Master Funakoshi said that kata must change according to time and circumstance. If kata is to be used for self defense the paradigm must change to reflect today's circumstances. Some of the stuff shown here has some validity but not much. You just don't fight that way in the street. The opponent's other hand must be considered. By the way, the Heian kata was developed as a "schoolchildren's art."
Master Funakoshi said that kata must change according to time and circumstance. If kata is to be used for self defense the paradigm must change to reflect today's circumstances. Some of the stuff shown here has some validity but not much. You just don't fight that way in the street. The opponent's other hand must be considered. By the way, the Heian kata was developed as a "schoolchildren's art.
Why does everyone have a stick up there ass? Who cares what his interpretation of the Kata is. Everyone is going to move differently. Do you people think every Shotokan Dojo will move exactly the same? If you do your an idiot. The guy is showing HIS view of what the Kata application is. There is nothing technically wrong with it, to me it get the job done and you are able to defeat the opponent. Like Kata should be. Besides you think in a real fight the opponent is going to care? LOL
Not to criticize a black belt or anything but I've always been taught to have my Age Uke a fist away from my forehead. It works a lot better when blocking actual punches because of the power in your centerline as you get closer to it with your limbs.
His looks incorrect, like 2 1/2 fists away. My Sensei is a 5th Dan and I think he knows what he's talking about.
Anyways decent video but our bunkai is very different too. I appreciate your interpretation.
@mikeniac13 ur thinking of Pinan Nidan. This is Heian Shodan. It was derived from the Pinan series, of course, but when Funakoshi brought the kata over to Japan he reversed the order of Pinan Shodan and Nidan in his versions of the forms, Heian Shodan and Nidan, for ease of teaching. This is Heian Shodan as indicated most obviously by the normal, rather than low, shuto blocks at the end.
This kind of interpretation is not so right.. i think that kata can be explained through different way (some nu but the meaning must remain the same...
Firstly kudos for putting up your videos, it is a brave thing to do given the feeback you're going to get.
I would recommend you do a search for Iain Abernethy, or read books writen by Harry Cook etc. This will give you a better insight into the "most likely" applications for the Heian Kata's. Think of the kata's as a mobile teaching tool for the purposes of cataloging techniques to defend against habitual acts of violence (push, grab, hook punch, football kick, head but etc). Have fun.
I started with Shotokan, then followed Kyokushin and now BJJ. While with the JKA, I had a short stint (a year) with Matsubayashi Shorin Ryu. I had to quit the Shorin Ryu dojo because it was too expensive to pay for 2 dojos at the same time. Anyways, I'm glad I have been doing BJJ for a year now, as it showed me how many of grappling techniques such as these simply don't work. These are based on the fact that the opponent doesn't struggle. In reality, everyone does, even old ladies.
I agree, mostly poor and not really related to Heian Shodan. It's amazing how wild imagination runs inpeople who lack basic knowledge of Shotokan, and try to compensate for that by making up "bunkai" of the Kata.
Thats what bunkai is dude. Its a interpretation of a kata. There is no set bunkai to anyone kata, seems like you lack basic knowledge of Shotokan. His kata could have been stronger I agree and less robotic but when it comes to bunkai anything goes. If it doesn't work in a real world application then thats his folly and probly will learn from the mistake.
Well, I don't think I should comment on my own knowledge of Shotokan, it would be inapropriate, imho. But the thing is, I've been practicing Shotokan some 5 or 6 years longer then you've been breathing, and by the time you were born I was already a Ni Dan, had about 5 years of competing (in a very strong league) behind me, and was already coaching younger generations. I am still learning today, and will learn as long as I live, but basics I humbly believe to have mastered long time ago.
"Karate-Do is a noble martial art, and the reader can rest assured that those who take pride in breaking boards or smashing tiles, or who boast of being able to perform outlandish feats like stripping flesh or plucking out ribs, really know nothing about karate. They are playing around in the leaves and branches of a great tree, without the slightest concept of the trunk." Said by Master Funakoshi so...You need to re-think what you've mastered this is basic knowledge of Shotokan Karate.Dip.
That statement of Funakoshi Sensei I read many years ago. I don't see anywhere in my post that I "take pride in breaking boards, or boast of being able to perform whatever outlandish". My comment was about this Bunkai. Throughout my years of practice I was taught that old Katas of Okinawan Karate, which Funakoshi Sensei adopted to today's Shotokan Katas, have a meaning that needs to be carried forward as they are, to conway the ideas of old masters who created them. (see next post please)
True, no boasting or breaking boards, but plenty of boasting nonetheless. Nobody cares how long you've been training. Nobody who matters cares what your rank is. I have both beaten and been beaten by people above and below my rank. Rank means nothing, so stop bragging about it. It looks bad on you, and takes away from the spirit of Karate-do. With that, I'm done. I've made my comment, and now I'm going to go do what all you guys should do; shut up and go practice.
I have been fortunate to train under some of outstanding and highly respected masters of Shotokan. I started under Dr. Ilija Jorga, European Champion who later founded Fudokan. Then I trained for a few years with Tokuhisa Takashi, direct student of Kase Taiji. Finally, I trained 10 yrs under Sugimura Koichi, former member of Japanese national Team. And they all taught us the same Bunkai for all Shotokan Kata. I'm in no way worthy to challenge their knowledge and change those Bunkai.
And finally, just take look at the video "Bunkai do Heian Shodan" posted here by Gardena2100. That's exactly the Heian Shodan Bunkai as is taught in JKA curriculum. Nothing else needs to be said. And I still say that this "Bunkai" shown here has nothing to do with Heian Shodan as Funakoshi Sensei was teaching it.
Funakoshi also encourages you go beyond the realms of which your stuck. Not to boasting but I train Under Jeff Mckendricks who was trained by Tsutomu Oshima who was trained By Gichin Funakoshi, and they have encouraged that kata could be translated many different ways in bunkai, that there's hidden techniques in them and through practice you can find them. Obviously you train with a small mind and didn't deserve your belt. Any black belt I know be it Shodan or Godan never proclaim mastery.
So I shall leave you with a title of a book that you should read to help you in your "Mastery". "The Twenty Guiding Principles of Karate, The Spiritual Legacy of the Master." Author(s) Gichin Funakoshi and Genwa Nakasone. Until next time remember "Karate-do begins and ends in with rei. Like Chudanjufood said I'm gonna shut up and go practice.
Panicus - The Gardena2100 video is exactly what I learned over 30 years ago. It came from those who did karate as phys-ed and toughening to prepare the Japanese people for WWII.
Unfortunately, it just doesn't work as self defense. I'm embarrassed that I ever believed it did. This new generation of karateka who are reverse engineering to what Funakoshi learned as individual self-defense have much to teach us old farts. Forget you are an expert and you might learn something. I did.
That being said, these are not at all the apps I imagine for H1. I agree with a lot of the earlier criticisms. But imany people wouldn't like my interpretations, either.
There are only 2 rules for bunkai:
1) Does it work?
2) Would you do this?
Within this, there is room for nearly infinite variation, depending on each individual's knowledge, or lack thereof.
ptboyindenver, I absolutely agree with you that one should never concider himself an expert and thus be closed to learning, as we are constantly learning, no matter how far we adwanced in our training. But I never really regarded Kata as a self defence curiculum.Rather, it's a training tool to teach us principles of movement between different techniques, and above all, for me Shotokan Kata are a tool to preserve Shotokan traditions. That's why I don't like the idea of changing Bunkai.
Panicus - I once thought exactly as you, but Kata as SD curriculum is the intellectual leap needed to understand this (the freedom of 20 years w/no dojo helped). My karate has 3 legs:
Kihon = theoretical perfection
Kumite = karate vs karate
Kata = karate vs everything else
Principles of movement are fully covered in kihon and combination training. Before the Japanese invented kihon and modern kumite in the 20th century, karate was essentially Krav Maga taught via kata.
@PanicusVulgaris Sorry, I disagree with you. Look into these books: Shotokan: A Precise History, by Harry Cook. Also, read Funakoshi's Kyohan as well as Nyumon. You will learn that there is NO SET RULES of how to practice Shotokan. Only the practice of common Kihon distinguishes its Shotokan characteristics. Masters take a kata, then take their own spin on it, creating their own bunkai. That's what Funakoshi did himself when he changed the Heian katas from its original Pinan katas.
@PanicusVulgaris Oh dear. That video is awful. Sorry but it just is. The old karate 'masters' that brought the art to the West were the product of a very specific training system. They had fantastic physical skills. We owe them a lot BUT their understanding of bunkai was negligible. Infantile even.
Please do not be blinded by tradition and an unquestioning obedience. We're not Japanese and don't live in Japan.
BTW - to the previous posts on Harry Cook's book and Iain Abernethy's ideas - yes brilliant.
As for this video, well I'd question why the attacker is using karate techniques. I do not believe that kata are there to teach us how to defend against other karate people.
Also, I was lucky to have been able to practice for a short time in a Matsubayash Shorin Ryu dojo in NYC; one of the main reasons was learn the applications of the original Heian forms (Pinan kata). I was taught that their are two ways of interpreting bunkai. One is "Omote" or obvious bunkai, such as taught by the JKA. The other is "Ura" or hidden bunkai, which is an "open" interpretation of the technique based on Omote bunkai. E.g. an unseen shuto-uchi after opening move of Heian Yondan.
I stopped watching from the first move - No one ever in a real fight will launch a punch at your hip from the side. Karateka must learn to apply kata to real fighting.
Attempt any of that against someone who isn't acting as uke and you'll get your head handed to you on a plate.
For a start, the ranges are wildly long. In a fight you will be lucky to have 30cm never mind 2 metres... And you won't be defending against maegeris or oi tzukis.
Take a look at Ian Abernethy's approach to the analysis of kata.
@Wrathos there is no "correct" bunkai, but i agree some of it is far fetched. however, perhaps not as far fetched as pretending an entire gang attacks you one at a time...
everyone yes EVERYONE gets the gedan barai wrong... i'm going to upload a movie soon showing the clasical okinawan way to use gedan barai... someone has to try and do something about this...
@Jarno1510 Did you ever get a chance to make that video? I'd like to see your take on this. I'm curious if you would say there is only one correct use/interpretation for gedan barai? And since I know of different Okinawan instructors who say different things on the matter of both the subject of bunkai and the specifics of gedan barai, how do you determine THE classical interpretation? I love bunkai study, and would love to get your thoughts. Thanks!
many of the techniques look o,k...but the stances look a bit long....the only way to prove the technique would be against some one who does not know you.
There are no "true" Bunkai/Oyo for traditional Kata. It´s not possible to look in "The code of law" for applications. You can do your own way to perform your bunkai, but.... Gedan Barai vs. Mae Geri while stepping into the line of force is nearly the most "stupid" one.
Not really fantastic and the Shuto moves at the end aren't Shuto at all. In Bunkai, you remain faithful to the moves created in the Kata; you don't just do a take down like that because that is not what you seen in the Kata. I did like the second Application however.
Wonderful range of applications. But I'm not sure if the arm-locking throw would be effective in real-life, given the relatively low grasp on the arm, etc., even if it is aesthetically appealing.
I think It could work, also if done with enough force the rising high block could break the arm joint. If I were to us it I would break the arm if it was a self defense situation. Also you would most likely modify the technique to the situation.
Oh yes, forgot to mention. The books from Ian Abernathy are also very good, but his style of bunkai is a bit different from the ones seen here. Train hard people, Osu.
Nice! I love seeing variations on bunkai. You know, karate has always bee called very stiff and stale and lacking in variation, especially by other martial artists and kung fu practitioners. But I think we can prove them wrong with the plethora of variations and Oyo as well as bunkai you can do.
Bunkaï original!Ca ressemble à des clés de bras et des projections d'Aikido. Par ailleurs, on m'a appris en karaté que le shuto devait se terminer avec le coude près du corps, afin de proteger les cotes.A 1mn 02, le coude est loin des cotes.A lier à la spécificité du bunkai?
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It looks like Aikido arm block and projection.When you do a shuto block,i learned your elbow should finish near your body, in order to protect your ribs. It's not the case @ 1mn02. Linked to this special bunkaï?
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I'm sorry but that was just wrong. Maybe you wanted to be creative but Heian Shodan is a simple kata with simple bunkai. 1: Gedan-barai is a block, not a punch. 2: Tettsui-uchi is a strike, not a lock. 3: You should use your hips to throw, not just the hands. 4: Moving away and blocking should be done at the same time, not one after another.
What makes you think a gedan barai is just a block. I think it makes a very effective attack! Imagine if someone did a gedan barai do you in the balls, how effective of an attack do you think it would be then? probably effective enough to remove your ability to continue the fight!
Agreed, Ive never seen it as a block and dont think it's something I'd ever use, i just doesn't seem that practical to use if you where in the middle of a fight!
I think it's perfectly fine. The technique used is perhaps the single most basic escape from a grab. It's simple, effective and I see it used often. What's wrong with it?
It's a response to a certain situation(a grab in this case). It's just the same as using an appropriate block or strike for a specific target.
1:25 grammar error, its spelled jujutsu, "jutsu" means art, "jitsu" is a wrong word
jin54363 4 months ago
If you want to see a different approach to Heian Shodan look on MrLBethers channel.
MrLbethers 6 months ago
Master Funakoshi said that kata must change according to time and circumstance. If kata is to be used for self defense the paradigm must change to reflect today's circumstances. Some of the stuff shown here has some validity but not much. You just don't fight that way in the street. The opponent's other hand must be considered. By the way, the Heian kata was developed as a "schoolchildren's art."
MrLbethers 6 months ago
Master Funakoshi said that kata must change according to time and circumstance. If kata is to be used for self defense the paradigm must change to reflect today's circumstances. Some of the stuff shown here has some validity but not much. You just don't fight that way in the street. The opponent's other hand must be considered. By the way, the Heian kata was developed as a "schoolchildren's art.
MrLbethers 6 months ago
There is no correct interpretation. Kata is designed to be a foundation for multiple techniques. This guydid a good job.
rentz46 10 months ago
Y aurait-il un lien entre les techniques d'aïkido et les techniques de karaté ?
jacqmas974 11 months ago
@jacqmas974 Yes, it's called 'human anatomy'. This link leeds to any martial art – even to the european martial arts.
eisbombenhagel 8 months ago
Why does everyone have a stick up there ass? Who cares what his interpretation of the Kata is. Everyone is going to move differently. Do you people think every Shotokan Dojo will move exactly the same? If you do your an idiot. The guy is showing HIS view of what the Kata application is. There is nothing technically wrong with it, to me it get the job done and you are able to defeat the opponent. Like Kata should be. Besides you think in a real fight the opponent is going to care? LOL
shotojojo1986 11 months ago
Not to criticize a black belt or anything but I've always been taught to have my Age Uke a fist away from my forehead. It works a lot better when blocking actual punches because of the power in your centerline as you get closer to it with your limbs.
His looks incorrect, like 2 1/2 fists away. My Sensei is a 5th Dan and I think he knows what he's talking about.
Anyways decent video but our bunkai is very different too. I appreciate your interpretation.
OSU!!
dodongowhoever 1 year ago
I have seen a lot of junk suggested as bunkai for the heian series. This stuff is not bad.
haffoc 1 year ago
The next time someone steps back so I can punch them.....this will work perfectly.........
becs5120 1 year ago
this Kata is nidan not shodan
mikeniac13 1 year ago
@mikeniac13 Uhm no, it is shodan.
R0CKY44 1 year ago
@mikeniac13
some styles (like wado ryu) use pinan kata where pinan shodan is almost the same as heain nidan (from eg. shotokan) and the other way around.
Jarno1510 1 year ago
@mikeniac13 ur thinking of Pinan Nidan. This is Heian Shodan. It was derived from the Pinan series, of course, but when Funakoshi brought the kata over to Japan he reversed the order of Pinan Shodan and Nidan in his versions of the forms, Heian Shodan and Nidan, for ease of teaching. This is Heian Shodan as indicated most obviously by the normal, rather than low, shuto blocks at the end.
doeper 1 year ago
This kind of interpretation is not so right.. i think that kata can be explained through different way (some nu but the meaning must remain the same...
mausk8er 2 years ago
Firstly kudos for putting up your videos, it is a brave thing to do given the feeback you're going to get.
I would recommend you do a search for Iain Abernethy, or read books writen by Harry Cook etc. This will give you a better insight into the "most likely" applications for the Heian Kata's. Think of the kata's as a mobile teaching tool for the purposes of cataloging techniques to defend against habitual acts of violence (push, grab, hook punch, football kick, head but etc). Have fun.
R0nge 2 years ago
I started with Shotokan, then followed Kyokushin and now BJJ. While with the JKA, I had a short stint (a year) with Matsubayashi Shorin Ryu. I had to quit the Shorin Ryu dojo because it was too expensive to pay for 2 dojos at the same time. Anyways, I'm glad I have been doing BJJ for a year now, as it showed me how many of grappling techniques such as these simply don't work. These are based on the fact that the opponent doesn't struggle. In reality, everyone does, even old ladies.
Bassai 2 years ago
@Bassai I meant "thought" not "fact" hahaha. Stupid me.
Bassai 2 years ago
sorry but mostly poor
motobu100 2 years ago
I agree, mostly poor and not really related to Heian Shodan. It's amazing how wild imagination runs inpeople who lack basic knowledge of Shotokan, and try to compensate for that by making up "bunkai" of the Kata.
PanicusVulgaris 2 years ago
Thats what bunkai is dude. Its a interpretation of a kata. There is no set bunkai to anyone kata, seems like you lack basic knowledge of Shotokan. His kata could have been stronger I agree and less robotic but when it comes to bunkai anything goes. If it doesn't work in a real world application then thats his folly and probly will learn from the mistake.
fartface0469 2 years ago
Well, I don't think I should comment on my own knowledge of Shotokan, it would be inapropriate, imho. But the thing is, I've been practicing Shotokan some 5 or 6 years longer then you've been breathing, and by the time you were born I was already a Ni Dan, had about 5 years of competing (in a very strong league) behind me, and was already coaching younger generations. I am still learning today, and will learn as long as I live, but basics I humbly believe to have mastered long time ago.
PanicusVulgaris 2 years ago
"Karate-Do is a noble martial art, and the reader can rest assured that those who take pride in breaking boards or smashing tiles, or who boast of being able to perform outlandish feats like stripping flesh or plucking out ribs, really know nothing about karate. They are playing around in the leaves and branches of a great tree, without the slightest concept of the trunk." Said by Master Funakoshi so...You need to re-think what you've mastered this is basic knowledge of Shotokan Karate.Dip.
fartface0469 2 years ago
That statement of Funakoshi Sensei I read many years ago. I don't see anywhere in my post that I "take pride in breaking boards, or boast of being able to perform whatever outlandish". My comment was about this Bunkai. Throughout my years of practice I was taught that old Katas of Okinawan Karate, which Funakoshi Sensei adopted to today's Shotokan Katas, have a meaning that needs to be carried forward as they are, to conway the ideas of old masters who created them. (see next post please)
PanicusVulgaris 2 years ago
True, no boasting or breaking boards, but plenty of boasting nonetheless. Nobody cares how long you've been training. Nobody who matters cares what your rank is. I have both beaten and been beaten by people above and below my rank. Rank means nothing, so stop bragging about it. It looks bad on you, and takes away from the spirit of Karate-do. With that, I'm done. I've made my comment, and now I'm going to go do what all you guys should do; shut up and go practice.
chudanjufood 2 years ago
I have been fortunate to train under some of outstanding and highly respected masters of Shotokan. I started under Dr. Ilija Jorga, European Champion who later founded Fudokan. Then I trained for a few years with Tokuhisa Takashi, direct student of Kase Taiji. Finally, I trained 10 yrs under Sugimura Koichi, former member of Japanese national Team. And they all taught us the same Bunkai for all Shotokan Kata. I'm in no way worthy to challenge their knowledge and change those Bunkai.
PanicusVulgaris 2 years ago
And finally, just take look at the video "Bunkai do Heian Shodan" posted here by Gardena2100. That's exactly the Heian Shodan Bunkai as is taught in JKA curriculum. Nothing else needs to be said. And I still say that this "Bunkai" shown here has nothing to do with Heian Shodan as Funakoshi Sensei was teaching it.
PanicusVulgaris 2 years ago
Funakoshi also encourages you go beyond the realms of which your stuck. Not to boasting but I train Under Jeff Mckendricks who was trained by Tsutomu Oshima who was trained By Gichin Funakoshi, and they have encouraged that kata could be translated many different ways in bunkai, that there's hidden techniques in them and through practice you can find them. Obviously you train with a small mind and didn't deserve your belt. Any black belt I know be it Shodan or Godan never proclaim mastery.
fartface0469 2 years ago
So I shall leave you with a title of a book that you should read to help you in your "Mastery". "The Twenty Guiding Principles of Karate, The Spiritual Legacy of the Master." Author(s) Gichin Funakoshi and Genwa Nakasone. Until next time remember "Karate-do begins and ends in with rei. Like Chudanjufood said I'm gonna shut up and go practice.
fartface0469 2 years ago
Panicus - The Gardena2100 video is exactly what I learned over 30 years ago. It came from those who did karate as phys-ed and toughening to prepare the Japanese people for WWII.
Unfortunately, it just doesn't work as self defense. I'm embarrassed that I ever believed it did. This new generation of karateka who are reverse engineering to what Funakoshi learned as individual self-defense have much to teach us old farts. Forget you are an expert and you might learn something. I did.
ptboyindenver 2 years ago
That being said, these are not at all the apps I imagine for H1. I agree with a lot of the earlier criticisms. But imany people wouldn't like my interpretations, either.
There are only 2 rules for bunkai:
1) Does it work?
2) Would you do this?
Within this, there is room for nearly infinite variation, depending on each individual's knowledge, or lack thereof.
ptboyindenver 2 years ago
ptboyindenver, I absolutely agree with you that one should never concider himself an expert and thus be closed to learning, as we are constantly learning, no matter how far we adwanced in our training. But I never really regarded Kata as a self defence curiculum.Rather, it's a training tool to teach us principles of movement between different techniques, and above all, for me Shotokan Kata are a tool to preserve Shotokan traditions. That's why I don't like the idea of changing Bunkai.
PanicusVulgaris 2 years ago
Panicus - I once thought exactly as you, but Kata as SD curriculum is the intellectual leap needed to understand this (the freedom of 20 years w/no dojo helped). My karate has 3 legs:
Kihon = theoretical perfection
Kumite = karate vs karate
Kata = karate vs everything else
Principles of movement are fully covered in kihon and combination training. Before the Japanese invented kihon and modern kumite in the 20th century, karate was essentially Krav Maga taught via kata.
ptboyindenver 2 years ago
@PanicusVulgaris Sorry, I disagree with you. Look into these books: Shotokan: A Precise History, by Harry Cook. Also, read Funakoshi's Kyohan as well as Nyumon. You will learn that there is NO SET RULES of how to practice Shotokan. Only the practice of common Kihon distinguishes its Shotokan characteristics. Masters take a kata, then take their own spin on it, creating their own bunkai. That's what Funakoshi did himself when he changed the Heian katas from its original Pinan katas.
Bassai 2 years ago
@PanicusVulgaris Oh dear. That video is awful. Sorry but it just is. The old karate 'masters' that brought the art to the West were the product of a very specific training system. They had fantastic physical skills. We owe them a lot BUT their understanding of bunkai was negligible. Infantile even.
Please do not be blinded by tradition and an unquestioning obedience. We're not Japanese and don't live in Japan.
bertthepickle 2 years ago
BTW - to the previous posts on Harry Cook's book and Iain Abernethy's ideas - yes brilliant.
As for this video, well I'd question why the attacker is using karate techniques. I do not believe that kata are there to teach us how to defend against other karate people.
bertthepickle 2 years ago
Also, I was lucky to have been able to practice for a short time in a Matsubayash Shorin Ryu dojo in NYC; one of the main reasons was learn the applications of the original Heian forms (Pinan kata). I was taught that their are two ways of interpreting bunkai. One is "Omote" or obvious bunkai, such as taught by the JKA. The other is "Ura" or hidden bunkai, which is an "open" interpretation of the technique based on Omote bunkai. E.g. an unseen shuto-uchi after opening move of Heian Yondan.
Bassai 2 years ago
thanks for uploading, thats my kata! also i never knew kata could be so brilliant!
chineseclownbaby 2 years ago
I stopped watching from the first move - No one ever in a real fight will launch a punch at your hip from the side. Karateka must learn to apply kata to real fighting.
Jasonsmurray 2 years ago
thats bad....
although you got soft mats that guy jumps dumb
over his leg at 0:56
PRINZEUGEN61 2 years ago
Sorry. You have to be kidding.
Attempt any of that against someone who isn't acting as uke and you'll get your head handed to you on a plate.
For a start, the ranges are wildly long. In a fight you will be lucky to have 30cm never mind 2 metres... And you won't be defending against maegeris or oi tzukis.
Take a look at Ian Abernethy's approach to the analysis of kata.
css1971 2 years ago
take a look at lyoto machida, he is quite skillled at keeping the other at an distance.
Eterud 2 years ago
Don't be obtuse. In a ring maybe...
In a bar, on the street _you don't get_ distance.
css1971 2 years ago
you do if you -make- distance.
the outcomming of an fight is the one who dominates the fight- aka makes the rules.
If you are skilled enough you -are- able to create an distance.
Eterud 2 years ago
Well done.Any technique you believe in will work.All these techniques would be modified in a real situation.
EASEDIGEST 2 years ago
Some of this looks incorrect to me
Wrathos 3 years ago 4
@Wrathos there is no "correct" bunkai, but i agree some of it is far fetched. however, perhaps not as far fetched as pretending an entire gang attacks you one at a time...
xcrimson1234567890 1 year ago
@Wrathos
he's using jujutsu techniques with shotokan
jin54363 4 months ago
everyone yes EVERYONE gets the gedan barai wrong... i'm going to upload a movie soon showing the clasical okinawan way to use gedan barai... someone has to try and do something about this...
Jarno1510 3 years ago 4
Enlighten us all if we are all doing it wrong.
Look forward to it
WestBfella 2 years ago
@Jarno1510
Turn "gedan bari"...is a throw......
becs5120 1 year ago
@becs5120
yes it can be! a 270 degree turn gedan barai in heian shodan is indeed a throw.
wednesday I'll record a new vid on gedan barai usage, since my old footage was lost with the crash of my computer... stay tuned!
Jarno1510 1 year ago
@Jarno1510 Did you ever get a chance to make that video? I'd like to see your take on this. I'm curious if you would say there is only one correct use/interpretation for gedan barai? And since I know of different Okinawan instructors who say different things on the matter of both the subject of bunkai and the specifics of gedan barai, how do you determine THE classical interpretation? I love bunkai study, and would love to get your thoughts. Thanks!
doeper 1 year ago
interesting take on Penan NiDan/Heian Shodan.
many of the techniques look o,k...but the stances look a bit long....the only way to prove the technique would be against some one who does not know you.
Specter1957 3 years ago
true, these applications look a bit changed
mafiouso 3 years ago
das ist keine gute bunkai ist irgend wie unrealistisch fonder abfolge naja jeder wie ers will
felitina1 3 years ago
gedan barai is block for maigeri and not for oi zuki...
almiiin 3 years ago
There are no "true" Bunkai/Oyo for traditional Kata. It´s not possible to look in "The code of law" for applications. You can do your own way to perform your bunkai, but.... Gedan Barai vs. Mae Geri while stepping into the line of force is nearly the most "stupid" one.
Kind Regards
Jorikidojo 3 years ago 2
bom bunkai de kata heian shodan oss
katashotokan 3 years ago
Not really fantastic and the Shuto moves at the end aren't Shuto at all. In Bunkai, you remain faithful to the moves created in the Kata; you don't just do a take down like that because that is not what you seen in the Kata. I did like the second Application however.
Chrissycole64 3 years ago
Wonderful range of applications. But I'm not sure if the arm-locking throw would be effective in real-life, given the relatively low grasp on the arm, etc., even if it is aesthetically appealing.
VerdantMoon 3 years ago
I think It could work, also if done with enough force the rising high block could break the arm joint. If I were to us it I would break the arm if it was a self defense situation. Also you would most likely modify the technique to the situation.
sixyears 3 years ago
Applications & vision du kata intéressantes.
jfmusik 3 years ago
Another stupid bunkai video. These guys are way off. The Okinawans are laughing at you.
roningb 3 years ago
shoto kan sucks as! shito ryu is better!
strazzhell 3 years ago
Good, but there are a lot more applications of this kata. It's just amazing how a simple kata like Heian Shodan, can contain so many applications.
Gyte75 3 years ago
Oh yes, forgot to mention. The books from Ian Abernathy are also very good, but his style of bunkai is a bit different from the ones seen here. Train hard people, Osu.
DragonboyVNY 3 years ago
Nice! I love seeing variations on bunkai. You know, karate has always bee called very stiff and stale and lacking in variation, especially by other martial artists and kung fu practitioners. But I think we can prove them wrong with the plethora of variations and Oyo as well as bunkai you can do.
DragonboyVNY 3 years ago
Bunkaï original!Ca ressemble à des clés de bras et des projections d'Aikido. Par ailleurs, on m'a appris en karaté que le shuto devait se terminer avec le coude près du corps, afin de proteger les cotes.A 1mn 02, le coude est loin des cotes.A lier à la spécificité du bunkai?
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It looks like Aikido arm block and projection.When you do a shuto block,i learned your elbow should finish near your body, in order to protect your ribs. It's not the case @ 1mn02. Linked to this special bunkaï?
mat6268 3 years ago
Very interesting
congi 4 years ago
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I'm sorry but that was just wrong. Maybe you wanted to be creative but Heian Shodan is a simple kata with simple bunkai. 1: Gedan-barai is a block, not a punch. 2: Tettsui-uchi is a strike, not a lock. 3: You should use your hips to throw, not just the hands. 4: Moving away and blocking should be done at the same time, not one after another.
Hotora86 4 years ago
What makes you think a gedan barai is just a block. I think it makes a very effective attack! Imagine if someone did a gedan barai do you in the balls, how effective of an attack do you think it would be then? probably effective enough to remove your ability to continue the fight!
liamitalian2 4 years ago
OK, I agree with that but I've never seen Tetsui as a lock. Have you?
Hotora86 4 years ago
Agreed, Ive never seen it as a block and dont think it's something I'd ever use, i just doesn't seem that practical to use if you where in the middle of a fight!
liamitalian2 4 years ago
I think it's perfectly fine. The technique used is perhaps the single most basic escape from a grab. It's simple, effective and I see it used often. What's wrong with it?
It's a response to a certain situation(a grab in this case). It's just the same as using an appropriate block or strike for a specific target.
the2703 3 years ago
tres belle prestation
Bravo pour la démonstration
laurent64530 4 years ago