you should not comment on what you are so very ignorant about that is a traditional set that they practice in hong kong do some research before shoot your mouth off
Sifu Lane comes from the Lam lineage, from Lam Cho to Bucksam Kong. Bucksam Kong incorporates more than just Hung Gar into his toolbelt. Sifu Lane knows much more than just Hung Gar and Choy Lay Fut. These videos are "play" compared to what you see in the kwoon and what he can do. He's won many trophies from all over the world.
My desire is to get my back fixed and go back to his class for exercise since I'm older and I don't think I could ever compete. It's just a great atmosphere!
i large menu is good for a swedish buffet, but fot for kungfu, sorry to say this and i apologize in advance, but it kinda looks like your boasting alittle to much, not even i would say that for all the forms i know
I've trained with Sifu Lane. He is remarkable and very strong. He used to use me for example in Chin Na lessons. The only question I ever had was if Hung Gar had an answer for BJJ, and the answer I received is "yes."
Regarding Warrior's Palm (Chin Cheung), in my Hung Gar curriculum, this is the fourth form we learn after Beng bu tanglangquan. At the end of the form, it does have the three mantis sweeps seen in this video, as well as the mantis double elbows. I always thought that the mantis part was kind of tacked on though.
The problem is that you have to train for a very long time to learn all the forms and different fighting styles (Chin Na for a Jiu-Jitsu-like fighting, Hung Gar for Muay Tai like fighting, Choy Lay Fut for long distance, etc.). For you all to sit and comment and not show why it's ineffective is very silly.
@Unrealxiaist IT means differences in forms are irrelevant because everyone shares the same ancestry and why critique the differences when the similarities are so prevalent?
@MetalheadMorales7 Differences in forms demonstrate the history of each branch of a style. It represents how different styles and lineages relate, how the people who used these styles are connected.
And I was not the one who was critiquing differences in style. I was just defending that such a form with the Mantis sweeps does exist. Why don't you try reading the entire comment thread instead of instigating a witch-hunt on me?
The only mantis that should be in Lam Family Hung Kuen is found in the Buhn Bu form. The only Jin Jeurng form that can be found to have these is in Eddie Lane's school
SvPam06... once you learn more sets you're going to realize that alot of the movements are similar or exactly the same, just choreagraphed in different ways. There are sections in Fu Hok that are also in 5 forms and ten forms, so it's not rare that choreographers take from previous sets to create their own.
Hmmm, I think I realized that many sets are similar, since they are based on the five animals, five elements, and twelve bridge hands. It's just that in the video it showed that one part, which was not enough for anyone to tell whether it was the tiger crane sparring set or intecepting fist, espeically if your sifu made up the intercepting fist.
I haven't learned every set yet, but for now, this is what I've learned, from Lam Sai Wing Lineage at least: Mui Fa, Lau ga, Gung gee, monkey staff, two man tiger crane, butterfly palm, Lau ga gwun, two man monkey staff, Fuhok seung ying, Pek Kwa broadsword, Ji-mo Butterfly Knives, and Butterfly Knives vs Spear. Don't assume that I don't know the obvious.
That is merely how it sounded in your post. I have also not learned every set as i've spent alot of time analyzing each one before moving on. This is how you come to understand kung fu or any type of martial art. I would say off the top of my head i know about 28 sets. mostly hung, but some choy li fut, some northern shaolin. It really doesn't matter how many sets you know, it's that you REALLY know them, understand them and can apply and adapt them.
You've also made assumptions about someone you don't know. What would you like me to enlighten you on? I've watched your video (obviously) and continue to comment about it. If you like, i can break it down in sections and try to explain to you where it's ineffective...
I made assumptions about Lane's video, and I stand corrected by timmis4u, because he told me that Lane was extra slow for instructional purposes, but you've made the assumption that I didn't know that understanding a form and how to apply it is the most important thing, and that's the only assumption that I referred to that you've made of me that you wouldn't have known.
Sometimes a form may look impractical to many, but if anyone can figure it out, then there would be no need for a Sifu to explain. I trust what my Sifu shows me, since he use to train police officers in Hong Kong with his Hung gar. I think we need to discuss this though e-mail or some other form of communication, cause our comments are no longer related to this video.
An d as far as his movement is concerned It is slowed down for the sake of instruction. If you look closely enough at his movements you can see the lack of cavitation. Each movement ends clearly. Which takes an amount of control that can only be gained over years of practice. When we practice our forms we pause between each movement to show clarity. I apologize for the confusion and hopes this helps answer your question.
Sorry about the wu dip i didn't read your comment correctly. The end of warrior palm is northern mantis techniques.There are two sets after all. My sifu knows a northern shaolin three section staff form as well as the hung form. Intercepting fist is a set he choreographed himself.
I always enjoy the pleasure of watching 3 section staff forms of hung gar, since I haven't been able to find much of it online, and althougth there was maybe less than 5 seconds of it here, it was enough to catch my attention. I was actually hoping to get an answer to my questions concerning the intercepting fist, and the warriors palm, but instead I got an fact that I already knew about butterfly palm. Hope to get an answer soon regarding my curioriosity.
I posted this video with my Sifu's permission, not his idea. He hadn't heard of youtube until I told him and I don't think he has been here yet. I can't answer your questions. I suggest you try to contact him directly via the info on the video.
Maybe it's because your sifu knows more or less 40 hung gar forms that he hasn't been able to master them all yet. Don't get me wrong, I'm impressed with some of the forms I see here, but just not that many. I already knew that Wudip is an athentic hung gar form, and I did not question it in my earlier comment, so I don't know what your trying to get at with your "straight up hung movements".
The original hung gar style centuries ago was really shot-handed as explained by Grandmaster Lau Kar Leung in a video uploaded a few days ago, but most modern day hung gar involves long range/hand attacks, but your sifu still shorthands many medium range movements. It's good to keep the elbows bent, to guard against possible chin na locks from opponents, but bending the elbows too much sacrifices distance and power.
Nothing personal about your sifu, but I've just seen better coming from other sifus over the past few years. Althought hung gar is slower then the many soft kung fu styles, it is strong, powerful (chi), and characterized by low stances. I just haven't seen enough power/chi coming from your sifus blows, and although Hung gar is slower than the usual, forms can be done smoother and less stiff than what I see here.
I think there are differences in the way our schools practice our gung-fu, but they are both very good. My sifu and I have the utmost respect and admiration. I would also agree that our movements are slower and less fluent, a curse of the white man we work every day to correct. for the way lau kar leung plays his. I just have to reiterate the fact that the video is not for demonstration but instruction. Where was his speach uploaded i would like to watch it, it sounds very informative.
Thank you for your generous reply timmyis4u. It's good to know that your sifu choreographed the intercepting fist himself, because I practice the tigr-crane sparring set at the club I train at, and the section of the intercepting fist demonstrated was identical to a part in the tiger-crane sparring set, so that pretty much stirred up my curiosity.
A lot of forms, but needs more training. The warriors palm looks a lot like Bong Bo Tong Long Kuen, and the intercepting fist looks more like the tiger crane sparring form, which was also demonstrated in the video, and are there two different three-section-staff forms?
what do you mean needs more training? All the movements in wu dip are straight up hung movements. There are not two three section staff forms, two different clips were spliced in on accident.
you should not comment on what you are so very ignorant about that is a traditional set that they practice in hong kong do some research before shoot your mouth off
Larrystigerpalm 10 months ago
wow, pretty sweet dance moves dude.
NoTeefa 2 years ago
great from Italy
markohu 3 years ago
great kung fu, and like the last name,(lane)
that make good kung fu, lolol,
SifuPat 4 years ago
I hate 500 word limits!
Bhaltair 4 years ago
Sifu Lane comes from the Lam lineage, from Lam Cho to Bucksam Kong. Bucksam Kong incorporates more than just Hung Gar into his toolbelt. Sifu Lane knows much more than just Hung Gar and Choy Lay Fut. These videos are "play" compared to what you see in the kwoon and what he can do. He's won many trophies from all over the world.
My desire is to get my back fixed and go back to his class for exercise since I'm older and I don't think I could ever compete. It's just a great atmosphere!
Bhaltair 4 years ago
i large menu is good for a swedish buffet, but fot for kungfu, sorry to say this and i apologize in advance, but it kinda looks like your boasting alittle to much, not even i would say that for all the forms i know
blueovan 4 years ago
I've trained with Sifu Lane. He is remarkable and very strong. He used to use me for example in Chin Na lessons. The only question I ever had was if Hung Gar had an answer for BJJ, and the answer I received is "yes."
ASKMBPP 4 years ago
Regarding Warrior's Palm (Chin Cheung), in my Hung Gar curriculum, this is the fourth form we learn after Beng bu tanglangquan. At the end of the form, it does have the three mantis sweeps seen in this video, as well as the mantis double elbows. I always thought that the mantis part was kind of tacked on though.
Unrealxiaist 4 years ago
The problem is that you have to train for a very long time to learn all the forms and different fighting styles (Chin Na for a Jiu-Jitsu-like fighting, Hung Gar for Muay Tai like fighting, Choy Lay Fut for long distance, etc.). For you all to sit and comment and not show why it's ineffective is very silly.
ASKMBPP 4 years ago
Did you reply to the wrong person? I was just re-affirming to the person above that the mantis sweeps do exist in a Hung Gar form.
Unrealxiaist 4 years ago
In Lam Family Hung Kuen, the mantis hand only exists in the Bung Bo form. The Jin Jeurng form only has these hands in Eddie Lane's school.
MrThirdBrother 2 years ago
That's not true. My lineage (Calvin Chin's) has it too. Calvin Chin's lineage is only connected to Eddie Lane's through Lam Jo and Lam Chun Fai.
Unrealxiaist 2 years ago
Interesting. Knowing that Eddie Lane likes videos, I would assume that he got it from a video of someone from your lineage then.
MrThirdBrother 1 year ago
@Unrealxiaist All Hung Kyun Branches are One Family
MetalheadMorales7 1 year ago
@MetalheadMorales7 That doesn't mean anything. That's like saying that math in the exact same way.
Unrealxiaist 1 year ago
@Unrealxiaist IT means differences in forms are irrelevant because everyone shares the same ancestry and why critique the differences when the similarities are so prevalent?
MetalheadMorales7 1 year ago
@MetalheadMorales7 Differences in forms demonstrate the history of each branch of a style. It represents how different styles and lineages relate, how the people who used these styles are connected.
And I was not the one who was critiquing differences in style. I was just defending that such a form with the Mantis sweeps does exist. Why don't you try reading the entire comment thread instead of instigating a witch-hunt on me?
Unrealxiaist 1 year ago
The only mantis that should be in Lam Family Hung Kuen is found in the Buhn Bu form. The only Jin Jeurng form that can be found to have these is in Eddie Lane's school
MrThirdBrother 2 years ago
SvPam06... once you learn more sets you're going to realize that alot of the movements are similar or exactly the same, just choreagraphed in different ways. There are sections in Fu Hok that are also in 5 forms and ten forms, so it's not rare that choreographers take from previous sets to create their own.
interglossa 5 years ago
Hmmm, I think I realized that many sets are similar, since they are based on the five animals, five elements, and twelve bridge hands. It's just that in the video it showed that one part, which was not enough for anyone to tell whether it was the tiger crane sparring set or intecepting fist, espeically if your sifu made up the intercepting fist.
SvPam06 5 years ago
I haven't learned every set yet, but for now, this is what I've learned, from Lam Sai Wing Lineage at least: Mui Fa, Lau ga, Gung gee, monkey staff, two man tiger crane, butterfly palm, Lau ga gwun, two man monkey staff, Fuhok seung ying, Pek Kwa broadsword, Ji-mo Butterfly Knives, and Butterfly Knives vs Spear. Don't assume that I don't know the obvious.
SvPam06 5 years ago
That is merely how it sounded in your post. I have also not learned every set as i've spent alot of time analyzing each one before moving on. This is how you come to understand kung fu or any type of martial art. I would say off the top of my head i know about 28 sets. mostly hung, but some choy li fut, some northern shaolin. It really doesn't matter how many sets you know, it's that you REALLY know them, understand them and can apply and adapt them.
interglossa 5 years ago
Once again you've stated the obvious and made assumptions about someone you don't know. Try to enlighten me next time.
SvPam06 5 years ago
You've also made assumptions about someone you don't know. What would you like me to enlighten you on? I've watched your video (obviously) and continue to comment about it. If you like, i can break it down in sections and try to explain to you where it's ineffective...
interglossa 5 years ago
I made assumptions about Lane's video, and I stand corrected by timmis4u, because he told me that Lane was extra slow for instructional purposes, but you've made the assumption that I didn't know that understanding a form and how to apply it is the most important thing, and that's the only assumption that I referred to that you've made of me that you wouldn't have known.
SvPam06 5 years ago
Sometimes a form may look impractical to many, but if anyone can figure it out, then there would be no need for a Sifu to explain. I trust what my Sifu shows me, since he use to train police officers in Hong Kong with his Hung gar. I think we need to discuss this though e-mail or some other form of communication, cause our comments are no longer related to this video.
SvPam06 5 years ago
An d as far as his movement is concerned It is slowed down for the sake of instruction. If you look closely enough at his movements you can see the lack of cavitation. Each movement ends clearly. Which takes an amount of control that can only be gained over years of practice. When we practice our forms we pause between each movement to show clarity. I apologize for the confusion and hopes this helps answer your question.
timmyis4u 5 years ago
Sorry about the wu dip i didn't read your comment correctly. The end of warrior palm is northern mantis techniques.There are two sets after all. My sifu knows a northern shaolin three section staff form as well as the hung form. Intercepting fist is a set he choreographed himself.
timmyis4u 5 years ago
I always enjoy the pleasure of watching 3 section staff forms of hung gar, since I haven't been able to find much of it online, and althougth there was maybe less than 5 seconds of it here, it was enough to catch my attention. I was actually hoping to get an answer to my questions concerning the intercepting fist, and the warriors palm, but instead I got an fact that I already knew about butterfly palm. Hope to get an answer soon regarding my curioriosity.
SvPam06 5 years ago
I posted this video with my Sifu's permission, not his idea. He hadn't heard of youtube until I told him and I don't think he has been here yet. I can't answer your questions. I suggest you try to contact him directly via the info on the video.
MrCousteau 5 years ago
Maybe it's because your sifu knows more or less 40 hung gar forms that he hasn't been able to master them all yet. Don't get me wrong, I'm impressed with some of the forms I see here, but just not that many. I already knew that Wudip is an athentic hung gar form, and I did not question it in my earlier comment, so I don't know what your trying to get at with your "straight up hung movements".
SvPam06 5 years ago
The original hung gar style centuries ago was really shot-handed as explained by Grandmaster Lau Kar Leung in a video uploaded a few days ago, but most modern day hung gar involves long range/hand attacks, but your sifu still shorthands many medium range movements. It's good to keep the elbows bent, to guard against possible chin na locks from opponents, but bending the elbows too much sacrifices distance and power.
SvPam06 5 years ago
Nothing personal about your sifu, but I've just seen better coming from other sifus over the past few years. Althought hung gar is slower then the many soft kung fu styles, it is strong, powerful (chi), and characterized by low stances. I just haven't seen enough power/chi coming from your sifus blows, and although Hung gar is slower than the usual, forms can be done smoother and less stiff than what I see here.
SvPam06 5 years ago
I think there are differences in the way our schools practice our gung-fu, but they are both very good. My sifu and I have the utmost respect and admiration. I would also agree that our movements are slower and less fluent, a curse of the white man we work every day to correct. for the way lau kar leung plays his. I just have to reiterate the fact that the video is not for demonstration but instruction. Where was his speach uploaded i would like to watch it, it sounds very informative.
timmyis4u 5 years ago
Thank you for your generous reply timmyis4u. It's good to know that your sifu choreographed the intercepting fist himself, because I practice the tigr-crane sparring set at the club I train at, and the section of the intercepting fist demonstrated was identical to a part in the tiger-crane sparring set, so that pretty much stirred up my curiosity.
SvPam06 5 years ago
That is my sifu and my sihing hung tran
timmyis4u 5 years ago
A lot of forms, but needs more training. The warriors palm looks a lot like Bong Bo Tong Long Kuen, and the intercepting fist looks more like the tiger crane sparring form, which was also demonstrated in the video, and are there two different three-section-staff forms?
SvPam06 5 years ago
what do you mean needs more training? All the movements in wu dip are straight up hung movements. There are not two three section staff forms, two different clips were spliced in on accident.
timmyis4u 5 years ago