Port Civil Disobedience

[1dtbimp]

We need to change our system in order to prevent our economy from collapsing. I came here today in search of anyone who will hear my message. The FED have complete control over our money and they have no government agency to regulate them, which means they could do whatever they won't. Please support me to take down the FED, visit my channel, there's a petition that needs your name on it!

[hawkeyicockburn]

I'm very proud of you people!

[welbhloud]

civil disobedience is still disobedience, you posses, do you actually thing, that world can be without fight?

[Patriol666]

there is no democracy, there is a dictatorship of the proletariat. the majority is a class of non-thinking people. civil disobedience is the instrument of the thinkers.

[Viva1776]

freedomofmine:

Hopefully I am not the first person to point out the fact that America is not a national democracy system. It's a constitutional republic. Truth be told, democracy is not a good thing. The Founding Fathers were strongly against it. As Franklin said: "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch."

[alchemistsgarden]

lmao, that is a great quote. it's true though, democracy is authoritarian; would you want 51% of the population dictating how it SHOULD be? no thanks.

[anarchopunk69]

Unless you want to use modern political terms that are more accurate the U.S. is a polyarchy and I beg to differ democracy is a good thing something the ignorant founding fathers couldn't greasp their mind around. Besides whenever has the minority in power done what is right? They only do what is right for themselves. And I hate metophors that simply state an opinion one could have as easily said there were two lambs and one wolf.(Republics allow a wolf to win no matter what the majority is)

[UltimoLatino]

what the fuck how is a cop going to tell you how and what you can bring to a protest? Doesnt that defeat the purpose.

[neechee66]

Is the "purpose" not the "Issue"? Your personal accessories are insignificant.

[UltimoLatino]

Uh... not really. I mean the purpose of any protest is to disrupt and get attention to the issue. If you look at the things you bring to a protest as tools to help your protest accoplish this then a cop telling people what tools they can bring basically undercuts your ability to effectively disrupt and get attention. As long as protesters dont possess deadly weapons there is no need for police to tell them what they can and cant bring.

[skegy]

When does Civil Disobedience become sabotage?

[tenzing9]

When it's directed by the White House.

[TotallyWickedYo]

Simply AWESOME! =D

Truly inspirational.

[CalcBoy91]

Do what Acumensch said, read Thoreau's essay titled Civil Disobedience. Only thing is, it's written in 19th century language but if you analyze it carefully enough there's a strong message hidden in there in that complex text.

[Viva1776]

CalcBoy91:

Good observation. Civil Disobedience does possess a strong message. However, it's clearly not a hidden one. Perhaps that pesky 19th century vernacular is obscuring it. The message is simple, yet profound. The individual is greater than the masses. Individuality was an important matter to Thoreau. Henry the Hermit was more about expressing his own opinion in his own words rather than chanting in unison amongst the members of a "peaceful" mob.

[CalcBoy91]

You have a good point. I should have chosen my words more carefully. It is not a hidden message. Rather, it is the rhetoric of the time period. However, if interpreted correctly, as you said, his message is a strong and simple one: that the individual is greater than the masses.

[johnathanmootz]

this is a really stupid thing to go to jail for they where willing to let you all do your thing to use your right to protest and you where in your rights to protest but when you do something that the police told you not to do then you are brekeing the law plan and simple if you get a ticket and you dont sign it you go to jail if you protest and dont do what an cop tells you to do me may warn you or if you do it on pourpous you go to jail and what did that do nothing but spend money for nothing

[frnnk]

last time i checked, there shall be no infringements on my right to peaceably assemble. When cops tell me what I can and can not do regarding those rights, there's a major problem.

I suppose an interested, alert, active public is the most dangerous thing to this government

[bearshaman0]

better people than me. all the respect in the world for you. a few times in my life ive wanted to partake in a demonstration but i know that the way im made it would only be "uncivil asskicking" so chose not to partake cause it would only ruin what people like these are trying to do

[newgness]

great stuff.

[billycarr]

Thoreau ws not necessarily against violence. We should remember that, too. I believe that violence against the government is the only justified use of violence that there is.

[diannejd4]

The beauty of the music as a background to

such bravery and commitment juxtaposed against the almost tranformer-like/robot

police force -- this video was compelling from

the 1st second to the last.

[Acumensch]

Thank you very much, Dianne. I hope to make more short videos that show Americans exercising their rights and liberties in the same way the 23 did in this video.

[diannejd4]

Are you going to be in Seattle Saturday?

Some others from Port Townsend and I will be

at Charles & 20th (one block S. of Dearborn)

to distribute WAR IS NOT THE ANSWER signs. I

hurt my back a few days ago, so I don't think I can do the march, but I wanted to be there.

Dianne

[blue46gt]

Hey, those cops were polite and happy when they arrested all those unarmed protesters, so it must be okay!

/sarcasm

[Macno76]

Hi Americans! Vote for Ron Paul please! Best whishes from Germany.

[NoahHoe]

some one gave you a thumbs down.

i corrected it with a thumbs up.

whoever it was, i hope they fucking die.

[KamikazeKoscki]

five stars! If more people had the courage this would be a great nation. Go to law school become a lobbyist, and really make a difference in life and change, we need to get the traitors out of office.

[PhiloTheSceptic]

When you go to prison, you can continue to be disobedient. Refuse to sign anything.

I don't know how it works in the USA, but in the UK they must let you go after 2 days unless you are charged with an offense or you are accused of being a terrorist (where they can keep you for up to 90 days without charing you, which makes me sick).

Refuse to sign anything the police give you - they cannot keep you there forever for peacefully protesting.

[Zitronekopf]

At least that first cop seemed nice...

There's just something about riot police that says "tension"...

And what's the deal now? You spend how long in jail, on what charges and you have to pay how much for bail or bond?

[Acumensch]

i think ppl spent two days max in jail.

[Acumensch]

Civic engagement is not a waste of time. Right now there are millions of people desensitized, watching MTV, watching America's Next Top Model, playing WoW, or numerous other activities which are not civically engaging.

How can you say that networking at a protest is a waste of time. That is just to say that you would not spend your time at a protest. Anything YOU disagree with is a waste of time. It would waste your time. Not ours.

[kamraman]

You guys really have no clue do you? I bet you complained that your cuffs were too tight after you were arrested. Next time I hope every single one of you are arrested and booked into jail for the fullest extent of time possible. You are a drain on resources and annoying as hell.

[casmith245]

If they were all arrested they would be taking about $150-$200 per day for jail or prison hosing plus taking up space in the jail system for the meth mites and gangbangers that Tacoma has.

[ziplinedown]

What a waste of human life. Go do something productive because you are pissing the world off. Oh and when you break a law, you are going to get arrested. Theres nothing un-constitutional about that.

[Acumensch]

Protesting illegal war is, according to ziplinedown, "a waste of human life". Ha! His argument boils down to this: "Protesting the waste of human life is a waste of human life." (sigh)... Another war-mongering moonbat full of contradictions.

The point of civil disobedience is exactly that we know we're breaking a law -- an ad hoc law we believe is unjust -- in order to bring light to the situation and to help shape the government into a more just institution.

[ziplinedown]

You know that when you are constantly protesting anything and everything, it takes away all credibility. I believe that what you are doing takes away from society and does not help to accomplish anything. Everyone has a right to their beliefs, but what you are doing is not changing anyones mind, in fact it is just adding credibility to the statement that what you have to say is worthless. It is also taking away from my own power as a college student.

[Acumensch]

Zip, we're protesting the war. You say simply taking the anti-war stance "takes away all credibility".

You're a college student, ashamed of people like me, and yet you don't know how to make a good argument. I debate at my school, and I'm secretary for our Model UN team. Do you have a debate team at your college? You should learn something from them.

[ziplinedown]

Dont tell me the things that i am saying. Your constant protesting is what takes away credibility. Anyone who sees you just brushes it off because it really doesnt matter what you are protesting, you are all there because you think this is fucking v for vendetta or something. And this is not a formal debate, and i have no interest in it being so because in the end you wont make a difference anyways, and you are just not worth anyone's time. Good luck with the teargas

[Acumensch]

How does constantly protesting the war constitute an argument against anything?? You're such a troll. What are you majoring in?

You said you wouldn't debate formally (nor informally?) So what do you spend your time doing? You browse YouTube and leave trolling comments. You'd rather do that than actually debate. That's disappointing because I post these videos with the hope of fruitful debate.

[ziplinedown]

everyone has the right to an opinion, and im not arguing against your opinion, but the protesting is a waste of everyone's time. While you break petty laws, there is someone out there beating a woman that the police dont have time for. Do you think that anyone in polotics gives a shit that a 20 year old ultra liberal student disagrees with him. The reason america is so great is because we dont have to commit crimes to make a change, we get to vote.

[Acumensch]

There was no evidence for lack of police presence elsewhere. Riot police wouldn't have been patrolling if they weren't at the protest.

Voting: I didn't get to vote in 2003 to invade Iraq. Did you? There isn't proportional representation in the US: voting here is a winner-take-all game, unlike newer democracies. In most electoral bodies in Europe if a party has even 5% of the vote they're represented in parliament. Not here. So when I vote libertarian I am not represented.

[Acumensch]

"Do you think that anyone in polotics gives a shit that a 20 year old ultra liberal student disagrees with him."

Yes. Dennis Kucinich, Tacoma city councilmembers, Olympia city councilmembers, etc.

And that's why two students who organized this protest were interviewed on Hannity and Colmes.

[andrexh]

ziplinedown: protesting gave you the many civil rights that you probably already take for granted; and police brutality is progressively becoming less of an issue because of protests and collective civil action groups

[ramblini]

wow.

[tenzing9]

fine work on this and other videos, a real contribution to the growing body of short films covering today's peace movement. thanks for being there.

[Mafia0000]

I have to say I hate all you hippies, but good job on this video, im impressed

[atwitsend]

government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it.

Declaration of Independence

[casmith245]

Did you tape all this? If you did was it before or after you were detained by TPD?

[Liface]

After.

[casmith245]

Acumensch did you video tape all this or did someone else video tape it and you editied it and posted it?

[Acumensch]

I shot all of the widescreen shots. Except for some of the (3:4 aspect, fullscreen) shots, which were filmed by my friend with his GL2. It was all shot last Sunday, after my detainment, and after the first rounds of tear-gassings.

[143tbone]

Thank you for the links you provide with your videos.

And good job.

[justplainzach]

Beautiful video and editing. Good work.

[smallstillvoice]

I am so moved - as a Tacoman - of what happened here. I look to Olympia and say THANK YOU for your commitment and stirring the stagnant air.

But mostly this comment is to say you put this together so so so beautifully - bringing forward the awesome nature of cd

[ayub359]

I am very much moved and impressed by the level of committment of these people, both young and old ! Dissent is the highest form of patriotism ! These people deserve the respect of their peers; they certainly have mine !