@FeelTheWay The point was to have a small pocket-size keyboard with all capabilities of a PC keyboard in a small size for anyone who finds that useful in some fancy application (not the one this video, just use your imagination). Obviously you do not find that useful. But that was years ago and today we have touch screens, smart phones etc where the same principle can be used as an on-screen chording keyboard.
@FeelTheWay The concept has now been implemented on smart phones. There are GKOS chorded keyboard applications available for Android, iPhone and MeeGo Harmattan (Nokia N9). The point to use those apps might be e.g. bigger and fewer keys, larger font and the number of easily available characters and functions (native symbols, functions like Ctrl, Alt, Home, End, PgUp/Dn...).
@bfr0d, No, this prototype was not made of Gutta-percha or Bakelite. I did not have those materials handy, so the device is composed of polystyrene and PVC: old credit cards, adhesive tape and a plastic box. However, I recommend that you try the iPhone and Android GKOS applications to start with today.
@tiainse1 I don't see mass appeal for this product, I really don't. The only clear benefit that I see over solutions like miniature bluetooth keyboards or solutions like FrogPad, is that you can hold it up with one hand, but in reality...how many times are we that limited? Not only that, people need to learn how to use it and in this day and age of fast paced modern living I wonder if people have the patience to learn how to use it....I doubt it.
@bfr0d, You can hold the GKOS and FrogPad device with one hand but not type effieciently without using the other hand as well. That's my point: why keep the other hand in your pocket while it is available in at least 99,9% of cases. GKOS was originally designed for two hands. The Android GKOS application, however, includes a new optional, a quite effective, way of typing with one hand for those rare cases ('single hand mirror'). Some people might have the patience and time to try and use GKOS.
There is now an iPhone GKOS keypad application where this same chordic method can be used on the touch sensitive screen. A link to the app can be found at the gkos site.
The key layout is slightly modified to allow typing on thumbs, requiring only one keypress per hand but the character sets are exactly the same.
@linkcell - One way to do that is to have a midi keyboard connected (USB) to a PC with Ubuntu OS and fluidsynth running on it. By using the Gambas2, you can create a simple program that reads the midi signals (key down / key up = note_on / note_off), dumped by fluidsynth, from the keyboard and creates the corresponding chord out of that. Perhaps using black keys F#, G# and Bb of two octaves for ABC and DEF would make most sense.
to me the only thing that came close to rivaling the keyboard is phone keypad typing with predictive txt
My idea of a wrist strap that recognises finger movements is another poor idea.
Brain implants has got to be the future for replacing keyboards, being able to control cursor and typing by thought alone.. I think the keyboard will be with us for atleast the next 20years
I'm glad to hear that because Not needing a belt or hand strap is advantage number 28 of gkos. I gave up predictive texting because after years of use it still could not predict what I was going to say. I now use mini qwerty on cell phones but wait for a gkos app for my iPhone because of my large thumbs. - Maybe I will get hold of a brain implant kit as well and do some experiments. - I think we will need some kind of keyboards until the humankind degenerates, regenerates or fades away.
People like to be able to type with 1 or 2 hands, even 1 finger. Some people may not have a full set of fingers!
to me the only thing that came close to rivaling the keyboard is phone keypad typing with predictive txt
My idea of a wrist strap that recognises finger movements is another poor idea.
Brain implants has got to be the future for replacing keyboards, being able to control cursor and typing by thought alone.. I think the keyboard will be with us for atleast the next 20years
maybe this gadget works for you but this kind of thing wont catch on.
as much as I would like to see something replace a keyboard, I can't see it happening soon. The only improvement to the current keyboard is to rearrange the letters (non-qwerty) but nobody would want to 're-learn' how to type.
Yes, you are right. There's already the Dvorak rearrangement of keys from 1930s, but it has not been able to replace qwerty e.g. because any new and better layout would only be optimised for a limited set of languages, maybe for one only. That would be a nightmare to manufacturers, not an improvement - also to users waiting for ages to get their native hw version of a new product.
problem is "after 9 years of use" this is how fast you can type,, not a good advert. My idea involves a wrist strap that recognises finger movements and translates them to type :D
The video is almost 9 years old :) Uploaded it 3 years ago. See the laptop. My idea dates back to 1999 and I've been since preparing devices and test software for Windows, Linux, PIC, Arduino... not typing so much. I tested my gkos speed recently on sdf/jkl and it is around 50 wpm. Limit for these kind of chord keypads is maybe 60 wpm. You cannot achieve that typing on clumsy micro switches as on the demo. - Do you have a video showing your wrist strap idea in action? wpm?
Why the hell would you need this?...oh,I broke my keyboard when i was cooking fecies with my mom,That's why I'm gonna use this little remote control shit!...This product has that much sense as my last sentence...A total waste of precius money!
it's a chorded keyboard, six keys means that if you hold one key down (like the shift key is a chord that changes 'a' to 'A') you can change the meaning of the remaining 5 keys, and those five keys can be used individually or with each other (key 1, key 1 &2, key 1&2&3, key 1&2&3&4, etc so with just 6 keys a chorded keyboard allows you to use any character on a normal keyboard (and often is programmable so that common sylables are also available (like in, to, ing, ed, th)
Hard to say because I have no experience on using Twiddler. Learning curves could be similar. With GKOS you only use 3 fingers (no pinkies) of each hand which could make it easier for 'non-pianists', and if you know how to type characters G, K, O, S and W (also serve as shifts) the rest of the letters come in alphabetical order. But I think the main difference is the physical size and what their target applications are. A bluetooth GKOS could be the same size as a small thin matchbox.
Not binary. Keys are A, B, C on the left and D, E, F on the right hand side. They change to other letters when you press a shift (combination) on the other side (=other hand). Simple as that.
Very useful for people who are disabled and need to use a computer with one hand.
zowki 7 months ago
AWESOME!!! where can you buy one?
simplewesomeness 8 months ago
AWESOME!!!
simplewesomeness 8 months ago
What's the point to make a such keyboard ? Useless ... use your skill to make something usefull ...
FeelTheWay 10 months ago
@FeelTheWay The point was to have a small pocket-size keyboard with all capabilities of a PC keyboard in a small size for anyone who finds that useful in some fancy application (not the one this video, just use your imagination). Obviously you do not find that useful. But that was years ago and today we have touch screens, smart phones etc where the same principle can be used as an on-screen chording keyboard.
tiainse1 10 months ago 2
@FeelTheWay The concept has now been implemented on smart phones. There are GKOS chorded keyboard applications available for Android, iPhone and MeeGo Harmattan (Nokia N9). The point to use those apps might be e.g. bigger and fewer keys, larger font and the number of easily available characters and functions (native symbols, functions like Ctrl, Alt, Home, End, PgUp/Dn...).
tiainse1 3 months ago
Are those keys made of materials from the year 1920....sigh
bfr0d 1 year ago
@bfr0d, No, this prototype was not made of Gutta-percha or Bakelite. I did not have those materials handy, so the device is composed of polystyrene and PVC: old credit cards, adhesive tape and a plastic box. However, I recommend that you try the iPhone and Android GKOS applications to start with today.
tiainse1 1 year ago
@tiainse1 I don't see mass appeal for this product, I really don't. The only clear benefit that I see over solutions like miniature bluetooth keyboards or solutions like FrogPad, is that you can hold it up with one hand, but in reality...how many times are we that limited? Not only that, people need to learn how to use it and in this day and age of fast paced modern living I wonder if people have the patience to learn how to use it....I doubt it.
bfr0d 1 year ago
@bfr0d, You can hold the GKOS and FrogPad device with one hand but not type effieciently without using the other hand as well. That's my point: why keep the other hand in your pocket while it is available in at least 99,9% of cases. GKOS was originally designed for two hands. The Android GKOS application, however, includes a new optional, a quite effective, way of typing with one hand for those rare cases ('single hand mirror'). Some people might have the patience and time to try and use GKOS.
tiainse1 1 year ago
Easiest way to test this concept today is downloading a GKOS keyboard application to your phone from Android Market or from iPhone App Store.
tiainse1 1 year ago
There is now an iPhone GKOS keypad application where this same chordic method can be used on the touch sensitive screen. A link to the app can be found at the gkos site.
The key layout is slightly modified to allow typing on thumbs, requiring only one keypress per hand but the character sets are exactly the same.
tiainse1 1 year ago
Wonderful keypad!
yjite 1 year ago 2
Omg, this is fantastic.
Listen im trying t develop a way to write with a midi controller.
Can you help me?
Thx
linkcell 1 year ago
@linkcell - One way to do that is to have a midi keyboard connected (USB) to a PC with Ubuntu OS and fluidsynth running on it. By using the Gambas2, you can create a simple program that reads the midi signals (key down / key up = note_on / note_off), dumped by fluidsynth, from the keyboard and creates the corresponding chord out of that. Perhaps using black keys F#, G# and Bb of two octaves for ABC and DEF would make most sense.
tiainse1 1 year ago
@linkcell - The order of keys should be F#=KeyC, G#=KeyB, Bb=KeyA for the left hand and the other set F#=KeyD, G#=KeyE, Bb=KeyF for the right.
tiainse1 1 year ago
to me the only thing that came close to rivaling the keyboard is phone keypad typing with predictive txt
My idea of a wrist strap that recognises finger movements is another poor idea.
Brain implants has got to be the future for replacing keyboards, being able to control cursor and typing by thought alone.. I think the keyboard will be with us for atleast the next 20years
artwel123 1 year ago
I'm glad to hear that because Not needing a belt or hand strap is advantage number 28 of gkos. I gave up predictive texting because after years of use it still could not predict what I was going to say. I now use mini qwerty on cell phones but wait for a gkos app for my iPhone because of my large thumbs. - Maybe I will get hold of a brain implant kit as well and do some experiments. - I think we will need some kind of keyboards until the humankind degenerates, regenerates or fades away.
tiainse1 1 year ago
People like to be able to type with 1 or 2 hands, even 1 finger. Some people may not have a full set of fingers!
to me the only thing that came close to rivaling the keyboard is phone keypad typing with predictive txt
My idea of a wrist strap that recognises finger movements is another poor idea.
Brain implants has got to be the future for replacing keyboards, being able to control cursor and typing by thought alone.. I think the keyboard will be with us for atleast the next 20years
artwel123 1 year ago
maybe this gadget works for you but this kind of thing wont catch on.
as much as I would like to see something replace a keyboard, I can't see it happening soon. The only improvement to the current keyboard is to rearrange the letters (non-qwerty) but nobody would want to 're-learn' how to type.
artwel123 1 year ago
Yes, you are right. There's already the Dvorak rearrangement of keys from 1930s, but it has not been able to replace qwerty e.g. because any new and better layout would only be optimised for a limited set of languages, maybe for one only. That would be a nightmare to manufacturers, not an improvement - also to users waiting for ages to get their native hw version of a new product.
tiainse1 1 year ago
problem is "after 9 years of use" this is how fast you can type,, not a good advert. My idea involves a wrist strap that recognises finger movements and translates them to type :D
artwel123 1 year ago
The video is almost 9 years old :) Uploaded it 3 years ago. See the laptop. My idea dates back to 1999 and I've been since preparing devices and test software for Windows, Linux, PIC, Arduino... not typing so much. I tested my gkos speed recently on sdf/jkl and it is around 50 wpm. Limit for these kind of chord keypads is maybe 60 wpm. You cannot achieve that typing on clumsy micro switches as on the demo. - Do you have a video showing your wrist strap idea in action? wpm?
tiainse1 1 year ago
Why the hell would you need this?...oh,I broke my keyboard when i was cooking fecies with my mom,That's why I'm gonna use this little remote control shit!...This product has that much sense as my last sentence...A total waste of precius money!
theRMSchannel 1 year ago
This is not a product for sale. Just experimenting what is possible with 6 or 3 keys.
tiainse1 1 year ago
бред, он этим устройством независимо клацает...
TheMycoolheart 1 year ago
главным образом страх перед публикой...
tiainse1 1 year ago
@TheMycoolheart , не бред, с таких клав всё начиналось. Почитай на сайте хреновина.нэт в статье про первую мышь.
Ysan777 1 year ago
impressive
lamzor2 1 year ago
its amusing
zerfsun 1 year ago
how much is this?
chisinchai 1 year ago
looks awesome, like a miniature remote player for my videos.
shossofe 1 year ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
some one behind u is using a wireless keyboard
attothegenius 2 years ago
Why do you think so? Just google 'gkos ir keyboard' to see how the device can be built.
tiainse1 2 years ago
Where can I get one of these?
Dronlothen 2 years ago
Looks like your fingers would hurt after a while.
360guy0 2 years ago 6
After 9 years of use, they don't.
tiainse1 2 years ago
0.0 cool cool cool cool cool cool!!!!!
bostjanjaksa 3 years ago
how do u buy one of those i couldnt find a place that sold them?
xxgriffmeysterxx 3 years ago
where can I get it? email me!
allanseeder 3 years ago
must buy one!!
fairyheli2 3 years ago
what can i sayd?
CooL
mugizz 4 years ago
Seriously i dont get it.Its cool but how the hell does this thing works?
style2ouf 4 years ago
it's a chorded keyboard, six keys means that if you hold one key down (like the shift key is a chord that changes 'a' to 'A') you can change the meaning of the remaining 5 keys, and those five keys can be used individually or with each other (key 1, key 1 &2, key 1&2&3, key 1&2&3&4, etc so with just 6 keys a chorded keyboard allows you to use any character on a normal keyboard (and often is programmable so that common sylables are also available (like in, to, ing, ed, th)
commandersprocket 3 years ago
that is really cool.
goldenleet 4 years ago
How would you compare this in learning curve to the "Twiddler" that came out some years ago?
pixelsfalldown 4 years ago
Hard to say because I have no experience on using Twiddler. Learning curves could be similar. With GKOS you only use 3 fingers (no pinkies) of each hand which could make it easier for 'non-pianists', and if you know how to type characters G, K, O, S and W (also serve as shifts) the rest of the letters come in alphabetical order. But I think the main difference is the physical size and what their target applications are. A bluetooth GKOS could be the same size as a small thin matchbox.
tiainse1 4 years ago
Binary?
umcheese 4 years ago
Not binary. Keys are A, B, C on the left and D, E, F on the right hand side. They change to other letters when you press a shift (combination) on the other side (=other hand). Simple as that.
tiainse1 4 years ago
You can see how it works at gkos dot net
tiainse1 4 years ago
what???? strange
emoers 4 years ago
how does that work i dont understand...
friedcrispy 4 years ago
cool
Ewoorg 4 years ago