If you live by the old law then you will have to keep the old law and no one has kept the law for all have fallen short of the Glory of God, there for we are saved by GRACE and is a GIFT of God and no one can EARN their way into the Kingdom of God by WORKS or KEEPING THE LAW, All one has to do is to call upon the name of the Lord and you shall be SAVED, and you will not enter into the kingdom of God based on good works of the Law least any one should boast, for it is by faith and FAITH ALONE.
God totally loves gays. Not bc they are gay but in spite of the fact that they are gay. God loves gossips, not bc they are gossips but in spite of their gossip.
i don't understand the last part when he said, "Why so many people.. choose their Christian leaders... who actually have the courage of their conviction..."
It's fine to have one. It's fine to be proud of it. But please don't whip it out in public and start waving it around, and PLEASE don't try to shove it down my children's throats. don't for get people who blow them selves up in the name of god
Ok... So i asked like three different ppl the prob about being gay...
2 of them said cuz they cnt reproduce and the other said cuz God doesnt like them... I asked her where in ther bible it says that and she didnt respond 4 a while... (I think she went 2 check her Bible...) and came back saying "He doesnt like 'em but has 2 live with them!" it was stupid! I am very mad at her at the moment...
I'm going to take that as a see how retarded all Christians are and rate it well and it's funny ask current Christians Any question biblically and they don't know the answer I am a athesis and have study biblical history and I get very angry when people lie about a religion to make people follow it god Is not real
@j919or The word Religion means to bind together. Its supposed to be a vehicle for us to identify our connectedness with the rest of the cosmos. Yet the major religions are in opposition of eachother . They create invisible lines of separation within the populace and within the individual. Don't believe me? Read some of the messages on this thread.
Okay, 1) God doesn't do this, we do. 2) God doesn't hate the sinner, he hates the sin.
3) Quit trying to justify your immoral behavior. If you truly think about it, homosexuality goes against nature. We have male and female to do what? Reproduce. You can't reproduce with two of the same sex. So stop trying to justify your despicable behavior. You weren't born that way. You aren't meant to be gay. Homosexuality goes against nature. I'm leaving God out of this but thinking about the cycle of life
@fagsdoom You clearly didn't read what I wrote. They don't choose to be gay. Did you wake up one day and decide to be heterosexual? No, you didn't. So your God punishes them for the way he supposedly created them. Smart guy, isn't he? He also likes to plant fossils to test your faith apparently. Nice guy. Have fun kissing his ass some more. What's it like to love and fear someone? Sounds an awful lot like a dictator to me!
@tonykeywest00 I'm sure that there are just as many straight people killing or raping children as gay people. Same thing goes for spreading disease. Weird how your God feels the same way about homosexuals that you do, isn't it? Hmm. Why would he make these people gay? And please don't tell me "they choose to be gay", that's bullshit. They choose to be gay as much as you choose to be straight.
You mean listen to people that tell you what it means according to them. The Inquisition, KKK, you, all have interpreted the bible to support bigotry. Thousands of Christian denominations can't agree on meaning, *because it is poorly written*.
>>you think you can twist the words to make God to be unjust.
I wasn't talking about the God character (which is evil by current standards) I was talking about people using the bible for cruelty.
@gininginin study. means study. your laziness is not my problem. God is HOLY and he will judge you according to his holy and righteous standards and you cant wiggle out of it with a lot of vain words. OBEY and be blessed, do not obey and be cursed. If you think you can call God evil and justify your sins youre are deceived . no excuses whatsoever
>> study. means study. your laziness is not my problem.
Sure, let's study how 'God' made a faulty creation and blamed man, how he killed babies with a flood, how he demands blood...
I don't believe in your god. I was just talking about the despicable character portrayed in the Old Testament. I don't really care of saying 'I don't believe in the Holy Spirit', which by the ridiculous bible standards is the worst sin - the same standards that would send Hitler to imaginary Heaven.
@tonykeywest00 so much love from God, eh? Sends people to hell for not believing.. yeah that's definitely something that someone who loves you would do.. fucking idiot.
@22221lol that's my point, your god is a fucking asshole, if he even exists. People say he's "all loving" when in reality he exudes all the traits he doesn't want humans to.
it says in the bible god hates evil an it also says he hates sins like gays having sex with the same sex is a sin it is with it is an thats what it says so what can you do
it says in the bible god hates evil an it also says he hates sins like gays having sex with the same sex is a sin it is with it is an thats what it says so what can you do
I believe the bible is there to keep people guessing and is some kind of rule to follow here on earth for our government. Maybe that's why our government is so fucked up, like the bible. God = your mind.
I feel really sorry for the people that are going to believe this!!!!!!! God is here and Jesus did come and he will be back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I BELIEVE AND NO ONE CAN TAKE IT FROM ME!!!!!!!!!!! Kent hovend Knows the truth he explains it and makes sence like no evolutionest can!!!! Homosexuals are not right there is clearly even nature that a man and women get together and that if you put 2 men together they have to have sex up the ass, they cant even have children. its un natural!!!!!!!!!
Yep, God hates sin. That is true. However, I don't see Jesus killing everybody in sight. Instead I see him forgiving an adulterer, forgiving prostitutes, telling a thief that because he believed he would be with him in paradise. True Christians love. "If I speak in the tongues of man and angels, but have not love I am nothing" 1 Corinthians 13. Also, there is much more to the argument than "moderate" or "radical" Christians. All true Christians should be radically in love with Jesus. Questions?
@AmericanNohbuddy The basic answer is yes. The thing is that needs to be said though right after that though, how is that murderer or rapist living after they are forgiven. Have they taken a 180 and become so loving that instead of killing they would die to protect those they at one time murdered or raped, because they now love God so much that they would do that. God heals. If someone says they are forgiven by God and keep living the way they have been, I'd question if they really are.
@AmericanNohbuddy At first glance it doesn't, you are right. And also I want to make clear that even though God would forgive someone who completely turned from their sin and accepted him no matter what, he would still have to submit to the government law and would likely still be imprisoned for a long time for his crime. Second, about the justice thing. The woman who didn't accept Jesus would not go to hell because she was raped. It would be because of her own sin that that would happen...
@AmericanNohbuddy God would have pity on her situation, but it still doesn't excuse her own sin. Everyone has sin. I do, you do. That is why we need forgiveness. Granted some sins like rape and murder are more heinous than others, however all sins do condemn because God is perfectly holy. He cannot abide with things that are not perfect because he is perfect. That is why people who are Christians want people to know the good news of Jesus because without it they would be lost...
Then humans are more moral and just than your perverted god.
Taking a life and making that family suffer is far worse than that girl not accepting jesus.
and no, the majority of christians don't care about other people, they condemn them for being gay, hate people of other religions, and want to indoctrinate their kids by telling them prayer works when their kid then dies of complications to diabetes or from not having a vaccine.
@AmericanNohbuddy I am sorry that that is the experience you have had with people who call themselves Christians. I personally became a Christian when I was 18 and both of my parents are not Christian, and I can tell you truly that I have been in your shoes. I thought the same things. I don't get the vaccine thing honestly though. I always get my flu vaccines. And while prayer works it not as simple as a vending machine. I don't hate anyone and if Christians do, then they are not following...
@AmericanNohbuddy what they believe. As I said before from Corinthians, if a christian does not have love they are nothing. I only say any of this by the way because I do in a way love you and don't want you to experience Hell. I don't condemn you at all, but then again I am not the judge. I assume that you are probably a fairly moral and good person, but you yourself would almost definitely say you were not without sin/faults and if you didn't your would be lying. ..
@AmericanNohbuddy God does love you and wants to forgive you. My advice would be to you to investigate this stuff to see if it is true. For example, the ressurection. The cornerstone of the Christian faith. Look at proponents from both sides and decide for yourself whether it happened. If it did, then what Jesus said was true and we need to take heed whether we like it or not. Also, both killing somebody and not accepting Jesus are in a way not accepting him...
@AmericanNohbuddy Both are not accepting his statement that he loves you and wants the best for you. By making all the rules God made, he is not trying to be a mean bully saying you can't have any fun. Just like a father doesn't allow his child to play with a longsword, God doesn't want us to sin so we don't hurt ourselves. That's what those rules are for. I know you would probably disagree, but I do hope that you investigate what is true. Also, I would love to still answer any questionsyouhave
But the father doesn't torture his kid for eternity if he does play with a longsword.
Yes both aren't accepting his statements, but just not believing in someone and killing someone, is vastly different. Plenty of those who don't accept Jesus lived good full lives, but a murderer can get away with ending someone's life? That shows your god cares more about his ego.
@AmericanNohbuddy Somebody gave me a description of hell that I think is somewhat accurate. He said that Hell is actually the place where God basically lets you have what you want completely. And, what people want by themselves without God is to do what they want without God. So, this would mean basically that you're base self is basically unleashed in Hell. For eternity you can do all the sin you ever wanted but you will always be suffering because you will never have God...
Someone gave you that description of hell? Weird because there are those famous people who died for a few minutes and said hell was a horrible place with fire and such. Any older person who has control over another could obviously tell them "I can do no wrong" or "I'm on a higher plain than you".
Is it moral because god said so, or is it moral because it's moral?
Like I said before, your god cares more about his ego
god is "completely good" because he said so? And that makes sense? And Kim Jong Il tells his people he is the dear leader.
The fact that a sick rapist or child molester or murderer could be forgiven and get into heaven because he "accepted jesus", but his victim would go to hell because they didn't accept jesus, is NOT justice.
that is proof your god's morals are based on being egotistical and self centered.
@AmericanNohbuddy God says its moral and because it is objectively moral. Also, for the deathbed conversion thing, while I admit it is possible I would say it is unlikely. To truly repent means completely turning on your sin and that is very difficult to do when you are dying. Anyways, God also gave us life and made the universe. All the things you enjoy are because of God's goodness. I looked up at the sky once in a rural area and realized that it's obvious to me why more people...
@Eledan13 say there is no God now than 100 years ago. Looking up at the sky I know that it is impossible or at the very least improbable that it happened on accident. Also, in contradiction to the mafia boss guy, Jesus is not a loophole. All of us do deserve Hell. The point God is trying to make by sending Jesus and him dying (which btw is totally not divine child abuse, Jesus loved all those he died for and went by his own volition to the cross) is that we need him because he created us for ...
@Eledan13 that amazing relationship. And also, you can continue to say that God is immoral and say that your idea of morals is greater than his and you would be committing the same sin Adam and Eve did as well as almost everybody through history. By getting to know God, I know that when I see him I will not just say "God you're wrong to condemn people and you are evil" but I will instead say pretty much nothing because his holiness and goodness will be in such stark contrast to my sin that...
@Eledan13 I will basically just fall on my face knowing that I am undone. He will be too good. You can reject this you can hate this, but I also know that one day you will have the same experience. Also, I have to respect though your stance that basically if God isn't truly a totally just and good God, then what Jesus said is not good moral teaching but rather completely evil in a way. If he is lying then well he was being pretty cruel.
@AmericanNohbuddy Alright, I won't pressure you, please do look into both sides though. Not all Christians are idiots and we disagree on a fundamental premise but I appreciate you taking the time to at least read what I have to say.
@AmericanNohbuddy I do admit that description of hell is flawed in some ways. It was given by a pastor I respect, but it is not entirely consistent with what the bible says. However, it does get across the point that I truly believe that the worst part of Hell is honestly that you don't experience the goodness of God. Btw, I also saw the mafia boss video. I understand his argument and I'm assuming that you are making basically the same one. To your question I would say it is moral both because..
@AmericanNohbuddy See the point of following Jesus is not a get out of hell free card. It is to experience the one who we were created, meant to experience. The purpose of our existence is to be with him, and only God can satisfy the longings we have. Also you are putting God on a plane equal with us. Saying that if a person is good by the standards of our society or the world they shouldn't be punished. God isn't like that. He is totally and completely good. He can do no wrong, and he is...
@AmericanNohbuddy completely just. The forgiveness of God is equivalent for me or you to forgiving a murderer of your son. If I want you to get one point it is that God longs to forgive you and everyone else. When we turn away from him it saddens him immensely. I mean heaven for a person who hates God and has rejected him in his life would not be heaven at all. Heaven without God is no heaven at all. "He is patient not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." 2 Peter 3:9
I like most of the video's point and I am the type of Christian that is not moderate. The bit about the atrocities committed by pharisees wanting to control government and using religion to do it. Those people were duped like the moderate Christian is today so I would give this 2 and a half stars. Cheers!
Luke 19:27 is a parable about a nobleman. To understand 19:27, START at verse 12. Jesus wasn't telling anyone to bring HIS enemies to HIM and slay them. He was telling what the NOBLEMAN told HIS servants. Do any of you atheists know how to read and discern?
I'm a lesbian and it is error to say that Christians want gays dead. God loves everyone and if God's Spirit is in the TRUE Christian, they too love everyone. To God, if we're guilty of the least of sin we are guilty of all, but He is forgiving when we ask for forgiveness. God said Judge not, lest ye be judged. If He doesn't force His commandments on people, neither are people to force His commandments on others. God is not pleased with that. False 'Christians' will be judged.
When you are starting a religion, you can't be moderate. Moderate doctrine has to grow into the religion. To be blunt, in many (but surely not all) ways, the Bible is outdated. It was written nearly 2000 years ago. People should expect it to be long dated in key areas. You can't start a religion by being wishy washy about what happens to you when you die, otherwise who's going to bother joining you? The problem with Christianity is that it never fully allowed moderates to grow into it.
As a "moderate" Christian" I'm deeply offended. This whole mocumentary is shameful secular humanist garbage. Yes, this has gotten me speaking like a right wing nut for the first time in my life. They take the worst parts of the religion and try to convince people that it speaks for the rest of us. It doesn't. The Bible is not the infallible word of God. It was written by man for man. It has mistakes and dilutions of the truth. But Jesus lived, and died for ALL people not just Christians.
@WRCis Funny, because I could have sworn that the bible is supposed to have been written by god... if you dont believe that, then you aren't a christian! In fact, if it were written by man, then that means that it really does mean the earth was made in 6,000 years, because most people say that "God's idea of years is different from ours", but if it were written by man, then it obviously DOES mean the earth is 6,000 years old! I'm no expert, but the world is NOT 6,000 years old. And im atheist.
in luke 19:27 the words are jesus, but he is telling a parable of what a nobleman that went to a far country to receive a kingdon and return, verse 27 is part of that parable the saying is the saying said by the nobleman. jesus is just telling a story
If this movie is trying to say that there isn't a God, than this movie is a LIE!
God does exist, and He loves each and everyone of us more than you can possibly amagine! I have been to God, seen God, and He has appeared to me in spirit as well. His name- Jesus Of Nazareth! I testify and warn all out of love, do not listen to lies, as your soul is a presious soul, and the Angels of the lord rejoice when one soul is found!
Oh yeah, did I mention, I have also been to Heaven?
Which only reinforces the fact that the bible can mean anything you want (both see and not see) You could easily enforce slavery, bigotry, etc all because of different "interpretations". It is very poorly written, as expected from the ignorant-bigoted-pillagers we know lived in Israel some 2500 years ago.
It always makes me laugh when Christians say "the Bible is the word of God". Unless they think God is a viscious homocidal mass murder with serious anger-management issues, it cannot be the word of God.
Actually, homosexuality is only said to be an abomination in Leviticus 18:22. In Leviticus 20:13, yes, homosexuality is punishable by a death sentence. I don't like what I read in the Bible.
@sessakag Invisible fairies live in my closet and they only reveal themselves to me when I am alone without someone in the house Under the specific conditions, prove to me they don't exist. No matter what you do,technically you can't disprove it.This is the problem with the god idea. Also it would be my burden to prove the existence of the fairies. Your proof would be that there is no proof and that's that. So the same goes for god and prayer. I see no proof from the claiming side. Its not real.
@FailedCloneOfGod Uh huh, yeah. Not convincing me at all. You wanna say something is not real, then disprove it. Otherwise, don't tell me its not real. And before you say "Prove to me that it is real" I really don't have to. I am not trying to convince you that anything is real. I am stating if you can't prove that something doesn't exist then you can't say its not real.
@sessakag Thats intellectual dishonesty.I could be convinced there is a god easily if blood rained from the sky or some crazy shit happens that science cant explain, but centuries can pass and people will still think its real even if theres no sign.How much time has to pass before we decide%100 there is no god? Another few thousand years? I see your stance but it only sustains an idea that might be false.Sustaining an idea can be just as bad as believing blindly.It never puts the issue to rest.
@FailedCloneOfGod Listen, like I told the other guys, I am not trying to get you to believe anything, nor am I stating I believe in God, I am simply stating that you cannot necessarily say something doesn't exist if you can't prove it. You have to prove what you say in science whether you are saying something exist or doesn't exist. If you run around saying "there is no God" then you are no better than religious fanatics running around saying things you can't prove. That's all I'm saying.
@Rawbdog Oh God not another wannabe scientist. Look, your comment was stupid in its self. Wikipedia is not a website that a person should look for factual information. Wikipedia is a site that can be changed by other people. So, if you're taking your information from Wikipedia, then you really need to stop now before you make an even bigger ass of yourself than you already have by commenting on my comment with a stupid comment. =)
@sessakag You forget that Wikipedia generally asks for sources when things are changed. Also, you commit the fallacy of attacking Rawbdog's source rather than his argument. Typical Christian bad logic.
@sessakag It is a logical impossibility to prove a negative. You can't prove there is no God, in the same way you can't prove there are no unicorns or faries or flying teapots orbiting the earth. The burden of proof rests on the THEIST to prove there IS a God. What an atheist CAN do is assert that it's most likely there is no God, since science is continually taking us farther away from God. This is Richard Dawkins's position.
@IfByWhiskey486 Its really easy to pick out the scientist wannabes. You guys make it so easy. First of all, I have not identified myself as a Christian, so where you get "typical Christian bad logic" from I have no idea. Maybe you made the comment to make yourself seem smarter or something? I'm not sure, but it had the opposite effect, FYI.
@IfByWhiskey486 Second of all, Wikipedia is not a reliable source at all. When I was in college and we had to do reports, we were banned from using that site because of its mixed up, and sometimes made up "facts", even in high school we couldn't use it, so addressing his argument would have been a waste of my time because of the unreliable source he got it from. His source was part of his argument and without a proper source he really didn't have much of an argument to begin with.
@sessakag 3) More Christian bad logic: "Argument from Ignorance Fallacy-" It is a logical impossibility to prove a negative. Maybe you should take an elementary logic course- this is basic stuff. The burden of proof, therefore lies with the theist, the party with something positive to proove. As for Dawkins (and others), he has done more to discredit religious tenets with hard evidence than I have seen any theist do to discredit any freethinker.
@IfByWhiskey486 Once again, you speak without knowing any sort of facts about the person you are speaking too. More bad wannabe scientist logic on your part. I have not identified myself as a Christian, so repeating the same things over and over lets your ignorance shine through. If you are going to say "God doesn't exist" then prove it. Let me guess, you can't prove it can you? Which is why you come up with bullshit to shift the attention from your lack of proof. Simple concept to follow.
@sessakag Again, you can't proove God doesn't exist, BECAUSE IT'S A LOGICAL IMPOSSIBILITY. And that's not "scientist logic." That's actually VERY ELEMENTARY LOGIC that most high school students know.
@IfByWhiskey486 As for Dawkins, what hard evidence has he come up with, lol. I really want to hear this. I do hope you understand that he is just as capable of being completely wrong as anyone else. I notice that when it comes to religion, you "scientist" don't think logically about it.
@sessakag Have you ever taken a look at a fossil record? A DNA map? Maps of speciation, macroevolution, etc. etc. etc.? It's all hard evidence.
And yes, he WAS just as capable of being wrong as anyone else. So what? He WASN'T wrong, and that's all that matters. What kind of stupid logic is this?
@IfByWhiskey486 Thirdly, you do have the burden of proving that God does not exist. If you are going to sit here and say that he doesn't exist then prove it, otherwise, you have no foundation for making such a claim. Works the same way for theists, if they have no proof then their claim is just bogus as a scientists and atheists' disbelief. And what do I care about Richard Dawkins's position on anything? He is just as capable of being wrong as anyone else, so what was the point of that comment?
@sessakag 1) "Scientist wannabes?" My background is in biological anthropology with an advanced degree before I became an lawyer, for your information. Typical Christian bad logic: ever hear of the "Ad Hominem" fallacy? Look it up. 2) Wikipedia often requires citations after articles, which you yourself and check.
@IfByWhiskey486 LMAO, woooow. Your comments are so very obvious. You would know biological anthropology if it hit you in the face, that is blatantly obvious by your own comments. You are a scientist wannabe and that's all there is to it. Second, Wikipedia is not reliable resource so no amount of talking is going to change that. Once again, last week, we were told that we could not use that site for information on our oral presentations.
@sessakag You haven't said anything of substance here. A whole lot of "ad hominem" actually. Sorry, but that doesn't do anything but make you sound like an idiot.
@sessakag And back to your curious point about Wikipedia: Yes, anyone can change it, though it's still subject to fact checking. I'm not sure if you're aware of that. Changes require citations which YOU can look at yourself and decide their credibility for yourself... unless you lack the logic and critical thinking skills to do that on your own, and by looking at your previous comments and the content of your profile, you probably do.
@IfByWhiskey486 Hypathetically speaking, if God does really exist, do you honestly believe that a being capable of creating Earth and humans would be easy to locate? That if he did not want to be found that he'd have a hard time avoiding the human eye? Really? Take some time and really think. Until scientist beings know everything there is to know, you really can't convince me of shit. Of all the knowledge and information out there, what scientist think they know don't mean squat.
@sessakag While I'm at it, I should also add that your aversion to logic, scientific throught, and your skewed take on each are extremely alarming. Pity that your stupider portion of the American population is what many in the rest of the world recognize this country by.
if you are actually a lawyer, you are certainly not much of one especially when you don't and can't fully explain how what I am saying is wrong legally, but you instead runaway as soon as I was truly about to enlighten you on the facts that are based on what actual lawyers have said about judge Walker's ruling.
Not to mention, you are the one that responded to me FIRST and I was just trying to understand where you were coming from as far as your position on this issue
@kenballer00 Because there's really no use explaining a matter of law to someone who clearly has no understanding of how the legal system works. Your claims about which courts can do what are laughable even by a 1L's standards. By the way, why don't you show me these legal sources you cite, and I'll show you mine. The majority of the legal community seems to disagree with you.
you obviously did not fully read my last comment. I specifically said that I finally understand the ,as you said, scope of your argument or how you are framing it since you were the one that responded and contacted me first. Then, I said I was ready to give you the compelling argument or justification for why denial of gay marriage is ultimately no different than polygamy and incest legally speaking for the most part.
@kenballer00 Further, your logic is just plain bad. If you had presented a compelling argument, I would have been more than happy to discuss it. Rather, as said, your scope was all over the place, you were guilty of equivocation quite a few occasions, and you attempt to throw Red Herrings and Straw Men all over the place. Sorry, but attempting to argue against that is a complete waste of time.
@kenballer00 Also, I have fully explained why what you were saying was wrong. Legally. If you lack the critical thinking skills to pull separate a premise from a conclusion then that's your problem, not mine.
@kenballer00 In abstract: You analogized gay marriage to incest and bigamy, using the standards of the "state's objective to provide for the public at large through the promotion of procreation and rearing of children." I posited there was objective evidence for banning incestuous and plural unions, & none for banning gay unions. You wanted proof. I cited sources for you in relation to State interest [the scope which YOU set]. You ignored it, instead spewing misunderstood legal concepts.
There are many things you have said that I know are incorrect or a bit obscure factually, but instead you prematurely block me after just a few exchanges which is a sign of irrational emotions because ignoring me would of been the step most of the people I debate or debated with. Somebody rational would not of abruptly in the middle of a discussion or few exchanges block someone. Your the first though for me. Nevertheless, I will give you what you want in PM or comment. Just ask.
@kenballer00 And which exactly are incorrect or obscure? Because I always make a point to cite whatever it is that I use. And I ignored you frankly because your logic is bad, you can't see any evidence other than your own, and therefore it's a complete waste of time having your emails pile up in my inbox.
I don't know why I even bother in the first place with you. You are a dime a dozen as far as people who think their position on this issue is valid, but there is a part of me that can't allow people like to manipulate others into thinking that your side holds any merit. Also, the fact that you "claim" to be a lawyer makes me even more obligated to put you in your place. It would be much easier and smoother to transfer my information and argumentation into PM but whichever's fine.
@kenballer00 "Manipulate?" Oh really? Because you're actually the one using red herrings and equivocations. You can't even keep a thought straight, nor can you even keep track of what you've said. And "put me in my place?" Please. You barely have any understanding of Civ Pro, and it doesn't even take a lawyer to notice that. I regret these comment boxes aren't large enough to quote whole e-mails, otherwise I'd post the absolute hilarity you've been sending to me for days for all to see.
@kenballer00 I'm re-reading everything you've written me, by the way. I've noticed your habit of ignoring entire arguments and introducing irrelevant things instead BAAAAAD logic. You've cited ONE thing, I've cited QUITE a few. I would hardly call information from controversial cases, the APA, EPPC, Clinical Child and Family Psychological Review, "obscure" and "incorrect." I personally can't allow people like YOU to manipulate others into believing in bad logic and arguments with no evidence
@IfByWhiskey486 What I have an aversion to is wannabe scientists like you that think everyone has to believe the word of other people that don't know anymore about the world than than the next person.What's alarming is your overwhelming and appalling arrogance and single minded belief that scientists have all the answers. What's a pity is pigheaded people like yourself call yourselves "free thinkers" and then talk shit to another free thinker that happens to believe something different than you.
@sessakag So, yes - You have an aversion toward science, logic, learning, reason, etc. in favor of the attitude "Screw science, I'll believe in what i wish, even in the face of hard scientific fact which I choose not to believe in because I don't want to, even when it contradicts me comepletely." Whatever. I have a feeling that if you had been born centuries ago you would have been a witch burner. Idiot.
@IfByWhiskey486 From what I've heard from you so far, its painfully obvious you're a scientist poser with your head stuck so far up your ass you can't even see your own stupidity, ignorance and bad, bad logic.
Bad logic? I've yet to hear you say anything that hold water, other than a painfully stupid set of hypotheticals that sound like you pulled them from Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron's website.
@IfByWhiskey486 By your own comments you've identified yourself as a scientist wannabe. You can be ignore now, just like the rest of your fellow wannabes. Hope stop being a poser one day :)
@sessakag I'd rather be a scientist wanna be than deal with a stupid person. And I'd rather deal with a stupid person than an igorant person, because at least stupid people are teachable. Simply put, you're ignorant. Are you from the Bible Belt or something?
@sessakag For evolution to go on there needs to be variation, allowing for natural selection... like variations in brain mass. Some people might have more than others. Congratulations. You belong to the bottom of this evolutionary barrel. When will people like you go extinct?
@IfByWhiskey486 Intelligence is not always a positive adaptation. Look at parasites. They lose all unneeded parts, like eyes and brains, keeping those which enable them to thrive in their particular environment. In a similar way, someone who has a genetic mutation enhancing gullibility and minimizing introspectiveness and intelligence actually improves their chance of breeding success within a theological ecology, which still comprises the majority of humanity. Natural Selection is a bitch.
nocturanas I return the answer to ur question. Read Numbers 31:16 then think about what God was doing. The Old Test. tells how God was preparing a group of people (Israelites) to be the ones who the Messiah(Yesuah= Jesus) would be born into. What He had Moses do was very harsh, but there was so much more at stake: billions who would in the future accept the atoning work of Jesus on the cross to pay for their sins. Those kids are with God and the girls who hadn't tried to corrupt, He let live.
Dean Wycoff was out of order in what he says in this clip.. yes the Bible states homosexuality is a sin, but so is lying , stealing, bearing false witness... BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS .. JESUS DIED AND PAID FOR ALL OUR SINS.. . WE ALL have sinned and fall short... pointing fingers at one sin over another is a waste of time. The verse this clip pulled from Luke 19:27 is being used out of context.. it was part of a parable Jesus was telling..He wasn't saying it in reference to Himself.. Read the Bible
@MrsMaridav Soooo was it ok for Moses to murder woman and children?? Numbers 31... yea read the bible and see how awesome God and his leaders were. Killing unarmed woman and children
@Kwinnky I think it is a demonstration of how the words of the Bible are not entirely safe. Christians attempt to paint the Bible as a peaceful book, yet as "God's perfect word" there are many examples otherwise. The fact of the matter is, there are millions of people who disagree on their own beliefs and interpretations. Therefore, if is says something, then it can definitely mean something to someone. Which is why they paint it in that light.
Brian Flemming is an idiot and harming kids with typical ahtiest hate towards christians. Glad christianity is bothering you Brian and hope it only gets worse for you.
Christians aren't the only people that hates gay. Why are there so many videos about how Christians hate gays, and yet there are none about the atheists that hate gays or the millions of other religions that don't think being gay is good. But I guess the homos have to blame someone huh?
@sessakag hmmmm i wonder why? Oh! it might be all those times religious zealots have spoken up and condemned homosexuality, actively held signs up and screamed about hell and homos.(also i have never once meet an atheist that cared so much about someones sex habits that they had to put their two cents in.)
@musicalposter Why do people always bring up atheists? What significance can an atheist possibly have that every gay activist wants to point out what they think. FYI, I know quite a few atheists that do not support gays, and atheist individuals are no better than anyone else. The fact that they don't believe in God doesn't really make them more knowledgeable or smarter than anyone else. I thin being atheist is really stupid. As an atheist when you die you have 2 options.
@musicalposter Option one: If atheists are right, then when they die, nothing will happen, they'll simply rot in the ground. Or Option two: Atheists are wrong and get to burn in Hell for eternity. Yeah, looking at those two options, people are REALLY lining up to become atheist. Not.
Christians may be the most outspoken about it but, trust, you can not sit there and cast ALL the blame on them. There are other countries that follow a different religion that actually KILL the gays.
@sessakag just because another religion does something worse it doesn't forgive the sins of the other. it's like your saying "sure the girl was given a black eye by it's mother but the child was beaten senseless by it's father and therefore the mother's brutality is completely innocent" also, if you believe in god merely to go to heaven then your "all knowing god" should see through that and send you to where you really belong. There is no hell so you don't need to worry about it.
@musicalposter Didn't say that at all. What I said was that instead of blaming one group of people, you need to blame ALL of them. Where did I say that what Christians do was right or innocent? Read the comments more carefully. And what proof do you have the Hell doesn't exist? Or that God doesn't exist? Because scientists and atheist say there is no God because they can't find proof? That's really stupid.
@musicalposter Did you ever think God made it that way in order to test man and see where their faith would lie? Or maybe you think he doesn't exist because you think the Bible was written by man. Which STILL does not disprove that God exist. And that all seeing God does see through everything and I'm pretty sure he can see the scorn and disrespect you feel towards him. And its very stupid to talk that way about a God that MAY or may not exist.
@musicalposter And I never said I believed in God to stay out of Hell. I believe in God based upon my life and the things I've been through. He "sees through me" and I severely doubt I'll be going to Hell when I'm dead. The same probably can't be said for you. The fact that you are convinced that God doesn't exist is retarded because you have absolutely no proof to support your claim. Stop trying to hold God to human standards and logic. He dictates to you, not the other way around.
@sessakag "We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart."
@sessakag Re your options one and two - that's called Pascal's Wager.
IF there is a god, all seeing and all knowing then he/she/it will know how dilligently or not each of us applied our minds to the question of religion, and will see through our motives, including whether or not some of us are going along with a religion as a gamble
@queenastilon Sure he would. That is why a person needs to turn away from the ways of the world and re-evaluated their life and form their own connection to God, or at the very least TRY to. A person can only try. And I am sure that God would see that attempt for what it was and I'd certainly like to think He'd understand even if a person failed. It is easy to be atheist, it is hard to be religious. Religion is not for the weak.
@sessakag It makes just as much sense for someone to try and follow Brahma... what makes your god any more valid then theirs? Why don't you turn away from your beliefs and try to follow somebody else's REAL god...
@nocturanas Like I said, if you want to decide that you don't want to believe in God, that is your own goddamn problem, however, I will point out that I did not name a certain that I followed, so for you open your mouth about me "following somebody eles's real God" is stupid on your part. I sure as hell don't remember asking you for your two cent opinion so refrain from giving it.
@sessakag It doesn't matter whose god you follow, if you follow one... someone else's is just as valid. The point of the comment was to point out how each individual religion expression their belief in the possession of ultimate truth. What makes your truth anymore real then someone else's... that was the point. On the subject of hell, I am not concerned, not even a little bit.
@nocturanas I know what relgion I follow, though I have not said what it is, and for all you know all religion could be based upon the SAME God. There are many books of religion that have similarities, which would mean that you're wrong no matter what. I'm glad you're not concerned. Have good life while you can. Like I said, you better hope to hell you're right, that's all I can tell ya, lol. Good luck cause you're sure as hell going to need. XD
@sessakag Although you haven't stated which religion you follow, the logic I used still applies... apparently you cannot see that. Also, if you did any kind of studying you would know that although there may be some similarities in some religions, there are very many religions that are very very different, so they cannot all be based on the same god. Why do you wish me luck? Does your religion support luck? Or is everything your god's will? I myself do not believe in luck, so none is needed. ty.
@nocturanas I follow my own logic. I don't need to bind my self to the "logic and rationale" of the world like you do. Oh and I'm really going to look at research done by a bunch of atheists? Right. I don't need your "research" but thanks anyways. I think its sad that you believe everything some scientist or atheists says. You seem to forget they are as human as you and are and are prone to all kinds of misconceptions and mistakes. But hey, if you want to follow them blindly, that's you.
Religion made by slaves for slaves!
MrCarlNovak 1 week ago
This is the most deplorable and disgusting thing I have watched on youtube. How can the person who posted this be so inhumanly cruel as this.
darrenholcomb42 1 month ago
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If you live by the old law then you will have to keep the old law and no one has kept the law for all have fallen short of the Glory of God, there for we are saved by GRACE and is a GIFT of God and no one can EARN their way into the Kingdom of God by WORKS or KEEPING THE LAW, All one has to do is to call upon the name of the Lord and you shall be SAVED, and you will not enter into the kingdom of God based on good works of the Law least any one should boast, for it is by faith and FAITH ALONE.
PaulGeoffreySmith 4 months ago
God totally loves gays. Not bc they are gay but in spite of the fact that they are gay. God loves gossips, not bc they are gossips but in spite of their gossip.
j919or 4 months ago
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God does not hate gay people he hates the sin not the person
Adariuskwame 5 months ago
If Jesus comes back, we'll kill him again! (But we'll give him a better beating this time !)
magos2k6 5 months ago
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@magos2k6 ""we'll kill him again! (But we'll give him a better beating ""
Typical gay taunt
j919or 4 months ago
Yes,gays should be executed.Gay is a sin!Adam and Eve not Adam And Steve!
FinalFantasyGirl151 6 months ago
i don't understand the last part when he said, "Why so many people.. choose their Christian leaders... who actually have the courage of their conviction..."
luvpusha 7 months ago
RELIGION IS LIKE A PENIS.
It's fine to have one. It's fine to be proud of it. But please don't whip it out in public and start waving it around, and PLEASE don't try to shove it down my children's throats. don't for get people who blow them selves up in the name of god
dillinger9999 7 months ago
Ok... So i asked like three different ppl the prob about being gay...
2 of them said cuz they cnt reproduce and the other said cuz God doesnt like them... I asked her where in ther bible it says that and she didnt respond 4 a while... (I think she went 2 check her Bible...) and came back saying "He doesnt like 'em but has 2 live with them!" it was stupid! I am very mad at her at the moment...
Red41658 9 months ago
I'm going to take that as a see how retarded all Christians are and rate it well and it's funny ask current Christians Any question biblically and they don't know the answer I am a athesis and have study biblical history and I get very angry when people lie about a religion to make people follow it god Is not real
TheMusiclover500 9 months ago
Religion is horseshit and mind control for dumb afraid people
brutus301 9 months ago 7
@brutus301 ""Religion is horseshit and mind control for dumb""
Some is and some isnt. Those that lack discernment are easily deceived. There are counterfeit bills does that make all money fake?
j919or 4 months ago
@j919or The word Religion means to bind together. Its supposed to be a vehicle for us to identify our connectedness with the rest of the cosmos. Yet the major religions are in opposition of eachother . They create invisible lines of separation within the populace and within the individual. Don't believe me? Read some of the messages on this thread.
brutus301 4 months ago
Okay, 1) God doesn't do this, we do. 2) God doesn't hate the sinner, he hates the sin.
3) Quit trying to justify your immoral behavior. If you truly think about it, homosexuality goes against nature. We have male and female to do what? Reproduce. You can't reproduce with two of the same sex. So stop trying to justify your despicable behavior. You weren't born that way. You aren't meant to be gay. Homosexuality goes against nature. I'm leaving God out of this but thinking about the cycle of life
CoDeNaMeCrZyChCk 10 months ago
well if i burn in hell for who i am then i think thats evil
queenjoan1000 10 months ago
@fagsdoom You clearly didn't read what I wrote. They don't choose to be gay. Did you wake up one day and decide to be heterosexual? No, you didn't. So your God punishes them for the way he supposedly created them. Smart guy, isn't he? He also likes to plant fossils to test your faith apparently. Nice guy. Have fun kissing his ass some more. What's it like to love and fear someone? Sounds an awful lot like a dictator to me!
idreamtofflight 11 months ago 2
@tonykeywest00 I'm sure that there are just as many straight people killing or raping children as gay people. Same thing goes for spreading disease. Weird how your God feels the same way about homosexuals that you do, isn't it? Hmm. Why would he make these people gay? And please don't tell me "they choose to be gay", that's bullshit. They choose to be gay as much as you choose to be straight.
idreamtofflight 11 months ago
@tonykeywest00
>> study it to understand what it means
You mean listen to people that tell you what it means according to them. The Inquisition, KKK, you, all have interpreted the bible to support bigotry. Thousands of Christian denominations can't agree on meaning, *because it is poorly written*.
>>you think you can twist the words to make God to be unjust.
I wasn't talking about the God character (which is evil by current standards) I was talking about people using the bible for cruelty.
gininginin 11 months ago
@gininginin study. means study. your laziness is not my problem. God is HOLY and he will judge you according to his holy and righteous standards and you cant wiggle out of it with a lot of vain words. OBEY and be blessed, do not obey and be cursed. If you think you can call God evil and justify your sins youre are deceived . no excuses whatsoever
tonykeywest00 11 months ago
@tonykeywest00
>> study. means study. your laziness is not my problem.
Sure, let's study how 'God' made a faulty creation and blamed man, how he killed babies with a flood, how he demands blood...
I don't believe in your god. I was just talking about the despicable character portrayed in the Old Testament. I don't really care of saying 'I don't believe in the Holy Spirit', which by the ridiculous bible standards is the worst sin - the same standards that would send Hitler to imaginary Heaven.
gininginin 11 months ago
@gininginin what part of what I said dont you understand- God will judge you for your sins. stop trying to wiggle out of it and repent.
tonykeywest00 11 months ago
@tonykeywest00 so much love from God, eh? Sends people to hell for not believing.. yeah that's definitely something that someone who loves you would do.. fucking idiot.
idreamtofflight 11 months ago 5
@idreamtofflight He Gave U A Chance On Earth! If U Don't Take It Then I Gueese Ur Screwed!
22221lol 9 months ago
@idreamtofflight And It's Ur Choice For Gettin SEnt To hell, God Just Sends U To Hell For Making The Bad Descion
22221lol 9 months ago
@22221lol that's my point, your god is a fucking asshole, if he even exists. People say he's "all loving" when in reality he exudes all the traits he doesn't want humans to.
idreamtofflight 9 months ago
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@SuperThehighlife I sense that you lack an education.
Just a hunch.
DrkwrldAuthor 1 year ago
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it says in the bible god hates evil an it also says he hates sins like gays having sex with the same sex is a sin it is with it is an thats what it says so what can you do
SuperThehighlife 1 year ago
it says in the bible god hates evil an it also says he hates sins like gays having sex with the same sex is a sin it is with it is an thats what it says so what can you do
SuperThehighlife 1 year ago
@SuperThehighlife but why the fuck would god care about who you have sex with.. we're nothing compared to him. its ridiculous.
idreamtofflight 1 year ago
I believe the bible is there to keep people guessing and is some kind of rule to follow here on earth for our government. Maybe that's why our government is so fucked up, like the bible. God = your mind.
zj10 1 year ago
I feel really sorry for the people that are going to believe this!!!!!!! God is here and Jesus did come and he will be back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I BELIEVE AND NO ONE CAN TAKE IT FROM ME!!!!!!!!!!! Kent hovend Knows the truth he explains it and makes sence like no evolutionest can!!!! Homosexuals are not right there is clearly even nature that a man and women get together and that if you put 2 men together they have to have sex up the ass, they cant even have children. its un natural!!!!!!!!!
dsbanman 1 year ago
GREAT
jakeman4you 1 year ago
Yep, God hates sin. That is true. However, I don't see Jesus killing everybody in sight. Instead I see him forgiving an adulterer, forgiving prostitutes, telling a thief that because he believed he would be with him in paradise. True Christians love. "If I speak in the tongues of man and angels, but have not love I am nothing" 1 Corinthians 13. Also, there is much more to the argument than "moderate" or "radical" Christians. All true Christians should be radically in love with Jesus. Questions?
Eledan13 1 year ago
@Eledan13
Does god forgive a rapist/murderer?
AmericanNohbuddy 1 year ago
@AmericanNohbuddy The basic answer is yes. The thing is that needs to be said though right after that though, how is that murderer or rapist living after they are forgiven. Have they taken a 180 and become so loving that instead of killing they would die to protect those they at one time murdered or raped, because they now love God so much that they would do that. God heals. If someone says they are forgiven by God and keep living the way they have been, I'd question if they really are.
Eledan13 1 year ago
@Eledan13
Well that obviously wouldn't stand in the court of law, but if the woman that was raped or killed didn't accept jesus, she'd go to hell.
That doesn't sound like justice.
AmericanNohbuddy 1 year ago
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Eledan13 1 year ago
@AmericanNohbuddy At first glance it doesn't, you are right. And also I want to make clear that even though God would forgive someone who completely turned from their sin and accepted him no matter what, he would still have to submit to the government law and would likely still be imprisoned for a long time for his crime. Second, about the justice thing. The woman who didn't accept Jesus would not go to hell because she was raped. It would be because of her own sin that that would happen...
Eledan13 1 year ago
@AmericanNohbuddy God would have pity on her situation, but it still doesn't excuse her own sin. Everyone has sin. I do, you do. That is why we need forgiveness. Granted some sins like rape and murder are more heinous than others, however all sins do condemn because God is perfectly holy. He cannot abide with things that are not perfect because he is perfect. That is why people who are Christians want people to know the good news of Jesus because without it they would be lost...
Eledan13 1 year ago
@Eledan13
Then humans are more moral and just than your perverted god.
Taking a life and making that family suffer is far worse than that girl not accepting jesus.
and no, the majority of christians don't care about other people, they condemn them for being gay, hate people of other religions, and want to indoctrinate their kids by telling them prayer works when their kid then dies of complications to diabetes or from not having a vaccine.
AmericanNohbuddy 1 year ago
@AmericanNohbuddy I am sorry that that is the experience you have had with people who call themselves Christians. I personally became a Christian when I was 18 and both of my parents are not Christian, and I can tell you truly that I have been in your shoes. I thought the same things. I don't get the vaccine thing honestly though. I always get my flu vaccines. And while prayer works it not as simple as a vending machine. I don't hate anyone and if Christians do, then they are not following...
Eledan13 1 year ago
@AmericanNohbuddy what they believe. As I said before from Corinthians, if a christian does not have love they are nothing. I only say any of this by the way because I do in a way love you and don't want you to experience Hell. I don't condemn you at all, but then again I am not the judge. I assume that you are probably a fairly moral and good person, but you yourself would almost definitely say you were not without sin/faults and if you didn't your would be lying. ..
Eledan13 1 year ago
@AmericanNohbuddy God does love you and wants to forgive you. My advice would be to you to investigate this stuff to see if it is true. For example, the ressurection. The cornerstone of the Christian faith. Look at proponents from both sides and decide for yourself whether it happened. If it did, then what Jesus said was true and we need to take heed whether we like it or not. Also, both killing somebody and not accepting Jesus are in a way not accepting him...
Eledan13 1 year ago
@AmericanNohbuddy Both are not accepting his statement that he loves you and wants the best for you. By making all the rules God made, he is not trying to be a mean bully saying you can't have any fun. Just like a father doesn't allow his child to play with a longsword, God doesn't want us to sin so we don't hurt ourselves. That's what those rules are for. I know you would probably disagree, but I do hope that you investigate what is true. Also, I would love to still answer any questionsyouhave
Eledan13 1 year ago
@Eledan13
But the father doesn't torture his kid for eternity if he does play with a longsword.
Yes both aren't accepting his statements, but just not believing in someone and killing someone, is vastly different. Plenty of those who don't accept Jesus lived good full lives, but a murderer can get away with ending someone's life? That shows your god cares more about his ego.
I suggest you look up "god the mafia boss"
AmericanNohbuddy 1 year ago
@AmericanNohbuddy Somebody gave me a description of hell that I think is somewhat accurate. He said that Hell is actually the place where God basically lets you have what you want completely. And, what people want by themselves without God is to do what they want without God. So, this would mean basically that you're base self is basically unleashed in Hell. For eternity you can do all the sin you ever wanted but you will always be suffering because you will never have God...
Eledan13 1 year ago
@Eledan13
Someone gave you that description of hell? Weird because there are those famous people who died for a few minutes and said hell was a horrible place with fire and such. Any older person who has control over another could obviously tell them "I can do no wrong" or "I'm on a higher plain than you".
Is it moral because god said so, or is it moral because it's moral?
Like I said before, your god cares more about his ego
AmericanNohbuddy 1 year ago
@AmericanNohbuddy
god is "completely good" because he said so? And that makes sense? And Kim Jong Il tells his people he is the dear leader.
The fact that a sick rapist or child molester or murderer could be forgiven and get into heaven because he "accepted jesus", but his victim would go to hell because they didn't accept jesus, is NOT justice.
that is proof your god's morals are based on being egotistical and self centered.
AmericanNohbuddy 1 year ago
@AmericanNohbuddy God says its moral and because it is objectively moral. Also, for the deathbed conversion thing, while I admit it is possible I would say it is unlikely. To truly repent means completely turning on your sin and that is very difficult to do when you are dying. Anyways, God also gave us life and made the universe. All the things you enjoy are because of God's goodness. I looked up at the sky once in a rural area and realized that it's obvious to me why more people...
Eledan13 1 year ago
@Eledan13 say there is no God now than 100 years ago. Looking up at the sky I know that it is impossible or at the very least improbable that it happened on accident. Also, in contradiction to the mafia boss guy, Jesus is not a loophole. All of us do deserve Hell. The point God is trying to make by sending Jesus and him dying (which btw is totally not divine child abuse, Jesus loved all those he died for and went by his own volition to the cross) is that we need him because he created us for ...
Eledan13 1 year ago
@Eledan13 that amazing relationship. And also, you can continue to say that God is immoral and say that your idea of morals is greater than his and you would be committing the same sin Adam and Eve did as well as almost everybody through history. By getting to know God, I know that when I see him I will not just say "God you're wrong to condemn people and you are evil" but I will instead say pretty much nothing because his holiness and goodness will be in such stark contrast to my sin that...
Eledan13 1 year ago
@Eledan13 I will basically just fall on my face knowing that I am undone. He will be too good. You can reject this you can hate this, but I also know that one day you will have the same experience. Also, I have to respect though your stance that basically if God isn't truly a totally just and good God, then what Jesus said is not good moral teaching but rather completely evil in a way. If he is lying then well he was being pretty cruel.
Eledan13 1 year ago
@Eledan13
"Looking up at the sky I know that it is impossible or at the very least improbable that it happened on accident"
Now you're using christian apologetic rhetoric and blabbing in 5 comments at a time. I'm done.
AmericanNohbuddy 1 year ago
@AmericanNohbuddy Alright, I won't pressure you, please do look into both sides though. Not all Christians are idiots and we disagree on a fundamental premise but I appreciate you taking the time to at least read what I have to say.
Eledan13 1 year ago
@Eledan13
"To your question I would say it is moral both because God says its moral and because it is objectively moral"
thank you for proving my point.
and it's not objectively moral to torture someone for eternity for not believing in something.
Because he created us and everything, including various diseases that kill millions? Doesn't justify anything.
AmericanNohbuddy 1 year ago
@AmericanNohbuddy I do admit that description of hell is flawed in some ways. It was given by a pastor I respect, but it is not entirely consistent with what the bible says. However, it does get across the point that I truly believe that the worst part of Hell is honestly that you don't experience the goodness of God. Btw, I also saw the mafia boss video. I understand his argument and I'm assuming that you are making basically the same one. To your question I would say it is moral both because..
Eledan13 1 year ago
@AmericanNohbuddy See the point of following Jesus is not a get out of hell free card. It is to experience the one who we were created, meant to experience. The purpose of our existence is to be with him, and only God can satisfy the longings we have. Also you are putting God on a plane equal with us. Saying that if a person is good by the standards of our society or the world they shouldn't be punished. God isn't like that. He is totally and completely good. He can do no wrong, and he is...
Eledan13 1 year ago
@AmericanNohbuddy completely just. The forgiveness of God is equivalent for me or you to forgiving a murderer of your son. If I want you to get one point it is that God longs to forgive you and everyone else. When we turn away from him it saddens him immensely. I mean heaven for a person who hates God and has rejected him in his life would not be heaven at all. Heaven without God is no heaven at all. "He is patient not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." 2 Peter 3:9
Eledan13 1 year ago
I like most of the video's point and I am the type of Christian that is not moderate. The bit about the atrocities committed by pharisees wanting to control government and using religion to do it. Those people were duped like the moderate Christian is today so I would give this 2 and a half stars. Cheers!
MrHurricaneIKE 1 year ago
Luke 19:27 is a parable about a nobleman. To understand 19:27, START at verse 12. Jesus wasn't telling anyone to bring HIS enemies to HIM and slay them. He was telling what the NOBLEMAN told HIS servants. Do any of you atheists know how to read and discern?
denalaurens 1 year ago
I'm a lesbian and it is error to say that Christians want gays dead. God loves everyone and if God's Spirit is in the TRUE Christian, they too love everyone. To God, if we're guilty of the least of sin we are guilty of all, but He is forgiving when we ask for forgiveness. God said Judge not, lest ye be judged. If He doesn't force His commandments on people, neither are people to force His commandments on others. God is not pleased with that. False 'Christians' will be judged.
denalaurens 1 year ago
When you are starting a religion, you can't be moderate. Moderate doctrine has to grow into the religion. To be blunt, in many (but surely not all) ways, the Bible is outdated. It was written nearly 2000 years ago. People should expect it to be long dated in key areas. You can't start a religion by being wishy washy about what happens to you when you die, otherwise who's going to bother joining you? The problem with Christianity is that it never fully allowed moderates to grow into it.
WRCis 1 year ago
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WRCis 1 year ago
As a "moderate" Christian" I'm deeply offended. This whole mocumentary is shameful secular humanist garbage. Yes, this has gotten me speaking like a right wing nut for the first time in my life. They take the worst parts of the religion and try to convince people that it speaks for the rest of us. It doesn't. The Bible is not the infallible word of God. It was written by man for man. It has mistakes and dilutions of the truth. But Jesus lived, and died for ALL people not just Christians.
WRCis 1 year ago
@WRCis if the bible contains dilutions of truth, then how can we be sure that ANY of it is true?
Weirdochris 1 year ago
@WRCis Funny, because I could have sworn that the bible is supposed to have been written by god... if you dont believe that, then you aren't a christian! In fact, if it were written by man, then that means that it really does mean the earth was made in 6,000 years, because most people say that "God's idea of years is different from ours", but if it were written by man, then it obviously DOES mean the earth is 6,000 years old! I'm no expert, but the world is NOT 6,000 years old. And im atheist.
Nightelfyo 1 year ago
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WRCis 1 year ago
in luke 19:27 the words are jesus, but he is telling a parable of what a nobleman that went to a far country to receive a kingdon and return, verse 27 is part of that parable the saying is the saying said by the nobleman. jesus is just telling a story
atterolevad 1 year ago
If this movie is trying to say that there isn't a God, than this movie is a LIE!
God does exist, and He loves each and everyone of us more than you can possibly amagine! I have been to God, seen God, and He has appeared to me in spirit as well. His name- Jesus Of Nazareth! I testify and warn all out of love, do not listen to lies, as your soul is a presious soul, and the Angels of the lord rejoice when one soul is found!
Oh yeah, did I mention, I have also been to Heaven?
Peace be with you
tonydegn 1 year ago
@tonydegn If you've been to heaven, why didn't you stay there and spare the rest of us from your fairy tale beliefs?
pervious1 1 year ago 16
@pervious1 If They Have Been Up there Then God Would Put U back On Earth To spread The word'
22221lol 9 months ago
@tonydegn
>> I have been to God, seen God
John 1:18 “No one has seen God at any time..."
John 5:37 "...You have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen His form.”
Either you saw a different God than the bible, or your bible is wrong. Which one is it?
gininginin 1 year ago 17
@gininginin my vote is a different "god."
roaringwaterbay 1 year ago
@gininginin get an education - the word "see" has a dozen definitions in the dictionary. seeing with your eyes is only one of them.
tonykeywest00 11 months ago
@tonykeywest00
Which only reinforces the fact that the bible can mean anything you want (both see and not see) You could easily enforce slavery, bigotry, etc all because of different "interpretations". It is very poorly written, as expected from the ignorant-bigoted-pillagers we know lived in Israel some 2500 years ago.
gininginin 11 months ago
Does God hate bisexuals too, or is it just homosexuals that "he" hates?
ITCHYjr1 1 year ago
AHHHH RUN EVERBODY....its pat robertson!!! lol too bad there isnt a hell for him to burn in
eddo1983 1 year ago
It always makes me laugh when Christians say "the Bible is the word of God". Unless they think God is a viscious homocidal mass murder with serious anger-management issues, it cannot be the word of God.
padraigomairtin 1 year ago
I can't quite tell, but this must be a joke. Nobody could seriously be this narrow minded, could they?
mypuppycooper 1 year ago
Actually, homosexuality is only said to be an abomination in Leviticus 18:22. In Leviticus 20:13, yes, homosexuality is punishable by a death sentence. I don't like what I read in the Bible.
PeterRabbitTV 1 year ago
@sessakag Invisible fairies live in my closet and they only reveal themselves to me when I am alone without someone in the house Under the specific conditions, prove to me they don't exist. No matter what you do,technically you can't disprove it.This is the problem with the god idea. Also it would be my burden to prove the existence of the fairies. Your proof would be that there is no proof and that's that. So the same goes for god and prayer. I see no proof from the claiming side. Its not real.
FailedCloneOfGod 1 year ago
@FailedCloneOfGod Uh huh, yeah. Not convincing me at all. You wanna say something is not real, then disprove it. Otherwise, don't tell me its not real. And before you say "Prove to me that it is real" I really don't have to. I am not trying to convince you that anything is real. I am stating if you can't prove that something doesn't exist then you can't say its not real.
sessakag 1 year ago
@sessakag Thats intellectual dishonesty.I could be convinced there is a god easily if blood rained from the sky or some crazy shit happens that science cant explain, but centuries can pass and people will still think its real even if theres no sign.How much time has to pass before we decide%100 there is no god? Another few thousand years? I see your stance but it only sustains an idea that might be false.Sustaining an idea can be just as bad as believing blindly.It never puts the issue to rest.
FailedCloneOfGod 1 year ago
@FailedCloneOfGod Listen, like I told the other guys, I am not trying to get you to believe anything, nor am I stating I believe in God, I am simply stating that you cannot necessarily say something doesn't exist if you can't prove it. You have to prove what you say in science whether you are saying something exist or doesn't exist. If you run around saying "there is no God" then you are no better than religious fanatics running around saying things you can't prove. That's all I'm saying.
sessakag 1 year ago
@sessakag You should check out Falsifiability and Evidence of absence on Wikipedia before you spew such idiot comments.
Rawbdog 1 year ago
@Rawbdog Oh God not another wannabe scientist. Look, your comment was stupid in its self. Wikipedia is not a website that a person should look for factual information. Wikipedia is a site that can be changed by other people. So, if you're taking your information from Wikipedia, then you really need to stop now before you make an even bigger ass of yourself than you already have by commenting on my comment with a stupid comment. =)
Wikipedia, lmao, how stupid. XD
sessakag 1 year ago
@sessakag You forget that Wikipedia generally asks for sources when things are changed. Also, you commit the fallacy of attacking Rawbdog's source rather than his argument. Typical Christian bad logic.
IfByWhiskey486 1 year ago
@sessakag It is a logical impossibility to prove a negative. You can't prove there is no God, in the same way you can't prove there are no unicorns or faries or flying teapots orbiting the earth. The burden of proof rests on the THEIST to prove there IS a God. What an atheist CAN do is assert that it's most likely there is no God, since science is continually taking us farther away from God. This is Richard Dawkins's position.
IfByWhiskey486 1 year ago
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@IfByWhiskey486 It is a logical impossibility to prove a negative.
"There is no arsenic in salt."
That's a negative, and I can prove it.
jgrab1 1 year ago
@IfByWhiskey486 Its really easy to pick out the scientist wannabes. You guys make it so easy. First of all, I have not identified myself as a Christian, so where you get "typical Christian bad logic" from I have no idea. Maybe you made the comment to make yourself seem smarter or something? I'm not sure, but it had the opposite effect, FYI.
sessakag 1 year ago
@IfByWhiskey486 Second of all, Wikipedia is not a reliable source at all. When I was in college and we had to do reports, we were banned from using that site because of its mixed up, and sometimes made up "facts", even in high school we couldn't use it, so addressing his argument would have been a waste of my time because of the unreliable source he got it from. His source was part of his argument and without a proper source he really didn't have much of an argument to begin with.
sessakag 1 year ago
@sessakag 3) More Christian bad logic: "Argument from Ignorance Fallacy-" It is a logical impossibility to prove a negative. Maybe you should take an elementary logic course- this is basic stuff. The burden of proof, therefore lies with the theist, the party with something positive to proove. As for Dawkins (and others), he has done more to discredit religious tenets with hard evidence than I have seen any theist do to discredit any freethinker.
IfByWhiskey486 1 year ago
@IfByWhiskey486 Once again, you speak without knowing any sort of facts about the person you are speaking too. More bad wannabe scientist logic on your part. I have not identified myself as a Christian, so repeating the same things over and over lets your ignorance shine through. If you are going to say "God doesn't exist" then prove it. Let me guess, you can't prove it can you? Which is why you come up with bullshit to shift the attention from your lack of proof. Simple concept to follow.
sessakag 1 year ago
@sessakag Again, you can't proove God doesn't exist, BECAUSE IT'S A LOGICAL IMPOSSIBILITY. And that's not "scientist logic." That's actually VERY ELEMENTARY LOGIC that most high school students know.
IfByWhiskey486 1 year ago
@IfByWhiskey486 As for Dawkins, what hard evidence has he come up with, lol. I really want to hear this. I do hope you understand that he is just as capable of being completely wrong as anyone else. I notice that when it comes to religion, you "scientist" don't think logically about it.
sessakag 1 year ago
@sessakag Have you ever taken a look at a fossil record? A DNA map? Maps of speciation, macroevolution, etc. etc. etc.? It's all hard evidence.
And yes, he WAS just as capable of being wrong as anyone else. So what? He WASN'T wrong, and that's all that matters. What kind of stupid logic is this?
IfByWhiskey486 1 year ago
@IfByWhiskey486 Thirdly, you do have the burden of proving that God does not exist. If you are going to sit here and say that he doesn't exist then prove it, otherwise, you have no foundation for making such a claim. Works the same way for theists, if they have no proof then their claim is just bogus as a scientists and atheists' disbelief. And what do I care about Richard Dawkins's position on anything? He is just as capable of being wrong as anyone else, so what was the point of that comment?
sessakag 1 year ago
@sessakag 1) "Scientist wannabes?" My background is in biological anthropology with an advanced degree before I became an lawyer, for your information. Typical Christian bad logic: ever hear of the "Ad Hominem" fallacy? Look it up. 2) Wikipedia often requires citations after articles, which you yourself and check.
IfByWhiskey486 1 year ago
@IfByWhiskey486 LMAO, woooow. Your comments are so very obvious. You would know biological anthropology if it hit you in the face, that is blatantly obvious by your own comments. You are a scientist wannabe and that's all there is to it. Second, Wikipedia is not reliable resource so no amount of talking is going to change that. Once again, last week, we were told that we could not use that site for information on our oral presentations.
sessakag 1 year ago
@sessakag You haven't said anything of substance here. A whole lot of "ad hominem" actually. Sorry, but that doesn't do anything but make you sound like an idiot.
IfByWhiskey486 1 year ago
@sessakag And back to your curious point about Wikipedia: Yes, anyone can change it, though it's still subject to fact checking. I'm not sure if you're aware of that. Changes require citations which YOU can look at yourself and decide their credibility for yourself... unless you lack the logic and critical thinking skills to do that on your own, and by looking at your previous comments and the content of your profile, you probably do.
IfByWhiskey486 1 year ago
@IfByWhiskey486 Hypathetically speaking, if God does really exist, do you honestly believe that a being capable of creating Earth and humans would be easy to locate? That if he did not want to be found that he'd have a hard time avoiding the human eye? Really? Take some time and really think. Until scientist beings know everything there is to know, you really can't convince me of shit. Of all the knowledge and information out there, what scientist think they know don't mean squat.
sessakag 1 year ago
@sessakag Yes. And what's your excuse for him being impossible to locate? You haven't told me anything.
IfByWhiskey486 1 year ago
@sessakag While I'm at it, I should also add that your aversion to logic, scientific throught, and your skewed take on each are extremely alarming. Pity that your stupider portion of the American population is what many in the rest of the world recognize this country by.
IfByWhiskey486 1 year ago
@IfByWhiskey486
if you are actually a lawyer, you are certainly not much of one especially when you don't and can't fully explain how what I am saying is wrong legally, but you instead runaway as soon as I was truly about to enlighten you on the facts that are based on what actual lawyers have said about judge Walker's ruling.
Not to mention, you are the one that responded to me FIRST and I was just trying to understand where you were coming from as far as your position on this issue
kenballer00 1 year ago
@kenballer00 Because there's really no use explaining a matter of law to someone who clearly has no understanding of how the legal system works. Your claims about which courts can do what are laughable even by a 1L's standards. By the way, why don't you show me these legal sources you cite, and I'll show you mine. The majority of the legal community seems to disagree with you.
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kenballer00 1 year ago
@IfByWhiskey486
you obviously did not fully read my last comment. I specifically said that I finally understand the ,as you said, scope of your argument or how you are framing it since you were the one that responded and contacted me first. Then, I said I was ready to give you the compelling argument or justification for why denial of gay marriage is ultimately no different than polygamy and incest legally speaking for the most part.
kenballer00 1 year ago
@kenballer00 Further, your logic is just plain bad. If you had presented a compelling argument, I would have been more than happy to discuss it. Rather, as said, your scope was all over the place, you were guilty of equivocation quite a few occasions, and you attempt to throw Red Herrings and Straw Men all over the place. Sorry, but attempting to argue against that is a complete waste of time.
IfByWhiskey486 1 year ago
@kenballer00 Also, I have fully explained why what you were saying was wrong. Legally. If you lack the critical thinking skills to pull separate a premise from a conclusion then that's your problem, not mine.
IfByWhiskey486 1 year ago
@kenballer00 In abstract: You analogized gay marriage to incest and bigamy, using the standards of the "state's objective to provide for the public at large through the promotion of procreation and rearing of children." I posited there was objective evidence for banning incestuous and plural unions, & none for banning gay unions. You wanted proof. I cited sources for you in relation to State interest [the scope which YOU set]. You ignored it, instead spewing misunderstood legal concepts.
IfByWhiskey486 1 year ago
@IfByWhisk
There are many things you have said that I know are incorrect or a bit obscure factually, but instead you prematurely block me after just a few exchanges which is a sign of irrational emotions because ignoring me would of been the step most of the people I debate or debated with. Somebody rational would not of abruptly in the middle of a discussion or few exchanges block someone. Your the first though for me. Nevertheless, I will give you what you want in PM or comment. Just ask.
kenballer00 1 year ago
@kenballer00 And which exactly are incorrect or obscure? Because I always make a point to cite whatever it is that I use. And I ignored you frankly because your logic is bad, you can't see any evidence other than your own, and therefore it's a complete waste of time having your emails pile up in my inbox.
IfByWhiskey486 1 year ago
@IfByWhiske
I don't know why I even bother in the first place with you. You are a dime a dozen as far as people who think their position on this issue is valid, but there is a part of me that can't allow people like to manipulate others into thinking that your side holds any merit. Also, the fact that you "claim" to be a lawyer makes me even more obligated to put you in your place. It would be much easier and smoother to transfer my information and argumentation into PM but whichever's fine.
kenballer00 1 year ago
@kenballer00 "Manipulate?" Oh really? Because you're actually the one using red herrings and equivocations. You can't even keep a thought straight, nor can you even keep track of what you've said. And "put me in my place?" Please. You barely have any understanding of Civ Pro, and it doesn't even take a lawyer to notice that. I regret these comment boxes aren't large enough to quote whole e-mails, otherwise I'd post the absolute hilarity you've been sending to me for days for all to see.
IfByWhiskey486 1 year ago
@kenballer00 I'm re-reading everything you've written me, by the way. I've noticed your habit of ignoring entire arguments and introducing irrelevant things instead BAAAAAD logic. You've cited ONE thing, I've cited QUITE a few. I would hardly call information from controversial cases, the APA, EPPC, Clinical Child and Family Psychological Review, "obscure" and "incorrect." I personally can't allow people like YOU to manipulate others into believing in bad logic and arguments with no evidence
IfByWhiskey486 1 year ago
@IfByWhiskey486 What I have an aversion to is wannabe scientists like you that think everyone has to believe the word of other people that don't know anymore about the world than than the next person.What's alarming is your overwhelming and appalling arrogance and single minded belief that scientists have all the answers. What's a pity is pigheaded people like yourself call yourselves "free thinkers" and then talk shit to another free thinker that happens to believe something different than you.
sessakag 1 year ago
@sessakag So, yes - You have an aversion toward science, logic, learning, reason, etc. in favor of the attitude "Screw science, I'll believe in what i wish, even in the face of hard scientific fact which I choose not to believe in because I don't want to, even when it contradicts me comepletely." Whatever. I have a feeling that if you had been born centuries ago you would have been a witch burner. Idiot.
IfByWhiskey486 1 year ago
@IfByWhiskey486 From what I've heard from you so far, its painfully obvious you're a scientist poser with your head stuck so far up your ass you can't even see your own stupidity, ignorance and bad, bad logic.
sessakag 1 year ago
Bad logic? I've yet to hear you say anything that hold water, other than a painfully stupid set of hypotheticals that sound like you pulled them from Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron's website.
IfByWhiskey486 1 year ago
@IfByWhiskey486 By your own comments you've identified yourself as a scientist wannabe. You can be ignore now, just like the rest of your fellow wannabes. Hope stop being a poser one day :)
sessakag 1 year ago
@sessakag I'd rather be a scientist wanna be than deal with a stupid person. And I'd rather deal with a stupid person than an igorant person, because at least stupid people are teachable. Simply put, you're ignorant. Are you from the Bible Belt or something?
IfByWhiskey486 1 year ago
@sessakag For evolution to go on there needs to be variation, allowing for natural selection... like variations in brain mass. Some people might have more than others. Congratulations. You belong to the bottom of this evolutionary barrel. When will people like you go extinct?
IfByWhiskey486 1 year ago
@IfByWhiskey486 Intelligence is not always a positive adaptation. Look at parasites. They lose all unneeded parts, like eyes and brains, keeping those which enable them to thrive in their particular environment. In a similar way, someone who has a genetic mutation enhancing gullibility and minimizing introspectiveness and intelligence actually improves their chance of breeding success within a theological ecology, which still comprises the majority of humanity. Natural Selection is a bitch.
artgoat 1 year ago
@artgoat ... I was being sarcastic.
IfByWhiskey486 1 year ago
What an idiot - Luke 19:27 is in the context of a parable.
subzero831 1 year ago
the only religion that does make sense and has no crazies in their group are the Buddhist. they haven't killed anyone in the name of their religion.
Gottschalk1990 1 year ago
@Gottschalk1990
I guess you need to read more. Cambodian–Thai border clash happened because of one temple.
MokomaSusi 1 year ago
@MokomaSusi what i meant is something like the crusades didn't happen to them. yet..
Gottschalk1990 1 year ago
fucked up shit. I believe that there is a saying that goes. "let me live my life and i will let you live yours."
Gottschalk1990 1 year ago
I say we nuke DC before they turn into gay-killing machines
lordmetal2 1 year ago
nocturanas I return the answer to ur question. Read Numbers 31:16 then think about what God was doing. The Old Test. tells how God was preparing a group of people (Israelites) to be the ones who the Messiah(Yesuah= Jesus) would be born into. What He had Moses do was very harsh, but there was so much more at stake: billions who would in the future accept the atoning work of Jesus on the cross to pay for their sins. Those kids are with God and the girls who hadn't tried to corrupt, He let live.
MrsMaridav 1 year ago
Dean Wycoff was out of order in what he says in this clip.. yes the Bible states homosexuality is a sin, but so is lying , stealing, bearing false witness... BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS .. JESUS DIED AND PAID FOR ALL OUR SINS.. . WE ALL have sinned and fall short... pointing fingers at one sin over another is a waste of time. The verse this clip pulled from Luke 19:27 is being used out of context.. it was part of a parable Jesus was telling..He wasn't saying it in reference to Himself.. Read the Bible
MrsMaridav 1 year ago
@MrsMaridav Soooo was it ok for Moses to murder woman and children?? Numbers 31... yea read the bible and see how awesome God and his leaders were. Killing unarmed woman and children
nocturanas 1 year ago
@Kwinnky I think it is a demonstration of how the words of the Bible are not entirely safe. Christians attempt to paint the Bible as a peaceful book, yet as "God's perfect word" there are many examples otherwise. The fact of the matter is, there are millions of people who disagree on their own beliefs and interpretations. Therefore, if is says something, then it can definitely mean something to someone. Which is why they paint it in that light.
nocturanas 1 year ago 2
great, thanks for sharing
MicahBuzan 1 year ago
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Brian Flemming is an idiot and harming kids with typical ahtiest hate towards christians. Glad christianity is bothering you Brian and hope it only gets worse for you.
pantherkim 1 year ago
The inquisition was a martyrdom of 500 million Christians. A.K.A., the Tribulation Revelation spoke of.
kasaibouF29 1 year ago
"judeo-christian religions" yeah as if islam is more tolerant
TheCommentifyer 1 year ago
Jesus want to Kill what a nice man. Just invented by wicked men to excuse their evils.
I wonder if they hate those who they do not approve of their sex,I wonder what these deniers do in their own bedrooms.
Yes the bible is wrong.
elainethewise 1 year ago
this left me very confused.
CodeDarkBlue 1 year ago
Christians aren't the only people that hates gay. Why are there so many videos about how Christians hate gays, and yet there are none about the atheists that hate gays or the millions of other religions that don't think being gay is good. But I guess the homos have to blame someone huh?
sessakag 1 year ago
@sessakag hmmmm i wonder why? Oh! it might be all those times religious zealots have spoken up and condemned homosexuality, actively held signs up and screamed about hell and homos.(also i have never once meet an atheist that cared so much about someones sex habits that they had to put their two cents in.)
musicalposter 1 year ago
@musicalposter Why do people always bring up atheists? What significance can an atheist possibly have that every gay activist wants to point out what they think. FYI, I know quite a few atheists that do not support gays, and atheist individuals are no better than anyone else. The fact that they don't believe in God doesn't really make them more knowledgeable or smarter than anyone else. I thin being atheist is really stupid. As an atheist when you die you have 2 options.
sessakag 1 year ago
@musicalposter Option one: If atheists are right, then when they die, nothing will happen, they'll simply rot in the ground. Or Option two: Atheists are wrong and get to burn in Hell for eternity. Yeah, looking at those two options, people are REALLY lining up to become atheist. Not.
Christians may be the most outspoken about it but, trust, you can not sit there and cast ALL the blame on them. There are other countries that follow a different religion that actually KILL the gays.
sessakag 1 year ago
@sessakag just because another religion does something worse it doesn't forgive the sins of the other. it's like your saying "sure the girl was given a black eye by it's mother but the child was beaten senseless by it's father and therefore the mother's brutality is completely innocent" also, if you believe in god merely to go to heaven then your "all knowing god" should see through that and send you to where you really belong. There is no hell so you don't need to worry about it.
musicalposter 1 year ago
@musicalposter Didn't say that at all. What I said was that instead of blaming one group of people, you need to blame ALL of them. Where did I say that what Christians do was right or innocent? Read the comments more carefully. And what proof do you have the Hell doesn't exist? Or that God doesn't exist? Because scientists and atheist say there is no God because they can't find proof? That's really stupid.
sessakag 1 year ago
@musicalposter Did you ever think God made it that way in order to test man and see where their faith would lie? Or maybe you think he doesn't exist because you think the Bible was written by man. Which STILL does not disprove that God exist. And that all seeing God does see through everything and I'm pretty sure he can see the scorn and disrespect you feel towards him. And its very stupid to talk that way about a God that MAY or may not exist.
sessakag 1 year ago
@musicalposter And I never said I believed in God to stay out of Hell. I believe in God based upon my life and the things I've been through. He "sees through me" and I severely doubt I'll be going to Hell when I'm dead. The same probably can't be said for you. The fact that you are convinced that God doesn't exist is retarded because you have absolutely no proof to support your claim. Stop trying to hold God to human standards and logic. He dictates to you, not the other way around.
sessakag 1 year ago
@sessakag "We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart."
-- H. L. Mencken
musicalposter 1 year ago
@musicalposter The same can be said for atheist and non religious individuals. And what exactly was that quote meant to prove?
sessakag 1 year ago
@sessakag Re your options one and two - that's called Pascal's Wager.
IF there is a god, all seeing and all knowing then he/she/it will know how dilligently or not each of us applied our minds to the question of religion, and will see through our motives, including whether or not some of us are going along with a religion as a gamble
queenastilon 1 year ago
@queenastilon Sure he would. That is why a person needs to turn away from the ways of the world and re-evaluated their life and form their own connection to God, or at the very least TRY to. A person can only try. And I am sure that God would see that attempt for what it was and I'd certainly like to think He'd understand even if a person failed. It is easy to be atheist, it is hard to be religious. Religion is not for the weak.
sessakag 1 year ago
@sessakag It makes just as much sense for someone to try and follow Brahma... what makes your god any more valid then theirs? Why don't you turn away from your beliefs and try to follow somebody else's REAL god...
nocturanas 1 year ago
@nocturanas Like I said, if you want to decide that you don't want to believe in God, that is your own goddamn problem, however, I will point out that I did not name a certain that I followed, so for you open your mouth about me "following somebody eles's real God" is stupid on your part. I sure as hell don't remember asking you for your two cent opinion so refrain from giving it.
sessakag 1 year ago
@sessakag It doesn't matter whose god you follow, if you follow one... someone else's is just as valid. The point of the comment was to point out how each individual religion expression their belief in the possession of ultimate truth. What makes your truth anymore real then someone else's... that was the point. On the subject of hell, I am not concerned, not even a little bit.
nocturanas 1 year ago
@nocturanas I know what relgion I follow, though I have not said what it is, and for all you know all religion could be based upon the SAME God. There are many books of religion that have similarities, which would mean that you're wrong no matter what. I'm glad you're not concerned. Have good life while you can. Like I said, you better hope to hell you're right, that's all I can tell ya, lol. Good luck cause you're sure as hell going to need. XD
sessakag 1 year ago
@sessakag Although you haven't stated which religion you follow, the logic I used still applies... apparently you cannot see that. Also, if you did any kind of studying you would know that although there may be some similarities in some religions, there are very many religions that are very very different, so they cannot all be based on the same god. Why do you wish me luck? Does your religion support luck? Or is everything your god's will? I myself do not believe in luck, so none is needed. ty.
nocturanas 1 year ago
@nocturanas I follow my own logic. I don't need to bind my self to the "logic and rationale" of the world like you do. Oh and I'm really going to look at research done by a bunch of atheists? Right. I don't need your "research" but thanks anyways. I think its sad that you believe everything some scientist or atheists says. You seem to forget they are as human as you and are and are prone to all kinds of misconceptions and mistakes. But hey, if you want to follow them blindly, that's you.