The law of biogenesis, followed by the law of natural explanations

[WeekendTuber]

Interessant filmpjes, je hebt er een subscriber bij ;-)

Ik moet nav dit abiogenese verhaal ook denken aan de christelijke schepping vd mens namelijk van klamme aarde, wat bij mijn weten niet leeft.

Een veel gebruikt verklarend argument is dat dit boven de wetenschap staat doordat God het deed, maar daar los je het probleem niet op...

Iig succes met nieuwe filmpjes en ik zag dat je thewaytruthandlife ook al kende.

Heb ook met hem "gepraat" ;-)

[mindwis3]

Hey weekendtuber,

bedankt voor de compli's. Ik ga zo even jouw uploads bekijken, de titels zijn indrukwekkend.

Tsja, met NowayOrtruthinhisLife heb ik idd ook kennis.gemaakt, of "gepraat" idd, lol ;)

Lees je later WTuber, ik ga ff wat filmpjes over rivierdelta's en creationisme vs wetenschap bekijken :))

[5tonyvvvv]

@mindwis3 Learn Homochirality, you have clue what your saying, amino acids can never organize themselves!

[mindwis3]

@5tonyvvvv

"amino acids can never organize themselves"

it's called "synthesis" tony, the Urrey-Miller experiment has shown that amino acids can synthesize, as have many other experiments.

[5tonyvvvv]

@mindwis3 LOL. I can see you have no clue what your saying, your just another clueless atheist with no understanding of Chemistry,"synthesis" is COPYING and REARRANGING what already existed! Templates are always used!! Go Learn Homochirality!!

[mindwis3]

@5tonyvvvv

"your just another clueless atheist with no understanding of Chemistry,"

Apart from having studied chemistry, and actually experimented with chirality using i.e. polarized light

You are just another theist who throws an irrelevant technical term in a comment and then thinks he is smart.

"synthesis" is REARRANGING what already existed"

Indeed, it is organizing molecules that "already existed" to form amino acids that did not.

just like in the Urrey-Miller experiment...

[5tonyvvvv]

@mindwis3 The miller experiments failed, miller produced a Toxic TAR, with NO INFORMATION! it Lacked Chirality!!! ...LOL... polarized light, another ASSUMPTION to make you atheist chemistry work! Amino acids break down to quickly for any kind of light to help! Its all ASSUMPTIONS!!

[mindwis3]

@5tony

"LOL.polarized light, another ASSUMPTION to make you atheist chemistry work! Amino acids break down to quickly for any kind of light to help! Its all ASSUMPTIONS!! "

Your "understanding" shines again Tony.

Polarized light is not used to "help" create, or to make anything "work".

It's just used to determine what the chirality of i.e. a sugar is.

"it Lacked Chirality!!!"

Wrong again, the experiment produced both types of chiraity, so it was not homochiral.

You're not making much sense,

[5tonyvvvv]

@mindwis3 Miller did not produce the molecules necessary for life!! He made a Tar! with no INFORMATION! and a Racemic Mixture!!!

[mindwis3]

@5tonyvvvv

Urrey miller created amino acids, the things you claimed could not form.

Now you are sliding the window to need proteins formed....

It's all fine with me dude, you've commented errors enough for all to see, and your profanity might win you over some simpletons, keep 'm :)

You may even believe "spoken into existence" is more likely then synthesis... fine with me :)

i won't delete any of your comments, so by all means show me your divine ways of thinking.

[5tonyvvvv]

@mindwis3 You are misquoting me, and you are very Ignorant and stubborn, and you really dont understand Chirality at all. You need INFORMATION MORON!! The precise Code to start building Proteins! Natural processes can not accomplish this.

[mindwis3]

@5tonyvvvv

"You are misquoting me"

- our full comments are here, for everyone to verify.

"and you are very Ignorant and stubborn, and you really dont understand...MORON!! "

- thanks, coming from you that's quite the compliment, really divine too :)

"Natural processes can not accomplish this."

- right, that's why there's plenty on this planet.

"The precise Code to start building Proteins"

no code, catalysts.

[5tonyvvvv]

The probability of forming one homochiral polymer of N monomers by chance = 2–N. For a small protein of 100 amino acids, this probability = 2–100 = 10–30. Note, this is the probability of any homochiral polypeptide. The probability of forming a functional homochiral polymer is much lower, since a PRECISE amino acid sequence is required in many places. Of course, many homochiral polymers are required for life, so the probabilities must be compounded. Time and chance is not an option!!

[mindwis3]

@5tonyvvvv

"Of course, many homochiral polymers are required for life"

It did not matter which chirality got the upper hand, either one will lead to more of the same type.

Chance is not relevant in the way you describe since it is an additive process, to ever more complex molecules.

You can not take proteins catalized by enzymes in todays life as the needed result for synthesis 3 Bn years ago.

well, you can but it's irrelevant.

[5tonyvvvv]

@mindwis3 Dummy, Miller did not produce one SINGLE PROTEIN!! The amino acids could not be used MORON!! Left and Right handed Do not work!!!

[mindwis3]

@5tonyvvvv

'Miller did not produce one SINGLE PROTEIN!! The amino acids could not be used MORON!!"

No one claimed the experiment produced a protein, you're shooting air now...

'Left and Right handed Do not work" depends on what yo use it for... some 'diet' sugars work precisely because of that.

You're not saying anything new here, just irrelevant stuff.

[5tonyvvvv]

All amino acids in proteins are 'LEFT-handed', while all sugars in DNA and RNA, and in the metabolic pathways, are 'RIGHT-handed'.homochirality

A 50/50 mixture of left- and right-handed forms is called a racemate or racemic mixture!!!!. Which life cant USE!!.there is ZERO chance of proteins forming by chance or on a primordial earth or even under amazing conditions in labs.and ZERO chemistry to support it..all we do is copy information,thats not creating anything!

[YV7812]

I came across your vids on accident...but somehow couldn't stop watching your vid. I couldn't help but find what you were discussing about atheism (if that's how you spell it)interesting.  Have you always been an atheist? And what lead you to come to this conclusion of existance. Just curious. :)

[mindwis3]

Hi YV,

Thanks for the compliment and the question.

I've been an atheist most of my life, though i was kind of a deist at some point.

What led me my atheism is kindof boring though.

To me it seems the universe and life etc, function as if there is no god.

And since i have no reason to assume there is one, i am an atheist.

I'm quite willing to change my mind, but not for unverifiable promises of heaven and neither for unverifiable threats of hell (or alike).

That's all really :)

Kind regards,

[lindsey2021]

Evolutionists ignore abiogenesis because it determines actual creationism. Creation is synonomous with Adam and Eve. "There is no adam and eve because we came from apes" However when you ask the evolutionist about abiogenesis, he says it has nothing to do with evolution and to ignore it. But they say that because abiogenesis IS creation. How was that first organism created to give birth to all life forms today that HAVE evolved? And I dont like the fact that you are calling people silly.

[mindwis3]

"Evolutionists ignore abiogenesis because it determines actual creationism"

- ah, is that why it's a scientific field of study?

"Creation is synonymous with Adam and Eve"

- to you perhaps, but not to many other creation stories.

"abiogenesis IS creation."

- not creation the way you see it, it's more like "formation"

"How was that first organism created"

How did it "form" you mean..

" I dont like the fact that you are calling people silly"

And i don't like the way you keep using "creation".

[nadienie]

Of je het ermee eens bent of niet, je hebt een duidelijke eigen mening! I noticed that ;) En dat is naar mijn mening altijd beter dan dat er iets wordt nagevolgd wat geschreven staat in een boek.

[mindwis3]

hey nadienie,

Sorry dat ik zo laat reageer ;)

Ik moet bekennen dat mijn mening voor een groot deel uit boekEN komt, maar da's wat je bedoelde denk ik, niet uit 1 boek.

En ik denk inderdaad dat ik dat na evaluatie de geaccepteerde puntern uit die boeken daarna inderdaad "mijn" mening noemen.

Het begin van je comment maakt me toch nieuwsgierig:

Zie je bepaalde dingen iets anders?

dat zou wel leuk zijn, en ik ben er echt nieuwsgierig naar.

Grts,

[meowmixtures]

The Cell is the building block of all living things. If God didn't bring it into existence then who did?

Read a case for the creator by lee strobel.

And Einsteins papers published in God's Equation compiled by Amird Aczel.

[mindwis3]

"If God didn't bring it into existence then who did?"

That is an "argument from ignorance".

Why does the sentence end with "who did", "how did it" is much better.

Basic cell structures form even while i do the dishes.

If Einstein believed in any god, it was certainly not the biblical one.

And even if he did, it's irrelevant.

Or do you think he "proved" your god by special or general relativity or something?

[meowmixtures]

Many Evolutionists think they can conveniently ignore Abiogenesis by sweeping it under the carpet. But Evolution could not exist without it - unless you believe in intelligent design, because that is the only alternative to Abiogenesis, neither one can be proven scientifically, so to believe in one requires a lot of faith. This is why so many Atheists wish not to approach the subject. I think it's called the emu effect - they just bury their head in the sand and hope that the problem disappears.

[mindwis3]

Abiogenenis sweeped under the carpet?

Is that why it's a scientific field of study?

"so to believe in one requires a lot of faith"

Not really, since it's chemistry for the most part and that's quite well understood.

Moreover, more and more complex molecules needed for "life" have been shown to synthesize under plausible conditions. (even Ribosomes !!)

ID is nothing but "i don't how, so it must be god".

They're not in the same league MeowM.

[proteanview]

You're on a roll

We can't stop you

I'm happy

[mindwis3]

:)

And correct :)

But it's terrible, i really cannot stop ;)

I hope that doesn't make too many subscribers realize i can be quite boring too, i mean 1 video a month may have hid it quite well, but this..........

Tnx friend,