Socialized medicine usually ends up costing the economy more than private medicine and also does LESS for the people in the economy. For instance here in Onatario if the goverment simply distributed all of the revenues they steal from us and gave it back, equally to each person in ontario it would be 6000+ dollars per year, PER PERSON. That's more than enough to buy an EXCELLENT insurance coverage in the states if not the best. Not only that but our system is far worse than yours.
Been to a VA lately? This is idiotic. If military took over health care syringes would cost $1,000. Our military is very inefficient and needs to be more fully scrutinized. Caring for the uninsured is a major reason why hospitals raise their prices to cover the uncollectible costs of this care. I know many people that could afford insurance but choose not to have it. They get sick then we all share the cost.
what about letting people by out of state health insurance? Let them compete for your business. Right now there's maybe 1 or 2 in each state. If all of them had to compete against each other lots more people could afford health care.
Universal health care IS NOT the way to go. Talk to anyone from Canada, (people like me), who don't have a doctor under socialized medicine because it JUST DOESN'T WORK! If I go to the emergency room I have a very good chance of dying while waiting. PRIVATIZE
Thank you I wish more people would comment instead of just walking by. I don't want people to be forced to buy health insurance like auto insurance. Because then you would be at the mercy of corporate giants because you have no choice.
you'd rather force the people who are the most productive members of society to pay for everyone else because that's more just?
Plus, how do you have no choice? In the canadian system everyone is forced to pay for the insurance. In America you have the freedom NOT to pay for it. When you vote for universal healthcare you vote for the government to take freedom from you and your neighbours. You say "you can't make this decision, the government must do it for you."
You also say, "The doctors aren't allowed to set their own prices, the government has to do it for them." All of this combines to make for a much less technologically advanced system. Most of the people without healthcare don't have it not because its unaffordable, but because they value something else over it. Who are you to say what and where they should spend their money?
In Ontario's socialist system there are 13 million people. over 1 million of those people are without a doctor. Is this what you want for your whole country? We constantly have people who die in the waiting rooms at the ER or simply die waiting for cancer treatments. A friend of my friend just died of Prostate cancer because he couldn't get the scan on time. Thanks socialism. Thanks universal healthcare. We can't buy the service if we even had the money. Count yourselves lucky...
What have you got against poor Mr. Hanks? I'm sure everyone would agree when I say that he"s much more articulate and a hell of a lot better looking than I am.
I'm always up for serious debate though, so here's my 50c: the problem obviously isn't the US state-budget, but the level of priority health problems are getting. For instance the US is pumping billions into the war or terror, while neglecting very basic problems concerning infrastructure maintenance, healthcare and education. All of these problems could be overcome with proper funding and creativity. So all things considering, I think your suggestions aren't bad at all and it might well work.
However as a European I'd like to offer some outsider's perspective into these problems. I'd have to say that the reason why these problems aren't being solved, is more because of American culture and tradition then a lack of means. We all know that America values hard work, competitive drive and above all...freedom. But this urge to keep America "free" often translates into a minimum of goverment control, which in term manifests in massive privatization.
However we all know that a corporation doesn't take interest in social issues. It only takes interest in it's profits. As a result, there is a tendency to ignore such problems. After all, the rich and succesfull won't suffer under a privatized health care sector, the poor on the other hand will.
It's the exact opposite of what you'd find in a liberal or social democratic nation, where people there's a strong tendancy to shield the weak. It's though to explain if you haven't experienced the differences first hand, but I'm positive that there are little real obstacles in solving these problems, other then a lack of commitment.
Funny you should put it that way More wars have been fought by us because of that. Don't you guys get it? Iraq's oil goes to Europe not here. And we spend more than anyone's country to help the less fortunate and those in need. Yet we are called the great satan, maybe we should spend more at home and let everyone-else pick up the slack. I for one am tired of it.
Which is why I don't want mandatory health insurance like we have for auto insurance. They would stick it to us like you couldn't believe. B.O.H.I.C.A. would be their slogan..... Bend over here it comes again.
From a perspective of a United States citizen we have seen what happens in Europe when a political party or personality gains control of a country and it scares the hell out of us. Napoleon,Mussolini,Stalin,Hitler,I think that I personally would like even less interference than we have now. At-least when it comes to personal freedoms.
I get your point. However, the oil-trade is per definition profitable to the US, because the dollar is the standard valuta for oil. Whoever buys oil, has to buy dollars first. Then there's peak-oil... Regional control of the middle east is vital to secure future supplies and the US is still one of the biggest oil consumers in the world. Ever wondered why Isreal is sacred to the US government? Well, there's your answer...
As for government control, I think fear off government oppression is easy to justify. However, brutalities like those committed by communist regimes, aren't limited to governments. Before we had oppressive governments we had oppressive religion and before that oppressive monarchies. Crimes against humanity are a result of uncontrolled power, not government control. Truth of this can be found in known succesfull forms of government.
Ironically, in the last few decades corporations have increasingly been found guilty of simular crimes. Crimes that exist through the uncontrolled amount of freedom given to corporations and through the mondial market. Increased government control could actually help to prevent these acts.
Goverment control of society's basic functions that is... Because, there's still the matter of current US government control. Since the Bush administration took to the office, US citizens have been subjected to laws that further limit privacy in the US. The term 'freedom' ussually seems to apply to business.
Socialized medicine usually ends up costing the economy more than private medicine and also does LESS for the people in the economy. For instance here in Onatario if the goverment simply distributed all of the revenues they steal from us and gave it back, equally to each person in ontario it would be 6000+ dollars per year, PER PERSON. That's more than enough to buy an EXCELLENT insurance coverage in the states if not the best. Not only that but our system is far worse than yours.
ChristofTheDestroyer 3 years ago
Been to a VA lately? This is idiotic. If military took over health care syringes would cost $1,000. Our military is very inefficient and needs to be more fully scrutinized. Caring for the uninsured is a major reason why hospitals raise their prices to cover the uncollectible costs of this care. I know many people that could afford insurance but choose not to have it. They get sick then we all share the cost.
zaurakdigis 3 years ago
Excellent point how would you do it without giving the insurance companies cart blanche on what we would have to pay?
smart12day 3 years ago
what about letting people by out of state health insurance? Let them compete for your business. Right now there's maybe 1 or 2 in each state. If all of them had to compete against each other lots more people could afford health care.
Universal health care IS NOT the way to go. Talk to anyone from Canada, (people like me), who don't have a doctor under socialized medicine because it JUST DOESN'T WORK! If I go to the emergency room I have a very good chance of dying while waiting. PRIVATIZE
ChristofTheDestroyer 3 years ago
Thank you I wish more people would comment instead of just walking by. I don't want people to be forced to buy health insurance like auto insurance. Because then you would be at the mercy of corporate giants because you have no choice.
smart12day 3 years ago
you'd rather force the people who are the most productive members of society to pay for everyone else because that's more just?
Plus, how do you have no choice? In the canadian system everyone is forced to pay for the insurance. In America you have the freedom NOT to pay for it. When you vote for universal healthcare you vote for the government to take freedom from you and your neighbours. You say "you can't make this decision, the government must do it for you."
ChristofTheDestroyer 3 years ago
You also say, "The doctors aren't allowed to set their own prices, the government has to do it for them." All of this combines to make for a much less technologically advanced system. Most of the people without healthcare don't have it not because its unaffordable, but because they value something else over it. Who are you to say what and where they should spend their money?
ChristofTheDestroyer 3 years ago
In Ontario's socialist system there are 13 million people. over 1 million of those people are without a doctor. Is this what you want for your whole country? We constantly have people who die in the waiting rooms at the ER or simply die waiting for cancer treatments. A friend of my friend just died of Prostate cancer because he couldn't get the scan on time. Thanks socialism. Thanks universal healthcare. We can't buy the service if we even had the money. Count yourselves lucky...
ChristofTheDestroyer 3 years ago
For a second there I thought you were Tom Hanks :P
MrMeter 3 years ago
What have you got against poor Mr. Hanks? I'm sure everyone would agree when I say that he"s much more articulate and a hell of a lot better looking than I am.
smart12day 3 years ago
Only one way to find out...do the Wilson-scene! :P
MrMeter 3 years ago
The Wilson scene? I think not.
smart12day 3 years ago
plz? :(
MrMeter 3 years ago
Not a chance I'm not that good. So do you have a comment or do just wish to take up space.
smart12day 3 years ago
Relax...I'm only janking your chain :) Besides youtube isn't a proper forum for serious intellectual debate.
MrMeter 3 years ago
I'm always up for serious debate though, so here's my 50c: the problem obviously isn't the US state-budget, but the level of priority health problems are getting. For instance the US is pumping billions into the war or terror, while neglecting very basic problems concerning infrastructure maintenance, healthcare and education. All of these problems could be overcome with proper funding and creativity. So all things considering, I think your suggestions aren't bad at all and it might well work.
MrMeter 3 years ago
However as a European I'd like to offer some outsider's perspective into these problems. I'd have to say that the reason why these problems aren't being solved, is more because of American culture and tradition then a lack of means. We all know that America values hard work, competitive drive and above all...freedom. But this urge to keep America "free" often translates into a minimum of goverment control, which in term manifests in massive privatization.
MrMeter 3 years ago
However we all know that a corporation doesn't take interest in social issues. It only takes interest in it's profits. As a result, there is a tendency to ignore such problems. After all, the rich and succesfull won't suffer under a privatized health care sector, the poor on the other hand will.
MrMeter 3 years ago
It's the exact opposite of what you'd find in a liberal or social democratic nation, where people there's a strong tendancy to shield the weak. It's though to explain if you haven't experienced the differences first hand, but I'm positive that there are little real obstacles in solving these problems, other then a lack of commitment.
MrMeter 3 years ago
Funny you should put it that way More wars have been fought by us because of that. Don't you guys get it? Iraq's oil goes to Europe not here. And we spend more than anyone's country to help the less fortunate and those in need. Yet we are called the great satan, maybe we should spend more at home and let everyone-else pick up the slack. I for one am tired of it.
smart12day 3 years ago
Which is why I don't want mandatory health insurance like we have for auto insurance. They would stick it to us like you couldn't believe. B.O.H.I.C.A. would be their slogan..... Bend over here it comes again.
smart12day 3 years ago
From a perspective of a United States citizen we have seen what happens in Europe when a political party or personality gains control of a country and it scares the hell out of us. Napoleon,Mussolini,Stalin,Hitler,I think that I personally would like even less interference than we have now. At-least when it comes to personal freedoms.
smart12day 3 years ago
I get your point. However, the oil-trade is per definition profitable to the US, because the dollar is the standard valuta for oil. Whoever buys oil, has to buy dollars first. Then there's peak-oil... Regional control of the middle east is vital to secure future supplies and the US is still one of the biggest oil consumers in the world. Ever wondered why Isreal is sacred to the US government? Well, there's your answer...
MrMeter 3 years ago
As for government control, I think fear off government oppression is easy to justify. However, brutalities like those committed by communist regimes, aren't limited to governments. Before we had oppressive governments we had oppressive religion and before that oppressive monarchies. Crimes against humanity are a result of uncontrolled power, not government control. Truth of this can be found in known succesfull forms of government.
MrMeter 3 years ago
Ironically, in the last few decades corporations have increasingly been found guilty of simular crimes. Crimes that exist through the uncontrolled amount of freedom given to corporations and through the mondial market. Increased government control could actually help to prevent these acts.
MrMeter 3 years ago
Goverment control of society's basic functions that is... Because, there's still the matter of current US government control. Since the Bush administration took to the office, US citizens have been subjected to laws that further limit privacy in the US. The term 'freedom' ussually seems to apply to business.
MrMeter 3 years ago