RENEWED, but never broken, nor replaced by a new covenant. Romans doesn't prove anything except that it conveys Paul's blather. If anyone deceived hearts and minds of people with fine words, flattering speeches, lies and mythology it would be Paul with his pagan tales.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
@LoraSinger=Wrong, you are definitely and absolutely and sincerely dead wrong and that proves your blindness, Paul was never influenced or inspired by the pagan Gentiles and he never wrote pagan tales. The Tanakh Scriptures provides the foundation of the Jewish faith and New Covenant Scriptures is the completion of the Jewish faith. The Hebrew Scriptures themselves affirm that they are not complete, but that God was going to make a New Covenant with the Jewish people (see Jeremiah 31:31-34).
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 Paul was never influenced or inspired by the pagan Gentiles and he never wrote pagan tales. "
He certainly did and for that reason, the Ebionites called him a liar and heretic. He came from Tarsus where worship of a god Baal-Taraz who was believed to have died to atone for the sins of mankind was rampant. Paul couldn't make it as a Pharisee because he wasn't one. The tribal system ended a few hundred years before his time, despite his claim of being a Benjamite.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
@LoraSinger=You got it all wrong, Paul was appointed by the Lord and he received the Ruach HaKodesh and guided him to the truth and opened his eyes and enlightened him, therefore he was never influenced nor inspired by the pagan Gentiles and he never wrote pagan tales, Yeshua is the true and authentic Jewish Messiah, that's the truth and that truth is not overrated.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 -Paul was appointed by the Lord"
Wrong. He received a brilliant idea of piling a pagan story on top of Jewish history and came up with Christianity of which he was the head. He then marched off to Gentile pagan countries to preach and they, knowing no difference, accepted his concoction because they were already familiary with men-gods. Jesus was a teacher who was executed and won't be coming back any time soon.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
@LoraSinger =You are the one who is wrong, not I. The Apostle was indeed appointed by the Lord but he never received a brilliant idea of piling a pagan story on top of Jewish history, in fact he kept the Torah and the other early Messianic Jews under the guidance of the Ruach HaKodesh and Ruach HaKodesh opened up their eyes to the scriptures about the true authentic Jewish Messiah Yeshua of Nazareth. Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri confirmed that Yeshua is the Messiah, met the Messiah in a vision
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 -in fact he kept the Torah "
Paul says: Rom.10 For Christ is the end of the law, that every one who has faith may be justified.
Torah IS the law.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
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@LoraSinger - In fact he kept the Torah"
1) Paul said: Rom.10 For Christ is the end of the law, that every one who has faith may be justified.
2) Jesus said: 'If any man therefore sets aside even the least of the Law's demands, and teaches others to do the same, he will have the lowest place in the kingdom of Heaven.
I guess Paul is at the bottom of the heap, right?
LoraSinger 1 year ago
(continued) and his vision is from God as foretold in Joel 2:28. And by the way you are mistaken, Yeshua will return long after the Gog and Magog war and after Ariel Sharon passes.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 - Yeshua will return long after the Gog and Magog war and after Ariel Sharon passes.
Again, it's going to be a long wait, king.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 2) It was after Jesus death that Paul wove his tale based on pagan legend. In Judaic context, a messiah is to be fully human, NOT a man-God. It was with Paul, whose writings pre-dated even the gospels that he became a pagan man-god.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
@LoraSinger=That is not true. Jeremiah 23:5-6 as well as Isaiah 7:14 and Isaiah 9:6 are messianic prophecies, the Messiah will be divine in nature and it will never happen that the Messiah will be fully human the way you expect it to be. God is not consigned nor limited to the flesh, He can manifest Himself in whatever form He pleases in order to fulfill His task. Yeshua of Nazareth was and is the form of flesh that God was manifest in. In this form, Yeshua HaMashiach is the Son of God.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 - the Messiah will be divine in nature "
If he is divine, then you are following Paul's pagan lore of men-gods, not Judaism.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
@LoraSinger=You're sincerely dead wrong, the Apostle Paul has no pagan lore at all, we are following Biblical Judaism and what the prophets were talking about in the Hebrew Scriptures such as Jeremiah 23:5-6, Isaiah 7:14, Isaiah 9:6, Proverbs 30:4, and Micah 5:2 which is the the picture of the true and authentic Jewish Messiah, and not according to rabbinic traditions or speculations.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
(continued) The Sinai covenant, upon which much of traditional (Rabbinic) Judaism is based, is a broken covenant. There is no Temple and there are no sacrifices by which they can be brought near to God and experience genuine atonement. Non-Messianic Judaism is based on this broken covenant, which cannot save them. God already established a New Covenant by means of Yeshua's death and resurrection. He died and rose again to atone for their sins,
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 An eternal covenant cannot be broken, only renewed, and there cannot be a new covenant for the same reason. Torah directs that every person must atone for their own sins and no one else can do it for them.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
@LoraSinger=Yeshua HaMashiach fulfilled Isaiah 53, Psalm 22, and Daniel 9:24-27, and God no longer accepts blood atonement from animal sacrifices on Yom Kippur. The Lord says in Isaiah 1:11 "I delight not in the blood of bullocks, lambs, or goats. And why kaparot? The Lord does not delight in the blood of chickens either. It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take sins away and the blood of chickens does not take away sins either but the precious holy blood of Yeshua HaMashiach.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 "does not take away sins either but the precious holy blood of Yeshua HaMashiach."
Pagan all the way.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
@LoraSinger=You are still dead wrong and you always will be. It is not pagan at all but a true messianic prophecy and a fulfillment of Isaiah 53. And those who believe in Him are justified, not by any works of righteousness they have done, but by His perfect righteousness and atoning blood and that there is no other name under heaven by which all must be saved.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
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@knightsofstjoan2004 Isaiah 53 is referring to Israel, not to Jesus. If you think someones death and blood atones for your sins, you are pagan.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
(continued) so that they can enter into this New Covenant relationship with God. Yeshua ascended to the right hand of God the Father, and is coming back to Earth to reign from Jerusalem over Israel and all the nations of the world. At that time the fullness of the New Covenant will be realized.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 Yeshua ascended to the right hand of God the Father, and is coming back to Earth to reign from Jerusalem over Israel "
Jesus was a failed messiah and isn't coming back EVER.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
@LoraSinger=Wrong, Yeshua was not a failed Messiah. The Jewish remnant will look upon Him whom they have pierced, repent of their sins, and receive Him as their Messiah (see Zechariah 12:10 and Romans 11:1-6 & 25-36). He will return coming from the clouds of heaven (see Daniel 7:13-14) and will usher in the messianic age and he will sit on the throne of David in Jerusalem and will reign as Lord of Lords and King of Kings.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 - He certainly is a failed messiah. Where is the temple? Is there world peace? Is the entire world converted to Judaism? NO, and he died before it was accomplished and THAT'S what makes him a failed messiah.
"He will return coming from the clouds of heaven "
It's going to be a long wait, knight.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
@LoraSinger=No, He is not a failed Messiah. Peace begins in the heart and all must recognize their sinful condition and repent, He fufilled Isaiah 53 and brings peace to the individual who believes in Him and many will upon him whom they have pierced and He will usher in the messianic age at his return and will bring true peace in the world. Daniel 9:24-27 is foretold that the Messiah will to come and die and resurrect prior to the destruction of Jerusalem and the Second Temple, but blood from
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 No, He is not a failed Messiah"
He was executed on a cross, not sacrificed on an alter. He didn't fulfill lthe tasks required during his lifetime. Human sacrifice was/ is forbidden. Of course, he was a failed missiah.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
@LoraSinger=He never was a failed Messiah, He will fulfill the other rest of the prophecies when He returns. And if you keep saying that He is a failed Messiah and denying the atonement He has provided, one day you will be judged by Him in the end.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 -And if you keep saying that He is a failed Messiah and denying the atonement He has provided, one day you will be judged by Him in the end.
Yup, and if you don't watch out, Zeus will get you too.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
@LoraSinger=No way, it will be the Messiah Yeshua who will judge you in the end, He will seperate those who have responded to Him for salvation and redemption from those who have rejected Him, and since you have shown signs of rejection of Him your name will not be in the book of life and you are going to suffer eternal damnation.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 He will seperate those who have responded to Him for salvation and redemption from those who have rejected Him,"
Every person must atone for HIS OWN sins, knight. This is in the Torah that Jesus upheld. He was a Torah-upholding Jew, who knew this as well. Do you think he was the origin of the pagan god-man dying for mankind story? Not even a chance. His divinity started with Paul after his death.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
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@LoraSinger=Isaiah 53 is a messianic prophecy fulfilled by Yeshua and therefore there is no need for continual sacrifices because He provided the once-and-for-all of the sins of many (see Hebrews 7:27, Hebrews 9:11-14, Hebrews 9:24-28, and Hebrews 10:11-20). Romans 3:25, 1 John 2:2, and 1 John 4:10 clearly proves that Yeshua HaMashiach is the propitiation or expiation of the sins of the whole world.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 -there is no need for continual sacrifices because He provided the once-and-for-all of the sins of many"
Isaiah 53 has nothing to do with Jesus and is another mis-translation. Would you like an accurate one in your mailbox? Similarly spelled words for "pierced" and "like a lion" have been interchanged, probably deliberately, to alter the meaning. As far as one "dying for the sins of many" - again you have the pagan element introduced by Paul.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
@LoraSinger =Wrong, you got it wrong again, Isaiah 53 does have something to do with Yeshua (JESUS). The Bible Code from Isaiah 53 reveals that Yeshua is the Messiah who is Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world through his precious holy blood. I do not have a pagan element and Paul was never pagan inspired either, he knows the truth because the spirit of truth is given to him by the Lord under the guidance of the Ruach HaKodesh. That's the truth and that truth is not overrated.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 One individual dying for the sins of all mankind is not Jewish.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
@LoraSinger=That is where you are mistaken, it so happened that the Hebrew Scriptures says that he would suffer and die for the sins of many. Yeshua HaMashiach is definitely and absolutely the perfect sacrifice because He is God manifested in the flesh and only God is sinless, only God Himself is a pure enough sacrifice to satisfy His holy justice, for all men have sinned.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 - Human sacrifice and vicarious atonement isn't Jewish, Knight. It is however a pagan custom. God manifested in the flesh isn't Jewish since Judaism believes that God is without form. You are a Christian missionary, preaching Christian dogma and calling yourself Jewish - BUT you still a Christian.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
@LoraSinger=You are a blind fool, still you are mistaken, Isaiah 9:6 is not a hoax and it is not about Ahaz either, it is a messianic prophecy that the Messiah will be God incarnate, therefore God came from the spiritual realm and entered into the physical realm by incarnating and manifesting Himself in the flesh, but it never annuled His divinity. And by the way you're sincerely dead wrong, I'm not a Christian missionary and I'm not preaching Christian dogma either, I am witnessing the truth.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 - it is a messianic prophecy that the Messiah will be God incarnate.
There is no messianic prophecy that the Messiah will be God incarnate. If , as you believe, he manifested into a physical realm, then he lived as a human for a time and died as a human, then he was a human sacrifice. Judaism doesn't believe in human sacrifice. It's just not Jewish.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
@LoraSinger=That is were you are mistaken, it says clearly in Isaiah 9:6 and The Lord Our Righteousness in Jeremiah 23:5-6 is a name given to the Messiah contains the divine name YHWH, a clear indication that the Messiah is to be a divine being. It was not a human sacrifice at all but a perfect sacrifice because Yeshua is God manifested in the flesh and perfectly sinless and has resurrected, you are blind because you relied to much on Rabbinic Judaism and failed to realize the truth.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 A perfect sacrifice takes place in the prescribed manner on an alter as given in Leviticus, not on a Roman cross. In any case, human sacrifice was forbidden to the Jews. It's just not Jewish, knight - but, of course, it was quite commonly practiced by pagans on which Christianity is based.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
@LoraSinger=It is not pagan in nature and that proves your blindness because you failed to realize that Yom Kippur has a prophetic and messianic significance and how Yom Kippur foreshadowed the Messiah. Christianity did not get this kind of idea at all, Biblical Judaism and Messianic Judaism does recognize and realize what exactly Isaiah 53 is speaking of and it is definitely and absolutely the Suffering Servant Messiah.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 Sacrifice of a person to take away the sins of all mankind is not Jewish. The suffering servant is Israel - read it in context.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
@LoraSinger=Wrong, you are still sincerely dead wrong. It is the most Jewish thing to believe that Yeshua HaMashiach is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of mankind through His precious holy blood. Isaiah 53 is definitely and absolutely not Israel and Israel is not the suffering servant at all, you are sincerely dead wrong like Rashi is. You are no wise guy at all, the correct answer is it's the Suffering Servant Messiah, "He" in that verse refers to someone else and that is Yeshua.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 Believe whatever you want, knight. Argueing with you is like giving medicine to a dead man. Like a parrot, you keep repeating the same nonsense over and over again. You are wrong but too far gone to ever know it.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
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@LoraSinger=It is you who is wrong, not I. It will be the true and authentic Messiah who will judge you in the end. When you stand infront of God Almighty on Judgement Day, you will realize that He HaShem the Lord God of Israel is Yeshua the Jewish Messiah and you will surely tremble and be ashamed of your rejection of Him, you find that out when you get there.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 -, it says clearly in Isaiah 9:6 and The Lord Our Righteousness in Jeremiah 23:5-6 "
Every Jewish name has a meaning but that doesn't make them a messiah. Batel (daughter of God), Daniel (God is my judge), Eliezer (God is my help), Elijah (My god is Yahweh) and so on.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
@LoraSinger=You are no wise guy, Yeshua HaMashaich is the true and authentic Jewish Messiah and He perfectly fits Jeremiah 23:5-6, Isaiah :14, and Isaiah 9:6 and other messianic prophecies from the Tanakh verses.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 -Yeshua HaMashaich is the true and authentic Jewish Messiah "
For you perhaps, but it's not Jewish.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
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@LoraSinger=You are still sincerely dead wrong. It is definitely and absolutely Jewish because the truth is that Yeshua HaMashiach is definitely and absolutely the true and authentic Jewish Messiah and that truth is not overrated. It seems that you are not Jewish enough, Messianic Jews are more Jewish than you are because they are completed and fulfilled Jews.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 Messianic Jews are more Jewish than you "
Messianic Jews are Christians. The "completed and fulfilled Jews" doesn't exist in fact. You can be one or another but you can't be both.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
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@LoraSinger=Messianic Jews do not prefer to call themselves Christians. Only Catholics and Protestants as well as Orthodox Christians are Christians, and they are Gentile believers and followers and they are not necessarily required to follow Jewish customs and traditions. And by the way being a completed and fulfilled Jew does in fact exist and that is the bottom line. You are no better than the amazing Messianic Jew Aviad Cohen.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 Messianic Jews who believe in Jesus are Christians. It doesn't matter what customs or traditions they follow.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
@LoraSinger=That is totally inaccurate. Nothing could be more Jewish than to follow Israel's Messiah. Jews call themselves Messianic Jews which identifies themselves as Jewish people who follow the Messiah Yeshua. And besides, Yeshua lived a very Jewish lifestyle and lived accordingly to Jewish traditions and customs, as well as His disciples and appointed apostles.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 Nothing could be more Jewish than to follow Israel's Messiah.
Jews still await the messiah.
Messianic Jews are Christians.
"Yeshua" was born and died a JEW. He had nothing to do with Christians either. The father of your religion is Paul of the pagan tales. Jesus apostles were directed to avoid gentile towns. Paul was the FIRST apostle to the gentiles.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
@LoraSinger=Actually you have missed the Messiah that came by the 1st century A.D. Messianic Jews are Jews who believe in Yeshua the true and authentic Messiah, the term Messianic Jew is a Hebraic term. Gentiles who follow and believe in Yeshua are Christians and it's a Greek-Latin term. Paul never had pagan tales and her never was influenced by the pagan gentiles and he was never the father of Christianity, it was the Gentiles themselves who wanted to split off and form a seperate religion.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 Messianic Jews are Christians who believe in a diving (god-man) Jesus, knight. You cannot deny that you are Christian if that is your belief. It doesn't matter what Hebraic terms you use. Paul came from Tarsus where Baal-Taraz was worshipped - a man-God who died for the sins of mankind and he most certainly is the father of Pauline Christianity as it is today. The Gentiles were largely pagan and had nothing to split off from except for conversion to Pauline Christianity.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
@LoraSinger 2) There is a very good site called "The True Story of Christianity" and I would suggest that you give it a good read before spewing all more nonsense.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
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knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@LoraSinger=Christians are Gentile believers and Messianic Jews are Jewish believers in the Messiah Yeshua. And by the way, that is a big fat lie, Yeshua HaMashiach who was the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world is not inspired by Baal-Taraz at all, there is no connection are whatsoever, you can't compare Yeshua to Baal-Taraz, and that is still a doubt that Paul was a father of Christianity.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 - Messianic Jews are Christians of Jewish background. Once they are Christians, they are no longer practicing Judaism. Jesus of Pauline Christianity and Baal-Taraz are both men-gods who died for mankind. Look up "Pauline Christianity" and see.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
@LoraSinger=That is where you are wrong, Messianic Jews are still Jewish, faith and belief in the Messiah Yeshua is originaly a sect of Judaism. The Apostle Paul was a Messianic Jew and he was never inspired nor influenced by the pagan Gentiles, it seems you have got the wrong information.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 - Paul was a Roman citizen. Roman citizenship from birth means Saul had to be given a Roman name from birth. Paul is a Roman name. A true Jewish family would not give their child a Roman name or even accept Roman citizenship from birth. This would represent defilement. Thus, Paul had to be from birth a non-Jew. However, his parents also named him Saul, which is a Jewish name. Thus, his parents aspired to be Jewish. This fits perfectly the Herodians. Wannabe Jews.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
@LoraSinger=Saul (later Paul) is from the tribe of Benjamin, therefore he is a Jew.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
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@knightsofstjoan2004 "Saul (later Paul) is from the tribe of Benjamin, therefore he is a Jew. "
The Ebionites say he was not. In First Century Judaism, no one had accurate knowledge of his descent from Benjamin. Knowledge of the tribal origins of individual families had long since been lost. None could trace their lineage, with the exception of the priestly tribe of Levi and Aaron,
LoraSinger 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 - There is Jewish lineage and there is the religion called Judaism. Not all those practicing Judaism have a Jewish lineage and not all those with Jewish lineage practice Judaism. Messianic Jews are Christians of Jewish lineage.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 -Messianic Jews are Jews who believe in Yeshua the true and authentic Messiah, the term Messianic Jew is a Hebraic term.
In trying to link your group back to history, to the Jewish Christians, you must also keep in mind that the followers of Jesus, later called Ebionites, regarded him to be fully human, a pre-requisite for a Jewish messiah, NOT divine. It was the Catholic Council of Nicea in the fourth century that made him officially divine and invented the trinity.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
@LoraSinger=The Ebionites may have regarded the Messiah Yeshua to be fully human and not divine but that is where they are mistaken because they failed to understand clearly what the Hebrew Scriptures exactly say. Yeshua HaMashiach revealed His divinity during the 1st century A .D. that He is indeed the Messiah the Son of God long before the Catholic Church came to existence in the 4th century A .D. The word trinity is not mentioned anywhere in the Brit Chadasha.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 - The Ebionites and their descendants were people who knew Jesus and/or studied under him and his apostles. Paul made up his version on the fly, without even having met Jesus. I think I'd go with the Ebionites.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
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@LoraSinger=The Ebionites may have been mistaken but the true Messianic Jews got it exactly correct and accurate. Paul met the resurrected Messiah Yeshua when he was on his way to Damascus, it was divine intervention.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 -Paul met the resurrected Messiah Yeshua when he was on his way to Damascus,
Which of his three contradicting versions of the "meeting" do you believe?
LoraSinger 1 year ago
@LoraSinger=I doubt that there is a contradiction involved, what is correct is that it was divine intervention that Saul (later Paul) met the resurrected Messiah when he was on his way to Damascus. It was also a divine intervention when Yeshua HaMashiach appeared to Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri in a vision. Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri is the modern day Paul.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 Ah, yes Kaduri, who wrote when he wasn't physically able to write, so his son says. Of course you wouldn't believe that. If you don't think there was a contradiction in his so called vision, give it a read.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
@LoraSinger=The Bible Code from Jeremiah 23:5-6, Numbers 24:17, Isaiah 7:14, Isaiah 9:6, Isaiah 53, Zechariah 9:9, Psalm 22, and Daniel 9:24-27 reveals the Messiah's name is Yeshua. It matches the same name of the Messiah that Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri wrote in a note, therefore the note is definitely and absolutely authentic. It is God's work under the intervention of the Ruach HaKodesh, Yeshua HaMashiach appeared to Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri in a vision and revealed His name to him.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 - Interesting! Now you've made a series of cherry picked verses into a bible code. When bible-code searches are done, they ignore the vowel markings, which means that the same series of consonants could represent several different words. They merely add whatever vowels they want to make the words they are looking for."
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LoraSinger 1 year ago
@LoraSinger=Yeshua HaMashiach is the true and authentic Jewish Messiah, He is saviour and redeemer or all mankind, to the Jew first and then to the Gentile. This is the picture of the real Messiah. He has resurrected three days after His crucifixion and is alive and well to this day.
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 A man-god savior and redeemer to all mankind is a pagan concept. He was a human male who was crucified for a crime against Rome, died and remains dead to this day.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
@LoraSinger you should read bereshith 18 where Hashem visits avraham in the form of a man and Avraham bows to him and calls him Lord (YHWH)
elmdub 1 year ago
@LoraSinger=Wrong, you are sincerely dead wrong and that proves your blindness and Isaiah 6:9-10 proves how blind you really are. Psalm 22, Isaiah 53, and Daniel 9:24-26 are messianic prophecies including Psalm 16:10-11 and Psalm 49:15 therefore Yeshua HaMashiach has risen and is still alive to this day. Praise be to God, Alleluia! AMEN!
knightsofstjoan2004 1 year ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 Oh yes - Isaiah 6:9 where it reads: For unto us a child IS born, unto us a son IS given. It means NOW, at THAT TIME.
I can see why Christians are being persecuted. You go to another country and preach that white is black and insist that YOU are right in spite of the fact that the people you are preaching to WROTE the book and know it better than you.
Good luck, Christian. You deserve everything you ask for.
LoraSinger 1 year ago
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@LoraSinger=For your correction it says in Isaiah 9:6 “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son i