This song has held steady in my R.E.M. top ten for, what, 25 years now? Quite an achievement, considering the body of work, which still had its moments even after Bill Berry left.
REM officially broke up Wednesday this past week. this is definitely my all time favorite REM song. Saw them play this live in a downpour in Pittsburgh about 5-6 years ago.
SidTucker, give a listen to "Leave" from New Adventures in Hi-Fi. It's so good it gives me chills. I have to admit, though, that REM lost a lot of its magic for me when Bill Berry left.
@SidTucker you say you stopped listening after "What's The Frequency Kenneth." Well I say you've missed out on a lot of fantastic music after the superb IT'S years!
Says who, Time or the band? What monument are they talking about. Who gathered up the courageous? Cogs, grunts, greens, and hirelings. Athens? Explain what this means then. Who's numbering the monkeys? Explain to me Jbone85. Time magazine doing a piece on bands in Athens lol. You don't get the joke do you.
gads - r.e.m were never "new-wavish" my theory is the fans that dig the warners bros stuff are younger than I - all I can say is that, you shoulda been there during the irs years cuz they were this scrappy, rough around the edges band w/ so much energy and every song had a personality of their own.
The stampede at the monument means the flooding of immigrants into America. Championed by their heron (hero) the united 14th amendment holy roman empire. They gathered up monkey's and put them to work in sweat shops, built railroads like no one had ever seen before dug up the earth for minerals and oil and metals and coal who did the labor the monkey's and when their feeding time has come and gone the cogs and grunts and heirlings will go home with knowing how racist we are. Everyone allowed?
@kirksbrega11 ....you're very wrong..............Time magazine was doing a piece on bands in Athens Ga at thee time and thats what this song is about.
Excellent song!!! I also disagree with the view that R.E.M. "sold out". I don't deny there have been some songs and moments that weren't so great, but Green, a fun record, through Up is a solid run (Automatic for the People and New Adventures in Hi-Fi rank with my favorites from the IRS era), and they seem to have gotten their mojo back with 2008's rocking Accelerate. Let's hope their new one, due out next year, has the same kind of energy as Accelerate! Fantastic band!
*sigh* The last great album before that dreaded Warner sell-out. Devoted fans like us would soon be watching Stipe singing "Shiny Happy People" with The Muppet's. One of the most painful sell-outs, EVER. I hope you guys are enjoying the money....
What happened to them after this record??? After the I.R.S. years??? They lost this emotion, this edge, this timeless sound. Chronic Town through Document is a timeline of masterpieces.
Michael Stipe wrote this song about the time when Time magazine did an article on the Athens music scene and all these opportunist wannabe musicians rushed to the town center to get their picture taken and score a name drop for the article just so they could make get their foot in the door of fame. If you listen to the lyrics, it makes total sense i.e. "cogs and grunts and hirelings" and "when feeding time has come and gone, they lose the heart and head for home". Good song, awesome band!
the best american band of all time (apart from the beach boys and velvets) but how did they function without a rhythm guitarist...buck played both parts in the studio - but surely they should have employed a fulltime fifth member for live and backing vocal duties? just a thought...my favourite album of theirs is probably reckoning - simply gorgeous.
@uclrichard Mike Mills carried the backing vocals live (still does?). I have seen a second guitarist on some of R.E.M.'s television appearances but I'm not sure if it was ever a lineup they took on tour. I think a lot of fans like a bare bones, stripped down lineup for live work. Zeppelin did the same thing; Jimmy Page had many overdubs creating sonic textures for the albums and live he just found a way to strip the songs down to their essential rawness. Perhaps Buck enjoys the same challenge.
My favorite R.E.M. record. I bought it in 92 when I was 11 years old and it's still one of my favorite albums of alltime. I still love R.E.M. even though the only 2 albums following the IRS years that I really listen to are 'Automatic for the People' and 'Reveal'. Still I always think they are due for their next masterpiece...
I haven't thought of this album for 20 years. It brings me back. I'm glad you posted the lyrics. As it was true for the resistance then, it is true to the resistance now.
Same here. I got this album when it came out my senior year in high school and forgot about it when I went to college. Just remembered it like three months ago. Been stuck on Life's Rich and Dead Letter Office. I love this song.
If I picked just one song from Document I'd probably pick this one. Some things that stand out are the (relatively) rare guitar solo at 1.44 , the lovely backing vocals that say 'and head for home' at 2.48 and 'Everyone allowed' sounds good too.
Michael Stipe wrote this as a contemporary response to George Orwell's book,' Animal Farm', so it is additionally poignant that not only this song has staying power, but also the book. Love it.
Imagery and metaphorical prose always has staying power due to it's 'vagueness', just ask Shakespeare, Dylan, Brautigan, etc. You sound a little bitter, (ha)
i.e 'the green and simple', 'try to tell us something we dont know.' The whole thing tries to explain hoe revolutions fail. The reaoning is that as a long as the people with power hold a segregatory view. Acceptance of change and therefore change itself is impossible.
Its loosely tied to animal farm. The animal references do hint at the have nots within a communist revolution. However the song is more of a 'documentation' of a paricular event within a revolution. The narrator of the song is the upper class elite, giving an interpretation of the revoultion and a particular event. The opinion of the elite comes across as patronizing, diminutive and superior
This song has held steady in my R.E.M. top ten for, what, 25 years now? Quite an achievement, considering the body of work, which still had its moments even after Bill Berry left.
travisnealtodd70 2 weeks ago
best song off of Document, hands down
TrevorTime24 1 month ago
REM officially broke up Wednesday this past week. this is definitely my all time favorite REM song. Saw them play this live in a downpour in Pittsburgh about 5-6 years ago.
theqman1956 4 months ago
This one if in my top 20 of REM, Love this song!!
wowbobwow37 2 months ago
probably my favorite REM song. One of the greatest hooks in the world.
Yehudittx 4 months ago
Thanks for the tunes REM. Made life a lot better
TheWheels777 4 months ago
Dang, I think they heard me!
BaronOGreymatter 4 months ago
SidTucker, give a listen to "Leave" from New Adventures in Hi-Fi. It's so good it gives me chills. I have to admit, though, that REM lost a lot of its magic for me when Bill Berry left.
BaronOGreymatter 4 months ago
lifes rich pageant, "great memories.............
mrbretty5 5 months ago
please post any videos per-Mumur....
mrbretty5 5 months ago
Document is my favorite REM album. It is the most melodic, imho.
SomethingReal1119 6 months ago 2
I meant IRS years lol
KJS80s 8 months ago
@SidTucker you say you stopped listening after "What's The Frequency Kenneth." Well I say you've missed out on a lot of fantastic music after the superb IT'S years!
KJS80s 8 months ago
Says who, Time or the band? What monument are they talking about. Who gathered up the courageous? Cogs, grunts, greens, and hirelings. Athens? Explain what this means then. Who's numbering the monkeys? Explain to me Jbone85. Time magazine doing a piece on bands in Athens lol. You don't get the joke do you.
kirksbrega11 9 months ago
If you were in college in the 80's you listened to REM
zwartepiet412 9 months ago
"Document" and "Green" are the REM I loved. After "Whats the frequency, Kenneth" I stopped listening.
SidTucker 9 months ago
gads - r.e.m were never "new-wavish" my theory is the fans that dig the warners bros stuff are younger than I - all I can say is that, you shoulda been there during the irs years cuz they were this scrappy, rough around the edges band w/ so much energy and every song had a personality of their own.
excoc 10 months ago 2
This was the garage band at the after hours get together during the Classic city Championships skateboard contest-1977,Athens,Ga.
Htos1 1 year ago
Any time you've got a line saying, "The monkeys and the monkeys", you know you've got some talent
Teamawesome4 1 year ago 2
This is my favourite song on Document.
TheLittleginnie 1 year ago
This is my favourite song on Document.
TheLittleginnie 1 year ago
@TheLittleginnie ... yeah, good
Detroit1967 9 months ago
The stampede at the monument means the flooding of immigrants into America. Championed by their heron (hero) the united 14th amendment holy roman empire. They gathered up monkey's and put them to work in sweat shops, built railroads like no one had ever seen before dug up the earth for minerals and oil and metals and coal who did the labor the monkey's and when their feeding time has come and gone the cogs and grunts and heirlings will go home with knowing how racist we are. Everyone allowed?
kirksbrega11 1 year ago
@kirksbrega11 ....you're very wrong..............Time magazine was doing a piece on bands in Athens Ga at thee time and thats what this song is about.
Jbone85 9 months ago
damn it is not easy to get this good in music.
codern 1 year ago
This album was (is) amazing.
Jbone85 1 year ago
it's hard to find a video with this many views and 0 dislikes. and rightfully so.
iwishiwas88 1 year ago
Excellent song!!! I also disagree with the view that R.E.M. "sold out". I don't deny there have been some songs and moments that weren't so great, but Green, a fun record, through Up is a solid run (Automatic for the People and New Adventures in Hi-Fi rank with my favorites from the IRS era), and they seem to have gotten their mojo back with 2008's rocking Accelerate. Let's hope their new one, due out next year, has the same kind of energy as Accelerate! Fantastic band!
TheEnzodriver 1 year ago
*sigh* The last great album before that dreaded Warner sell-out. Devoted fans like us would soon be watching Stipe singing "Shiny Happy People" with The Muppet's. One of the most painful sell-outs, EVER. I hope you guys are enjoying the money....
JoshuaTaylor 1 year ago
@JoshuaTaylor they had a fortune when they were with IRS to be fair, they sold millions as a 'cult' band
portstewartsam 1 year ago
This is were they got me hooked.......I miss the 80s
ltdann86 1 year ago
What happened to them after this record??? After the I.R.S. years??? They lost this emotion, this edge, this timeless sound. Chronic Town through Document is a timeline of masterpieces.
ultramegaunknown 1 year ago
@ultramegaunknown Their four best albums, listed chronologically, are:
1. Murmur
2. Document
3. Green
4. Automatic for the People
To be honest, Murmur wasn't exactly their best. I was never a fan of that very early, sort of new-wave-ish stuff.
TheCreepsAreAlright 1 year ago
@TheCreepsAreAlright Hey I agree with you!!
TheLittleginnie 1 year ago
@TheCreepsAreAlright—I agree with you. Their early work is amazing! Compare it to their new stuff and it's just hands down. I miss that old sound!
dogloverNV 11 months ago 2
@TheCreepsAreAlright I take it you never heard "Lifes Rich Pageant"???
eric1012wi 10 months ago 2
49 likes & 0 dislikes? well here comes number 50 folks
noamshouseparty 1 year ago 4
Michael Stipe wrote this song about the time when Time magazine did an article on the Athens music scene and all these opportunist wannabe musicians rushed to the town center to get their picture taken and score a name drop for the article just so they could make get their foot in the door of fame. If you listen to the lyrics, it makes total sense i.e. "cogs and grunts and hirelings" and "when feeding time has come and gone, they lose the heart and head for home". Good song, awesome band!
mozfan2792 1 year ago 7
IRS REM > Warner REM > Everything Else
RockBottomRiser21 1 year ago 2
The call came in to party central
klausegeist 1 year ago 2
there's no other like REM
eli9594 1 year ago 5
the best american band of all time (apart from the beach boys and velvets) but how did they function without a rhythm guitarist...buck played both parts in the studio - but surely they should have employed a fulltime fifth member for live and backing vocal duties? just a thought...my favourite album of theirs is probably reckoning - simply gorgeous.
uclrichard 1 year ago
@uclrichard Peter Holsapple from the DB's always toured with them to provide rhythm guitar and keys.
SnoopytheBandit 1 year ago
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@uclrichard @uclrichard Peter Holsapple from the DB's always toured with them to provide rhythm guitar and keys.
SnoopytheBandit 1 year ago
@uclrichard Mike Mills carried the backing vocals live (still does?). I have seen a second guitarist on some of R.E.M.'s television appearances but I'm not sure if it was ever a lineup they took on tour. I think a lot of fans like a bare bones, stripped down lineup for live work. Zeppelin did the same thing; Jimmy Page had many overdubs creating sonic textures for the albums and live he just found a way to strip the songs down to their essential rawness. Perhaps Buck enjoys the same challenge.
HankLafayette 1 year ago
when feeding time has come and gone, they'll lose their hearts and head for home, try to tell us something we dont know
kakashi76767 1 year ago
REM > U2
santanaincubus 1 year ago 5
perfect
ivorbigonee 1 year ago
this song is a call to anarchy...
first heard it when i was in the army in the 80's and trying to woo a young nurse...
had no clue what it was about then, just knew i liked it..
artists always lead the revolutions
mouser98k 1 year ago
@mouser98k good post
uclrichard 1 year ago
My favorite R.E.M. record. I bought it in 92 when I was 11 years old and it's still one of my favorite albums of alltime. I still love R.E.M. even though the only 2 albums following the IRS years that I really listen to are 'Automatic for the People' and 'Reveal'. Still I always think they are due for their next masterpiece...
Mozzer232 2 years ago
Yp...lie #2 on my all time list
pitchfork1972 2 years ago
I haven't thought of this album for 20 years. It brings me back. I'm glad you posted the lyrics. As it was true for the resistance then, it is true to the resistance now.
Moveontonumber2 2 years ago
Same here. I got this album when it came out my senior year in high school and forgot about it when I went to college. Just remembered it like three months ago. Been stuck on Life's Rich and Dead Letter Office. I love this song.
jeffreyhsykes 2 years ago
REM still ass relevant as ever.I'm glad I grew up to their music and still they wake my senses.
funkydafunker 2 years ago 3
Greatest group of all time.
MJJ1Redd 2 years ago 27
one of the greatest American groups of all time. Brits had some good ones..
txeire 2 years ago
Yay lyrical thoughts matter and so do you.
sheckybish 2 years ago
If I picked just one song from Document I'd probably pick this one. Some things that stand out are the (relatively) rare guitar solo at 1.44 , the lovely backing vocals that say 'and head for home' at 2.48 and 'Everyone allowed' sounds good too.
Picnicl 2 years ago
Couldn't agree more. Sounds as good as it did back then.
caudillo1 2 years ago
funny how this song was written more than 20 years ago but perfectly represents the contemporary society.
badass0cinematic 2 years ago 2
Michael Stipe wrote this as a contemporary response to George Orwell's book,' Animal Farm', so it is additionally poignant that not only this song has staying power, but also the book. Love it.
deweypug 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
it's so vague it will be 'true' a hundred years from now. Nice try at using this worn-out cliche, though ;-)
REMmnant 2 years ago
Imagery and metaphorical prose always has staying power due to it's 'vagueness', just ask Shakespeare, Dylan, Brautigan, etc. You sound a little bitter, (ha)
deweypug 2 years ago 3
a little? (HA!) ;D nah just slightly cynical actually :P
REMmnant 2 years ago
Yeah, I guess without a little cynicism, we would have gained very little ground... Cheers.
deweypug 2 years ago 2
MY FAVOURITE IN "DOCUMENT"! One of the greatest albums from the greatest band ever!
AlbinusMakedonion 2 years ago 4
Document is still my fav REM record.
Issicra 2 years ago 2
one of the best!
sogood53 2 years ago
favourite rem song! a true classic
greghammond2 2 years ago
followers of choas i think someone said that
danbit5 2 years ago
you people are my friends, and we haven't even met, yet
wellspout 2 years ago 2
i gotta dig this out again and stick it in the car! great album...great song. seriously ahead of its time...not gonna hear music like this again
rossboss1 3 years ago 25
document must have been a december driving tape my sister just started driving and i remember listning to it and seeing empire of the sun
black1582 3 years ago
if the men with the power cant keep it under control.
Some heads are gonna roll!!!
johnnecron 3 years ago
i.e 'the green and simple', 'try to tell us something we dont know.' The whole thing tries to explain hoe revolutions fail. The reaoning is that as a long as the people with power hold a segregatory view. Acceptance of change and therefore change itself is impossible.
ratstarspace 3 years ago
Its loosely tied to animal farm. The animal references do hint at the have nots within a communist revolution. However the song is more of a 'documentation' of a paricular event within a revolution. The narrator of the song is the upper class elite, giving an interpretation of the revoultion and a particular event. The opinion of the elite comes across as patronizing, diminutive and superior
ratstarspace 3 years ago
as good at it gets - (at least almost as good as it got in the 80s. only the smiths could better this classic, and that's debatable)...
uclrichard 3 years ago 4
Great song
simonturner73 3 years ago
"The followers of chaos out of control"
All of the lyrics on this album are genius; simply brilliant.
misszooniverse 3 years ago 2
A guitar solo (1:45-1:59) out of Buck's guitar?? Mindblowingly rare! Great song.
Chr0nict0wn 3 years ago 4
a great,great song from a simply great album.
lizardale 3 years ago 3
I remember listening to this while driving through Kansas in December. It never sounded better.
GinAndChess 3 years ago
never been to kansas (but would love to) and this reminds me of being there as well
geejeek 3 years ago
Michael Stipe's take on George Orwell's Animal farm.
deffdumb 3 years ago
The cages and courageous...
deweypug 3 years ago