People have forgotten that these people are terrorist SUSPECTS. they've never been tried, they've never been convicted. They were never proven Terrorists. yet everyone is scraming "kill the scum" right from the start It was under bush's rule that the military basically kicked down doors and dragged people off to Gitmo.
The reason why NO ONE wants trials is because there's a very good chance that most of these guys would be found innocent after all. then you have a real problem.
And night is day and day is night. These people are admitted terrorists. They are proud of it. This is the problem with thinking overly liberal on issues like this. You think they are innocent when they say they are proud of their role. They could and should be tried in privacy at a military prison. If Obama can't handle that then he should at least keep the trials private. Please Obama have a brain on this one and don't leave it to Holder. Do something right.
They didn't ALL admit to that. some of them have been fighting to prove their innocence over the years. The ones that admitted it, fine, deal with them. but the ones that didn't should be tried fairly.
and for the love of god, don't start in with the "liberal" card already. I'm tired of everything being "liberal"
Number one rule about PR. Don't tell people what the verdict will be before having a trial. Gibbs and Holder have both said Kahlid will likely be executed for his crimes. Going through a public trial is akin to a show trial. It begs the question, why bother having a trial if you already have a verdict in mind. This whole scenario to me smells like apeasment. Either to appease Europe, or to appease the public left view that "Hey Look at me, I'm not Bush" Obama and his admin are childish
Thank you for slamming my country by the way...if you look at America and all you see is the Land of the Fat..then you don't see us at all. What if I took such a cursory view of Israel....let's see, how does the media portray Israel and the Jews....wouldn't be fair would it?
Let's be real. You live in a Country that owes it's very existence to My nation of "stupid people" and if we were but to simply give the nod, you would be over run by radicals whole would destroy every man woman and child. And where would YOU Mr. Arrogant dual citizenship run to....? The very Nation you critisize. You are and urchin, a sucker on life and justice and you are not worth my time. You are a coward and an imbecile and we both know it. Good night..and sweet dreams princess.
i'm...a coward...(sniff)...and an...imbecile (oh no!) because i think usa has a FAT problem?
you need to become more of a man and less sensitive to the truth. it is not politically correct to point out that USA has a FAT problem, but i think you will never win the next wars if your country does not get in shape.
also, FAT people use up a lot more resources and oil. FAT people weigh more and they require larger vehicles. it is unpatriotic to support overconsumption and FAT people.
Palistinian people are being murdered by Israel while they use theiontrol over media to lauch sensitive dialogue on the Holcaust which happened 7 decades ago (Askenazi is an abbrevaition for Nazi ) by their own people in a racial purification war (financed by them as well)
You people are blind deaf & dumb to the real state of affairs confronting the US.
These are war criminals.
They sanctioned/Pardoned the rape of children as young as 8 years of age in front of their families. Killed millio of Iraqi women & children...MILLIONS...LET me say that again for you American idol lovers..MILLIONS.
While you are race baited into accepting tyranny of a different color but financed by the same...Israel
Palistinians throw rocks while Israel launches White Phosphorus.
Well that's probably for the best. Anyone who would throw a rock at an enemy who is just going to cover you in white phosphorus is just stupid and needs to be wiped out anyway. Thin the herds of the stupid ones. Palestinians suffer for one reason, they are led by fanatical anti Jewish nut cases like you. The surrounding Muslim Nations don't about them,..they are just and excuse to attack Israel. I guarantee you if the US civilians were attacked by rockets every day,..our military would respond
The US gov has been taken over by international Banksters & the Military Industrial Complex (Just like Pres. Eisenhower warned us about in his exit speech!). They used 9/11 as a pretext to go into these illegal wars (which has killed MILLIONS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE! Remember that only a few thousand died on 9/11) they also used it to take our rights away with The Patriot Act & so many other atrocities & it's sucking our Economy dry along with the Trillions handed over to the Banksters in Bailouts!!!
Gibbs is repeating his boss's line that we need to try them in a civiian court and then convict them in a civilian court. ...Should make for a good show.
while i do feel bad for victims of terrorism and USA's bombings of wedding parties, i think the constitution says that all ppl should have the right to a fair trial.
i don't think it is the government's right to declare anybody has no rights
Fair trial for CITIZENS of the US, yes. Enemy combatants have no constitutional rights. KLM should be hanged by the neck until death. He admitted he did it.
KLM killed 3,000 Americans. Where were their rights?
i think you are misunderstanding the constitution of USA, your system says all people are protected by certain rights.
otherwise your government will call anyone terrorists as an excuse to disregard their rights. i also think it's not necessary to kill someone to punish them, life in prison in a maximum security jail could be more effective than providing martyrdom.
Yea, I guess calling KLM a terrorist is a reach, huh. Hitler was just a nice guy who gasses a few million people over a missunderstanding with the Jews. Mao wasn't a bad guy, he just thought a little too much of his party to let 70 million of his fellow countrymen get in the way. KLM is as guilty.
The Constitution gives rights to WE THE PEOPLE. of the US. Come kill us and we will hunt you down and you be punished according to law, and the POTUS is losing his argument for giving KLH "right.s".
you have a fundamental misunderstanding of your own constitution, which has been interpreted by your supreme court's conservative majority as covering all people in USA's prosecutorial jurisdiction as possessing rights.
just because there is a prisoner of war does not mean he has no rights. there are some lawyers in your president's administration and previous who tried to say the accused has no rights, but this is a dangerous argument, since it means they can call anyone a terrorist.
Would you define KLM as a terrorist? He mastermined the 911 attacks on the USA which killed 3,000 people from all parts of the world. They have declared Gihad on the US which is as good as a declaration of war on us as far as any noble minded person is concerned..
Maybe some pre trial deals and a motion to dismiss because KLM was read his rights, and ultimately a dismissal. How would KLM fair if, say, he blew up a few buildings in Moscow and killed 3,000 of Russias finest?
i just think there is not really any proof that he was behind the attacks. he might have admitted it but wasn't he tortured? people will say anything to stop being tortured, i know i would.
except i didn't say i would crack, i said i would say anything to stop being tortured.
this is what most people do when they are tortured. hence why torture is unreliable in evidence collection, which is why my country's intelligence services do not use it, contrary to popular perception.
Take what you are saying to it's missguided fullest, WE THE PEOPLE have no right to kill any enemy combatant in war under any circumstances. Obama is blowing up people with drones right now. Should we arrest Obama for murder and for violating the constitutional rights of those who have sworn to kill us? The "Conservatives" are the one who are for protecting our Constitutional rights from the progressive agenda which seeks to undermine what our founders stood for. We are not a tyranical govmnt.
i never said USA is tyrannical, in fact its government is trying to make people more free around the world and is even catching up with us in Israel to integrate their military.
however i just think that when a government gets too big and too powerful it may disregard the fact that it is strictly limited by its constitution.
i think conservatives don't really like civil rights though, you cannot tell me with a straight face that liberal democracy is a bad thing.
Sure I can,..Liberal Democracies think they know better than their citizens and they regulate EVERYTHING! Those of us who have worked for the government know how it works...it just gets bigger and bigger..."spend your budget or they will take it away!!!" Most of us want to live as free of government as possible. It has its place but it it has surpassed that a long time ago. Wait til the government taxes you on the meat you eat...oh thats right...you probably eat tofu. Nevermind.
Thank you for making my point....most of America would disagree that the governement has ANY place telling us what should be on our dinner tables. Thats the difference...you ( the left ) wants the government involved in the personal aspects of our lives...we do not. That's why so few Americans 21% identify themselves as Liberal. Most are normal everyday people who think thats nuts!
most of Americans are greedy and do not like being told NO.
most Americans are stupid and do not know what they are doing to their bodies. or they are even more stupid and do know but do it anyway. here is where i think your government should step in, because in the end a hands off approach will only increase your health costs and decrease USA's quality of life.
also, overconsumption is a bad thing but i know it is politically incorrect to say that to a fat american
You said, "Most Americans are stupid". What an arogant ass you are. Have you met most Americans? No. You like to speak in generalizations which means you are of limited mental ability yourself. You see, in this Country, despite all of our faults..we are pretty good at a few things. The existence of Israel depends on us. I personally support Israel wholeheartedly,...but I disapprove of you and your existence. You think you know better than everyone else....I have an answer for that....
Put to death is a little extreme, hellno. I think they were perfectly fine where they were, in Gitmo. However, I agree that they ought to be questioned thoroughly, using enhanced interrogation if necessary to get information.
We need one common place to hold court for these people. They should not be mirandized or given the same rights as American citizens. The trials should be swift and quick! Then put to death after all the information can be obtained from them.Thirty days tops after the end of their trial is finished
Gibbs is a moron.
ghostfish01 1 year ago
People have forgotten that these people are terrorist SUSPECTS. they've never been tried, they've never been convicted. They were never proven Terrorists. yet everyone is scraming "kill the scum" right from the start It was under bush's rule that the military basically kicked down doors and dragged people off to Gitmo.
The reason why NO ONE wants trials is because there's a very good chance that most of these guys would be found innocent after all. then you have a real problem.
MischiefMeerkat 2 years ago
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And night is day and day is night. These people are admitted terrorists. They are proud of it. This is the problem with thinking overly liberal on issues like this. You think they are innocent when they say they are proud of their role. They could and should be tried in privacy at a military prison. If Obama can't handle that then he should at least keep the trials private. Please Obama have a brain on this one and don't leave it to Holder. Do something right.
pacanime1 2 years ago
They didn't ALL admit to that. some of them have been fighting to prove their innocence over the years. The ones that admitted it, fine, deal with them. but the ones that didn't should be tried fairly.
and for the love of god, don't start in with the "liberal" card already. I'm tired of everything being "liberal"
MischiefMeerkat 2 years ago
Number one rule about PR. Don't tell people what the verdict will be before having a trial. Gibbs and Holder have both said Kahlid will likely be executed for his crimes. Going through a public trial is akin to a show trial. It begs the question, why bother having a trial if you already have a verdict in mind. This whole scenario to me smells like apeasment. Either to appease Europe, or to appease the public left view that "Hey Look at me, I'm not Bush" Obama and his admin are childish
pacanime1 2 years ago
Gibbs is like an artificial robot experiment that you can bounce questions off him, and his AI software attempts to emulate a Liberal. Gibbs 1.0
2cpus4me 2 years ago 2
Obama hasn't a freaking clue as to what he's doing
roscoe85cj 2 years ago 2
Thank you for slamming my country by the way...if you look at America and all you see is the Land of the Fat..then you don't see us at all. What if I took such a cursory view of Israel....let's see, how does the media portray Israel and the Jews....wouldn't be fair would it?
pieceomeat 2 years ago
i didn't slam USA, i slammed its people.
i think fat people should not be told that they are on the right track. fact is it may not be P.C. but they are on the wrong track.
LLORT3 2 years ago
Let's be real. You live in a Country that owes it's very existence to My nation of "stupid people" and if we were but to simply give the nod, you would be over run by radicals whole would destroy every man woman and child. And where would YOU Mr. Arrogant dual citizenship run to....? The very Nation you critisize. You are and urchin, a sucker on life and justice and you are not worth my time. You are a coward and an imbecile and we both know it. Good night..and sweet dreams princess.
pieceomeat 2 years ago
i'm...a coward...(sniff)...and an...imbecile (oh no!) because i think usa has a FAT problem?
you need to become more of a man and less sensitive to the truth. it is not politically correct to point out that USA has a FAT problem, but i think you will never win the next wars if your country does not get in shape.
also, FAT people use up a lot more resources and oil. FAT people weigh more and they require larger vehicles. it is unpatriotic to support overconsumption and FAT people.
LLORT3 2 years ago
you can never get a straight answer from this jerk
09090985 2 years ago
Who controls this media..
Who controls the argument & information.
They are all liers!
Paid Liers!
Palistinian people are being murdered by Israel while they use theiontrol over media to lauch sensitive dialogue on the Holcaust which happened 7 decades ago (Askenazi is an abbrevaition for Nazi ) by their own people in a racial purification war (financed by them as well)
Its not racist.
I am black
but recognize the lie.
& the incredible hate weilded on the poor
Israel US Lies
ShillFinder21 2 years ago
You people are blind deaf & dumb to the real state of affairs confronting the US.
These are war criminals.
They sanctioned/Pardoned the rape of children as young as 8 years of age in front of their families. Killed millio of Iraqi women & children...MILLIONS...LET me say that again for you American idol lovers..MILLIONS.
While you are race baited into accepting tyranny of a different color but financed by the same...Israel
Palistinians throw rocks while Israel launches White Phosphorus.
ShillFinder21 2 years ago
Well that's probably for the best. Anyone who would throw a rock at an enemy who is just going to cover you in white phosphorus is just stupid and needs to be wiped out anyway. Thin the herds of the stupid ones. Palestinians suffer for one reason, they are led by fanatical anti Jewish nut cases like you. The surrounding Muslim Nations don't about them,..they are just and excuse to attack Israel. I guarantee you if the US civilians were attacked by rockets every day,..our military would respond
pieceomeat 2 years ago
Of course he dodges the question. He is on Fox. He aint getting softballs like he does on NBC, MSNBC, CNN, CBS and ABC.
bigdogsdontbark 2 years ago
The US gov has been taken over by international Banksters & the Military Industrial Complex (Just like Pres. Eisenhower warned us about in his exit speech!). They used 9/11 as a pretext to go into these illegal wars (which has killed MILLIONS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE! Remember that only a few thousand died on 9/11) they also used it to take our rights away with The Patriot Act & so many other atrocities & it's sucking our Economy dry along with the Trillions handed over to the Banksters in Bailouts!!!
TheInfo101 2 years ago
obama is a murderer, impeach!
LUXBeaker 2 years ago
Gibbs is repeating his boss's line that we need to try them in a civiian court and then convict them in a civilian court. ...Should make for a good show.
Aeschylus 2 years ago
Gibbs-- You lie! You dodge! You suck!
pmesser1 2 years ago
faiL
jhtrico1850 2 years ago
while i do feel bad for victims of terrorism and USA's bombings of wedding parties, i think the constitution says that all ppl should have the right to a fair trial.
i don't think it is the government's right to declare anybody has no rights
LLORT3 2 years ago
Fair trial for CITIZENS of the US, yes. Enemy combatants have no constitutional rights. KLM should be hanged by the neck until death. He admitted he did it.
KLM killed 3,000 Americans. Where were their rights?
ORNGCNTY 2 years ago
i think you are misunderstanding the constitution of USA, your system says all people are protected by certain rights.
otherwise your government will call anyone terrorists as an excuse to disregard their rights. i also think it's not necessary to kill someone to punish them, life in prison in a maximum security jail could be more effective than providing martyrdom.
LLORT3 2 years ago
Yea, I guess calling KLM a terrorist is a reach, huh. Hitler was just a nice guy who gasses a few million people over a missunderstanding with the Jews. Mao wasn't a bad guy, he just thought a little too much of his party to let 70 million of his fellow countrymen get in the way. KLM is as guilty.
The Constitution gives rights to WE THE PEOPLE. of the US. Come kill us and we will hunt you down and you be punished according to law, and the POTUS is losing his argument for giving KLH "right.s".
ORNGCNTY 2 years ago
you have a fundamental misunderstanding of your own constitution, which has been interpreted by your supreme court's conservative majority as covering all people in USA's prosecutorial jurisdiction as possessing rights.
just because there is a prisoner of war does not mean he has no rights. there are some lawyers in your president's administration and previous who tried to say the accused has no rights, but this is a dangerous argument, since it means they can call anyone a terrorist.
LLORT3 2 years ago
Would you define KLM as a terrorist? He mastermined the 911 attacks on the USA which killed 3,000 people from all parts of the world. They have declared Gihad on the US which is as good as a declaration of war on us as far as any noble minded person is concerned..
Maybe some pre trial deals and a motion to dismiss because KLM was read his rights, and ultimately a dismissal. How would KLM fair if, say, he blew up a few buildings in Moscow and killed 3,000 of Russias finest?
ORNGCNTY 2 years ago
i just think there is not really any proof that he was behind the attacks. he might have admitted it but wasn't he tortured? people will say anything to stop being tortured, i know i would.
LLORT3 2 years ago
Because you are a lefty pussy, ofcourse you'd crack.
pieceomeat 2 years ago
except i didn't say i would crack, i said i would say anything to stop being tortured.
this is what most people do when they are tortured. hence why torture is unreliable in evidence collection, which is why my country's intelligence services do not use it, contrary to popular perception.
LLORT3 2 years ago
Take what you are saying to it's missguided fullest, WE THE PEOPLE have no right to kill any enemy combatant in war under any circumstances. Obama is blowing up people with drones right now. Should we arrest Obama for murder and for violating the constitutional rights of those who have sworn to kill us? The "Conservatives" are the one who are for protecting our Constitutional rights from the progressive agenda which seeks to undermine what our founders stood for. We are not a tyranical govmnt.
ORNGCNTY 2 years ago
i never said USA is tyrannical, in fact its government is trying to make people more free around the world and is even catching up with us in Israel to integrate their military.
however i just think that when a government gets too big and too powerful it may disregard the fact that it is strictly limited by its constitution.
i think conservatives don't really like civil rights though, you cannot tell me with a straight face that liberal democracy is a bad thing.
LLORT3 2 years ago
Sure I can,..Liberal Democracies think they know better than their citizens and they regulate EVERYTHING! Those of us who have worked for the government know how it works...it just gets bigger and bigger..."spend your budget or they will take it away!!!" Most of us want to live as free of government as possible. It has its place but it it has surpassed that a long time ago. Wait til the government taxes you on the meat you eat...oh thats right...you probably eat tofu. Nevermind.
pieceomeat 2 years ago
i think the government SHOULD regulate what people eat
look at USA, it is the land of the FAT
LLORT3 2 years ago
Thank you for making my point....most of America would disagree that the governement has ANY place telling us what should be on our dinner tables. Thats the difference...you ( the left ) wants the government involved in the personal aspects of our lives...we do not. That's why so few Americans 21% identify themselves as Liberal. Most are normal everyday people who think thats nuts!
pieceomeat 2 years ago
most of Americans are greedy and do not like being told NO.
most Americans are stupid and do not know what they are doing to their bodies. or they are even more stupid and do know but do it anyway. here is where i think your government should step in, because in the end a hands off approach will only increase your health costs and decrease USA's quality of life.
also, overconsumption is a bad thing but i know it is politically incorrect to say that to a fat american
LLORT3 2 years ago
You said, "Most Americans are stupid". What an arogant ass you are. Have you met most Americans? No. You like to speak in generalizations which means you are of limited mental ability yourself. You see, in this Country, despite all of our faults..we are pretty good at a few things. The existence of Israel depends on us. I personally support Israel wholeheartedly,...but I disapprove of you and your existence. You think you know better than everyone else....I have an answer for that....
pieceomeat 2 years ago
Put to death is a little extreme, hellno. I think they were perfectly fine where they were, in Gitmo. However, I agree that they ought to be questioned thoroughly, using enhanced interrogation if necessary to get information.
nlolinder 2 years ago
We need one common place to hold court for these people. They should not be mirandized or given the same rights as American citizens. The trials should be swift and quick! Then put to death after all the information can be obtained from them.Thirty days tops after the end of their trial is finished
hellno50 2 years ago